Emerald City Ponzi Scheme - Unmasking Seattle’s Mini Madoff

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It turns out he was really good at the collecting part.

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And then, not so great when it came to releasing the funds to the appropriate party.

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Which is just wild to me.

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I mean, what could possibly go wrong when you put her petually drunk assholes in charge

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of tens of thousands of dollars?

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Yeah, what could go wrong?

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I'm just not sure where things went wrong.

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Hi, Cassie.

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Hi, Caitlyn.

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Hi, creepy people.

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Hello.

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Hello.

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Hello.

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If you're new to our creepy corner of the world, this is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we chat

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about true crime, paranormal, and all things creepy in the Pacific Northwest.

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And then we do a tarot reading at the end of every episode for a little deeper insight

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into whatever we talked about for the day, whether it was true crime or spooky.

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Yes.

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So, if you want to stick around and hear that, you are more than welcome to join us.

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In fact, we insist.

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We kind of do.

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But in a really nice way, not like in a, you know, culty way.

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Never.

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All right.

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We'll just see how this goes because this is, I think this is what I've heard now several

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shows the hosts refer to as After Dark.

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Oh, yeah.

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That's us tonight recording this.

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So good thing.

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I didn't pick something super duper dark.

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I think.

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That's good.

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That's good.

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It's not dark after dark.

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Yeah, exactly.

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I don't know.

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I just feel like that would be insult to injury.

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Yeah.

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It's been a long day, you guys.

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Okay.

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It has been.

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I've been editing that video that you all have better have watched and enjoyed because it

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was hard, but fun for your viewing pleasure.

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Okay.

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That was the loan for cemetery episode.

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Yeah.

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That's a fun one.

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And I added all the pictures and stuff into the video.

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Oh, she can't see.

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I know.

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I mean, real fancy.

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Don't expect it every time.

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Yeah, I want to see.

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All right.

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Well, oh, I have a correction.

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Can I make a correction?

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Of course.

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So I realized while I was editing, I said the Multnomah County building was built in

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its client.

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It's a Multnomah County building called the Morrison building.

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And for some reason, I think maybe I just like deleted that part on everything.

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You're like, listen, you don't need to know which building.

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Just know that Multnomah County is the boss of it.

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So it's called the Morrison building.

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Just so everyone knows.

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Okay.

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I feel a lot better now.

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Thank you.

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I do because I was like weighing heavy on me.

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I'm like, there's someone's going to tell me it's not called the Multnomah County building.

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That doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.

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Also, please don't do.

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Yeah.

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I mean, if I make a mistake, you're more than welcome to tell me nicely.

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Yeah.

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But definitely don't correct Cassie in that tone of voice.

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Because I will not stand for it.

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Thank you.

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Yeah.

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Anywhere else?

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That was it.

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That was a so welcome.

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Sorry to take over your episode.

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Oh, yeah.

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I just honestly don't know how I could ever forgive you.

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You'll have to try.

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Yeah.

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She's like, too fucking bad.

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All right.

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So this episode, I'm kind of just going to jump into it.

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Okay.

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I feel like people say that and then it doesn't really seem like they're jumping into it.

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But you're not jumping.

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I'm.

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Yeah.

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Well, listen, that really wreaks havoc on the pop filter in the microphone.

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You know, not, not, you're not compatible with jumping jets.

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And me there is usually our alter set up.

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Oh, yeah.

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And it turns out actually I'm not either.

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So.

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All right.

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Fredrick, Darren, Muskov had few friends as a kid growing up in Grands Pass, Oregon.

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He was born in Ashland, Oregon and was the youngest in his family.

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Perhaps that's why at just eight years old, he created an alter ego.

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Oh, I love me an alter ego.

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Oh, that's interesting.

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I do not for like criminal purposes, but I just really like being in cogn, incognito.

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Incognito.

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Incognito.

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Yeah.

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And.

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And I do the same thing.

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In, in, in, in, in.

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Anyways, enough of that.

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And in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in.

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Do you want to know what it was?

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His alter ego.

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Literally, I'm dying to know what it is.

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Please tell me.

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Rod Taylor.

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Rod Taylor.

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Yeah, man.

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Mm hmm.

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Darren was an outgoing and obedient child, but he also aspired to greatness.

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He wanted to be more like his alter ego, Rod Taylor, etch service, which always reminds me

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of this scene in scrubs where he says, Dr. Turk, etch your service.

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Oh, it was in labor.

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Oh, that's funny.

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All right.

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Well, I've never seen it.

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All right.

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Podcasts is over.

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No.

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This is not scrubs rewatch podcast.

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No, because the people that actually start in the show are doing that.

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Don't you love that, though?

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I fucking love those rewatch podcasts.

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Yeah.

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With the cast.

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The cast.

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The podcast, cast, rewatch podcast.

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I just learned there was an OC one, and I'm about to get down on that.

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Oh, boy.

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I know.

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It's too rich for my blood.

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Rod was smart, but also invincible.

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Unfailing in any pursuit and was, of course, admired by all.

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Which is really easy to do when you don't exist.

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I was going to say, I feel like if you're trying to be like someone who is invincible, it

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might not work out.

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Not a human trait.

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No, wait, that's exactly right.

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Wow.

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Couldn't have said it better myself.

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Literally could not.

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You're welcome.

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It's not hard to see the appeal for someone like Darren who always fell short, at least in

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his father's eyes, who frankly sounds like a bully.

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Pretty typical dynamic here, unfortunately.

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It's unclear whether he actually verbalized this thought or if Darren just sort of felt

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it, but he believed that his father considered him a sissy.

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Oh, that's so sad.

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Yeah, I don't love it.

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And to be honest, I don't know if there were early signs of what would develop into, you

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know, well, I shouldn't say develop into it because it's not a, it's not a, it's a

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curse.

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It's not a progression per se and it's not a choice.

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But I wonder if Darren's father could see early signs that he was gay.

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I feel like that can make for some challenging relationship dynamics when you are an actual

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trash hamster.

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So.

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Wow.

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While we're on the topic of toxic masculinity and also Darren's dad, topics that may be somewhat

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intertwined in hindsight.

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So let's talk more about the family patriarch, shall we?

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Well, you don't really get a choice.

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So Darren's father supported the family in a variety of roles.

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He worked as a butcher, a car salesman and even a river guide, which a river guide.

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He was a car salesman, a butcher and then a river guide.

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Yes.

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I thought I said river guide.

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No, I just didn't, in my brain, it didn't fit with the other things.

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I mean, they are some very disparate job types, I would say.

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Like what's a river guide?

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Like, is it fishing?

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I don't know if there was fishing involved, but somebody who takes tourists or people that

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want to go out into the great beyond the wilderness.

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Yeah.

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Interesting.

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And it takes them out on tours and whatnot.

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Because he, I don't know.

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I don't know this person, but to me, so far, it doesn't seem like the type to be like,

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look at this tree.

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It's a blue, blue, blue.

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But I mean, he does strike me as the kind of guy who would be taking people out, you know,

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for like whitewater rafting or something.

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Oh, okay.

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You know what I mean?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Because I'm a man.

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That's why I was like, maybe it's fishing.

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I don't know.

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I was like a manly thing to do, kill little innocent fish with hooks.

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Oh, yeah.

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The family was certainly living in the right area for the latter career path.

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So like, Grants Pass, you know, kind of Ashland, the Rogue Riverish area, I think I

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semi-know-our-ash, Ashland, Ashland is super kill.

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We just talked about it recently.

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Yeah, we did.

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But Darren's diadi was said to be a mean drunk.

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Though it seems that his older brothers took the brunt of their father's abuse, the pair

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were left with enough rage to enact similar abuse on their youngest brother, on their father's

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behalf, or just on their own behalf because they were pissed that they were always getting

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beat up.

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No.

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So, you know, super healthy.

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From an early age, it seems that Darren's emotional bonds were closest with his mother

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and sisters.

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Which I mean, I think for maybe the youngest of three boys that doesn't seem that surprising.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I'm not a boy.

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I don't know things about boy stuff.

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By the time his parents split up in 1975, Darren was a teenager.

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Eventually, his mother remarried, which is actually where Darren takes on a different surname,

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Berg.

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Talk about daddy issues.

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Oh, all joking aside, if you were given your father's last name at birth and you decide

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to change it of your own accord, when you're still a kid, I'm going to assume that daddy

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done did your wrong.

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Yeah, probably.

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Fair assessment.

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It's not totally clear to me that this was 100% Darren's choice or his doing, but I do

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think it says a lot.

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And let's face it, he didn't ever change his name back.

