Fall Adventures: Practical Magic & Cemetery Tours

0:02 Have you seen Practical Magic? Obviously. One of our favorite movies. Love fucking Practical Magic. And I learned something very recently that I had no idea about. And I was so fucking excited, you guys. I have to take a drink. I'm so excited. Oh, my God. Well, don't leave us hanging. The downtown scenes in Practical Magic were filmed in a little seaside town called Coopville, Washington. On Whidbey Island. Yeah. Did you know this? I did. Did you find this out this year like me or did you already know? Hi, Caitlin. Hi, Cassie. Hi, creepy people. Hello!

0:44 If you're new to our creepy corner of the world, this is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we chat about true crime, the paranormal, and all things spooky in the Pacific Northwest. That we do. We also... Well, you. Keep forgetting the P & W if you're nasty. Oh. Okay. Well, I'll just say that. Okay. Editors fix this. I love being a passenger princess. P & W if you're nasty. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We also do a tarot reading at the end of every episode for a little bit of deeper insight into our topic. Like pumpkin butts.

1:28 Ooh. Are we talking about pumpkin booties today? Sexy little pumpkin booties. You're going to have to tell me. For those of you that aren't watching the video, I have a little pumpkin booty pin on my mic. There she does. That's where that's coming from. And I have McGruff. He's not quite at the right angle in this shot. I'm now realizing. Oh, no. But he's there. He takes a bite out of crime. Is that his slogan? That he does. Yeah. I think that's exactly what it says on the pin. Yeah. It's too small for me to read. Yeah. Well, that's fair. Well, unfortunately, today is not about pumpkin booties, but we do have some fun stuff to talk about. Have you seen Practical Magic?

2:15 Obviously. One of our favorite movies. Love fucking Practical Magic. And I learned something. Very recently that I had no idea about. And I was so fucking excited. You guys, I have to take a drink. I'm so excited. Oh, my God. Well, don't leave us hanging. The downtown scenes in Practical Magic were filmed in a little seaside town called Coopville, Washington. On Whidbey Island. Yeah. Did you know this? I did. Did you find this out this year like me or did you already know? Um, I don't think I previously knew. I think I stumbled upon this a few weeks ago.

2:56 This popped up in my Google, you know, where it has like suggestions of things of like articles to click. And I was like, oh, practical magic. And I was like, no fucking way. I think that's exactly what happened. To me, too. It's so funny. I wonder how many other people this happened to, but. Well, I will say. Don't say anything because that's in my episode. You don't even know what. I was going to say. Okay. No, I went to Raven's Manor. Oh, okay. Last night. We went for Chris's birthday to celebrate for also his mom and his brother. Some fun life events that are going on for them. And....

3:38 Yeah. So we went to Raven's Manor. We did the photo booth. Oh, fun. I haven't done the photo booth yet because it was like pretty new and we went last and then we forgot about it. Oh, yeah. I specifically told Chris, I was like, don't forget the photo booth. Yeah. I want to do that. We did that. And then also there is a tequila tasting experience. Oh. Named, I don't know, something about Sanderson Sisters. Oh, like my shirt. Why would they name the tequila after the Sanderson sisters? Midnight Margaritas. That's a different movie. I know, but I feel like it's just a vibe.

4:19 But like, why wouldn't they name it Midnight Margaritas? Like, I don't know. Sanderson sisters. And yeah, it just they took all of the witchiness and they're just like. And they smashed it together. And like a Play-Doh ball of a bunch of different colors. Yeah. Anyways, I'm so sorry. That bothers me now, though, that they named it Sanderson Sisters and not after Practical Magic. I know, I was like, Sanderson. I was like, wait. It's funny, though, that I'm wearing the shirt. Yeah. It all connects. It all connects. It all circles back. Back to real Practical Magic and not the Sanderson Sisters. We are, what is their name? What's their last name in there? Oh, God.

5:00 Okay, I'll look. Who knows? Typing is not. owens owens that yeah yeah yeah okay back to the owens sisters so all of the buildings in this little seaside town were painted white for the filming of practical magic. Oh that's interesting i. Know but they have since repainted them back to their original colors so they're not all white but i thought that was like kind of interesting yeah i never really i guess i never really noticed in the film all of the buildings are white Are. They supposed to be in the Pacific Northwest in the movie? No, I think they're like on the East Coast. That's exactly.

5:43 I was like, I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be like based on the East Coast, right? And I think the white buildings on the coast, that's way more like it. To me, the white buildings along the eastern seaboard, like it just thing. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like it's not as much of a thing here on the West Coast. So it makes sense because they're like, we're just trying to make this coast look like that coast. You should Google real quick where it was set because I always just assumed it was East Coast because witches. Yeah. I never really thought about it being connected to Pacific Northwest. So I wonder like why they shot it here. New England.

6:23 Yeah. We're not right. Okay. This next part like slightly crushed my little creepy heart. No. Like when we talked about the Beetlejuice house. Uh-oh. So there is a lot of movie houses that I'm totally in love with. But the freaking Practical Magic house is like my all-time favorite. I feel like it's everyone's dream house. Oh, no. What happened to it? The Practical Magic house was right here in the Pacific Northwest as well on San Juan Island. Yep. Uh-huh. Unfortunately, it was just a shell built for the filming and then taken down. So it was not a real house.

7:04 Do we know which of the San Juan Islands that it was on? It says on San Juan Island. So I don't know like. There is a San Juan. I believe there is a San Juan, but there's like a strip of islands that are all categorized as like the San Juan Islands. Like there's Orcas and. Okay. Yeah. I was trying to like kind of Google it and I was like, I don't know. You're like, yeah. Yeah. But so I don't know exactly where, but it's not there anymore. I think is probably why I gave up trying to figure it out. But yeah, you're like, I don't care anymore. It's not real. Although the interior of the home was also just a set, it was modeled after a real home located on San Juan Valley Road.

7:50 So it was modeled after a real house, the interior. I love it. So while I was researching this, I actually stumbled upon a little blog by our friend Amy in the PNW. Stop it. I know. So, yeah, Amy did a little blog post about this. And in her blog post, it says they just announced summer of 2024 that Practical Magic 2 is being filmed. Really? And Evie will keep updating her blog as things unfold. So I will put a link to her blog in there. So keep an eye on that. And then there's more info and pictures because she actually goes to these places and takes pictures herself. So if you want to see pictures of that, go to her blog. Check it out.

8:37 Super cute. We're going to be doing some more field trips coming up now. Yeah. Yeah, we have some stuff. I've got so. Much free time now that I'm done being a wedding coordinator. Yeah. We can go crazy. We're hitting the town. Painting it red. And or white. I was going to say, and or white. This town actually still celebrates every year with a practically magic movie night. Love it. I know. So fucking cute. I want to go. This year it's October 24th, 25th, and 26th. And when I went to the site, I saw this adorable picture of one of the buildings. It's Aqua Gifts in the photo. Yeah.

