Creepy People Chronicles: Headstones & Haunted Houses

0:00 I'm glad you're not reading this one. Oh my god. Okay, I'm scared. Okay. I'm not usually like this. I know. I love it. I pointed up and was like, I love that scary decoration of the man hanging from the banister. We both gasped. Probably just like that. Hi, Caitlyn. Hi, Cassie. Hi, creepy people. Hello. If you're new to our creepy little corner of the world, this is little PNW Haunts and Homicides.

0:51 Everything's little today. Where we chat about true crime, a little paranormal, little stories of little things, little spooky stuff, creepy stuff, little and big stuff in the Pacific Northwest. You know, PNW, if you're nasty. And we know but you're nasty because you came here because you're here. If you're not nasty, you might want to step out. You may have chosen the wrong locale. We also do a tarot reading at the end of every episode for a little bit of deeper insight into our topic.

1:32 Sometimes an oracle reading, I think that's what we might do today. Oh, really? I want to play with a mushroom oracle deck that you got me. Ooh, that does seem fitting. Yeah. I think so. Okay. I like to do oracle for creepy people chronicles. The CPC, which is what this is. I'm so excited. We got some stories, y'all. We got actually multiple, multiple. Yes. And this person DM'd and said, "I'm really sorry if Caitlyn accidentally reads this email. Be for you guys. Talk about it on the show."

2:12 There was a lot of warnings. You missed all of the red flags, then I don't know what to say. I know. I was like, I didn't miss it in the subject line. And even if I was curious, I feel like there were probably more warnings in the email itself. They did their due diligence. They DM'd us too though. They were like, "Really though? I've got. I've got to stop her." That's so cute. I know. I love it. So I assume we do a permission to read it on air. I haven't read the email. Well, me neither. So I guess we'll find out. Yes, we're going to find out. If you email us, okay, I guess we'll decide from the title.

2:54 But before we go into that story that we got emailed to us at pnwhauntsandhomicides@gmail.com. I have a story. I had the best morning ever. Yeah. Where were you, Cassie? I was at the cemetery. I went to Lone Fir Cemetery, which we've talked about episodes back. Yeah. I don't know how many. Number. Shhhhh. That one. We'll probably link it. So anyway, I went to Lone Fir because I've just, I've never been. I've been wanting to go forever, like forever and ever. It looks really pretty. Like why I live in the area.

3:37 Why I haven't. I live in the area. In the area. Thereabouts. Anyway, I've never gone. So I went to help clean headstones. So they do in the summertime. They do headstone cleaning workshops. It's like every couple of Saturdays. I don't know the schedule, but it's on the website. This is the only one I could make because Saturdays are recording day. And it's just hard to get out and do things. We had a bunch of shit to do. So we have so much shit to do. And the next one, yeah, we won't, I won't be able to make it either. We won't be able to make it. And that's the last one for the season.

4:17 So if you want to go, go look up. There's one more in September. I learned all about it. It's not that hard. You just like pour a bunch of water on and gently scrub. So I cleaned like three little ground ones and then two bigger, bigger ones. Okay. Like sure, is if anyone wants them, I mean, personally, each one of you individually. I mean, I feel like some of those might make it into the socials for sure. Yeah. So after we were done cleaning, I did talk to the head volunteer. I think she does like most of the communications. She said that she could probably get someone to come on the podcast and talk to us about things.

5:03 Really? Yeah. Because I definitely, I like to verify my information. Hell yeah. I did pretty much get all of my information from like a loan for type site. Yeah. So I think everything was good except for one thing we'll talk about. Oh, I'm not sure. Okay. I should have listened to the episode and like reviewed it. Yeah. So after we're done, I wanted to go naturally check out all the headstones that we talked about. So I went and found- [Loud Boom] oh, it's God it's thunder. And we're going to have a thunderstorm today. It was just a come later. That's real. That was terrifying. Yeah, that's real.

5:43 I'm really glad that I was. It was really close. It was really close. It was really close. It was really close. It was really close. It was really close. It was really close. It was really close. It was really close. It was really close. I bet the microphones picked that up. Oh my God. I saw your face. Yeah, that was really close. Oh my God. That was like when we were in McMinnville for the batch. Oh yeah. Well, it looks like it's lasting a couple hours now. So I'm glad I kind of, how do I get so calm in these situations? It'll just add to the drama of the episode. Yeah, I feel like if you couldn't see my face, you'd probably think that I was just normal.

6:27 I think it's, it's my face. Your face just gives it away. You know, some people have resting bitch face and mine just has like zero chill face. You know what I mean? Like every thought, every feeling, it's just like, wow. I'm interested to see my face because I don't, I feel like I didn't have a reaction, but I might have. I think I jumped a little bit. I don't know. I think that's why I immediately look to you because I think sometimes I'm like, well I don't trust myself because I'm a hot dummy. But I go and I'm like looking around like, did anybody else hear that? What was that? Did you do that too? Was that just me? Should I be scared? And you're just like, you, honestly, I think your face was like, I thought, I don't know if she heard that.

7:13 Was that just in my head? Okay, well, at least now I know I'm not like hallucinating, lightening and thunder. Yeah, no, you're not unless I am too. And also the weather app. Oh, I shared hallucination though. That would be cool. I'm glad I kept an eye on the weather because I was going to clean headstones, even though I would have gotten in the rain. But, and I think, ooh, thunder storms tonight. So that's the only reason it was already in my brain as like thunder storms were coming today. Wow. And they just came all early. Yeah. Okay, nature.

7:53 Can I get through my fucking story? This was supposed to be quick. No, both man and nature are against you. Seriously. Hi, where even was I? Who knows? So I wanted to walk around and look at all the headstones. It's not like a huge cemetery, but it's pretty good size. I sang a little, a couple steps in today. Good, get your steps. So I went and looked at the very creepy one of the husband and wife who were carved into the, do you need a refresher? Oh, I sent it to you. It was the one I took a selfie with and sent it to earlier. I think I just was like, oh, look, Cassie, so cute.

8:33 I'll show you the kind of far one. Remember those guys? Oh, yes. Yes, I do. I don't know why, but that is just so creepy to me. Like, it's actually very sweet and it's objectively kind of cute, but it's also really, it's really creepy. It's creepy cute. It's creepy cute. I think we said that in the original episode, maybe. Probably. Yeah. That is Elizabeth and James Stevens. And oh, they have the cool quote on the back of like, we're here, we like here by consent. And we were like, we need enthusiastic consent.

9:16 Oh, that's right. I do remember that. Yeah. Okay. And they use the word sojourning. Yeah. I love it. It's so. If you're curious about the quote, go listen to the original episode. That's right. So I visited them. I went to Emore Stevens, which was like the first person buried there. He's right next to them. Wow. I went to the Macleay, um, mausoleum, the big castle-y looking one. I saw the Hawthorne monument. Wow. That's my mind is blown. I know we talked about this.

9:57 And I've probably seen a lot of these pictures, not your pictures, but some exactly not your pictures. But those are just like they're, I mean, they're really, they're just remarkable. I mean, it's just like, it's mind blowing to me. I don't know why. And it's kind of sad because they're all falling apart. Like the Bottler brothers, they found theirs and it's still not. Oh my gosh. They got together from the roof caving in. And then so the one I really wanted to see was Ada. Or if you remember, she was the angel statue that I could stole it.

10:37 And I can't remember if I had said they found it and returned it or if it was still in storage because I think it was still in storage. Okay. And it was not there and it made me so sad. So this is a little a das. There's only a foot of the angel left. Oh. I got people sad. Barely read her name. Like this is all zoomed in. And we weren't in that area cleaning stones really. And I didn't know where it was. I went and found it afterwards. But I really want to go back and like a roll scrub down.

