Haunted Filming Locations of Practical Magic 2 | English Ghost Stories

0:00 Another filming location. This one's really, really cool and pretty. It's called the Old Wardour Castle, but it was severely damaged during the English Civil War. The haunting ruins are now an English heritage site and a great place for filming movies like Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves, and of course, Practical Magic 2. Hello. It doesn't look like it's that ruined. You should see the back of it. Well, yeah, I can see that it looks like she may have a little... running her stockings there. So there are some ghosties here as well. The gray lady. Of course. Don't tell anyone I didn't know what button to push. I think you just did. I'm going to cut it out.

0:51 Ah, the magic of editing. The bright green recording button. Which one is that? Which one is that? Well, hi, Caitlin. Hi, Cassie. Hi, creepy people. Hello. This is P & W Haunts and Homicides, where we chat about true crime, the paranormal, and all things fall and spooky and witchy in the Pacific Northwest. Oh. Or the PNW, if you're nasty. We also do a tarot reading at the end of every episode for a little deeper insight into our topic. That's the one. Yeah, that thing. Yeah, that thing. And we're definitely doing it today because our topic is witchy.

1:33 Are we just 110% on theme? Yes, I think we are. Can anyone guess what we're drinking right now? Yes. I'm waiting. Hello. Are you going to answer? We're drinking midnight margaritas from a little packet. They're so... Wait, let's clink. Cheers. Clink. So it's black and sparkly. It's beautiful. And delicious. And there is quite a bit of tequila in this. Yeah, um. I found myself wondering why if shot glasses are approximately, I believe, 1.5 ounces, that you would have a recipe that says 4 ounces. Just tell me how many shots I think is the right measuring unit. You know, here we are.

2:32 So, it's fine. We figured it out. Yep. And we have drinks. Yep. Okay, so we're obviously so excited for Practical Magic 2 to come out. I don't know if you guys saw our rerun we did last week or saw it, watched it, listened to it, whatever. Because it is on YouTube, I'm pretty sure. We talked about where the first Practical Magic was filmed. And it was filmed in Whidbey and San Juan Islands in Washington. Yeah. And then so I was obviously curious if Practical Magic 2 was also filmed there. Unfortunately, it was not.

3:12 What? Yeah, no, it wasn't. Where did they film it? Well, I'm going to tell you. And there was a quote in an article I read from, I think, one of the, like, town leaders I don't know someone someone who's like involved with the town and they said we were all very disappointed about that yeah I know not gonna lie me too but the movie. Like took them in another direction I. Guess there's new scenery it's exciting um so they actually filmed in England oh well okay it's hard to stay mad at that yeah But don't worry, the town still has their Practically Magic Halloweekend where they celebrate all things Practical Magic and Halloween-y in October. And they have like movie nights to screen the movie still and everything. So that's all still going on.

4:03 Amaz. So it was mostly in a London studio where they rebuilt the famous, big, beautiful dream house. I love it. Because if you remember in that first episode where we talked about it, the house was built just for the movie and then taken down. So it's not like an actual house. Yeah. So they had to recreate it. And they said it was like recreating the OG house was very important to them. So it better be right on. Yeah. Because you're going to have a bunch of little witches after you if it's not. I know for real. Can you imagine if they get details wrong? It's really. I'm going to go frame by frame. Yeah. Yeah.

4:45 Yeah. I'm sure it's gorgeous. And they threw a lot of money at it. So I would think so. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Big budget films here. That's what I'm talking about. And of course, they didn't just film in the studio, in the house. The movie takes place in other areas, too. So I was wondering if the other filming locations in England, if any of them were haunted. And they might be. Oh. So we're going to talk about it. Oh. Why do you seem disappointed? I'm on a roller coaster right now. You're like, I thought you don't want to hear about hauntings. Well, I just was like, it'd be so cool if they had chosen like a location to film in England and it was a spooky one.

5:29 I just feel like that's very on brand. I don't think they specifically looked for spooky places. It's more about like the vibe of how it looks. I think you might be right. But for me, I took all those locations and I typed in haunted after in Google to see what I could find. I love it. And I found some stuff. Excellent. One of the filming locations is what they claim to be the oldest pub in England. Really? Yeah, it's called the Royal Standard. Uh-huh. And they've been operating for about 900 years, which I feel like is a very long time. Yeah, I mean, I guess. Like, that's, I don't even know what year that is. Like the 1100s? Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

6:19 Because like one of the articles said the like first mentions of it were in 1213. But I was like, that math doesn't line up their website. So it's like 900 years. So I'm going to go with that. Yeah. So it's a long time. It wasn't always named that. It started with a different name. Well, I was going to say, I mean, at the point like 1213, it's already probably been around for 100 years based on. Crazy. But yeah, I'm sure it changed names and all kinds of things. All kinds of shit went down there. Plus, you know, I don't think they were known for their record keeping at that point in history. Probably not. Probably not. Not overall. I don't know. England, what's up with you? Get it together.

