Fort Vancouver’s Bicentennial: Historic Haunted Houses, Mysteries, & Murder

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Just casually an 80 pound safe that was locked in the weapons vault room in that

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basement with a very secure combination physical key and keypad they said it

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had moved from the other side of the wall so I don't know if they mean that like

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the opposite side of the room or just like down the wall a little bit but

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either way an 80 pound safe in this locked-ass room moved

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Hi Caitlyn! Hi Cassie! Hi creepy people! I don't really care I just hit my

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hand on the desk. I was like I don't know if I heard that in my ears or in you

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know what I mean and my headphones are in. I mean if you guys heard it that's the

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kind of pain that I go through on a daily basis for you so that's so

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weird. Welcome. That was your right elbow. It was my hand. Oh okay I whacked my

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right elbow when I was in my bathroom getting ready I whacked it's soul.

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Furking hard. I thought for you! Yes! I thought you were going to come

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like around the corner and be like "are you okay?" Did you scream? I didn't hear it. I

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didn't hear anything. I thought I must have been so loud I thought for sure you

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were going to. Maybe I'll have water on or something. Yeah I'm sure you didn't

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hear me. I thought I was being louder than probably I really was. Or maybe I

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just think "oh Caitlyn's just in there yelling it's fine." I hear like it's fine. She

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does what she does. She does stuff you know. I never know what she's doing.

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Well if you're new here we don't just talk about how we hurt ourselves for you.

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We also talk about true crime and paranormal in the- I forgot to say our name. We are

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PNW Haunts and Homicides and we also talk about true crime and the paranormal and

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a bunch of other spooky weird stuff in the Pacific Northwest. It's PNW. It's our

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name. PNW if you're nasty! Because it's nasty. So nasty when we whack ourselves for

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you. I know. Speaking of nasty I'm like oh God is the

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bruise already forming? Kind of looks like you have one. Oh it does. Kind of.

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Your elbow is just red like that. Oh no it does kind of look bruised. Okay well

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there you go. Well we did it. And we also do a tarot reading at the end of

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every episode for a little deeper insight into our topic. Is that what we do? Yeah

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so stick around if you're into that. Yeah. Alright. Okay well I have a story for

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you today so it's obviously haunted. Okay. I'm gonna go into it right now. I did

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not make I hate when I do that. I didn't make like a formal start. I was just like

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history. I think that's a very official start. I think we should leave that in. Okay

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history. Well let's talk a little bit about the history of Fort Vancouver. It was

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built in March of 1825 making this their 200th anniversary. Oh yeah. Is that crazy?

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Yeah. So this was originally part of our 200th episode because I was like oh

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200 and we ended up scrapping it and talking about something else that we wanted

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to talk about. Yeah it was wild times here in the pot life that day. That was fun. We

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should do more spontaneous stuff more often. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's gonna work out

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pretty well. I feel like that was a fun topic. I think so too. Hey listen we just go where

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we are guided. Yes and then we have a full ass other episode for another time. Yeah.

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And this is the time and this is the time. So what was originally a British or French

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Canadian bird trading post? I was kind of confused because some of them called it

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British. Some of them called it French Canadian but I think that is it like the same thing?

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Well no but I think it's possible that over time it may be changed like changed hands.

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Oh maybe. I don't know. I didn't like deep dive into this portion of it. Yeah. So I mean

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either way or maybe they both had posts up there. I mean they did have the trading company

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had posts all over the place. So it was British or French Canadian. We don't know. Post.

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You know. All the posts. It is now a 366 acre national historic site. Oh wow. It was

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the PNW base of operations for the Hudson Bay Company. Yeah. For the HPC if you're nice

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if you're nice and they kind of work. Yeah. Yeah. We'll get it get into a little bit of it.

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I don't know. Not to get too political or anything. So they'd move from Fort George and

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Astoria when the sea otter population drastically declined. They were killing them for their

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effort. I had a guess. Yeah. So they moved inland finding a vast beaver population. Oh boy.

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Yes. So then they were into beaver pelt. Beaver fur. Really into those beavers. A beaver fur.

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Am I right? Don't be pulling on other people's beaver fur. Oh my god. That story lives rent-free

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in my mind. Oh god. It has been a long time since I thought about that. I think about

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it every day. It's my Roman empire. And if you don't know what we're talking about, join the

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Patriot. Oh my god. That was so good. Well, it was like mud-wrestling in the rain. Yeah.

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Oh. And beaver. Beaver fur pulling. That's all I'm going to say. Like old tiny and just wild.

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It was like Jerry Springer let loose on the 1930s. So fun. I want to go back and just witness.

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I know in this that wild times. Or be a part of it. Maybe I'll be the beaver pullin. Beaver

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fur pulling. Hussey. I was trying to bitch. I was like, I can't think of another beaver.

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What's another beaver? Anyway. For Vancouver had a rich diverse culture. People coming from

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everywhere to work and to trade. But they also wanted to have peaceful relations with

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the indigenous people that were already living there. So they made efforts to employ and be

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friends of them. Okay. You've been encouraging their employees to marry Native women to establish

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kinship, hoping to break down any trade barriers. Interesting. Okay. Okay. I was like, that sounds

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nice. Right. And then that last part though, I was like, well, I don't know. And then there's

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kind of this flip side to that where it might be obvious to other people knowing some of the

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history. But it wasn't really to me at first until I read this quote from Fort Vancouver's

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chief trader, Dr. John McLaughlin. Oh, my sound familiar to you guys. I'll tell you in a second.

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Yeah. Because we talked about him before. We have his quote. It is proved by experience that the

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only way to gain the confidence of Indians, that's what they called him, which is actually probably

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better than what a lot of people were right. Yeah. And keep in mind, this is not an American trading

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post at this point. It's the British French Canadian. Yeah. He says quote, it is proved by experience

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that the only way to gain the confidence of Indians and influence over them is by having

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establishments on their lands. Okay. So like that to me, the part influenced over them, it kind of just,

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it feels like it feels icky. Yeah. That's literally what I wrote. It gives me the ick. Like they're basically

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just being nice so that they can take their things without an uprising is kind of what it sounded like to me.

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Yeah, that's the vibe. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Like encouraging their employees to marry

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a native woman. Just I don't know. I don't know. Encouraging sounds ick again icky to me. Yeah. I mean,

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I know that colonizing was a popular pastime amongst white men of the time, but really colonizing

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female thought, well, why am I surprised? I know. I mean, I know it's what happened. It's just

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interesting to just like see it all and see these people quotes. Yeah. Talking about it. Yeah. So.

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Yeah. It's just kind of icky. It's like, I don't know. I don't know. Is that better than just like coming in

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and killing everyone? Because they're going to come in and take it either way. I mean, I guess that

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maybe there's some truth to that. I mean, not to be an apology. Right. No. But it's just so sad.

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Hopefully there's like a grain of like wanting, like you said, to sort of like establish

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good relationship. Yeah. Keep it a peaceful place and not have people. Yeah. Yeah. So. I mean, we all know what

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happened, but okay. So quickly about Dr. John McLaughlin. So we talked about him way back in

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episode 44. Holy shit. I know about the McLaughlin house hauntings. And so he is known as the father

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of Oregon. And we didn't really go into it in that episode. But this is an official title given to

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him by the Oregon Legislative Assembly in 1957. Okay. He has a statue and everything. Yeah. He does.

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And many things in Oregon are named after him. Schools. A boulevard. A bridge. A mountain. I think we

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talked about the mountain lots of stuff. Lots of stuff. And he was known as the father of Oregon because

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he provided aid to many of its settlers. Oh. Yeah. Okay. Also, this is so random. But I love the word

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boulevard. I do too. I don't know why. Yeah. It's just satisfying to look at and say boulevard. Yeah.

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Above. Yeah. Listen, I don't know. Not to be like elitist about it or anything. And I, you know,

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but boulevard sounds way cooler than just like street. Yeah. Yeah. Come to think of it. I think for a lot

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of my life, I've lived on like a lane or a parkway or a court. I like court too.

