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Fall Adventures: Practical Magic & Cemetery Tours

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In celebration of Practical Magic 2 coming out this week, we’re returning to an episode where we visit the bewitching Pacific Northwest seaside town where Practical Magic was filmed!

The enchantment doesn't stop there—while chatting with Margaret from Friends of Lone Fir Cemetery, we delve into her passion for preserving historic sites and the engaging tours that breathe life into forgotten stories.

Our conversations even traverse through enormous pumpkin growing competitions, tea leaf readings, and Samhain celebrations! As spooky season unfolds, our tarot reading advises caution and strategy, ensuring you're well-prepared for whatever may come. Whether you're a movie enthusiast or a history buff, there's a little something for everyone in this episode, promising thrills and chills with a side of humor.

Interested in volunteering at Lone Fir Cemetery!? Email Margaret - info@friendsoflonefircemetery.orgRooted in History: Unearthing Lone Fir Cemetery's Haunting Past

Check out Aimee in the Pacific Northwest's blog for more cool stuff!

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Have you seen Practical Magic?

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Obviously.

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One of our favorite movies. Love fucking Practical Magic. And

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I learned something very recently that I had no idea about.

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And I was so fucking excited, you guys. I have

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to take a drink. I'm so excited.

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Oh, my God.

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Well, don't leave us hanging.

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The downtown scenes in Practical Magic were filmed in a

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little seaside town called Coopville, Washington. On Whidbey Island.

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Yeah.

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Did you know this?

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I did.

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Did you find this out this year like me or

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did you already know? Hi, Caitlin. Hi, Cassie. Hi, creepy people. Hello!

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If you're new to our creepy corner of the world,

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this is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we chat about

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true crime, the paranormal, and all things spooky in the

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Pacific Northwest.

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That we do. We also... Well, you.

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Keep forgetting the P & W if you're nasty.

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Oh. Okay. Well, I'll just say that. Okay.

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Editors fix this.

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I love being a passenger princess. P & W if

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you're nasty.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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We also do a tarot reading at the end of

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every episode for a little bit of deeper insight into

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our topic. Like pumpkin butts.

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Ooh. Are we talking about pumpkin booties today? Sexy little

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pumpkin booties.

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You're going to have to tell me.

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For those of you that aren't watching the video, I

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have a little pumpkin booty pin on my mic.

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There she does.

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That's where that's coming from. And I have McGruff.

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He's not quite at the right angle in this shot.

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I'm now realizing.

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Oh, no.

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But he's there.

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He takes a bite out of crime. Is that his slogan?

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That he does. Yeah. I think that's exactly what it

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says on the pin. Yeah.

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It's too small for me to read. Yeah. Well, that's fair. Well, unfortunately,

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today is not about pumpkin booties, but we do have

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some fun stuff to talk about. Have you seen Practical Magic?

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Obviously.

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One of our favorite movies. Love fucking Practical Magic. And

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I learned something. Very recently that I had no idea about.

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And I was so fucking excited. You guys, I have

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to take a drink. I'm so excited.

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Oh, my God.

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Well, don't leave us hanging.

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The downtown scenes in Practical Magic were filmed in a

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little seaside town called Coopville, Washington. On Whidbey Island.

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Did you know this? I did. Did you find this

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out this year like me or did you already know?

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Um, I don't think I previously knew. I think I

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stumbled upon this a few weeks ago.

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This popped up in my Google, you know, where it

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has like suggestions of things of like articles to click.

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And I was like, oh, practical magic. And I was like,

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no fucking way.

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I think that's exactly what happened.

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To me, too. It's so funny. I wonder how many

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other people this happened to, but.

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Well, I will say.

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Don't say anything because that's in my episode.

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You don't even know what.

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I was going to say.

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Okay. No, I went to Raven's Manor.

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Oh, okay.

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Last night. We went for Chris's birthday to celebrate for

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also his mom and his brother. Some fun life events

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that are going on for them.

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And....

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So we went to Raven's Manor. We did the photo booth.

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Oh, fun. I haven't done the photo booth yet because

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it was like pretty new and we went last and

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then we forgot about it.

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Oh, yeah.

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I specifically told Chris, I was like, don't forget the

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photo booth. Yeah. I want to do that.

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We did that. And then also there is a tequila

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tasting experience. Oh. Named, I don't know, something about Sanderson Sisters.

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Oh, like my shirt. Why would they name the tequila

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after the Sanderson sisters?

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Midnight Margaritas.

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That's a different movie.

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I know, but I feel like it's just a vibe.

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But like, why wouldn't they name it Midnight Margaritas?

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Like, I don't know.

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Sanderson sisters. And yeah, it just they took all of

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the witchiness and they're just like. And they smashed it together.

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And like a Play-Doh ball of a bunch of different colors. Yeah. Anyways,

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I'm so sorry. That bothers me now, though, that they

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named it Sanderson Sisters and not after Practical Magic.

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I know, I was like, Sanderson.

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I was like, wait.

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It's funny, though, that I'm wearing the shirt. Yeah. It

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all connects.

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It all connects. It all circles back.

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Back to real Practical Magic and not the Sanderson Sisters.

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We are, what is their name? What's their last name

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in there? Oh, God.

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Okay, I'll look.

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Who knows? Typing is not. owens owens that yeah yeah

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yeah okay back to the owens sisters so all of

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the buildings in this little seaside town were painted white

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for the filming of practical magic.

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Oh that's interesting i.

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Know but they have since repainted them back to their

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original colors so they're not all white but i thought

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that was like kind of interesting yeah i never really

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i guess i never really noticed in the film all

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of the buildings are white Are.

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They supposed to be in the Pacific Northwest in the movie?

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No, I think they're like on the East Coast. That's exactly.

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I was like, I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be

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like based on the East Coast, right? And I think

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the white buildings on the coast, that's way more like it.

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To me, the white buildings along the eastern seaboard, like

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it just thing.

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Yeah. I feel like it's not as much of a

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thing here on the West Coast. So it makes sense

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because they're like, we're just trying to make this coast

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look like that coast.

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You should Google real quick where it was set because

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I always just assumed it was East Coast because witches.

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I never really thought about it being connected to Pacific Northwest.

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So I wonder like why they shot it here.

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New England.

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Yeah. We're not right. Okay. This next part like slightly

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crushed my little creepy heart.

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No.

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Like when we talked about the Beetlejuice house. Uh-oh. So

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there is a lot of movie houses that I'm totally

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in love with. But the freaking Practical Magic house is

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like my all-time favorite. I feel like it's everyone's dream house. Oh, no.

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What happened to it? The Practical Magic house was right

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here in the Pacific Northwest as well on San Juan Island. Yep. Uh-huh. Unfortunately,

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it was just a shell built for the filming and

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then taken down. So it was not a real house.

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Do we know which of the San Juan Islands that

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it was on?

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It says on San Juan Island.

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So I don't know like. There is a San Juan.

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I believe there is a San Juan, but there's like

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a strip of islands that are all categorized as like

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the San Juan Islands. Like there's Orcas and.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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I was trying to like kind of Google it and

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I was like, I don't know. You're like, yeah.

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But so I don't know exactly where, but it's not

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there anymore. I think is probably why I gave up

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trying to figure it out. But yeah, you're like, I

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don't care anymore. It's not real. Although the interior of

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the home was also just a set, it was modeled

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after a real home located on San Juan Valley Road.

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So it was modeled after a real house, the interior.

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I love it. So while I was researching this, I

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actually stumbled upon a little blog by our friend Amy

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in the PNW. Stop it.

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I know.

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So, yeah, Amy did a little blog post about this.

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And in her blog post, it says they just announced

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summer of 2024 that Practical Magic 2 is being filmed. Really?

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And Evie will keep updating her blog as things unfold.

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So I will put a link to her blog in there.

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So keep an eye on that. And then there's more

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info and pictures because she actually goes to these places

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and takes pictures herself. So if you want to see

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pictures of that, go to her blog. Check it out.

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Super cute.

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We're going to be doing some more field trips coming

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up now.

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Yeah. Yeah, we have some stuff. I've got so.

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Much free time now that I'm done being a wedding coordinator.

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Yeah. We can go crazy. We're hitting the town.

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Painting it red. And or white.

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I was going to say, and or white. This town

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actually still celebrates every year with a practically magic movie night.

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Love it. I know. So fucking cute. I want to go.

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This year it's October 24th, 25th, and 26th. And when

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I went to the site, I saw this adorable picture

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of one of the buildings. It's Aqua Gifts in the photo. Yeah.

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And it has, like, the outline of the witches on

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the roof. Like, when they have their little umbrellas and

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they go to jump off, they have that little picture

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on there. Oh, it's so cute.

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I'm tea cuddling.

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Oh. Very fitting for the day. What's your shirt say?

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Oh, yeah.

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I'm just here for the tea. What's behind me? Teacup.

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So weird. I know.

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Weird.

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Maybe we'll talk about that later.

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As soon as I came back in here, you're like,

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you changed into that? And I was like, I mean,

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I'm wearing it, aren't I? I don't... I never know.

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And I got all the way to my closet and

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it's on... It's like... 50 feet that way i just

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i didn't want to come back and ask you like

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what am i supposed to wear to be on theme

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and you don't even need to ask yeah it's out

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telepathically or like something with tea what did your shirt

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say did we say it out loud i'm just here

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for the tea Sometimes.

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We forget you can't see us all the time. We'll

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go to YouTube. Yes. Go to YouTube to see us.

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The YouTube and all the Patreon.

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So along with the screening of the movie Practical Magic,

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there is a costume contest, trivia and filming anecdotes, music

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and popcorn. And of course, midnight margaritas.

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Yes.

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They happen all night, not just at midnight. And they

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do a beer and wine. In case you don't want

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a margarita, but you should. The town, of course, has fun,

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spooky events that aren't movie related. So if you want

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to just go there and hang out and do their

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other spooky stuff.

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You can.

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Well, these are cool, though. They have a torchlight parade

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and street dance on October 26th. And the great Coopville

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pumpkin race on the 27th. Oh, that's fun. Like they just,

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what do they do? Roll their pumpkins?

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I don't know how it works.

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I'm guessing. If you don't, you know, want to visit Coopville,

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if it's like too cute for you, you can go

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to Hillsboro, which we've never heard of. I know. Which

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is a suburb of Portland, kind of. And there is

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a Witchy shop there that we've talked about before. We've

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had them on the pod through the veil. And on 1030,

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they're having a family-friendly Samhain celebration. And they're doing s'mores

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around the fire, sipping cider and or hot cocoa while

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a kid-friendly movie is playing.

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Stop it.

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Kid-friendly Halloween movie. Hello. It's like Casper or something, kid-friendly.

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Which is perfect because if it's kid-friendly, that means I

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can watch it.

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But if you don't care about kids, if you don't

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have kids, you know, whatever.

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Whatever.

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There is an adult Samhain celebration on the 31st on Halloween,

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ages 16 and up. So their website says to join

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us around the fire while the veil is at its

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thinnest as we honor and communicate with, question mark, those

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who have crossed to the other side. They will also

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be having a lantern dance performance by the PDX Dancing Witches.

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That sounds so cool.

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I know. It sounds so fun. So they also have

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an ancestor altar where you can bring photos or something

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to represent a loved one who has crossed over. And

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they'll also have offerings and candles to lights if you

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want to go and do kind of like what this

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holiday is really about. They have that option for you. Oh,

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I love it. Speaking of Through the Veil, I went

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to one of their tea leaf reading classes the other day.

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It was so freaking fun and cute. And I got,

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you get to keep your little teacup that you use.

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So pretty.

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Mine has like bugs on it and stuff. And I

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just thought it was so cute and appropriate for me.

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Yes.

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And the tea I got is called Going No Contact Tea.

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Shut the fuck up.

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Do you want to snip it?

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Yeah.

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Let me snip it. It is.

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Oh, God.

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It's going to be like too small for me to read.

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It is.

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Okay.

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Yeah, you do it. It's on the side there. Okay.

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Okay.

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It smells so good.

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Only the finest ingredients. Medium caffeine content. And it is

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black tea, orange and tangerine pieces, calendula. safflower, marigold, sunflower petals.

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And that's it.

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Natural flavors, caffeine.

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So good though. Oh my gosh. And then see you

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like they, they teach you how, so these are classes.

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So she'll teach you how to do this stuff so

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you can do it on your own at home. But

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I got, I just thought I got the most interesting shapes.

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I got like, I thought it was a bat at first,

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but it was more like a butterfly shape or a

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moth or something. It smells so good. I got like

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a snake shape. I got some other cool things. I

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took pictures of it. But then there was like these

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two sunflower petals with like two little orange pieces both

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sitting in. And I don't know why it just like

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reminded me of like me and you like on a plane,

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like traveling somewhere. Oh, I know.

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We're going to travel.

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And we are.

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So I don't know. I thought that was cute, but

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I got pretty good pictures of the shapes and stuff

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that were in my cup.

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Did you read this quote?

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No, I didn't read because it's hard to read. No,

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I mean, but did you read it, period? No, I

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didn't read anything on that. What does it say?

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It is the kindest act of self-preservation, self-love and self-care. Aww.

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It is how we can heal our trauma.

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So true.

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Merchants of nostalgia. Life has become busy. It's time to

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slow down and savor. A portion of the proceeds support

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suicide awareness.

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Oh, I love that. That's so funny. Yesterday I went

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to the Out of the Darkness Walk, which is suicide

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awareness and prevention. Interesting.

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There's more. It's very tiny. So I see why you. Yeah.

