The Everett Massacre | The Voyage of the Verona, Everett, WA

0:01 Everett was a major exporter of red cedar shingles, and in 1910, the men who made them considered themselves well-paid at about $ 4. 50 a day, roughly twice what workers in the logging camps earned, but the work was brutal for those 10-hour shifts. The saws were fast, unguarded, and built for production rather than safety, and the mills were dark and damp. Because when you have someone in dark, dank, working conditions for long 10-hour shifts where their hands are completely unprotected, what could possibly go wrong? Hi, Cassie and Taylin. Hi, Caitlin. Hi, creepy people.

0:44 Hello! Hello! This is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we chat about true crime, the paranormal... and everything spooky and sometimes historical in the Pacific Northwest. Or the PNW, if you're nasty. If you're nasty. I know, I was like, somebody's going to want to tag in on that one, I feel. We also do a little tarot reading at the end of every episode for a little bit of deeper insight into our topic. All right. Heavily financed by East Coast investors, Everett, Washington was planned and built up as an industrial city that would proudly be known as the City of Smokestacks for decades. I'm not really sure how I feel about that nickname. I just, it just kind of feels like City of Roses. Like it has a ring to it.

1:44 I'm not trying to hate or yuck anybody's yum, but I'm like. I went somewhere dirty in my mind and I decided to just keep my mouth shut. Keep that to yourself. I thought of like smokestack sounds like a breakfast food. Like I'll take the smokestacks. I'm like, that sounds good. Yeah. Like flapjacks. Yeah. With like bacon or something. What would a smokestack be? Yeah. Maybe like crispy potato something. Yeah. Something about the smoke does make me think it would also involve bacon. So whether it's some type of a potato dish or Yeah, yeah, I think so. All right.

2:26 Yeah, I have to go. There's a breakfast burrito calling my name in the fridge. Yeah, I was really excited about this episode because you talked it up so much, but it turns out I have to go. I'm hungry. My Uber Eats is here. Goodbye. Everett was about two to three hours north of Seattle by steamship. On Port Gardner Bay, an arm of the larger Possession Sound. Possession Sound. I might not know anything about the PNW. What is the Possession Sound? That's just the name of the sound. just possession sound.

3:06 Oh, it's not based off any fun stories or. I don't know. I couldn't pull it that thread. Ouija board experiences. Well, I did. I did when I like started really like actually writing the case after I had done all of my research. I was like, I have to include possession sound. Yeah. Its first industries included a paper mill, a nail factory, metal refinery, as well as shipbuilding. specifically cargo vessels called whalebacks, the name owing to their unique design, which they basically just kind of look anatomically a little bit like a whale, like they look like the nose of a whale.

3:49 That makes sense, right? If you're making a water vessel, why not model it after the OG water vessels? Yeah, the OG water. I love that. By 1910, the waterfront at the Everett City Dock was surrounded by shipbuilders, a cannery, and a flour mill, though the local economy was increasingly driven by the lumber and shingle trades. Like, shingles were kind of a big deal. I had no idea. So while we're on the topic of lumber and logging and shingles and all things, uh, woodcrafting, if you will, um, Of logging camp workers, it was commonly said that you smelled them before you heard them. Oh. And heard them before you saw them.

4:42 Oh, my God. There were so many comments made about the particular aromatic quality of the logging camp workers and lumbermen. There is something about people who work with wood. And it is various odors that I don't know if they just get so I logging is different, but I've known and worked alongside woodworkers and carpenters. And I'm just like, do you just lose track of the time? Like, are you not like, I was like, how can that smell have the cue? It surely that didn't happen in two hours, you know?

5:24 Right. So intense. How did you go about acquiring this particular odor? I was wondering, is it just like BO or is there like a wood scent? It's like this really interesting hybrid scent. Like if you work around like construction and like specifically woodworking or anything like that. Yeah, it's a very particular scent. Yeah. Interesting. And it ain't no Chanel number five. Power in town was concentrated in a small circle of mill owners and, of course, the aforementioned wealthy financiers. Some of the major names among mill owners of the day were Neil Jamison, David Clough, who was a former governor of Minnesota before he came out West. His son-in-law, Roland Hartley, would be elected mayor of Everett before serving in the Washington State House of Representatives, and eventually going on to serve two terms as governor of the state. So we're, I mean, we're talking about some, it's like wealthy white men, and then also politically like very powerful people of the time. Yeah.

6:49 Then there were timber barons like Fred Baker and Joe Irving, as well as William Butler, a prominent banker. Together with other businessmen of the Everett Commercial Club, These men held enormous influence over city government and, as 1916 would show, over law enforcement. Oh, no. Yeah. I'm shocked. I know. And, you know, I thought, damn it, I'm sure this has no relevance to our current modern era, but I'm going to tell the story anyway. At the same time, Everett was a deeply union town of roughly... 30,000 residents, one of the most heavily unionized cities in the country at the time, because a lot of trades, dozens of trades in that very small hub in Washington. That's awesome. Yeah.

7:50 A 1904 city directory lists about 30 different trades unions, from barbers and bartenders to longshoremen, machinists, and Shingle weavers. Ooh, is that what they're called? Yeah, don't worry. I'm gonna get to it. It's so mystical. Right? Shingle weavers. Yeah. And I would say that, unfortunately, the mystical vibe really begins and ends with the name in relation to what I will be discussing today. But, you know, live in that for the now. Enjoy that while you can. A union newspaper, the Labor Journal, began publishing in January 1909.

8:35 So that was based in the area as well. The combination of powerful business elite and a strongly organized working class sharing one small waterfront city would eventually become a pressure cooker. And I just can't understand why. That's so funny because Something that I noticed out of anything among the people in New York, like one of the biggest things that stood out to me was like going to see a play. I saw a play on Broadway. And one of the things that stood out to me was how people from all socioeconomic backgrounds are in just shared spaces together and walking side by side. And it's like someone who is like broke and just making ends meet is going to see the same show. And it's just like a row behind someone who has an ungodly amount of money.

9:25 You know, like. Yeah. Kind of a melting pot. So, but that's a big city. That's a big city. I cannot imagine what that would be like in a small town. Yeah. Where you know the person. They're not just a stranger that is wealthy while you're a broke stranger. It's like. Right. You know them. You just see like these very elite people within society living such a different life. Yeah. Yeah. Economic changes helped to set the stage as well. The First World War would bring growing unemployment and wartime inflation. So while lumber boomed in 1912, 1914 and 1915 brought a deep regional depression. Around this same time, the International Union of Shingle Weavers had presented mill owners with a demand for a reduced income. eight-hour workday because they were obviously super greedy. Shingle weavers saw their pay scale cut after mill owners posted a 20% wage decrease and announced the shops were open. Many took non-union work and some reportedly looked to jail. They literally just tried to get arrested to have room and board.