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Either.

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Okay.

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I just found that really interesting.

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In any case, Darren would eventually leave Grant's pass and enroll at the University of Oregon

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in Eugene.

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Oh, okay, ducks.

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Yeah.

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Whack, whack, whack, whack.

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This is where I have to say that while I really love how we have like a shop local mentality

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to our show, I also really hate that everything is ruined forever.

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What's being ruined now?

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Well, I mean, he's like a U of O alum and I'm like, David.

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But, oh, you know, is that ruining that?

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I guess not.

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Let me be dramatic.

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Okay, it is a full moon.

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I was like, if I'm going to pick a duck or a beaver, it's going to be a beaver for sure.

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And what are we ruining here?

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Come to me when you ruin beavers, okay?

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Okay.

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So, this is kind of off the rails a little bit, it's a little bit of a tangent, but you, I

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know.

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But I die Grant.

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I know.

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I was shocked.

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Anyway.

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I've actually been recently binging a true crime heavy on the comedy podcast called

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Let's Go to Court.

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And in terms of juvenile dick and/or butt related jokes, I give us a decent run for money.

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Like, I feel like we would be friends in real life.

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Okay.

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Do you remember I texted our chat the other night and was asking, what is that movie where

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the guy is talking about?

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I feel like he would want to be friends with me and he was referring to Vince Vaughn.

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Oh.

293
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That is how I feel about them.

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Man, like, they're, why don't you bring up Vince Vaughn?

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I don't think so.

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I feel like, come on.

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Interesting.

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Come on.

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But they actually covered this case as well and it was pretty fucking hilarious.

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And I'm not going to steal their jokes about how Darian is a weird busfucker.

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What?

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A busfucker?

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Uh-huh.

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As in so obsessed with buses that he wants to fuck one American pie style.

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Oh.

306
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Is he going to be on my strange addiction?

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Do you remember the guy who like fucked his car?

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It's not like that allegedly.

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We talked about tree fucking last time too.

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What is it with you?

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It is all over the place.

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But anyways, I would never do that to the self-proclaimed Grace Kelly of podcasting would

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never steal her hilarious dick and/or butt jokes.

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So.

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Okay.

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However, I did want to take this opportunity to humbly issue a call to action for our listeners.

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Please make Kristen and Brandy aware of our existence.

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Make our dreams come true.

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Busfucking accusations aside.

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There is absolutely zero concrete evidence that Darian ever engaged in sexual intercourse with

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a bus or any other type of motor vehicle.

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I'm saying that for legal reasons because I feel he could prove to be a litigious man.

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You know, I think I'm just going to go with the fact that he didn't.

324
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It just I'm more comfortable with that.

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Yeah.

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There's something.

327
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There's something that is comforting about that.

328
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Yeah.

329
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However, at 20 years old, he did in fact own a charter bus company.

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The Darian Berg Tour Corporation.

331
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Oh, he didn't name it after his alter ego?

332
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No.

333
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Darian.

334
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I know.

335
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It feels like it could be a missed opportunity.

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Right.

337
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Yeah.

338
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But maybe it was like the ultimate fuck you to his dad.

339
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Yeah, maybe.

340
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I'm just saying.

341
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That's true.

342
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Because he had a new last name and yeah, yeah, yeah.

343
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His grandfather was reportedly a Greyhound bus driver.

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So maybe it was just a genetic compulsion.

345
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It's just that's a bus family.

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It's a bus fucking family.

347
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No.

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Also, I'd like to point out that I say reportedly, like Darian telling that story over and over

349
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about his grandpa being a bus driver is actual reporting.

350
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Oh, so we don't know if that's true.

351
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I mean, I have no reason to believe it's not true.

352
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I'm assuming it's true, but I wasn't looking to fact check that particular aspect of the

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story.

354
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It's kind of a weird lie.

355
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It would be a weird lie, but it's only weird lie.

356
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Unless you're going like, oh, no, what I'm doing.

357
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Because my grandpa did this.

358
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So it runs in my blood.

359
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He didn't drive the buses.

360
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What is he?

361
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He's telling me.

362
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It's only coming.

363
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Yeah.

364
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Oh, he's a world class delegator.

365
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Oh.

366
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Okay.

367
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Okay.

368
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He is a manson.

369
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A what?

370
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A manson.

371
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Oh, he's a world class delegator.

372
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I've ever seen that.

373
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That's true.

374
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Anyways, aside from running a company completely removed from any type of vehicular sex

375
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work, I don't know if I don't know if motor vehicles can be involved in sex work.

376
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If you can't consent, that's what I'm saying.

377
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Unless you're one of those talking cars from those shows or whatever, like Christine.

378
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Yeah.

379
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Or yeah.

380
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I bet Christine or consent.

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She was kind of obsessed with it.

382
00:18:09,120 --> 00:18:13,840
She was a naughty girl from what I recall.

383
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Darren was a good looking white man of mediocre talent and possibly slightly above average

384
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intelligence.

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So, you know, other than fucking buses, that was kind of his thing.

386
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I just feel like it's giving bun D vibes.

387
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Yeah.

388
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Thankfully, minus the murder.

389
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Oh, God.

390
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Thank gosh.

391
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That we know of.

392
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I'm always leaving that door open.

393
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Hmm.

394
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I don't want to leave murder doors open.

395
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I know.

396
00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,520
Well, we did.

397
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Literally left the murder door open.

398
00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,560
Maybe that's why you left it open because it related to your story.

399
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No, I could not have operated with that level of forethought.

400
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That's ridiculous.

401
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Ma'am.

402
00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:05,280
You think I remember what I wrote?

403
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Yeah.

404
00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,720
You said ridiculous.

405
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The person who sat down and said, all right, what are we talking about today?

406
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I did say that.

407
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Anyway, for a young man of college age, there was only one thing to do.

408
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Cassie.

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One thing.

410
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One thing.

411
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A bus.

412
00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:30,320
I don't know.

413
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That's right.

414
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Join a frat.

415
00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:33,320
Oh.

416
00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,320
Good old Greek societies.

417
00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:36,320
That's right.

418
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She's like, I could not care less.

419
00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:41,320
Alpha beta pi.

420
00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:42,320
Hey, listen.

421
00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:49,320
I will let you know what house.

422
00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:53,920
But just joining would be such a sheeple move.

423
00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:54,920
Not Darren.

424
00:19:54,920 --> 00:20:01,000
He had big dreams for his time as a pie capa alpha.

425
00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:07,320
And because he was an attractive yet altogether mediocre white man at the stage of his life, he

426
00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:14,760
was handed an opportunity to really make an impression as a hashtag Greek life student.

427
00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:20,400
When he was elected, both president and treasurer for the fraternity.

428
00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,320
That seems like a conflict of interest.

429
00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,560
Well, it seems like probably kind of a time suck also.

430
00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:26,560
Yeah.

431
00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:28,160
Does he not take any classes?

432
00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,160
I don't know.

433
00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:31,160
Yeah.

434
00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:35,040
I'm just saying it seems like poor planning.

435
00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:36,040
Interesting.

436
00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:37,040
Hmm.

437
00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:42,960
Because I guess we just hand over that kind of responsibility to whoever has their hands

438
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:47,040
free while everyone else is butt chugging something.

439
00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:48,880
Good old butt chugging.

440
00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:49,880
Butt chugging.

441
00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,120
Hey, I said I wouldn't steal her jokes.

442
00:20:52,120 --> 00:20:57,280
I didn't say I wouldn't make my own about the bus.

443
00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,880
Mike Stone was the frat's alumni advisor.

444
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:06,320
And he would be the one to stumble upon the fraud initiated by Darren.

445
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:12,520
You see, Darren was responsible for collecting the household rent from its members and making

446
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the payment to their landlord.

447
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:23,640
Weirdly, after being elected by his brothers, the fraternity would encounter some financial

448
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:24,640
issues.

449
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:25,640
Weird.

450
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When you make the president also the treasurer.

451
00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:29,200
Weird.

452
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Weird.

453
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:35,520
In September, the frat's bank statement did not show a deposit.

454
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:41,280
So it's really hard to make the payment for your rent when you don't deposit the funds

455
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,440
that you collected to pay them.

456
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:44,440
Yeah.

457
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:45,440
Yeah.

458
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:46,440
You get it.

459
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:47,440
I don't know where it went.

460
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:48,440
What made the treasurer?

461
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:49,440
Yeah.

462
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:50,440
Yes, Darren.

463
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:51,440
Yes.

464
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:52,440
Yes, you are.

465
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Fuck.

