Rooted in History: Unearthing Lone Fir Cemetery's Haunting Past

0:00 While normally that's not my favorite, I do feel like that is an improvement over the screaming. Yeah, the screaming is hard. That makes me sad. Screaming dead lady is not my fave. But it could be like, you know, like a dimension like time slip kind of thing where she thinks you're the fucking ghost. And she's like, "Oh, fucking ghost!" and screams. Like, maybe she's not in pain or anything. She's just scared, too. That's perfectly reasonable explanation. That makes me feel better about it. No. I'm glad that that helps you. Hi, Caitlyn. Hi, Cassie. Hi, creepy people.

0:42 If you're new to our creepy little corner of the world, this is P-N-W-Honks and Homicides, where we chat about true crime, the paranormal, and anything spooky, cookie, weird, and creepy in the Pacific Northwest. Yes, and sometimes we very individually over-pronounce specific letters, because we don't want there to be any confusion. I just don't want to slur my words already. I know she's had like three whole sips of wine, so we got to be careful. Yeah. We also do a tarot reading at the end of every episode for a little bit of deeper insight into our topic for the day, so make sure you stick around if you're into that, which obviously at this point you should be. You will be, or converting you. We're trying. We've got a really cute alter today. We do. Super special and cute, but we won't tell you what it is yet. We're going to wait.

1:47 Oh, okay. You don't think I can tell? Well, I mean, but they're listening right now. Oh, right. They might not know yet. Oh, you guys can't see it. We can't see it yet. Welcome to my autobiography, line one. Hi, my name is Cassie, and I'm a fucking tree hugger from Portland, Oregon. I mean, that's true. That's the truest thing you've said so far today. I wrote ha ha after that in my note in case you didn't laugh. Okay. So I would remember that it was supposed to be funny. And then you would just giggle to yourself and be like, "Ha ha, fuck you."

2:27 So I wrote that because I'm starting this episode off by nerding out on trees. Dindrafelia. Is that what it's called? Well, okay, listen, I don't know. Hold on. Is that like boning a tree, though? I say, yeah, well, that's why I didn't want to. I think so. I maybe don't want to do that. Yeah, I don't know that it means that you're actually having sex with the tree. Let's we're going to find out together. Literally means love of trees. So the term may sometimes refer to a parapheria in which people are sexually attracted or sexually aroused by trees. So it may or may not involve sexual contact or penetration. I mean, you know how I feel about wood. I feel like you've made your thoughts very clear. I would never want to make love to a tree unless I had the tree's consent. I feel like that's a little bit harder to get the trees consent. Yeah, yeah, I feel like that could be a real sticking point. Yeah, but you know, people do talk to trees. So maybe someday we'll see. I'll keep you guys updated. Yeah.

3:43 Caitlin, do you know what a heritage tree is? Is that where people keep their family log books? No, they are officially placked up trees that are preserved due to their unique size, age, historical or horticultural significance. Horticultural. I said that word right the first time I just want everybody to know. I'm very proud of that. As of about a year ago, there are 328 heritage trees in Portland, representing 134 different tree species.

4:32 Species species. Species. That number may be a little different now since they do add new trees every year. And some of the heritage trees were destroyed by the quote extreme weather events of 2022. Oh, no, which I was like, do we have extreme weather? I don't remember. Yeah, no, we the last couple of winters. We've had a ton of falling and/or otherwise damaged trees. Yeah. Do you remember when you drove up here shortly after the big snow storm? I remember like this year, but I don't remember two years ago. It's been like that like every year since basically 2020. I just want to head and walked everything out. Oh, I mean, it's the strongest policy. It's that that's what keeps you safe.

5:22 That's what helps you sleep at night. Does it? It's not working. I mean, it doesn't work for me. Anyway, about trees. It's a lot of fucking trees. It is a lot of trees. Yes. And why are we talking about trees today? I don't know. Is it going to be a ghost tree? Is it going to be a true crime? About a tree, fucker? Maybe. We'll see where this is headed. Well, one of Portland's oldest and still used cemeteries is also an arboretum located in the southeast. It is Portland's second largest arboretum behind Hoiitt, which is Yiu. It's Yiu. So big.

6:11 It is also listed on the National Register of Historic Places. Okay. Yeah. There are more than 700 trees of 67 species on just over 30 acres of the cemetery. Wow. Yeah. It's big. That's so many trees. And it's in the city. So two of these 700 trees are heritage trees. But one of them is extra special because the cemetery/arboretum was lovingly named Lone Fir in 1866 after the Douglas Fir.

6:54 The heritage tree that's there. Well, there's like three of them there, but that's the one that's named doctor. Okay. Which was the only tree in sight. Get it? Lone. Lone Fir. Who's the only one? I was like, that's she means something. I'm not getting it. I'm not getting it. Clearly she means something beyond this. No, no. Okay. There's just one. I got it. One tree. It's a single. Yes. And you're probably thinking, yeah, but didn't you just say there's a fuck ton of trees here? Yeah. I think that's where I got lost. Yes, I did. Couldn't see the forest for the trees.

7:36 Through the tree. The one tree. Yeah. But the arboretum grew in kind of the same way that the cemetery did. I don't know. So we're going to go on a little journey. Okay. In 1846, Emore, it's E-M-M-O-R. Emore. Emore. Emore. Emore Stephens was buried on his son's family farm when the farm was sold to Colburn Barrel in 1854. He made a promise to maintain Emore's final resting place. Okay. He kept his word, but under some unfortunate circumstances. In the same year, he purchased the land.