11:18 Yeah. But like the angels went there. It's so sad. Yeah. And then I found play ball, Julius Caesar's. Oh my God. The head stuff. Wow. His looks like it's in pretty good shape. I think it was cleaned recently. Okay. I feel like maybe someone can spider-tick her of it. I don't know. They have a little rose garden there with like bird baths and stuff. Oh, that's cute. And super interesting. So I had my ghost tube on while I was walking around. And I had went to the look at the roses and stuff and then I went and found a das. And then when I was walking away, like leaving and the ghost tube said rose.

12:03 And I was like, oh, yeah, I was just over at the roses. And then it fucking said like angel and play with me. And I was like, no shit. I really got the chills. I have the chills right now. And then I was walking away and I was like, okay, I'm leaving. And it said goodbye. And then it said don't leave. And I was like, okay, and then that's kind of what reminded me to like say, okay, you have to stay here. And we'll come back and visit everyone's stay behind the gates. Like do not follow me home. I just like, I felt bad. So the next time maybe I want to spend a little more time there.

12:46 I don't know maybe bring some toys or something and hang out with her. Anyone want to go with me? It's like a park. Like a picnic. It's a park for dead people. I know you won't go. Oh god. No, I don't know what it is. But I have always, like from a very, very young age, I have always been very uneasy if not truly. Yeah. It runs the gamut. Sometimes I'm truly terrified. We talk about it. I think because you can like feel the things.

13:26 Yeah. Yeah. Whereas I can like kind of block it out. So it makes sense. It makes sense. We've talked about it. You're too thirsty. I'm not the only one who enjoys cemeteries. Okay. Because I met someone famous. I met the squirrel guy, Rando. He said he's the famous squirrel guy of Lone Fir Cemetery. Stop it. He was sitting there. He has friends. He like names them. He brings little peanuts and they know him. They come running to him. He's like, they're my best friends. He has crow friends too. I'm just like, bro, this is where I'm headed.

14:07 I'm going to be the squirrel guy, Rando at the cemetery someday. I love that. I know it was very sweet. I bothered him for a little bit. He told me some stories and told me about him just loving to sit there and hang in there and squirrels and how this place is so peaceful. And I agree with you. I love it here. Doing squirrel guy stuff. Yeah. So that was cool. I also met someone who was doing the cleaning of the stones. Do I think her name was Victoria? If I have that wrong, I apologize. I really tried to remember your name. But she heard me talking about the podcast was interested.

14:49 And then I was telling her about like, I'm going to block 14 to go check that out. She's like, oh, what's that? And I was like, I'll tell you. And we went over there. So we checked out block 14. There's been no construction yet. It's still ongoing. I think you can vote on the designs now for the memorial garden. Oh, okay. Someone else came by and saw us looking at the sign and said that you can vote on designs. So if anyone's interested in that, I'll link it. Hopefully I can find it. Yeah. Because that would be cool. So that means hopefully it's like, would start soon. Yeah. It's exciting. It's also very eerie. Okay. Because there's signs on the fence.

15:32 I should pull it out. I was going to say, I mean, I could have told you that. So there's like a sign on the fence because it's fenced off. And it says burial area. Please stay outside chain. Oh. So it is kind of like eerie when you walk by all those signs that are like, this is a burial area. Don't just respect it even further than it already has been. Seriously, like just don't be a dick. Yeah. So it was cool seeing all those things meeting so many different people. Oh, and I signed up to they have nature journaling. Oh, cute. It's reminds me of outdoor school because we were going to go to the like journal in the city in the nature and I signed up for one of those.

16:17 I'm excited to go to that. And we're going to talk about our email from Jeannie. Ooh. Okay. So title is spooky people chronicles. She changed the name, I guess. Okay. Maybe we'll just officially change it to spooky people chronicles. I mean, we're open to suggestion. Creepy spooky same thing. Also title. Second part of the title says Caitlyn trigger warning. Great. In the title. Should I just get my feet up here? Get them up there. All right. All right. All of them up there.

16:58 They all nice and tight. Hello, Caitlyn and Cassie. And I said it backwards. This is Cassie and Caitlyn. For some reason my brain likes to put you first. So that's what it did. That's so funny because I feel like whenever I type it out, I'm like, well, I don't want it to always say Caitlyn first. So I put your name first. It is like alphabetically correct. Yeah. You're for yours to be first. I guess tech. Yeah. Technically that's right. So I think a, you know, I'm just going to listen. We might have a power outage on our hands. We don't have time for the ABC.

17:39 ABC. Okay. Okay. Have a listener. I love your podcast. Oh, thank you. You are my commuting buddies. Thank you for the laughs, the scares and the true crime entertainment. I was wondering why I was so tired all the time. It's all the driving. Yeah. Yeah. It's so much driving. We're always on route. We're on the go. We're women on the go. Yeah. I'm a busy business lady. So now it says Caitlyn, stop reading. It's time for the three spooky happenings. There have been more, but these three wiggled me out. Okay.

18:20 So apparently like this was for you if you got into the email for you to stop reading, but you're still going to have to sit here and listen to these stories. Come from me. Uh, Thunder in Lightning Storm. Oh gosh. Honestly, I have been so jealous of other podcasts that I've listened to and they live in like the Midwest and they have really frequent thunder storms. And sometimes you can hear it in their audio. And I've been really jealous because I'm like, we've had so many like kind of weird spooky things that we like our running joke now is pretty much like always be recording.

19:00 Yeah. And I really, I'm like, I want it. I want that Thunder Storm audio. So you manifested the storm as what you're saying. I mean, I've random summer storm Oregon. I even thought about this in months. This is not a recent thought that I've had. It takes time. Man, if it takes time, you guys, you don't know when it's going to happen. I know, but don't you have to actively be like, no, set it and forget it. You might have asked that shit and then you let it go and you don't think about it. And then it comes true. I did what you were supposed to do and it worked. This is just like proof. I cannot believe how loud it is.

19:41 I'm going to be so disappointed if the mics are some reason. This is a loud. I don't think it'll pick this up. Maybe a little. Yeah, not like that first. That first one was like a closure. Okay. Oh my gosh. Okay, back to it. I just want to flashlight under my chin. I know. Story one. When I was in high school, I stayed overnight at a new friend's house. We were like 14 or 15. It was in the 80s. Ooh, we were just like the 80s earlier. Yeah. The fashion. The fashion. We had gone to a soccer game and had pizza for dinner. Everything was fine. It has a bunch of ease at the end.

20:23 Fine. Listen, Jeannie. I don't believe you. Not for a second. No. I got up the next morning and went downstairs to have breakfast. I could hear her mom in the kitchen and smell breakfast. Ooh, I can smell it right now. I won't sit. It was an old house. I knew they inherited it from a great aunt. Oh, God. The dream. My God. When I got to the bottom of the stairs, I looked at the front sitting room. Are you ready? No. I've never been less ready. Can I just say I'm really impressed with my reading skills?

21:04 Yeah, you're doing really good. Thank you. I would be so distracted right now because of the thunder. Obviously, I still am. I'm just not reading. So it makes me a better reader, I think. Oh, look at you. Are you ready? I'm ready for it. I think. Taylor. I should have brought the candle. Fuck. Wait, the candle. The Taylor candle. Oh, the Taylor candle. She'll make an appearance one day. Yeah, she'll be in here. There was a casket with an old lady in it. Flowers and chairs set up in the living room of their house. No, thank you. This is like my dream. I would love to have a funeral home. I think I'm going to have anxiety burps now.