9:20 And it has, like, the outline of the witches on the roof. Like, when they have their little umbrellas and they go to jump off, they have that little picture on there. Oh, it's so cute. I'm tea cuddling. Oh. Very fitting for the day. What's your shirt say? Oh, yeah. I'm just here for the tea. What's behind me? Teacup. So weird. I know. Weird. Maybe we'll talk about that later. As soon as I came back in here, you're like, you changed into that? And I was like, I mean, I'm wearing it, aren't I? I don't... I never know. And I got all the way to my closet and it's on... It's like... 50 feet that way i just i didn't want to come back and ask you like what am i supposed to wear to be on theme and you don't even need to ask yeah it's out telepathically or like something with tea what did your shirt say did we say it out loud i'm just here for the tea Sometimes.

10:18 We forget you can't see us all the time. We'll go to YouTube. Yes. Go to YouTube to see us. The YouTube and all the Patreon. So along with the screening of the movie Practical Magic, there is a costume contest, trivia and filming anecdotes, music and popcorn. And of course, midnight margaritas. Yes. They happen all night, not just at midnight. And they do a beer and wine. In case you don't want a margarita, but you should. The town, of course, has fun, spooky events that aren't movie related. So if you want to just go there and hang out and do their other spooky stuff.

11:01 You can. Well, these are cool, though. They have a torchlight parade and street dance on October 26th. And the great Coopville pumpkin race on the 27th. Oh, that's fun. Like they just, what do they do? Roll their pumpkins? I don't know how it works. I'm guessing. If you don't, you know, want to visit Coopville, if it's like too cute for you, you can go to Hillsboro, which we've never heard of. I know. Which is a suburb of Portland, kind of. And there is a Witchy shop there that we've talked about before. We've had them on the pod through the veil. And on 1030, they're having a family-friendly Samhain celebration. And they're doing s'mores around the fire, sipping cider and or hot cocoa while a kid-friendly movie is playing.

11:59 Stop it. Kid-friendly Halloween movie. Hello. It's like Casper or something, kid-friendly. Which is perfect because if it's kid-friendly, that means I can watch it. But if you don't care about kids, if you don't have kids, you know, whatever. Whatever. There is an adult Samhain celebration on the 31st on Halloween, ages 16 and up. So their website says to join us around the fire while the veil is at its thinnest as we honor and communicate with, question mark, those who have crossed to the other side. They will also be having a lantern dance performance by the PDX Dancing Witches. That sounds so cool.

12:40 I know. It sounds so fun. So they also have an ancestor altar where you can bring photos or something to represent a loved one who has crossed over. And they'll also have offerings and candles to lights if you want to go and do kind of like what this holiday is really about. They have that option for you. Oh, I love it. Speaking of Through the Veil, I went to one of their tea leaf reading classes the other day. It was so freaking fun and cute. And I got, you get to keep your little teacup that you use. So pretty. Mine has like bugs on it and stuff. And I just thought it was so cute and appropriate for me.

13:21 Yes. And the tea I got is called Going No Contact Tea. Shut the fuck up. Do you want to snip it? Yeah. Let me snip it. It is. Oh, God. It's going to be like too small for me to read. It is. Okay. Yeah, you do it. It's on the side there. Okay. Okay. It smells so good. Only the finest ingredients. Medium caffeine content. And it is black tea, orange and tangerine pieces, calendula. safflower, marigold, sunflower petals.

14:04 And that's it. Natural flavors, caffeine. So good though. Oh my gosh. And then see you like they, they teach you how, so these are classes. So she'll teach you how to do this stuff so you can do it on your own at home. But I got, I just thought I got the most interesting shapes. I got like, I thought it was a bat at first, but it was more like a butterfly shape or a moth or something. It smells so good. I got like a snake shape. I got some other cool things. I took pictures of it. But then there was like these two sunflower petals with like two little orange pieces both sitting in. And I don't know why it just like reminded me of like me and you like on a plane, like traveling somewhere. Oh, I know.

14:55 We're going to travel. And we are. So I don't know. I thought that was cute, but I got pretty good pictures of the shapes and stuff that were in my cup. Did you read this quote? No, I didn't read because it's hard to read. No, I mean, but did you read it, period? No, I didn't read anything on that. What does it say? It is the kindest act of self-preservation, self-love and self-care. Aww. It is how we can heal our trauma. So true. Merchants of nostalgia. Life has become busy. It's time to slow down and savor. A portion of the proceeds support suicide awareness.

15:38 Oh, I love that. That's so funny. Yesterday I went to the Out of the Darkness Walk, which is suicide awareness and prevention. Interesting. There's more. It's very tiny. So I see why you. Yeah. It's not easy going no contact, but we get it. This tea will help you in times of guilt and post gaslighting. Oh, it's so perfect for me. It's interesting because so they have a bunch of those like she had like at least 20 or 30 teas sitting out. Yeah. And I just kind of like and then like I grabbed that one and instantly like the imagery on it is like there's crows and like a creepy girl black hair. Like, is she like kind of doll like? And so I was like, oh, this one's probably like going to be my tea. Like, I just felt like how I draw tarot.

16:28 I just grab it. And then I'm reading the ingredients. I sniffed it. I was like, this is perfect. This is my tea. I didn't even really like look through all the teas. I just kind of intuitively grabbed that one. That's really interesting. I'm going to Google something really quick before I share. Just so you guys know, all of the teas are available for sale at Ruth Bale. They're not a sponsor. We just love them and they love us. Do you know where this tea came from? No, I didn't read the bottles. That's also very small. Montana. Oh. Oddly enough.

17:09 Eureka. Montana. Interesting. I didn't even know there was a Eureka in Montana. I thought that was our thing. Yeah. You know? Is there just Eurekas all over the state? I think so. I'm going to put my tea back here. It's in Lincoln County. Okay. Interesting. Oh, wow. It's basically in Canada. Oh, wow. Hey, Canada. Hey, girl. Hey. Like it's nine miles south of the of the. Canadia. U.S. border. Still. So it's PNW. Totally. Montana. Yeah. We just did an episode on Montana. That's why I brought it up. Your grandparents lived in Montana. Weird.

17:54 Eureka, Montana. Who knew? Who knew? We know now. So I think we've talked about this on the pod. Remind me if this sounds weird. like not something anyone is going to be familiar with. Okay. But I'm pretty sure we've talked about the pumpkin that I won when I was a kindergartner. Right. Okay. I was like, please don't tell me that I am thinking I've told this story and I've just told it before and in different situations nobody's gonna know what I'm talking. About no you did and you said that you were trying to find a picture but I don't think you ever did I. Could never find one yeah yeah at some point I'll probably just have to go and like rummage through bins on bins on bins at my mom's house but one.