10:44 Holy shit. I mean, it's not so different from today. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, to get health care, all kinds of things. Oh, yeah. No, I mean, it's if you're in a desperate position, it's maybe I'm not advising. Three hots and a cot. Oh, my God. Three hots and a cot. Yeah, you're not wrong. Several of the mill owners were also carrying debt on the mills, which made them especially unwilling to give ground when the workers organized in 1916. Everett was a major exporter of red cedar shingles, and in 1910, the men who made them considered themselves well-paid at about $ 4. 50 a day, roughly twice what workers in the logging camps earned, but the work was brutal for those 10-hour shifts. The saws were fast, unguarded, and built for production rather than safety, and the mills were dark and damp. Because when you have someone in dark, dank working conditions for long 10-hour shifts where their hands are completely unprotected, what could possibly go wrong? Am I right?

11:58 This is how we get bandaged, man. There is a photo of a shingle weaver that this man has far more bandage than fingers. Oh, God. Accidents were so common that that it was said you could recognize a shingle weaver by his missing fingers. Wow. The saws were not the only danger, cutting cedar through clouds of fine dust into the air and workers breathed in all day. No masks? In what, 1909 or whatever you said? They didn't even wear gloves in hospitals until like the 80s or something. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

12:42 No. It's just not a thing. We couldn't get people to wear masks during the pandemic. That's true. So, yeah, I'm sure that, you know, maybe if there were individual people that realized that it was more comfortable to work with like a handkerchief or something over their face, you know, nothing was stopping them. But the resulting lung condition was known as cedar asthma. And for many, it meant a slow, agonizing death. My lungs fucking hurt right now. I know. Yeah. I was like cedar asthma. That's asthma in and of itself. Like not ideal. I don't personally love it for myself or anyone, but.

13:23 I'm picturing like little splinters in your lungs. Yes, dude. The particulates. I don't. I can't. I can't. We have to move on. Okay. Strictly speaking, a shingle weaver was the worker who stacked and bundled the finished shingles. And I saw in the documentary that I watched for this, somebody doing it in like modern times. And I felt my heart rate just go through the roof. And then I swear to God, I felt it like kind of go just stop for a second because like I was so stressed out about this guy. I'm like, oh, his fingers. So it was a job whose speed and dexterity resembled a skilled weaver at a loom. but, you know, with more missing fingers.

14:13 Over time, though, the name came to cover everyone in the shingle mills, including sawyers, filers, and packers. The union's leader in Everett was Ernest Marsh, who by 1909 was executive secretary of the Shingle Weavers Union, president of the Everett's Trades Council, and editor of the Labor Journal. Marsh was a traditional trades unionist aligned with the American Federation of Labor, and he was kind of uncomfortable with some other groups like the socialists and the wobblies. The wobblies. Wobblies. That's cute. The wobblies.

14:53 You guys, I am going to have so many opportunities to say wobblies tonight, and I'm going to try not to giggle every time. How can you not? I don't know. So that tension, though, it kind of matters later. The strike at the heart of the story was not really specific to the Wobblies, but we're going to keep seeing them. Just keep that in mind. There were people that were actually part of the origination. They're part of the particular workers group. They had the beef. They had the issues. They wanted the shorter hours. They wanted better pay, better working conditions. And the whole cause kind of gets taken in a different direction. An equally valid complaint and concern, but does kind of feel a little bit like, oh, well, that's a bummer. They just kind of took over your thing. They stole your thunder.

15:57 In January 1916, as the war in Europe raged on, Shingle prices rose. Marsh set out to rebuild the statewide Shingle Weavers Union, this time as something closer to an industrial union that would take in every worker in the mills. So it would be massive. And I don't necessarily have a ton of experience with unions, but my understanding is that typically the more members you have, the more power you tend to have. Or abuse. Right. Yeah. It can go a lot of different ways. The union set a deadline of May 1st for a return to the 1914 wage scale. Now, can you imagine being in 1916 and you're about to go on strike because they are refusing to return you to the wages that you were being paid two years prior?

16:54 When you say return to those wages, sorry, were you saying that it's because they were they not being paid at this point? They were being paid, but what had happened was the mill owners basically announced that they were going to decrease wages by 20%. Oh. So they've already taken a pay cut, and they're like, we kind of just want to go back to what you were doing before that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, God. So that's kind of where we're at. The union set a deadline of May 1st for a return to the 1914 wage scale. The raise the owners had promised by handshake during the downturn to take effect once the market recovered.

17:37 So they had literally said, we will return the wages to what you were making before. And then they didn't when the price of shingles went back up. Most mills across the state agreed. So... that kind of adds even more insult to injury because it's like, okay, so you're going against your word and almost every other mill all over the state is doing what was agreed, but Everett's owners did not. Led by David Clough, Clough, Clough, Clough, who cares? Led by David Clough, Roland Hartley and other Republican millmen, they reneged on that promise, refused the union's demands for a closed shop, an eight-hour day, and better conditions, and actually would not even meet with its representatives. They were like, we actually don't even want to talk to you.

18:36 You can't sit with us. That same January, statewide prohibition took effect in Washington, closing the saloons and breweries, Though the law was not yet bone dry, liquor could still be had on a doctor's prescription or a personal permit. And drugstores multiplied almost overnight to fill the gap. So alcohol was still very much available. Prescription for jello shots, please. No, no jello shots. On May 1st, 1916, Everett's. Shingle weavers walked out. with Marsh himself heading the strike committee.

19:19 This was also the date that Republicans endorsed Roland Hartley for governor, though he would lose that fall. Because I think if you go against such a huge contingent of your local population, I just, I can't imagine how you expect to win, but whatever. You'd think. Yeah. There's plenty of delusional men in politics. I don't think I have to explain that. Sheriff McRae... donated $ 25 to the strike fund of the Shingle Weavers. And I make a point of saying this because on the face of things, the local sheriff and deputies were actually very pro-union men themselves.

20:02 They were big supporters of the unions and of the different trades. But Some shit goes down and it's going to be a real reversal. Eventually, they actually give the sheriff his $ 25 back. The strike goes on for a long time and people could definitely not afford to not have money in the fund, but they were like, fuck you so hard. As the dispute wore on, radical labor organizers began arriving in Everett. Some mills brought in replacement workers and even hired guards to protect them. The Industrial Workers of the World formed in Chicago in 1905 with the goal of organizing all workers into one big union.

20:53 And this is the organization that the members are referred to as Wobblies. Where the AFL organized skilled workers, Craft by craft, which could leave a dozen separate unions inside a single plant and the unskilled workers in none of them, the IWW wanted every worker in every trade regardless of skill, sex, or nationality in the same organization. Because numbers, like we said, typically power. The Wobblies were openly anti-capitalist, and in the Pacific Northwest, they found particular success among loggers and other migratory workers. You know, it's because we're so radical. The IWW found its first local cause in 1912, when temporary non-union workers hired by the Great Northern Railway to clear a mudslide could not get their paychecks cashed in town.

21:53 Like a literal mudslide? Yeah, a literal mudslide. Oh, wow. The Wobblies backed them, and on February 18, 1913, the city passed Ordinance No. 1501, which restricted where people could speak along Hewitt Avenue. which was kind of an important place. I'm going to like briefly touch on it again, but just know that that's where people were always going to be like, I got some shit to say. The IWW saw Everett as a chance to rebuild its own membership by supporting the Shingle Weavers, even though, strictly speaking, no one had invited them. So they're like, So you guys are like having a party and they're like, well, it's not really so much a party as like a strike. And they're like, oh, OK, well, like we'll totally be there. And they're like, hmm, well, so like the thing is, actually, we kind of think you guys are crazy.