21:48 You see what you do to our people? Keep it coming. Honestly, the timing of this is just too much. Because number one, OK, you're out there cleaning gravestones today. And this is about-- And then-- Help me get my smile right now. Like I'm living today. I'm so happy. Do we need to stop? Do we need to stop to the day? And just like, you're killing a little less. Oh, you think you're going to traumatize me twice? Oh, oh, I think not. OK, so it's kind of like they have a funeral home, I guess. OK. Let me see. I could smell the flowers heavy in the air.

22:30 I panicked and ran into the kitchen to my friend's mom. I was like, if I knew you were having a funeral or a wake in the house today, I would never have stayed legit. Yeah. I was kind of wondering that. Yeah. I'm sorry. I didn't know. Maybe I should go home. Sorry, it wasn't done reading your sentence. It seems like you're panicking, talking all of this, just spilling. I'm sorry. I saw this thing. You got to go home. I was really upset and agitated with this little thing. Yeah. No, it's a real Caitlin energy. She's a Caitlin-shaped hole out the wall. Her mom was like, what did you see?

23:11 I told her-- I told her. [LAUGHS] Wait. I'm so-- Why do you need her to describe it? Are you not seeing the lady with a casket? Are you not-- that whole situation? I think it's sinking in. OK, so she told her. She looked at me and said there hasn't been a funeral or a wake in this house since my great aunt died. Oh, and the thunder. Oh, no. Oh, good. Thunder roll. I was-- [LAUGHS] Another lion instructs. Another love goes cold.

23:53 Hit it. [LAUGHS] OK, anyway. Anyway. We're just trying to make this uncomfortable situation better by laughing. Yeah, let's make it more comfortable by being so uncomfortable. [LAUGHS] So Jeannie says, my friend wasn't even born at the time. She said, close your eyes and tell me everything you saw. I told her at all. We walked together into the sitting room. There was no casket and no flowers. The room was, as it had been the night before, totally normal. She showed me two different pictures of elderly ladies and asked me which one I saw.

24:35 I immediately pointed to one which was the great aunt who had been dead for 20 years. OK, well, that's not how a proper lineup works, but I'll allow it. Oh. [LAUGHS] Although, apparently, not everyone will. Yeah, I think you need, like, at least four people in the lineup, right? Well, and you're not supposed to say which one of these was it? Also, I totally made up the four thing. It's way too suggestive. My grandma was half Native American and knew about the things I saw or knew. She told me not to tell the normal people or my brother because it would scare them, which is I think that a lot of the times, too.

25:20 We can't tell the normal people this stuff. Yeah. The Normies. This happened in northern New England. Oh. So there was the first one. You ladies OK. Caitlin, you OK? I'm fine. I mean, the weather seems really upset about this story. That's all. I mean, I just-- Oh my god. That's my concern. Are you an ex-man? Are you storm? You're emotional. I'm only just causing a storm. I'm just going to be a little bit more calm. I'm just going to be a little bit more calm. I'm just going to be a little bit more calm. I'm just going to be a little bit more calm.

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26:42 I'm just going to be a little bit calm. I'm just going to be a little bit calm. I'm just going to be a little bit calm. I'm just going to be a little bit calm. I'm just going to be a little bit calm. This is kind of surprised. The way that the mom reacted makes me think that maybe she did. Maybe she did. Maybe she did. Maybe she seen it before. She was just like, "Okay, tell me what you saw." I'm used to this. Yeah. It's either that she was seeing a residual type thing or she just casually slipped into a time warp. Okay. Yeah. She was walked into a little ripple in time. She was walked into a little ripple in time. She was walked into a little ripple in time. She was walked into a little ripple in time.

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30:19 Check them out, creepy people. You can find their info in our show notes. So story two, two three. I got it, we're now we're just getting to two out of three. Okay, okay. Coastal North Carolina, 1994 or 1995. Wait, isn't North Carolina like really haunted? Yeah. Okay. What's it, Charlotte? Okay, Charlotte. I think that's how it's like old. Yeah, Savannah. Georgia is supposed to be like-- But it's a place in North Carolina. Yeah, yeah. Okay. All right, I'm sure Savannah. Not, I just been to Savannah.

31:01 Yeah, like kind of through it. We didn't link really stop and do anything, but it was a gorgeous-- That's what I would do as well. (laughing) I wanted to stop all the trees. Oh, the Spanish beautiful. Yeah. Anyway. I made one. This was Coastal North Carolina, 1994 or 1995. Two weeks before Halloween, I worked with this fun social butterfly of a guy, a real peach ed. Ed? Yeah. We heard your peach. He asked me to help him take some things after work to a friend's house in the historic district of town for the haunted walk store. I had wanted to see the inside of this house and I had met his friend several times.

31:45 We parked in the back and carried the stuff in. All was well for now. Okay, listen, we've already established that we don't believe you, but go on for now. We were in the kitchen in the back. His friend hugged me and thanked me. He was like, I'll give you a tour. Did Ed tell you my house is haunted? (laughing) I was like, yes, he did. Did he tell you I'm a witch? Oh my God. And I laughed about it. I was joking a little. There was another lady there who was helping set things up for the tours. She was a medium and not in size.

32:26 (laughing) So a medium like psychic. I mean, like, talk to the day of. Yeah. I'm picking up what you're putting down. She was very watchful of me from the start. Ooh. Interesting. Okay. Wait, what did she know? (laughing) Too much. We walked down the hall to the foyer which had this cool staircase. Ooh. I like the Titanic staircase. Seriously. That is the beginning of my street of dreams. Love. What? Okay. What? Yeah. I'm like, what?

33:06 Maybe we shouldn't read the rest. (laughing) I can do this. This whole thing is giving me like Hill House vibes. Okay. I don't know what that means. (gasping) It's because it's too scary for you to watch. Oh, fuck. We walked down the hall to this foyer which had this cool staircase. I pointed up and was. I think she wanted to say I was like, okay. You're talking like, is it, well, there's a missing word. I'm like you, I can't find brain things. Oh my God. It's as if I'm reading this story. I'm glad you're not reading this one.

33:48 Oh my God. Okay. I'm scared. Okay. I'm not usually like this. I know. I love it. I pointed up and was like, I love that scary decoration of the man hanging from the banister. (screaming) We both gasped. Probably just like that. They both. The medium walked away I was standing. She said, do you like him? What was he wearing? I described this man in a colonial style. In colonial style clothes except he was in stalking feet. Oh, like he was not barefoot.

34:29 He was like in his stalking feet. Yeah. That's what they didn't really, they didn't have socks. Okay. They had like stockings. I said, did his shoes keep falling off the mannequin? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. At the end. Yay! Yay! My friend Ed was quite pale and afraid. He's not peaching anymore. He's not a peach? He's one of the white peaches. (laughing) The pale ones. They're tasty. His friend gave a nervous laugh. The medium was like, okay, I want you to turn around and face the door and then turn back around and look up.

35:16 I did and the hanging man was gone. Oh, gone. I was like, this is just gonna be exactly like that. Okay. I asked who moved him. How did they do it so fast without me hearing or seeing them? Uh-huh. Lotical. Lotical thing to ask. Jeannie, I have bad news about that. The owner of the house said, there was no mannequin hanging there. (screaming) And then he said, I need a drink. (laughing) Yeah. Yeah. Take a drink. Gonna need a refill. We went into the sitting room. Not the sitting room. Sitting rooms are bad for you. Yeah.