6:59 Like we weren't even around then. Like we weren't even a country. Well, we were. We just weren't here. Yeah. It's located in the village of Fortygreen near... Beacons Field in Buckinghamshire. Oh, my goodness. And that was a mouthful for me to say. Buckinghamshire? See, I can't even say it a second time. That may have something to do with the tequila. Yeah. It's hard to say. It hasn't hit me yet. No? I'm already experiencing a warm, tingling sensation. So it was used as a filming location for several movies and TV shows. Before Practical Magic 2, staff at the pub experience candles going out for no reason, which is like very witchy in Practical Magic because, you know, she blows on the candle.

7:50 To light it. Yeah. What do they do to extinguish the candle? Do they suck it back out? Yeah, I guess I don't know. If you're blowing to light, you're probably sucking to extinguish. Yeah. Right? I feel like that makes sense. That makes sense. Laughter is also heard from the empty cellar. And I like to think it's a cackle. I mean, yeah, if the shoe fits. It's got to be. They also have some entities reported there. One of them is known as the little drummer boy. And no, it's not the Christmas one. Not the Christmas one. Okay. Okay.

8:31 Actually, I don't even know. Like, I don't know about him. I don't like. Relate with that story or the song or whatever. So I don't even really know what the little drummer boy is about. So maybe it relates. I don't know. You guys tell me. During the English Civil War, a 12-year-old Irish Confederate cavalier, which were known as the Royalists, I guess. Oh. I don't know a lot about the English Civil War. Yeah, me either. Apologies. He was a drummer boy who was executed along with other soldiers at the Royal Standard. Oh. By roundhead soldiers, which were the parliamentarians. Executed? Yeah, they were executed because it was.

9:14 I guess they executed a lot of people back then. You know, that was kind of a thing. Yeah. England, man. They'd be cutting off heads. Kind of a bummer. Oh, and I kind of gave it away. So their heads were put on spikes outside the pub. Oh, yuck. I don't like that. Yeah. It's like such a gross... It really is. Don't be the royalist. Your head will be here on the spike. Put your head on the spike. Yeah. You know, not what I would like anybody to do with my head. Yeah. It's very Game of Thrones, too. I was just going to say, gosh, I forget what the new show is called, but yeah. it's House of Dragons.

9:59 It's giving House. Of Dragons a little bit. I haven't watched it yet. People say you can still hear the poor boy beating his drum at night. Oh, no. That's even more sad because like he wasn't even fighting. He was just a drummer. Which, I don't know. I don't know why you... I don't get why there would be kids drumming in a war, but. I mean, yeah. I feel like I have so many questions about the origin of that from. Like, does it... I should look. I really want to, like, look into the purpose. Because I'm like, does it just, like... Drumming, does it, like... pick up the vibe for people to, like, want to kill or, like, let people know they're coming, but why would you do that? Well, okay, so here's the thing, and you'll maybe kind of remember this from learning about, like, the Revolutionary War here.

10:49 So in England, and, like, traditionally in European warfare, it was, like, lines, right? Yeah. That's where, like, when they talk about, like, front lines. Yeah. It was because they all just lined up in a field and, like, shot at each other. And it was very orderly. And I'm like, why. Would anyone want to do war that way? It doesn't... I don't know. It doesn't compute to me, but I didn't come from a time where that was normal. Yeah. So, I mean, they had that because I think that they, like, kind of played everybody in... It's very strange. There was a lot of pageantry involved. Yeah, that's what it seems like.

11:29 Yeah. Like, why? You're literally killing each other. Right. I don't get it. But, you know. Lots of high-ranking military officials that made some choices that I'm like, huh, so I think your talents could have been used maybe on Broadway. Yeah. Very theatrical. Uh-huh. Yeah. Isn't that a vibe? Heads on spikes. Right? The most reported apparition seen at the pub is a man walking through and disappearing into the fireplace in the candle room, which I don't know what the candle room is, but it sounds witchy and I want to go to there.

12:11 I have sort of. Mixed feelings about that. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe, but... I mean, he doesn't do anything. He just walks in and through. And I don't know if he has like some sort of attachment to the fireplace or if he's. He would have to, wouldn't he? I don't know. Or if he's just walking through a place, maybe the fireplace wasn't there before when he died and he's just kind of residual. I just feel as though I would have some strong feelings about witnessing that. Yeah. You know, I just... It would be interesting. Yeah. I'm down. I'm down. Let's go to England. I mean, you don't have to twist my arm to go back to England. Do you want to look at the pub?

