When Darkness Calls Part Two

1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,000 We continue our journey through the woods deeper into the darkness. 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:11,960 We still hear its soft and ticing, an unmistakable voice calling to us. 3 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:15,440 We keep walking as we ponder how to respond. 4 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,160 We can hear the sound of something moving in the bushes. 5 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:20,680 We cannot see what it is. 6 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:27,440 We quicken our pace, eager to reach the clearing where the final six podcast hosts are waiting. 7 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:32,120 We finally reach the clearing and we see them gathered around a campfire. 8 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:37,360 They are the ones who alleed us into those darkest corners of the human psyche and the 9 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,360 supernatural realm. 10 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:46,200 So gather round, dear listener, as the forest darkens around us. 11 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:50,720 Sandy from Twisted Travel and True Crime is who we see first. 12 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,680 She specializes in unsolved murders. 13 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:58,240 A host whose voice is a chilling breeze on a moonless night. 14 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:04,080 Her stories will take us down dark and twisted paths where we will learn about the dark side 15 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:08,160 of human nature. 16 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,440 Rebecca Gay loved the spooky season. 17 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:14,560 Her home in Mount Pleasant, Trailer Park in Michigan stood out among the sea of tiny 18 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,680 homes because it was covered in scarecrow. 19 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:23,080 With 13 of them adorning her mobile home in tiny yard, Rebecca was excited to take 20 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:27,360 her three-year-old conway, trick-or-treating for the first time. 21 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:32,440 It was a season of first for her, as she had recently acquired her own home, a place she 22 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,280 could decorate to her heart's content. 23 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:40,240 And for Rebecca, scarecrow's were a must have for all Hallows eve. 24 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:45,400 Her journey hadn't been easy, but at age 24 things were looking up for her. 25 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:51,040 She and her fiance, Erin, were finally going to move into their very own home. 26 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:57,240 Rebecca and her son Conway bid farewell to the comfort of Erin's parents' house in August. 27 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:02,400 With the help of her extended family, they moved into the mobile home she was renting. 28 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:07,080 The move brought her closer to her workplace and to her mother's home, which was a blessing 29 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,200 for both of them. 30 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:14,240 Erin planned to join them once he found a job closer to Rebecca. 31 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:19,080 Although she lunged for Erin's presence, Rebecca knew she had to be patient. 32 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:24,040 She relied on her side of the family for support, and they were always there for her. 33 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:28,560 They attended Christ community fellowship church together, where Rebecca's mother was 34 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,240 engaged to John White, the pastor. 