466
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:58,400
It turns out he was really good at the collecting part.

467
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:04,960
And then, not so great when it came to releasing the funds to the appropriate party.

468
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,000
Hmm.

469
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,200
Which is just wild to me.

470
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:14,360
I mean, what could possibly go wrong when you put perpetually drunk assholes in charge

471
00:22:14,360 --> 00:22:17,200
of tens of thousands of dollars?

472
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:18,200
Yeah.

473
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:19,200
What could go wrong?

474
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,200
I'm just not sure where things went wrong.

475
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:24,200
Yeah.

476
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:29,240
Well, it would come to light later that Darren had taken all the money from the frat that

477
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,200
should have been going towards their rent.

478
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:38,440
The question is, what would an entrepreneur, that young, dumb, and presumably full of

479
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,440
come, do with all that money?

480
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:45,120
I was not expecting you to say that.

481
00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:46,120
I know.

482
00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:48,120
Because I was like, I see it.

483
00:22:48,120 --> 00:22:49,120
I see it.

484
00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:50,440
And I was like, don't even look at it.

485
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:51,440
You know the word.

486
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:52,440
Just say it.

487
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:53,880
Don't give it away.

488
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:59,880
You wouldn't even say that for my episode when I made you read the Urban Dictionary Definition

489
00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:03,480
of, I can't remember like the scuba diver.

490
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:04,480
I don't know.

491
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,840
I remember what it was.

492
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:07,840
It wasn't that.

493
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,320
But you were like, come to completion.

494
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,000
You wouldn't even say come.

495
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,320
Now you're pulling, come out of your butt.

496
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:18,280
Obviously, I said, come, come to completion.

497
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:19,880
Come on.

498
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,360
You should have said full of completion.

499
00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:24,360
Oh boy.

500
00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:25,360
Oh boy.

501
00:23:25,360 --> 00:23:27,360
That's a new one.

502
00:23:27,360 --> 00:23:33,320
Listen, he poured it into his bus company.

503
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,320
The money, not the comp.

504
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:36,320
Allegedly.

505
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:37,320
Wow.

506
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,320
Just come in full circle.

507
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:41,320
You see what I did.

508
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,560
I do see what she did there.

509
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:49,360
Unfortunately, I'm getting a very thavid mental image right now.

510
00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:54,800
So now he's got money to burn and potentially bus is to fuck.

511
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,320
Again, allegedly.

512
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,320
How many more times?

513
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,320
Couldn't tell you.

514
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,320
Probably a few more.

515
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:09,400
You guys, he's really obsessed with the buses.

516
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:10,400
Okay.

517
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:18,920
And it's such a weird and specific part of this case that like 100 different.

518
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:30,000
Like TV shows, news programs, podcasts, could cover it and they would all be thinking to themselves.

519
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,120
When does he start fucking the bus?

520
00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:33,120
Oh god.

521
00:24:33,120 --> 00:24:35,120
I don't want to know.

522
00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:38,840
Honestly, I'm just so glad I'm not a newscaster.

523
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:44,040
It would really suck to have to talk about this case and like straight face.

524
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:45,040
Yeah.

525
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:46,040
No jokes.

526
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,360
No jokes about his bus, fucking.

527
00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:53,800
You would just have to and then get fired and you'd end up on YouTube as a blooper.

528
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:54,800
Yeah.

529
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,960
Any whosel.

530
00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:04,080
Following this kerfuffle with the frat finances, Darren moved to Portland and started an ad

531
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,160
agency with a former frat brother.

532
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:11,680
They called it Berg, Chavre and Associates.

533
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,960
Did they know what was him that stole the money?

534
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:15,960
Oh yeah.

535
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,000
It's like it's kind of obvious.

536
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,320
So like, who is this other frat brother that's going with him?

537
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:21,320
Yeah.

538
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:22,320
I don't know.

539
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,720
Maybe that guy graduated the year before and had no idea.

540
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:25,720
Interesting.

541
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,640
That was my question as well.

542
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:28,640
What are you doing, bro?

543
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,760
I just saw he was like really good at money.

544
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,560
Yeah, you're like, he's really good at money.

545
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,960
People like elected him from money stuff.

546
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:37,960
Yeah.

547
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:38,960
Yeah.

548
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,960
Let's be his partner.

549
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:41,960
Yeah.

550
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:42,960
John.

551
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:43,960
Oh god.

552
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:44,960
Chad.

553
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:45,960
Chavre.

554
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,480
Oh, that's so douchey.

555
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,800
I have no idea what his name was.

556
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,360
Oh, I was like, is that his name?

557
00:25:52,360 --> 00:25:53,360
Yeah.

558
00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:55,320
That would be hilarious though, right?

559
00:25:55,320 --> 00:26:01,880
Which in another context almost conjures up images of an up and coming law firm.

560
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,640
Doesn't Berg, Chavre and Associates.

561
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,200
It sounds like a law firm.

562
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,160
It kind of does, yeah.

563
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:09,160
It wasn't.

564
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:10,160
Clearly.

565
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,600
I'd be a little worried if it was.

566
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:14,600
Yeah.

567
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,840
Well, here's the thing is he did tell people that he went to law school.

568
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:23,040
So oh, it's not even that far fetched.

569
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:24,040
It wasn't him.

570
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,560
It was Rod who went to law school.

571
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:34,040
Listen, Rod doesn't like to waste his time with books and classrooms, lectures.

572
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:38,360
No, he's out there doing.

573
00:26:38,360 --> 00:26:40,200
I assume the big do.

574
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,480
He's doing the big do.

575
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:43,480
I don't know.

576
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:44,480
Yeah, do the do.

577
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:45,480
Yeah, do the do.

578
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:46,480
Yeah, do the do.

579
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:47,480
Yeah.

580
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,240
No, I remember those ads.

581
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:50,560
God damn.

582
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:57,960
Well, things seem to be on the up and up for a minute anyway.

583
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:07,400
Then in 1987, Darren isn't dieted on bank fraud charges for checkkiting.

584
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:08,400
Checkkiting.

585
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:09,400
Yeah.

586
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:10,400
What is that?

587
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:11,400
Oh, don't you worry.

588
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:12,400
Okay.

589
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:20,280
So basically, he wrote a check from one account deposited to another and withdrew the funds

590
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:25,280
before anyone realized that the first account had insufficient funds.

591
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:30,120
And just in case you were wondering because you thought it sounded like such a good idea,

592
00:27:30,120 --> 00:27:31,520
this is illegal.

593
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:32,520
This is why check suck.

594
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:33,520
Yeah.

595
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,360
This is why nobody takes a goddamn check.

596
00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:42,920
Which is why I will never understand how they went and gave it such a fun, whimsical

597
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:43,920
sounding name.

598
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:44,920
Yeah, checkkiting.

599
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:45,920
Checkkiting.

600
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:46,920
Yeah.

601
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,360
I feel like I'm about to have a day at the beach.

602
00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:50,920
Just kite in your cheques around.

603
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:51,920
Yeah.

604
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,920
Oh, look, my $10,000.

605
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,080
You mimin.

606
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:02,960
An interpretation of checkkiting.

607
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:07,040
I just was it everything you ever wanted?

608
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:08,080
It really was.

609
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:09,080
You're welcome.

610
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,080
I mean, except the $10,000.

611
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,080
But I know.

612
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:14,600
Oh, boy.

613
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:15,600
Okay.

614
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:24,800
He did this in a series of transactions between the business ventures in which he had a stake

615
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,440
to the tune of roughly $19,000.

616
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:29,440
Ooh.

617
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:30,440
In 1987.

618
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,280
Kind of a lot.

619
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:38,200
That's like, that's a lot of money now, but that was like decent amount.

620
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:45,200
Chad had never seen that much money.

621
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:52,720
Though eight charges had been filed against him, he pled guilty to just a singular charge.

622
00:28:52,720 --> 00:29:00,880
The judge sentenced him to a suspended sentence, which is just the most dickish thing.

623
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:06,960
As part of the agreement for his sentencing, he had to repay the money he'd kited and attend

624
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:07,960
counseling.

625
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:08,960
Oh.

626
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:09,960
Okay.

627
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,360
So basically like, hey, you stole that money.

628
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,240
You have to give it back.

629
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,720
And then we're going to, we want to send you to this guy.

630
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:24,160
And he's going to tell you about how you can be better at not doing that.

631
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:29,800
I mean, I guess it's like, was the crime that I mean?

632
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,720
Bad, bad.

633
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:32,960
I mean, I don't know.

634
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,840
You got an extra 19 grand later.