12:52 It looks like the pub in like Harry Potter or something. I know. It's so pretty. The windows. I can't. I want to go here. Steak night. Steak night. Is this in London? I think it's like right outside of London. It is right outside. Burgundy shirt. Well, this looks like it might be like maybe an hour outside of London. Yeah. If I had to guess. But I mean, it's outside London. It's close enough. It's close enough. They've used it for a lot of filming. Yeah. Hot fuzz! I knew I recognized it. Yeah, I didn't list out all the films it was in, but it was in quite a few. Okay.

13:34 Back to business. I had to show you because it's just so cute. Okay, so The Disappearing Man. Who do you think it is? No, I'm just kidding. I mean, I have. You would literally, like, how could you guess? But that fireplace, though. I know. I was like, is this the fireplace in the candle room? That's huge. Are there multiple fireplaces in this building? I don't know. Somebody could totally walk into that fireplace. Well, hopefully he's not just, like, continuously getting burned in his afterlife, unless he was a horrible person. I don't know. Yeah. So they don't really know who this is, but they think it might be a man who was accidentally ran over by a horse-drawn carriage. What? Like, you know, back in the day when horse-drawn carriages were a thing. Not like currently.

14:17 Not like yesterday. Yeah. Not like a fun touristy horse-drawn carriage thing. It was like older. Okay. That's fair. Okay. But so you get hit by a carriage and then you spend the afterlife walking into fireplaces. I don't know. Maybe he's wandering around, doesn't know where he is. Yeah. I would say he seems a little bit discombobulated. I'm not sure. I don't know for sure. But I mean, if you're walking into fireplaces, I have to consider that it's possible that it's because you were in a carriage accident and you have a head injury. Yeah. You have a traumatic brain injury, my friend. Or maybe he's like doesn't know he's dead. I don't know. Doesn't is like trying to kill himself. I don't know.

15:00 He's testing it like The only way I could possibly do this is if I was a ghost. It reminds me of that weird, those weird videos of like this little AI creature guy who like just like throws himself in the fire. Oh my God. I think I showed it to you before. I can't remember his name at the moment. But anyway, the driver of the carriage happened to be the Earl of Barrymore. Oh, well. Yeah. So he was part of the four horse club, which I guess was like a driving club for rich people because they couldn't like drive themselves. So it was like cool to like have a club where they could drive. I don't really know.

15:40 Yeah. All right. They were known to bribe coachmen to let them drive their carriages. And I think now we know why they weren't. Supposed to drive. Yeah. Well, and this wasn't like a little Sunday drive around town. They were pretty reckless and like to go fast. Yeah. If you're not first, you're last. We're not talking about a Maserati here. Like, How do you not see a pedestrian before you hit them with a horse-drawn carriage? Because you can't see it past the horse's butt. I don't know. It's a blind spot. They brought the man who was hit into the pub and then bribed the owner to keep it hidden.

16:22 What? Yeah. So there's a lot of bribery going around with this Earl guy. I just don't understand why that seemed necessary. Like, why are you dragging the pub owner into this? I know. Well, I guess they had, they couldn't just like leave him in the street. I don't know. Maybe they tried to save him and couldn't. I have no more information. It's great because I have nothing but questions. So I don't know. I feel like sometimes if like a death was very sudden, maybe the spirit is kind of just confused and just like wandering around. And I don't know. Dude is discombobulated. I said it once and I'll say it again. Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah. People also hear a woman's soft singing seemingly coming from nowhere. Okay.

17:07 And the apparition of a woman is seen in the ladies' rooms. Okay. I just, you know, as unsettling as it would be to see somebody walk into a fireplace, if I could just have a moment of peace when I use the facilities. No, you might see a lady in there and she might be singing at you. Which is like the single most obnoxious thing. Please do not make me participate in a forcible musical on the toilet. Oh, I would love that. Please sing for me on the toilet. Maybe she's taking a deuce and she's singing to cover up the sounds of the plopping. I mean, anything's possible.

17:51 So they don't know who she was either when she was alive, but maybe a barmaid or maybe one of the pub's cunning women. which would be like a healer or an herbalist who tended fires and shared folklore. How interesting. And if that doesn't sound like a witch, I don't know what does. Yeah, I don't know what else to say. So I'm going to go with she was a witch. Yeah, I think so. Speaking of witches, near the pub is a very old road called Riding Lane, which is like great naming skills right there is a sunken hollow by the road known as hag pit wow okay where witches were known to gather and probably hex all the men in town for driving crazy and running people.