8:19 Two of Colburn's friends were among 24 passengers that passed away in a steamship explosion. Yeah. Oh god. That's got to be one of the most terrific ways to die. I imagine I'm not going to look into that. Yeah, I didn't like go deep into what happened. You'll have to do that on your own time, but it was a big deal. Yeah. He turned 10 acres of his land into a cemetery for the burial of his friends, and I believe some of the other passengers as well. Oh. Yeah. Even naming it Mount Crawford after one of them Crawford Dobbins. These names. I know. Colburn, what was this barrel? Crawford Dobbins are Dobbins, but I think it's Dobbins. Yeah. Wow. Mount Crawford grew to 30 acres by 1866, and was named Lone Fir Cemetery by Colburn's wife Aurelia, AURELIA. Yeah. I would say Aurelia.

9:26 Aurelia. Yeah. And there are now 25,000 people and counting laid to rest here. That's so many. Kind of a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Just right in the city. Cool. So just like the lone man, Emore Stephens, that started at all with time, the lone fur was joined by more and more trees buried in the soil of the cemetery. Okay. That's fine. The trees are good. Or are they? Is this like a happening sort of a scenario? I don't know. You have to wait and find out. Emore's son James and his wife Elizabeth are also buried here with a rather unique headstone. Oh. That I meant to pull up before this, but I forgot. Why do I feel like I'm not going to like this? Okay. Let me get the close up. Why?

10:24 It's very sweet. Oh, I'm sure I'll like it much better close up. It's very sweet. Said no one ever. So it is a gravestone with two people carved into it. It's creepy, but it's also very sweet. They just wanted to be remembered together forever. I mean, I sincerely doubt I will ever forget that. It's very haunting looking. Yes. Yeah. Very haunting, haunted, all of the above. On this very unique haunting gravestone is an inscription that everyone is kind of obsessed with.

11:16 Okay. So it says, here we lie by consent after 57 years, two months and two days, so journey through life awaiting nature's immutable laws to return us back to the elements of the universe of which we were first composed. Okay. I think that's beautiful. And normally this is a word I like, but the consent part that I don't know why that's concerning me. That was confusing to me too. Are there unconsenting graves of people in the... It's funny you say that.

11:57 I know. At the time their headstone is put up. I don't think so. I don't think that's why they put it on there. But that's interesting. Yeah. So I don't know what the consent thing is all about. Maybe it's just like like we wanted to end up here together. I mean, yeah, but like consent is depending on the context to me that just says like, okay, sure. I need like we enthusiastically consent. We should change the inscription to enthusiastic consent. I'm really stressed out. But James passed away two years after his wife and during that time it is said that he would visit their shared burial plot and imagine holding Elizabeth's warm loving hand again. So he... I don't know if the statues of them were there at the time. Yeah, I guess that's an interesting point. I'm like, why do we have to use like these words that it's like they did like a madlibs of words that would just make me upset? Why do we have to describe her hand specifically as warm? I mean, I put that in there. He didn't put that in there. Oh my god. I will. He doesn't know why that's creeping me out so much.

13:23 And now my toes are cold. I put it like that because I I didn't want anyone to think he was imagining holding her past away. Hold hands. Yeah. Yeah. He was remembering her as she was living. Okay. But he did specifically say he imagined holding her hand again. So fucking sweet. God damn it. God, Frisk, why don't you ever tell me that you imagined holding my cold dead hand. Maybe after today, he will. Yeah. My hands are always cold. So we're going to go on and talk about some of the other people who are buried here. Harriet “Hatti" Redmond is laid to rest at Lone Fir. She was a leader in the community being involved in the Colored Woman's Council and the Women's Suffrage Campaigns, which were successful. And had he registered to vote in 1912. Good for her. Yeah. And I did read that she put her occupation down as hairdresser and I just thought that was so fucking cute. It was really cute.

14:25 Adam “Gus" Waterford, Portland's first African American firefighter. Stop it. Yeah. And he has water in his name. Right. I mean, I know, which is kind of a theme throughout this happens again, which is weird. It's not fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, fire, something else but still cool. But he was originally buried in an unmarked grave, which sadly, kind of a theme around here. More on that later. But in 2015, the students of Madison High School and the Portland Fire Department got a proper marker for Gus. Okay. How I'm sorry in what year? 2015.

15:13 Cool. Just like casually decades and decades later. Yeah. I didn't write down the specific date who was buried, but it was not close to 2015. I'll tell you that. It's correct. I have to imagine. Cool. Ada Smith, who was six when she died in 1885. Oh, she has a beautiful angel statue on her head stone. And at some point, the angel was stolen. Dick. I know. But it was later found in an abandoned warehouse in his sense been restored and returned to Ada. You stole the angel and just like left it somewhere else. Right. I know. I don't know like what they plan to do with that or what and maybe they just wanted to be Dick's and still a fucking six year old angel headstone. Like who are you? I, you know, she was six years old and died and that alone is sad enough. Yeah. Wow. Just, just trash. But thankfully, it's back with her now. So the Macleay family has a gorgeous mausoleum. In the 1880s, Donald Macleay was a well known investor, real estate developer and president of the board of trade in Portland. And if the name is sounding really familiar to you, that's because

16:43 the witch's castle, which we did an episode on, is located in Macleay Park. Okay. Which was named after him. Okay. All right. I thought, I thought maybe I was like, hmm, somewhere in my little lizard brain. I was something was yeah, wiggling. Big famous Portland family with a big famous Portland mausoleum. That calls. Next, we're going to move on to Julius Caesar. This was not his given name. But he don't say yeah, no, but he was born and enslaved person and had the name of the family that enslaved him. So understandably as a free man, he decided he needed a new name and he loved reciting Shakespeare. Okay. Yeah. All right. I kind of love that. It's not so fucking cute. Yeah.