35:57 We went into the sitting room where he had a bar car and he poured us all brandy. Okay, take it back. Go to the sitting room. Can I come over? (laughing) I was all, I don't drink. And he was like, you need this. Yeah, that's a real bummer in this situation. No judgment, but. So let me tell you the backstory of this house. The original builder built this house and the one next door. They were shipping merchants. His son and his family lived in this house. The son was away for business and his wife and two children died of yellow fever. Is it hailing? Yeah.

36:37 Okay, we gotta get a picture of this because this is the weird organ weather that we speak of. So it was the original builder's son who lived in this house and his son was away for business when his wife and two children died of yellow fever. Oh my God, we see a way on real business or fake business. I hope it was real business. Business. But right when I was saying that is like when the hill storm happened, crazy. Oh my God. They had to be buried before he returned home because of the heat. I mean, that makes sense.

37:20 So he returned home from his business trip to learn that his family had died. He was destroyed by it. So he didn't even know until he got home. Oh my God. By the way, your entire family is dead and we've already buried them. Jesus. Yeah, I would be destroyed. I can't. His family was worried about his mind. So his sister and husband moved in with him while he was mourning. That's good of them. I mean, probably for the best. I like for God at the beginning of this and I just remembered. Oh no. Yeah.

38:01 Oh no. On the night of his wife's birthday, after everyone had gone to bed, he went out in his stalking feet because he didn't want his sister to hear him or his husband or sorry, his sister or her husband to hear him. He, oh God. And hung himself on the third floor banister. (sniffing) - Brociss. (sighs) - Shit. I blurred it out. Fuck me. - Yeah. - Yeah. That's fair. - The medium was like, that's what you saw. - Yeah.

38:41 No, it's okay. We're familiar with French. Shit, dude. That's so sad. That's awful. That poor man. - Yeah, the birthday, that would be really hard. So hard. That means her birthday was right around the corner. Like I wonder if he planned his trip around her birthday. Like to be home for her birthday. - Oh. Yeah, I don't know how long after. - Yeah. - After this was. - Oh. Yeah, it seems like it would be pretty close 'cause I don't know, it could have been like, then like almost a year later or whatever. - Yeah.

39:21 - Based on the thunder claps. - I'm gonna say we're on to something. Uffta. - Now you think after this, I would have left the building screaming. - Yeah. - I did fact check this story at a later date and it was true. I did not leave. I finished the tour. I would finish. - Okay. My eye twitch has been activated. So, sorry about it, but like this is what happens. Do you see? Do you see? - Do you see the twitch and-- - Oh God. My friend Ed was like, I won't sleep over because I'm spooked by this house's vibe. He went upstairs and on one of the beds was a doll.

40:03 Yes, a freaking doll. An old-fashioned porcelain doll. - Mm. - And I looked at my friend's friend and said, this spooky beautiful house, of course, needs a haunted looking doll on a bed. - It doesn't need that. - All the house is needed. - It's already haunted enough. - Oh, stop it. Oh, stop it. He looked at me and said there is no doll on the bed. What? Okay, did not see that coming. - The only thing worse than a creepy doll is a creepy doll haunting.

40:44 - Is it a ghost of the doll? Or... (sighs) - I don't know, oh my gosh, okay. I didn't see that coming. I was like shocked. - I just-- - I just-- - Yeah, I just-- - Honestly, I don't wanna see that coming. I don't wanna see it coming or going. That's where I met. (sighs) Gonna plug my phone in in case we lose power. It's not moving away from us. - I shit you not. When I looked back again, there was no dandall on the bed. - Well, great. So now you are fine. Now everything is fine. He said, "I have two dolls in my room on a chest of drawers.

41:30 When I saw those dolls, they were not the doll I saw." Okay, that's good, maybe. - Okay. - I looked at the medium and said was his daughter's-- - Oh! - Yeah. - I looked at the medium and said that was his daughter's room, wasn't it? I feel like she has like flashing back in his time like having time warps. - And listen, this is positive because otherwise we're looking at more of a chucky situation which is that, that's my true trigger. - So this is the daughter. - That's just there because it was a little girl's room. - It was loved. - And she wanted her to see her beloved doll and the room the way it was. - That's just like that.

42:11 It's an old mad TV sketch where he's like, "Well, what I didn't do." (laughing) - Old, oh my God. - I mean, I've only seen that on reruns. - Do it. - And basically a fetus. - Do it. - Do it. - Let me do it. Let me do it. - So the medium nodded yes to the question of what's at the daughter's room. At this point, I did not know the sex of these children, a girl and a boy. Then, oh, he said-- - There was more than one child. - Yeah, there was, yeah, two children. - Oh, really? - Yeah, his wife and children passed it, so. Oh, God. - Oh, okay. - That's awful. - Okay.

42:52 - Okay. - Shh. - He then told me about what he hears at night and he's seen some things. I've seen some things. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I was like, "You need to get a colonial style, "porsche and doll and put it on the bed." And the medium said, "See, I told you the same thing." So they both had told him. So she was like a medium too. Maybe that's part of her medium. - Okay. - She just sees it. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. - Interesting. - I mean, could your medium should be that you just feel stuff? - Yeah, there's different layers. - There's like, - like, clairvoyant, clair audience.

43:34 Like, when you hear things, - Ah! - Interesting. - The other ones, I don't know the other. - I get mad. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know, shit. - I don't look into shit about shit because I'm scared of that shit. - Google the layers. - I mine is annoying because I just know things and that's really annoying because I gaslight myself constantly. I trick myself and don't say that 'cause it's like not true. Just like don't say it. And then someone else will say it. And I'll be like, "Fuck, I was gonna say that and then no one's ever gonna believe me." - Yeah, yeah. - I'm trying, I'm trying. - You're like suppressing it because you're like, I don't know, that's, is that a weird thing to say? - How would I ever know that? - Yeah, how could I possibly know that?

44:15 He heard boots walking in the halls pacing. - I don't like that. - He had heard the noise of ropes creaking, children laughing and also crying. - Also, no. - He saw multiple times a, this is Caitlin's word, a visit. (laughing) - I like to-- - I'm a lady sitting in a chair looking out the window, holding the curtain open with her hand. - Ooh. - It was like, there is zero chance I'd live here or sleep over. - Zip. - Yeah. - Zero. - That's fair. That's the appropriate response. - Okay, I said nope several times, so I'm gonna need everyone to drink. - Drink up.

44:56 - We did sit it out in his garden and have refreshments after all of this. I was invited back. I was like, nope. (laughing) - Well, listen to them rules. They do a candlelight Christmas tour as well. I wanna go. - Okay, that does sound cool. - Yeah, it does sound cool. - I was pretty done at this point and I'd had a headache. - Oh no. The medium said a cleansing per-over-me. I never went back to that house, ever, never, ever. Get more wine. (laughing) - Thank you for the wine reminders.

45:36 - Yeah, that's really helpful. - It is. - Okay, so that's the end of that story. - Oh my God. - All right, are you ready for Genie's third story? Third time as a charm. - I was thinking that. - I think what they say. - Or say kick. - Or just Irish. (laughing) - Or just literally say that all of the time. - Yeah. (whistling) - If you haven't, nope, right out yet. Here we go. I am back in Northern New England. It is early 1990s before we lived in North Carolina. My former mother-in-law's house was haunted, or so they claimed, while I was dating my ex-husband, I didn't see her here anything.

46:24 The old basement was creepy. - Mm-hmm. - As they tend to be. - Well, against creepy or this one. - Okay. - They show me. - They show me. - They show me. - They're the feedback of, 'cause my daughter's going again. - You're not going to like this. - I think I'm so excited. Yay for me. - Don't make that face. - Hold on, hold on, hold on. Hold on, this is crazy. Weird. Okay, this is weird. (laughing) Okay. They showed me a stone they found that resembled a grave stone. We called him Mr. Smith. - Just for for... - Stop it. - Do you wanna know the name on one of the headstones I cleaned today? - Take just like a wildest guess.