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It's not easy going no contact, but we get it.

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This tea will help you in times of guilt and

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post gaslighting.

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Oh, it's so perfect for me. It's interesting because so

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they have a bunch of those like she had like

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at least 20 or 30 teas sitting out. Yeah. And

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I just kind of like and then like I grabbed

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that one and instantly like the imagery on it is

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like there's crows and like a creepy girl black hair. Like,

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is she like kind of doll like? And so I

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was like, oh, this one's probably like going to be

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my tea. Like, I just felt like how I draw tarot.

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I just grab it. And then I'm reading the ingredients.

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I sniffed it. I was like, this is perfect. This

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is my tea. I didn't even really like look through

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all the teas. I just kind of intuitively grabbed that one.

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That's really interesting. I'm going to Google something really quick

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before I share.

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Just so you guys know, all of the teas are

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available for sale at Ruth Bale. They're not a sponsor.

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We just love them and they love us.

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Do you know where this tea came from?

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No, I didn't read the bottles.

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That's also very small. Montana.

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Oh.

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Oddly enough.

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Eureka. Montana. Interesting.

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I didn't even know there was a Eureka in Montana.

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I thought that was our thing.

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Yeah.

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You know?

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Is there just Eurekas all over the state? I think so.

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I'm going to put my tea back here.

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It's in Lincoln County.

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Okay.

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Interesting. Oh, wow. It's basically in Canada.

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Oh, wow. Hey, Canada.

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Hey, girl. Hey. Like it's nine miles south of the

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of the.

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Canadia.

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U.S. border. Still. So it's PNW. Totally. Montana. Yeah. We

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just did an episode on Montana. That's why I brought

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it up. Your grandparents lived in Montana. Weird.

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Eureka, Montana.

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Who knew? Who knew? We know now.

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So I think we've talked about this on the pod.

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Remind me if this sounds weird. like not something anyone

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is going to be familiar with.

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Okay.

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But I'm pretty sure we've talked about the pumpkin that

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I won when I was a kindergartner. Right.

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Okay.

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I was like, please don't tell me that I am

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thinking I've told this story and I've just told it

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before and in different situations nobody's gonna know what I'm talking.

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About no you did and you said that you were

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trying to find a picture but I don't think you

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ever did I.

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Could never find one yeah yeah at some point I'll

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probably just have to go and like rummage through bins

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on bins on bins at my mom's house but one.

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Day we'll show it yeah if I can.

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Drag it down like that bitch is yours but this

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pumpkin that I'm currently looking at makes my pumpkin look

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a little Really?

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Yes.

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Okay, so I found this article and I just was like,

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we gotta, we have to pay respect to the great

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enormous pumpkin of You know, yesteryear and.

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We like big pumpkins around here.

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And pumpkin booties. So the article is entitled Enormous Oregon

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Grown Pumpkin Wins National Pumpkin Weigh Off.

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Oh, national. Damn, girl.

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Damn, girl.

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Oregon on the map. Yeah, what is she? What is she?

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She's thick. Two C's.

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That's right. In a battle to grow the heaviest pumpkin

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in the nation, a massive pumpkin grown in Oregon was

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crowned the winner on Saturday. So this article is dated 10-4.

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um i'm guessing it was the weekend um prior to

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this so like the last weekend of september well oh

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you said oh i see i see okay yeah the

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article was dated from two days ago what are you

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talking about um okay portland oregon coin one of our

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major news networks.

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6.

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Yeah, that's right. The first place pumpkin, nicknamed Hank the Tank,

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was grown by Jim Sherwood of Milano.

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Wow.

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I know.

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Who told.

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6 News the pumpkin took 108 days to grow before

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entering the 2024 National Pumpkin Way Off at Bishop's Pumpkin

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Farm in Wheatland, California. Okay, so I just need you

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to remember that this pumpkin came from Milano, Oregon.

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Okay. Where is that?

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It's like in the direction of like Oregon City can

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be out that way. Before I tell you how much

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this fucker weighed.

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Okay.

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My pumpkin weighed less than after the comma.

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There's a comma. Oh my gosh.

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In the end, Hank the Tank weighed in at 2,453 pounds.

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Pretty sure my pumpkin weighed 367 and it was the

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most enormous piece of produce I'd ever seen.

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How big?

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Cassie, I will show you the picture. You are going

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to absolutely shit your brain through your ear.

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It is enormous. Ridiculous.

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Ridiculous. I kind of thought this was a fake prop pumpkin.

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This is a real pumpkin.

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What? Yeah.

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After 23 years growing giant pumpkins, you can sum up

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this year by saying old dogs really can learn new tricks,

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Sherwood said. This was my first year growing in a greenhouse.

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Oh.

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And I really focused on networking with other top growers,

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sharing tips and growing methods. And it certainly paid off. Wow. Okay, Cassie,

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I am going to airdrop this article to you. And

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just be prepared for your brain to leave your school.

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I'm ready.

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My brain is not home at the moment, but I

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am so ready.

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Oh my God.

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Can you believe that?

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It's so big. Like, how does this even happen?

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I don't know.

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And it only took like a hundred and what? How

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many days?

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I think he said a hundred. Okay, so let's see.

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Took 108 days to grow before entering the 2024 National

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Pumpkin Weigh Off. So I'm wondering if it kept growing

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after he entered.

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Oh, I don't know. I just feel like that doesn't

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seem like enough days to get this big of a pumpkin.

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I don't know.

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Well, that's just it is like he's obviously using all

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of the tips and the tricks and trying to get

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her real thick.

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What kind of steroids are you pumping in this pumpkin, man?

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He's pumping that.

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Pumpkin full of all of the human growth hormone that

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like I probably should have been given so that I

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would reach an average height.

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Yeah, this pumpkin looks like it's droid raging all over

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the place.

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Honestly, I feel like if I stood next to it.

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You're not even as big as the stem.

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Well, listen, OK, it's not that tall when it's horizontal

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like this. Yeah, I'm still taller than the pumpkin. If

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she could stand upright, she would.

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That's tall.

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That would be different.

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That would be different. Well, what a great addition to

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this episode that you added. Thank you, Caitlin.

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I just was I literally was just thinking I was like, oh,

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maybe we'll do like a little Patreon bonus because we,

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you know, do like fun little like news episodes. paper

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articles and things that like, you know, just whatever, just

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something that would be fun to share. And I thought, oh,

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you know what? While I'm thinking of it. So I

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don't forget. And then we just never share it.

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And yeah.

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So, I mean, do it.

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I like it. I love that. I love big things.

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Very on brand with your pumpkin, but my pumpkin, but

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I was looking at this.

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Yeah.

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What's her butt? What's her name?

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One of the Sanderson sisters.

491
00:24:56.240 --> 00:24:59.900
Winifred. Oh, okay. Winifred with the pumpkin hair.

492
00:25:01.259 --> 00:25:05.339
I feel like the actresses' names come to the front

493
00:25:05.359 --> 00:25:07.089
of my head, and then I'm like, I don't think

494
00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:08.390
she was named Sarah.

495
00:25:08.930 --> 00:25:09.789
That was this one.

496
00:25:10.509 --> 00:25:11.309
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

497
00:25:11.710 --> 00:25:18.009
Mary Winifred. Mary Kathy Najimy. She's going to be in,

498
00:25:18.410 --> 00:25:21.910
I don't know what it's called. She's going to be

499
00:25:22.170 --> 00:25:25.079
in St. Helens this year for the Spirit of Halloween Town.

500
00:25:25.119 --> 00:25:27.160
I think I did. I posted like a little story

501
00:25:27.259 --> 00:25:29.619
on it. Love it. I can't remember the dates, but

502
00:25:29.660 --> 00:25:31.369
if you Google it, I'm sure you could find it.

503
00:25:31.420 --> 00:25:33.000
But I was like, oh, I want to go see her.

504
00:25:33.079 --> 00:25:33.940
But I'm so busy.

505
00:25:34.759 --> 00:25:35.220
I know.

506
00:25:35.240 --> 00:25:38.839
That's so fun.

507
00:25:40.039 --> 00:25:43.569
That is all I have. But right after this, there

508
00:25:43.619 --> 00:25:47.349
is going to be an interview with Margaret from Friends

509
00:25:47.410 --> 00:25:49.829
of Lone Fur. And we're going to talk about some

510
00:25:49.869 --> 00:25:53.769
of the... fun tours and stuff that they have going on,

511
00:25:53.910 --> 00:25:57.869
not just during spooky season, but all year. And if

512
00:25:57.910 --> 00:26:01.210
you missed the loan for episode that we did, you

513
00:26:01.250 --> 00:26:05.319
can go and search, search you that search alone for cemetery.

514
00:26:05.380 --> 00:26:06.640
I'll probably link it for you.

515
00:26:06.680 --> 00:26:08.119
I was going to say, we can link to it

516
00:26:08.180 --> 00:26:09.079
in the show notes.

517
00:26:09.140 --> 00:26:11.440
But I also like, I like to tell people like

518
00:26:11.480 --> 00:26:14.799
remind people they can actually search for episodes because I

519
00:26:14.900 --> 00:26:16.940
kind of forget. And I'm like, Oh, well let me

520
00:26:16.980 --> 00:26:20.490
just scroll this until I find it. You could be

521
00:26:20.509 --> 00:26:23.069
scrolling a minute. Let's scroll through these 200 episodes.

522
00:26:23.250 --> 00:26:24.289
Yeah, for sure.

523
00:26:24.309 --> 00:26:24.390
Yeah.

524
00:26:24.670 --> 00:26:26.190
It might take you a minute.

525
00:26:26.670 --> 00:26:29.049
Because sometimes, you know, I can only link to one thing.

526
00:26:29.109 --> 00:26:30.890
And usually it's just our website. So if you want

527
00:26:30.910 --> 00:26:32.910
to listen on Apple or something, you're going to have

528
00:26:32.930 --> 00:26:34.130
to probably search for her.

529
00:26:34.759 --> 00:26:35.859
True, true, true.

530
00:26:36.519 --> 00:26:39.500
And then I think after the interview, we're just going

531
00:26:39.519 --> 00:26:43.930
to pull a card for Spooky Season. Just Spooky Season fun.

532
00:26:44.599 --> 00:26:47.220
So it'll be at the end of the episode, just

533
00:26:47.259 --> 00:26:53.859
like any other. We'll be back. Okay. I am here

534
00:26:54.079 --> 00:26:57.609
with Margaret and I just wanted to ask you quickly

535
00:26:57.619 --> 00:27:01.930
how you are affiliated with the Loan First Cemetery.

536
00:27:02.549 --> 00:27:07.670
So I'm a part of a nonprofit 501c3 organization called

537
00:27:07.730 --> 00:27:10.769
Friends of Loan First Cemetery. And I've been involved in

538
00:27:10.789 --> 00:27:15.410
that organization for about 12 years. The organization, yeah, the

539
00:27:15.450 --> 00:27:17.690
organization has been around since 2000. We're going to hit

540
00:27:17.710 --> 00:27:21.759
our 25 year anniversary next year as an organization. We

541
00:27:21.900 --> 00:27:24.220
had high hopes for our 20th anniversary, but then the

542
00:27:24.269 --> 00:27:28.509
pandemic hit. So we had to put a big pin

543
00:27:28.569 --> 00:27:31.170
in that, which is a huge bummer. So I'm kind

544
00:27:31.190 --> 00:27:32.930
of looking forward to next year for that. But I've

545
00:27:32.950 --> 00:27:35.849
been around for, like I said, 12 years. Next year

546
00:27:35.869 --> 00:27:38.789
will be lucky number 13. And I got involved just

547
00:27:38.829 --> 00:27:42.859
doing headstone workshops. And then I segued over into doing tours.

548
00:27:42.910 --> 00:27:47.480
And then I got on the board and, you So

549
00:27:47.539 --> 00:27:49.339
I do all of that. I do all the communication.

550
00:27:49.380 --> 00:27:51.789
I do all the sort of press release stuff. I

551
00:27:51.809 --> 00:27:54.869
do stuff like this. I was on KPTV last week.

552
00:27:55.049 --> 00:27:57.609
So I make sure that we're, you know, getting the

553
00:27:57.650 --> 00:28:01.109
publicity that we need to some extent. We're a pretty small,

554
00:28:01.930 --> 00:28:05.059
rough and tumble group. So we're not a huge organization,

555
00:28:05.079 --> 00:28:08.259
a huge nonprofit, but we do our best. Yeah, we

556
00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:11.140
just try to procure volunteers and stewardship within the cemetery.

557
00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:15.440
What got you interested in volunteering and working with a cemetery?

558
00:28:16.140 --> 00:28:19.059
I always loved cemeteries. It's always been a thing of mine.

559
00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:25.039
I went to Tour of Untimely Departures, which is a annual, semi-annual,

560
00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:30.009
whatever event that the organization had put on. It had

561
00:28:30.069 --> 00:28:33.069
put on years before I joined and I was really

562
00:28:33.109 --> 00:28:34.589
into it. Then I started to go to some of

563
00:28:34.609 --> 00:28:38.430
the regular tours that got really into that. And then

564
00:28:38.470 --> 00:28:40.670
I went to headstone workshops and it just started to evolve.

565
00:28:41.059 --> 00:28:42.460
You know, from there, I was like, I want to

566
00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:44.259
be a part of what this organization is doing. I

567
00:28:44.299 --> 00:28:46.890
really want to create stewardship. I wanted to volunteer. So

568
00:28:47.329 --> 00:28:48.869
it kind of checked a lot of boxes for me.