18:42 Day we'll show it yeah if I can. Drag it down like that bitch is yours but this pumpkin that I'm currently looking at makes my pumpkin look a little Really? Yes. Okay, so I found this article and I just was like, we gotta, we have to pay respect to the great enormous pumpkin of You know, yesteryear and. We like big pumpkins around here. And pumpkin booties. So the article is entitled Enormous Oregon Grown Pumpkin Wins National Pumpkin Weigh Off.

19:26 Oh, national. Damn, girl. Damn, girl. Oregon on the map. Yeah, what is she? What is she? She's thick. Two C's. That's right. In a battle to grow the heaviest pumpkin in the nation, a massive pumpkin grown in Oregon was crowned the winner on Saturday. So this article is dated 10-4. um i'm guessing it was the weekend um prior to this so like the last weekend of september well oh you said oh i see i see okay yeah the article was dated from two days ago what are you talking about um okay portland oregon coin one of our major news networks.

20:09 6. Yeah, that's right. The first place pumpkin, nicknamed Hank the Tank, was grown by Jim Sherwood of Milano. Wow. I know. Who told. 6 News the pumpkin took 108 days to grow before entering the 2024 National Pumpkin Way Off at Bishop's Pumpkin Farm in Wheatland, California. Okay, so I just need you to remember that this pumpkin came from Milano, Oregon. Okay. Where is that? It's like in the direction of like Oregon City can be out that way. Before I tell you how much this fucker weighed.

20:57 Okay. My pumpkin weighed less than after the comma. There's a comma. Oh my gosh. In the end, Hank the Tank weighed in at 2,453 pounds. Pretty sure my pumpkin weighed 367 and it was the most enormous piece of produce I'd ever seen. How big? Cassie, I will show you the picture. You are going to absolutely shit your brain through your ear. It is enormous. Ridiculous.

21:40 Ridiculous. I kind of thought this was a fake prop pumpkin. This is a real pumpkin. What? Yeah. After 23 years growing giant pumpkins, you can sum up this year by saying old dogs really can learn new tricks, Sherwood said. This was my first year growing in a greenhouse. Oh. And I really focused on networking with other top growers, sharing tips and growing methods. And it certainly paid off. Wow. Okay, Cassie, I am going to airdrop this article to you. And just be prepared for your brain to leave your school.

22:28 I'm ready. My brain is not home at the moment, but I am so ready. Oh my God. Can you believe that? It's so big. Like, how does this even happen? I don't know. And it only took like a hundred and what? How many days? I think he said a hundred. Okay, so let's see. Took 108 days to grow before entering the 2024 National Pumpkin Weigh Off. So I'm wondering if it kept growing after he entered. Oh, I don't know. I just feel like that doesn't seem like enough days to get this big of a pumpkin.

23:12 I don't know. Well, that's just it is like he's obviously using all of the tips and the tricks and trying to get her real thick. What kind of steroids are you pumping in this pumpkin, man? He's pumping that. Pumpkin full of all of the human growth hormone that like I probably should have been given so that I would reach an average height. Yeah, this pumpkin looks like it's droid raging all over the place. Honestly, I feel like if I stood next to it. You're not even as big as the stem. Well, listen, OK, it's not that tall when it's horizontal like this. Yeah, I'm still taller than the pumpkin. If she could stand upright, she would.

24:03 That's tall. That would be different. That would be different. Well, what a great addition to this episode that you added. Thank you, Caitlin. I just was I literally was just thinking I was like, oh, maybe we'll do like a little Patreon bonus because we, you know, do like fun little like news episodes. paper articles and things that like, you know, just whatever, just something that would be fun to share. And I thought, oh, you know what? While I'm thinking of it. So I don't forget. And then we just never share it. And yeah. So, I mean, do it. I like it. I love that. I love big things.

24:44 Very on brand with your pumpkin, but my pumpkin, but I was looking at this. Yeah. What's her butt? What's her name? One of the Sanderson sisters. Winifred. Oh, okay. Winifred with the pumpkin hair. I feel like the actresses' names come to the front of my head, and then I'm like, I don't think she was named Sarah. That was this one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mary Winifred. Mary Kathy Najimy. She's going to be in, I don't know what it's called. She's going to be in St. Helens this year for the Spirit of Halloween Town.

25:25 I think I did. I posted like a little story on it. Love it. I can't remember the dates, but if you Google it, I'm sure you could find it. But I was like, oh, I want to go see her. But I'm so busy. I know. That's so fun. That is all I have. But right after this, there is going to be an interview with Margaret from Friends of Lone Fur. And we're going to talk about some of the... fun tours and stuff that they have going on, not just during spooky season, but all year. And if you missed the loan for episode that we did, you can go and search, search you that search alone for cemetery.

26:05 I'll probably link it for you. I was going to say, we can link to it in the show notes. But I also like, I like to tell people like remind people they can actually search for episodes because I kind of forget. And I'm like, Oh, well let me just scroll this until I find it. You could be scrolling a minute. Let's scroll through these 200 episodes. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. It might take you a minute. Because sometimes, you know, I can only link to one thing. And usually it's just our website. So if you want to listen on Apple or something, you're going to have to probably search for her. True, true, true. And then I think after the interview, we're just going to pull a card for Spooky Season. Just Spooky Season fun. So it'll be at the end of the episode, just like any other. We'll be back. Okay. I am here with Margaret and I just wanted to ask you quickly how you are affiliated with the Loan First Cemetery.

27:02 So I'm a part of a nonprofit 501c3 organization called Friends of Loan First Cemetery. And I've been involved in that organization for about 12 years. The organization, yeah, the organization has been around since 2000. We're going to hit our 25 year anniversary next year as an organization. We had high hopes for our 20th anniversary, but then the pandemic hit. So we had to put a big pin in that, which is a huge bummer. So I'm kind of looking forward to next year for that. But I've been around for, like I said, 12 years. Next year will be lucky number 13. And I got involved just doing headstone workshops. And then I segued over into doing tours.

27:42 And then I got on the board and, you So I do all of that. I do all the communication. I do all the sort of press release stuff. I do stuff like this. I was on KPTV last week. So I make sure that we're, you know, getting the publicity that we need to some extent. We're a pretty small, rough and tumble group. So we're not a huge organization, a huge nonprofit, but we do our best. Yeah, we just try to procure volunteers and stewardship within the cemetery. What got you interested in volunteering and working with a cemetery? I always loved cemeteries. It's always been a thing of mine. I went to Tour of Untimely Departures, which is a annual, semi-annual, whatever event that the organization had put on. It had put on years before I joined and I was really into it. Then I started to go to some of the regular tours that got really into that. And then I went to headstone workshops and it just started to evolve.