635
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:42,240
I mean, if you can't pay it back, I assume there are rep rep rep rep, rep rep or cushions,

636
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:43,240
rep or cushions.

637
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,480
I mean, dealer's choice.

638
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,240
I'll say it with a country accent.

639
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,240
Rep or cushions.

640
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,240
Rep or cushions.

641
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,160
What in tarnation?

642
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,600
Oh boy.

643
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:03,000
Allowing this latest brush with legal system, he moved to Seattle.

644
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,920
And he started a new company.

645
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:06,920
Hmm.

646
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:12,920
I wonder if this one just did everything legally, nothing went wrong.

647
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:19,880
Listen, Darren has proven himself to be nothing if not honest.

648
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,400
New state, new Darren.

649
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:22,400
Yeah.

650
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:23,400
Yeah.

651
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:24,400
That's right.

652
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:25,400
That's right.

653
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:30,400
When people wait for a new year, he just waited for a new address.

654
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,000
They waited until he got caught and then moved.

655
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,000
Yeah.

656
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,000
Yeah.

657
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,440
Meridian mortgage funds.

658
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,240
This company honed in on the private mortgage market.

659
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,760
Remember, it's the 80s.

660
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:46,760
Oh.

661
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,760
The late 80s.

662
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,800
Arguably the best part of the 80s.

663
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,560
Just write about, write about now.

664
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,560
I think you can get away with crime.

665
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:57,560
Not really.

666
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,560
Also when I was born.

667
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,560
But I see I see it.

668
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:02,560
Yeah.

669
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,560
What I said didn't make any sense because he didn't even get away with it.

670
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:05,560
No.

671
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:06,560
Was this on American greed?

672
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:07,560
It was.

673
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:08,560
Yeah.

674
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,720
I wonder if I've heard it before.

675
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:12,720
I wouldn't know.

676
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:13,720
Maybe.

677
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:14,720
Yeah.

678
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,400
Well, because you're like sleep watching.

679
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:17,400
Yeah.

680
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:18,640
And you're like sleep listening.

681
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:19,640
So many of them.

682
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:20,640
Yeah.

683
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:28,480
What he started out doing was totally legal, essentially selling real estate without the

684
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:36,280
involvement of a bank, which sounds far less insidious on the surface than how, you know,

685
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,320
by the end of it, how all this shook out.

686
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:45,320
Is that like those signs I see on the road that said we buy houses cash?

687
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,560
I don't think this really exists anymore.

688
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:48,560
Oh.

689
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:49,560
Yeah.

690
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,640
So does anybody know it's a scam?

691
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:53,640
I can tell you that.

692
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:59,720
Like a hand with sign on the side of the road on in cardboard.

693
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:00,720
You know what?

694
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:07,400
Listen, that guy could afford both the Sharpie and the card stock.

695
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:08,400
Yeah.

696
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,800
So I mean, he probably knows what he's doing.

697
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:11,800
Yeah.

698
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,840
Well, I assume like if you're wanting to buy houses with cash, you might have the cash

699
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,360
to purchase a nicer sign.

700
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:19,760
Well, but you know what?

701
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,160
They always say rich people don't waste their money.

702
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:24,320
So on signage.

703
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,360
That's a quote.

704
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,160
Yeah.

705
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:35,880
Typically, this type of transaction would occur if the buyer didn't have the credit worthiness

706
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:42,640
to qualify for a more traditional bank loan.

707
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,080
So nothing to see here.

708
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,400
Surface level, everything's fine.

709
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,520
Everything's fine.

710
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:57,560
My next line, which seemed fine.

711
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,400
Scirt protocol and safety nets, baby.

712
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:06,400
This is all prior to the collapse of the housing and mortgage markets still playing a prominent

713
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:15,400
role in the collective trauma of I wrote nation, but I'm going to say generation when it comes

714
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:16,400
to housing.

715
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:17,400
Yeah.

716
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:26,960
Because let's face it, there's some people that are maybe slightly more significantly impacted.

717
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:36,360
In 2003, Darren invested in his bus company to the tune of about four million dollars of

718
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:40,520
Meridian's roughly 13 million dollars in capital.

719
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:41,520
Damn.

720
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,320
He stole the bus company.

721
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:45,320
Yeah.

722
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:46,320
Okay.

723
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:51,640
And I got to say, I was like, I'm sorry, how many millions?

724
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,640
I, a couple of you.

725
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,240
He's, he's real good at collecting.

726
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,360
Yeah.

727
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:04,400
So while we're talking about money that Darren, at one point or another, outright stole from

728
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:14,080
people or, you know, just casually embezzled those types of funds, that four million dollars

729
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:20,520
would eventually grow to 40, not 40 dollars, because that wouldn't be growth.

730
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,160
I don't think you people understand growth.

731
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:24,800
40 million dollars.

732
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:25,800
Wow.

733
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:35,400
And not because he invested it in something like real foolproof, he just kept stealing more.

734
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,400
Oh, okay.

735
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:43,240
So just to be clear, he's not like so good with money that, you know, he's just like making

736
00:34:43,240 --> 00:34:44,240
more of it.

737
00:34:44,240 --> 00:34:47,000
Just, he just stealing more of it.

738
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,800
So it's not returned on investment.

739
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:49,800
No, it's not just see.

740
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,840
I knew I would find a way to work it in.

741
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:53,840
Damn.

742
00:34:53,840 --> 00:35:04,880
Oh, this is where I go hard on trying to convince you that he has a very unhealthy attachment or

743
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,720
parasocial relationship with the buses back to the buses.

744
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:09,720
Back to the buses.

745
00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:12,920
You know, I'm saying like back and back again.

746
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:13,920
Back again.

747
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:14,920
Back again.

748
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:15,920
Back again.

749
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,920
Back again.

750
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:23,480
He interviewed each bus driver that his company hired.

751
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:28,240
Out of course, he purchased their uniforms from Nordstrom.

752
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:29,240
Okay.

753
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:30,240
Pretty shwanker.

754
00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:33,040
Fancy for a bus driver.

755
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,840
I think so, a little bit.

756
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,880
Because obviously I can't think of anything more necessary.

757
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:44,440
I mean, you're going to get all those Nordy's points, you know, do they have points?

758
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,680
Oh, well, they call them notes.

759
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,680
You want to get those Nordy's notes.

760
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:49,680
Oh.

761
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:50,680
Oh.

762
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:59,480
I mean, I bought my wedding dress second hand, but the thing is, I don't even plan to drive

763
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,400
a bus a single time while I'm wearing it.

764
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,600
So who even cares?

765
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:06,600
You know?

766
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:11,720
Like, I'm not going to be operating any sort of heavy equipment.

767
00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:14,480
So what is it better?

768
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,160
I sure as fuck hope not.

769
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:23,080
She's like, I actually have follow up questions now, especially on your wedding because you're

770
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:24,960
not going to be sober.

771
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,760
No, not for a single minute of it.

772
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:34,360
Are you going to talk about what he interviewed the bus drivers about?

773
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,480
Oh, he just interviewed everyone that they hired.

774
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,480
Oh, just to hire them.

775
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:46,360
Do you think he tried to slip in like, hey, how much do you like buses?

776
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,680
Are you brilliant the buses?

777
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,480
Or just like, yeah, I'm a bus driver.

778
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,360
Try to feel them out and see it.

779
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,200
Maybe he wouldn't hire them because it would be like competition.

780
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,200
Oh, yeah.

781
00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:00,840
No, you don't want some other guy fucking your bus.

782
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,840
The Seahawks.

783
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:11,760
Back to sports saying, oh, we're among his elite client list.

784
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,600
Oh, that's right.

785
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:19,640
But it wasn't all about whining and dining the buses that Darren undoubtedly wanted to

786
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,080
fuck.

787
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:32,120
He also bought himself two private jets and two yachts because who wants to be one of those

788
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:38,760
fours that doesn't have a jet or a yacht to lend to a friend, you know, two?

789
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:39,760
Uh-huh.

790
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:40,760
Cheers.

791
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,600
I mean, really, if you think about it, it's the only way to do it.

792
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:50,400
I mean, I'm, you know, I wouldn't be mad about it if I were his friend.

793
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,200
Exactly.

794
00:37:54,200 --> 00:38:00,680
He also paid John Mayer and Ben Foltz to perform at a company party.

795
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:01,680
John Mayer?

796
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:02,680
Yeah.

797
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,680
Like, why?

798
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:10,480
I mean, he was kind of, he, I mean, arguably he still, listen, people like him.

799
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:11,480
I know.