569
00:28:49.130 --> 00:28:51.930
So I'm really into Portland history. So not just the

570
00:28:51.990 --> 00:28:55.930
history of cemeteries and being a taffophile or whatever. It's

571
00:28:56.069 --> 00:28:59.009
also I'm really into Portland history. And I think the

572
00:28:59.029 --> 00:29:01.410
birth of Portland history can be most things can be

573
00:29:01.490 --> 00:29:02.809
circled back to Lone Bear Cemetery.

574
00:29:03.450 --> 00:29:05.769
That's interesting that you say the birth of it could

575
00:29:05.829 --> 00:29:07.509
be because it's a place of death.

576
00:29:08.329 --> 00:29:08.690
Right.

577
00:29:08.849 --> 00:29:12.039
But it's like. death and birth there's so much nature

578
00:29:12.059 --> 00:29:15.339
in yeah in the cemetery it's like you're walking through

579
00:29:15.380 --> 00:29:18.339
like a nature park it's so beautiful.

580
00:29:17.799 --> 00:29:20.220
Yeah a lot of cemeteries back in the day um

581
00:29:21.339 --> 00:29:25.180
that the architecture i mean that cemetery in particular lone

582
00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:28.140
fir wasn't really architecturally designed maybe let's say in the

583
00:29:28.160 --> 00:29:32.480
way the riverview or other cemeteries like uh greenwood or

584
00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:34.680
any of the magnificent seven over in london there were

585
00:29:35.059 --> 00:29:38.250
architecturally designed to be like parks So they were treated

586
00:29:38.289 --> 00:29:40.400
as such, they were designed as such. loan for a

587
00:29:40.420 --> 00:29:44.200
cemetery it was a little more um i know less

588
00:29:44.220 --> 00:29:48.359
uh intentional than that it was really just a pioneer

589
00:29:48.380 --> 00:29:50.309
cemetery that grew into what what you see it being

590
00:29:50.369 --> 00:29:53.569
today but back in the day uh the intention of

591
00:29:53.609 --> 00:29:55.450
cemeteries were to be or to be treated like parks

592
00:29:55.910 --> 00:29:58.940
so that's why you know the trees and All the

593
00:29:59.539 --> 00:30:04.299
design and stuff. So it is it creates a massive

594
00:30:04.339 --> 00:30:08.869
green space within the city, you know, cemeteries along with parks,

595
00:30:08.910 --> 00:30:11.410
they actually lower the heat.

596
00:30:11.789 --> 00:30:12.309
Oh, yeah.

597
00:30:12.450 --> 00:30:13.170
In urban areas.

598
00:30:13.190 --> 00:30:13.369
Yeah.

599
00:30:13.890 --> 00:30:15.049
Just from all the trees and such.

600
00:30:15.130 --> 00:30:15.269
So.

601
00:30:15.769 --> 00:30:17.769
It's a lot of sense. It's amazing to me that

602
00:30:17.809 --> 00:30:20.309
it started like with there was just like the one

603
00:30:20.410 --> 00:30:21.130
tree there.

604
00:30:22.130 --> 00:30:26.220
Yeah. But it wasn't originally called Lone Fir Cemetery. It

605
00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:28.400
was called Mount Crawford Cemetery. And then prior to that,

606
00:30:28.440 --> 00:30:30.680
it was just the land claim from the Stevens. So,

607
00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:32.759
you know, they came over on the Oregon Trail, got

608
00:30:32.779 --> 00:30:36.160
their land claim. And, you know, it was very traditional

609
00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:40.630
to take the utmost least productive corner of your property

610
00:30:40.710 --> 00:30:45.069
and bury your family there. Fun fact, Emmer, when they

611
00:30:45.089 --> 00:30:48.769
came over, he was the oldest. How do I phrase this?

612
00:30:48.789 --> 00:30:53.529
The oldest, the earliest born person. He was born in 1777, 76,

613
00:30:53.529 --> 00:30:57.390
something like that. He didn't last very long in town.

614
00:30:57.509 --> 00:30:59.869
After they came over, he passed away. He was older

615
00:31:00.150 --> 00:31:02.190
and they buried him there. There's some dispute even whether

616
00:31:02.230 --> 00:31:04.880
that's even the Stevens Land Claim Act or not, because

617
00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:07.619
the lines were so fuzzy. They parceled out the land

618
00:31:07.660 --> 00:31:10.160
and did all that. You were supposed to do it on,

619
00:31:10.220 --> 00:31:13.009
I want to say on August. low tide and he

620
00:31:13.029 --> 00:31:16.069
did it in high tide. So it expanded the Stevens

621
00:31:16.369 --> 00:31:21.799
land claim. So there's probably only amongst nerds a dispute

622
00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:24.480
on whether Emmer was actually even buried on the Stevens

623
00:31:24.519 --> 00:31:25.859
property or not. Oh, wow.

624
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:28.900
That is so interesting. I had no idea.

625
00:31:28.920 --> 00:31:31.299
I mean, no one's like, you know, going to do

626
00:31:31.319 --> 00:31:33.619
anything about it, but it's like just on the precipice

627
00:31:33.660 --> 00:31:36.160
of being another land claim act. And so that block

628
00:31:36.309 --> 00:31:38.470
one over there where that road is, that's really the

629
00:31:39.750 --> 00:31:40.849
original part of the cemetery.

630
00:31:40.910 --> 00:31:41.170
So yeah.

631
00:31:41.619 --> 00:31:45.529
Because that's the original entrance to the cemetery is that side.

632
00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:48.789
It wasn't 26. It was that corner. Yeah, it's pretty

633
00:31:48.849 --> 00:31:50.849
fun to hang out in cemeteries. Like I said, if

634
00:31:50.890 --> 00:31:53.089
you were to look up old pictures, here's a really

635
00:31:53.130 --> 00:31:56.250
old picture online of Riverview from, I want to say,

636
00:31:56.289 --> 00:32:00.019
like the late 1800s, early 1900s of a family picnicking there.

637
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:03.359
So the properties were designed for it. So it's nice

638
00:32:03.400 --> 00:32:06.000
to see people. admiring and appreciating the nature of the

639
00:32:06.019 --> 00:32:07.279
space it's what we want.

640
00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:09.480
Yeah like it doesn't always have to be a creepy

641
00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:12.660
thing like oh we're going to the cemetery we're gonna

642
00:32:12.740 --> 00:32:15.759
do a seance not at all it's beautiful i mean

643
00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:18.890
people have different perspectives uh and takes on cemeteries but

644
00:32:19.390 --> 00:32:21.170
certainly it can be tranquil it can be nice it

645
00:32:21.210 --> 00:32:23.910
can be beautiful it can be there's a rose garden

646
00:32:23.950 --> 00:32:25.930
alone for a cemetery there's all kinds of trees um

647
00:32:26.970 --> 00:32:29.109
the the bird alliance.

648
00:32:28.650 --> 00:32:30.150
Of organ i have to remember to get the name

649
00:32:30.170 --> 00:32:32.480
right because they're no longer the audubon society do their

650
00:32:32.500 --> 00:32:35.619
annual bird count at Lone Fur because there's so many

651
00:32:35.980 --> 00:32:39.079
different birds that migrate and hang out.

652
00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:40.019
Oh, wow.

653
00:32:40.220 --> 00:32:42.240
Yeah. At any given point, you can see all different

654
00:32:42.259 --> 00:32:42.839
kinds of birds in there.

655
00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:45.400
I wanted to ask about the tours, what kind of

656
00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:48.049
tours you guys do. And I saw that you might

657
00:32:48.089 --> 00:32:49.569
be sold out of the.

658
00:32:49.589 --> 00:32:51.589
We are sold out. Oh my gosh.

659
00:32:51.609 --> 00:32:53.630
But we still want to talk about them so that

660
00:32:53.670 --> 00:32:55.789
people maybe next year can get a jump on getting

661
00:32:55.829 --> 00:32:56.390
their tickets.

662
00:32:56.849 --> 00:32:59.049
Yeah. Or just come out to our regular tours. So

663
00:33:00.150 --> 00:33:02.609
We do, I'll just kind of dial it back. So

664
00:33:02.710 --> 00:33:06.369
we do monthly tours. So every first Saturday, we do

665
00:33:06.430 --> 00:33:09.319
a tour called Stories in Stone. And the intention of

666
00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:11.980
that tour is to really not have it be so

667
00:33:12.019 --> 00:33:15.880
much historical or chronological of the goings-ons of Lone Fir.

668
00:33:16.500 --> 00:33:20.299
It's really the unique space that Lone Fir is. Some

669
00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:22.980
of the artistic headstones, some of the meanings of some

670
00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:25.220
of the headstones and the different art and the different

671
00:33:25.380 --> 00:33:28.369
representation and women of the world are hey, this headstone

672
00:33:28.390 --> 00:33:30.950
means this. This is some Victorian art. So we talk

673
00:33:30.990 --> 00:33:33.650
a little bit about that to capture just sort of

674
00:33:33.890 --> 00:33:35.839
what would be kind of like the rest of the cemetery,

675
00:33:36.059 --> 00:33:38.640
for lack of a better phrase. And then the second

676
00:33:38.700 --> 00:33:43.119
Saturday is our historical tour. And so we really want

677
00:33:43.140 --> 00:33:45.220
to educate people. It's part of our tenet as a

678
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:48.650
nonprofit within our mission is to educate people because I

679
00:33:48.670 --> 00:33:51.670
really feel like if more people are educated, they'll have

680
00:33:51.710 --> 00:33:54.089
a kinship and a stewardship to the property. And they're

681
00:33:54.190 --> 00:33:57.059
not only less likely to vandalize it, I feel like

682
00:33:57.099 --> 00:34:01.220
a lot of vandalism is unintentional. Like people hang out there,

683
00:34:01.299 --> 00:34:03.000
they want to party. I don't know what they want

684
00:34:03.039 --> 00:34:05.440
to do. And they accidentally knock things over or they

685
00:34:05.460 --> 00:34:08.340
bring their dog into the cemetery or whatever. And, and

686
00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:10.159
then so on and so forth. But I think you're

687
00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:13.280
more likely to covet it, the space and create stewardship.

688
00:34:13.340 --> 00:34:16.769
If you're pretty invested in either cleaning it or maintaining it, or,

689
00:34:16.780 --> 00:34:19.349
you know, the history of it. So we do that.

690
00:34:20.210 --> 00:34:22.949
The third Saturday is April through September.

691
00:34:22.989 --> 00:34:23.309
We do.

692
00:34:24.050 --> 00:34:27.010
Headstone workshops where we teach folks how to clean the headstones,

693
00:34:27.070 --> 00:34:29.730
get some help, volunteer help to go out through the

694
00:34:29.750 --> 00:34:32.769
cemetery and clean some up. And then the fourth Saturday

695
00:34:32.789 --> 00:34:36.170
and the tours are all year long is our women's tour.

696
00:34:36.309 --> 00:34:39.429
So we just talk and highlight the prominent women that

697
00:34:39.449 --> 00:34:43.050
are buried throughout Lone Fork Cemetery. And then every October

698
00:34:43.139 --> 00:34:46.539
we try to do something interesting or fun. So in

699
00:34:46.579 --> 00:34:49.219
years past, we did a tour and we still do

700
00:34:49.260 --> 00:34:52.400
a tour called Tour of Untimely Departures. It's a lot

701
00:34:52.420 --> 00:34:54.380
of work. It's a lot of investment. If we decided

702
00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:57.460
we're going to do that tour, we decided like January

703
00:34:57.480 --> 00:34:59.949
and February pretty early in the year because it takes

704
00:35:00.010 --> 00:35:01.909
so many volunteers. It takes so much of what we

705
00:35:01.929 --> 00:35:04.349
do to put that on. We have 1,200 people that

706
00:35:04.389 --> 00:35:08.190
walk through the cemetery between five and four hours. Tours

707
00:35:08.230 --> 00:35:11.449
leave every eight minutes. And it's just a lot. It's

708
00:35:11.489 --> 00:35:14.369
a lot of coordination. It's a lot of event management.

709
00:35:15.179 --> 00:35:17.699
Things that are in and outside of our wheelhouse, right?

710
00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:21.260
We're a nonprofit wanting to do modest tours, educate people,

711
00:35:21.340 --> 00:35:23.500
and all of a sudden we've got this really large,

712
00:35:24.179 --> 00:35:27.389
massive event. That's just a lot of work. So we

713
00:35:27.429 --> 00:35:30.329
don't do it every year because of that. So it

714
00:35:30.530 --> 00:35:32.269
doesn't allow us to focus on other things. Like if

715
00:35:32.309 --> 00:35:35.130
we had done tour of untimely departures this year, we

716
00:35:35.170 --> 00:35:36.829
may not have introduced the women's tour, which is a

717
00:35:36.849 --> 00:35:39.329
newer tour this year, or the journal club, which is

718
00:35:39.389 --> 00:35:42.110
on Sundays by a volunteer. We just don't have time

719
00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:45.639
to ingratiate other things. Yeah. So anyways. But then we

720
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:47.340
try to go, well, a couple of years, this is

721
00:35:47.460 --> 00:35:50.860
the third time we've done Tombstone Twilight. We thought, well,

722
00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:54.750
let's do something a little less. Still something cool, but

723
00:35:54.789 --> 00:35:58.710
a little more dialed down, volunteer-wise, dialed down. We're not

724
00:35:59.010 --> 00:36:01.190
getting tense and blocking out the street, doing it at night.