28:41 You know, from there, I was like, I want to be a part of what this organization is doing. I really want to create stewardship. I wanted to volunteer. So it kind of checked a lot of boxes for me. So I'm really into Portland history. So not just the history of cemeteries and being a taffophile or whatever. It's also I'm really into Portland history. And I think the birth of Portland history can be most things can be circled back to Lone Bear Cemetery. That's interesting that you say the birth of it could be because it's a place of death. Right. But it's like. death and birth there's so much nature in yeah in the cemetery it's like you're walking through like a nature park it's so beautiful. Yeah a lot of cemeteries back in the day um that the architecture i mean that cemetery in particular lone fir wasn't really architecturally designed maybe let's say in the way the riverview or other cemeteries like uh greenwood or any of the magnificent seven over in london there were architecturally designed to be like parks So they were treated as such, they were designed as such. loan for a cemetery it was a little more um i know less uh intentional than that it was really just a pioneer cemetery that grew into what what you see it being today but back in the day uh the intention of cemeteries were to be or to be treated like parks so that's why you know the trees and All the design and stuff. So it is it creates a massive green space within the city, you know, cemeteries along with parks, they actually lower the heat.

30:11 Oh, yeah. In urban areas. Yeah. Just from all the trees and such. So. It's a lot of sense. It's amazing to me that it started like with there was just like the one tree there. Yeah. But it wasn't originally called Lone Fir Cemetery. It was called Mount Crawford Cemetery. And then prior to that, it was just the land claim from the Stevens. So, you know, they came over on the Oregon Trail, got their land claim. And, you know, it was very traditional to take the utmost least productive corner of your property and bury your family there. Fun fact, Emmer, when they came over, he was the oldest. How do I phrase this? The oldest, the earliest born person. He was born in 1777, 76, something like that. He didn't last very long in town.

30:57 After they came over, he passed away. He was older and they buried him there. There's some dispute even whether that's even the Stevens Land Claim Act or not, because the lines were so fuzzy. They parceled out the land and did all that. You were supposed to do it on, I want to say on August. low tide and he did it in high tide. So it expanded the Stevens land claim. So there's probably only amongst nerds a dispute on whether Emmer was actually even buried on the Stevens property or not. Oh, wow. That is so interesting. I had no idea. I mean, no one's like, you know, going to do anything about it, but it's like just on the precipice of being another land claim act. And so that block one over there where that road is, that's really the original part of the cemetery.

31:40 So yeah. Because that's the original entrance to the cemetery is that side. It wasn't 26. It was that corner. Yeah, it's pretty fun to hang out in cemeteries. Like I said, if you were to look up old pictures, here's a really old picture online of Riverview from, I want to say, like the late 1800s, early 1900s of a family picnicking there. So the properties were designed for it. So it's nice to see people. admiring and appreciating the nature of the space it's what we want. Yeah like it doesn't always have to be a creepy thing like oh we're going to the cemetery we're gonna do a seance not at all it's beautiful i mean people have different perspectives uh and takes on cemeteries but certainly it can be tranquil it can be nice it can be beautiful it can be there's a rose garden alone for a cemetery there's all kinds of trees um the the bird alliance.

32:28 Of organ i have to remember to get the name right because they're no longer the audubon society do their annual bird count at Lone Fur because there's so many different birds that migrate and hang out. Oh, wow. Yeah. At any given point, you can see all different kinds of birds in there. I wanted to ask about the tours, what kind of tours you guys do. And I saw that you might be sold out of the. We are sold out. Oh my gosh. But we still want to talk about them so that people maybe next year can get a jump on getting their tickets. Yeah. Or just come out to our regular tours. So We do, I'll just kind of dial it back. So we do monthly tours. So every first Saturday, we do a tour called Stories in Stone. And the intention of that tour is to really not have it be so much historical or chronological of the goings-ons of Lone Fir.

33:16 It's really the unique space that Lone Fir is. Some of the artistic headstones, some of the meanings of some of the headstones and the different art and the different representation and women of the world are hey, this headstone means this. This is some Victorian art. So we talk a little bit about that to capture just sort of what would be kind of like the rest of the cemetery, for lack of a better phrase. And then the second Saturday is our historical tour. And so we really want to educate people. It's part of our tenet as a nonprofit within our mission is to educate people because I really feel like if more people are educated, they'll have a kinship and a stewardship to the property. And they're not only less likely to vandalize it, I feel like a lot of vandalism is unintentional. Like people hang out there, they want to party. I don't know what they want to do. And they accidentally knock things over or they bring their dog into the cemetery or whatever. And, and then so on and so forth. But I think you're more likely to covet it, the space and create stewardship.

34:13 If you're pretty invested in either cleaning it or maintaining it, or, you know, the history of it. So we do that. The third Saturday is April through September. We do. Headstone workshops where we teach folks how to clean the headstones, get some help, volunteer help to go out through the cemetery and clean some up. And then the fourth Saturday and the tours are all year long is our women's tour. So we just talk and highlight the prominent women that are buried throughout Lone Fork Cemetery. And then every October we try to do something interesting or fun. So in years past, we did a tour and we still do a tour called Tour of Untimely Departures. It's a lot of work. It's a lot of investment. If we decided we're going to do that tour, we decided like January and February pretty early in the year because it takes so many volunteers. It takes so much of what we do to put that on. We have 1,200 people that walk through the cemetery between five and four hours. Tours leave every eight minutes. And it's just a lot. It's a lot of coordination. It's a lot of event management.

35:15 Things that are in and outside of our wheelhouse, right? We're a nonprofit wanting to do modest tours, educate people, and all of a sudden we've got this really large, massive event. That's just a lot of work. So we don't do it every year because of that. So it doesn't allow us to focus on other things. Like if we had done tour of untimely departures this year, we may not have introduced the women's tour, which is a newer tour this year, or the journal club, which is on Sundays by a volunteer. We just don't have time to ingratiate other things. Yeah. So anyways. But then we try to go, well, a couple of years, this is the third time we've done Tombstone Twilight. We thought, well, let's do something a little less. Still something cool, but a little more dialed down, volunteer-wise, dialed down. We're not getting tense and blocking out the street, doing it at night.

36:01 Do it right at twilight. We'll do it right at dusk. Because it's a pretty cool vibe. If you go into the cemetery now, about 5.30, 6, right around now, it's a little darker in the cemetery than it is everywhere else just because of the trees. Yeah. And it really is a cool, really neat vibe. So we're like, let's do something then. Less permitting because it's not at night, whatever. We're not going to close down the cemetery. Let's do it. And the couple of times we did it was really successful. People were really into it. So then this year, since last year was pretty successful with tour of untimely departures, we're like, okay, we're not going to do for acronym forest. We're not going to do TUD this year. Let's do this. But the biggest complaint that we get isn't just that we don't do TUD every year. It's that how come you don't offer it more than one night for all the reasons I mentioned, right?

36:44 So I thought, well, let's do this tour, but let's do it every Saturday in the month of October. So this year is the first time that we've done it more than one night. Oh, wow. So that's very new. So every other time we've done it, it's always been like the Saturday before Halloween. We did four or five tours, 25, 30 people each tour, and we called it good. But I thought, well, if we're going to We're going to switch it up and disappoint people. Let's at least try to lean into the biggest request that we get besides the tour itself is to do it more than once, which is the goal. Well, I'm so jealous of everyone who got tickets because I did not.