35 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:37,280 John became involved in Rebecca's life babysitting Conway and assisting both Rebecca and her 36 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,920 mother whenever he could. 37 00:02:39,920 --> 00:02:42,640 He even helped Rebecca set up her new trailer. 38 00:02:42,640 --> 00:02:47,720 They teased her about her spooky decorations and listened to her excitedly talk about Conway's 39 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:52,040 Halloween costume and their plans for the holiday. 40 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,840 Rebecca had arranged to work the earliest shift on Halloween day. 41 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,320 That way she would have plenty of time to pick up Conway and get him ready for trick or 42 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:00,320 treating. 43 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:07,520 However, when Rebecca didn't show up for work that morning, her co-workers grew concerned. 44 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:11,960 She was always punctual, so her absence was unusual. 45 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:16,160 They chide calling her cell phone, but it went straight to voicemail. 46 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,760 When she was afraid, they decided to check on her at her house. 47 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:24,320 Her car wasn't in the driveway, but they saw it across the street, backed into some brush 48 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,560 behind a local bar. 49 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,600 The bar was locked, as was Rebecca's home. 50 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:35,480 Growing increasingly worried, her co-workers contacted her landlord who came to unlock the 51 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,240 door. 52 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:41,920 Rebecca was nowhere to be found, but her purse sat on the kitchen table. 53 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:46,400 It was one of her prized possessions, and she wouldn't go anywhere without it. 54 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,360 Her cell phone and keys were missing. 55 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:53,840 As they searched the house, they noticed the living room carpet was mad at down, except for 56 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:58,600 one small area, and there were small red stains on it. 57 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:02,920 Alarmed, they called the police and informed Rebecca's family and friends, who immediately 58 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:04,560 joined in the search. 59 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:11,160 Thankfully, they discovered that Conway was safe and with his biological father. 60 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:15,880 The police interviewed Rebecca's family and friends, starting with Aaron, who had last spoken 61 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,120 to her the night before her disappearance. 62 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:24,400 He mentioned that they had a pleasant conversation, but when he texted her on Halloween morning, 63 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,280 she didn't reply. 64 00:04:26,280 --> 00:04:30,040 It seemed as though the message hadn't gone through at all. 65 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:35,080 This was unusual as they hadn't been fighting, and Rebecca typically charged her phone, 66 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,560 and was responsive. 67 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:42,360 The police believed Aaron's genuine concern, and cleared him of suspicion. 68 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:48,000 Next, they turned their attention to Chad, Rebecca's ex and Conway's father. 69 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:52,320 He cooperated with the police, stating that he and Rebecca had been co-parenting well 70 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,640 without any major issues. 71 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,880 He grew frustrated with the constant questioning, as he wanted to join the search for the 72 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,560 person who had taken Rebecca. 