22:54 They're like, no, it's BYOB. Let's go. Awkward. The mill owners already at war with Marsha's union regarded the Wobblies as anarchists and saboteurs. And they turned to the sheriff. In September 1916, with the strike and the IWW campaign both underway, the city passed a much tougher ordinance, number 1746, clearly intended to push the Wobblies a block off Hewitt and out of public view. Go over there. Caitlin, who was driving that ordinance? Realistically, like the mill owners. Okay. Okay.

23:35 The traditional free speech corner at Hewitt and Wetmore was now off limits. The very corner that the Wobblies would be trying to reach come November 5th, a short time later that year. So Hewitt and Wetmore, like, it's so funny to hear, like, all of the historians talking about it because it's such a significant, like, it's, it feels like, what did they deliver the Gettysburg address there? Oh, wait, no, that was Gettysburg. But they're like trying to explain why this like one street corner in Everett was like so significant. But it's like that is just where like people gathered for public speaking. Like the town square, right?

24:17 Like that's. Yeah. I mean, really? Yeah. It just but it just literally became this like designated corner where everybody would just go and like kind of like have these different like discussions or like there would actually be like specific public speakers. I love that. Like, yeah, I really love the things that we figure out in society, like as just, yeah, I wonder how that started. Who was the first person? Yeah. So now we're going to talk about the soapbox arrests. On July 31st, 1916, James Rowan spoke to a large crowd in Everett. He was pulled off the platform, taken to the county jail, but later released with a warning. And the warnings were generally something like get the fuck out of town. And the warnings may have also come with like some physical incentives frequently to, you know, go ahead and GTFO. On August 19th, mill owner Neil Jamison brought in strike breakers who clubbed strikers at his mill And the Shingle Weavers Union publicly blamed the sheriff for failing to step in or stop it. You know, because that's definitely physical assault.

25:41 But I guess when rich people do it, maybe there's different rules. There always is. On August 22nd, James Thompson measured off the required 50 feet from Hewitt Avenue, set up his platform and spoke for about 20 minutes before the sheriff dragged him down. So they were like, you have to be that far away from the street corner. And he was like, bet. Hold my beer. Oh, he whipped out his measuring tape. Just doing a little bit of dick measuring. Rowan took his place and was also arrested. Other speakers followed and were arrested literally one after another. They.

26:23 Actually gave more names, and I'm skipping a couple because it kind of becomes a little bit like a Greek tragedy. Oh, wow. Then a local woman named Latilsia Fai, and I hope I'm pronouncing her name right. It is such a pretty name. The way, like, how it's spelled out, I'm like, she is definitely like a fairy or a witch. Like, she's mystical. I know it. She climbed onto the platform and after receiving a nod from one of the officers, began reading the Declaration of Independence. Very nice. Yeah. So they've literally just done a series of arrests of people that hopped up to the platform to speak. And they're like, you don't get to speak. You don't get to speak. They're like the anti-Oprah of public speaking right now. And then this woman hops up and she's reading this. reciting essentially the Declaration of Independence, for which she got the approval from one of the officers. But as she spoke, the officers began to approach her. Though she did manage to flee, she had two small children to support and really couldn't afford to be arrested, but would later provide testimony at a particular trial that grew from this and other demonstrations.

27:52 On August 29th, mill owner neil jameson like this guy am i right he's just like seems like kind of a dick i'm i'm gonna go out on a limb and just say um so anyways on august 29th mill owner neil jameson marched his strike breakers to the everett theater in a show of defiance and an escalating series of confrontations followed including a riot allegedly in front of the theater As the crackdown intensified, a meaningful shift happened in town. Trade unionists and ordinary residents who had no love for the IWW's politics began speaking up for the Wobblies' right to speak and against the sheriff's methods. And of course, the mill owners, because I feel like the sheriff catches a lot of shit on this whole situation.

28:48 But like, let's be real. They are like the Bezos and, you know, who's the, I don't know, there's too many billionaires as it is. That's who they are. Sheriff McRae publicly called for 500 volunteers to keep the peace, and members of the commercial club were sworn in as deputies. So, you know, in a town of about 30,000 people, he just casually deputized several hundred citizen volunteers who were aligned with the political and financial interests of the political and, you know, just the elites. So people have been doing this.

29:29 Yeah. So it's kind of like a thing. Yeah. They began meeting incoming boats to screen arrivals and anyone wearing an IWW button got a quick escort to the city limits. Jesus. The sheriff also hired, through Pinkerton, an operative named George Reese to infiltrate the IWW hall immediately. all the way down in Seattle and report back to him and the commercial club and, you know, his citizen cronies now deputized. It is 17 shades of holy fucking what the shit is this. On the evening of October 30th, 1916, a boatload of 41 Wobblies, most of them seasonal workers who had been working the harvests left Seattle for Everett intending to speak at Hewitt and Wetmore. The sheriff had been tipped off. When they reached the city dock, they were met by a large force of armed deputies who told them they could only speak at a location away from the center of town. The Wobblies refused, and some were beaten right there on the dock. It's like ice.

30:47 I'm sorry, but this is reminding me of ice. I didn't want to be the first one to say it. I didn't want to be the first one to say it, but it needs to be said. Honestly, there are so many connections to like all of these different elements of like corruption and abuse within so many systems of our country that like ice isn't even one. That was like the last one that I thought of. It's true, but it's like happening now. Yeah. The deputies then loaded the men into trucks and cars and drove them southeast of town to a remote wooded spot near the Beverly Park interurban railway station, close to where today's interurban trail crosses Beverly Boulevard. So, Beverly Park.

31:34 In the dark of the cold, rainy night, the deputies formed two lines running from the road to the railroad tracks and forced the Wobblies to run between them. one at a time, to a cattle guard at the end of the line. Each man was beaten as he passed, with clubs, guns, and all kinds of other crazy shit. Just whatever makeshift weapons that these deputies... Jesus. Yeah. Jack Miller, who ran it, later remembered being hit with cudgels, sawed-off billiard cues, clubs, and pistol butts. When it was over, the injured men were left to make their way back to Seattle however they could. Like the Twilight Tours?

32:19 Yeah, exactly. That's crazy. There's so many connections to this that like I couldn't even fully process just because I was so focused on the research and writing. But the thing that actually really even further supports what you guys are saying about like this just feels like such a parallel and a connection to like the modern times and what we're seeing with eyes. The thing about the IWW is that in a lot of these trades and amongst the union workers, so many of them were immigrants. I mean, you even see that like in unions today, like I'm going to use Starbucks as an example because that's what Aspen went through.

33:03 But like, yeah, so many members of that union are like trans or people of color. And like, you know, these are marginalized groups that don't even, they don't get the time of day or they're reprimanded directly for participating in union activities. But, you know, it's cloaked because they can't actually fire you for participating in union activities. Right. They'll find something else. They'll just give you a last and final without a first warning, basically. It's like, it's crazy. But yeah, same thing. Same groups of people. Yeah. It's not exclusively, of course. you know, the unions are a lot broader than that. But it's just like, it's crazy sometimes how much hasn't changed.