18:44 Over i mean which feels fair at that point really you. Know i mean obviously i made that up but it was known for like witchy witchcraft area yeah they kind of painted it as like a bad vibe. Oh. Like hag pit. Yeah. It's where all those creepy witches meet. But I think it sounds magical. I mean, I think it sounds magical. I want to go to hag pit. Honestly. In 1944, a U.S. B-17 Flying Fortress called the Tomahawk Warrior crashed on riding lane, killing nine crewmen. What? I know. It's kind of crazy, right? Yeah, a little bit. I think it was 1944, like wartime. Yeah, World War II. Yeah.

19:25 Right before the end of the war. Yeah, so that was happening. Bummer. Today you might still hear the sound of a plane in an empty sky. Oh, okay. Wouldn't that be kind of creepy? Yeah, that'd be super creepy. Where's the plane? And then you don't see it. Another filming location. This one's really, really cool and pretty. It's called the Old Wardour Castle in Wiltshire. Wiltshire. Wiltshire. Don't say Shire. Wiltshire. Well, sure. I almost did it. It's hard because it's spelled shire. Yeah, well, and then, you know, when they're talking about, like, in Lord of the Rings, it's the shire. So I just feel like it's a little bit of mixed messaging on the shire.

20:14 It sounds more magical, and I like it better, but I understand that's not how you pronounce it. So this castle is shaped like a hexagon built from white stone in the 14th century. Oh! I want it. But it was severely damaged during the English Civil War. I mean, that kind of makes sense. Yeah. I feel like. Civil War does tend to have that sort of... They kind of fuck shit up. Yeah. God. The haunting ruins are now an English heritage site and a great place for filming movies like Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves, and of course, Practical Magic 2. Hello! It doesn't look like it's that ruined.

20:55 You should see the back of it. Well, yeah. I can see that it looks like she may have a little run in her stockings there. This reminds me of the show that ruined my life that was about the people that they were renovating the Chateau that she inherited from her grandfather. Oh. That he bought in like the 1980s. And it's so massive. Like they could spend the rest of their lives trying to restore it and maybe still have unfinished. Oh my gosh. I mean, the place is so old. That like a king from, I want to say that it was either the 13 or the 1400s had his honeymoon there.

21:40 Oh my God. Wow. So. Yeah. I feel like she just needs to share it. Honestly. With us. I know. We'll help with renovations. Where is my goddamn chateau? Give me a mallet. Let's knock some shit down. Is that what you do with a mallet? I don't know. Sure. So there are some. ghosties here as well. The gray lady. Of course. Which is like, I don't know, is that offensive? Are you calling me old? Like, is my hair gray or do I just appear gray? You know, and here's the thing is it's like, okay, lady in white, lady gray, da-da-da-da-da.

22:20 Like, ugh. The most famous ghost at Old Wardour Castle is believed to belong to Lady Blanche Arendelle. Wow. who was actually in the castle with her kids and staff and 25 men while it was being attacked by 1,300 soldiers in the war. Super cool. Yeah. Those seem like totally fair odds. Oh, yeah. Yeah. For sure. They did not die there, though, thankfully. Oh, wow. But after nine days of being severely outnumbered and, like, they were just, like, attacking the house, like, knocking bricks down. Like, you know, like, I don't know if they were bombing it or, like, shooting at it.

23:02 Bombing. It's like... I mean, taking the big like what's the equivalent in that day? Yeah. You know, like where they take the big tree logs and like, yeah, the wall. So they were just fucking this place up. All these people were in there for nine days and there were children. Yeah. And I mean, at some point they're going to run out of like food. Yeah. So crazy. Crazy. But so they were severely outnumbered and they surrendered the castle, obviously. Yeah. It was either that or probably die. Yeah. People think it's her apparition they see walking all around the grounds at twilight.

23:43 That makes sense. Yeah. She likes to like wander through the castle, maybe peek out from windows. And she's seen a lot. By the lake. Yeah. I mean, that's the shit that I'd be doing. I'm like, still my past. Fucking castle. This is my castle now. You can't take it from me. Assholes. And there's like a ton of fucking history about this castle. I didn't even like touch a little surface of it. There's a ton. So if you need to read about it, if you're just so curious, like where her husband was, what was he doing? Seriously. Why they were being attacked. You can just go to my sources. You can figure it out. Excellent. Well, they were attacked because it was a civil war and they were on opposite sides. So it's pretty straightforward, but.

24:26 Yeah. I mean, but if you need the deets. People also hear sounds coming from the woods around the property. Like, it sounds like there's a bunch of people out there camping or something. Like, they're talking, they hear movement, but, like, there's no place to camp. Like, it's not habitable in those woods. They're all overgrown. Like, Well, and I was going to say, like, it's a huge green space outside of the castle. Like when you see like kind of some of the zoomed out or like drone. Photos of it. Yeah. So, I mean, the woods are nearby. But yeah, I can't imagine that's. You're not camping there.