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Court sounds like, you know, I'm the queen of my court. I know.

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Caitlin, the clip, clip, clip, clip. A court. Such and such. Two people who just live in apartments are

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dreaming about living on streets someday. One day. We'll live together in a compound

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and have tunnels. I was going to say, where do you think, I mean, do we establish the compound on

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like a parkway? I think boulevard. I think we make up our own. Yeah. I don't know what it would be,

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but we're gonna make up our own. Okay. We'll workshop it and get back to you. Okay. Anyway. Any

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who's old. Any who's old. Everything changed in the late 1940s. The army came in to the post and

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kind of just started taking things over. They eventually took like so much over that the post wasn't

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getting any business really anymore. And they swooped them out of there basically. Okay. So,

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yeah, they just took it over and put it right on the business. This is ours now. Thanks.

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Okay. Thanks. Bye. Which like you kind of just did that to the Native American people, but, you know,

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this probably wasn't as nice. They probably weren't as encouraging of nice relations. Yeah, maybe not.

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Yeah. Yeah. They were busy, you know, trying to do what is it? Establish the border, I think,

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is that was like their main goal. Well, you said 1940. It was the late. I think it was like 18,

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you know, 18, like 49. Oh, I was like 40s. Again, we're going back to my role, right? Which is, you know,

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as we know, World War II. Yeah. Not quite there yet. Okay. 1840s. 1840s. I mean, far less interesting to me,

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but I'm, I'll hear you out. I was a dick thing. Just like I'm interested in it.

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They even allegedly took over. Actually, I don't even think it's allegedly. They like took over some

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of the colonial graveyard they had going on there. And we'll kind of get into some of that later,

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but they put like a parade field, a housing area. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like just over top of it.

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They dug up some of them. Oh, we're going to get to the rest of that at the very end. Okay, great.

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I'm just going to go ahead and I mean, I feel like that's such a big theme with, with, we'll talk

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about it later. We'll talk about it later. Right. Well, here in preparation, I have gone ahead and

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scooted, scoot, scoot, scoot. Fort Vancouver was an active military institution for 150 years

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and was very significant in settling the PNW. PNW. Pacific Northwest. Wow. Pacific Northwest.

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Nice to wear. Oh boy. Yeah. This is a quote from their site. And I just wanted to read it because

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I love now that a lot of places are really acknowledging the past and how it affected people

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in good and also some very awful ways. Yeah. So we can celebrate these kinds of historical milestones,

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but also have respect and remembrance for the lives that it negatively affected. Yeah, just,

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I feel like more transparency. Yeah. With their good or bad, just, you know, like this is really what

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happened. Right. Whitewash fucking everything forever. Just be factual. That's okay. Yeah. Yeah.

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So we're starting to get there. So their website says quote, March 19th, 2025, marks the 200th

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anniversary of Fort Vancouver on March 19th, 1825. Okay. In this year, we honor the indigenous people

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who have cared for this land since time in memorial. Remember the far reaching effects of the

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fur trade centered out Fort Vancouver and stride forward to a new century of storytelling.

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I like it. So I'm like, they're they're working on things and their website has like a ton of

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historical information on it. Like, yeah, that's so cool. This is coming out 318. So that means

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tomorrow is their 200th anniversary. Yeah. Pretty cool. Pretty cool how that worked out. I think so.

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Kim Nason, you photos. So we're going to go on and talk about some of these houses that are

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just gorgeous on Fort Vancouver. And this is known as officers row. It consists of 21 Victorian

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mansions, Victorian again. Listen, okay. I just have a major real estate boner. Right. I know. That's

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why I say I've shown you pictures. This is a row of 21 Victorian mansions originally built for

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military families. They fell into disrepair when the military was no longer stationing people there.

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But they were listed on the national list of historic places and were renovated. So now they're

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rented out as townhouses and business offices. And they are just gorgeous. They look like Victorian

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homes. Do you want to describe them? I mean, well, I'm trying to scroll through down. Yeah. I think

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it's like the top one is what most of those 21 houses look like. I feel like they look really big

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for just like military families to live in. And it does have it looks like maybe not a wrap around

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porch, but like a really big porch. And then one of those like turret things. Is that what is called a

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turret? I don't know if that would be called a tur- I mean, could be that almost looks more like

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like a bell tower. Yeah. But I feel like they kind of similar thing. I don't know. It has a tower

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on it. It's freaking good. It's a tower. It's Victorian. You guys know what that look is. Yeah. You'll

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see it. They're so pretty. There's 21 of those that they like re-re-renovated. They renovated.

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Re-renovated. And there are a bunch of other really gorgeous homes. We'll talk about at least one

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one other one down here. But we all know what happens and things get renovated. Oh, shit. Why

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put my foot down? Okay. So paranormal activity obviously picks up. And oh, I forgot about this part.

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Oh, and this is some of the housing that I referred to earlier where they might be on top of some

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of those colonial graves. Okay. Whoa. Okay. Just just kidding about my thoughts of maybe relocating.

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Yeah, I don't know if you want to live in these. No. They sound pretty haunted. So in some of the

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homes, people have felt cold spots, which I'm feeling right now. I am a walking cold spot.

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Doors open and closing, opening and closing, but steps. People even have even felt a phantom

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touch. I don't like that. Yeah, especially since you have been phantom touched. Yeah.

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Careful. Fones will ring even when they're unplugged because I'm like, phones ring. Okay. But like,

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if you want, they're the old phone. They're not cell phones. Okay. They're like landlines plugged

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into the wall. They have to have power. Yeah. They're not battery operated. Okay. I don't like that.

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And I guess the coffee seems to go missing from the coffee pot, which I'm like really offended by.

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I think that's kind of funny. It is. I don't know. I guess you know like what to leave as an offering

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for them. That's true. Just make a little extra coffee in your pot. Honestly, I feel like that would be

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one of those things that I might not notice for like a long time, but then Chris, the OCD to my

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ADHD would be like, I know exactly how much coffee there was. And that would be the thing that would

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make him start to question. It's going on in this house. Where's the coffee going? The coffee going.

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It's not like me where I forget that I've already had two cups and I'm like, wait, where'd all the coffee go?

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Why is it going? I drink it. That's where it's gone. That can happen. That can happen. That has

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happened to me. Have you ever done that though? Were you like go to like reach for that you're

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drinking or like the last of your food and you look down to the god? I eat it all. I don't know if that's

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some like disorder eating shit or something. Well, then I'm not going to say one more. I was going to say

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never mind. Okay. I was going to say I feel like that frequently happens when I look down at like

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my wine glass. I don't want to be. It's like I have a hauler shirt right there. Well, that's what I'm

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makes it sound really bad. No, I think it's more just like an ADHD type of thing where you're like

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your focus is on yeah, your focus is on something else whether it's like TV or whatever you're doing

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and you're just like absentmindedly eating or drinking and then all of a sudden it's come by by.

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Yeah. Anybody who knows me knows that I've never been known to do one single thing at a time.

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No, impossible. Yeah. So this house is the oldest house in officers row and it is the grant house built

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in 1949 as the first commanding officers quarters of Ulysses S. Grant. But granted and actually lived there.

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It's okay too excited. I guess they just built in my house and was like you can stay here if you want

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and then he was like no, I don't really care. I got a bigger house somewhere else. Yeah. Which is like he

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did live in another house somewhere else. All right, well, you know, they used the building as an

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officers club and residents for high ranking visiting officials. It has beautiful wrap around covered

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verandas on the first and the second floor. Oh, I'm sorry. Wrap around covered verandas. Oh,

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I'm here for that. I'm I always want like a second floor like balcony. Yeah, it's goals in life.

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It doesn't have to be a wraparound, but I mean, that would be great. Yeah. That'd be really awesome.

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Today it is the Grant House Folk Art Center and Grant House restaurant. Oh, yeah.