73 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:05,480 The police tended to believe him, too, leaving them puzzled. 74 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:10,440 There were no signs of forced entry at Rebecca's home, so the police concluded that Rebecca 75 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:15,240 had likely been abducted by someone she knew and trusted. 76 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:19,240 As they built a timeline for her disappearance, they discovered that Rebecca was supposed 77 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:25,040 to meet Chad at a Myers department store parking lot to exchange custody of Conway. 78 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:31,680 However, John, her soon to be father-in-law, had dropped off Conway instead, without Rebecca 79 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,720 informing Chad about the change in plans. 80 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:40,440 The investigators turned their eyes towards John, who had been actively involved in the search 81 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:45,480 efforts for Rebecca, and had willingly cooperated with the police. 82 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:49,400 They discovered that he was the pastor at the local church, and that he had reached out 83 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:54,440 to his congregation that morning, urging them to assist in the search for Rebecca, and 84 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:56,840 pray for her safe return. 85 00:05:56,840 --> 00:06:01,460 He said that he had gone to Rebecca's trailer to Baby Sit Conway that morning. 86 00:06:01,460 --> 00:06:05,820 He arrived at 630 and heard Rebecca getting ready for work. 87 00:06:05,820 --> 00:06:12,020 He fell asleep on the couch and was later woken by Conway, and Rebecca had gone. 88 00:06:12,020 --> 00:06:16,180 Given that John was the last person known to have been in Rebecca's presence, the police 89 00:06:16,180 --> 00:06:19,580 requested that he take a polygraph test. 90 00:06:19,580 --> 00:06:24,420 Initially hesitant, John eventually agreed to undergo the test. 91 00:06:24,420 --> 00:06:28,820 Since the police department in Mount Pleasant, Michigan didn't have its own polygraph machine, 92 00:06:28,820 --> 00:06:34,580 they planned to take John to the nearest one, in Lansing, approximately an hour away. 93 00:06:34,580 --> 00:06:38,980 During the drive, the officer who was accompanying him, engaged in small talk, hoping to ease 94 00:06:38,980 --> 00:06:40,980 his nervousness. 95 00:06:40,980 --> 00:06:45,780 The officer asked John about his background in personal life, eventually broaching the 96 00:06:45,780 --> 00:06:49,340 topic of his concerns about the polygraph. 97 00:06:49,340 --> 00:06:53,820 John admitted he was worried because he had a criminal passed, revealing that he had been 98 00:06:53,820 --> 00:06:58,700 involved in an attempted murder case that was ultimately dismissed. 99 00:06:58,700 --> 00:07:01,740 It resulted in a two-year prison sentence. 100 00:07:01,740 --> 00:07:07,180 The thing was, John wasn't telling everything about his past. 101 00:07:07,180 --> 00:07:12,180 Unlike the scarecrows that decorated Rebecca's house, this officer had a brain. 102 00:07:12,180 --> 00:07:16,140 He pulled up John's criminal record, and to his astonishment he discovered the man who 103 00:07:16,140 --> 00:07:22,100 presented himself as a devoted preacher, had a far from saintly passed. 104 00:07:22,100 --> 00:07:28,340 In 1980, when John was just 22 years old and living with his family in Battle Creek, Michigan, 105 00:07:28,340 --> 00:07:33,900 he invited his 17-year-old neighbor, Teresa Atherton, to his basement, under the pretense 106 00:07:33,900 --> 00:07:36,700 of showing her his racetrack. 107 00:07:36,700 --> 00:07:41,660 Teresa, being a kindhearted girl, likely fained interest out of plightness. 108 00:07:41,660 --> 00:07:46,820 However, as she turned to face the racetrack, John viciously stabbed her under the right 109 00:07:46,820 --> 00:07:48,660 shoulder blade. 