33:47 Yeah. I mean, really, everything changes and then somehow nothing ever really changes. In some ways, it's like just, it's so parallel to even more than what I could really like fully intellectually and like emotionally process as I was like researching writing. It's just like, oh, yeah. It's a little it's a little bit overwhelming to think about it through like the modern lens. Word of what happened spread through Everett the next morning and many residents were furious. Actually, there were some accounts and I just feel like some of them may have been like really dramatized reports. But there were people that lived, you know, within a quarter mile of where that took place. And they said that they could hear people screaming, like people living in those like kind of the outskirts of Everett. How true that is, I couldn't say, but like it's a horrifying thought that like even that night that they were hearing it occurring.

34:55 An investigating committee went out to the site and even after a night of hard rain, they found the ground and the interurban tracks stained with blood. though some of those included in the investigating committee were far from friendly to the IWW or the Wobblies. Their report to the State Federation of Labor stated that nothing could excuse or justify such an inhumane punishment. I mean, when you got people from the other aisle switching sides, the whole look, there's another parallel. Yeah, I was just thinking that. McRae and his deputies denied knowing what had happened. And McRae claimed he had left the Wobblies to go dancing at the Elks Club. I hate when people play dumb. Yeah.

35:46 I fucking hate it so much. The obvious lie and the playing ignorant, it makes me madder than anything. I would rather them just say proudly, oh yeah, we did that. Well, you think you want that, right? In 2016, you thought you wanted that at least, maybe. Yeah. And then you're like, oh, shit. I just mean the like the lying. Yeah. That is so. It's so insulting. Yeah. Within days, handbills appeared all over Everett, signed only committee, inviting the citizens of Everett to a meeting at the corner of Hewitt and Wetmore at 2 p.m. on Sunday, November 5th, to help defend their constitutional rights. Both sides now knew exactly when and where the next confrontation would occur. Also, I should probably say handbills. Basically, they were just like handing out little flyers and there were posters and stuff. I don't know why old timey names for things. You said handbills, right?

36:52 Like a playbill. Yeah, I think that like it implies that a lot of them They weren't necessarily like posters is kind of an overstatement because definitely any posters because this had already happened. The sheriff and his deputies had already gone around town and torn down posters in the past. So handbills would have been a little bit, you know, more discreet. Makes sense. But not dollar dollar bills. Dalla dolla bail, y'all. Well, that's the whole problem, Cassie. Yeah, that's not. Yeah, yeah, no. Mo' money, mo' problems. On the morning of November 5th, about 300 Wobblies gathered at the IWW Hall in Seattle and marched to the waterfront, where they boarded two steamers from Puget Sound's Mosquito Fleet, the Verona and the Calista. Many of them left their union cards and other belongings at the hall before they went. Reportedly, red pepper was dispensed to the departing demonstrators should they need to use it because they were literally just going to throw red pepper in people's faces if they were being attacked. Which sounded made up, but it was a historical documentary that told me this. That's not that different than mace.

38:09 Like red pepper flakes or like powder or like full peppers. Yeah, I just was like, I am so confused. I was like, that sounds like it should be fake. Did they have mace cans back then? Like that technology, though? I don't think so. I don't think so. Yeah. Others broke up chairs in the hall to make clubs. And according to most accounts, a smaller segment of the men, roughly two dozen, carried firearms, though the exact number is not confirmed. On the way north, they sang union songs, including Holding the Fort. So I just want you to picture this. There's like a big group of dudes that are all on a boat. I'm on a boat. And they are singing songs together. And they're going to be showing up at the dock. And they're like, we're going to go fight for free speech. And they are jolly as shit. And you know what? They're doing it all huddled around a piano because the Verona was a fancy-ass ship, and it did indeed have a piano on board.

39:18 Wow. How did they swing that ship? That is some fancy-ass shit. It was a commercial steamer, so it was like a just a typical passenger steamship that's awesome i know and it made me think of the queen mary too i'm like so many creepy boats you guys oh my god you're cutting out what the fuck She's fucking haunted tonight. Unfortunately, I was having technical difficulties and was not able to rejoin the recording after that. So, Caitlin and Taylin, take it away. I cannot wait to hear the rest of what happens. I'm freaking hanging on the edge of a cliff right now.

40:11 Ugh. I think the consensus is we are blaming Mercury retrograde. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. Rumors had reached Everett that the Wobblies were coming to burn the town. And by rumors, I don't know exactly like who was saying that, like maybe the mill owners or something. I just kind of feel like such horseshit. They're going to use that as a justification, obviously, for the bad things that are about to happen. Oh, yeah. Numbers in terms of like a lot of these things are not always super hard and fast, but about 200 citizen deputies gathered at the city dock at the west end of Hewitt Avenue. Many wore overcoats and tied white handkerchiefs around their necks so they could recognize each other.

41:07 Most waited inside a waterfront warehouse. So they were like kind of hiding. According to his trial testimony, Sheriff McRae told them not to show their weapons. They were told by different men in charge, don't brandish weapons. We'll give you the signals. They said, you know, don't make any noise. And all the dudes that are in charge, we're going to do the talking basically. Rifles and shotguns had been stockpiled at the commercial club, including behind the counter and in the women's restroom. I have to imagine there weren't a lot of ladies in the commercial club back in the day. Yeah. On that clear fall day, the Verona, a passenger steamboat, eased alongside the city dock at the foot of Hewitt Avenue in Everett, carrying roughly 250 people.

42:03 Most of them were members of the Industrial Workers of the World, the IWW for short. Again, the Wobblies. I'm really trying to delay the yuckiness, so. A second steamer, the Calista, had followed behind. In all, about 300 Wobblies had left Seattle that morning. They planned to hold a street meeting at the corner of Hewitt and Wetmore Avenues in support of Everett's striking shingle weavers and to defy a city ordinance that had pushed street speakers off the town's main thoroughfare. Waiting for the IWW to arrive on the dock were about 200 armed citizen deputies, so a lot more of them had guns than the IWW. They were previously sworn in under Snohomish County Sheriff Donald McCray.

42:57 Most of them were out of sight, They're hiding in not just the wear-front waterhouses, but also nearby vessels. They had one of the cooks on a neighboring boat that was described as a crack shot, and he was waiting. Many were members of the Everett Commercial Club, the organization of mill owners and businessmen who had spent months trying to drive the IWW out of town, who would now be completely surrounded on arrival. The maps and all of the like different, they did some really interesting chartings. You could really see like this was such a cluster. I'm honestly surprised that more people didn't die. Oh, wow. Or, you know, become horrifically injured. Deputies had stretched a rope in between Bayside Ironworks and the American Tugboat Co. to prevent residents from getting down to the landing and vice versa from the IWW being able to get up off the docks. Hundreds of citizens were lining the railroad tracks and streets overlooking Port Gardner Bay. So there was actually a lot of the local residents and like the citizenship, there was some support for them arriving. Captain Wyman- had anticipated that the sheriff might wave them off, refusing to let the Verona land, and was briefly relieved when he

44:28 managed to tie the vessel to the dock. When asked by approaching deputies who their leader was, the men issued a response standard to the IWW. We're all leaders. At that, the deputy responded that they couldn't land there. And no one knows precisely who? But a reply was issued from among the wobblies aboard the Verona. The hell we can't. With that, the melee began as at least one shot rang out. Though it was unclear from which camp or even precisely what area of the docks it was issued. Passengers on the Verona rushed starboard. That's the far side or the right side of the ship, I'm told. They were trying to escape bullets. And the sudden shift in weight nearly capsized the steamboat. Oh, my God. The spring line tied by Captain Wyman only moments before was literally the only thing that kept it from going completely over.