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So I don't so people don't live there anymore. It's just like an art museum type of thing in a restaurant.

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Okay, but we could go and eat there and just pretend that we live there. Maybe. I don't know what

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the rooms look like. I don't know if they have like beds and shit. Well, it doesn't matter. We're

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just pretending. Well, we'll see if you still want to go there after this. Oh, okay.

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I forgot. I forgot what day it was. What we were talking about. We forgot that Cassie is literally

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ruining every cool thing that ever happened in the Pacific Northwest. You said it. You said it.

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I'm nasty. You're nasty. There's a known spirit at the restaurant named Sully. And that is a real

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person general general Alfred Sully commander of Vancouver Barracks from 1874 to 1879. So I guess

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five years. I was thinking of a different Sully and I was like, I don't think he's a ghost. Not

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a Tom Higgs. Yeah. It's not Tom Higgs. I was thinking about my movies right. Okay. Yeah. You nailed it.

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I've never even seen that movie. Yeah. I think you. Yeah. The guy who landed the plane on the way. Yeah.

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Yeah. They hit the Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise. No, Tom Cruise would have had to have made up some sort of

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a scene where he jumped out of the plane if he hopefully landed on something pokey.

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Allegedly. People in the restaurant get a strange sense of his presence and get the feeling that he's

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supervising. Oh, yeah. Okay. People here and see. Okay. Oh, him. It says his. It's supposed to him. Oh,

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people here and see him pacing the halls. Okay. I was like, see his what pace at all. His balls.

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Out on the verandas, people have seen a tall man in a long old-fashioned coat with a beard.

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And I don't know if that's solely or somebody else, but I Google pictures of him and he does have a beard.

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So it could be him. Came in to ask you the question that I think everybody wants to know. See,

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hot. Yeah. Was he hot? I don't remember. I just googled. I literally just googled to see if he had a beard.

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Let's let's Google him again. I mean, he has a beard. So I'm just going to assume that you thought he

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was hot. I don't know. I feel like a lot of like old tiny military men aren't my thing. You know,

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interesting. No, it was not the kind of beard that I not that not the hotness. It was just like a must-stack.

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Oh, like that. Like the handlebar type situation or that and a small beard, like a pointy one and

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then nothing on the side. I like a full. Yeah, you're it's a lumberjack look for you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Okay. Okay. Well, listen, I ask the hard-hitting questions. She does. She is a journalist.

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Okay. Let's move on to the barracks. So building 993 as of 2013 at least is occupied by the

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Washington Army National Guard. Oh, so they still kind of use this place. This was 2013. So up to

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2025. I'm not sure if they are still using it. Okay. Yeah. But people say the building has just like

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a general creepy vibe. Cool. Just in general. But especially the basement of the West Wing.

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People get strong feelings of someone watching them like enough to where you actually turn around

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because you keep like thinking somebody is there. I don't like that either. I've only felt like

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that like a couple of times in my life and it's very uncomfortable. You've only felt like that a

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couple of times in your life. I told you things don't happen to me. We are living such different lives.

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And I really can only think of the one time. I can't even think of the second time where this

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apparently has happened to me. I can only think of one time. And I was like cleaning a house and I

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so uncomfortable. I know clue what was in that house, but it's very uncomfortable. That is

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crazy. Yeah. They cleaned tons of houses. And I clean creepy houses that don't even phase me. I clean

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a haunted house where the TV kept turning on. It didn't even like it didn't feel creepy. But that

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house for some reason is so weird. And it was just like a normal townhouse. I could attach to other

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houses like so strange. Yeah. I've literally had that feeling like more than once in the same day.

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So you're gonna say yeah right now. I mean no not specifically. Are you sure like it's not your

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dog watching you? That creature. Using with her back turned you to nose buried in the couch.

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She is like so passed out. Well we'll have to come back to this and you'll have to tell us all

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of your stories about when you felt like you were being watched. Some of them are just such small

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little things. It's like it barely even feels like there's a story there because you just like

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get that creepy feel. Yeah. I don't know. But it is a thing like people just get creepy vibes places

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and this is one of them. Okay. There's a lot of stories of stuff moving around unexplainably.

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Like big stuff. Okay. I was gonna say because I feel like I forget where I put things all the time.

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And it's really hard to like not feel like you're crazy. Yeah. You like just lose stuff in your own

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home. Which I do all the time. But this is like big stuff. So. Okay. Someone cleaning the floor said

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stack chairs up against one wall. And when they came back after the weekend they found that the

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chairs were against the inside door blocking the door from opening. Oh shit. Right. I don't know if

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they asked if anyone was in there. I imagine they'd asked around and you know seen if anyone else

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was in there. But why would someone stack them against the door? Right. And how? I feel like

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yeah. Kind of the question like didn't they leave the room? Right. And maybe there's two entrances

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to the room. I had to have been right. I'm not 100% sure. It didn't really say. But that's very

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curious if there was only one door into that place. And then. But like they climbed out a window.

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Yeah. What the hell? But also it was over the weekend. So like no one would be there working or

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cleaning. And this place isn't it's not like a bustling military place anymore. It's just like

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there's some offices here and there. Some people who live there. But it's not like constantly being

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cleaned or like having people in these buildings. So I don't know that there would be really someone

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there on the weekend moving chairs around. Yeah. That doesn't seem the one thing I could see.

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And this is more just like out on a limb here. I feel like this seems like a almost like a

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ferris-bueller type thing where like they come. Yes. Yeah. This seems like could be like a teenage

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prank. Right. Where literally they go and they stack all the chairs and like block the door.

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And then they claim out the window because they're like I'm a fucking teenager and I don't care.

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I'll jump out the window. That's just kind of how would they get in? I don't know if there's a

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security system. I don't. But I mean that's a little bit of a stretch. Yeah. I mean it's possible.

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But it's still weird either way. It is very weird. Yeah. I feel like that almost speaks to like an

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energy of weirdness that like convinced a group of teenagers. If it was a group of teenagers that

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did it. Yeah. Like what's what's driving them to? Right. Because that's a weird prank. Yeah.

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To just put chairs in front of the door. Oh it's weird. You think they would do more stuff.

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Like toilet paper in the inside. Yeah. Yeah. Unless they heard it was haunted and they're like let's

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just do some weird stuff and make them think it was go make the cleaner. Think of his ghost.

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Like why do they care if the janitor thinks there's ghosts? Yeah. It's kind of weird. Yeah.

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And they just specifically say that they walked the room. They do say room.

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So I'm like I'm thinking this is just like one room and not like why would it have multiple

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entrances? Well I mean I guess it depends on like the size of the room. Like if it was like a large

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like common area space of a building. Yeah. Maybe. I don't know. But I'm also like I don't know if they

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locked it up. It's just odd. But it gets weirder. Okay. It gets weirder. So just casually an 80 pound safe

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that was locked in the weapons vault room in that basement with a very secure combination physical

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key and key pad. Okay. They said it had moved from the other side of the wall. So I don't know if they

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mean that like the opposite side of the room or just like down the wall a little bit. But either way

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an 80 pound safe in this locked ass room. Okay. Moved. Okay. Whether it was like across the room or

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just down the wall. That's weird. I'm gonna grab this instead because if I keep going this way

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I'm going to end this episode uh bald. Yeah. No. Like the hair touching thing is one of my it's a very

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like self-saving thing for me. But I'm gonna switch to the rock. That I don't know. That just makes me

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think the chair thing is even more weird because like this room is so locked. No teenagers are

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breaking into this room. Okay. Yeah. That all right. Well. Yeah. Key. Key code. It's the it's their

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weapons vault. So that's not like I'm sure it has alarms on it. Like it's not um secure. So that's

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weird. All right. Well that was that was sort of a like I said that was a little bit of a of a reach.