47:04 - Well, it is the most common last name in the history of ever. - But still, that's weird. - I cleaned a headstone that was Alfred Smith. Alfred? Alfred? - Alfred Smith. - Mr. Smith. - Mr. Smith. - How did it like, I didn't read this. I didn't know I was going to be cleaning a Smith headstone. - And literally talking about Mr. Smith's head, this is weird. I know it's a common name, but still. - Yeah, no, I mean you're right. 'Cause honestly, who could have predicted that we would be reading this story on the day that you went and cleaned headstones? 'Cause obviously, you know, I don't read these in advance.

47:48 - Yeah. - 'Cause I'm only gonna do this shit once. (laughing) - Well, I mean theoretically, I could have pre-read this when I went, I'm gonna find a Smith headstone, but like, I didn't. - I know, well lately we've kind of been trying to do more of a cold reading with them. - I like it better. - Yeah. - Yeah. - 'Cause then I'm surprised, I'm not an actress, okay. That was like a real surprise shock on my face, you guys. - No, didn't we already talk about how the feelings, they just like happened on the face. - Okay. - So anyway. We called him Mr. Smith. - They said they moved it once out of the area and all sorts of bad things happened until they put it back in that area.

48:34 It is a dirt and stone floor in that old corner of the basement. - Uh-huh. - It's typical of the area and original age of the house. - So how? - To have like those kinds of floors, I guess. - Very old. - The house had been extensively remodeled and added on to, so they could have built on overtop of someone's grave and they could have not known, you know. - No, they would never do that. - Mm-hmm. - Yeah, for eight, they would never. - They would never happen to that. - That's not a thing. You don't pay over grave stones and put it parking lots. - Huh. - Is that the song? - It's no, it's a cemetery.

49:15 - Paradise. - It's a parking lot. - Not, it has nothing to do with cemeteries, how dare you. - It does now. We had moved back to the area. I went down into the basement alone, which I hated. - Why? - To get a roast for her former mill, mother and law. - Am I out? Am I out? - How about I set it wrong? Mother and law, mill, if you're nasty. - If you're nasty. (laughing) - There is a creaky door at the top of the stairs and the light switch is inside the door. I had to close the door at the top of the stairs behind me, which is unsettling. - Uh-huh. - I am digging around in the chest freezer, looking for the roast, when all of the overhead lights went out.

49:59 - No. - How freak would it be if the power went out right now? - Oh my God. - Fucking divorce. - Okay, I know, obviously, from context, this is your ex-husband. - Maybe this is why. - Yeah. - She's like, "Divorce! Divorce, too much bad energy. - Yeah. - Divorce. The door at the top of the stairs never opened and the other switch I could see. The house's power breaker was within my line of sight. I tried to reason out of why the overhead lights were out. I am holding the roast and holding the freezer open because it was the only light on down there. Oh. - Okay. - So I got the roast in the door.

50:40 - Yeah. - That's not gonna be very much light. - She freaking throws a roast at this ghost. I'm gonna die. I'm gonna die. - Is she gonna throw a roast? - I don't know, I really hope so. I hope so. I'm trying to find my spot, so I can keep reading. - Okay. But what if the ghost makes the roast taste weird? - Like it goes through the ectoplasm taste on it? - Yeah, it tastes like sulfur. Oh, that would be a demon. But you know, what it's like. - It could be a demon in the basement. - Could it be? That's a very demony place. - But if there was a headstone down there, it's probably a person.

51:21 Okay. I don't know. She's holding this frozen roast. - Can the freezer open? She goes, "Lost my temper, I started yelling at Mr. Smith. If I break and fall my neck, trying to get this light switch, my dying words will be very me next to Mr. Smith. And you will be stuck with me for all of you turning in. The light suddenly came back on, so it worked. You just yell at him and tell him what's going on. - What? - Don't it. That was funny. - Yeah, definitely first step. Tell the ghost what you want. They say again, the door to the stairs was never opened. So they went shaking out of the basement.

52:03 But I now knew how to handle Mr. Smith. - I met you, Dan. - So did Angelina. - I was just shut the fuck up. - Mr. and Mrs. Smith? - We're like on the same brain way. - We actually just have the one brain. Like just one of us is borrowing half of it. - From time to time. - Yeah. - That's what happens. - Yeah, I feel like that's why-- - I feel like that's why-- - Don't when I leave. (laughing) I was like, that's why sometimes when we're together, we're like, "Bro, whoa." 'Cause we know things. How do we know? (laughing) - I have several stories about that house and him. I am no longer part of that family and the house was sold.

52:45 I sure hope he's nice to the new owners. - Oh my gosh. - I should have left a little sticky note on the stone thing. Don't move me. Just be firm with me. Tell me what you want. So she says, "I did research on him." He was buried two towns away. He did survive the Civil War and lived for years after. But are you ready for this? The part of North Carolina where we ended up living for a time was the area where he fought and was stationed and possibly was a prisoner of war there. - Stop it. - Is it a coincidence? I don't know. So sure. - Yeah, me either.

53:26 - Have a creepy ass day. Big hug. - Jeannie. - So was his name actually Smith though? If you researched. - I don't know. - Mr. Smith. Oh wow. Okay. Yeah. That was super interesting. - Yeah. - 'Cause you didn't see anything that time that like disappeared. It was. - Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah. - It was the lights were on the old time and you just slipped into the past where there was no electricity. - That's like the fucking twilight zone. No thank you. - What if that's what happened? - I don't believe it. - No. I don't. - You're just like anything you were touching went with you to the past.

54:06 - Thank you. - So like the freezer and the roast. - Nope. - She's the one that DMmed me just briefly as an aside. She said, "Hey ladies, for a couple months on my Spotify, I couldn't see any new episodes. The absolute horror." - What the heck? - I know. Today I logged out and back in and saw all the episodes I need to catch up on. I was also following you and it said, "I wasn't." If you lost listeners, something weird happened. - Yeah, I think everyone fucking, everyone's fucking with shit.

54:50 - Yeah. Yeah, between the Apple, Shanaean again, and then I was like, "Oh, I wasn't aware of the Spotify stuff being like, like this is crazy." I had heard there have been some weird buggy stuff with Spotify around, I think kind of a similar timeframe, but holy fucking shit. She says, "It didn't happen to others that I listened to." - They're probably paying for that. - Needless to say, you ladies will be my co-pilots for my commute. I can't wait to catch up.

55:30 Thank you for all the episodes. - With a kissy face. - Thank you. - In case we were like, what's more? - I'm gonna sound it out and I'm a visual learner. I appreciate that you appealed to all of the potential learning styles essentially. She was like, "I didn't touch you," and say, "Wah." I guess that's the one, maybe. - Covet safe. - Yeah, exactly. Okay, so I had responded and let her know. I was like, "Wow, wasn't super aware that things were going awry with Spotify?"

56:12 So that's great. - Great. - You know, Tony, the Tiger style. - All those festivals. - Yeah. - All the things that we did. Yep. But we're meeting new people every day and telling them about our podcast. - Yeah. - And you are too. - It's true, right? - Do it. Please. For the love of God. - I would make her hands, but I'm scared the computer will freeze. - I know, yeah, we couldn't do it. - I'm trauma-dumbed. - We have to not use our hands. And so then this is about a week after the wedding. I got a DM from Jeannie saying, "Ladies, I sent you an email of three of my creepy stories.