37:24 Yeah, it's pretty cool. So instead of each stop, the actors, there's no actors portraying anything. It's really the tour guide. The way we're seeing is the tour guide is like the ghost. And they're dressed up. So instead of having 10 volunteers just right there on each stop, we just have the one tour guide. So we've already reduced our headcount of volunteers. It doesn't make it less fun. It's probably a little less impactful than Tud, and it's not at night. It's still cool, though. We're still excited. If anyone did any of the tours on timely departures the last couple of years, we didn't repeat any of the stops. So If you feel like, oh, I went last year. I got a ticket. Is it going to be the same thing? It's not. We try really hard not to recycle that often so that you feel like you're getting something new or different.

38:10 That's awesome. Yeah. But hey, you know, like what I was getting at too is we were doing it every Saturday, but we still have our historical tours and our women's tour and all that stuff in October and November. So if folks want to come out, November has a really high turnout with tours. It's not quite, quite cold. It's really beautiful in the cemetery with fall and the trees and leaves and stuff. So I encourage people to give that a shot. I know it's not as cool, but it is still pretty cool. It's still pretty fun. So before it gets to be super wet and dark and cold and rainy, it's a really good time to come out. And all the funds that go through for tours and events like that all go back to us as a nonprofit. So in so many ways, you're supporting us in our ability to keep the lights on, so to speak. So tours, supplies or our website domain you know to pay for our insurance in order to be a non-profit all the things that you know.

39:06 Do you guys do any of like the fixing up of the monuments or anything like that or would that be a separate yeah it really. Just depends so sometimes we're involved um it isn't our property it's metros so i was just out there on friday and i saw a few hudson's that have been knocked over and i will immediately send pictures over to um one of the main folks the sort of the head of the park rangers his name is monty woods really great guy really into what we do very supportive of the organization so i'm always really trying to send off information to him pretty quickly and they'll get people to come out it depends it's their it's their property we're just sort of like in their sandbox but if there's opportunities to um support and help replace headstones or put in headstones. So Hattie Redmond's an example where she did not have a headstone. We paid for it. We put it in. We partner with an elementary school, I want to say almost 10 years ago, and they helped raise money for Gus Waterford, which is one of the first African-American firefighters in Portland. They came up with a certain amount of money. We kicked in the rest. He has headstone now. So Asa Lovejoy, all the outlining in black that you see, we've helped restore and put that back. So, yeah, we try to do our very best to help support and restore when and where we can.

40:26 Do you know anything about the Bottler brothers, Maz and Young? Yeah, the Bottler. We've done a few, like, fundraisers for that. The problem is, is the Bottler, and it is what it is. I wouldn't say it's a problem. It's that the family lineage is still in Portland. Oh. It's really theirs, right? We can't just go in and be like, we're going to redo it and restore it. really them that can do it. So their family line is still alive and well in Portland. Oh, wow. And so we did invite them out to a few of our events and such, but we can't just go in and make changes. The cemetery is on the historical registry. There's just red tape and due diligence. We can't just go in and be like, we're going to improve this.

41:08 That makes a lot of sense. Yeah. So, yeah. So that's kind of the deal with that is we have to be, it's, you know, it's their It's their headstone. It's their property. So same for me, like, personally, like, the bottler... The bottler crypt is something that is really, you know, really cool, and I would hate to have it continue to degrade. It's one of the main anchors in the cemetery, but for me, like, the crown jewel, so to speak, is the Moklai Moslem. Yeah, that is gorgeous. And so it's just at the point where it's just the A and the C on the name now. Yeah. And so to me... Like that's the bigger concern is that mausoleum right there. Is there any plans to get that fixed up?

41:50 No. The family still is alive and well in Portland. They became the curse. Oh, okay. So I think the most recent burial was probably about 10 years ago inside of there. Believe it or not, there's still some empty spots. It's really up to them. So I don't know why or what. I don't know if they see the value and it would be millions of dollars to get it fixed and restored. Um, so that's a bigger thing, right? Where we try and, oh, like let's help raise a couple thousand dollars to put in a headstone. Like that's kind of where we're at and what we try to do. We try to be a little more low key and grassroots that would have to be really big grant writing. And, and maybe that's something of the loan for a foundation, which is a separate foundation. They're also a nonprofit and they're sort of an outshoot of friends of loan for some of the original folks from friends of loan for started the loan for a foundation, but their big sort of task at hand and their focus has been block 14.

42:42 Yes, that is a huge project that I was definitely heading towards asking you about. Do you know anything about the timeline of that? It's hard to say because it's really, again, it's Metro's property and they did get a bond. So there's funding for it. So there was a bond that got, you know, earmarked for that space. And I know Lone Fork Foundation has raised a lot of money for it. And they've partnered with all the appropriate folks for the space and the design. I've seen the design evolve. so many times in the 10 plus years i've been involved in in loan for and it's it's just cost and different measures and you know oh we want a water feature but you can't really have a water feature because someone will probably mess with it or do whatever and or who's going to maintain that it's all about you know in perpetuity like let's look at this in 10 years from now right yeah and how will it look and who's going to maintain it right will it be dilapidated you know so i think they've had to reframe how it's going to look and how it's going to be so that it's a a cool space. It was also going to be more of a shared space for Hawthorne's patients, but that's been more dialed back because there is more of an emphasis on the Chinese that.

43:49 Are over there. Yeah. Which is definitely understandable. Totally. Yeah. And so they've really wanted to make sure that they have it all. There'll be mention of it, of Hawthorne's patients, but I think the focus of the space, rightfully so, is going to be for Block 14, it's going to be the Chinese immigrants and folks that were interred there. So that, I mean... As far as I can tell, I haven't seen, you know, we were kind of in the sidelines rooting for it. Definitely the loan for a foundation, sort of the main focal group that's really kind of driven it through to the end. I want to say maybe next year. I mean, I know they've had a lot of, for lack of a better phrase, they've had a lot of like, like, you know, community, like you can speak up, you know, and say, Hey, what do you think of this design? Or, you know, like town hall type stuff for the community. And so, yeah, they wanted the public to be involved in what they thought it should look like. And so there's been many of that in the last year. So I don't know where we are in the stage of it, but I definitely know the money's been earmarked and we're at the finishing line for sure.

44:50 That's awesome. I can't wait for that to start. And then I don't know how long it would take them to build it, but it just seems like such a nice, peaceful sanctuary spot to go. Yeah. So we did do an episode on... and I just researched stuff, you know, from the internet. So I did read that there was a little girl's angel statue, uh, Ada, and it was stolen and it said it had been replaced. But then when I went to go find it, it's gone. Yeah. She's been stolen again. I'm not sure the draw to her as to why she's stolen so often. I want to say maybe three or four years ago, she was, um, Someone knocked her down. I mean, she's only like five or six years old. I don't understand. Like, and I remember picking, I found her on the ground when I was at Lone Fir because I spent a lot of time there. No surprise. And I found her on the ground and she's an extremely heavy little girl, the statue or the headstone. They put her back and then she's stolen again. I don't know if we have her back or not.