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You're gonna love this one too. Okay. Great. So the fire alarm has a mind of its own constantly beeping

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at odd times and maintenance has been unable to figure out why someone working in the building said

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it almost felt as if the alarm was like messing with him. Like it would beep when his back was turned

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in with stop when he went into the direction of the basement. So I felt like it was like trying to like

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like hot or cold like beep beep beep don't come over here and then like you're going over that way

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it stops annoying you. You know like when you've got a gas lighting ghost like that one time where

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my AirPods were just like missing and then all of a sudden they were like in plain sight.

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So this is when we were on the trip with Christina. Yeah. And I had the weirdness of like oh I felt

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something cold and then it felt like almost like we thought it was maybe the cat. Right. The cat

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goes into a touch. Yeah. And then I think it was that next morning when we were on that trip that

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I couldn't find my AirPods and I was like they fall out in my sleep all the time all the time.

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I mean that's normal like they I if you thrash right move around in your sleep like I do. Of course

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they're going to fall out you know and they were in the bed but I had already done like a sweep

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of the whole bed and yeah. I don't like that. Have you ever had your AirPods fall out and you

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think it's like a spider? I did that one time I fully smack myself in the face because it like

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kind of trickled out of my ear and then down my neck and I was like spider I woke up and I hit myself

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and it was just my AirPods falling out of my ear. Honestly I think a spider is touching me at probably

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at least once a week and more often than not it's my own hair. Same. I feel like that's why

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someday something actually serious might happen to me and Chris will be like. It's probably fine.

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I like the boy who crawled. Criled world. Oh gosh. You're the girl who cried spider.

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And the girl who cried spider. I mean better safe than sorry. Yes. Absolutely.

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Okay so we're going to move on to another building. 647.

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Doors left close and locked will be found open. You're just so care about locks.

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They have a boundary issues. They really do. They need to be set straight. I think so. Yeah. One night

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a custodian placed tape over the door to check for tampering which is like very smart. Is that it?

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Is someone fucking with me? Let's put tape on the door. In the next day the door was found unlocked.

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The tape was not broken. So riddle me that. So I'm like I don't know. Did you put tape over

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like the lock part? I'm not sure where he put the tape. Yeah. That's interesting. I'm like could

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you have peeled it off? Right. Like someone put the tape back. I don't know. Oh they put new tape

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or I don't know. Maybe. Yeah. If they just like put tape over like the lock part where you put the key.

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Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. But who brings tape with them when they're breaking it somewhere?

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It's just part of your B&E kit. Great. Now we're giving people hints. You know what you have to do is do

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like what the magicians do and like sign the piece of tape. Oh yeah. And take like a picture of it

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or something. So you have like evidence of what it looked like and maybe make it in a way so no one

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can recreate it or something. Yeah. Yeah. Chris has done that. Could it be smarter than the criminals?

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Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. He's done that with tape or just like something else. I know he's done it with tape.

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I was like does he do close-up magic? No. No. God I wish. You know. So hot. You guys close-up magic.

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So hot right now. I'm gonna save someone where to come do close-up magic for me. I'd probably like

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be into it. If you're gonna show me anything I'm probably into it. I have a problem. Are you just

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like oh you're just paying attention to me? No because I'm just like into any... If someone's really

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excited about something like I get it. I'm like into it. Yeah. And I want you to tell me all about it

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but that doesn't necessarily mean I'm into you. Right. You're just like catching their vibe. Yeah.

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Yeah. I can totally relate to that. Yeah. Although for me it's more about like you're just paying

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attention to me. But anyways in 1904 one of the most modern and efficient military hospitals was

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built soon after World War One hit. Sorry we're still not to World War Two. God. So this is built soon

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after World War One hit and the hospital was overrun with injured soldiers. Yeah that'll happen. Yeah.

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But also took on workers from the areas lumber mills. So oh there could have been some lumber

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decks up in there. I was gonna say famously a lot of injured people in World Wars and also

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I don't know. I don't know. Lumber stuff. You remember bandage man? Sure do. Yeah. Lumber mill guy.

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And they also dealt with a flu epidemic. So they just had a lot of people in there. Yeah that's

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the World War One era. Yeah. I feel like just narnar. During this time the hospital had less than

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400 beds but was treating over 2,550 patients per month. I'm sorry. Need you to say the numbers again?

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The hospital had less than 400 beds. Okay. And was treating over 2,550 patients a month.

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Okay. Yeah. And I thought that was what you said. That doesn't feel like the math maps but I trust you.

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I mean I can't make the I can't make it make sense. Not that all that all those 220

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let's just say 2500. Yeah. But 2500 people were there at the same time. But the amount of turnover.

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Yeah. Yeah. I mean it's insane. And I imagine like especially some of the injured soldiers were there

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for a while in the flu. Yeah. The people with the flu. I don't know. Like it seems like these people

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needed to maybe be it wasn't just like here's a bandaid and a shot and you get to go home. Yeah.

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I feel like famously World War One soldiers. Not a lot of injuries resolved with bandage.

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Yeah. Hot tape. Yeah. Probably not a lot of soldiers at any point in any wars. Yeah.

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At any time. I don't think you go to the hospital for band-aids. Yeah. The post hospital closed in 1946.

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So wait, right in time for World War Two. No more wars. Yeah. No. I mean that's like the baby boomer era.

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Yeah. So I don't know how many people they had been treating at that point. For World War Two,

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I'm not really sure. Yeah. And then it was used for administration until the 90s and has been mostly

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vacant since. Oh. Okay. And obviously going back to the time where they were treating those 2500

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patients per month with only 400 beds. Yeah. Obviously they weren't able to cure all of these people.

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Yeah. I was assuming that with that many people being seen on average each month, probably not

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everybody was living. Oh, yep. Yeah. So they did end up with more bodies than they could fit in the

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morgue. That's not. Unfortunately. Yeah. No. So they apparently had to use whatever available space

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they could, including a shed that was on the property. Oh, no. And the shed was eventually torn down.

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I can't imagine why. I was going to say probably it was condemned for bad vibes. Uh, or I just

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picked like I hate this visual, but I just picked like stacking bodies up against like the walls.

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And then like what is on the wall? I don't know. I don't know if that's how it was. I'm sure that they were.

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It's very of that era. Yeah. Unfortunately. Um, I feel like the stacking of bodies, we hear that

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in a different context typically of that time, but I don't know. They could have been on tables.

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It could have been very proper. And I don't know. I'm just that's the visual I have. And like please

362
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tear the shed down. Right. Yeah. Maybe get that out of here. Um, but no, no grass or anything

363
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would ever grow there again after they tore down the shed. So I feel like just bad dead energy.

364
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Have they tried miracle grow? No, but they, uh, they tried making it into a parking lot, which usually

365
00:40:47,900 --> 00:40:54,140
works for bad vibe areas where things won't grow. I feel like we've heard that before so many times.

366
00:40:54,140 --> 00:40:56,940
Like things won't grow there. Let's just put parking lots fine.

367
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They've paradise, put a parking lot. Yeah. But I mean, if it can't be used for you don't want to put

368
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building there. I feel like parking lots sometimes are just like creepy vibes. Yeah. And that's probably

369
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why. It makes sense. That tracks for me. So there's a man named Jeff Davis that runs tours of Fort

370
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Vancouver, like historical and paranormal tours. And he has several military history and paranormal

371
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books, uh, including weird Washington and weird Oregon, which I had set out on my show when we start.

372
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He's also, of course, done paranormal investigations around Fort Vancouver for all, like in multiple

373
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buildings on Fort Vancouver. And when he did at the post hospital that we just talked about, he experienced

374
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unusual battery drain. So, you know, you start off with like, I was literally just complaining about

375
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this. You start off with a full battery. Yeah. Everything's turned off. You turn it back on and then

376
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it's like completely dead. So yeah. That's like the, that's the only thing that consistently happens

377
00:42:12,540 --> 00:42:19,980
to you. That's, I feel like feels like it could be spooky. Right. And maybe it's just a thing. I don't

378
00:42:19,980 --> 00:42:25,580
know. Is it a thing to fully charge your laptop and then shut it down and then expect to have it

379
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completely charged when you turn it on? Like, what, where does the bad, where does the life go?