725
00:36:01.210 --> 00:36:05.349
Do it right at twilight. We'll do it right at dusk.

726
00:36:05.849 --> 00:36:07.570
Because it's a pretty cool vibe. If you go into

727
00:36:07.590 --> 00:36:11.920
the cemetery now, about 5.30, 6, right around now, it's

728
00:36:11.940 --> 00:36:13.820
a little darker in the cemetery than it is everywhere

729
00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:14.679
else just because of the trees.

730
00:36:14.699 --> 00:36:14.780
Yeah.

731
00:36:15.460 --> 00:36:17.820
And it really is a cool, really neat vibe. So

732
00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:20.579
we're like, let's do something then. Less permitting because it's

733
00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:22.159
not at night, whatever. We're not going to close down

734
00:36:22.179 --> 00:36:25.539
the cemetery. Let's do it. And the couple of times

735
00:36:25.579 --> 00:36:27.699
we did it was really successful. People were really into it.

736
00:36:28.360 --> 00:36:30.690
So then this year, since last year was pretty successful

737
00:36:30.730 --> 00:36:32.929
with tour of untimely departures, we're like, okay, we're not

738
00:36:32.949 --> 00:36:35.090
going to do for acronym forest. We're not going to

739
00:36:35.110 --> 00:36:37.789
do TUD this year. Let's do this. But the biggest

740
00:36:37.809 --> 00:36:39.769
complaint that we get isn't just that we don't do

741
00:36:39.809 --> 00:36:42.090
TUD every year. It's that how come you don't offer

742
00:36:42.110 --> 00:36:44.250
it more than one night for all the reasons I mentioned, right?

743
00:36:44.630 --> 00:36:47.429
So I thought, well, let's do this tour, but let's

744
00:36:47.449 --> 00:36:49.420
do it every Saturday in the month of October. So

745
00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:52.500
this year is the first time that we've done it

746
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:53.579
more than one night.

747
00:36:54.139 --> 00:36:54.369
Oh, wow.

748
00:36:54.559 --> 00:36:55.679
So that's very new.

749
00:36:55.840 --> 00:36:58.550
So every other time we've done it, it's always been

750
00:36:58.590 --> 00:37:02.329
like the Saturday before Halloween. We did four or five tours, 25,

751
00:37:02.329 --> 00:37:06.150
30 people each tour, and we called it good. But

752
00:37:06.190 --> 00:37:08.369
I thought, well, if we're going to We're going to

753
00:37:08.389 --> 00:37:10.849
switch it up and disappoint people. Let's at least try

754
00:37:10.929 --> 00:37:13.929
to lean into the biggest request that we get besides

755
00:37:14.230 --> 00:37:17.289
the tour itself is to do it more than once,

756
00:37:17.550 --> 00:37:18.389
which is the goal.

757
00:37:18.570 --> 00:37:22.150
Well, I'm so jealous of everyone who got tickets because

758
00:37:22.250 --> 00:37:22.889
I did not.

759
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:30.219
Yeah, it's pretty cool. So instead of each stop, the actors,

760
00:37:30.300 --> 00:37:34.300
there's no actors portraying anything. It's really the tour guide.

761
00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:36.280
The way we're seeing is the tour guide is like

762
00:37:36.340 --> 00:37:39.989
the ghost. And they're dressed up. So instead of having

763
00:37:39.989 --> 00:37:42.420
10 volunteers just right there on each stop, we just

764
00:37:42.460 --> 00:37:44.920
have the one tour guide. So we've already reduced our

765
00:37:44.940 --> 00:37:48.900
headcount of volunteers. It doesn't make it less fun. It's

766
00:37:49.099 --> 00:37:51.610
probably a little less impactful than Tud, and it's not

767
00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:54.369
at night. It's still cool, though. We're still excited. If

768
00:37:54.510 --> 00:37:57.090
anyone did any of the tours on timely departures the

769
00:37:57.130 --> 00:37:59.510
last couple of years, we didn't repeat any of the stops.

770
00:37:59.690 --> 00:38:01.739
So If you feel like, oh, I went last year.

771
00:38:01.760 --> 00:38:03.280
I got a ticket. Is it going to be the

772
00:38:03.320 --> 00:38:06.250
same thing? It's not. We try really hard not to

773
00:38:06.309 --> 00:38:09.530
recycle that often so that you feel like you're getting

774
00:38:09.570 --> 00:38:10.610
something new or different.

775
00:38:10.630 --> 00:38:11.250
That's awesome. Yeah.

776
00:38:11.630 --> 00:38:13.230
But hey, you know, like what I was getting at

777
00:38:13.250 --> 00:38:16.699
too is we were doing it every Saturday, but we

778
00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:19.300
still have our historical tours and our women's tour and

779
00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:21.760
all that stuff in October and November. So if folks

780
00:38:21.780 --> 00:38:24.360
want to come out, November has a really high turnout

781
00:38:24.380 --> 00:38:27.480
with tours. It's not quite, quite cold. It's really beautiful

782
00:38:27.500 --> 00:38:30.409
in the cemetery with fall and the trees and leaves

783
00:38:30.469 --> 00:38:32.909
and stuff. So I encourage people to give that a shot.

784
00:38:33.010 --> 00:38:36.369
I know it's not as cool, but it is still

785
00:38:36.429 --> 00:38:39.539
pretty cool. It's still pretty fun. So before it gets

786
00:38:39.579 --> 00:38:42.019
to be super wet and dark and cold and rainy,

787
00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:44.960
it's a really good time to come out. And all

788
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:48.940
the funds that go through for tours and events like

789
00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:52.059
that all go back to us as a nonprofit. So

790
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:54.440
in so many ways, you're supporting us in our ability

791
00:38:54.460 --> 00:38:57.800
to keep the lights on, so to speak. So tours,

792
00:38:58.579 --> 00:39:02.099
supplies or our website domain you know to pay for

793
00:39:02.139 --> 00:39:04.159
our insurance in order to be a non-profit all the

794
00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:05.619
things that you know.

795
00:39:06.940 --> 00:39:09.460
Do you guys do any of like the fixing up

796
00:39:09.579 --> 00:39:12.340
of the monuments or anything like that or would that

797
00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:14.780
be a separate yeah it really.

798
00:39:14.599 --> 00:39:17.440
Just depends so sometimes we're involved um it isn't our

799
00:39:17.539 --> 00:39:20.039
property it's metros so i was just out there on

800
00:39:20.099 --> 00:39:23.300
friday and i saw a few hudson's that have been

801
00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:26.250
knocked over and i will immediately send pictures over to

802
00:39:26.690 --> 00:39:29.469
um one of the main folks the sort of the

803
00:39:29.510 --> 00:39:31.469
head of the park rangers his name is monty woods

804
00:39:32.070 --> 00:39:35.489
really great guy really into what we do very supportive

805
00:39:35.510 --> 00:39:38.349
of the organization so i'm always really trying to send

806
00:39:38.389 --> 00:39:40.389
off information to him pretty quickly and they'll get people

807
00:39:40.429 --> 00:39:43.699
to come out it depends it's their it's their property

808
00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:47.139
we're just sort of like in their sandbox but if

809
00:39:47.159 --> 00:39:52.079
there's opportunities to um support and help replace headstones or

810
00:39:52.139 --> 00:39:55.440
put in headstones. So Hattie Redmond's an example where she

811
00:39:55.460 --> 00:39:57.820
did not have a headstone. We paid for it. We

812
00:39:57.860 --> 00:40:01.110
put it in. We partner with an elementary school, I

813
00:40:01.130 --> 00:40:03.590
want to say almost 10 years ago, and they helped

814
00:40:03.650 --> 00:40:05.650
raise money for Gus Waterford, which is one of the

815
00:40:05.690 --> 00:40:09.750
first African-American firefighters in Portland. They came up with a

816
00:40:09.750 --> 00:40:11.880
certain amount of money. We kicked in the rest. He

817
00:40:11.889 --> 00:40:15.699
has headstone now. So Asa Lovejoy, all the outlining in

818
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:20.210
black that you see, we've helped restore and put that back. So, yeah,

819
00:40:21.190 --> 00:40:22.969
we try to do our very best to help support

820
00:40:23.010 --> 00:40:25.199
and restore when and where we can.

821
00:40:26.719 --> 00:40:31.159
Do you know anything about the Bottler brothers, Maz and Young?

822
00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:34.340
Yeah, the Bottler. We've done a few, like, fundraisers for that.

823
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:36.840
The problem is, is the Bottler, and it is what

824
00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:39.219
it is. I wouldn't say it's a problem. It's that

825
00:40:39.739 --> 00:40:42.079
the family lineage is still in Portland.

826
00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:42.449
Oh.

827
00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:45.389
It's really theirs, right? We can't just go in and

828
00:40:45.710 --> 00:40:48.369
be like, we're going to redo it and restore it.

829
00:40:48.920 --> 00:40:51.469
really them that can do it. So their family line

830
00:40:51.530 --> 00:40:53.329
is still alive and well in Portland.

831
00:40:53.489 --> 00:40:54.150
Oh, wow.

832
00:40:54.449 --> 00:40:56.230
And so we did invite them out to a few

833
00:40:56.409 --> 00:40:58.949
of our events and such, but we can't just go

834
00:40:59.070 --> 00:41:03.909
in and make changes. The cemetery is on the historical registry.

835
00:41:04.369 --> 00:41:06.570
There's just red tape and due diligence. We can't just

836
00:41:06.610 --> 00:41:08.130
go in and be like, we're going to improve this.

837
00:41:08.829 --> 00:41:11.679
That makes a lot of sense. Yeah. So, yeah.

838
00:41:11.719 --> 00:41:14.260
So that's kind of the deal with that is we

839
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:17.389
have to be, it's, you know, it's their It's their headstone.

840
00:41:17.429 --> 00:41:20.719
It's their property. So same for me, like, personally, like,

841
00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:24.679
the bottler... The bottler crypt is something that is really,

842
00:41:25.400 --> 00:41:27.500
you know, really cool, and I would hate to have

843
00:41:27.519 --> 00:41:30.539
it continue to degrade. It's one of the main anchors

844
00:41:30.619 --> 00:41:32.889
in the cemetery, but for me, like, the crown jewel,

845
00:41:32.909 --> 00:41:34.449
so to speak, is the Moklai Moslem.

846
00:41:34.469 --> 00:41:35.469
Yeah, that is gorgeous.

847
00:41:35.610 --> 00:41:38.230
And so it's just at the point where it's just

848
00:41:38.250 --> 00:41:41.230
the A and the C on the name now. Yeah.

849
00:41:41.389 --> 00:41:45.829
And so to me... Like that's the bigger concern is

850
00:41:45.989 --> 00:41:47.159
that mausoleum right there.

851
00:41:47.619 --> 00:41:50.260
Is there any plans to get that fixed up?

852
00:41:50.579 --> 00:41:54.820
No. The family still is alive and well in Portland.

853
00:41:55.179 --> 00:41:56.059
They became the curse.

854
00:41:56.639 --> 00:41:57.260
Oh, okay.

855
00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:00.449
So I think the most recent burial was probably about

856
00:42:00.449 --> 00:42:02.489
10 years ago inside of there. Believe it or not,

857
00:42:02.550 --> 00:42:05.429
there's still some empty spots. It's really up to them.

858
00:42:05.849 --> 00:42:09.030
So I don't know why or what. I don't know

859
00:42:09.050 --> 00:42:11.300
if they see the value and it would be millions

860
00:42:11.320 --> 00:42:14.380
of dollars to get it fixed and restored. Um, so

861
00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:16.719
that's a bigger thing, right? Where we try and, oh,

862
00:42:16.739 --> 00:42:18.960
like let's help raise a couple thousand dollars to put

863
00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:21.000
in a headstone. Like that's kind of where we're at

864
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:23.340
and what we try to do. We try to be

865
00:42:23.360 --> 00:42:25.480
a little more low key and grassroots that would have

866
00:42:25.500 --> 00:42:28.630
to be really big grant writing. And, and maybe that's

867
00:42:28.650 --> 00:42:30.170
something of the loan for a foundation, which is a

868
00:42:30.210 --> 00:42:32.650
separate foundation. They're also a nonprofit and they're sort of

869
00:42:32.690 --> 00:42:34.429
an outshoot of friends of loan for some of the

870
00:42:34.449 --> 00:42:37.309
original folks from friends of loan for started the loan

871
00:42:37.329 --> 00:42:40.530
for a foundation, but their big sort of task at

872
00:42:40.570 --> 00:42:42.579
hand and their focus has been block 14.

873
00:42:42.579 --> 00:42:46.599
Yes, that is a huge project that I was definitely

874
00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:50.550
heading towards asking you about. Do you know anything about

875
00:42:50.610 --> 00:42:51.929
the timeline of that?