45:53 Oh, that is just so sad. But she's been stolen like three or four times. I don't. I'm not really. Yeah, again, it's it's really sad. She's a little girl. It's like, leave her alone. Yeah, I know. I went and I spent some time after because I did do the headstone cleaning. And so I went and wandered around and looked at all the headstones we'd talked about. So I spent a lot of time with her because I just felt so bad that she doesn't have her little angel statue. I don't know why I felt really drawn to her, too, but maybe that's what other people are feeling. Well, they just want really cool garden art. You know, I can go in a whole like speech about vandalism and why people do that. And I don't know, it's, we saw an uptick of it, um, during, um, COVID actually during the pandemic, we saw an uptick of it that just lent us to think that we're, our presence does detour it. We don't like to think that highly of ourselves, but at the time, you know, um, that was sort of the birth of Friends of Longford to begin with is to create stewardship and to minimize vandalism and to clean up the cemetery and all that. And, I think if people feel there's a presence there that they're less likely to do it. But during the pandemic, obviously, we were all in lockdown and we weren't as out there as much. And so we just started to really see vandalism kick up. And it was happening all throughout the city. So it wasn't exclusive to Lone Fur, but it's very upsetting. It is. The soldier on the soldier's monument is pretty much destroyed. So that guy's not going back up. And that was one of the first things that Lone Fur did was restore the soldier he'd been knocked down before. Re-bronze him, put him back up. It was one of the first things that the Friends of

47:24 Longford Cemetery did. In fact, if you go back and you look, there's a movie, not a good one, by the way, but I highly recommend watching the first 10 minutes of it and then do what you want after that to start it off. But it's a movie called Body of Evidence, which is a Madonna movie. Oh. And it's filmed in Portland. I feel like I've seen this movie. It's totally not good, but you probably maybe at the time wasn't looking at it with the lens you're going to look at it now. So go back. think it's free you can watch it on any streaming right or maybe even find it on youtube or something but she you know is a woman scorned i don't actually remember the story but she lives in piddock mansion by the way oh it's kind of funny the house is piddock mansion then something about her husband dies oh she kills him i don't know if that's the premise of the story or whatever but um he's buried at lone fir so lone fir cemetery But if in the background of the movie, this is how nerded out we is. No one where people get, you can see the soldier's monument without the soldier because the movie came out before friends of loan for cemetery.

48:24 Oh, wow. You know what I mean? And so you can still see some of the glass in the mausoleum. It used to be. So there's that entrance point at the McClay mausoleum where there's the gate on that gate. It says Kerr because they became the curse. But if you were to walk all the way around before that, that fence got put up. You walk all the way around and there's a door behind there and it leads upstairs into, um, a chapel in the mausoleum. Oh, oh, that's so cool. Which is no longer open to the public. Yeah. I can see why it's pretty, uh, yeah, it looks like it's falling apart a little bit. Well, but anyways, if you want to see a good solid 10 minutes of nineties loan for a cemetery, go check it out. That is so cool. I definitely will have to look at that.

49:09 Uh, a friend of mine, Tara did a movie there. She, um, It was called My Summer's a Goth. She did a movie there and filmed lots of it there. I think Grimm's couple episodes were filmed at Lone First. Cemetery. That makes sense. Yeah. I did want to ask you about the Rose Garden because I didn't know that was there until I kind of was walking around looking and I was like, oh, there's like a little rose garden here. There is. Yeah. It's one of the original pioneer rose gardens. So back in the day, roses are not local to Portland at all. They're not. At all. They're not indigenous to Portland. You wouldn't know it. You wouldn't know it being that it's Rose city. So the pioneer ladies were really, really into their roses and they would bring them over and they would stick the little bits in like the thorns or whatever they would, the bulbs, they would stick it in potatoes and soak the potatoes to keep them wet and to keep them alive.

50:05 And then when they came over here, they would plant them. And there was a certain number like two or three original Rose gardens from the, the original pioneer women that came over, they're all gone except for the one in loan for cemetery. Oh, wow. They're all gone. Yeah. And then anything you hear after that, like the one at peninsula park or lads edition or the international test garden, those are all old Rose gardens for sure, but not the pioneer Rose gardens from back in the day. Wow. So this is like really special. Yeah. It's one of the last ones. It's the last one. Um, they all had died off so we do have a volunteer and some groups that come out and help maintain the rose garden it's really neat it's a really quiet cool space yeah.

50:46 It does look really well maintained it is nice over there yeah we're excited to have it there's a little plaque there you can read a little bit more when you walk over to it so i have to know what you think of the james and elizabeth stevens headstone do you think it's creepy or do you think it's sweet. I think it's sweet i don't think it's creepy That's what I think, too. I think that it started to, you know, the type of material that it is, which is like sugar marble. Over time, it starts to look more like weepy and the black. And we've cleaned it a few times. But that's how they made headstones back then. That's how they looked back then. They were modest, sturdy people.

51:27 Yeah. You know what I mean? And yeah, no, I don't think it's creepy at all. I think what makes it look creepy to people is just because It's old. Yeah. And it takes up one full side, which the image, by the way, that's the backside of that stone. Because remember, the entrance was the other side to the inscription to the front. Oh, that is interesting. That kind of does put like a different perspective on it a little bit. Yeah. And J.B. Stevens would walk every day up what was baseline to go visit her because she died before him. I know. He wanted to hold her hand again. Yeah. Yeah. Have you experienced any creepy stuff, like hauntings in the cemetery? No.

52:09 I know some of our volunteers and board members have discussed that, but I haven't really too much. I kind of have the feeling that when all of us friends of Lone Fur volunteers and board members die, we'll probably haunt it. And the reason I say that is because we spend so much time there. Yeah. Right? So. I don't know the connection some folks would have to that space. Maybe the Stevens would. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. Because you're more likely to visit your home or haunt your, you know, your family. But the cemetery is like, unless you're really tied to that space emotionally. I don't know that. I don't know. Right. Yeah. I'm kind of I'm kind of on that same line of thinking, too. Yeah. I don't know that cemetery is haunted as people think, although the only experience that I've ever had was at Wilhelms.

52:56 And so I was there, and there was a really, really cold area. I mean, it's kind of cold there anyways, but there's a certain part where I felt, I thought I felt a presence there. Oh. But it's one of the few times, it's the oldest part of Wilhelm, which is if you ever go do a little thing about them, you should do a thing about them. Is that a cemetery too? Oh, it's one of the largest, like, mausoleums in the west of the Mississippi. There's like 30,000, 40,000 people interred in there. They're not buried at all. They're in the wall. Oh, gosh. Yeah. Where is this at? It's on, it's in Selwood. Oh my gosh. This is why, okay. This is one of the reasons I have a podcast that talks about like the Pacific Northwest. Cause I lived here my whole life and I don't know anything.