45:33 So thank goodness that he had tied off. Oh, my God. Completely outgunned, the IWW came under heavy fire with little means of escape. They were literally like fish in a barrel. Some of the men began fleeing the ship into the water and were reportedly shot as they struggled to tread water in the panic. Crossfire between piers 1 and 3 prevented anyone coming out in small boats from the shore to attempt to rescue anyone in the water. Meanwhile, some of the deputies began to take cover in the dock warehouses. The captain managed to back the Verona away from the dock and turn back towards Seattle. Even as it backed out, the riflemen continued to fire at the ship, managing to seriously injure one man even as it made its way back out to Point Gardner Bay. So they're firing into the back of the ship, essentially. I mean, it's just crazy.

46:36 You can't shoot someone in the back. Because the boat had been held by just one line, it was able to pull away relatively quickly, and local historians believe that That's probably what kept the death toll from being much higher. Oh, wow. As the ship returned south, guns, pepper, clubs, and shell casings were tossed overboard, which is smart. Not just a hat rack, I'm saying. When it was over, two citizen deputies were dead or dying on the dock, and five Wobblies lay dead or dying on the Verona's deck. Dozens more were wounded on both sides. and an unknown number of men who went over the rail into Port Gardner Bay were never seen again. Seventy-four Wobblies were arrested when the Verona limped back to Seattle, and they were all charged with murder. Not a single citizen deputy was ever charged with anything. Won't be the first or the last time that I say that. Oh, my God. Historians have called it the bloodiest labor confrontation in Pacific Northwest history, and more than a century later, nobody knows who fired first.

47:51 But it all happened in approximately 10 minutes. Once the gun smoke cleared, among the dead on the dock were National Guard Lieutenant Charles Curtis and Deputy Jefferson Beard. Around 20 other deputies were wounded, including Sheriff McRae, who was said to have been hit three times in the heel and leg. Among the IWW, five members had died, including Hugo Gerlach, Abraham Rabinowitz, Gustav Johnson, John Looney, and Felix Baran. The IWW later turned their faces into a postcard of death masks that became one of the movement's most famous images.

48:36 I'm looking it up. Sorry. It's just so sad. It's just so sad. Yeah. I mean, it kind of is one of those cases where I just find myself like, okay, I'm going to try to front load the jokes about the Wobblies and how whimsical their name is on the front end because the back end is not great. And the total number of wounded is genuinely unclear. The official IWW count was 27 wounded, while others put the total injured on the boat and the dock combined at more than 50. I mean, there were a lot of people. There's so many people that couldn't be accounted for. One of the wounded was not a Wobbly at all. And this is where I want to remind you that I said this was a commercial passenger steamship. Oscar Carlson was simply a passenger who had boarded the Verona And he was shot repeatedly an astounding 11 times. I was like, Jesus Christ, he's got 50 cent like beat. I just what 11 times as crazy as that is because you're like 11 times. I assume he's dead. No, he sued the steamboat company over his injuries, but lost, which probably the steamboat company wasn't the right party to go after.

50:04 But so he didn't go after the union and he didn't go after the sheriff, the deputy, the sheriff. I mean, it seems like it would have been the smarter move to go after somebody other than the steamboat company. But I don't, you know. Yeah, that is interesting. I mean, the early 1900s of it all. But that man was really he got done dirty. So I was under the assumption that they had like rented out The commercial steamboat. Not that it was operational that day. Nope. They did not, in fact, really... They didn't charter boats. So... And we'll get to that because there is somebody else that we're going to talk about. That sucks.

50:48 God, this is why I'm afraid to go out in public. It's why I don't leave my home. I know. I, like, just hashtag never leaving the house again. Yeah. The Calista... Because remember, there were two steamships. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The Calista never even tried to land. Its passengers were warned off and it turned back. So the Verona was enough ahead of the Calista that they were able to be like, turn that shit around. Oh, they warned the Calista. That ship did. Wow. Wow. Though officially only a handful of the Wobblies died, several other men who had been aboard the Verona are believed to have disappeared in Port Gardner Bay that afternoon. Reporting varies regarding the precise number, but names them as Fred Berger, William Coleman, Tom Ellis, Edward Raymond, Peter Viberts, and Charles Taylor.

51:43 Also named, really only by the documentary, but a man reportedly traveling as Just a fucking passenger. And unrelated to the IWW, according to the documentary, he had been bound for Whidbey Island. According to his brother-in-law, Albert, had been planning to take the Calista to Everett, then return home, but never arrived. Now, it's possible that something else happened here. Like, maybe he used this crazy tragedy to just disappear. And actually, there's a really good reason why a lot of people maybe allegedly did that. But it was literally impossible to find any source other than the documentary I watched that relays that man's story. So Albert Pontius, potentially another just regular ass passenger, just a dude, never seen again. Local officials said the bay was searched. And officially, no bodies were ever recovered. Historian Margaret Riddle concluded that as many as 12 Wobblies probably died that day and that some of their bodies may have been recovered in secret later.

53:01 An account given by Everett Public Library historian David Dilgerd backs this up. He relayed details from an interview he conducted with a retired Everett police officer. who had walked the downtown waterfront beat in 1916. Even half a century later, the now-retired officer refused to let the conversation that the two of them had be recorded. He told Dilger that he had seen bodies of men that died, presumably in the conflict, that had washed up and were subsequently pulled from the bay, wrapped up, waited, and carried off to the deep waters of the Mukiltea to be secretly disposed of. Oh, my God. Yeah. Not great. Because at that point, you are just trying to conceal evidence of crimes committed by law enforcement. I... Ah! I can't even with this story because it just like doesn't stop being crazier and crazier.

54:12 Like there was a lot of talk about who may or may not have been drunk. And I will say that it doesn't seem like there was a lot of speculation about the IWW guys being drunk, but a certain town's law enforcement, a little bit. Jesus Christ. Including the sheriff. When the Verona and Calista reached Seattle, they were met by the National Guard of Washington, naval militiamen, and city police who were surrounded by a crowd of IWW supporters. And here is when tragedy could have truly compounded in like a horrific way. According to the documentary, a guardsman accidentally fired a gunshot into the air. But thankfully, somehow, Everyone remained calm. Somehow. Don't ask me how. I have no fucking clue. Maybe they just already entered a degree of shell shock that, like, nothing could even, like, get through.