25:07 Yeah. No one's camping there. But they think it's like residual sounds of the soldiers who would have been attacking. They would have been camping there. They would have been camping outside there. I would camp there. No, you wouldn't. Yeah, I would. I would camp in the castle. Ew. I want to camp in the creepy woods. Yeah, that's fair. I don't know. What am I saying? They don't have wolves anymore in England. They don't? No. They've been extinct in England for hundreds of years. I had no idea. Yeah, I know. Aww. I found that out the other day and I was like, this is why you can't have nice things. No wolves for you. No wolves for you. Okay, so I have a weird one for you. I'll send it to you. Someone caught a ghost on Photograph.

25:57 A woman visited and took a photo in like one of the archways in the castle. She's in a pink dress. She's kind of just leaning against the wall with her hand. And then you can see. Like her hands on her hip, her elbows kind of pointed out. Do you see like the figure that her elbow is kind of pointing at? Yeah. So it looks like... Hold on. I'm zooming in. Yeah. Oh, I went too big. Oh, no. It too big. I went too big. Okay. Okay. It looks like an elderly person with a cane and glasses. I can't tell if it's a man or a woman. It looks like a man. It does. But like some older women have short hair. So I don't know. I can't really.

26:41 To me, in like the face, head area, it's sort of amorphous. I'm not really seeing like a specific hairdo. So... But based on the frame, that's what I'm going off of. I kind of thought it was too. She said she got home and looked at the photos and like was very shocked to see something in her photos because there was nobody around. Yeah. It's interesting. I don't, I'm curious what you guys think of it. I'm not sure. I don't, it wasn't like one of our listeners sent this to us. So I'm like a little more skeptical. Yeah. It looks a little too, I don't know, like placed. I, I'm a, I don't know. I'm a photographer, so I kind of feel like I can tell if something's a fake a little bit more than maybe the average person.

27:33 Yeah. It's funny because I was just thinking. I was like, I'm so curious to see what Chris thinks of it. Yeah, me too. He's going to say it's fake. The most interesting part to me is... the leg like there's kind of like a hole in the ground behind him and it looks like it's it's like when you're looking through water like the hole doesn't like line up so that's kind of like the most interesting part to me i don't know if that means i think it's baked or if that that makes me think it's more real. I don't know and i want to look at it on a bigger monitor yeah.

28:14 Yes. I want to put it on the TV out in the living room. Let's do it. Yeah. Let's totally zoom in. So I don't know. I can't tell. But it's obviously like if it is real, it's like a newer ghost, like a more modern person. It kind of seems. It doesn't seem like someone who would have like lived in the castle back in the day or anything. I don't know. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe because it's just like more modern. They kind of. Yeah, I know what you're saying. It's hard to put your finger on exactly like why, because it's so faint, too, is the thing. So I'm really interested to see it on a bigger screen.

28:56 Yeah, we'll have to see what Chris says and if he has anything to add. I'm so interested. On this blog we're looking at called Weird Wiltshire, there's an experience from a woman named Wendy, and I'm going to read it to you because it's kind of funny. Okay. So she says, when visiting Warder, I myself had something happen I just cannot explain. My husband and daughter had begun walking into the grotto. I leant forward to take a photo into one of the crevices, only to be grabbed on my left cheek. Of my backside by a hand. I had presumed this was my daughter as a joke, but she was very much standing to my right. and would have never had time to move so quickly to my reaction. I didn't feel unnerved at all. Actually, myself and my family laughed about it. And it's now become a story for my holiday to tell family and friends.

29:53 And now I really want to go there and get my butt grabbed by a ghost. Oh, my God. Gusty. Wow. Someone out there grabbing butts. Sir, this is a Wendy's. In a castle. Can you imagine? I mean, they have a McDonald's in the loop, so. Weird. I wouldn't agree with that. I mean, yeah. Did you go to it? Obviously. Oh my gosh. Well, it's not like they, you know, they don't just have, it's not like when you go to Mall of America or something, they've got a whole like huge food court or something. Yeah, but like, why would they have, like, wouldn't they have something better? Well, you would think.

30:38 But everybody all over the world like knows McDonald's. Unfortunately. Yeah. I don't even know where the Lerve is. Paris. I have no desire. I don't care. To what? To go to the Lerve. What even is it? A museum? It's a museum. That's where the Mona Lisa is. I don't need to see that bitch. I mean, you really don't. And she's small. She's shockingly small. I've seen a picture of it online. Yeah. No, honestly, if someone was taking me, like, I would totally go, but it's not, like, a destination I would, like, plan for myself, you know? Yeah. I get it. I thought that the Louvre was really awesome, to be honest, just because... I mean, we're not going for the Mona Lisa.