17:41 We're bringing back Shakespeare again. Oh, yeah. Cause yeah, you guys Shakespeare was so out before. But we're bringing him back. I really meant just because we just talked about this with the park. No, but I just really wanted to envision that people were thinking like Shakespeare is so out. Yeah. Who's he? Yo. He was also a huge sports fan in the phrase play ball being among his favorite was actually coined by him. What? Apparently that's what this article says and he was actually featured in Ripley's Believe It Or Not. Oh, yeah. Wow. So a local friend he'd made during his lifetime purchased him a headstone and it has that very phrase engraved on it. Play ball. Yeah. Isn't that so fucking all of this is so cute. It's really cute. Unfortunately though, they misspelled Caesar on his gravestone. Well, which you know, it's a hard word. The A and the E or you know, well backwards. It's fine. But the thought was there. Just like one of the most famous figures in all of history, but yeah. Yeah. So thought that counts. Play ball. Caesar ball. What are you going to have engraved on my headstone? Oh, no, I knocked that over.

19:17 I feel like given time, I could come up with something better, but I was thinking about this actually, well, all the time because it's I do. That's just where we are. Yeah. That's who I am. I was going to say probably would say, but I dig right. Yeah. That too. That's a good one too. You can have a double-sided. Yeah. Put both on there. Oh, see, that's very own brand. You're like, she had a lot to say. Yeah. Yeah. You're just going to be filled. Mine's just going to say, I'm home.

19:59 Mine's going to have stuff that I like half. Change my mind. Half thoughts. Yeah. We have like little carrots like inserting other things I forgot. That's going to be the best. Oh, don't die anytime soon. Okay. I wasn't planning on it. Now we have some fun boozy things here. Oh, James Frush. Froosh. Froosh like fruit, Froosh. Froosh. I like Froosh. I like Froosh. He's Froosh now. James, we love your last name. I'm sorry if I'm mispronouncing it, but you're Froosh. Yeah. I'm going to get me some Froosh. There is a marble earn at his grave, one that actually sat on the bar where he worked as a bartender. Okay. Well, you know I love that. You know how I feel about marble. Yes. It's very pretty. And during the holidays, it was filled with a drink called Tom and Jerry. A Tom and Jerry is a traditional Christmas time cocktail in the United States. It says sometimes attributed to British writer and professional boxing journalist Pierce Egan. Okay. I don't think I've heard of this. What is in it? Do we know? Well, I'll tell you.

21:17 Okay. It is a variant of eggnog with brandy and rum added and served hot. Yeah, that's usually in a mug or a bowl. Okay. Well, apparently they filled this marble earn, which like why do they have an earn filled with booze? Listen, it was an earn, but I was still on board. And where we part ways is the ingredients of this cocktail. I hate eggnog. That is disgusting. Yeah. Does eggnog, hard eggnog, isn't that like what that is? Oh, it's served hot. So I guess that's a little different. Yeah. I know. It sounds disgusting. Served hot. Serving it in a mug or a bowl. A bowl? You know what, I was picturing people just like coming under the earn and like I don't know how they got it out of the earn. No, probably they probably had like a ladle or something. Yeah, like a punch. And then they heated it up, but I'm picturing like already hot people having their mouths under like a drain and like draining the Tom and Jerry into their mouths. The hot eggnog. I really, I'm deeply uncomfortable with either of those scenarios and I just know. Well, now I should have made us a friggin Tom and Jerry for today. I'm really glad that you didn't. They have eggnog in February, right? You know, actually I have some in my fridge. Oh, I'm sure it's totally still good. Just kidding. I don't

22:51 don't get eggnog. I hate eggnog. Chris likes eggnog. I know. I find that it's honestly his most upsetting character flaw. So the saloon where this all happened was actually owned by Colburn Barrel himself. Okay. So after James died, they moved the earned his grave, but they would bring it back during the holidays to the bar and fill it with Tom and Jerry again to honor him. And I really hope that they cleaned it. I don't think anybody was drinking out of that. I think this was one of those like kind of poor went out for my whole day. Yeah, like an offering type of thing. Yeah, that makes sense. Okay. What I'm going to go with. Yeah. Well, we should go and bring him a Tom and Jerry. I don't do you think people are still like is someone still doing that?

23:44 I don't I don't think they they definitely don't take it anymore to fill it. And I don't think you could just like leave eggnog sitting out at someone's grave because like animals might get into it. Well, you know, squirrels are, you know, they're wily. Maybe, you know, yeah, they need a stiff drink. But I don't want to make a sick like when it goes bad. No, I don't like it. And you're not supposed to dump like milk on grass or anything. So I really don't know where we would put it. Maybe we just inject it right into the ground. What what is milk to grass? It can like kill the plants or it like grows. No, it grows a fungus on it that is harmful to like the animal. I don't like it. You ready for the next boozy themed grass please. Is this one to have tequila? No. Okay. But the bottler brothers have a pretty big monument. They were some of Portland's first brewers. Okay. Bottleer brothers. Yes.

24:48 Okay. And I'm like, is it bottler or bottler because it's B-O-T-T-L-E-R. It looks like bottler. Bottler to me. Yeah. And I wrote bottler really? So did they choose this path or did the path choose them? That's a really good question. Yeah. Who knows? Their monument is in desperate need of restoration. It's kind of all blocked off. The roofs kind of caving in. But I have no doubt that Portlandians will show up for this pair of brewers. Brewer brothers. Brewer brothers. Yeah. The bottler brewer brothers. Yes. I believe they're raising funds to to get it all fixed up. So that would be cool. Okay. We're moving on.