55:16 Wow. The dead were taken to the morgue, the injured to the hospital, and the rest escorted to jail. 74 Wobblies were arrested at the dock. And there were at least two... that through the course of the legal proceedings would, I don't want to say infamously because I don't know how infamous it was really, but like notably perhaps is more appropriate, they would go full state's evidence, which is, you know, that kind of sucks, but lots of reasons why that can happen. Back in Everett, authorities had called for National Guard troops from Seattle, and for several days, armed deputies patrolled the streets Of a town gripped by fear, guns stockpiled at the commercial club quietly disappeared. Which is so strange because from what I understand, they were in the women's restroom. And I just assume that there probably weren't a lot of ladies going in there looking for guns.

56:17 But who knows? What do I know? All 74 of the Wobblies arrested at the dock in Seattle were charged with murder. Oh, my God. Yeah. Yep. Initially, they were charged with the murders of both Beard and Curtis, the two fallen law enforcement officers. But any charges related to Curtis's killing would later be dropped. And that was a matter of great speculation. I encourage you, if you are interested, to look into that further. I simply couldn't pull at that thread anymore because we would have been here for an hour talking about that alone. The defense argued that prejudice and hostility in Snohomish County made a fair trial there impossible. And I would have to agree that that seems well advised. Yeah. The case was moved to the King County Superior Court in Seattle. The IWW held a large funeral in Seattle and buried John Looney, Felix Barron, and Hugo Gerlach together at Mount Pleasant Cemetery on Queen Anne Hill. English poet and IWW member Charles Ashley officiated. A memorial marker for the three men was later placed there. The bodies of Abraham Rabinowitz and Gustav Johnson were returned to their families to be buried elsewhere.

57:42 Gustav was a Swedish immigrant and his family lived in Seattle. So the two of them were just not buried at that same cemetery. On May 1, 1917, IWW supporters gathered again at the Mount Pleasant Cemetery graves to honor the dead. The IWW launched a national fundraising campaign for the defense, and the Everett Prisoners Defense Committee raised money from the IWW, local unions, and other sympathizers. That money hired a very strong roster of lawyers. Fred Moore and George Vanderveer, they were kind of the face of things, as well as O.N.

58:26 Hilton of Denver. And why the fuck everybody has to go by a series of initials is beyond me. But I included this one just because it is specifically my initials, C.E.S. Wood of Portland. Oh, wow. I mean, I guess technically I'm C.E.F.S., but details. Anyway. And Caroline A. Lowe, among others. The trial opened on March 5, 1917, in King County Superior Court in Seattle before Judge J.T. Ronald, a senior judge on the court, Thomas H. Tracy, was tried first of the 74 Wobblies.

59:10 He was charged with first-degree murder of Deputy Jefferson Beard. The prosecution was led by Snohomish County Prosecuting Attorney Lloyd Black. Jury selection drew heavy press coverage. Washington women had won the vote in 1910, and this jury became one of the county's first to include women. Seattle newspapers track the shifting gender balance day by day during jury selection. When selection was finalized, the jury consisted of an even 6-6 split of men and women, though the additional two alternates were men. So there is a lot of reporting that says it was a 6-8 split, And it's just because it includes the two alternates.

59:56 Gotcha. The amount of time I spent chasing down that detail is many. But it was because there were so many old timey articles. Like I looked at several and I'm like, there are this many articles that over 100 years later, I can find just about the jury selection. That's crazy. Insane. Insane. I mean, I love it, but like truly wild. The prosecution's strategy was to put the IWW's ideology on trial. Prosecutors spent at least one full day introducing IWW newspapers and pamphlets as evidence. Because, of course, the pamphlets were the gunmen. Several witnesses, including Sheriff McRae, said they had seen Tracy firing from a window on the Verona's main deck.

1:00:51 Asked which direction Tracy was shooting, McCray answered that he was shooting at him. Not Supes specific, actually. Like, quote, at him. That's what he said? Yeah. Oh, my God. Pretty much. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was totally shooting at us. I'm like, I don't even know why, because, like, we don't even care about him. Van Der Veer and Moore turned the trial around. So those are the defense lawyers. Yes. When the prosecution introduced IWW literature, Judge Ronald allowed the defense to read lengthy excerpts of its own, giving the Wobblies a public platform. So this is kind of one of those situations where it's like, oh, you want to put us and our ideology on trial? Everyone's going to hear our ideology. Nice. Yeah. In this case. Yeah. Cross-examination of the citizen deputies exposed the Beverly Park beatings. So a lot of people were aware of the beatings that had taken place just shy of a week prior, but that got introduced in court. So evidence suggested that Curtis, one of the deputies, he was actually was a National Guardsman.

1:02:08 He was one of the fatalities on the law enforcement side. Evidence suggested that he had most likely been killed by one of the fellow deputies. So that charge was quietly dropped. So that explains that in case you were curious. Nice. Okay. Apparently there was a lot of friendly fire on the docks. Yeah, no shit. I mean, when you look at like the photos of the map and stuff, you're like, how could there not be? The fact that only two people died? Well, and they were like, they're not real deputies. Yes, yes. Were they, they're not, they're not, they are not trained. Yeah, no. I mean, it's just like, the fucking Wild West of it all. The most dramatic moment came when the jury was taken out of the Seattle courtroom and brought to the Everett dock. The defense had the Verona tied up in the same position it occupied on November 5th, and the lawyers demonstrated that what witnesses claimed they had seen, including Tracy firing from a specific window, was physically impossible from where they had been standing. They were like, but just the layout and the physics of it all. So they not only lawyered, but they also scienced the shit out of them. On April 6th, 1917, in the middle of the trial, the United States entered World War I.

1:03:34 So this is what's crazy is we talked about World War I like at the top. We weren't even really truly well involved It's just when there is that massive a conflict, there's no way it doesn't have a ripple effect, like have an impact on our economy. Yeah. So that blew my mind because I was watching the documentary going, but we've been talking about World War I for like two hours, I swear to God. Yeah, that's so crazy. Yeah. The IWW opposed the war. So they were anti-capitalist, they opposed the war, and that would soon reshape everything about how the country treated them. Because they were already being treated so well, of course. In his closing argument, Van Der Veer told the jury that even the title of the case was a mistake. This was not the state of Washington against Thomas Tracy, he argued, but the commercial club and the mill owners of Everett against Washington.

1:04:44 Yes. And everyone metaphorically threw their microphones on the floor. We cannot do that because we simply cannot afford to replace them. But in solidarity, on May 5th, 1917, after about 20 hours of deliberation, the jury returned its verdict. Not guilty. Cause duh. The defense committee pointed out the date The shooting was on November 5th. The trial began March 5th. And the verdict came May 5th. Synchronicity of dates and numbers. Yeah.

1:05:24 Also, how does that compare to the length of other deliberating? Is that pretty typical of a case like that? You know, it varies so much throughout history. I feel like the deliberation period for old-timey cases is almost without exception much shorter than it is in modern times. That's what I thought, yeah. The thing about this one is that aside from the change of venue, the other thing that the defense lawyers fought for was for each of the 74 defendants to be tried separately. And that's going to be really significant here. The remaining 73 Wobblies were released.