56:54 Make sure Caitlin doesn't read them first." I put a warning on them, have some wine and buckle up. Big hugs. Keeps staying spooky. Goose emoji. - Oh. - And I said, "Ha ha, I saw it. Good thing I read the subject. So much wine." So excited to read them. Send us your address if you would like some stickers. And she did. I'm not going to read you her address. - She's really upset. - Yeah. Hello you guys. - You're in the mood. - True crime. What kind of a host would I be? A bubba. - So you can trust us with your address if you would like stickers for your stories.

57:36 Just give us your address and we won't share it with people because we're that trustworthy. - We're so trustworthy. - We won't even sell it to like a mailing list company for money. You know, that we're desperate. - Honestly, we don't have enough of your addresses for it to be worth their time. One more thing I'm going to read that Jeannie said, "When these things happened or happened I used to be much more spooked and freaked out by it." Now I'm like, "Okay. What do you have to tell me? Because I hate to say you get used to it, but you sort of do." And there are a couple of emojis here.

58:16 I'll normalize my trauma. Cheers, creepy people. And I'll... - You just get used to seeing dead people, you know? - Yeah, you just sort of do. You just sort of do. - Do. - I do. - A little bit. I don't know. I haven't really seen a lot of dead people. - Yeah. - I think you feel them. - You feel them. I just know things. - I think I get some flashes. I think I get like the dark, like a shadowy presence in like the corner of your, in like in your peripheral. I almost texted you earlier because I was like, "Listen, I don't know if it's because you're at a cemetery today."

58:59 And like I can feel that. But like, I was just kidding when I said don't rush over because actually I'm starting to get real freaked out. Molly was barking. - Oh. - She was like barking off and on for like a... It started like kind of an isolated thing. And then about 10 minutes before I left, go to Trader Joe's, she got real burky. And it was just very sporadic. So I'd come out and be like, "What the fuck?" And she was also staring in a weird... She moved to a different spot and she was still staring off into the middle distance, into a weird spot.

59:40 And I was like, "Listen, I have had enough of your shit today. You are a literal bitch because I'm talking to my female dog." Also she was being kind of a bitch. She was really freaking me out. I almost texted you like, "Are you ready to come over yet? Because actually I'm getting kind of freaked out." - I'm wondering like I know it was way earlier, but I'm wondering if she was like sensing the electrical change in the air from like the storm coming in. - You know, I didn't really think about that until now. Or it could have charged something up from the scene. - Also that, yeah. - And static electricity. - Honestly, before we even had like the thunder and lightning inhale.

1:00:25 - Was there a bug on my head? - What? - Was there a bug on my head? - I don't think so. Why? - It's a static electricity and then I felt like my hair knew this. - Wait, like that? - I felt like it went like that. - No, no, don't say that, don't say that. - Don't say that. - Don't say that. - I'm telling you, I'm gonna show me a note too. - I'm gonna show you a note too. - I'm gonna show you a note too. - I'm gonna show you a note too. - I'm gonna show you a note too. - I'm gonna show you a note too. - I'm gonna show you a note too. - I'm gonna show you a note too. - I'm gonna show you a note too. - I'm gonna show you a note too. - I'm gonna show you a note too. - I'm gonna show you a note too. - I'm gonna show you a note too. - I'm gonna show you a note too. - I'm gonna show you a note too. - I'm gonna show you a note too. - I'm gonna show you a note too.

1:01:10 - I'm gonna show you a note too. - I'm gonna show you a note too. - I'm gonna show you a note too. - I'm gonna show you a note too. - I'm gonna show you a note too. - I'm gonna show you a note too. - I'm gonna show you a note too. - I'm gonna show you a note too. - I'm gonna show you a note too. - I'm gonna show you a note too. - I'm gonna show you a note too. - I'm gonna show you a note too. - I'm gonna show you a note too. - I'm gonna show you a note too. - I'm gonna show you a note too. - I'm gonna show you a note too. - I'm gonna show you a note too. - So we're using the mushroom spirit or a cold deck that Katelyn got me for my birthday. - For your birthday. - Yeah, for your birthday. - I was like, what was the most recent holiday? - Holiday. - Why are we celebrating a thing? - Do we need a reason to celebrate me though? - No. - Oh. - Okay, did you think about the creepy stories?

1:01:50 The three creepy stories? - Totally. - Ooh. - Ooh. - Blue pink hill. Okay. Do you have your mushroomy interpretation? - It's number 18, it looks like. - Okay. - We have a little mini tarot card sitting here which is what we put in our thank you cards for the Patreon. - Thank you. - Okay, I have no idea how to pronounce the scientific name of this mushroom. I would say, and to Lama, Hawks' Deteria.

1:02:30 - Lama's and Hawks. - Yep. Lama's and Hawks. It is a blue pink gill. And I think this counts as our keyword. It's listed as a rarity. It's also inedible and poisonous. - Yeah, rarity is the word that's on the card. - Yeah. - So you said inedible and poisonous? - Yes. - Yeah. - Yeah. You would think that's redundant. Poisonous equals inedible. - But you know what? - Technically this is poison, too. - Okay. - You know? - I don't know. - Everything is a spectrum mushroom science.

1:03:12 - Mushroom science. - So what does it say? - Featuring on the New Zealand $50 note is the blue pink gill, a small blue mushroom native to the country. It can be found in forests throughout New Zealand, residing among the leaf litter of broad leaf or pothacorp, pothacarp trees. - Oh. - With such a distinctive cobalt blue, it is truly a sight to see. - Oh. Wow. - I was seeing a lot of sights to see in her story. - What is she like? Blue in nature is a rare sight and blue pigment even rarer.

1:03:57 - Yeah. - Rarer old jumper. - Plants don't normally exhibit blue in nature and generally have no blue pigment in them to create the blue color. The color is created by their structure that reflects the blue light wave, giving the impression it is blue. Blue pink gill, on the other hand, actually has three azure-ing pigments that make up its stunning color. - Oh. - So, wow. - A lot of blue. - Is an illusion. - Yeah. - Well, I'm sorry. I was thinking like a lot of blue things are like an illusion, it was saying.

1:04:39 - Yeah. - And this one is actually blue. - It actually has blue pigment. - It's very interesting because her seeing these visions of things, it's like, is it an illusion? Is it actually there? Is she seeing an illusion? - Okay. This is really interesting though. Scientists are not sure why the mushroom needs to be blue. But generally, everything has a reason. - Oh. - It seems this mushroom has chosen blue for a reason we are yet to determine. Much like why any of the things in these three stories.

1:05:24 - Yeah. It made me think of like the rarity of being blue is kind of the rarity of this gift. - Yeah. - It's like a gift that she has. - Yeah. - She's used to it now, so maybe she can refer to it as a gift. I don't know how you feel about it. - Yeah. - It's not common. And even seeing stuff like that is even less common, I feel like. - Oh, yeah. I definitely agree. And maybe there's a reason for it. - Maybe there's a reason. - She could write a story. - Yay! - Welcome. - These were good ones though. Very, very good. It may be that herbivores are not attracted to blue and therefore leave the mushrooms alone.

1:06:09 But there may be other reasons. It's true though, because I mean, any herbivore that's eating all of these plants that are stereotypically green all day long, they're gonna look at something that's blue and go, "Mm, yeah, I don't know if I should put that in my mouth." - Yeah. - It is also poisonous though, right? - It is. - So are they looking out for these other creatures too? - Um, I-- - Like, they don't eat me in poison. Also, like, don't kill me. - Yeah, I mean, that is a protective element of the plant, I think. - Yeah. - Which can first the blue or the poison. - Mm. - I don't know. - Interesting.