31:29 Right. We're going because there's a ton of incredible art there. And it's like, I mean, you could spend a whole day there and not like really get to everything and have. All the time. Kind of. Yeah. Kind of like that. For us dumb Americans. Is there like a big mascot of. The Lou? What's her name? The Mona Lisa? Is there like a big Mona Lisa mascot walking around you could take pictures of? I need to be more cultured. Maybe a tad. Completely up to you. And I'm the one bitching about the McDonald's. I know. I'm like. I'm getting sort of mixed messages from you on this.

32:09 I'm really good at that. You guys probably have noticed. If you listen to me long enough, I am full of. Contradictions. Contradictions. People contain multitudes. Yeah, honestly, actually... Rather than the McDonald's at the Louvre, I think what we should do is, like, we should tell Taylin to put in one of the pictures of the Mona Lisa where she has. A thing of McDonald's fries. Very incredible. That's funny. They should put fries for her eyebrows. I still have any. That's weird. The Mona Lisa is pretty interesting.

32:54 Yeah. It is. I'm being kind of silly, but it is interesting. I really like, like I learned about, I don't know if we talked about in school or if I just like watched a documentary on like why she has no eyebrows and like why she's smiling a little bit and like how that is. Not normal for the. Time yeah so there's a lot of really interesting background on it. And there's another place that they filmed in Practical Magic 2 and it's called the Red Cross Way it's in Southwark it's like a road just a road in London it's near the London Bridge on this road though there is can you guess something I always bring up in every episode if I can There's a graveyard. And it's called the Crossbones Graveyard. In the medieval times, there were sex workers around this area.

33:49 Well, there are sex workers everywhere. But in this area, they were called the Winchester Geese. Yeah, because they call women birds. Do they? Yeah. Oh. That's like a slate. I don't know that that's why. Y'all will burn. I don't know that. Yeah. Well, no one really knows why they were called geese, but it says here that it might possibly be because of the noises that they would make to attract men. Okay. Customers. I'm like, what are they out there like? I don't know.

34:31 Are they hissing? Yeah. That's my experience of what geese sound like. They're psycho. So I don't know. They're probably like loud and like trying to get attention. I guess. So I don't know. But I thought that was pretty funny. That's interesting. Yeah. But obviously this time a lot of people were just dropping dead left and right. Like the life expectancy wasn't good. It wasn't great. Yeah. There was shit going around everywhere. So the graveyard got full like pretty quick. So they were kind of just like mass. Yeah, mass graving it. Mass graving it until it got full. Cool. And then they shut it down and like paved over it basically.

35:13 Oh, cool. To like, you know, keep the city going, expanding, expanding. It was also a hot spot for body snatchers. And I'm like, why do they body snatch to sell for anatomy classes? It says there is thought to be like 1,500 people buried there. I feel like my instinct is to say it feels like it should be more. Right. But it is a very small area. Like it's not a massive area. So like that many people, I'm not like one. small area that's like crazy to me that is crazy so they were rediscovered in the 1900s when it was dug up to extend you know extend the town even further.

36:01 Over half of them were children that's a bummer which is sad yeah so i gather this is not an area that uh Has like super chill vibes. I came across like this as I'm looking at images of like the Red Cross way. I came across a blog and like the headline above like this old timey picture of these guys in their wool suits and stuff. Oh. It says the most undesirable reputation of any slum in London. Oh no. Yeah. So it seems like it may have been a rough.

36:42 I mean, I can imagine if there was a graveyard in town. Like, obviously, it's not going to be the best part of town, maybe. Now it's obviously a little bit better. Maybe a lot a bit better. I don't know for sure. But it is better than it used to be. It's not like that anymore. Yeah. But that quote, the most undesirable reputation of any slum in London, actually came from the South London Chronicle. Wow, like London even knows. London's like, trust me, girl, we know. They did turn it into like a garden of remembrance and they call them the outcast dead.

37:27 Like, you know, they didn't have headstones. They don't, they're not really... identified. Maybe some of them are, but not the majority of them. And I don't even know if they dug all of them up to like move them. It says they dug some of them up, but I don't know if they got them all. Well, how could they even know if they did? Right. Yeah. Gosh, especially if it was just a mass, like mass graves kill me. Yeah. Oh, it's so sad. Not, not a good time. But there is some, one more thing I wanted to read you. It's a poem. Okay, I'm just going to read this straight from the article I found it in. In 1996, local writer John Constable. Do you think he was a constable? Yeah.