1:06:12 The charges were dropped and there was no appeal. Holy shit. Yeah. It's like kind of one of the only significant victories for these guys. Yeah, Jesus. On the flip side, no citizen deputy was ever charged with the deaths of the five Wobblies or the men who disappeared in the bay or or any of the friendly fire, or the alleged drunken disorderly. Sheriff Donald Lecrae was reviled by almost everyone after the massacre. During his tenure as governor, Roland Hartley was said to have given the now-retired sheriff a job at the courthouse as a janitor. Otherwise, Don, he withdrew from public life, went into seclusion, And eventually vanished from the record. And actually, this is wild, but as of 2016, no one knows where he was buried when he did eventually die. Most people say we don't even know when he died.

1:07:20 Well, if he had any part in, you know, wading down those bodies and throwing them into the water, then I'm kind of okay with that. Yeah. What I thought was really deeply sad, and it's all just... You know, it's based on like the historical events and everything, but it is purely speculative. And so I didn't include it in my notes, but I'm going to say the historians talked about that his wife, a lot of them believe that her death was a suicide in the aftermath at some point. I don't I don't know when she died. I wasn't planning to include it, but that's sad. You could see in that era, like your husband is essentially like that's like your entire identity.

1:08:11 Fuck. I mean, there's there's a lot of darkness here. Thomas Tracy, the only man tried, also dropped out of history. What became of him after his acquittal? Not really sure. It's kind of an open question. George Vanderveer. regarded the Tracy acquittal as one of the greatest victories of his career. A 1953 biography of him took its title from his nickname, Counsel for the Damned. I really hope that I have a chance to look into another case or something else related to George Vanderveer because I'm like, fuck yeah.

1:08:51 Yeah. The IWW enjoyed a brief surge after Everett, Using the martyrs' images on postcards and posters to recruit new members, which I have some complicated feelings about, but when the Wobblies came out against U.S. entry into World War I, nearly 100 members were convicted under the Espionage Act. James Thomas and James Rowan both served time in the federal penitentiary at Leavenworth. By the 1920s, the IWW's peak was over, and the repression of the war years led directly to further violence, including the 1919 Centralia tragedy. Jack Miller avoided Everett for some 60 years and stayed away from men with guns and badges. And shh. Understandable, I would say.

1:09:48 Avoiding police and authority figures makes sense in this instance. You know, after what some of these guys went through. He eventually came back for a commemoration of the massacre and later returned once more when historian Dilgerd asked him to speak with a middle school girl working on a class project. Oh, my God. I want to know who the middle school girl is. I'm like, I am you and you are me. Miller died in 1986 in his 90s, believed to be the last surviving Wobbly who had been aboard the Verona. Wow.

1:10:28 I know. Late in life, he wrote that the IWW went on to organize the lumber camps and win better living and safer working conditions and that perhaps more lives were saved in the following year them were lost in the massacre i'm not crying you're crying i'm just something about oh i mean it's very poignant just shut up walker c smith's book remained the defining account of the everett massacre for decades and he was a very outspoken advocate in this space um they interviewed his daughter And my God, I mean, just the level of absolute love and respect that she had for his words and just for everything that he stood for for decades. Everett simply did not discuss what happened on the dock. Citizens and historians alike said the killings went all but unspoken in the city for generations. The silence began to break in 1970. when Norman Clark, a history instructor at Everett Community College, who later became the school's president, published Milltown, a social history of Everett, Washington. In 20 years of teaching, he said, almost none of his students had ever heard of the massacre.

1:11:59 Like a lifelong educator in Everett. He's like, okay, I'll fix that. Yeah, bet. Yeah. His book is still regarded as the finest social history of Everett and is kind of a scholarly anchor in the episode because like there's got to be like so many of the various sources that I've used that are using him as a, you know what I mean? Sure. I just was like, that's, it's very cool. It's very cool. Everett attorney Royce Ferguson later wrote a play about the massacre called Bloody Sunday. Classic. I know. And I'm like, well, listen, you too. It like it kind of identifies in a different way now. But even so, it took until late September 2016, a hundred years after the shooting for a permanent marker to appear on a public street. The Bayside and Port Gardner Neighborhood Associations installed a bronze plaque set in granite on a grassy stretch at the west end of Hewitt Avenue near the old dock.

1:13:07 And remember, Hewitt Avenue is kind of a big fucking deal. It tells the story in 87 words beside an image of the Verona. Jack O'Donnell wrote the text and said he deliberately tried not to assign guilt to either side and simply describe what happened. For the 100th. Anniversary in 2016, the Everett Public Library held a lecture series. Filmmaker Denise Ohio premiered a documentary called Verona, the story of the Everett Massacre. And the historic steamer made a commemorative sailing from Seattle to Everett. On November 5th, 2016, IWW members marched up Hewitt Avenue to complete the journey the Wobblies never finished and hung wreaths bearing the victims' names near the new marker. On January 11th, 1936, We're time traveling. Sorry, that was a little bit of whiplash probably, but here we are. The Verona burned to the waterline at her mooring in West Seattle and was declared a total loss. So it was like 20 years later, that ship was like, I think I'm good. In the end, the court dispute in Everett came down to free speech and protest policing, even though it kind of began for like More specifically, workers' rights, wages, working conditions, etc. Focus

1:14:41 definitely shifted. But it kind of boiled down to who gets to speak in public places and how far authorities can go to stop them. Especially when they don't like the message. Mini claps. Oh, my gosh. My God. If this is not an old-timey story for our modern times. Okay, I'm going to stop talking. I'm going to grab my tarot deck so that we can be done before midnight. And also so that you can talk because hopefully I don't.

1:15:21 Lose my voice. Oh, yeah. You've read a lot. Damn. So this is a brand new deck. actually haven't done a reading with this yet. It's the other deck that I got while I was in my travels, if you will. Okay. I spread it out in front of the keyboard. So let's see. Okay. I have an idea of kind of where I'm thinking within the deck. Okay. So tell me your thoughts. What are you feeling? I'm feeling that CFV area on the keyboard. Okay. Shut up, really? Where are you feeling? Okay, so CFB is like just down and slight, like ever so slightly to the right of where I was feeling. And I currently have my pinky finger and my index finger on two cards that are in that area because... One for each boat. Bro. There you go.

1:16:25 Okay. Okay. You're not going to be able to see these because they're so tiny and adorable. Oh my gosh. That's Page of Cups upside down. Yeah. And then... That's adorable. Seven of Cups. Oh, I like that one. I know. I think these are cute cards. And look, the reverse. That's a fun deck. I love this. It kind of looks like, I don't know, like kind of retro. I don't know. I'm not sure. Yeah, like a little mid-century or something. Yes. Mid-century, that's the word I was looking for. And it's like my favorite, so I don't know why that flew out of my brain, but here we are. Okay, so Page of Cups in reverse, in reverse. Okay. Our keywords are naivete, openness, sensitivity, immaturity, and lack of boundaries, which feels like there could be some parallels. I don't know. In some tarot decks, the page appears as a child, an apprentice, a student, or a young servant. Consequently, page cards represent innocence or the initial stages of a situation. Sometimes the page of cups is shown contemplating a fish, a symbol of the water element.