876
00:42:52.750 --> 00:42:55.070
It's hard to say because it's really, again, it's Metro's

877
00:42:55.110 --> 00:42:57.849
property and they did get a bond. So there's funding

878
00:42:57.909 --> 00:43:00.630
for it. So there was a bond that got, you know,

879
00:43:00.690 --> 00:43:03.250
earmarked for that space. And I know Lone Fork Foundation

880
00:43:03.289 --> 00:43:05.369
has raised a lot of money for it. And they've

881
00:43:05.409 --> 00:43:08.090
partnered with all the appropriate folks for the space and

882
00:43:08.110 --> 00:43:12.030
the design. I've seen the design evolve. so many times

883
00:43:12.090 --> 00:43:15.269
in the 10 plus years i've been involved in in

884
00:43:15.309 --> 00:43:18.730
loan for and it's it's just cost and different measures

885
00:43:18.750 --> 00:43:20.570
and you know oh we want a water feature but

886
00:43:20.590 --> 00:43:22.590
you can't really have a water feature because someone will

887
00:43:22.630 --> 00:43:25.860
probably mess with it or do whatever and or who's

888
00:43:25.880 --> 00:43:27.760
going to maintain that it's all about you know in

889
00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:31.659
perpetuity like let's look at this in 10 years from

890
00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:33.760
now right yeah and how will it look and who's

891
00:43:33.780 --> 00:43:36.639
going to maintain it right will it be dilapidated you

892
00:43:36.679 --> 00:43:38.599
know so i think they've had to reframe how it's

893
00:43:38.619 --> 00:43:39.820
going to look and how it's going to be so

894
00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:43.199
that it's a a cool space. It was also going

895
00:43:43.219 --> 00:43:45.440
to be more of a shared space for Hawthorne's patients,

896
00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:48.400
but that's been more dialed back because there is more

897
00:43:48.519 --> 00:43:49.980
of an emphasis on the Chinese that.

898
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:50.340
Are over there.

899
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:52.820
Yeah. Which is definitely understandable.

900
00:43:52.929 --> 00:43:55.349
Totally. Yeah. And so they've really wanted to make sure

901
00:43:55.369 --> 00:43:57.590
that they have it all. There'll be mention of it,

902
00:43:57.829 --> 00:44:00.909
of Hawthorne's patients, but I think the focus of the space,

903
00:44:01.550 --> 00:44:03.769
rightfully so, is going to be for Block 14, it's

904
00:44:03.789 --> 00:44:06.769
going to be the Chinese immigrants and folks that were

905
00:44:06.849 --> 00:44:10.559
interred there. So that, I mean... As far as I

906
00:44:10.599 --> 00:44:13.019
can tell, I haven't seen, you know, we were kind

907
00:44:13.059 --> 00:44:16.860
of in the sidelines rooting for it. Definitely the loan

908
00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:19.780
for a foundation, sort of the main focal group that's

909
00:44:19.820 --> 00:44:22.159
really kind of driven it through to the end. I

910
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:24.070
want to say maybe next year. I mean, I know

911
00:44:24.090 --> 00:44:26.110
they've had a lot of, for lack of a better phrase,

912
00:44:26.130 --> 00:44:29.349
they've had a lot of like, like, you know, community,

913
00:44:29.449 --> 00:44:31.030
like you can speak up, you know, and say, Hey,

914
00:44:31.050 --> 00:44:33.170
what do you think of this design? Or, you know,

915
00:44:33.630 --> 00:44:37.920
like town hall type stuff for the community. And so, yeah,

916
00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:39.719
they wanted the public to be involved in what they

917
00:44:39.739 --> 00:44:41.510
thought it should look like. And so there's been many

918
00:44:41.530 --> 00:44:43.590
of that in the last year. So I don't know

919
00:44:43.630 --> 00:44:45.389
where we are in the stage of it, but I

920
00:44:45.429 --> 00:44:48.929
definitely know the money's been earmarked and we're at the

921
00:44:48.949 --> 00:44:49.849
finishing line for sure.

922
00:44:50.369 --> 00:44:54.340
That's awesome. I can't wait for that to start. And

923
00:44:54.360 --> 00:44:56.219
then I don't know how long it would take them

924
00:44:56.280 --> 00:44:58.880
to build it, but it just seems like such a nice,

925
00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:04.239
peaceful sanctuary spot to go. Yeah. So we did do

926
00:45:04.300 --> 00:45:08.000
an episode on... and I just researched stuff, you know,

927
00:45:08.119 --> 00:45:11.219
from the internet. So I did read that there was

928
00:45:11.260 --> 00:45:16.199
a little girl's angel statue, uh, Ada, and it was

929
00:45:16.300 --> 00:45:18.780
stolen and it said it had been replaced. But then

930
00:45:18.820 --> 00:45:22.230
when I went to go find it, it's gone. Yeah.

931
00:45:22.269 --> 00:45:26.170
She's been stolen again. I'm not sure the draw to

932
00:45:26.210 --> 00:45:28.909
her as to why she's stolen so often. I want

933
00:45:28.929 --> 00:45:31.420
to say maybe three or four years ago, she was, um,

934
00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:33.960
Someone knocked her down. I mean, she's only like five

935
00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:36.809
or six years old. I don't understand. Like, and I

936
00:45:36.849 --> 00:45:38.829
remember picking, I found her on the ground when I

937
00:45:38.849 --> 00:45:40.429
was at Lone Fir because I spent a lot of

938
00:45:40.449 --> 00:45:42.809
time there. No surprise. And I found her on the

939
00:45:42.829 --> 00:45:46.670
ground and she's an extremely heavy little girl, the statue

940
00:45:46.789 --> 00:45:50.409
or the headstone. They put her back and then she's

941
00:45:50.429 --> 00:45:52.780
stolen again. I don't know if we have her back

942
00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:53.280
or not.

943
00:45:53.400 --> 00:45:55.119
Oh, that is just so sad.

944
00:45:55.139 --> 00:45:58.760
But she's been stolen like three or four times. I don't.

945
00:45:59.059 --> 00:46:01.780
I'm not really. Yeah, again, it's it's really sad. She's

946
00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:03.440
a little girl. It's like, leave her alone.

947
00:46:03.460 --> 00:46:05.559
Yeah, I know. I went and I spent some time

948
00:46:05.579 --> 00:46:08.889
after because I did do the headstone cleaning. And so

949
00:46:08.969 --> 00:46:10.809
I went and wandered around and looked at all the

950
00:46:10.849 --> 00:46:13.469
headstones we'd talked about. So I spent a lot of

951
00:46:13.550 --> 00:46:15.949
time with her because I just felt so bad that

952
00:46:16.010 --> 00:46:18.590
she doesn't have her little angel statue. I don't know

953
00:46:18.610 --> 00:46:20.849
why I felt really drawn to her, too, but maybe

954
00:46:20.889 --> 00:46:22.309
that's what other people are feeling.

955
00:46:22.329 --> 00:46:24.909
Well, they just want really cool garden art. You know,

956
00:46:24.929 --> 00:46:27.650
I can go in a whole like speech about vandalism

957
00:46:27.690 --> 00:46:29.630
and why people do that. And I don't know, it's,

958
00:46:30.190 --> 00:46:33.010
we saw an uptick of it, um, during, um, COVID

959
00:46:33.159 --> 00:46:35.079
actually during the pandemic, we saw an uptick of it

960
00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:38.980
that just lent us to think that we're, our presence

961
00:46:39.039 --> 00:46:41.960
does detour it. We don't like to think that highly

962
00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:45.050
of ourselves, but at the time, you know, um, that

963
00:46:45.070 --> 00:46:47.050
was sort of the birth of Friends of Longford to

964
00:46:47.090 --> 00:46:50.289
begin with is to create stewardship and to minimize vandalism

965
00:46:50.309 --> 00:46:51.980
and to clean up the cemetery and all that. And,

966
00:46:52.539 --> 00:46:54.599
I think if people feel there's a presence there that

967
00:46:54.639 --> 00:46:57.159
they're less likely to do it. But during the pandemic, obviously,

968
00:46:57.199 --> 00:47:00.659
we were all in lockdown and we weren't as out

969
00:47:00.699 --> 00:47:02.940
there as much. And so we just started to really

970
00:47:02.980 --> 00:47:05.389
see vandalism kick up. And it was happening all throughout

971
00:47:05.409 --> 00:47:07.590
the city. So it wasn't exclusive to Lone Fur, but

972
00:47:07.849 --> 00:47:10.590
it's very upsetting. It is. The soldier on the soldier's

973
00:47:10.650 --> 00:47:13.769
monument is pretty much destroyed. So that guy's not going

974
00:47:13.809 --> 00:47:15.469
back up. And that was one of the first things

975
00:47:15.510 --> 00:47:19.730
that Lone Fur did was restore the soldier he'd been

976
00:47:19.750 --> 00:47:23.159
knocked down before. Re-bronze him, put him back up. It

977
00:47:23.260 --> 00:47:24.800
was one of the first things that the Friends of

978
00:47:24.820 --> 00:47:28.219
Longford Cemetery did. In fact, if you go back and

979
00:47:28.260 --> 00:47:30.940
you look, there's a movie, not a good one, by

980
00:47:30.980 --> 00:47:34.179
the way, but I highly recommend watching the first 10

981
00:47:34.179 --> 00:47:35.800
minutes of it and then do what you want after

982
00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:38.119
that to start it off. But it's a movie called

983
00:47:38.139 --> 00:47:41.690
Body of Evidence, which is a Madonna movie. Oh. And

984
00:47:41.710 --> 00:47:42.969
it's filmed in Portland.

985
00:47:43.030 --> 00:47:44.849
I feel like I've seen this movie.

986
00:47:44.989 --> 00:47:47.130
It's totally not good, but you probably maybe at the

987
00:47:47.170 --> 00:47:48.849
time wasn't looking at it with the lens you're going

988
00:47:48.869 --> 00:47:50.699
to look at it now. So go back. think it's

989
00:47:50.860 --> 00:47:54.110
free you can watch it on any streaming right or

990
00:47:54.150 --> 00:47:58.090
maybe even find it on youtube or something but she

991
00:47:58.329 --> 00:48:01.110
you know is a woman scorned i don't actually remember

992
00:48:01.150 --> 00:48:03.110
the story but she lives in piddock mansion by the

993
00:48:03.130 --> 00:48:05.110
way oh it's kind of funny the house is piddock

994
00:48:05.130 --> 00:48:07.949
mansion then something about her husband dies oh she kills

995
00:48:08.010 --> 00:48:09.190
him i don't know if that's the premise of the

996
00:48:09.230 --> 00:48:11.909
story or whatever but um he's buried at lone fir

997
00:48:13.110 --> 00:48:16.179
so lone fir cemetery But if in the background of

998
00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:18.739
the movie, this is how nerded out we is. No

999
00:48:18.900 --> 00:48:21.059
one where people get, you can see the soldier's monument

1000
00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:23.719
without the soldier because the movie came out before friends

1001
00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:24.480
of loan for cemetery.

1002
00:48:24.980 --> 00:48:25.989
Oh, wow.

1003
00:48:26.010 --> 00:48:27.769
You know what I mean? And so you can still

1004
00:48:27.809 --> 00:48:32.230
see some of the glass in the mausoleum. It used

1005
00:48:32.250 --> 00:48:34.909
to be. So there's that entrance point at the McClay

1006
00:48:34.929 --> 00:48:37.449
mausoleum where there's the gate on that gate. It says

1007
00:48:37.510 --> 00:48:40.349
Kerr because they became the curse. But if you were

1008
00:48:40.369 --> 00:48:43.380
to walk all the way around before that, that fence

1009
00:48:43.389 --> 00:48:46.059
got put up. You walk all the way around and

1010
00:48:46.099 --> 00:48:48.960
there's a door behind there and it leads upstairs into, um,

1011
00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:50.179
a chapel in the mausoleum.

1012
00:48:50.500 --> 00:48:52.579
Oh, oh, that's so cool.

1013
00:48:52.699 --> 00:48:54.340
Which is no longer open to the public.

1014
00:48:54.400 --> 00:48:56.679
Yeah. I can see why it's pretty, uh, yeah, it

1015
00:48:56.719 --> 00:48:58.820
looks like it's falling apart a little bit.

1016
00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:01.239
Well, but anyways, if you want to see a good

1017
00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:04.440
solid 10 minutes of nineties loan for a cemetery, go

1018
00:49:04.460 --> 00:49:04.820
check it out.

1019
00:49:04.940 --> 00:49:06.880
That is so cool. I definitely will have to look

1020
00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:07.519
at that.

1021
00:49:09.079 --> 00:49:11.679
Uh, a friend of mine, Tara did a movie there. She, um,

1022
00:49:11.679 --> 00:49:14.070
It was called My Summer's a Goth. She did a

1023
00:49:14.070 --> 00:49:16.900
movie there and filmed lots of it there. I think

1024
00:49:16.900 --> 00:49:20.440
Grimm's couple episodes were filmed at Lone First. Cemetery.

1025
00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:23.280
That makes sense. Yeah. I did want to ask you

1026
00:49:23.340 --> 00:49:26.269
about the Rose Garden because I didn't know that was

1027
00:49:26.329 --> 00:49:28.730
there until I kind of was walking around looking and

1028
00:49:28.750 --> 00:49:31.210
I was like, oh, there's like a little rose garden here.

1029
00:49:31.349 --> 00:49:38.210
There is. Yeah. It's one of the original pioneer rose gardens.

1030
00:49:38.429 --> 00:49:40.599
So back in the day, roses are not local to

1031
00:49:40.639 --> 00:49:41.820
Portland at all. They're not.

1032
00:49:42.260 --> 00:49:42.469
At all.

1033
00:49:42.489 --> 00:49:43.659
They're not indigenous to Portland.

1034
00:49:43.820 --> 00:49:44.500
You wouldn't know it.

1035
00:49:44.920 --> 00:49:47.639
You wouldn't know it being that it's Rose city. So

1036
00:49:47.659 --> 00:49:51.739
the pioneer ladies were really, really into their roses and

1037
00:49:51.780 --> 00:49:54.500
they would bring them over and they would stick the

1038
00:49:55.000 --> 00:50:00.219
little bits in like the thorns or whatever they would,

1039
00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:02.610
the bulbs, they would stick it in potatoes and soak

1040
00:50:02.619 --> 00:50:05.050
the potatoes to keep them wet and to keep them alive.