25:32 Andrew Johnston and Sarah Francis Wisdom. They were former enslaved people who were self emancipated. Okay. In the 1840s, they made a home from them from themselves. They did not make a whole lot of themselves. It's a real edgene vibe there. It's a real gingerbread house. None of it's good. Oh, like that. Do you think about that? That gingerbread men live in a gingerbread house? No. Made out of the bodies of gingerbread? No. No. No. I'm not going to start now. Oh, anyway. It's February and you ruined next Christmas. With the gross egg, no, I'm a gingerbread. Oh my god. Yeah. Wow. Okay. In the 1840s, they made a home for themselves in Portland, ignoring Oregon's black exclusion law. I was wondering which we heard about in one of Caitlyn's cases. I can't remember which one. Probably a couple of them, but Alonzo Tucker. Yes.

26:41 Yeah. Alonzo. I know. They owned the first African American restaurant in Oregon called R&D. Wow. Yeah. Isn't that so cool? I can love all of this. Yeah. There is an unmarked Celtic Cross. Cemetery Records show. It was the grave of Alice Oberle, who was a fancy house sex worker. I like it. They called it a fancy house. Yeah. Like a brothel. She's a fancy, she's a fancy sex worker. Like an upscale. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No one really knows for sure, but the story is that the Celtic Cross was donated by her clientele. Okay. Well, yeah. It doesn't get a whole lot fancier than that. Yeah. She was a popular one. This Alice O'Burrow. Good for you, Alice.

27:35 But her sister, on the other hand, was not a fan of any of that lifestyle. Anything. The donation from the clientele, not a fan. So she had Alice moved to Mount Calvary Catholic Cemetery. Oh boy. That is mouthful. And her information was erased from the magnificent Marvel monument. Not cool. Not cool. Alice's sister. I bet. Dude, I bet Alice was like pretty pissed on the other side. I'm gonna haunt you until you die. Like those were her life choices. And I mean, I don't know. She was okay with them, but it seemed like it. There was there was actually a bunch of information on her, but I didn't obviously didn't include it. Like I don't need you judging me. I'm dead. Yeah.

28:26 But you know, so anyway, I thought it was rude, but who knows who Alice was thinking, but her sister had a stick up her butt. Okay. Anyway. Kind of a C-U-next Tuesday. Sorry, Alice's sister, if you're listening. So the next person we're going to talk about is Emma Merlotin. M-E-R-L-O-T-I-N. Merlotton. Maybe? But she went by Anne Jeanne Tingry Le Coz. Le Coz. I think it's French. It's a very long- Oh, Tingry. Did I say it? Tingry? Tingry. Tingry? But Tingry sounded better.

29:14 Huh? T-I-N-G-R-Y. I just feel like that's a whole lot of names that are not yours. Anne Jeanne Tingry Le Coz. How's the last one, Sam? L-E C-O-Z. It's like two words. Like, Le Coz. Yeah, I don't know. A lot of the articles had different variations of the same, which is the long name. So. I know fair. But this is how it's listed on findagrave.com so I chose that version. So she was also a Portland sex worker, and by all accounts was a very sweet person who helped out in the community a lot. The sucks. And these next couple, like, let me know if we need to cut anything out. If it like steps on any of your true crime toes. Oh, okay. So just let me know, but I didn't go in debt because I don't want to. Yeah, because you're like just you. I'm like skimming, skimming, skimming. Okay. No, thank you, please. It was awful. So she was maliciously murdered with a hatchet at the age of 33. Yeah. It was brutal. I did skim it, but it was brutal. Yikes. Yeah.

30:37 And this next part is slightly disturbing, but no, it's a lot disturbing. I don't know why I wrote slightly. You're like, this is fine. It's okay. You're okay. You're doing great. I mean, they were trying. We'll talk about it. Okay. This is one I've actually kind of heard of before. I don't know if they did this with another person or what, but I never heard it connected to Portland in this way. At the time, it was thought that the last image a person saw could possibly be captured in their eyeballs. So they removed one of her eyes to see if they could see who killed her. Yeah. And did that work?

31:18 It unfortunately did not work. Yeah. But I mean, you don't know when to try, right? Yeah, but I feel like we've heard this echoed through various aspects of history. Like how many eyeballs do we have to remove before we say like, I don't think that works. Yeah. And I definitely didn't like look up context. I don't know if it had happened before or if they were still trying it or what. I didn't dig deep because that's not what this is about. Yeah. And also because I don't want to. I have a lot of thoughts and feelings about eyeball stuff. Okay. Yeah. No, at least they, you know, they only did one. They didn't try both of them. I guess I just kind of I almost don't know if it's better or worse.

32:08 I hate it. And I don't know who knows like what her stance on it would be like, hey, like if it could possibly help catch my killer. Like go ahead and try. But you know, the consent probably wasn't there. So who knows. So have you heard of charity lamb? Yes. Yes. Okay. I just have like a little paragraph. But if anything is in here, I need to cut out. Let me know. Okay. Oh, no. So charity lamb was the first woman to be convicted of murder in Oregon. And I'm not going to say what she did. We're just going to leave it up to someone else later. And was sentenced to a lifetime of heart labor in 1854. Later, the lifetimes were shorter. Yeah. Yeah. Later, she was transferred. Well, I know there's a lot of like nuance in this story. Yeah. Later, she was transferred to the Oregon insane hospital and actually died there in 1879. And then she was buried in the loan for cemetery.

33:16 She's there. She is there. Okay. I would like to say there. I'm not 100% if she had a grave marker or not. Okay. I thought you were going to say they moved her. And I was like, there's a lot of unknowns with this cemetery. Because to go to their resting place, thinking that it's final. Yeah. You know, in 1955, they built a Multnomah County office, The Morrison Building, right on top of this area where she was buried. So this makes me think she did not have a marker. Along with many others from the hospital and other places we'll talk about in a minute. In 2004, the area was excavated and evidence of human remains were found under the building. Yeah. No shit. So they had it demolished and returned back to the cemetery. And I was really just wondering like what kind of haunted shenanigans was happening in that fucking building. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? It's funny that you say crazy specifically because these are people that were literally in an asylum. Yeah. Where if they weren't

34:48 already crazy, like actually for real, living in one of those in an old, tiny era, that would do it. It's not great. It's not great. No, no, this is great. And there's a lot more to it. So do you remember how I said there was kind of like a theme of unmarked graves in the cemetery? This includes 132 to 185. We're not really sure. Patients from the asylum. Many families did not come to claim the bodies of their deceased family members. And the head of the hospital, Dr. Hawthorne, which might sound familiar. It does. Why? I'll tell you.