380
00:42:30,780 --> 00:42:35,900
Where does the battery go? We don't know. So stuff like that where you know, you pull out a camera

381
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and expect it to be fully charged, right? How you left it and it's dead. And it's super not.

382
00:42:41,340 --> 00:42:50,620
So like the ghosts, uh, theoretically use that energy to manifest and do things. Um, that's the theory

383
00:42:50,620 --> 00:42:57,500
anyway. I like that as theories go. So when he would start to move into the patient's wing, his

384
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camera battery would suddenly die after having a full charge. Oh, so sorry. There was a little bit more

385
00:43:02,460 --> 00:43:09,420
detail on that that I just like talked and talked and didn't even get to. So that is interesting. It

386
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is it wasn't just like when he got there, it was when he moved into the patient's wing that the

387
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full charge just would drain. Yeah, that's interesting. He said he would use the women's restroom

388
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while he was there because I think he said it was like the closest or like maybe it was the only

389
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one working because I don't think the the building was mostly vacant. So I don't know if they have

390
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like multiple working bathrooms or you know, there wasn't like women in and out of there. So it was

391
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just like the closest back, right? And he decided to use it. And he was the only one like taking people

392
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on tours in there. So like everyone knows like he's in the women's bathroom. So yeah, it wasn't like a

393
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creepy thing. But either way, he found that all the toilet seats were up, which I think is pretty normal

394
00:43:57,500 --> 00:44:02,700
for like cleaners to do when you clean that either leave it up or you leave it down. I don't know.

395
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Some cleaners choose to leave it up. Some put it down. And I feel like I always encounter where

396
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they leave it up. Yeah. And I feel like particularly in the women's room, it's kind of like, I don't

397
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know when you clean like an office base or like any sort of a building, I just feel like don't just

398
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put things back the way you found it. Right. Yeah. I don't know. I sort of get it because it's like if

399
00:44:24,220 --> 00:44:28,620
you're leaving it up, that's less of a chance for you to forget to clean it. Like I don't know,

400
00:44:28,620 --> 00:44:33,740
you're going to see that it I guess if you some people I don't know close it and like put the solution

401
00:44:33,740 --> 00:44:39,180
in and close it and then clean the rest. I'm thinking too much about this because I clean houses for

402
00:44:39,180 --> 00:44:45,420
living. Well, it's funny you mentioned that you specifically think that it's odd and you would

403
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like to have it down is what I gather. Yeah. Because he felt like that was weird too. And so he said

404
00:44:52,940 --> 00:45:00,860
being a trained man, his clothes, he went and actually closed them all down because he yes. Yeah,

405
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like assuming his wife or whatever always would want him to put the toilet seats down. So he went

406
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and did it in, you know, having respect for the woman's room, which I think is really nice. I think so.

407
00:45:13,340 --> 00:45:19,740
Are they leaving the toilet seats up in deference to him? Is that like a ghostly thing? They're like,

408
00:45:19,740 --> 00:45:27,020
it's cool. Maybe, maybe because he didn't really think it was a ghostly thing at this point. He probably

409
00:45:27,020 --> 00:45:31,660
assumed what I did and was like, oh, like someone cleaned in here and just didn't put the toilet seats

410
00:45:31,660 --> 00:45:38,140
down. But like all these women are going to come in here and, you know, you like dang it. I got to

411
00:45:38,140 --> 00:45:44,140
put this down myself. I got to touch this thing with my fingers. I always grab a little bit of toilet

412
00:45:44,140 --> 00:45:52,060
paper and then yeah, yeah, yeah, especially because public. Oh, yeah. But he went back up there later

413
00:45:52,060 --> 00:45:58,700
and he found that they were all open again. So like I said, vacant building. He was just, he does

414
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tours in there. Like not a lot of people going through there. I assume they don't clean them

415
00:46:04,620 --> 00:46:09,580
like that frequently that it would happen like twice in one day and that like short amount of time

416
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because it was on this same tour that he would back up there. So I assume it was like within the hour

417
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or within a couple hours. I don't know, but that's kind of weird. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I would say even if

418
00:46:22,220 --> 00:46:28,380
it was like several hours later, that would, yeah, it's weird. It's not being clean like that. Like,

419
00:46:28,380 --> 00:46:35,020
it's not a movie theater or like a grocery store. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. It's not seeing that level of like

420
00:46:35,020 --> 00:46:42,220
turnover. Yeah. On one of these paranormal investigations of the hospital, they attempted to

421
00:46:42,220 --> 00:46:49,340
stay the night outside the morgue, which is now a library, which is I think is really cool.

422
00:46:51,820 --> 00:46:59,180
Love a library. I don't know that I love one that used to be the site of a morgue. I don't care for

423
00:46:59,180 --> 00:47:07,100
that. I want that. I want to go read books inside of an old morgue. I feel, I feel like you and I

424
00:47:07,100 --> 00:47:14,220
just have a very different experience in, in those environments. I don't think I would be able to focus

425
00:47:14,220 --> 00:47:21,260
on reading. Yeah. Maybe you really can feel what's tickling my neck. My God. There would be something

426
00:47:21,260 --> 00:47:30,140
that could be somebody's old lighthouse cat or, yeah, I don't know. I think I meant to say, I said,

427
00:47:30,140 --> 00:47:35,500
they attempted to stay the night outside the morgue and they wanted to stay the night inside the morgue,

428
00:47:35,500 --> 00:47:41,260
but they couldn't because it was locked. So they ended up sleeping right outside of it or trying

429
00:47:41,260 --> 00:47:47,900
to sleep, but they woke up and they heard kind of like a squeaking sound and realized it was one of the

430
00:47:47,900 --> 00:47:56,540
tables rocking. So they left. They didn't stay the night. Yeah, you feel like if the table starts

431
00:47:56,540 --> 00:48:01,020
rocking like, and I don't know like what kind of table it was. I don't know if it's just like a

432
00:48:01,020 --> 00:48:06,540
regular table or if it was like a surgical table or like an operating table, I'm not really sure

433
00:48:06,540 --> 00:48:13,500
because it's a hospital. But either way, a table like rocking on its own when nothing else around

434
00:48:13,500 --> 00:48:19,900
it is like squeaking and moving. I would probably stay the night because I want more stuff to have

435
00:48:19,900 --> 00:48:24,140
them, but I don't know if that happened right in front of me, I'd probably, I don't know, I would

436
00:48:24,140 --> 00:48:31,900
maybe scream and run away. Yeah, I think I think that's where I lean. In case anyone was wondering

437
00:48:31,900 --> 00:48:37,580
somehow that. Yeah. It also reminded me of, I don't know if you remember Ben's story from

438
00:48:38,780 --> 00:48:45,180
places for a gotten episode and he heard like pounding on an embalming table, it kind of reminded me of

439
00:48:45,180 --> 00:48:51,820
that. Like what's out there pounding and like moving tables around. I don't like that. Okay, and

440
00:48:51,820 --> 00:48:58,700
actually that kind of like connects those two stories in a weird way. Yeah. I mean, it's a morgue.

441
00:48:58,700 --> 00:49:05,820
Do you think like the energy gets like absorbed into the table? Maybe. Oh god.