1041
00:50:05.670 --> 00:50:07.409
And then when they came over here, they would plant them.

1042
00:50:07.449 --> 00:50:09.949
And there was a certain number like two or three

1043
00:50:10.159 --> 00:50:14.230
original Rose gardens from the, the original pioneer women that

1044
00:50:14.269 --> 00:50:16.409
came over, they're all gone except for the one in

1045
00:50:16.429 --> 00:50:17.170
loan for cemetery.

1046
00:50:17.710 --> 00:50:19.050
Oh, wow. They're all gone.

1047
00:50:19.070 --> 00:50:19.449
Yeah.

1048
00:50:19.829 --> 00:50:21.590
And then anything you hear after that, like the one

1049
00:50:21.630 --> 00:50:26.230
at peninsula park or lads edition or the international test garden,

1050
00:50:26.789 --> 00:50:29.829
those are all old Rose gardens for sure, but not

1051
00:50:29.909 --> 00:50:32.590
the pioneer Rose gardens from back in the day.

1052
00:50:32.829 --> 00:50:33.070
Wow.

1053
00:50:33.150 --> 00:50:34.750
So this is like really special.

1054
00:50:35.110 --> 00:50:37.710
Yeah. It's one of the last ones. It's the last one. Um,

1055
00:50:38.530 --> 00:50:40.510
they all had died off so we do have a

1056
00:50:40.550 --> 00:50:43.130
volunteer and some groups that come out and help maintain

1057
00:50:43.289 --> 00:50:45.650
the rose garden it's really neat it's a really quiet

1058
00:50:45.710 --> 00:50:46.630
cool space yeah.

1059
00:50:46.809 --> 00:50:49.630
It does look really well maintained it is nice over

1060
00:50:49.670 --> 00:50:51.969
there yeah we're excited to have it there's a little

1061
00:50:52.010 --> 00:50:53.309
plaque there you can read a little bit more when

1062
00:50:53.329 --> 00:50:56.449
you walk over to it so i have to know

1063
00:50:57.010 --> 00:51:00.789
what you think of the james and elizabeth stevens headstone

1064
00:51:00.809 --> 00:51:04.030
do you think it's creepy or do you think it's sweet.

1065
00:51:04.710 --> 00:51:06.929
I think it's sweet i don't think it's creepy That's

1066
00:51:06.949 --> 00:51:09.840
what I think, too. I think that it started to,

1067
00:51:10.260 --> 00:51:13.599
you know, the type of material that it is, which

1068
00:51:13.659 --> 00:51:15.719
is like sugar marble. Over time, it starts to look

1069
00:51:15.739 --> 00:51:19.000
more like weepy and the black. And we've cleaned it

1070
00:51:19.019 --> 00:51:23.460
a few times. But that's how they made headstones back then.

1071
00:51:23.639 --> 00:51:27.210
That's how they looked back then. They were modest, sturdy people.

1072
00:51:27.230 --> 00:51:29.550
Yeah. You know what I mean?

1073
00:51:30.610 --> 00:51:33.130
And yeah, no, I don't think it's creepy at all.

1074
00:51:33.170 --> 00:51:35.050
I think what makes it look creepy to people is

1075
00:51:35.090 --> 00:51:36.590
just because It's old.

1076
00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:37.380
Yeah.

1077
00:51:37.480 --> 00:51:39.599
And it takes up one full side, which the image,

1078
00:51:39.639 --> 00:51:42.320
by the way, that's the backside of that stone. Because remember,

1079
00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:44.739
the entrance was the other side to the inscription to

1080
00:51:44.780 --> 00:51:46.219
the front.

1081
00:51:46.239 --> 00:51:48.440
Oh, that is interesting. That kind of does put like

1082
00:51:48.579 --> 00:51:51.199
a different perspective on it a little bit.

1083
00:51:51.469 --> 00:51:55.889
Yeah. And J.B. Stevens would walk every day up what

1084
00:51:56.130 --> 00:51:58.730
was baseline to go visit her because she died before him.

1085
00:51:59.130 --> 00:52:01.969
I know. He wanted to hold her hand again. Yeah.

1086
00:52:02.269 --> 00:52:02.550
Yeah.

1087
00:52:03.260 --> 00:52:09.010
Have you experienced any creepy stuff, like hauntings in the cemetery? No.

1088
00:52:09.309 --> 00:52:12.070
I know some of our volunteers and board members have

1089
00:52:12.269 --> 00:52:15.690
discussed that, but I haven't really too much. I kind

1090
00:52:15.710 --> 00:52:18.400
of have the feeling that when all of us friends

1091
00:52:18.460 --> 00:52:21.719
of Lone Fur volunteers and board members die, we'll probably

1092
00:52:21.760 --> 00:52:23.960
haunt it. And the reason I say that is because

1093
00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:25.000
we spend so much time there.

1094
00:52:25.039 --> 00:52:25.519
Yeah.

1095
00:52:25.699 --> 00:52:25.960
Right?

1096
00:52:26.079 --> 00:52:26.260
So.

1097
00:52:27.019 --> 00:52:29.320
I don't know the connection some folks would have to

1098
00:52:29.340 --> 00:52:31.179
that space. Maybe the Stevens would.

1099
00:52:31.510 --> 00:52:31.699
Right.

1100
00:52:31.889 --> 00:52:32.630
You know what I mean?

1101
00:52:32.650 --> 00:52:32.789
Yeah.

1102
00:52:32.889 --> 00:52:35.829
Because you're more likely to visit your home or haunt your,

1103
00:52:36.510 --> 00:52:40.369
you know, your family. But the cemetery is like, unless

1104
00:52:40.409 --> 00:52:43.690
you're really tied to that space emotionally. I don't know that.

1105
00:52:44.030 --> 00:52:45.409
I don't know. Right. Yeah.

1106
00:52:45.429 --> 00:52:47.659
I'm kind of I'm kind of on that same line

1107
00:52:47.699 --> 00:52:48.679
of thinking, too.

1108
00:52:48.719 --> 00:52:51.599
Yeah. I don't know that cemetery is haunted as people think,

1109
00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:55.360
although the only experience that I've ever had was at Wilhelms.

1110
00:52:56.199 --> 00:52:58.699
And so I was there, and there was a really,

1111
00:52:58.860 --> 00:53:02.280
really cold area. I mean, it's kind of cold there anyways,

1112
00:53:02.360 --> 00:53:05.719
but there's a certain part where I felt, I thought

1113
00:53:05.739 --> 00:53:07.739
I felt a presence there. Oh. But it's one of

1114
00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:09.679
the few times, it's the oldest part of Wilhelm, which

1115
00:53:09.739 --> 00:53:12.059
is if you ever go do a little thing about them,

1116
00:53:12.079 --> 00:53:13.570
you should do a thing about them.

1117
00:53:13.969 --> 00:53:15.230
Is that a cemetery too?

1118
00:53:15.570 --> 00:53:18.889
Oh, it's one of the largest, like, mausoleums in the

1119
00:53:18.929 --> 00:53:22.449
west of the Mississippi. There's like 30,000, 40,000 people interred

1120
00:53:22.489 --> 00:53:24.550
in there. They're not buried at all. They're in the wall.

1121
00:53:25.150 --> 00:53:25.710
Oh, gosh.

1122
00:53:25.730 --> 00:53:25.809
Yeah.

1123
00:53:26.639 --> 00:53:27.460
Where is this at?

1124
00:53:27.780 --> 00:53:29.340
It's on, it's in Selwood.

1125
00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:31.750
Oh my gosh. This is why, okay. This is one

1126
00:53:31.789 --> 00:53:34.710
of the reasons I have a podcast that talks about

1127
00:53:34.989 --> 00:53:37.429
like the Pacific Northwest. Cause I lived here my whole

1128
00:53:37.469 --> 00:53:38.730
life and I don't know anything.

1129
00:53:39.690 --> 00:53:42.449
Yeah. So they do. I've only lived here for, well,

1130
00:53:42.449 --> 00:53:44.409
16 years, but you know more than me.

1131
00:53:45.329 --> 00:53:45.550
Yeah.

1132
00:53:45.909 --> 00:53:48.920
But again, it's the Portland history that I'm related to. So, um,

1133
00:53:49.699 --> 00:53:51.699
I think like, was it Clark Gable's first wife is

1134
00:53:51.739 --> 00:53:55.960
buried there. Um, the Povoy brothers are buried or interred

1135
00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:58.179
there and you might, who's the Povoy brothers, but they

1136
00:53:58.219 --> 00:54:00.760
did all the glass, the Pitt mansion. Anytime you see

1137
00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:02.880
old stained glass, like the old church, I'm not very

1138
00:54:02.900 --> 00:54:06.550
familiar with that venue. Um, there's a few homes within Portland, um,

1139
00:54:06.769 --> 00:54:10.530
all Povoy glass and they were trained and mentored by

1140
00:54:10.610 --> 00:54:13.570
Tiffany glass. So it's got that vibe to it. Polson

1141
00:54:13.769 --> 00:54:17.090
and Inman. So the Inman Polson, um, working, they did

1142
00:54:17.110 --> 00:54:20.130
the Inman Polson lumber. That big blue house over on

1143
00:54:20.369 --> 00:54:21.610
just by Ross Island Bridge?

1144
00:54:21.630 --> 00:54:21.949
Mm-hmm.

1145
00:54:22.170 --> 00:54:25.050
Yep. That's Johan Poulsen's house. And so him and Inman,

1146
00:54:26.030 --> 00:54:29.639
Robert Inman, had a lumber yard. And they were supplying

1147
00:54:29.679 --> 00:54:32.000
lumber to the city, but they both had twin houses.

1148
00:54:32.019 --> 00:54:33.619
So you can now Google the Inman house that's been

1149
00:54:33.639 --> 00:54:36.000
torn down. But there's the Poulsen house. Then they're both

1150
00:54:36.019 --> 00:54:39.119
in toward there, too. So just saying. Wow. There's a

1151
00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:40.179
lot of history there. Oh, yeah.

1152
00:54:40.219 --> 00:54:42.079
That's definitely going to be something I'm going to be

1153
00:54:42.179 --> 00:54:47.269
looking into after this. Yeah. So definitely, you guys, are

1154
00:54:47.289 --> 00:54:49.739
you always looking for volunteers?

1155
00:54:50.059 --> 00:54:53.239
Yeah, we're always looking for have more people to help

1156
00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:55.420
us out. The more we can. So the more we

1157
00:54:55.440 --> 00:55:00.099
can recruit volunteers throughout the year, the more reliable people are,

1158
00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:02.730
the more people are dedicated. Just we're not having to

1159
00:55:02.789 --> 00:55:06.349
retrain people and have a constant fresh new batch. We

1160
00:55:06.369 --> 00:55:08.650
want to have people help with projects and do other things.

1161
00:55:08.750 --> 00:55:11.570
So it's really helpful for us if you're involved and

1162
00:55:11.590 --> 00:55:13.360
you're interested and you want to become a board member.

1163
00:55:14.179 --> 00:55:16.679
you know, people want to move on sometimes and that's okay,

1164
00:55:16.719 --> 00:55:21.340
but we want to continue to have more ideas, more involvement. Um,

1165
00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:24.989
so yeah, we're always looking for volunteers. We always want

1166
00:55:25.010 --> 00:55:26.949
people to be board members or to help out or

1167
00:55:27.570 --> 00:55:30.090
be involved in projects or do other things. And we're,

1168
00:55:30.150 --> 00:55:35.969
we think outside the box. So last year I, I did, um, a, uh, screening,

1169
00:55:36.289 --> 00:55:39.289
which is a fundraiser for us at Clinton street theater

1170
00:55:39.389 --> 00:55:40.949
and Tara came out and we showed my summer as

1171
00:55:40.969 --> 00:55:43.909
a goth because it was September, October, and it was,

1172
00:55:44.639 --> 00:55:47.699
You know, that movie came out a few years ago

1173
00:55:47.820 --> 00:55:50.400
and she was gracious enough to let it screen in

1174
00:55:50.519 --> 00:55:52.440
Clinton Street Theater. And we went to anyway. So we

1175
00:55:52.460 --> 00:55:55.179
did that. And then I rented a Holocene and we

1176
00:55:55.219 --> 00:55:58.349
did tunes for Tombstone. So I got a bunch of

1177
00:55:58.389 --> 00:56:00.610
bands and we did a bunch of stuff. So I

1178
00:56:01.409 --> 00:56:04.210
want to do I haven't done it yet because I've

1179
00:56:04.230 --> 00:56:06.170
just been so busy this past year. But there's an

1180
00:56:06.230 --> 00:56:09.730
event I wanted to do maybe at Crush or somewhere else,

1181
00:56:09.769 --> 00:56:13.010
but show Body of Evidence, which is what I want

1182
00:56:13.050 --> 00:56:15.489
to do. and have a drag show called Death is

1183
00:56:15.510 --> 00:56:15.869
a Drag.

1184
00:56:16.710 --> 00:56:19.469
Oh, my gosh. Okay, I'm coming to that. Please let

1185
00:56:19.510 --> 00:56:20.969
me know when this is happening.

1186
00:56:21.570 --> 00:56:23.679
So just different ideas. And part of it was to

1187
00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:27.239
outreach outside of the cemetery and to involve the community

1188
00:56:27.280 --> 00:56:30.760
and to do different things within the community. So, for example,

1189
00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:33.139
we did Ghosts of Summer this past year and the

1190
00:56:33.159 --> 00:56:35.079
year before, which is sort of a vending event.