800
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,200
You know, I don't get it.

801
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:19,560
I mean, I get it to a point, but I don't know.

802
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,640
Just whatever.

803
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,000
Don't fuck over Taylor, you know?

804
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,000
Yeah.

805
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,000
Yeah, just fuck a bus.

806
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:34,680
Allegedly, allegedly, allegedly, for all the other things she said, yeah, you forgot to

807
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,680
say it a couple of times.

808
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:37,680
Yeah, yeah.

809
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,440
Listen, Darren, come out of your Heidi Hall, file that lawsuit.

810
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,760
Bye-bye.

811
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:48,560
He paid John Mayer $465,000 for that show.

812
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,320
That's all it takes to buy John Mayer.

813
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:55,720
I mean, this was a while ago, but yeah, pretty much.

814
00:38:55,720 --> 00:39:00,760
It's unclear how much Ben Foltz was compensated, but hopefully it was enough to cover his,

815
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,240
I assume, myosive, alimony payments.

816
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:08,000
Is that dude's been married quite a few times?

817
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,000
I don't know who that is.

818
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,000
That's why I didn't really acknowledge that one.

819
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,720
Yeah, no, I mean, I feel like that's, that's about right.

820
00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:16,720
Okay.

821
00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:21,520
My next line though, it probably won't explain it for you, but it might for some people.

822
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,200
I don't know.

823
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:30,400
He's the guy who penned the massively popular song about how the bitch went nuts.

824
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,040
The bitch went nuts.

825
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,040
Yeah.

826
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,040
Hmm.

827
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:35,040
Why?

828
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,040
She stabbed my basketball.

829
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:37,040
Good.

830
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:38,960
I don't, I don't, I don't deserve it.

831
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:43,160
What is it with all of the fucking sports?

832
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:52,360
Anyway, unlike the nearly innumerable ex-wives of Ben Foltz, lovely gentleman that he

833
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,480
has, Darren's employees loved him.

834
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:02,880
Particularly once they learned about how his grandpa had worked for Greyhound, inspiring

835
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:08,720
Darren to do the same while he put himself through imaginary law school.

836
00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:10,200
Aww, so sweet.

837
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:11,200
Yeah.

838
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:12,200
So awesome.

839
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:16,360
Why would you go to law school and then be a bus owner?

840
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:17,360
She didn't go to the movies.

841
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,960
I know, but like, that's what's weird about it.

842
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,480
I get such a weird lie and people are like, believing it.

843
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:25,880
But they're like, that totally tracks.

844
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,720
Yeah, that makes complete sense, Darren.

845
00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:28,720
Yeah.

846
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:29,720
Yeah.

847
00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:34,880
I mean, I guess Nick Miller went to law school and he was just a bartender and then a writer.

848
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,720
So anything is possible.

849
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:40,960
That's the rest, the not fictional character at all.

850
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:42,120
Right.

851
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,120
And that's a quote.

852
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:50,920
Oh, I cut myself off before I said, a story that was roughly half-truth.

853
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:51,920
At best.

854
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,680
Because, you know, the whole law school part of it was fake.

855
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:55,680
So what?

856
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,920
Like it's hard.

857
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:05,640
During this same period, he also had multiple residential properties.

858
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,400
And here's the thing.

859
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:12,680
Opens up a conversation about capitalism that I'm not prepared to have today.

860
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:18,480
But what I will do is tell you about some other things that this absolute douche canoe

861
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,240
did.

862
00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:26,240
Because you know, eat the rich and suffering of the poor, fatched with lies.

863
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:30,240
He posted a picture of himself to social media.

864
00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:32,240
Oh, wow.

865
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:37,880
Do you want to read what it says?

866
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,480
Would you be a deer?

867
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,080
It says, I'm hot and rich.

868
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,840
What's he standing in front of, Cassie?

869
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:51,720
The adult's best coffee.

870
00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:58,480
That one's for sure going into our, oh, man, I am hot and rich.

871
00:41:58,480 --> 00:41:59,480
Wait.

872
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,600
Oh, but behind him, it also says premium chicken.

873
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:11,320
So by March of 2007, he bought his mansion on Mercer Island.

874
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:19,240
The lakefront property cost him roughly $5.5 million, boasting a beautiful view of the

875
00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:21,400
Bellevue skyline.

876
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,840
Oh, love you.

877
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:31,240
I think he would have had to pay me $5.5 million to live there with him, though.

878
00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:36,080
He's really awful.

879
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,200
People are like, oh, OK, sure.

880
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,080
We believe you.

881
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,080
Is this the house?

882
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:44,080
Yeah.

883
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,960
Whoa, damn.

884
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,680
I mean, the price has gone up considerably.

885
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,280
Ooh, $11 million.

886
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:55,280
Wow.

887
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:56,280
I know.

888
00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:03,200
Is that a hot tub pool combo like an infinity?

889
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:04,200
Sure.

890
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:05,200
Probably.

891
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,200
Oh, yeah.

892
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:08,200
Jet skis.

893
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,120
Yep.

894
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:17,760
So other than just our own amusement, there was a reason that I showed you that.

895
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:24,400
To look at that property, I can easily believe that he just sunk a ton of money into it.

896
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:30,360
And those that talk to some of the contractors that worked on the property for him said that

897
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:37,200
sometimes they would redo projects or entire rooms multiple times.

898
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:44,960
Honestly, you can barely buy a postage stamp within a 100 mile radius of Portland or less

899
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,560
than $11 million.

900
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,560
So it's true.

901
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,960
You know, dreams.

902
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,200
Join our Patreon.

903
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:54,200
Yeah.

904
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,640
Fund our ridiculous dreams.

905
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:03,520
Listen, I'm not looking to buy a mansion, but if I could move into a tube bedroom, that

906
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:04,520
would be sick.

907
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:05,520
Yeah.

908
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:06,520
Right.

909
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:12,520
But I won't ever leave Portland and all likelihood because I do tend to prefer to live in a place

910
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,120
where I'm viewed as a person.

911
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:21,040
Yes, I am still mad about Roe v Wade for those of you that are keeping track.

912
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:26,680
And hypocritical right wing conservative nut jobs inserting their insidious tentacles into

913
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,680
our government healthcare and daily lives.

914
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,240
But I digress.

915
00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:36,560
Okay, let's find you guys.

916
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,440
It's totally fine.

917
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,760
Everything that's happening in Alabama is happening there.

918
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:46,560
So, Bamer, Bamer.

919
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:52,560
At any rate, Darren's swanky new place was located at, and you've already seen it so you know

920
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,480
she's swanky.

921
00:44:54,480 --> 00:45:00,400
But for those of you that maybe want to give her a gander, Zilla that shit, Zaloo.

922
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:07,240
In 1640, 72nd Avenue, Southeast, Mercer Island, Washington.

923
00:45:07,240 --> 00:45:10,760
Oh, they knew ya.

924
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:16,760
I mean it's on actual island because that would have been like, that's annoying.

925
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:17,760
Yeah.

926
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,600
But it does, it did have water, water source.

927
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,320
I know, but I feel like you have to have like probably hundreds of millions to be able

928
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,360
to have your own island.

929
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:27,360
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

930
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,800
In all likelihood.

931
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:36,800
And then, you know, the first thing you need to do is to get your own island.

932
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,800
And then, you know, you have to have your own island.

933
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,800
And then, you know, you have to have your own island.

934
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,800
And then, you know, you have to have your own island.

935
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,800
And then, you know, you have to have your own island.

936
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,800
And then, you know, you have to have your own island.

937
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,800
And then, you know, you have to have your own island.

938
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,800
No, let me rephrase that.

939
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,800
You got to spend someone else's money to make money, right?

940
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:04,800
That is correct.

941
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:05,800
There you go.

942
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:10,960
It's unfortunately factually more accurate.

943
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:18,800
One of his largest investors happens to also have been an investor with Bernie Madoff.

944
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,400
Have you ever heard of him?

945
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,760
It sounds familiar.

946
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,760
Not Bernie Sanders.

947
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:25,760
Different guy.

948
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,760
Yeah, very, very different guy.

949
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,760
Pretty much diametrically opposed Bernie's actually.

950
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,760
Just Bernie's not that common of a name.

951
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:36,760
Okay, who's Bernie?

952
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:37,760
Well, Bernie Madoff.

953
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,760
Listen, we're going to have to unpack that on our own time.

954
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,760
I think our listeners probably know who he is.

955
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:49,760
He perpetrated one of the largest Ponzi scams, I think, in probably be largest.

956
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:50,760
I don't know.

957
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,760
Not keeping tabs on Bernie.