442
00:49:06,620 --> 00:49:11,820
Do you think there's not a lot of energy if it's like if it's deceased people

443
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laying on it? Like how much energy do they even have left? Maybe it absorbs like their last, I

444
00:49:18,860 --> 00:49:25,660
don't know. I'm totally just like rambling about absorbed energy here. Well, I'm just saying like all

445
00:49:25,660 --> 00:49:31,020
of that energy that we're talking about with any sort of a haunt. It's a deceased person. So like,

446
00:49:31,020 --> 00:49:37,580
yeah, I feel like, I don't know. I think I just invalidated your whole argument. Who? No, I mean nobody

447
00:49:37,580 --> 00:49:43,820
knows. Like, yeah, it could be anything. So also something really strange happened. They had very

448
00:49:43,820 --> 00:49:50,620
specifically synced their watches to the car clock before they started their investigation before

449
00:49:50,620 --> 00:49:55,580
they left the car and went into the hospital. Okay. And when they got back to the car, neither of their

450
00:49:55,580 --> 00:50:03,660
watches match the car or each other, which I feel like isn't that weird because my car clock, I don't

451
00:50:03,660 --> 00:50:09,660
know, it goes wonky all the time. But the watches do that kind of thing. You think they would at least

452
00:50:09,660 --> 00:50:17,340
match each other or maybe. Yeah, I feel like if it's got to match something. Okay. Because if all three

453
00:50:17,340 --> 00:50:25,340
were synced, the fact that there two watches don't even match. Yeah. I don't I that actually, I feel

454
00:50:25,340 --> 00:50:30,860
like that's freakier. Yeah. I don't know. If one of their watches like didn't match the car, I'd be like

455
00:50:30,860 --> 00:50:35,340
that's that's kind of a nothing burger. But the fact that it doesn't match the car, they don't match

456
00:50:35,340 --> 00:50:39,980
each other. I don't know. And it was like, wasn't even 24 hours later, you know? Like they had

457
00:50:39,980 --> 00:50:45,820
been in an investigation, tried to say the night and left. So I feel like it would take a lot more time

458
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for it to be off by that much. Well, that's what I'm saying. Like, I feel like you don't have to,

459
00:50:53,260 --> 00:50:59,020
I don't think you have to like sync up or like maintenance your watch that much. I don't, I don't

460
00:50:59,020 --> 00:51:05,180
literally don't even own a watch. So what do I know? Yeah. Me neither. That's what phones are for.

461
00:51:05,180 --> 00:51:09,980
Okay. So I told you we would come back to the cemetery. Are you excited?

462
00:51:09,980 --> 00:51:17,740
We should be because this is kind of cool. So okay. Like a lot of really old graves, a lot of the

463
00:51:17,740 --> 00:51:25,340
markers were wooden. So they totally degraded with time. They did not keep up. And graves were also

464
00:51:25,340 --> 00:51:34,140
moved to another location. So some people were dug up and relocated. Whoever they could find.

465
00:51:34,140 --> 00:51:39,900
Oh, I don't like that. But I'm sure. No. And inevitably somewhere left behind. Yeah. They're not

466
00:51:39,900 --> 00:51:47,260
finding every, yeah, they're not they're not finding everybody. And that I don't know. It's really

467
00:51:47,260 --> 00:51:53,260
sad. But like, what are you going to do if you have to, it's not like your fault if you have to move

468
00:51:53,260 --> 00:52:02,780
them that they didn't have grave markers. You know, you know, I just feel like I'm very anti-relocating

469
00:52:02,780 --> 00:52:10,300
entire cemeteries. So even a lot of the people that they did end up moving since their graves,

470
00:52:10,300 --> 00:52:14,620
their markers weren't there. So that now they're just marked unknown because they still

471
00:52:15,260 --> 00:52:20,300
didn't know who they were, you know, but at least they have an unknown marker. But

472
00:52:20,300 --> 00:52:31,660
okay, listen, as a currently alive person, I feel like that might be upsetting to the dead.

473
00:52:31,660 --> 00:52:38,220
Yeah. I mean, I like to think they don't care too much about like what happens back on Earth

474
00:52:38,220 --> 00:52:43,660
because they're not here anymore. I mean, it is just sad to have like that unknown status or

475
00:52:43,660 --> 00:52:50,300
character. No, I feel like it doesn't even, it's not even about like, oh, what's happening on Earth

476
00:52:50,300 --> 00:52:57,020
or, you know, with anything going on down here. I just feel like that's so, I don't know,

477
00:52:57,020 --> 00:53:03,900
that feels icky and dismissive. I realize, you know, this is not like the first time that this has

478
00:53:03,900 --> 00:53:11,180
happened. It's not a unique situation, but I just feel like that it doesn't, it's never good.

479
00:53:11,660 --> 00:53:15,020
It's never good when that happens. It's never good. I don't know.

480
00:53:15,020 --> 00:53:22,140
Hopefully nowadays we're better at keeping records than like this kind of stuff won't happen too

481
00:53:22,140 --> 00:53:26,380
often, but I mean, I'm sure it still does. I mean, they're like, it's gonna go away completely.

482
00:53:26,380 --> 00:53:34,460
I know, no, because there's the element of human error. I was listening to a story about babies

483
00:53:34,460 --> 00:53:40,140
that were switched in the hospital. Oh, yeah, which scary. Yeah, which you think, oh, well, that

484
00:53:40,140 --> 00:53:45,500
probably is from like the 1950s, right? And the one that I was listening to more recently was like

485
00:53:45,500 --> 00:53:54,300
the early 2000s. Oh, God. Can you imagine? Can you imagine? No. I can't imagine having a kid. Well,

486
00:53:54,300 --> 00:54:01,100
I mean, having it switched, you know, but after you get passed up, first hurdle, you know, yeah. Oh,

487
00:54:01,100 --> 00:54:08,860
my God, no, that's awful for everyone involved. Yeah, everyone. Herendisk. Anyway, well,

488
00:54:08,860 --> 00:54:18,460
hopefully that doesn't happen to any of you. One grave site that they have lost track of over time

489
00:54:18,460 --> 00:54:27,500
is John McLaughlin, Jr. So yeah, that is the son of Dr. John McLaughlin, who we talked about earlier

490
00:54:27,500 --> 00:54:33,820
in the episode. That feels like kind of an important person to have just like loss. Yeah, I

491
00:54:33,820 --> 00:54:41,900
realized he's already dead, but like, go in. And I'm not sure the circumstances on why it was

492
00:54:41,900 --> 00:54:46,060
last, but I'll go through and I'll tell you a little bit of information and we can maybe discuss

493
00:54:46,060 --> 00:54:53,340
after all righty. So John, Jr. was also a chief trader for the Hudson's Bay Company, like his

494
00:54:53,340 --> 00:55:04,620
father, but at Fort Staiqin in Alaska, which is present day, Wrangle Alaska. Oh, and he was actually

495
00:55:04,620 --> 00:55:15,660
murdered by his employees who claimed self-defense. Yeah, it's kind of crazy. Okay. So when I was reading

496
00:55:15,660 --> 00:55:21,820
about Dr. John McLaughlin, they say that he left Hudson's Bay Company for personal reasons.

497
00:55:22,700 --> 00:55:30,140
And this was the personal reasons. I was going to say that feels pretty personal. Yeah, it sounds

498
00:55:30,140 --> 00:55:37,340
like quite the scandal. The company's governor did an investigation and found John to have been in a

499
00:55:37,340 --> 00:55:46,220
drunken rage and justified his murder. Oh, wow. Okay. So there was obviously going to be tension

500
00:55:46,220 --> 00:55:55,100
between the company's governor and one of the post chief traders. Oh my gosh. Yeah, that would,

501
00:55:55,100 --> 00:56:02,620
that would do it. That would cause some problems. Yeah, totally. I feel like in that era was everyone

502
00:56:02,620 --> 00:56:11,740
not just constantly in a drunken rage, though. Like I feel like. I mean, this is what I mean,

503
00:56:12,460 --> 00:56:18,620
to steal a phrase, people are still shitting in the streets and they're drinking alcohol instead of

504
00:56:18,620 --> 00:56:26,380
water because it's safer. Yeah. So I guess I don't know. Like does it excuse you? Like attack? They say

505
00:56:26,380 --> 00:56:32,860
like he came and like attacked and like drunkenly. I don't know. So he was the aggressor. That's what they

506
00:56:32,860 --> 00:56:41,420
say. Yeah. Okay. Okay. And I don't know how many of them, but there were multiple employees.