1191
00:56:35.099 --> 00:56:36.860
We've been to that. Yeah. Yeah.

1192
00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:39.989
And then this year, OMSI, I think every year they do,

1193
00:56:40.030 --> 00:56:43.610
but OMSI invited us to come out to OMSI After Dark.

1194
00:56:44.210 --> 00:56:47.719
And so it's October 30th and it's I think the

1195
00:56:47.760 --> 00:56:50.559
theme is called spirits. And so they've got a whole,

1196
00:56:50.579 --> 00:56:53.400
I don't know, program planned or different things. So we're

1197
00:56:53.420 --> 00:56:55.380
going to be out there with a booth, just talking

1198
00:56:55.400 --> 00:56:57.699
about what we do. That's October 30th. You can go

1199
00:56:57.719 --> 00:56:59.860
to Omti's website and find out more about tickets. So

1200
00:57:00.340 --> 00:57:02.860
we're trying to do more things. We're getting invited to

1201
00:57:02.920 --> 00:57:04.860
do more things outside of the cemetery, which is pretty

1202
00:57:04.900 --> 00:57:05.599
fun and pretty cool.

1203
00:57:05.760 --> 00:57:06.179
Awesome.

1204
00:57:06.460 --> 00:57:08.219
But we need more volunteers to be able to do it. Right.

1205
00:57:08.280 --> 00:57:09.070
Yeah. Yeah.

1206
00:57:09.210 --> 00:57:10.789
We can't have the same five or six people showing

1207
00:57:10.929 --> 00:57:13.099
up every single thing. Like, You're going to keep going.

1208
00:57:13.159 --> 00:57:14.679
You keep seeing me. And you'll be like, do you

1209
00:57:14.719 --> 00:57:16.340
want to just do it all? I'm like, I do.

1210
00:57:17.039 --> 00:57:19.460
But also, there's just a core of, you know, there's

1211
00:57:19.840 --> 00:57:21.519
a consistent core of us. We would love more people

1212
00:57:21.559 --> 00:57:21.800
out there.

1213
00:57:22.300 --> 00:57:25.400
So how do you recommend getting started volunteering?

1214
00:57:25.599 --> 00:57:30.920
Just email us at info at, you know, friendsofloneforcemetery.org. And

1215
00:57:30.960 --> 00:57:32.460
we'll get back to you. And we'll give you a

1216
00:57:32.480 --> 00:57:34.599
whole step-by-step on how to do it. And then, you know,

1217
00:57:34.639 --> 00:57:37.219
let us know what you're interested in. If it's, you know,

1218
00:57:37.500 --> 00:57:40.829
hanging around tours, helping out with tours. Is it helping

1219
00:57:40.869 --> 00:57:44.320
be a site steward for next year's headstone workshops and

1220
00:57:44.340 --> 00:57:46.460
what that looks like. You want to do research. Do

1221
00:57:46.480 --> 00:57:48.320
you want to do, it's a whole slew of things,

1222
00:57:48.960 --> 00:57:50.480
you know, do you want to help? We have a

1223
00:57:50.500 --> 00:57:54.539
whole sort of crew out there that we've got work

1224
00:57:54.679 --> 00:57:58.320
working on besides headstone workshops. They're helping sort of uproot

1225
00:57:58.380 --> 00:58:00.900
some of the sunken in headstones or a lot of

1226
00:58:00.920 --> 00:58:03.239
them you think, Oh, they're gone, but they're just sunken in.

1227
00:58:03.780 --> 00:58:05.260
So we have like an edging crew is what we're

1228
00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:07.389
calling them. And they come out and they do, they

1229
00:58:07.409 --> 00:58:09.829
pull weeds or they you know do things just a

1230
00:58:09.989 --> 00:58:11.070
variety of things that you.

1231
00:58:11.010 --> 00:58:14.550
Can help out with that's awesome um what is the

1232
00:58:14.650 --> 00:58:16.769
email we'll put it in the show notes just in

1233
00:58:16.789 --> 00:58:19.030
case but i want to say it out loud too.

1234
00:58:19.349 --> 00:58:24.369
Yeah it's just info at friends of loan for cemetery.org.

1235
00:58:23.679 --> 00:58:28.300
So easy everyone please volunteer help out donate if you

1236
00:58:28.360 --> 00:58:31.800
can too if you can't volunteer your time you know

1237
00:58:31.860 --> 00:58:33.420
yeah Volunteer your money.

1238
00:58:34.219 --> 00:58:34.480
Yeah.

1239
00:58:34.679 --> 00:58:36.980
You can also come out. We've got shirts that we sell.

1240
00:58:37.079 --> 00:58:39.500
We have them for sale at Skeleton Key. They're good

1241
00:58:39.539 --> 00:58:41.730
friends of us. They help sort of be our storefront.

1242
00:58:42.489 --> 00:58:45.170
If you can't come out to tours, we will have

1243
00:58:45.210 --> 00:58:48.070
them for sale at our tours in October. So even

1244
00:58:48.090 --> 00:58:49.469
if you don't go on a tour, you can pop over.

1245
00:58:49.489 --> 00:58:50.530
And if you want to buy a shirt, you can

1246
00:58:50.570 --> 00:58:53.869
do that. Everything just helps support us. It helps support

1247
00:58:54.230 --> 00:58:57.500
who we are and keeping the lights on, so to speak.

1248
00:58:57.559 --> 00:58:59.119
So it's always appreciated.

1249
00:58:59.630 --> 00:59:02.579
And we appreciate you, the people who take care of

1250
00:59:02.659 --> 00:59:05.760
this awesome space that we get to enjoy. So thank

1251
00:59:05.800 --> 00:59:08.329
you so much for doing that as well. Thank you.

1252
00:59:08.349 --> 00:59:09.409
Really appreciate it.

1253
00:59:09.630 --> 00:59:13.690
Was there anything any last words you have the dog.

1254
00:59:13.469 --> 00:59:17.909
Might yeah yeah truly does um no i just think

1255
00:59:18.030 --> 00:59:21.000
i appreciate the the community support and the interest this

1256
00:59:21.019 --> 00:59:24.719
year is like the highest attended headstone workshop we were

1257
00:59:24.739 --> 00:59:27.800
getting like 60 people per session at times and it

1258
00:59:27.820 --> 00:59:31.030
was just amazing and great and Hopefully that really sparks

1259
00:59:31.070 --> 00:59:34.690
some interest with people throughout the year. We do different stuff.

1260
00:59:34.769 --> 00:59:37.329
So yeah, just come out and check it out and

1261
00:59:37.550 --> 00:59:39.670
know that any tour that you go on and anything

1262
00:59:39.690 --> 00:59:42.130
that you do where you buy a ticket or you

1263
00:59:42.150 --> 00:59:45.130
buy a shirt, you're spending money on a nonprofit. So

1264
00:59:45.510 --> 00:59:47.650
we all are volunteers. I've been doing this for 12

1265
00:59:47.650 --> 00:59:49.969
years and I've been doing it for free. So this

1266
00:59:50.050 --> 00:59:52.250
is just something where all the money goes back into

1267
00:59:52.329 --> 00:59:54.929
us being able to do really cool stuff. So every

1268
00:59:54.949 --> 00:59:56.539
dollar that you spend supports that effort.

1269
00:59:57.909 --> 00:59:58.250
All right.

1270
00:59:58.289 --> 01:00:00.590
Well, it's so nice to talk to you, Margaret. Thank

1271
01:00:00.630 --> 01:00:02.800
you for doing this interview with me.

1272
01:00:03.300 --> 01:00:05.019
Nice to talk to you. Thank you so much.

1273
01:00:05.039 --> 01:00:11.539
We hope you enjoyed that interview with Margaret. She was

1274
01:00:11.840 --> 01:00:17.260
so sweet to talk to us. And she did offer

1275
01:00:18.250 --> 01:00:20.929
to let us come to one of these sold out

1276
01:00:21.469 --> 01:00:27.449
Twilight Tombstone Twilight Twilight Tombstone tours. One of I can't think.

1277
01:00:27.309 --> 01:00:31.179
Of Tombstone, Twilight, Twilight, Tombstone. Twilight, Tombstone.

1278
01:00:31.460 --> 01:00:34.699
It's not about Twilight. It's just at Twilight, the time

1279
01:00:34.760 --> 01:00:40.550
of the day. It's not about Toilet. But I'm really

1280
01:00:40.590 --> 01:00:42.570
excited because they were sold out. And I was like, oh,

1281
01:00:42.650 --> 01:00:45.949
I really wanted to go. And she was so sweet

1282
01:00:46.070 --> 01:00:47.650
to offer to let us come to one of those.

1283
01:00:47.710 --> 01:00:51.070
So I am dragging Caitlin to a cemetery, you guys.

1284
01:00:51.190 --> 01:00:52.210
I finally did it.

1285
01:00:53.849 --> 01:00:54.070
Uh-huh.

1286
01:00:54.590 --> 01:00:55.349
I'm going.

1287
01:00:56.099 --> 01:00:57.059
To the cemetery.

1288
01:00:57.159 --> 01:01:00.460
She's going to the cemetery. Her comfort item, Chris, is

1289
01:01:00.500 --> 01:01:03.510
allowed to go. I did have to ask for her.

1290
01:01:05.130 --> 01:01:06.590
My companion husband.

1291
01:01:07.190 --> 01:01:10.030
I did. When I talked about him, I called him

1292
01:01:10.090 --> 01:01:13.630
your comfort item. And our tech guy.

1293
01:01:14.469 --> 01:01:14.909
Oh, yeah.

1294
01:01:14.989 --> 01:01:18.429
I mean, he does help us a lot technologically, especially

1295
01:01:18.489 --> 01:01:19.710
when we travel.

1296
01:01:20.150 --> 01:01:20.369
Yes.

1297
01:01:21.150 --> 01:01:21.940
Oh, boy.

1298
01:01:22.309 --> 01:01:23.469
And that's not the only.

1299
01:01:24.880 --> 01:01:28.739
Tour that we're going to be going on this season.

1300
01:01:28.820 --> 01:01:31.059
And that's all I'm saying about that. You'll have to wait. Okay.

1301
01:01:31.119 --> 01:01:32.780
I was going to say, are we telling them or?

1302
01:01:33.079 --> 01:01:34.880
No, we're not telling them yet. That's going to be

1303
01:01:34.940 --> 01:01:36.000
its own episode.

1304
01:01:36.500 --> 01:01:36.800
Ooh.

1305
01:01:36.940 --> 01:01:37.440
Pretty sure.

1306
01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:37.960
So.

1307
01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:41.639
I'm so excited. How many times have I said stay

1308
01:01:41.699 --> 01:01:44.340
tuned to this episode? Just like keep listening to us.

1309
01:01:44.360 --> 01:01:45.500
Keep doing it.

1310
01:01:46.340 --> 01:01:47.889
Please share us with your friends. Wee.

1311
01:01:48.090 --> 01:01:48.170
Wee.

1312
01:01:55.059 --> 01:01:59.780
Spooky season. Okay, I'm going to do one more shuffle.

1313
01:02:00.739 --> 01:02:03.280
Get my energies into it.

1314
01:02:03.449 --> 01:02:04.389
Get it, get it.

1315
01:02:04.449 --> 01:02:08.530
Send me all your energy from the future. Help me

1316
01:02:08.590 --> 01:02:15.570
pull this card. Oh, Seven of Swords. It is a

1317
01:02:15.710 --> 01:02:21.539
little ghosty holding five swords, and then there's two kind

1318
01:02:21.599 --> 01:02:22.880
of hanging out next to him.

1319
01:02:24.260 --> 01:02:25.360
And upright, correct?

1320
01:02:25.679 --> 01:02:25.920
Yes.

1321
01:02:26.099 --> 01:02:36.289
Okay. Our keywords are uncertainty, illusion, impetuousness, stealth, cunning, and strategy.

1322
01:02:37.969 --> 01:02:44.019
Some decks, including the Rider-Waite-Smith, Aquarian, and Gilded Tarot, show

1323
01:02:44.079 --> 01:02:48.059
a man carrying away five swords, leaving two stuck in

1324
01:02:48.099 --> 01:02:52.269
the ground behind him. When this card appears, it suggests

1325
01:02:52.309 --> 01:02:55.750
you're facing a challenge or problem and must use caution

1326
01:02:55.809 --> 01:02:58.269
to overcome potential danger.

1327
01:02:59.150 --> 01:03:01.730
Please be careful out there during the spooky season.

1328
01:03:02.030 --> 01:03:02.610
Yes.

1329
01:03:03.329 --> 01:03:07.199
In the dark. Yeah, especially, especially.

1330
01:03:08.780 --> 01:03:13.280
The upright seven suggests a tricky situation in which things

1331
01:03:13.400 --> 01:03:17.460
are not completely clear. Very on brand for the season.

1332
01:03:18.869 --> 01:03:21.530
You may be formulating a plan, but don't have all

1333
01:03:21.570 --> 01:03:25.590
the information you need. Or the plan may be risky

1334
01:03:25.730 --> 01:03:26.829
and could backfire.

1335
01:03:27.489 --> 01:03:31.250
Don't be visiting abandoned buildings at night to ghost hunt.