38:10 I mean, if he wasn't, it sounds like he should have been. Oh, my gosh. Constable John Constable. Like, stop. You'd have to just call him Constable John. Right. So in 1996, local writer John Constable had a vision whilst writing Late at Night in which the goose, the spirit of a medieval sex worker, because they. Called them geese. Geese. She was the goose. The goose. Showed him to the site of crossbones, which he says he had never heard of before, and dictated. A poem to him. And I'm going to read this poem to you. Excellent. For tonight in hell, they are toiling the bell for the whore that lay at the tabard. And well, we know how the carrion crow.

39:01 Doth feast in our crossbones graveyard. Okay. Don't you just love that? Like, it gives me chills. Do I love that? It's a poem written by a ghost, a prostitute called The Goose. Like, this is amazing. I mean, it's pretty intense. It says the poem became the first of a series called The Southwark Mysteries that were then performed at the Globe and Southwark Cathedral. But I just really liked that. I thought that a poem written by a ghost was fucking awesome. Yeah. I mean, let's be honest. That's pretty cool. Yeah. And then the little remembrance garden that they have is pretty cute. I think they have like a skull, like they have creepy stuff, but like also like cute garden-y stuff.

39:45 I like it. Oh, see, this is nice. They've got like a nice like covered wooden path. That is nice. The sign, it has a skull and crossbones on it with like a COVID mask. And it says this is still the crossbones graveyard. I kind of dig that. So it's like, don't forget. Yeah. These kind of like forgotten people. And the burial place of Captain Hook. Oh, it's a different. That's a clickbait. I want to know where Captain Hook is buried. Is he real? I thought he was fake. Well, listen, I'm sure... Hook is actually a very common name, so there's got to have been.

40:28 A lot of hook handmen. Yeah. Getting their hands cut off for touching booties. it all circles back okay we'll look at the graveyard of captain hook later. Okay but that's all i have for you i just i it's not totally related to the pnw but it is because practical magic one was shot in the pacific northwest so i could talk about anything i want. Yeah listen if you're just now figuring that out. Should we do some tarot? I thought we could use the modern witch deck. Yeah, I was just about to ask, like, which you want. Okay.

41:09 Oh, boy. Oh, no. Oh, I've really done it now. Oh, jeez. Oh, boo. My bridge collapsed. London Bridge be falling down. Oh, no. Is that offensive? I was thinking, like, I don't know. Did that actually happen? And did like a bunch of people die and we're just like singing songs about London bridges falling down? London, London, London. Famously Fergie. Very sensitive. Right. Yes. Historical versions of London Bridge did suffer partial collapses, were burnt down or got intentionally pulled down over the centuries.

41:53 though it never completely vanished into the river all at once. Viking attack in the year 1014. Medieval collapses 1281 and 1437. This is insane. I'll read this next part to you. Dude, this is wild. This is why we do this podcast, is to figure out weird shit. Weird facts. Questions we didn't even know we had until somebody sat us in front of a microphone. And by somebody, I mean we. Yeah. The royal we. The royal we-we. Prince Albert. The 1831 stone-arched bridge.

42:38 Began sinking under heavy modern traffic, and was dismantled in 1968. It was famously sold to an American businessman and reconstructed piece by piece in Lake Havasu City, arizona weird that would literally be the only reason other than visiting my cousin that i would randomly visit arizona. Oh to see like where the london bridge was built london. Bridge that's crazy that america saved london i know just saying listen we save their asses in ww2 okay right because i knew that totally I've seen Pearl Harbor.

43:31 Okay, we're doing tarot. All right. I know, like, I'm probably going to leave all this stuff about the bridge in because it's interesting. Okay. But now we're doing tarot. Okay. Okay. Okay, I'm going to pick a card. Do you have any guidance you need to give me? I feel like in the neighborhood of, like, right in front of your glass. Where my hands are right now. Yeah. That's where I was feeling too. Okay. I think it's this one. Oh my gosh. We got the devil. Oh. Which I think is interesting because it's witches. You know, they think that they're evil. They're the devil. Right. Right. I don't think they are, but some people do.

44:13 We don't. Also in the movies, obviously we haven't seen the second one yet, but in the first one, she's like possessed by the ex guy. Okay. And then also listen to the keywords and tell me that this doesn't sound like PM1. Keywords are obsession, indulgence, fear, materialism, and egotism. Oh God, the obsession though. The obsession. Just stay up all night worshiping each other. I think of the devil as the obsession card. Many decks picture a medieval Christian-type devil, complete with horns, hooves, a hairy tail, and a pitchfork. The Rider-Waite-Smith deck shows two small human-like figures at the devil's feet, one male and one female, with chains around their necks that represent bondage to the material realm.

45:07 Ooh! You know what's interesting? So we decided to use the modern witch deck and it's all female figures. So it's two female figures, the sisters. In front of like the devil, the bad guy. That is so interesting. Yeah. Okay, and I already read about blah, blah, blah. Notice the chains are loose, though, and the people could easily slip them off, suggesting this card is about self-imposed limitations. Well, they brought a dead guy back to life. I mean, they kind of brought that whole thing down on that. I hate to victim blame, but. Okay, so the extra excerpt before, and we're in the upright, correct?