53:39 Yeah. So they do. I've only lived here for, well, 16 years, but you know more than me. Yeah. But again, it's the Portland history that I'm related to. So, um, I think like, was it Clark Gable's first wife is buried there. Um, the Povoy brothers are buried or interred there and you might, who's the Povoy brothers, but they did all the glass, the Pitt mansion. Anytime you see old stained glass, like the old church, I'm not very familiar with that venue. Um, there's a few homes within Portland, um, all Povoy glass and they were trained and mentored by Tiffany glass. So it's got that vibe to it. Polson and Inman. So the Inman Polson, um, working, they did the Inman Polson lumber. That big blue house over on just by Ross Island Bridge?

54:21 Mm-hmm. Yep. That's Johan Poulsen's house. And so him and Inman, Robert Inman, had a lumber yard. And they were supplying lumber to the city, but they both had twin houses. So you can now Google the Inman house that's been torn down. But there's the Poulsen house. Then they're both in toward there, too. So just saying. Wow. There's a lot of history there. Oh, yeah. That's definitely going to be something I'm going to be looking into after this. Yeah. So definitely, you guys, are you always looking for volunteers? Yeah, we're always looking for have more people to help us out. The more we can. So the more we can recruit volunteers throughout the year, the more reliable people are, the more people are dedicated. Just we're not having to retrain people and have a constant fresh new batch. We want to have people help with projects and do other things.

55:08 So it's really helpful for us if you're involved and you're interested and you want to become a board member. you know, people want to move on sometimes and that's okay, but we want to continue to have more ideas, more involvement. Um, so yeah, we're always looking for volunteers. We always want people to be board members or to help out or be involved in projects or do other things. And we're, we think outside the box. So last year I, I did, um, a, uh, screening, which is a fundraiser for us at Clinton street theater and Tara came out and we showed my summer as a goth because it was September, October, and it was, You know, that movie came out a few years ago and she was gracious enough to let it screen in Clinton Street Theater. And we went to anyway. So we did that. And then I rented a Holocene and we did tunes for Tombstone. So I got a bunch of bands and we did a bunch of stuff. So I want to do I haven't done it yet because I've just been so busy this past year. But there's an event I wanted to do maybe at Crush or somewhere else, but show Body of Evidence, which is what I want to do. and have a drag show called Death is a Drag.

56:16 Oh, my gosh. Okay, I'm coming to that. Please let me know when this is happening. So just different ideas. And part of it was to outreach outside of the cemetery and to involve the community and to do different things within the community. So, for example, we did Ghosts of Summer this past year and the year before, which is sort of a vending event. We've been to that. Yeah. Yeah. And then this year, OMSI, I think every year they do, but OMSI invited us to come out to OMSI After Dark. And so it's October 30th and it's I think the theme is called spirits. And so they've got a whole, I don't know, program planned or different things. So we're going to be out there with a booth, just talking about what we do. That's October 30th. You can go to Omti's website and find out more about tickets. So we're trying to do more things. We're getting invited to do more things outside of the cemetery, which is pretty fun and pretty cool.

57:05 Awesome. But we need more volunteers to be able to do it. Right. Yeah. Yeah. We can't have the same five or six people showing up every single thing. Like, You're going to keep going. You keep seeing me. And you'll be like, do you want to just do it all? I'm like, I do. But also, there's just a core of, you know, there's a consistent core of us. We would love more people out there. So how do you recommend getting started volunteering? Just email us at info at, you know, friendsofloneforcemetery.org. And we'll get back to you. And we'll give you a whole step-by-step on how to do it. And then, you know, let us know what you're interested in. If it's, you know, hanging around tours, helping out with tours. Is it helping be a site steward for next year's headstone workshops and what that looks like. You want to do research. Do you want to do, it's a whole slew of things, you know, do you want to help? We have a whole sort of crew out there that we've got work working on besides headstone workshops. They're helping sort of uproot some of the sunken in headstones or a lot of them you think, Oh, they're gone, but they're just sunken in.

58:03 So we have like an edging crew is what we're calling them. And they come out and they do, they pull weeds or they you know do things just a variety of things that you. Can help out with that's awesome um what is the email we'll put it in the show notes just in case but i want to say it out loud too. Yeah it's just info at friends of loan for cemetery.org. So easy everyone please volunteer help out donate if you can too if you can't volunteer your time you know yeah Volunteer your money. Yeah. You can also come out. We've got shirts that we sell. We have them for sale at Skeleton Key. They're good friends of us. They help sort of be our storefront. If you can't come out to tours, we will have them for sale at our tours in October. So even if you don't go on a tour, you can pop over.

58:49 And if you want to buy a shirt, you can do that. Everything just helps support us. It helps support who we are and keeping the lights on, so to speak. So it's always appreciated. And we appreciate you, the people who take care of this awesome space that we get to enjoy. So thank you so much for doing that as well. Thank you. Really appreciate it. Was there anything any last words you have the dog. Might yeah yeah truly does um no i just think i appreciate the the community support and the interest this year is like the highest attended headstone workshop we were getting like 60 people per session at times and it was just amazing and great and Hopefully that really sparks some interest with people throughout the year. We do different stuff.

59:34 So yeah, just come out and check it out and know that any tour that you go on and anything that you do where you buy a ticket or you buy a shirt, you're spending money on a nonprofit. So we all are volunteers. I've been doing this for 12 years and I've been doing it for free. So this is just something where all the money goes back into us being able to do really cool stuff. So every dollar that you spend supports that effort. All right. Well, it's so nice to talk to you, Margaret. Thank you for doing this interview with me. Nice to talk to you. Thank you so much. We hope you enjoyed that interview with Margaret. She was so sweet to talk to us. And she did offer to let us come to one of these sold out Twilight Tombstone Twilight Twilight Tombstone tours. One of I can't think.

1:00:27 Of Tombstone, Twilight, Twilight, Tombstone. Twilight, Tombstone. It's not about Twilight. It's just at Twilight, the time of the day. It's not about Toilet. But I'm really excited because they were sold out. And I was like, oh, I really wanted to go. And she was so sweet to offer to let us come to one of those. So I am dragging Caitlin to a cemetery, you guys. I finally did it. Uh-huh. I'm going. To the cemetery. She's going to the cemetery. Her comfort item, Chris, is allowed to go. I did have to ask for her. My companion husband. I did. When I talked about him, I called him your comfort item. And our tech guy.