1336
01:03:32.199 --> 01:03:34.920
Or maybe not cemeteries. I don't know. It's hard to

1337
01:03:34.960 --> 01:03:37.360
say what it's about exactly. We're not going to the

1338
01:03:37.380 --> 01:03:41.119
cemetery alone. I'm having second thoughts. It is a tour

1339
01:03:41.179 --> 01:03:46.360
with tons of people around. It's guided. It's safe. Okay.

1340
01:03:47.800 --> 01:03:49.900
Don't go alone at night.

1341
01:03:52.190 --> 01:04:00.150
This card can represent surreptitious action and advises diplomacy. In

1342
01:04:00.190 --> 01:04:03.110
a reading about money, the seven warns that you probably

1343
01:04:03.170 --> 01:04:07.840
shouldn't go ahead with financial idea or investment you're considering.

1344
01:04:08.940 --> 01:04:12.699
Perhaps the risks are too high. Or the deal may

1345
01:04:12.739 --> 01:04:14.340
be shaky or shady.

1346
01:04:14.360 --> 01:04:17.130
Oh, I'm going to watch out for those shady deals.

1347
01:04:17.610 --> 01:04:18.110
Yeah.

1348
01:04:18.750 --> 01:04:21.289
The whole time I'm walking around the cemetery, I'm just like,

1349
01:04:21.349 --> 01:04:26.190
I'm not making any deals. Might be beyond that. I'm

1350
01:04:26.230 --> 01:04:29.639
just really focused on that whole thing, I feel.

1351
01:04:29.800 --> 01:04:32.159
I feel like once you listen to the interview with Margaret,

1352
01:04:32.699 --> 01:04:36.480
you're not going to be scared of the cemetery really anymore. Okay.

1353
01:04:37.340 --> 01:04:38.920
That would be the first time in my life. But

1354
01:04:39.079 --> 01:04:43.630
first time for everything. If the reading is about your job,

1355
01:04:43.730 --> 01:04:49.409
this card suggests... Oh, this card says, don't engage in

1356
01:04:49.469 --> 01:04:55.429
direct confrontation. So don't go all Zach Baggins, Zach Bagel Bites.

1357
01:04:55.250 --> 01:04:58.570
All over the place. Don't Bagel Bites the demons.

1358
01:04:58.610 --> 01:05:03.389
Yeah, that's right. Don't Bagel Bites the demons. Work behind

1359
01:05:03.449 --> 01:05:07.309
the scenes to get results. The upright seven can also

1360
01:05:07.449 --> 01:05:13.050
indicate restlessness. Perhaps your job lacks the diversity or stimulation

1361
01:05:13.110 --> 01:05:16.849
you desire. Consider making a change. Well, I'd really love to.

1362
01:05:17.210 --> 01:05:19.369
Will you support us on Patreon so that I can

1363
01:05:19.409 --> 01:05:22.050
no longer work my soul-sucking corporate job?

1364
01:05:23.260 --> 01:05:23.880
Please, please.

1365
01:05:25.320 --> 01:05:28.739
In a reading about love, which is, of course, how

1366
01:05:28.800 --> 01:05:33.699
you feel for us and therefore wish to support us financially, please.

1367
01:05:35.420 --> 01:05:39.429
In a reading about love, you're advised to seek compromise

1368
01:05:39.960 --> 01:05:44.599
and use diplomacy rather than arguing with a partner but

1369
01:05:44.639 --> 01:05:48.179
don't just go along to get along and that's why

1370
01:05:48.199 --> 01:05:51.199
i am no longer going on the tour because i

1371
01:05:51.260 --> 01:05:54.159
cannot go along to get along.

1372
01:05:54.039 --> 01:05:54.780
Yes you can.

1373
01:05:58.289 --> 01:06:01.789
Sometimes this card shows leaving a relationship that doesn't meet

1374
01:06:01.809 --> 01:06:04.690
your intellectual or spiritual needs.

1375
01:06:05.940 --> 01:06:09.449
You're like, I'm leaving you. I'm leaving you. Yeah. We

1376
01:06:09.469 --> 01:06:10.469
have nothing in common.

1377
01:06:12.489 --> 01:06:17.809
Okay, there's an extra excerpt. Be focused and thorough in

1378
01:06:17.889 --> 01:06:22.519
planning your strategy. As Barbara Moore writes in The Gilded

1379
01:06:22.639 --> 01:06:27.199
Tarot Companion, be on guard or one of those swords

1380
01:06:27.500 --> 01:06:32.599
he left behind will find its way into his back.

1381
01:06:33.619 --> 01:06:38.210
Okay. Okay. Well, now it seems like it's hinting at murder.

1382
01:06:38.230 --> 01:06:41.510
I just feel like it's just a good reminder for

1383
01:06:41.570 --> 01:06:43.710
people because we, you know, drew the card just for,

1384
01:06:43.769 --> 01:06:46.769
you know, spooky season. So just a reminder to just

1385
01:06:46.840 --> 01:06:51.340
watch out. Be safe. There's illusions. There's all kinds of illusions.

1386
01:06:51.380 --> 01:06:56.179
There's people dressed up. Just be safe. It's interesting, though,

1387
01:06:56.199 --> 01:06:59.099
because like in this card, like it just looks like,

1388
01:06:59.260 --> 01:07:02.269
you know, the sun is setting. Yeah. Earlier.

1389
01:07:02.289 --> 01:07:02.849
I don't know.

1390
01:07:03.260 --> 01:07:06.440
And we're talking about like the twilight tombstones. Yeah.

1391
01:07:07.039 --> 01:07:11.059
Okay, I'm going to read the extra excerpt at the

1392
01:07:11.179 --> 01:07:14.099
end of the reverse interpretation. I feel like I'm going

1393
01:07:14.119 --> 01:07:16.579
to live to regret it because it kind of seems

1394
01:07:16.619 --> 01:07:19.000
like it's taking your stupid side.

1395
01:07:19.019 --> 01:07:20.239
It always does.

1396
01:07:21.480 --> 01:07:25.840
Tragedy should be utilized as a source of strength. No

1397
01:07:25.880 --> 01:07:30.590
matter what sort of difficulties, how painful experience is, If

1398
01:07:30.630 --> 01:07:34.309
we lose our hope, that's our real disaster. Do you

1399
01:07:34.349 --> 01:07:35.650
want to guess who said that?

1400
01:07:36.590 --> 01:07:37.469
I have no idea.

1401
01:07:38.070 --> 01:07:39.090
His holiness.

1402
01:07:39.570 --> 01:07:40.750
Jesus Christ.

1403
01:07:41.090 --> 01:07:46.369
The 14th Dalai Lama. Oh. Yeah, no, I don't read

1404
01:07:46.389 --> 01:07:47.530
a lot of Jesus quotes.

1405
01:07:47.610 --> 01:07:50.329
Yeah, I don't think there's a lot of Jesus quotes

1406
01:07:50.389 --> 01:07:52.849
in the tarot book.

1407
01:07:52.949 --> 01:07:57.969
Probably not. Do we have anything else to share with

1408
01:07:57.989 --> 01:07:59.840
the people or? I don't.

1409
01:07:59.880 --> 01:08:01.860
But if you guys, you know, want to let us

1410
01:08:01.940 --> 01:08:04.570
know how if this card helped you out, if you're

1411
01:08:04.610 --> 01:08:07.369
listening to it at the exact right moment you needed it,

1412
01:08:07.409 --> 01:08:10.150
you can always let us know. I think it's interesting

1413
01:08:10.230 --> 01:08:14.239
to see like how far down the road when people

1414
01:08:14.280 --> 01:08:17.979
are listening to, you know, certain tarot reads and how

1415
01:08:18.039 --> 01:08:21.939
they relate to their own lives that are happening. Yeah.

1416
01:08:22.159 --> 01:08:23.479
At that moment. Yeah.

1417
01:08:23.520 --> 01:08:23.800
Yeah.

1418
01:08:24.210 --> 01:08:27.369
It just makes me think of that. I think it's

1419
01:08:27.449 --> 01:08:32.010
kind of a trend on it's multiple platforms. But I

1420
01:08:32.029 --> 01:08:34.899
always think of TikTok where it's like, I don't need

1421
01:08:35.520 --> 01:08:38.600
I don't know who needs to hear this today, you know?

1422
01:08:38.619 --> 01:08:41.979
And I'm like, oh, yeah, because sometimes, you know, you're

1423
01:08:42.020 --> 01:08:46.229
seeing that sometimes. you know, weeks, months, however long after

1424
01:08:46.289 --> 01:08:48.180
the person has kind of put that out.

1425
01:08:48.300 --> 01:08:51.079
I mean, on TikTok, aren't things dead after like an hour?

1426
01:08:51.100 --> 01:08:51.659
Basically.

1427
01:08:51.680 --> 01:08:52.659
No one sees it again.

1428
01:08:52.699 --> 01:08:55.189
Yeah, so it feels like it's even more meant to be, right?

1429
01:08:55.199 --> 01:08:57.909
I feel like with ours, ours is gonna last for

1430
01:08:57.989 --> 01:09:00.630
years and years so like 200 years down the road

1431
01:09:00.689 --> 01:09:02.939
let us know how this card relates.

1432
01:09:02.529 --> 01:09:05.460
To you ticking and talking you know cause you sent

1433
01:09:05.479 --> 01:09:08.239
me your energy and it went into that card and

1434
01:09:08.279 --> 01:09:09.199
it's for you.

1435
01:09:11.000 --> 01:09:15.380
Well let's go do some spooky shit okay yeah.

1436
01:09:15.340 --> 01:09:16.880
Let's go be spooky.

1437
01:09:16.560 --> 01:09:18.819
We're gonna be spooky for so many more weeks I

1438
01:09:18.939 --> 01:09:20.220
know I'm so excited.

1439
01:09:20.300 --> 01:09:24.539
We really need to do midnight margaritas like very soon.

1440
01:09:24.560 --> 01:09:28.380
Okay. Okay. Like for real, like a live stream, actual

1441
01:09:28.479 --> 01:09:32.119
midnight margarita. That'd be fun. We can do that.

1442
01:09:32.140 --> 01:09:33.739
Do you guys want that? Are you into it?

1443
01:09:33.739 --> 01:09:36.960
Join us at midnight. That's really late, but like you

1444
01:09:36.979 --> 01:09:38.760
guys can do it. We can do it on a

1445
01:09:38.819 --> 01:09:39.930
Saturday night. Yeah.

1446
01:09:40.420 --> 01:09:41.079
Keep it fresh.

1447
01:09:41.140 --> 01:09:43.760
Keep it frunky. It's just a bunch of us sleeping.

1448
01:09:43.979 --> 01:09:44.420
Yeah.

1449
01:09:45.680 --> 01:09:48.170
We all have an alarm set to wake us up

1450
01:09:48.250 --> 01:09:50.170
at midnight for the margarita.

1451
01:09:50.350 --> 01:09:51.550
Probably more accurate.

1452
01:09:51.770 --> 01:09:52.069
Yeah.

1453
01:09:52.170 --> 01:09:54.909
That's what happens in the movie, though. So that's more authentic.

1454
01:09:55.029 --> 01:09:58.130
Is it? Yeah. She wakes her up with the blender.

1455
01:09:58.149 --> 01:09:59.149
Yeah, you're right.

1456
01:09:59.189 --> 01:10:00.479
Wake up her sister.

1457
01:10:00.689 --> 01:10:04.020
My God, you guys. This has been a millennial, an

1458
01:10:04.199 --> 01:10:08.020
elder millennial calling card from from from the jump.

1459
01:10:08.899 --> 01:10:12.359
OK, so. Let's do this. I have a blender. Do

1460
01:10:12.399 --> 01:10:16.239
you have a blender? Let's do this. I have a ninja.

1461
01:10:16.819 --> 01:10:17.779
I have a ninja too.

1462
01:10:17.920 --> 01:10:18.899
Is a ninja a blender?

1463
01:10:19.220 --> 01:10:19.899
It is. Okay.

1464
01:10:19.920 --> 01:10:20.100
Yeah.

1465
01:10:20.979 --> 01:10:23.220
It doesn't matter because you'll be here and we'll use

1466
01:10:23.260 --> 01:10:23.939
my ninja.

1467
01:10:24.050 --> 01:10:27.350
Okay. Sounds good. Well, everyone get your blenders. Get prepared.

1468
01:10:28.649 --> 01:10:28.970
Yeah.

1469
01:10:29.109 --> 01:10:30.390
I think that's a fun idea.

1470
01:10:30.510 --> 01:10:35.750
Keep you updated. Keep you posted. In the meantime, have

1471
01:10:35.810 --> 01:10:39.710
a creepy ass day. We'll see you next Tuesday.

1472
01:10:39.729 --> 01:10:40.609
We're at midnight.

1473
01:10:40.710 --> 01:10:45.840
Whatever. Unless we lost Caitlin at the cemetery. I need

1474
01:10:45.850 --> 01:10:53.100
my comfort item. I need my comfort item. Oh, no.

1475
01:10:53.560 --> 01:10:54.479
It's my headphones.

1476
01:10:55.000 --> 01:10:56.359
You guys, this is a mess.

1477
01:10:57.260 --> 01:10:58.260
What is happening?

1478
01:10:58.279 --> 01:11:00.260
That witch cackle.

1479
01:11:00.319 --> 01:11:03.439
That really got me. We love to witch cackle. Damn.

1480
01:11:03.539 --> 01:11:05.659
We better go.

1481
01:11:05.680 --> 01:11:07.020
She's losing it.

1482
01:11:08.600 --> 01:11:10.899
Gotta get this girl a margarita, even though it's not midnight.