1:06:49 - Okay, card meaning. Being a rarity doesn't necessarily mean that people fail to notice you. In fact, it can be quite the opposite, as seen in the blue pink gill. Standing out can be beautiful when you look different from everything around you. - Aww. - Or when you see everything different around you. Everyone serves a purpose, even if you don't understand what it is yet. - Wow. - Your purpose may be big, it may be small, but size doesn't equate to bigger and better.

1:07:30 - That's right. - That's right. - The motion of the ocean, as we all know. - You know, the simple act of seeing the beauty in what is in front of you has an effect on the larger scale. Do you know what your purpose is? Do you see the beauty in your rarity? - Do you, Jeannie? - We do, obviously. - Yeah. - We think it's really cool, very terrifying experiences that you have though. - Yeah. - And seeing, especially the man. - Yeah. - That like seeing someone in that state who like that actually happened to him. - I'm gonna read the rest of the interpretation.

1:08:12 - Okay. - For there are incredibly complex pieces that make up your whole. - Aww. - Rarity is beautiful, and rarity is not always unique. There will always be others just like you. - So you can still find your people. - Aww. - You're creepy people. That's us. - Yeah. - By being rare, you deter what you don't want finding you. - Aww. - You stand untouched by those who would normally try to take you down. You go unnoticed to some, but notice to others.

1:08:56 - That's cool. - Oh, I just got to. - Yeah. - Blue was always a hard color to come by in olden days. And therefore, something only royalty could obtain. - Huh? - What is your uniqueness? And how can you utilize it to stand out in a sea of the same? - I love that. - I love that too. - Yeah, the visual of that. - Specifically with the blue. And tall and proud and enjoy being something special. Oh, these mushrooms are so cute. - They're really cute. - They are cute.

1:09:36 - Is it weird to have a crush on a mushroom? - No. - They're so cute. - They're so cute. - I just keep for fading what you're saying. - No, they're really, they are though. They're very, they're very like, dainty, they're like very like. - I don't know who Jeannie, I don't know Jeannie. - Well, but I feel like, did these mushrooms represent you? - Do you like the color on the limb? - I don't know. - Do you like the color on the limb? - Yes. - Do you know Jeannie? - I know a few more things that the rest of you don't. Just from context, I'm gonna say, I feel like this resonates for me with Jeannie. I don't know.

1:10:16 I can be wrong, maybe I'm crazy. - Definitely the cute part if anything. - Yeah. - Exactly. - I don't know. - You'll have to let us know if Lou means anything to you of any of this resonates with you. And we will definitely send you stickers for your story, which we do for anyone who gives us a story. Let's just read it and give us their address because we're not, we're not that psychic. - We're not trying to intuit that. - Yeah, it's just too much. There's only so many hours in the day. If you want us to keep creating content, that's just not how we're gonna be able to spend them.

1:10:59 - And you can see on the altar here, we have one of the thank you cards, one of the little mini-terro envelopes that we send you with the teeny tiny card. It's so tiny, so don't lose it when you open it. Now, I realize some of you are familiar with how tiny that I am in terms of stature. Look at that. - I'm a giant. - It's a widow. I'm a giant. Holds like a tiny little derroga. - Yeah, so I think I said earlier, I just reached in the bag and ruffled around until I found one that was calling to me, thought about the stories or whatever happened today. So maybe we should read that interpretation.

1:11:39 - The Wheel of Fortune. - I think you're my am. We get that one quite frequently. I feel like, and we just always relate it back to us because we are going to be so rich, so so. - Okay. The Wheel of Fortune, it's the 10th card in the major arcana. Keywords, change, destiny, unexpected turn of events. Good luck. - I'm assuming you pulled this in the upright. - It was, yeah. - Okay. - Some decks depict the Wheel of Fortune with eight spokes, a reference to the eight pagan sabats or holidays that mark the Sun's annual passage across the sky and the ever turning cycles of life.

1:12:33 - And we got an 18. - We did. - On the mushroom. - Other decks show human or mythological figures attached to the Wheel indicating we're all tied to the Wheel of Time and subject to life's ups and downs. - Oh. - The Wheel of Time though, because I was like, I'm always saying all time happens all at once and I was saying she was going into these time warps in some sort of situations. - I didn't even think about that. - I did. - Wow. - Look at you. - Great. - Yeah. - The Rider Weight Smith deck includes winged versions of astrological symbols, which represent the four elements in the card's corners, suggesting the influence of divine forces.

1:13:25 - Consciously or unconsciously, you've put something in motion and you now have little or no control over the outcome. - I mean, that seems accurate. - Based on the stories. - Yeah, someone who sees dead people going into a bunch of haunted houses. - Yeah. - A new phase in your life is beginning. An important decision must be made or an upcoming circumstance will change your life. Destiny is at work and you have to accept whatever happens. All you can do is attune yourself to the forces operating now. The Wheel of Fortune is linked to the three fates, collectively called the Marai, I'm thinking.

1:14:12 - I feel like you say it that way every time, yeah. - That's because that's my best guess. - In Greek mythology, one spins the thread of life, the second weaves it and the third cuts it. Thus, the Wheel of Fortune is a reminder of the mysterious cycles of life, death and rebirth. And of the invisible forces that measure them out to each of us. - Damn! Damn! - You're going to be like that, Leon. - You're going to be like that, Leon. - You're going to be like that, Leon. - Shit, three stories, too. - That's true. A favorable outcome awaits you. Circumstances are changing for the better.

1:14:52 - Yeah. - The last story, is that not the one with the freezer? Circumstances are changing for the better because you left that dead way behind. I'm willing to bet you lost 160 pounds or better. - Oh. - Was the roast 160 pounds? - No, but a better axe has been lost. - Oh, I see. - I was still stuck on the roast. - I just heard roast. - I was like 160 pounds of roast, I'll be right there. - How did she hold that up and the freezer? - Even if you aren't totally aware of what you've done to initiate the process, you've started the ball rolling, or rather, the wheel turning.

1:15:40 Don't resist. These changes will promote growth and bring valuable learning experiences for you. It can be hard to stay balanced, but go with the flow and trust the process. - I feel like she's kind of doing that by just accepting it and being like, "Okay, this is the thing that happens." - Yeah. - So I'm curious what's going to happen next. - Well, tell me. - It's going to be good. - I'm telling you. - In a reading about money, this card harolds good fortune coming your way as a result of what you've already put into motion. Perhaps through a stroke of good luck, your finances improve.

1:16:21 Seize opportunities that present themselves. If the reading is about your job, you may get a lucky break. Unexpected turns of events are likely, such as meeting all my fucking God. I skipped a hard you guys. I'm scanning as I'm reading. I don't know how my brain does this, but it does. Except it, get on board. Okay, this is where we are. Unexpected turns of events are likely, such as meeting people who can help you or receiving an offer out of the blue. Weird. I'm freaking the fuck out.

1:17:02 Out of the blue, like the mushrooms. All this may appear for to this. It's all part of the grand plan for your life. We did put a lot of blue behind me too, and there's blue in yours. Yeah. I don't know. I was feeling it today, I guess, but I like to mix it up and kind of keep the colors interesting and maybe do color change. And the lapper derailleur. Yes, thank you. I always try to say it wrong. Because blue flashes. It does. Oh my gosh. I'm reading about love.

1:17:43 A new romance may begin or an existing relationship may improve. Your relationship by divorce. I think it's like the relationship with the ghosties. Yeah, maybe. I hope they improve. Yeah. Even if you don't think you've done anything to make that happen. The time is right for this change. Enjoy it. Okay, I have an extra excerpt. The weekend read. It's often linked with karma, which Wikens describe in what's known as the Wikens read. By the Wikens law, you must. In perfect love and perfect trust. Eight words, the Wikens read, fulfill.