507
00:56:41,420 --> 00:56:48,620
Some like, but you all had to overpower him. Could you not just like tie him up for something?

508
00:56:48,620 --> 00:56:53,820
Like I don't know. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Maybe just eliminate the threat. Restrain him. Yeah.

509
00:56:53,820 --> 00:57:01,100
So I don't know how good of an investigation this person did. But his father was not pleased with

510
00:57:01,100 --> 00:57:06,780
that outcome. And he left the company less than a year later. So I mean, that was like clearly why.

511
00:57:08,220 --> 00:57:17,180
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. Oh, uh, now I want to look into it. I know. Yeah. Maybe you can find out

512
00:57:17,180 --> 00:57:21,900
more because I just read like one of the articles on it. Yeah. I would love to hear more about that

513
00:57:21,900 --> 00:57:29,820
if you if you can't. Oh my gosh. She was only 29. Cheap trader though. A little bit of...

514
00:57:29,820 --> 00:57:34,300
I was going to say nepo, baby. Is that my right? Yeah. You know,

515
00:57:36,380 --> 00:57:45,980
you're not the president. Okay. So well, that's the end of my story. But I do have one

516
00:57:45,980 --> 00:57:53,500
semi-ghosty, spooky story I wanted to read for Patreon because I didn't want to summarize it.

517
00:57:53,500 --> 00:57:59,580
I just wanted to read the entire thing. So we're going to move on to tarot for Fort Vancouver.

518
00:57:59,580 --> 00:58:05,100
And I brought my Krodeck because I don't know. I was just feeling it. I mean, is there really a time

519
00:58:05,100 --> 00:58:09,660
that you're not feeling the Krodeck? Not really. Yeah.

520
00:58:09,660 --> 00:58:22,380
We're going to try not to drop all the cards today. Okay. Where do you think?

521
00:58:22,380 --> 00:58:30,060
I feel like where your ring finger is. Like in that neighborhood somewhere. Yeah.

522
00:58:30,060 --> 00:58:33,420
I'm thinking like what a ring finger looks like. How dare you?

523
00:58:34,620 --> 00:58:39,740
I'm asking because it's technically not my ring finger because it's on my right hand. But

524
00:58:39,740 --> 00:58:47,340
it's still a ring finger. It's my self-ring finger. Yeah. That it's like people buy themselves right hand

525
00:58:47,340 --> 00:58:56,780
rings. Okay. Ooh. We got the Hierophant in reverse. Ooh. Which is interesting because immediately

526
00:58:56,780 --> 00:59:03,660
I see a key on it. And I remember like all of those doors that were locking and unlocking.

527
00:59:03,980 --> 00:59:10,620
And like, or not they were being left locked and they were being found unlocked. And even the person

528
00:59:10,620 --> 00:59:15,420
put like tape on one of the doors to make like make sure it wasn't being tampered with. So that's

529
00:59:15,420 --> 00:59:22,140
interesting that I see like a key. But it was in reverse. And it looks like they're in like a chapel

530
00:59:22,140 --> 00:59:29,900
or something with like stained glass. We'll post we always post pictures on our Instagram or you

531
00:59:29,900 --> 00:59:37,980
can see it in our Patreon or YouTube videos. Patrons always add free just FYI in case you guys forgot.

532
00:59:37,980 --> 00:59:43,820
Just in case you're wondering. Link in the show now. Shame on me.

533
00:59:43,820 --> 00:59:55,580
So our keywords are spiritual authority, leadership, tradition and institutions.

534
00:59:55,580 --> 01:00:01,900
I feel like institutions like military. Yeah. I mean, wow. I mean,

535
01:00:01,900 --> 01:00:10,060
there's a number of different types and I guess ways to interpret institutions. Yeah.

536
01:00:10,060 --> 01:00:19,100
Like the mental variety. Instituations like of our government, like the military, hospital.

537
01:00:21,100 --> 01:00:25,900
Yeah, I feel like that kind of applies in maybe a few different ways.

538
01:00:25,900 --> 01:00:34,380
The hyrophens is a figure of authority and power. I mean, that says military over the place.

539
01:00:34,380 --> 01:00:41,660
Like the emperor, but the hyrophens power is of a spiritual nature. So I feel like that's pretty.

540
01:00:41,660 --> 01:00:48,940
I'm digging this card so far for this application. Yeah. I'm just going to say it is like a very

541
01:00:48,940 --> 01:00:56,060
religious card. I feel like it's like the most religious type of cards.

542
01:00:56,060 --> 01:01:02,700
Often he's shown as a religious leader and some decks call him the pulp. Interesting.

543
01:01:02,700 --> 01:01:09,420
Sometimes he's seated on a throne dressed in priestly garb, crowned and holding a scepter.

544
01:01:09,420 --> 01:01:14,460
In the right or right Smith deck, acolytes stand before him,

545
01:01:15,180 --> 01:01:22,140
deferring to his wisdom as a representative of religious authority. He may represent a person

546
01:01:22,140 --> 01:01:28,700
who's dedicated to a religion or philosophy or he can indicate that you're trying to break away

547
01:01:28,700 --> 01:01:36,300
from religious influence or dictates. In a broad sense, this card can refer to any organized

548
01:01:36,300 --> 01:01:43,660
institution religious or otherwise that exerts authority over its followers. But like is screaming

549
01:01:43,660 --> 01:01:51,100
in the very beginning where I talked about Dr. John McLaughlin wanting to have peaceful

550
01:01:51,100 --> 01:01:57,820
relations with the indigenous people. And that quote that I read where he said it is proved by

551
01:01:57,820 --> 01:02:04,620
experience that the only way to gain the confidence of Indians and have influence over them

552
01:02:04,620 --> 01:02:11,340
is by having establishments on their land. So like building institutions on their land and having

553
01:02:11,340 --> 01:02:19,100
them like work for. Oh yeah. That whole thing just totally ties in with that.

554
01:02:19,100 --> 01:02:26,460
It's such a good point, but I think it's interesting that he seems to imply there that that

555
01:02:26,460 --> 01:02:33,900
is only applicable to like the native or indigenous population. And I'm like, I think that probably

556
01:02:33,900 --> 01:02:44,700
applies to any sort of a population in a similar circumstance. Yeah. Yeah. It's just like moving

557
01:02:44,700 --> 01:02:50,700
into where people already are and like establishing good relations with them by encouraging your

558
01:02:50,700 --> 01:03:00,700
employees to marry them and have kids with them and hire them. Yeah. So interesting. Okay. So

559
01:03:02,060 --> 01:03:09,580
I will read the interpretation here. We're not even married. I know. I know. If the high

560
01:03:09,580 --> 01:03:16,060
orphaned is reversed, it shows you're assessing your position. You may long to break away from an

561
01:03:16,060 --> 01:03:23,340
old tradition, religious, ideological, intellectual or cultural that no longer serves your needs.

562
01:03:23,340 --> 01:03:29,180
You want to live by whatever philosophy or belief structure resonates with your true nature.

563
01:03:29,900 --> 01:03:36,940
Even if this puts you into conflict with others, perhaps your faith is being challenged in some way

564
01:03:36,940 --> 01:03:42,940
and you must reevaluate things you've taken for granted until now in order to be your own person.

565
01:03:42,940 --> 01:03:50,060
Oh, I don't know. That just that sounds too like just the white people moving in and expecting

566
01:03:50,060 --> 01:03:57,260
everyone else there to like follow what they do. Okay. Yeah. There's an extra excerpt here. Okay.