958
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,760
Was he on American greed?

959
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:57,760
I don't know.

960
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,760
Maybe he was on the news a lot.

961
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,760
He was like 37 seasons, so it's possible.

962
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:11,760
Yeah, so he might have actually been a whole last season.

963
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:18,760
It was once the much larger Ponzi scheme was revealed at the height of the housing crisis

964
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:27,760
that this individual attempted to withdraw his investment, which, of course, Darren couldn't repay.

965
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:35,760
Because that's how Ponzi schemes were you get caught when you try to take their money back.

966
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:36,760
Yeah.

967
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:46,760
Other investors began to follow suit, which, of course, resulted in a different type of suit as in multiple allow suits.

968
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:58,760
Well, I guess he saw the writing on the wall, must have read the Wall Street Journal and realized that Ponzi schemes are really hard to carry off.

969
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:06,760
Like, certainly for as long as he'd been doing it, he was coming definitely to the end of his rope.

970
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:16,760
He reached out to the feds to confess his crimes and in July of 2010, he met and struck a deal with them.

971
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,760
Good old deal.

972
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:32,760
Mark Calvert was assigned as his bankruptcy trustee and he was not only unimpressed with Darren's scheme, but he did not come up for any of his bullshit.

973
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:33,760
Good.

974
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:38,760
Federal investigators learned that, "Actually, though."

975
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:43,760
You see, actually, though.

976
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:59,760
Darren had concealed approximately $400,000 from the trustees and later lied about the source of these funds when confronted by the trustee and his personal bankruptcy.

977
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,760
Hmm, which is not a good idea.

978
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:10,760
Despite claiming cooperation with bankruptcy trustees and his personal and corporate bankruptcies,

979
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:23,760
Berg was shown to be concealing the source of the funds and using the money for personal expenses, including luxury vehicles, apartment rent and legal fees.

980
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:28,760
And they were like, "That is not cool, dude."

981
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,760
I want to be in bankruptcy. It sounds great.

982
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,760
This is awesome.

983
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,760
I mean, the dude's got two jets, two yachts.

984
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,760
Like, he makes bankruptcy look pretty good.

985
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,760
A row of jet skis.

986
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:44,760
Yeah.

987
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:46,760
I don't know if that's true.

988
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:47,760
Yeah, no.

989
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,760
Rented for the photo.

990
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,760
You rentals.

991
00:49:53,760 --> 00:50:04,760
When the feds discovered that Darren was concealing said assets and an offshore account in Belize.

992
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:05,760
Yeah.

993
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:06,760
Yeah.

994
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,760
Got to get you one of those offshore accounts.

995
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,760
It's my fucking dream top one.

996
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,760
For nothing, Beliegal reasons.

997
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:14,760
Yeah.

998
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:15,760
You're like, "I just want one."

999
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:17,760
Sounds cool to say.

1000
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:18,760
Yeah.

1001
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,760
What am I up to?

1002
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,760
Nobody knows.

1003
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:30,760
When the feds discovered that Darren was concealing assets and an offshore account in Belize,

1004
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:39,760
despite his purported cooperation, authorities, they were like, "We're not mad.

1005
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,760
Just disappointed."

1006
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:47,760
But I think this next part may have pushed them over the edge.

1007
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:53,760
The funds that were continuing to come in were allegedly for consulting work.

1008
00:50:53,760 --> 00:51:02,760
Not exactly clear on what kind of consulting work Darren would have been doing at this point,

1009
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:12,760
but when the authorities investigated Darren's new client, he not only contradicted Darren's claims,

1010
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:18,760
but pointed to inconsistencies within the supposed contract.

1011
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:23,760
Like, Darren may have spelled the name of his client incorrectly.

1012
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,760
Oh boy.

1013
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,760
That's what I heard.

1014
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:39,760
Anywho, Darren was arrested in Los Angeles in October 2010, indicted in November 2010,

1015
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:43,760
and then he pled guilty in August of 2011.

1016
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,760
Dang, when did he go to LA?

1017
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:48,760
Really good question.

1018
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:56,760
Yeah, it seems like they were super concerned about like really ironing out all the details with Darren.

1019
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:03,760
Prosecutors lobbied for Darren to be remanded into custody, and the judge agreed to the request.

1020
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:14,760
And on October 21, 2010, that's when he was charged with concealing funds.

1021
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:23,760
Concealing funds from a bankruptcy trustee, which simultaneously, the lamest sounding charge,

1022
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,760
but also kind of the wildest at the same time.

1023
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:36,760
Yeah, like you're just like a wild silly little nerd, aren't you?

1024
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:43,760
August 2011, he pleads guilty to wire fraud, money laundering, and bankruptcy fraud.

1025
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:45,760
Apparently they take that shit.

1026
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,760
Rolls are as late.

1027
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:53,760
His sentencing hearing was held in February 2012.

1028
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:59,760
His sister spoke in his defense about childhood abuse during their formative years.

1029
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:10,760
She even claimed that he had developed an alter ego that she stated he'd never truly abandoned.

1030
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,760
Raw Taylor!

1031
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,760
At your service?

1032
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,760
I mean service.

1033
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,760
Is this a fight club situation?

1034
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,760
I mean, doesn't it kind of feel like it's spoiler alert?

1035
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,760
Well, that's okay.

1036
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,760
Tyler Durden.

1037
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:29,760
This is Rod Stewart.

1038
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:30,760
Wait, what's his name?

1039
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:31,760
Rod Taylor.

1040
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:32,760
Rod Taylor.

1041
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,760
It's a different guy.

1042
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,760
And he is real.

1043
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,760
Rod Taylor is this guy's Tyler Durden.

1044
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:41,760
Yeah, you know what?

1045
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:42,760
I kind of get that.

1046
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:43,760
I like it.

1047
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:44,760
It's close.

1048
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:45,760
Yeah.

1049
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:46,760
But it's not helpful.

1050
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:51,760
But we figured out the prosecution rest.

1051
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:59,760
Durden's mother said some pretty damning things about the victims in a letter to the judge.

1052
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:01,760
That's not nice.

1053
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,760
No, it's not great.

1054
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:08,760
It's got a real garbagey vibe, if I'm being honest.

1055
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:16,760
They too must be culpable for a small percentage of the guilt, as savvy investors for letting

1056
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:22,760
their greed overtake their reason.

1057
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,760
Investing is greedy now?

1058
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,760
Well, so here's the thing.

1059
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:38,760
The method at the back half here, he was specifically targeting investors that have to be like

1060
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:46,760
accredited and they have to have a certain amount of holdings to be able to qualify.

1061
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:47,760
Geez.

1062
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:58,760
Yeah, so you have to have like over a million dollars in specifically like these types of

1063
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:06,760
investment instruments or vehicles to be able to do what they were doing.

1064
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:16,760
So I mean, most of these people probably weren't about to end up homeless, although it was at the height of the housing crisis.

1065
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:24,760
So pretty much everybody was seconds away from being homeless, not in like right now.

1066
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:29,760
Arguably, there's so many people.

1067
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:34,760
I just think probably don't victim blame, because I think that's pretty obvious.

1068
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:36,760
But that's what she's doing.

1069
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:42,760
Yeah, I guess I can see how if they're already like super rich people, maybe we don't feel that bad for them, but yeah.

1070
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,760
But we're not talking about mega rich people.

1071
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:47,760
We're not talking about billionaires.

1072
00:55:47,760 --> 00:56:01,760
You know, we're talking about people that, yeah, I mean, but if they have over a million dollars in investments, that might be literally everything that they've worked for in their entire lives.

1073
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:06,760
They're retirement plans. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Okay.

1074
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:11,760
I'm not saying I don't feel bad for them. Oh, no, for sure. I feel like maybe we're.

1075
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,760
Examen a little biter could have that logic. Oh, for sure.

1076
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:22,760
And I think in a situation like this, there's so much nuance, right?

1077
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:26,760
You know, if they were billionaires, it would still be wrong what he did.

1078
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:34,760
I probably care like a lot less. You'd be like, I'm Robin Hood. Yeah, exactly.

1079
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:39,760
Robin. Why didn't he just do that? I know.

1080
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:49,760
Well, because Cassie having two jets and two yachts and an 11 million dollar home turns off a sproak spence ass.

1081
00:56:49,760 --> 00:57:05,760
Yeah, I guess, you know, at age 49, Frederick, Darren Berg of Washington was sentenced to 18 years in prison for wire fraud, money laundering and bankruptcy fraud.