45:50 Yeah, it was in the upright. Cool, okay. The horned god. The horny god. The horny god. The devil appears to be one of the more alarming cards of the major arcana. However, he does not represent satanic forces or evil. Neither do witches. That's right. That goatish guy is paganism's horned god Pan, connected to the fertility rites banned by the Christian church. Boo. Boo. Boo. Therefore, his appearance can indicate a sexual component to your question or concern. I mean, there was a sexual component to that movie for sure.

46:33 In the thoth thought, whatever we decided it was. I know, we figured it out and now we can't remember. Yeah. The devil is clearly phallic. When the devil shows up in a reading, he recommends re-evaluating your relationship to people and material things that keep you chained. It's time to let go of old fears, hangups, inhibitions, and ways you manipulate others to satisfy your needs. Interesting. Or like bring people back to life to satisfy your need to like not have murdered somebody. There's another extra excerpt and I'm going to actually pee my pants. Okay.

47:13 In a reading about money, this card can advise you to confront fears about financial security, social status, and material success. Are you too attached to money and material things? Are you taking advantage of others for personal gain? Are you selling your soul to the devil in order to profit? If the reading is about your work, the devil may indicate you're chained to your job and neglecting other areas of life. Perhaps you're a workaholic or crave the status your position gives you. Ooh, that's interesting because in the movie, like Sally... didn't want to be a witch you just want to be like normal in the community that's kind of what that reminds me.

47:56 Of okay and then um you know the whole uh the the murdering and then the bringing of the back to life yeah um this card warns against engaging in questionable practices to get ahead okay shut the front door in a reading about love the devil asks Is an abusive, obsessive, or harmful relationship adversely affecting your life? Is it? I'd say. Is it? Sexual desire may cause you to overlook character flaws in a partner. Uh-huh, that was a huge part of it. Self-inflicted bondage is preventing you from moving ahead.

48:38 Oh my gosh. Okay, and this. The Beast. is always the dark face of the handsome prince. Ooh. Jimmy Angel. I'm very excited to see the second one and see where it goes. Me too. And if there's any of the same themes in it that there was in the first one, I'm not sure. Yeah. I mean, I feel like without having seen it yet, all we can do is pick up vibes from the first one. From the original. I like where we landed. I loved that we got the devil card. That was absolutely perfect. I'm curious what.

49:19 the little interpretation book for the modern witch says. Unhealthy habits and desires can consume and control us. The devil has tempted and captured us with their false promises of wealth, power, and pleasure. The upside down pinnacle, symbol of dark magic... Remember that they had to like paint the pentacle or the pentagram or whatever on his chest. They did it in whipped cream. They used a can of whipped cream and they had to like do the star on his chest. Oh my God. The upside down pinnacle, a symbol of dark magic adorns their forehead. They raise one hand in the assurance of knowledge and the other hand holds a torch pointing at the earth and all physical things. We are blind to our chains. The devil has skillfully misled us into their intoxicating realm.

50:15 Intoxicating. That was a huge part of the movie with the bottle of booze that he drank that like showed up on the doorstep that got them to do the midnight margaritas. I'm just saying we're witches. Money, sex, power, status, pleasure. Pleasure. I didn't like the passages. You've become obsessed with the superficial and fleeting desires and it's led you down an unhealthy path. You might feel guilt and shame as you let these impulses control you and you might hurt yourself and those around you through your selfishness. Face the hard truth. Take the steps necessary to break your chains and seek help if you need to.

51:01 Which like the first one, she was possessed and like needed the whole coven of the women in town to come and help break her out of it. If you haven't seen the first movie and you don't know what we're talking about. That sucks for you. Yeah you you done fucked up yeah ron. Because like really this doesn't have much to do with the i didn't really relate it to the topics we talked about like the places we talked about in the episode but definitely heavily to the first. Practical magic movie to the franchise itself. And to be fair, that's really what I was thinking about when I was shuffling. So that's the vibe that picked up. I'm sure this could relate, though, to like all the war things.

51:49 Oh my gosh. Things that we had talked about in the episode. Yeah. Well, someone getting stir crazy. She is. Everyone go see Practical Magic. Go see it! Or else! We're sponsored. No, I'm just kidding. Oh my gosh. We'll do an update when we see it and let you guys know how we felt. And have a creepy ass day. We'll see you next Thursday. Don't get too drunk on those midnight margaritas. Well, try as you might. People also hear sounds of coming. What? I don't know.

52:32 That was a mouth mistake I made. Maybe they do.