567
01:03:57,260 --> 01:04:05,500
There's two keys to the mysteries. The writerweight Smith deck shows two crossed keys below the

568
01:04:05,500 --> 01:04:12,860
high-rovent. These mark him as a teacher who holds the keys to the sacred mysteries. The keys also

569
01:04:12,860 --> 01:04:20,700
represent the intellect and intuition and the need to use them in tandem. Oh. Does that make you

570
01:04:20,700 --> 01:04:24,540
think it's interesting? Does that make you think of like the safe that had like the three different

571
01:04:24,540 --> 01:04:34,140
keys to it? A little bit. A little bit, right? Interesting. Okay. And the second one, I don't know.

572
01:04:34,140 --> 01:04:40,700
I'm interested to see what you think of this. Okay. When the experience of the breath of God

573
01:04:40,700 --> 01:04:49,660
becomes morality and morality becomes legality and legality becomes a system of outer customs and

574
01:04:49,660 --> 01:05:01,740
conventions, then the process of degeneration lies unveiled before us. Whoa. That was like really deep.

575
01:05:01,740 --> 01:05:11,500
Yeah. Like I feel that vibe here though, just like with everything. I mean, it was kind of taken over

576
01:05:11,500 --> 01:05:16,700
twice. Like the land was taken over by the fur trading company and then the military came in and

577
01:05:16,700 --> 01:05:23,500
kind of just like took all that over. Uh huh. Yeah. And now it's taken over by like ghosts basically.

578
01:05:23,500 --> 01:05:32,540
Yeah. Which is, yeah, that's interesting. But I mean, I think the linkage of like morality and like

579
01:05:32,540 --> 01:05:42,220
legality and I think it's important to sort of denote that there is that's not a distinction without

580
01:05:42,220 --> 01:05:49,340
a difference because what's legal versus illegal versus moral versus immoral. Right.

581
01:05:49,340 --> 01:05:58,300
Can be very, very different things. Yeah. I just think that's such an interesting. It really is.

582
01:05:58,300 --> 01:06:03,420
And I'm just gonna just gonna leave that there. I feel like I have nothing smart to add to that

583
01:06:03,420 --> 01:06:10,460
because it was just like kind of so perfect. Oh. I get well. Yeah. No, I mean, it's very profound. And

584
01:06:10,460 --> 01:06:15,420
so everything that we say from here after is sort of just blep. I mean, thank goodness for you because

585
01:06:15,420 --> 01:06:23,900
you always sound smart. Well, I mean, I just read it. So that it. Yeah. That was it. Oh, I guess I

586
01:06:23,900 --> 01:06:30,620
didn't read the bullets. I was like that did seem short. In general, this is just sort of talking

587
01:06:30,620 --> 01:06:37,740
about, um, and regards to money. It's rejecting the material world to follow a spiritual path.

588
01:06:38,540 --> 01:06:44,300
It can indicate arrogance in financial areas and an attitude that you don't need to play by the

589
01:06:44,300 --> 01:06:52,940
rules because you're above all that, which is a very, a very nepoto baby. Yeah. Very, like very of

590
01:06:52,940 --> 01:07:01,660
potentially, you know, some, some military figures. Yeah, reminding me of John Jr. though, like I can just

591
01:07:01,660 --> 01:07:08,060
I'm the boss. I can do whatever I want. I can get going to drunk in rage, but also the maybe the

592
01:07:08,060 --> 01:07:15,740
people who maybe took advantage of that or the person who investigated it, you know, maybe he was just

593
01:07:15,740 --> 01:07:21,180
like, Oh, well, I'm in charge now. I can investigate this. However, I want to leave things out. I mean,

594
01:07:21,180 --> 01:07:27,100
I don't know what happened. But yeah, I mean, we weren't actually there, but, you know, we can imagine

595
01:07:27,100 --> 01:07:35,580
maybe what what happened based on historical context and, you know, what we do know. Um,

596
01:07:37,660 --> 01:07:46,140
Cassie. Okay. I know who I think this sounds like and I want you to tell me who you think. What do you say?

597
01:07:46,140 --> 01:07:56,780
Who what? How do you? What do you think, lady? If the reading is about your job, you're probably

598
01:07:56,780 --> 01:08:04,220
questioning authority or the limitations in your workplace. Sometimes the reversed hyrrophin

599
01:08:04,220 --> 01:08:11,980
indicates leaving an organization that you feel is unprincipled or that doesn't hold your values.

600
01:08:11,980 --> 01:08:21,020
Okay. Dr. John Muglaughlin. Dr. John leaving. Not agreeing with how his son's investigation,

601
01:08:21,020 --> 01:08:27,500
murder investigation was handled. I'm just saying crazy. We did it again. God,

602
01:08:27,500 --> 01:08:34,380
damn it. I think we did it again. Yeah, it was totally questioning this because it's like such,

603
01:08:34,380 --> 01:08:40,700
such like a religious figured card. But I think in this case, it's more of like a power figure.

604
01:08:40,700 --> 01:08:47,740
It is. I think it's more, I think it speaks more to authority. Yeah. In a reading about love,

605
01:08:47,740 --> 01:08:53,180
the reversed hyrrophin may mean you feel trapped in a relationship because you're afraid to

606
01:08:53,180 --> 01:09:01,980
buck a social religious or cultural order. This card can also indicate a relationship in which one

607
01:09:01,980 --> 01:09:10,540
person holds most of the power or is judgmental or dogmatic. Yeah, that just goes back to those

608
01:09:10,540 --> 01:09:17,180
authority figures that we talked about. I think. Yeah. Yeah. I think some of those, it can apply

609
01:09:17,180 --> 01:09:24,860
in so many dynamics where it's like, okay, I mean, not a religious institution, you know,

610
01:09:24,860 --> 01:09:34,380
per se, but it applies in those authoritarian. And I do feel like military is, the military is

611
01:09:34,380 --> 01:09:43,980
like pretty religious though. I feel like it's hard to divorce that from our country in so many aspects.

612
01:09:43,980 --> 01:09:49,740
And I feel like yeah, maybe that's more what I'm thinking is like one nation under God.

613
01:09:49,740 --> 01:10:00,860
Well, okay. I mean, so the argument can be made that obviously a big part of what our country was

614
01:10:00,860 --> 01:10:08,460
founded on is, you know, it's the separation of, you know, church and state. Yeah. They feel like they

615
01:10:08,460 --> 01:10:15,420
don't quite get there. You know, no taxation without representation. There's that. That's a, it's,

616
01:10:15,420 --> 01:10:22,460
you know, arguably the, of course, it all comes back to, you know, show me the money. But the religious

617
01:10:22,460 --> 01:10:29,340
component of, you know, of having that freedom, it's such, I mean, you can't separate that from

618
01:10:29,340 --> 01:10:35,580
from the founding of this country and from the, you know, the very earliest white settlers.

619
01:10:36,300 --> 01:10:41,900
So can you say this country again with a, with your Southern Marm accent?

620
01:10:41,900 --> 01:10:52,460
This country. I just love it. When I do that, do you know what I'm picturing? What?

621
01:10:52,460 --> 01:10:58,780
Okay, do you remember there was a Netflix? It's like a cartoon show and it was basically like about

622
01:10:58,780 --> 01:11:08,220
a bunch of 40 kids. I am drawing such a big mouth. Yes. I am, I am always Maya Rudolph in big mouth.

623
01:11:08,220 --> 01:11:15,020
What I'm doing that. I'm picturing the character. I'm picturing like bubble bio.

624
01:11:18,460 --> 01:11:30,300
Have a creepy ass day. We'll see you next Tuesday. We'll be there. Happy 200th anniversary,

625
01:11:30,300 --> 01:11:37,180
Fort Vancouver. It's like kind of a big deal when you get to 200, you know? We know, we know, we know,

626
01:11:37,180 --> 01:11:45,020
not 200 years. Oh, no, although it feels like it a little bit, a little bit. But obviously we're,

627
01:11:45,740 --> 01:11:52,300
I mean, look at us. We're radiant. So youthful. I mean, okay, maybe I'll play my 200 years old,

628
01:11:52,300 --> 01:11:55,740
then we would look extra good all the time.

629
01:11:55,740 --> 01:11:57,740
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