1:01:14 Oh, yeah. I mean, he does help us a lot technologically, especially when we travel. Yes. Oh, boy. And that's not the only. Tour that we're going to be going on this season. And that's all I'm saying about that. You'll have to wait. Okay. I was going to say, are we telling them or? No, we're not telling them yet. That's going to be its own episode. Ooh. Pretty sure. So. I'm so excited. How many times have I said stay tuned to this episode? Just like keep listening to us. Keep doing it. Please share us with your friends. Wee. Wee.

1:01:55 Spooky season. Okay, I'm going to do one more shuffle. Get my energies into it. Get it, get it. Send me all your energy from the future. Help me pull this card. Oh, Seven of Swords. It is a little ghosty holding five swords, and then there's two kind of hanging out next to him. And upright, correct? Yes. Okay. Our keywords are uncertainty, illusion, impetuousness, stealth, cunning, and strategy.

1:02:37 Some decks, including the Rider-Waite-Smith, Aquarian, and Gilded Tarot, show a man carrying away five swords, leaving two stuck in the ground behind him. When this card appears, it suggests you're facing a challenge or problem and must use caution to overcome potential danger. Please be careful out there during the spooky season. Yes. In the dark. Yeah, especially, especially. The upright seven suggests a tricky situation in which things are not completely clear. Very on brand for the season.

1:03:18 You may be formulating a plan, but don't have all the information you need. Or the plan may be risky and could backfire. Don't be visiting abandoned buildings at night to ghost hunt. Or maybe not cemeteries. I don't know. It's hard to say what it's about exactly. We're not going to the cemetery alone. I'm having second thoughts. It is a tour with tons of people around. It's guided. It's safe. Okay. Don't go alone at night. This card can represent surreptitious action and advises diplomacy. In a reading about money, the seven warns that you probably shouldn't go ahead with financial idea or investment you're considering.

1:04:08 Perhaps the risks are too high. Or the deal may be shaky or shady. Oh, I'm going to watch out for those shady deals. Yeah. The whole time I'm walking around the cemetery, I'm just like, I'm not making any deals. Might be beyond that. I'm just really focused on that whole thing, I feel. I feel like once you listen to the interview with Margaret, you're not going to be scared of the cemetery really anymore. Okay. That would be the first time in my life. But first time for everything. If the reading is about your job, this card suggests... Oh, this card says, don't engage in direct confrontation. So don't go all Zach Baggins, Zach Bagel Bites.

1:04:55 All over the place. Don't Bagel Bites the demons. Yeah, that's right. Don't Bagel Bites the demons. Work behind the scenes to get results. The upright seven can also indicate restlessness. Perhaps your job lacks the diversity or stimulation you desire. Consider making a change. Well, I'd really love to. Will you support us on Patreon so that I can no longer work my soul-sucking corporate job? Please, please. In a reading about love, which is, of course, how you feel for us and therefore wish to support us financially, please.

1:05:35 In a reading about love, you're advised to seek compromise and use diplomacy rather than arguing with a partner but don't just go along to get along and that's why i am no longer going on the tour because i cannot go along to get along. Yes you can. Sometimes this card shows leaving a relationship that doesn't meet your intellectual or spiritual needs. You're like, I'm leaving you. I'm leaving you. Yeah. We have nothing in common. Okay, there's an extra excerpt. Be focused and thorough in planning your strategy. As Barbara Moore writes in The Gilded Tarot Companion, be on guard or one of those swords he left behind will find its way into his back.

1:06:33 Okay. Okay. Well, now it seems like it's hinting at murder. I just feel like it's just a good reminder for people because we, you know, drew the card just for, you know, spooky season. So just a reminder to just watch out. Be safe. There's illusions. There's all kinds of illusions. There's people dressed up. Just be safe. It's interesting, though, because like in this card, like it just looks like, you know, the sun is setting. Yeah. Earlier. I don't know. And we're talking about like the twilight tombstones. Yeah. Okay, I'm going to read the extra excerpt at the end of the reverse interpretation. I feel like I'm going to live to regret it because it kind of seems like it's taking your stupid side.

1:07:19 It always does. Tragedy should be utilized as a source of strength. No matter what sort of difficulties, how painful experience is, If we lose our hope, that's our real disaster. Do you want to guess who said that? I have no idea. His holiness. Jesus Christ. The 14th Dalai Lama. Oh. Yeah, no, I don't read a lot of Jesus quotes. Yeah, I don't think there's a lot of Jesus quotes in the tarot book. Probably not. Do we have anything else to share with the people or? I don't.

1:07:59 But if you guys, you know, want to let us know how if this card helped you out, if you're listening to it at the exact right moment you needed it, you can always let us know. I think it's interesting to see like how far down the road when people are listening to, you know, certain tarot reads and how they relate to their own lives that are happening. Yeah. At that moment. Yeah. Yeah. It just makes me think of that. I think it's kind of a trend on it's multiple platforms. But I always think of TikTok where it's like, I don't need I don't know who needs to hear this today, you know? And I'm like, oh, yeah, because sometimes, you know, you're seeing that sometimes. you know, weeks, months, however long after the person has kind of put that out.

1:08:48 I mean, on TikTok, aren't things dead after like an hour? Basically. No one sees it again. Yeah, so it feels like it's even more meant to be, right? I feel like with ours, ours is gonna last for years and years so like 200 years down the road let us know how this card relates. To you ticking and talking you know cause you sent me your energy and it went into that card and it's for you. Well let's go do some spooky shit okay yeah. Let's go be spooky. We're gonna be spooky for so many more weeks I know I'm so excited. We really need to do midnight margaritas like very soon. Okay. Okay. Like for real, like a live stream, actual midnight margarita. That'd be fun. We can do that.

1:09:32 Do you guys want that? Are you into it? Join us at midnight. That's really late, but like you guys can do it. We can do it on a Saturday night. Yeah. Keep it fresh. Keep it frunky. It's just a bunch of us sleeping. Yeah. We all have an alarm set to wake us up at midnight for the margarita. Probably more accurate. Yeah. That's what happens in the movie, though. So that's more authentic. Is it? Yeah. She wakes her up with the blender. Yeah, you're right. Wake up her sister. My God, you guys. This has been a millennial, an elder millennial calling card from from from the jump. OK, so. Let's do this. I have a blender. Do you have a blender? Let's do this. I have a ninja.

1:10:16 I have a ninja too. Is a ninja a blender? It is. Okay. Yeah. It doesn't matter because you'll be here and we'll use my ninja. Okay. Sounds good. Well, everyone get your blenders. Get prepared. Yeah. I think that's a fun idea. Keep you updated. Keep you posted. In the meantime, have a creepy ass day. We'll see you next Tuesday. We're at midnight. Whatever. Unless we lost Caitlin at the cemetery. I need my comfort item. I need my comfort item. Oh, no. It's my headphones. You guys, this is a mess.

1:10:57 What is happening? That witch cackle. That really got me. We love to witch cackle. Damn. We better go. She's losing it. Gotta get this girl a margarita, even though it's not midnight.