110 00:07:48,660 --> 00:07:55,420 With a chilling smile on his face, he continued to stab her a total of 14 times, before choking 111 00:07:55,420 --> 00:08:01,740 her, and callously uttering the words, "You're going to go now." 112 00:08:01,740 --> 00:08:09,020 Miraculously, Teresa survived this brutal attack, and John White was arrested. 113 00:08:09,020 --> 00:08:14,100 He did go to jail, and he did only serve two years. 114 00:08:14,100 --> 00:08:21,700 Passed forward to 1994, John was still married to his first wife, despite his troubled past. 115 00:08:21,700 --> 00:08:24,660 Yes, I can't explain that one. 116 00:08:24,660 --> 00:08:29,860 His wife was pregnant with their third child, when John started an affair with a co-worker 117 00:08:29,860 --> 00:08:31,940 named Vicki Wall. 118 00:08:31,940 --> 00:08:36,140 When Vicki suddenly disappeared, suspicion immediately fell on John. 119 00:08:36,140 --> 00:08:40,460 He initially denied any involvement in her disappearance, claiming he had no knowledge 120 00:08:40,460 --> 00:08:42,060 of what happened to her. 121 00:08:42,060 --> 00:08:46,260 However, when he was confronted with surveillance footage showing Vicki getting into a large 122 00:08:46,260 --> 00:08:51,260 pickup truck with a bearded man in the Meyer parking lot he admitted to meeting her, but 123 00:08:51,260 --> 00:08:53,980 insisted he was alive when he left her. 124 00:08:53,980 --> 00:08:59,300 As the detectives continued their investigation, Vicki's relatives looked for her body, convinced 125 00:08:59,300 --> 00:09:01,620 she was buried nearby. 126 00:09:01,620 --> 00:09:06,620 Their worst fears were confirmed six weeks later, when a resident stumbled upon a gruesome 127 00:09:06,620 --> 00:09:08,300 scene. 128 00:09:08,300 --> 00:09:14,340 Her body was decomposed and partially covered by a shirt and bra around her neck. 129 00:09:14,340 --> 00:09:21,100 Thoughtopsy couldn't determine the cause of death, but the pathologist believed it was a homicide. 130 00:09:21,100 --> 00:09:26,060 John was charged with murder, however, due to the lack of conclusive evidence and the difficulty 131 00:09:26,060 --> 00:09:32,580 in determining the cause of death, he ultimately pled guilty to involuntary manslaughter. 132 00:09:32,580 --> 00:09:36,300 Police believed that John's motive for killing Vicki was that she was pressuring him about 133 00:09:36,300 --> 00:09:40,220 their affair and maybe she threatened to tell his wife. 134 00:09:40,220 --> 00:09:45,460 The judge recognized John's dangerous nature and sentenced him to the maximum term of eight 135 00:09:45,460 --> 00:09:48,620 to fifteen years in prison. 136 00:09:48,620 --> 00:09:53,300 After serving nearly thirteen years he was released and relocated to Mount Pleasant, where 137 00:09:53,300 --> 00:10:00,500 he took on the persona of Pastor White, fiancee to Sally, and all around good guy, except 138 00:10:00,500 --> 00:10:02,020 he wasn't. 139 00:10:02,020 --> 00:10:05,980 If there was good in John, it was that he would eventually admit to police what he had 140 00:10:05,980 --> 00:10:09,620 done to Rebecca that Halloween morning. 141 00:10:09,620 --> 00:10:14,100 Behind closed doors he had scoured the darkest corners of the internet, immersing himself into 142 00:10:14,100 --> 00:10:17,180 poverty and feeding his dark desires. 143 00:10:17,180 --> 00:10:23,060 The screen flickered with images that fascinated and repulsed him, murder and necrophilia, 144 00:10:23,060 --> 00:10:26,780 or consistently on his mind. 145 00:10:26,780 --> 00:10:31,820 That night as Rebecca checked her son into bed and kissed him good night, she had no idea 146 00:10:31,820 --> 00:10:34,420 that it would be for the last time. 147 00:10:34,420 --> 00:10:38,700 At two in the morning she was sleeping peacefully when she was startled awake by a chilling 148 00:10:38,700 --> 00:10:41,020 sound in a sense of panic. 149 00:10:41,020 --> 00:10:46,380 She walked out of her room, her heart pounding in her chest, worried that her son was up, 150 00:10:46,380 --> 00:10:48,180 or something worse. 151 00:10:48,180 --> 00:10:53,380 In a horrifying instant John pounced on her, his face contorted with the mixture of madness 152 00:10:53,380 --> 00:10:55,660 and sadistic pleasure. 153 00:10:55,660 --> 00:11:00,900 He held a rubber mallet in his hand and with brutal force he struck her repeatedly. 154 00:11:00,900 --> 00:11:05,100 Her cries for help were drowned out by the sickening thud of the mallet as it connected 155 00:11:05,100 --> 00:11:07,220 with her head. 156 00:11:07,220 --> 00:11:11,580 Rebecca in the midst of the brutal attack recognized her assailant. 