1082
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:18,760
The amount of restitution, which was set to exceed over a hundred million dollars was supposed to be determined at an April 2012 court hearing.

1083
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:23,760
I also didn't target that thread because listen, it's about to go off the rails again.

1084
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:28,760
Oh, I was like supposed to be. Yeah.

1085
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:32,760
I don't know if he actually made it to that hearing or not.

1086
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:42,760
The funds represented that $245 million in investor money was invested in real estate contracts and real estate.

1087
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:49,760
However, the funds were actually elaborate Ponzi schemes, which we know at this point.

1088
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:59,760
Apparently, he did not get the memo that using investor money for a luxurious lifestyle was super uncle.

1089
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:14,760
At sentencing, US district judge Richard A. Jones told Berg he had reckless disregard for his victims and had no moral compass.

1090
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:21,760
Sounds about right? Darren got a good old spanking and he was sent off to his room with Alsober.

1091
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:27,760
I bet he was like, "Man, can they get a bus to spank me?" I know.

1092
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:39,760
Just to feed your rage, I've also got another special quote from the assistant special agent in charge of the FBI Seattle office.

1093
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:47,760
To feed his unadult rated grade, Mr. Berg took advantage of hopeful investors.

1094
00:58:47,760 --> 00:59:02,760
Many of them senior citizens who depended on their carefully built savings to afford assisted living, medical care, and higher educational opportunities for future generations.

1095
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:08,760
There it is. That sucks.

1096
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:23,760
Although this sentencing doesn't change the fact that many lives are brutally impacted by Mr. Berg's actions, the FBI is pleased that at least Mr. Berg will serve significant time for his crimes.

1097
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,760
18 years, do you see that?

1098
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:39,760
Okay. The FBI thinks all our state and federal agency partners for their contribution to a case that has significance for so many victims.

1099
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:46,760
Berg's actions impacted literally and unthinkably large victim pool.

1100
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,760
I mean, we're talking about hundreds of people.

1101
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:50,760
Damn.

1102
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:58,760
How many of whom were senior citizens as FBI guys said, "I hate that."

1103
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:02,760
Oh, it reminds me of what's the same.

1104
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:03,760
Oh.

1105
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:08,760
Yeah, it reminds me of Raul.

1106
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:30,760
He's targeting his victims from this vulnerable segment of society seems particularly cruel, knowing that many would be dependent on the savings that he had essentially squandered for assisted living as they continue to age, as well as other medical expenses.

1107
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:50,760
The case was investigated through combined efforts of the FBI, the Washington State Department of Financial Institutions, and the IRS criminal investigation then in turn was prosecuted by assistant United States Attorney Norman Barbosa.

1108
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:53,760
Barbosa.

1109
01:00:53,760 --> 01:01:02,760
Barbosa. He didn't piss off everybody, all of the alphabet within our government.

1110
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:11,760
In light of all this, you'd think that one staring was convicted, sentenced, and behind bars. That would be the end of the story, but it's not.

1111
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:29,760
Because the 55-year-old inmate, who was responsible for one of the largest Ponzi schemes in Washington State history and arguably the nation, escaped from the US penitentiary at Water Satellite Prism Camp.

1112
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:31,760
What?

1113
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:33,760
He a scoffede?

1114
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:35,760
He a scoffede.

1115
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:41,760
He a scoffede big time. So you weren't lying about the Bundy Bives earlier.

1116
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:59,760
For context, the workday for a typical prisoner at the Satellite Camp begins bright and early at 7.30 a.m. with a 30-minute break for lunch offering more respite than many unincarcerated Americans receive on the rigs.

1117
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:05,760
Ain't that the truth? It really is. I'm one of them today.

1118
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,760
What's a 30-minute lunch like?

1119
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:09,760
Yeah, I don't know.

1120
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,760
And then their workday, as it were, ends at roughly 3 p.m.

1121
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:15,760
[laughs]

1122
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:27,760
A half hour later, corrections officers conduct what's called a stand-up count. And the men must wait in their cubicles as guards, stride by and add them to their tally.

1123
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:41,760
So I'm sure it will come as little surprise that at about 3.30 p.m. on December 6th of 2017, prison officials realized that one of their inmates was missing.

1124
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:45,760
None other than Darren Berg.

1125
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:53,760
Though he wasn't considered a particularly dangerous prisoner, it's pretty infuriating.

1126
01:02:53,760 --> 01:03:03,760
Yeah, especially considering the fact that Darren was the third inmate to escape in 2017.

1127
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:08,760
Dang, you've got some holes in the perimeter here.

1128
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:12,760
I mean, there really is no perimeter. It's a satellite camp.

1129
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,760
So it's not like a real jail where they're in close?

1130
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:26,760
It's near a real jail. It's just so loose. Everything is just very loosey goosey compared to like, I don't know.

1131
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:31,760
The guy owns two fucking jets and two yachts.

1132
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:34,760
And you don't think he's a flight risk?

1133
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:36,760
That's interesting.

1134
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:38,760
I know, isn't it?

1135
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:40,760
Did they not compensate his jets?

1136
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:55,760
I believe that by the time he was carted off to prison, they were probably already in the process of being sold to compensate his victims.

1137
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:58,760
But I don't know that for a fact.

1138
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:02,760
But I do have some information about the other prisoners who escaped.

1139
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:17,760
Eric Pree, who was sentenced to eight years and five months for conspiracy to commit mail fraud, walked away from a minimum security camp at the prison on January 29th.

1140
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:24,760
He has never been found that I could find another inmate 26 year old.

1141
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:28,760
I'm thinking Guy Marra Cabrera Hernandez.

1142
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:30,760
I'm going to go with that.

1143
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:36,760
Escaped on May 12th, but was apprehended the next day.

1144
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:38,760
So he was caught.

1145
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:39,760
Yeah.

1146
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:51,760
Berg was described by prison officials as a six foot tall white male, brown hair, and green eyes weighing about 170 pounds.

1147
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:58,760
Based on my research, all 72 inches of him remains at large to this day.

1148
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,760
Where did he go?

1149
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,760
It's funny you say that.

1150
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:06,760
There's been a lot of speculation.

1151
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:13,760
There have been some social media posts that his boyfriend has been questioned about.

1152
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:16,760
Emails will sus.

1153
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:18,760
Interesting.

1154
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:34,760
I won't be surprised in the slightest if he pops back up on our radar one of these days after years of successfully evading authorities by living a quiet life as an expat of sorts in South America.

1155
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:39,760
Oh, I hear believes is lovely.

1156
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:41,760
So they do some I know where he's at.

1157
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:45,760
They don't know, but they have suspicion.

1158
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:47,760
Suspicious.

1159
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:56,760
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1160
01:05:56,760 --> 01:06:00,760
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1161
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:05,760
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1162
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:20,760
Magic Mirror on the wall. Who are the most rotten ones of all?

1163
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:25,760
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1164
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:32,760
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1165
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:42,760
Have no fear my prettyes, for we shall learn a lesson. Not only about their horrendous deeds, but also about our own power.

1166
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:48,760
Let's step out of the shadow of the past and help pull it towards the light.

1167
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:54,760
I am your host, Josh Waters, and I'll be the queen guiding you on our journey.

1168
01:06:54,760 --> 01:07:01,760
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1169
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:08,760
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1170
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:10,760
I couldn't sleep last night after listening.

1171
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:13,760
This podcast is genuinely scary.

1172
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:15,760
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1173
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:19,760
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1174
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:23,760
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1175
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:27,760
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1176
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:34,760
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1177
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:45,760
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1178
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:49,760
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1179
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:52,760
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1180
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:57,760
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1181
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:00,760
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1182
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:06,760
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1183
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:09,760
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1184
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:12,760
And don't worry, we did get more wine.

1185
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:16,760
Well, of course.

1186
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,760
Do you like me money tray?

1187
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:24,760
It felt like probably the right vibe for Darren.

1188
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:26,760
What did that quote say on his photo?

1189
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:27,760
Tell me about...

1190
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:30,760
I'm hot and in red.

1191
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:33,760
Hot and in red.

1192
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:38,760
Okay, well now she's just manifesting.

1193
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:40,760
Oh boy!

1194
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:42,760
Did we get a goodie?

1195
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:43,760
I don't know.

1196
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:49,760
In this context, I'm just... I don't know, king of cubs.

1197
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:51,760
Okay, it's a toidal.

1198
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:52,760
It's a toidal.

1199
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:55,760
You did live on the water.

1200
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:58,760
Excellent, excellent point.

1201
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:08,760
Okay, keywords are benevolence, culture, creativity, emotional warmth and protection.