35:32 He ended up paying to have these people buried at the cemetery, which was obviously an expense. Yeah. And to keep things kind of on the cheaper side and more simple, he just had them buried. It's some of some people say they were mass burials. Yeah. Like a mass grave. Some people say there was just no no markers or anything. But it's debated on whether this was a nice thing or not because otherwise where were they going to be buried, you know? Yeah. So some people say he was actually a great doctor and had a lot of sympathy and his practices. Obviously we know the things that happened in the silums weren't great. No. But maybe there were some people out there trying, you know, it's up in there. I didn't dig too deep into it. Right. And anything is possible. So but either way, Dr. Hawthorne also resides in Lone Fir. Great. So if he did anything naughty, he has some friends there to help him out with that. And that means he has a beautiful monument.

36:46 And if that name sounds familiar, Hawthorne Boulevard was named after him and that's actually where the hospital was located, which is now it's torn down. But yeah. I was going to say weird because I don't recall ever seeing it. Yeah. It's not there no more. Yeah. Actually no one really knows where all of these people were buried. It's speculated that they're in or around block 14, which is a whole other ass can of worms were going to open in a minute. Yeah. The graves may have had markers, but they were probably wooden. And so they've either brought it or like burned away. So it's possible they were buried, you know, with little wooden markers, but those don't last. Yeah. So I didn't write the year. It was a long time ago though that Oregonian had an article describing dense rows of asylum burials to the east of block 14, where the cemetery parking lot is now.

37:51 Do you know what song I'm thinking of? No. What do you think? Come on. Pave the parking lot. Pave the paradise. Yeah. With the parking lot. You know. You know. Yeah. You know. Okay. Yeah. So it's possible that there are still people under the parking lot there today. Yeah. Yes. No, thank you. But it does make me think that maybe there was like those wooden markers because in the in the article they're describing seeing rows of burials. So I don't I don't know if they're just seeing like mountains or I don't know. I don't know. But so we're going to talk about block 14.

38:35 Block 14 was the Chinese slash Chinese American section of the cemetery. Yes, they disgustingly were separated from everyone else. Yeah. And they they might have been, you know, intermingled with the asylum patients too. It was pretty much anyone who couldn't really pay for a proper burial. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah. Let's go ahead and most segregate all of these disgusting boards. Yeah. Yeah. It'll grate. Yeah. Um, gross. Yeah. It's like it was a time. It was a time. Most of these people were railroad workers and people who built the foundation of the city pretty much an estimated 1100 to 2800 again. It's not clear. Immigrants were buried here. And 265 of those bodies were moved back home for proper burial, which is great.

39:47 But only 265 of them. Yeah. So awesome. It's awesome. They were trying to do something good. I mean, were they or were they're just 265 families that actually advocated for their loved ones? Yeah. I don't know. And it was so long ago, like who knows how many of their family members know about them? Yeah. Like we're still around. But it's getting better. Are you sure it is getting better? It's where it was getting worse. It's getting better now. It's like, it's looking up. This section was part of what I talked about earlier that was paved over and the office was built.

40:33 But since everything has been torn down and returned back to the cemetery, plans are underway for a cultural heritage and healing garden to honor. I'm going to cry. Don't look at me like that. I wasn't going to cry. And I looked at you. Okay. Yeah. So I got to say again, plans are underway for a cultural heritage and healing garden to honor Chinese immigrants. That's cool. Like I'm fucking built our city. Yeah. Like we're living on shit that someone else built and they were just treated like garbage. Yeah. So like I guess if you're like into any of that stuff, like whatever.

41:16 But they're also going to honor the patients of the mental hospital as well. Since there's so many that we just like don't know. We don't know what's under there. Kind of damn it. Caitlyn, you're the one without feelings. I know. Well, I obviously caught them from you. God damn it. This is a quote from Oregon Metro, who has been charged of taking care of the cemetery. The memorial will be shaped by input from the community and funded through voter approved 2019 parks and bond. The memorial is expected to be completed by the end of 2026.

42:01 So that's taken a little while. It always does. This all kind of started like the petitions for this and everything started in like 2008. And it just passed in 2019. It's going to be finished in 2026. Yeah. Fingers crossed. That seems like actually like incredibly fast. The quote goes on to say racial equity is the core of the bond measure. It prioritizes outcomes that benefit people of color, Indigenous people, people with low incomes, people with varying abilities and other historically marginalized groups, who have not benefited equitably from past investments. The bond measure also prioritizes work to make the region more resilient to climate change, which is that's great too. I thought that in there too.

42:53 I also didn't mention this earlier. I wasn't sure like where kind of to fit it in with the story because it had a certain flow. But many bodies from older cemeteries in Portland had to be transferred too long for due to the marshy earth. So I don't know if you remember any stories of Portland where it was like, "Floody and like bodies were kind of... it's a bit safe." Rising back up. Yeah. There's a lot of riverage in the city. So yeah. Yeah. This land is a little more stable. So they do have a lot of people who have been moved from other cemeteries.