1:18:25 And you harm none. Do what you will. What ye send forth comes back to thee. So ever mind the rule of three. Three stories. Okay, everyone only has to send us three stories at a time. Oh my god. Wow. For it to have so many number parallels with these stories when they're very disparate. Okay. Follow this with mind and heart. And marry you, meet and marry you part.

1:19:05 That happened. She married someone and she parted. Yeah, it's not that kind of marriage. No, I know. It's like, marry Christmas. To me, this is like, I think of, I think of her three stories. And I feel like it may not have felt like it was a marry, you meet. But marry your part. That's true. And it seemed like you part ways in sort of a positive way. Do you think? I think so. I think things are feeling positive. But I like it. Jeannie, you'll definitely have to let us know.

1:19:45 Yeah, please let us know. I think they're positive for us too. Just let us know that everything's okay. Girl, are you okay? You good? Yeah, definitely. Well, I talked about my story today too. I think that card 100% also applies to me. I think so. And us because you're like a part of me. Yeah. I am actually pulling up a few names that we need to shout out. I want to read these stickers first real quick. Okay. So we put little stickers on that are going out to various Patreon story people. Whoever gets them. But I thought they totally related to our story today.

1:20:27 So the one on my side says happiness can be found even in the darkest of times. If only one remembers to turn on the light. And that is Albus Dumbledore. We were talking about Harry Potter for like a second. Okay. And I'm oh my god. No, turn on the light because she lights it out on the basement. I literally didn't even think of that when I pulled that out. That's so funny. I just like grab the two clothes and I was like these I think these are late. I mean, I fully understand that you picked this one with me and Matt. And that's it's funny because it's like this. Okay. Yeah, read it.

1:21:07 Okay. Okay. I'm a leader not a follower. Unless it's dark, then you're going first. And that is motto that I live by. Yeah. Yeah, I definitely picked not thinking about you and not the fact that she was like in the dark too. I feel like that's a super like empathic like feels this book. Yeah. Leo. Like it's very specific. It's so niche. It's so like, look at me. I'm such hot shit unless it's scary. Well, before we skiddattle out of here, we have a couple of Patreon shout outs to do.

1:21:49 I mean, I think for as a few. For as a good number and how many like free ones have we had like. Oh my god. Just out taste test us a little bit, you know. I was blown away the other day. I was like, holy shit. We have so many people that are like checking out. And free members. Yeah. By the way, we will not be naming individually all of the people that are doing like the free membership and like trying it out. We just can't. It's so many names. So here your name come out of our beautiful lips. You're sorry. Yeah. Listen, time is money and I don't.

1:22:29 Well, let's get this going. I know we got to go go go go. The first person gave us money is Sheila who subscribed at the creepy people tier, which is a dollar. And she did the annual membership. So you pay it all at once. You get committed to a full year with us. Who wouldn't want to do that. Hello. Put a ring on it. And it's like a little bit discounted, right? It is. Yeah, it's a discount. Yeah. So thank you Sheila. Sheila. She shows down by the she shore. Oh. In her she shows. Yeah. We've done this.

1:23:09 She she she. Listen, you know what? It's new to us every time we sit down at these desks. So if we've done it before we have no recollection. We are goldfish and I'm going to be honest. I have to assume that's part of our charm. I feel like you guys are too. Yeah. So that's fine. You could just read, listen to every episode. Like a bunch of times. Okay. So we have Caroline. Ooh. Caroline. Caroline. Like from New Girl, like Nicksex Girlfriend Caroline. Totally. And like the subject of many many many many many songs. Sweet Caroline.

1:23:51 Ba ba ba. [laughs] Um, she is joining us at the creepy people tier. And she too. I subscribe for a whole year. All the way from across the bone. What? Uh huh. Hi. Hey. Sorry about the terrible accents. I know what it is. I spent like three days in London and I was like, I'm never leaving. But you did. And then I did. I know. I'm a monster. Shh. I want subsettin Caroline to let us know how often people sing sweet Caroline at her.

1:24:33 Because I feel like she might hate us after that. Sorry about it. You already committed to the full year. We do it from love. Yeah. Also, are you across the pond stone? I'm very curious. Because we don't get a lot of data. Okay. And I don't want to make it creepy. And we're not going to share too much with anybody else. Obviously. But I want to know how you found us. The internet. What? Uh huh. Yeah. You and everybody else. Tell me more. Yeah. Let us know. Let us know. We also have Bethany joining our ranks. She is a monthly subscriber at the creepy people tier.

1:25:17 Thanks, Bethany. Hi, Bethany. I've always kind of liked the name Bethany. I do too. Yeah. I like it. I don't know. Do you go by Beth ever or is that more like a bell in Elizabeth thing? Yeah. I think I, if my name was Bethany, I think I would probably go by Beth. Yeah. Oh, really? I was like Bethany. I mean, I do too, but a lot of times people shorten it up, right? Yeah. It was like three syllables, right? Yeah. I did clap in my head. Yeah. Huh? Anyways. Bethany! Okay. Next we have Sue, who signed up as an annual member.

1:25:59 Another one at the creepy people tier. Oh, love tier. So we have a lot of creepy people who have just committed to a year with us. Great. I mean, yeah. I'm over here like DJ Khaled. Sue, what's up? You know, another one. I don't know. Listen, there's a reason I'm not a, I'm not trying to make a rap career flourish. I gotta go. I know. I know. She's like, I gotta get a hold hostage here. I'll take a bye-bye. Sue, save me. Help me out of here. Thank you all so much for joining our Patreon.

1:26:41 If anyone else interested, you can find the link to that in our link tree, which is always in the show notes. It's on our Instagram. It's everywhere. It's everywhere on everything. We have a website. Just type in the NW Johansson homicides into Google. It'll take you to the website and to everything. Yes. And the name of the show. So easy. So easy. Even a caveman could do it. Talked about you insulting them. Oh, I thought you were going to be a little bit worried about like if that was like trademark infringement with. I don't know. Maybe. Well, I guess we'll see what happens. If we get sued, bring it back to Sue. Sue. Listen, we can tie any two things together.

1:27:23 We need are very good at connecting the invisible strings. Indeed. Indeed. Although this one I feel like some of this was just, I'm like, listen, okay, you don't have to be woo-woo, but you got to admit. That was kind of crazy. You got to admit. Come on. Well, let's, we should get out of here before anything else. Crazy. Crazy. I know I think the thunder and lightning is pretty much. Yeah. It's a non-event now. Yeah. I'm going to calm down a little bit. All the creepy stories were done and I was like, all right, well, I guess you don't need me anymore. Yeah. Have a creepy ass day. See you next Tuesday.

1:28:04 See you next Tuesday. Unless I get hit by a hillstone. Oh, we were. Okay, listen, they're not that big, but like they're pretty big. They're pretty big. They could knock you out. If they hit you right in the table. It's a hit. Yeah. Not just hat racks, we are. No, we're sharing the same hat rack. Oh my God. I was going to say, um, we'll see you next Tuesday, unless we are from the past and you're seeing us in a time slip just real quick. And then you, you slip back into your future and then you don't see us anymore. Okay, great. Yeah.

1:28:45 Everyone else have a good day. I don't actually really do. I feel like we should have stuck with mine. That was scary. I like mine. Okay. Okay. We'll end on scary. All right. Should I do a trigger warning? Oh my God. Okay. Let's get used to maybe profan, baby love. Oh my goodness. Bye. Thank you guys. But for real, so goodbye. Unless you're going to do it. I'm not a good player. Unless you're going to do it. pnwhauntsandhomicides.com