157 00:11:11,580 --> 00:11:16,780 She managed to utter the words "I know you" before John tightened a zip tie around her neck, 158 00:11:16,780 --> 00:11:18,260 strangling her. 159 00:11:18,260 --> 00:11:21,100 Then he had his way with her. 160 00:11:21,100 --> 00:11:25,940 John's true nature came to the surface in the early hours of Halloween morning, leaving 161 00:11:25,940 --> 00:11:29,700 Sally Rebecca's mother in a state of profound shock. 162 00:11:29,700 --> 00:11:33,980 Not only had she lost her beloved daughter, but she found out that she had fallen in love 163 00:11:33,980 --> 00:11:36,580 with the murder. 164 00:11:36,580 --> 00:11:40,940 In the courtroom as the judge pronounced the sentence, John gazed around the room with 165 00:11:40,940 --> 00:11:46,220 an unsettling detachment, seeming unaffected by the pain he had inflicted on Rebecca and 166 00:11:46,220 --> 00:11:48,060 her loved ones. 167 00:11:48,060 --> 00:11:56,260 The judge handed down a severe sentence, condemning him to between 56 and 85 years in prison. 168 00:11:56,260 --> 00:12:01,140 You are safe from John Douglas White this Halloween, but be aware of all the other ghosts, 169 00:12:01,140 --> 00:12:03,540 ghouls, and things that go bump in the night. 170 00:12:03,540 --> 00:12:07,220 If you'd like to hear more details about this case, I'd like to invite you to listen to 171 00:12:07,220 --> 00:12:12,340 the extended version called The Devil Disguise, the murder of Rebecca Gay. 172 00:12:12,340 --> 00:12:16,940 Thanks for listening to Twisted Travel on True Crime and for all the good things you do 173 00:12:16,940 --> 00:12:19,100 to support these podcasts. 174 00:12:19,100 --> 00:12:23,980 I wish you all fair winds following seas in the safest of Halloween nights. 175 00:12:23,980 --> 00:12:32,700 Niki and Mariah, the hosts of Body to Vereal, speak each week to experts who have seen and 176 00:12:32,700 --> 00:12:36,260 heard things that will make our blood run cold. 177 00:12:36,260 --> 00:12:42,260 Their tails are like a pair of haunting eyes, ever watching in the darkness, ready to reveal 178 00:12:42,260 --> 00:12:52,500 the truth behind the unexplained incrims, in death, and in what might happen after. 179 00:12:52,500 --> 00:12:58,620 Last week's episode, I think you're just going to be so excited about it. 180 00:12:58,620 --> 00:13:06,620 I feel like it speaks to your soul and I'm really excited for you to hear it and participate. 181 00:13:06,620 --> 00:13:12,220 We have two gentlemen joining us today, which I guess is actually another Body to Vereal 182 00:13:12,220 --> 00:13:13,820 first for us. 183 00:13:13,820 --> 00:13:16,660 We have a duo. 184 00:13:16,660 --> 00:13:18,140 We have Matthew. 185 00:13:18,140 --> 00:13:22,060 Matthew is a Chicago Fire Department firefighter. 186 00:13:22,060 --> 00:13:27,140 We have David who is a Chicago police officer. 187 00:13:27,140 --> 00:13:32,300 I'm sure you're wondering why do we have a firefighter and a police officer? 188 00:13:32,300 --> 00:13:34,380 Why am I so stressed about that? 189 00:13:34,380 --> 00:13:35,620 Yeah, right. 190 00:13:35,620 --> 00:13:36,620 Right. 191 00:13:36,620 --> 00:13:42,100 Well, the dynamic duo of Matt and David, they also have a little side hustle, which you know 192 00:13:42,100 --> 00:13:43,100 I love. 193 00:13:43,100 --> 00:13:44,100 Uh-huh. 194 00:13:44,100 --> 00:13:46,100 Hair and normal investigators. 195 00:13:46,100 --> 00:13:47,900 I love that. 196 00:13:47,900 --> 00:13:49,900 You know I love that. 197 00:13:49,900 --> 00:13:50,900 Yeah. 198 00:13:50,900 --> 00:13:51,900 What? 199 00:13:51,900 --> 00:13:53,460 Mary, all the fun stuff. 200 00:13:53,460 --> 00:13:55,980 All I want to do right now is sing the Ghost Busters. 201 00:13:55,980 --> 00:14:01,380 The fun, but I won't do that for listeners, but it's literally on loop in my brain right 202 00:14:01,380 --> 00:14:02,380 now. 203 00:14:02,380 --> 00:14:03,380 Oh my God. 204 00:14:03,380 --> 00:14:07,260 No, that is really a different side hustle than what their normal job is. 205 00:14:07,260 --> 00:14:08,260 That's incredible. 206 00:14:08,260 --> 00:14:09,260 Right. 207 00:14:09,260 --> 00:14:10,260 Actually, yes. 208 00:14:10,260 --> 00:14:11,260 So, super pumped. 209 00:14:11,260 --> 00:14:12,740 Oh, you know I love ghost stuff. 