43:38 I'm really glad that I haven't eaten yet today. Is this place haunted? Probably. Is that a serious question? Probably from all of the shit that I just told you, all the displacements, all of the unmarked craves, all of the stolen angel statues. Just the what the fuck of it all? A lot of things. A lot of things. Most describe seeing kind of misty figures walking across the cemetery during the daytime as well as after dark. Oh cool. Some people say they see a younger woman wearing a red dress who is just kind of like walking around the grounds. She doesn't seem to be angry or in pain or anything. She's just kind of walking around but kind of like oblivious to other people. Just casual. Yeah. Okay. A lot of other people say that they see a shadowy woman dressed in French clothing. Walking around the cemetery. Like a mage uniform or not like a mage.

44:51 What makes it French? Like French dresses like that French fashion. Okay. Of the times, you know, back in the way that day's okay. Period clothing. Yes. Is that like period panties? No. Oh, like period of time. I didn't like it like an era. It's a red dress. Maybe it is a period dress. Oh no, that was the other way. Is this the woman? Wait. Where did I get red dress from? Did I say that? You did. When? I mean, was that not a part of the story? Oh, it was the first one. Okay. Okay. I was like, you definitely said it. Sorry. Yeah. That was the first figure. I don't know if they're the same or not.

45:38 First ones have the red dress. It's choosing to make them one in the same. Anyway, it could be the same woman who knows. But this woman in the French dress or French fashion. I assume it's a dress. I would think so. Okay. Because like, people weren't women weren't wearing pants back then. I know. Depending on like specifically when. Yeah. It was illegal at points in certain parts of the world for women to wear pants. So fucking weird. I could dress as a safe pattern. Yeah. Yeah. Probably a dress. Yeah. Well, when this woman is approached, she like throws her hands up and screams.

46:21 And then she does her favorite thing. She disappears. I feel like while normally that's not my favorite, I do feel like that is an improvement over the screaming. Yeah. The screaming is hard. That makes me sad. Yeah. Yeah. Screaming dead lady is not my fave. But it could be like, you know, like a dimension, like time slip kind of thing where she thinks you're the fucking ghost. And she's like, oh, fucking ghost and screams. Like, maybe she's not in pain or anything. She just scared too. Okay. Yeah. That's a perfectly reasonable explanation. That makes me feel better about it.

47:02 You know, I'm glad that that helps you. There weren't a lot of other accounts of hauntings here. Mostly just, you know, the misty things, the figures, feeling of being watched, that kind of thing. There is another story that has been repeated in some articles. It was originally from Reddit. And it was someone describing something that might not have been a ghost, something that is maybe just easily explained as being Portland. I really want to read this though in a Patreon bonus because the red is fucking hilarious. It's so funny. So I want to read that. I don't want to include that story as part of this because I don't think it was a haunting. Just a bit off topic. Yeah. Okay. I don't think it was relevant. But I love that for us. I want to read it for Patreon. So we'll do that not today, but I'll put it together another time. Oh, okay. Let's go. I do, I do wonder that with the remodel of the healing garden and stuff, like what what's going to come up?

48:17 Because you know, ghosts kind of get more active when things are changing. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know if it's necessarily like going to be bad things that are happening, but it might just be a little more active while they're they're building the memorials. Okay. Yeah. So everyone go visit right now while it's at its most active or don't or just stay home and just wear cozy sweaters and your ugg slippers and you know, drink wine on your couch. I'll go. I might be going soon because I did a very spooky, Cassie thing to do. Yeah.

49:00 I am now a photo volunteer on Find a Grave. So they they need people to take pictures because they, you know, they track like every single grave and some people kind of request to have certain graves photographed and whatnot. So okay, well great. Now that I know that I have a list that you can start working through. For your personal use. Well, I mean in connection with the podcast. They might be on Find a Grave, but I could probably take a better picture. Yeah. Also that. I also am thinking about volunteering to help clean headstones and stuff.

49:42 They have a lot of volunteer opportunities. You can they have a class that like teaches you how. They have tours at this place. Everything's on their website. You can find things, but they have different types of tours to learn about the history and the people. And then during that Halloween time, they have special like kind of spooky tours. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Well, I mean, I need advance warning if you start posting down graves. If you become a grave janitor, I feel like the needs of my home for I just need to know ahead of time. I'm going to it's going to involve a lot of crystals and herbs. I'll be protected. I will be I know how to protect myself. I will not make sure nothing follows me home. I know, but what I'm worried about is that despite your desire to indirect, it doesn't want you. It wants to get to me because they're like, sugar I like a lethal girl. Well, if they can't attach to me, they can't get to you. Okay. I'll just I won't think about you all one there. They won't even know about you. Yeah. You're like you're in the witness protection program, but you're like in the ghost protection program. You know, we're we're we're going to workshop it because I feel like it's there's something there. It's not like we're not there yet. Yeah,

51:18 whatever. No one tell any ghosts about Caitlyn's existence. Yes, please. Thank you. Well, should we do some tarot? Yeah, I'm excited. Let's use some tarot and our cute little graveyard altar. It's very cute. We have a special kind of riddle. It's the what is it? Cemetery stroll. Cemetery stroll from mythic wick. Mythic? Yeah, I said it right. Yeah. Thank you, Jocelyn. As indie podcasters, we love to show our support of other awesome shows. So stay tuned for the promo we've got to share with you this week. Let's show them some love. You can find their info in our show notes. This is That's So Fucked Up, a podcast about cult, murder and other fucked up stuff, like really, really fucked up stuff. He tore out her heart, tied it to a rope and hung it on the wall.

52:20 Fucking sharks. Eight mark under the dinghy. After his dad dies, he fucking marries all his dad's wives. Yeah, he like marries all his stepmoms. I'm your host, Ashley Love Richards. Find That So Fucked Up, anywhere you listen to podcasts. That's Forth Up. You guys were back. And don't worry, we did get more wine. Well, of course, we're here at the tarot. We're back. We're back. We have lit our beautiful cemetery stroll candle. It smells like grass and rain. It smells like what does it say? I think grass and rain. It smells like an impromptu walk through the cemetery in the rain. How cute is my little cemetery? I know you can't see some of the headstones, but that's what pictures are for.