1202
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:12,760
In many decks, this king sits on a throne.

1203
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:17,760
Of wise.

1204
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:20,760
And where's Rich Garmin's and a crown.

1205
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:26,760
He usually appears as a benevolent authority, a father figure.

1206
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:30,760
Who rules kindly and fairly.

1207
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:33,760
I feel like that's not right.

1208
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:34,760
It's not.

1209
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:39,760
It's certainly not accurate if we're talking about Darren.

1210
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:40,760
Weird.

1211
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:41,760
Huh.

1212
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:47,560
In a reading, the king of cubs may signify an actual person.

1213
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:53,760
When he does, it's generally a mature man who's cultured and knowledgeable in the arts.

1214
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:56,520
Is this rod?

1215
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:58,320
You know who I think?

1216
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:03,760
If we had to pick a person, I think this is his bankruptcy trustee.

1217
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:07,120
But, I'm just saying.

1218
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:15,120
When the king of cubs appears upright, he represents strong emotions and creative talent.

1219
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:19,240
Oh, here we go.

1220
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:26,120
If he represents a real person, it's someone who wants to be loved and admired.

1221
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:27,120
Okay.

1222
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:28,120
Yeah.

1223
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:30,120
Holy shit.

1224
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:40,120
We may go to great lengths to gain your attention and affection.

1225
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:41,120
We still got it.

1226
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:46,120
Although he's easily hurt, he may not show it and can hold a grudge.

1227
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:47,120
Okay.

1228
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:48,120
Yeah.

1229
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:49,120
I could see that.

1230
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:50,120
All right.

1231
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:53,120
With his dad changing the name and the things.

1232
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:54,120
Yeah.

1233
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:55,120
Oh, damn.

1234
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:56,120
I didn't even think about that.

1235
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:57,120
I did.

1236
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:58,120
Oh.

1237
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:00,200
All the way.

1238
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:06,520
He can be rather indulgent and controlling, but his friends can count on his support and

1239
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:10,120
protection because he steals money to lend them yachts.

1240
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:11,120
Yeah.

1241
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:16,280
And fly his boyfriend to beliefs allegedly.

1242
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:25,120
In a reading about money, the king can mean receiving money through a creative venture.

1243
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:31,120
It may suggest your emotions are influencing a financial matter.

1244
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:35,120
Sometimes it represents a financial backer.

1245
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:39,120
Oh, maybe hundreds of them.

1246
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:40,120
Yeah.

1247
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:43,000
My thoughts exactly.

1248
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:51,120
If the reading is about your job, the king can describe a creative occupation while.

1249
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:58,120
Oh, however, he may indicate you're longing for something better.

1250
01:11:58,120 --> 01:11:59,120
Oh.

1251
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:00,120
Yeah.

1252
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:02,120
Perhaps you've grown complacent.

1253
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:07,120
Well, I wouldn't say that last bit.

1254
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:16,120
In a question about love, this card represents a deeply emotional, committed, and romantic relationship.

1255
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:20,120
It can suggest jealousy and possessiveness.

1256
01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:26,120
However, or a need for more trust and openness.

1257
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:27,120
Oh boy.

1258
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:28,120
Okay.

1259
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:35,480
So in the reverse, I'm just going to read this first part because yikes.

1260
01:12:35,480 --> 01:12:43,000
The reverse king shows emotional turmoil, insecurity, and defensiveness.

1261
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:48,960
If he represents a real person, he can be manipulative.

1262
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:56,040
Be controlling and vindictive.

1263
01:12:56,040 --> 01:13:00,280
This card suggests dissatisfaction and frustration.

1264
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:02,800
I can see all that.

1265
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:06,120
Did you spot anything good in her?

1266
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:13,480
I can read this thing just for shits and giggles, just for shits and gigs.

1267
01:13:13,480 --> 01:13:20,480
He swam steadily, progressing through the water at a pace that felt both painstaking and inevitable.

1268
01:13:20,480 --> 01:13:25,880
He found that if he dove deep enough and stayed down long enough, that he could forget the

1269
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:29,480
laughing waves and glaring sunlight on the surface.

1270
01:13:29,480 --> 01:13:31,480
Oh boy.

1271
01:13:31,480 --> 01:13:33,120
Interesting.

1272
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:37,240
He was centered and his perspective shifted.

1273
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:39,360
He did not move through the water.

1274
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:42,120
The water passed around him.

1275
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:43,840
He was not diving deeper.

1276
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:47,160
The surface was simply receding above him.

1277
01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:52,120
He was not moving down into a level of higher pressure.

1278
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:57,360
The water was collecting above him with its reassuring weight.

1279
01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:02,200
With his metabolism slowed, he spent what felt like a lifetime down there.

1280
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:03,200
Hmm.

1281
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:06,800
It kind of seems like someone like hiding out.

1282
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:07,800
Yeah.

1283
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:11,400
Just like getting buried under time.

1284
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:12,400
Interesting.

1285
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:13,400
Yeah.

1286
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:22,120
Well, should we go ahead and light this honey on fire like we planned?

1287
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:25,480
Bitch get out my house.

1288
01:14:25,480 --> 01:14:28,320
Pour one out for the homies, am I right?

1289
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:33,680
Listen, that ain't my homie.

1290
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:36,080
Does Belize have sea turtles?

1291
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:37,080
Okay.

1292
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:38,680
You know they've got to, right?

1293
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:41,360
It just seems like tropical turtles.

1294
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:44,320
I'm like, is that even on the water Belize?

1295
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:45,680
I don't know.

1296
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:48,200
I love when we look stuff up because sometimes we don't.

1297
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:49,920
And then after I'm like, ah.

1298
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:50,920
Okay.

1299
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:54,120
I'm going to look deeper into this just for my own amusement.

1300
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:59,560
But this website, the headline is "Swimming with Wonder."

1301
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:02,840
The enchanting sea turtles of Belize.

1302
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:03,840
Oh.

1303
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:04,840
Wow.

1304
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:05,840
Yeah.

1305
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:06,840
That's totally fitting.

1306
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:08,000
Listen.

1307
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:10,840
The Fantastic Four.

1308
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:18,920
Belize is a paradise for not one, not two, but four species of sea turtles.

1309
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:26,720
From the majestic loggerhead to the elegant green sea turtle, the charming hawksbill, and

1310
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:28,560
the charismatic leatherback.

1311
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:30,560
That's what this is.

1312
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:31,560
What?

1313
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:32,560
A leatherback sea turtle.

1314
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:33,560
Stop it.

1315
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:34,560
It's P&W.

1316
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:42,600
Well, I mean, I think there are like a lot of other marine animals that like they probably

1317
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:47,760
migrate for, you know, are native to multiple different areas.

1318
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:48,760
Interesting.

1319
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:49,760
Yep.

1320
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:51,960
That's what that is.

1321
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:57,800
Belize's warm waters offer a haven for these incredible beings.

1322
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:01,800
And also that shitsack, Darren, potentially.

1323
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:02,800
Okay.

1324
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:03,800
Should we do our thing?

1325
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:07,960
That really, we really went somewhere.

1326
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:10,080
A lot of places.

1327
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:11,080
Not please.

1328
01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:13,600
P&W, Humps and Homicides after dark.

1329
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:16,240
But we're not humping buses.

1330
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:19,880
But, girl, we serve that.

1331
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:23,880
Oh, my God.

1332
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:26,440
Have a creepy ass day.

1333
01:16:26,440 --> 01:16:28,440
See you next Tuesday.

1334
01:16:28,440 --> 01:16:36,560
Unless you're a busfucker, unless you're busy with the tailpipe.

1335
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:40,840
We don't want to see any of you creepy people on my strange addiction.

1336
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:41,840
Please.

1337
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:43,840
I wasn't speaking to them.

1338
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:46,840
I'm so stressed with their show.

1339
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:47,840
Maybe I don't know.

1340
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:50,080
Actually, I don't know that I'm doing that either.

1341
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:51,080
No.

1342
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:52,080
Never mind.

1343
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:53,080
J.K.

1344
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:54,080
Stop that.

1345
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:55,080
Shut it down.

1346
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:56,080
We just want you all to be healthy.

1347
01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:57,080
Okay.

1348
01:16:57,080 --> 01:17:04,080
Be healthy like us.

1349
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:08,040
Yeah, that's weird.

1350
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:09,040
You're weird.

1351
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:11,040
Anybody ever tell you that?

1352
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:14,520
Every day of my day I'm alive.

1353
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:16,640
I look in the mirror and I say you're weird. (www.pnwhauntsandhomicides.com)