1:17:49 When the page of cups shows up, it suggests intuition and innate artistic creative abilities, but you haven't developed these yet. It also indicates emotional immaturity, which feels relevant to this case. Definitely. If this card represents an actual person, they are probably young, inexperienced in love, and perhaps overly trusting, naive, or idealistic in the extremes. which I feel like could apply to so many people like within this case. And there's one person I'm thinking of in particular, but the page of cups reversed often indicates pain resulting from an unhappy relationship or family situation. As a result, you feel insecure, afraid to trust, unwilling to seek love because you want to avoid more suffering. This card can show fear of rejection if you express your creative abilities or rejections. your intuitive nature sometimes it means you're withdrawing into a fantasy world the reverse page can also represent a sensitive young person who feels unaccepted or unloved or who can't trust anyone the whole ass union i know right You know, it's interesting because in kind of the summation of everything that I sort of researched and watched and all of it

1:19:23 that went into like this episode, the person that I thought of immediately was the National Guardsman who died actually on the law enforcement side. Because he was actually very young. And a lot of the men that died on the Wobbly side were very young. Actually, I think an overwhelming amount of the men that died on the Wobbly side were like 22. Oh my God. I think three out of the five were 22, which is so weird. But there was something about him, like looking at the pictures of him and they did interview two of his sisters and thinking about how The historical context is that, like, nobody really talked about this conflict, and that was true even for them. Their relative died, and nobody talked about it, even within their own family. They were just told he wasn't coming home, basically. Go to therapy, people! I know.

1:20:25 In a reading about money, the reversed page advises against relying on others for financial advice. Or it may indicate a venture you're considering isn't well-founded. Like maybe you've over-leveraged your mill. Just saying. It's a possibility. Sometimes this card means you're underpaid or being taken advantage of and need to stand up for yourself. Holy shit. And it specifically said that this card could be like the initial stages of a situation. That's so wild. Oh my god. I'm shitting my brain. If the rating is about your job, this card may indicate disappointments, broken promises, or a situation that didn't turn out the way you'd hoped. It can also show misplaced trust. Maybe you've been duped or betrayed in a work-related area. Or you may not be using your talents wisely. In a reading about love, the page reversed warns you to take a good, hard look at a relationship. This card may show you repeating a pattern of heartbreak and betrayal rooted in childhood. Perhaps you've opened your heart to the wrong person or fantasized that a romantic fling is something more serious. Or that your boss will give you a raise. Yeah, it's so depressing. It really is.

1:21:54 Sorry if I'm so quiet. I'm just like taking it all in and I feel like the reading itself sums it up. yeah like it hits it so well i'm also just thinking about like how i i just i keep getting hung up on like the crazy thing that unions are asking for is decent pay right decent being worked decently and that's like so absurd that's so horrendous that it results in this yeah i know I. Think that's the part that like makes you feel like like I don't even know what to say. Because here we are. And in some ways, we're just like still very much having these same exact conversations. OK, so the seven of cups keywords are possibilities, potential, imagination, fantasy. And it's interesting because drawing two cards and I did, I took all of these cards. And I cut them, I shuffled them, I shuffled them, I shuffled them, I shuffled them.

1:22:59 Because it's a brand new deck and it's the first reading, but somehow we still ended up with two in cups. Yeah. And cups are like, absolutely, the link is water. In some decks, including the Rider-Waite-Smith and the Aquarian, the 7 of Cups shows seven chalices holding a variety of objects. And actually, if you think about it, I think there are, by most accounts, a total of seven casualties. Oh, wow. Like, very officially. Yeah. There are others that, like, the level of documentation and backing, it varies, but the core. Yeah. When the Seven of Cups appears, it represents a time of contemplating options, weighing possibilities, and entertaining fantasies about your future. The upright seven suggests many choices and paths are available to you now, but you may have trouble deciding among them. Nothing is certain.

1:24:02 Let your intuition as well as your intellect guide you. In a reading about money, financial issues are colored by idealism. But it's not idealistic. It shouldn't be. I know. I'm so angry. It's just basic human decency. Yes. You have lots of ideas for making money, some inspired, some pure fantasy. Be careful with money and investments now. You're probably not seeing things clearly. And I mean, I will say this feels just from that initial bullet point there and kind of the overall vibe, it matches up quite nicely because unfortunately, so many of these people that originally joined the strike, Even before the IWW was involved, it's like, I mean, they really paid for their quote unquote sins of wanting decent wages and working conditions. If the reading is about your job, you seek a creative occupation and may be considering various options. However, you may not be realistic about your abilities or the possibilities open to you. Examine your choices carefully, especially if something seems too good to be true. In a reading about love, you feel romantic and may enjoy a highly emotional relationship with a person who inspires you. If you're not in

1:25:35 a relationship, the seven suggests you're contemplating what you really want, maybe indulging your fantasies. We've been pulling cups a lot lately as a podcast. We have. And I feel like historically that like hasn't really been the case necessarily. They've all felt very applicable to me personally to where I'm at. So maybe it's that energy. I know. I feel like we've talked about it recently where I'm like, I feel like there's a certain amount where I'm like, I'm not going to get into this. But some of this I'm like, hey, listen, it cuts both ways. Yeah. Feels very personally relevant. Totally. In the shamanic realm, this is about dispelling illusions to see the reality within and about facing the worldly temptations that cause the downfall of so many gurus and leaders. Oh, that's about the mills. Damn!

1:26:35 I feel like that could be about the IWW, too, right? Like, in a way, like. Well, like, they're working to do... I feel like they would be the ones trying to dispel, but the male people are the ones that have the fucking illusion. Do you know what I mean? Okay. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that makes sense to me. Yeah. Where it's like, can you get real, please? Can you get fucking real? And, like, you know, everyone working against... Like, I have six fingers between my two hands. Like, don't pretend not to see this. Yeah. I mean, I think I was like trying to look at it just like my initial perception was like still like in a it cuts both ways kind of like thinking. But I think I think you're right, because the people that are on one side are very grounded in the reality that is very harsh and pragmatic. And they're negotiating with people that are like, well... Right. Just living on a totally different... Like, it goes back to what we were talking about in the beginning where it's like, you know, social elites versus, like, the everyman. Yeah, exactly.

1:27:44 I also think it could fit with, like, what went on during the trial. Like, they took a field trip to the boat and saw that's not possible. Like. Yeah. What are you talking about? No. And then... The work that the lawyer, what's his name? Lawyer for the people. Vanderveer. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Vanderveer. Yeah. So he was dispelling some illusions too. That's where I'm getting. Oh, a thousand percent. Yes. That's crazy though. Both of those cups. I mean, just like the connection to like the water, there being two ships and like, granted, you know, we didn't have to pull two cards, but the fact that we were like, oh, We're both looking in this little space and I just I have this habit where I will kind of like start setting my hand like on or around like the card that I'm like kind of feeling.

1:28:40 So then I was like, oh, my two little fingers are kind of like on these two specific spots we're both describing. I'm like, oh, have a creepy ass day. We'll see you next Thursday. Unless you're trying to bust some unions, then get lost. Yeah, seriously, get the actual fuck out. Take a boat. Take a boat out of town. Take a steamship out of here, pal. I don't think you can take a steamship anywhere. So actually, that reinforces the joke because it's basically just saying go to hell. I think I don't you know.