53:25 There you go. Okay, do you guys want to help me pick send me all your energy from the future? Okay, well, this one came out, but yeah. Okay. Oh, okay. We got the star in reverse. And then the queen of cups. Oh, okay. I kept seeing that card. I did too. Is that weird? I was seeing it too while you were shuffling and while I was shuffling. Okay. Oh, and I turned right to it. So, oh, okay. Our key words are creativity, fertility, strong emotion, change, and intuition.

54:12 Usually the queen of cups appears seated on a throne, wearing a crown and lovely garments. A beautiful woman she exudes warm sensuality and maternal caring. Oh, like the sex workers. Oh, and they were like sweet too. Yeah. Okay. And dressed in nice clothes. Or like one of the ghosts at least was, you know. The French, French, where in a reading, the queen may signify an actual person. When she does, it's usually a mature woman who's creative, nurturing, changeable, intuitive, devoted as a wife or mother and highly emotional, sometimes a drama queen. Oh, sounds like me today. Yeah, I feel like just picking up our hands like chaos. All right. The upright queen represents deep emotions, compassion, and caring. When she comes up, you're experiencing strong feelings about someone or something. She can also urge you to use your intuition to express your creativity. If this card signifies a real person, she's nurturing and generous, a mother figure, ruled by her heart, not her head. She's changeable and sometimes unreliable. Okay. Interesting. There's an extra excerpt

55:46 and then I'll read the three bullet points. Okay. The queen of cups is like a body of water, ever flowing onward as she brings inspiration and feeling to the world. Though she may sometimes seem as mutable as the sea itself, she is ever true to her heart. Oh, I like that. It's always like reminding me of the change that's going on in the... Why am I doing this? I don't know what I'm doing, but the change for the memorial, you know, it's very emotional for a lot of people and there's a lot of... I assume a lot of intuition involved in that and creativity and... Yeah. In reading about money, the queen can mean earning money from a creative activity. Earning money for? Raising money for maybe? Yeah.

56:43 Or... Yeah. Often she recommends being flexible and willing to make changes. Use your intuition as well as your intellect in financial matters. I wonder how many times the like the plans had to be changed and, you know? Yeah, I feel like that's a good point. If the reading is about your job, this can be a creative and inspired time for you. To be happy, you need to be able to use your imagination in your job. Sometimes the queen shows unreal... An unrealistic attitude about work or a desire to be taken care of rather than working. In a reading about love, the upright queen represents a deeply romantic, sensual and emotional relationship. All like if all of your clients like paid for... Yeah. Here, memorial, headstone. Yes. Words are hard. And the couple holding hands forever.

57:46 Yeah. With the not creepy headstone. Yeah, with the headstone. Yeah. Of indeterminate creepiness. If this card signifies a real person, she's probably manipulated. Oh, I... Oops. I started to skip down into the room. I was like, "Whoa, this took a turn." Yeah, it really did. You open yourself to a partner and lavish him or her with love. Sometimes the queen advises you to be more discriminating. This is a fortunate card if you want to have children. Well, I don't think any of these people are having any children anytime soon. Probably not. It was kind of reminding me though, there was a lot of people who purchased headstones or like grays for other people. Yeah.

58:41 There was a lot of care-taking on the part of others. Yeah. It was like giving me that vibe. I know I was talking about a couple, but you know. Yeah, but I don't know that it necessarily is exclusive to that though, either. Yeah. Yeah. It's just a vibe. Oh, you're going to love that. Oh, yay. Yay. Okay. I think the star, key words, are happiness, hope, light at the end of the tunnel, which that is some powerful imagery associated with death. Yeah. You're going to come up in this reading. It is. I kind of like, what is that guy too?

59:27 Is that the morning death? I can't remember. Oh, I think you're right. I think you're right. I know it's on one of the cards we've gotten recently, but okay. Hope, which whispered from Pandora's Box, only after all the other plagues and sorrows had escaped, is the best and last of all things. Wow. Yeah. I love that quote. It is a morning dove, which is fucking crazy. Yeah. Okay. And we got this in the reverse, but there is another extra excerpt. Optimism is the faith that leads to achievement. Nothing can be done without hope and confidence, which there was a lot of people fighting to get this cast. Get these people memorized, memorized, remembered. Yeah. Memorial lessons. Yeah. They needed a lot of hope and persistence. You're going to shit. Remember how they had taken one of her eyes? Oh, yeah. Do you want to guess who that quote is from in the second excerpt?

1:00:42 I don't know. It's Helen Keller. Oh, weird. Interesting. Okay. And then here's the reverse. Trust life and its process. And yourself. The reverse star can mean you're following your path in a private way instead of shining your light into the outer world. Hmm. The blessings you receive may be spiritual rather than material. So yeah, all these people are just buried in the dirt. Yeah. Privately. Which perhaps you feel devitalized, uninspired or low on self esteem at this time. Oh, after you attune yourself to what your soul needs, you'll feel more energized and in harmony with who you truly are. Wow. This is really cool. In a reading about money, you may feel disappointed because a hoped for payment or payoff gets delayed. It's just a couple of years, you know, 2008 to 2026. Yeah. After you're dead for almost a month. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, gosh. Even though you're trying hard, your efforts don't bear much fruit.

1:02:10 The time may not be right yet. Don't give up. I hope it's right right now. Yeah. It seems like now we're in the final stages. I hope so. I don't know if they've actually started construction yet. I haven't seen any of the last pictures I see or like a sign of like, this is what's coming. Anyway, we get there eventually. Yeah. If the reading is about your job, you may be hiding your light under a bushel. Okay. Perhaps you don't realize your true abilities and thus aren't getting ahead as quickly as you could. The star reversed can also represent disillusionment, disenchantment, or lack of inspiration. In a reading about love, this card can mean your expectations are unrealistic. You're searching for perfection, which can never be attained.

1:03:16 Or it can indicate you aren't seeing your partner or relationship clearly. I feel like this interpretation, I'm the first two bullet points are speaking to me. I think the stuff about the perfection stuff, they're never going to, unfortunately, they're probably never going to find everybody and who all of these people are, because they don't even know where some of them are, some of them are under the parking lot. They're never going to have perfection in this situation, but they're building something.

1:03:56 They're doing something, but it's not going to be perfect. Yeah, I mean, I think just by virtue of this project being necessary, like you can say, yeah, it's not going to be perfect because we didn't do maybe the best things to begin with. So now it's all about what is going to be the best remedy. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that was so perfect. Wow, even though I struggled talking, hopefully that wasn't too hard for everyone to listen to. Listen, sometimes your brain hurts and that's all you know in that moment. Yeah. I think I can't remember. Did I read this one last time we got it? She's read it again. I don't know if I, if I could say for sure.

1:04:49 Well, yeah, now you have to read it, obviously. This is interesting, then it says that word. Okay. Okay. Doug was most at home in the sky. He had taken flight at dawn. From darkness filled with trepidation and fear, he flew toward the bright beacon above the horizon. Doug's wings kept him aloft into the daylight. Through the forest, valley and wasteland, heading over toward that morning star, still shining in the distance. As Doug journeyed, his heart lightened, he felt echoes of past pilgrims, which is interesting pilgrims because they were like all like pioneer cemeteries, you know, to begin with. Yeah. I don't know if that's like the same type of thing.

1:05:38 Listen, I'm just going to say that's a, it's interesting that that specific word is inserted there. Yeah. Yeah. His path intertwined with those of other travelers. He left his fear behind. He weathe. I did read this before because I struggled on this one too. He wield joyously in the sky and skimmed above the clouds, flying higher than he had any right to. He tested the boundaries of himself and the world he inhabited. A part of him hoped that he would never reach the star, not wanting to, not wanting the journey to end, the rest of him wondered what will happen when he got there. That's really interesting. Yeah. That's very indicative of the afterlife. Yeah. Wow.

1:06:30 That's what's so weird. It like is still hitting me that we got the morning dove. Yeah. Wow. Hey, did you like listening to that terror read? Yeah. Do you want to see it with your eyeballs? I mean, I did, but yeah. Maybe that was a poor choice of words after this episode. Anyway, if you want to see it, it's on our Patreon. We did a full moon oracle card pull from my moon deck, what's it called? My moon oracle deck. Yeah. Just for Patreon this week, they also get the ad-free version of the episode. But you might be asking yourself, what is Patreon? Patreon is a monthly subscription with a range of price points and benefits. Every member of our Patreon gets a personalized welcome card and a shout out in an upcoming episode as well as exclusive bonus episodes and so much more, including the mini-turo reading that goes into the welcome card, which we frequently forget to mention when we talk about the welcome card. Yeah. That's in there. Also, there's still time if you join in February and you stay for two months, you get a self-love spell jar. You get our creepy people stickers. Yeah. All the information is on there. They'll tell you like what tears get them and stuff.

1:08:00 And we did talk about a bonus episode for this one. You've talked about a bonus you're doing. There's just a lot of bonuses coming up. There's a lot of bonusy bonuses. All the bones. Yeah. We are also going to be doing some fun cold reading. We're going to be reading to you from a book called Born to Be Weird, Demented Fantasy and Bizarre Horror. And we're going to be doing it from a walk-in freezer. That part is not true. Cold reading. Okay. I'll just not turn on the heat before you come over. Is that cool?

1:08:44 Yeah, I'll bundle up. Okay. Yeah. No. But that's something we're going to be doing for the Patreon. Come in up here. We're just mixing it up. Doing some fun fun things. Yeah. We like fun things. Yeah. If you have any stories, we're still doing creepy people chronicles. So send them in true crime paranormal witchy stories to pnwhauntsandhomicides@gmail.com. Did I say that right? Yeah. Okay. Wow. Look at that. She nailed it. That was like... It came out so fast I was not sure if I actually said it correctly. Yeah. e also have a Google contact link in the episode description. And our link tree website will be (www.pnwhauntsandhomicides.com) in there as well. So you can find us on all the socials and all the things. Oh yeah. And I forgot to say it when you were talking about that story on Reddit, but we're on there. Yeah. We're on the Reddit.

1:09:36 We're on the Reddit. Caitlyn likes to get karma. I have no idea what this means. I know. But I think it's a good thing. It really speaks to me. Karma is... It's kind of like points. Oh, I was going Taylor Swift. Karma is my boyfriend. Karma is a cat on my lap. What else is karma? Yeah. I mean it's that. The breeze through my hair on the weekend. Is that part of it? Yes. Yes. Reddit does transact directly with warm pleasant breezes. Warm pleasant Taylor Swift lyrics. Okay. Yep. That's fax. Have a creepy ass day. See you next Tuesday.

1:10:20 Or you know. All right. Well, don't go bearing any bodies unmarked in cemeteries because we just shouldn't do that to anybody anymore. Yeah. No. I don't think so. Like even if they're a like shitty person serial killer, I still want their grave marked because like you don't want to be building shit on top of that. I was going to say yeah maybe still it's good idea because like we want to build their house on that. No. Yeah. Nobody. Yeah. I wonder how many buildings are on top of bodies. I have this one for sure. It's on something. It's on something I don't like. Oh my god. Are we doing it? Did we do it? Is it over?

1:11:13 Bad news, is not over. Oh my god. Is that Taylor Swift song? Is it over? No. I don't know.