210 00:14:12,740 --> 00:14:13,740 Okay. 211 00:14:13,740 --> 00:14:14,740 Yeah, I'm excited. 212 00:14:14,740 --> 00:14:16,140 Well, let me go grab them. 213 00:14:16,140 --> 00:14:17,140 Oh, okay. 214 00:14:17,140 --> 00:14:22,020 Hello, Matthew, David. 215 00:14:22,020 --> 00:14:23,020 Can you hear us? 216 00:14:23,020 --> 00:14:24,020 This is Dave. 217 00:14:24,020 --> 00:14:25,020 Can you hear me? 218 00:14:25,020 --> 00:14:26,020 Yay. 219 00:14:26,020 --> 00:14:27,020 Yes. 220 00:14:27,020 --> 00:14:28,020 Hello. 221 00:14:28,020 --> 00:14:29,020 Hi. 222 00:14:29,020 --> 00:14:30,020 And I'm on to. 223 00:14:30,020 --> 00:14:31,020 Yay. 224 00:14:31,020 --> 00:14:32,020 Hi Matt. 225 00:14:32,020 --> 00:14:33,020 Thank you both for taking the time to talk to us. 226 00:14:33,020 --> 00:14:34,860 I appreciate you indulging in our request to have you guys. 227 00:14:34,860 --> 00:14:38,060 Nikki is obsessed with paranormal shows. 228 00:14:38,060 --> 00:14:39,060 Yeah. 229 00:14:39,060 --> 00:14:40,060 All the shows. 230 00:14:40,060 --> 00:14:43,220 And so this is really exciting for her to have you guys. 231 00:14:43,220 --> 00:14:44,220 Yeah. 232 00:14:44,220 --> 00:14:45,220 I really am. 233 00:14:45,220 --> 00:14:46,220 Awesome. 234 00:14:46,220 --> 00:14:52,820 I think the first question we have to get out of the way is how did this come about? 235 00:14:52,820 --> 00:14:59,780 I call it a side hustle, but how did you guys go from being firefighter, police officer to 236 00:14:59,780 --> 00:15:02,900 deciding to investigate paranormal activities? 237 00:15:02,900 --> 00:15:04,940 How do you even get into that? 238 00:15:04,940 --> 00:15:05,940 What sparks the idea? 239 00:15:05,940 --> 00:15:07,700 Well, Matt, do you want to start? 240 00:15:07,700 --> 00:15:08,700 Yeah, sure. 241 00:15:08,700 --> 00:15:14,180 So me and Dave met Dave had already been investigating and I was actually out on the street 242 00:15:14,180 --> 00:15:16,180 with the fire truck. 243 00:15:16,180 --> 00:15:20,100 And I was acting for Make a Wish, you know, Shake the Bood, collect the money for kids and 244 00:15:20,100 --> 00:15:21,100 stuff like that. 245 00:15:21,100 --> 00:15:25,620 And David rolled up in the what we call Misty, which is our command center. 246 00:15:25,620 --> 00:15:26,620 I saw his police shirt. 247 00:15:26,620 --> 00:15:29,840 Now you know, like what kind of special, I thought it was like a special unit with the Chicago 248 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:30,840 police department. 249 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:31,840 So I'm like, Oh, what's going on here? 250 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:32,840 Who are you? 251 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,620 And he goes, I'm not sure if you believe it or not, but I'm a paranormal investigator. 252 00:15:35,620 --> 00:15:37,100 And I'm like, get out of here. 253 00:15:37,100 --> 00:15:43,500 You know, we had like two, like maybe 30 seconds to a minute to actually converse because 254 00:15:43,500 --> 00:15:45,420 it was like the light had turned green. 255 00:15:45,420 --> 00:15:47,700 He was off to his, one of his other jobs. 256 00:15:47,700 --> 00:15:50,380 I went back to collecting and I thought about it later. 257 00:15:50,380 --> 00:15:51,460 I sent Dave an email. 258 00:15:51,460 --> 00:15:52,460 I looked them up. 259 00:15:52,460 --> 00:15:56,220 I looked up all his evidence and I had been interested in the paranormal. 260 00:15:56,220 --> 00:15:57,700 Never really did any investigations. 261 00:15:57,700 --> 00:16:02,260 So I looked up his stuff and looked them up, sent them an email, say, Hey, I'd love to join 262 00:16:02,260 --> 00:16:03,260 you. 263 00:16:03,260 --> 00:16:04,420 You know, check out an investigation. 264 00:16:04,420 --> 00:16:09,700 And I think maybe a month or two something came up and yeah, so it's been, I don't even 265 00:16:09,700 --> 00:16:11,460 know how long that's been maybe eight years. 266 00:16:11,460 --> 00:16:12,460 Dave. 267 00:16:12,460 --> 00:16:13,460 It's right. 268 00:16:13,460 --> 00:16:14,820 Yeah, last track, but something like that. 269 00:16:14,820 --> 00:16:19,300 So then how did you, I know, it's going to sound like what is that six cents like I see dead 270 00:16:19,300 --> 00:16:25,500 people, but like, how did you even get into that like where you could know how to do it? 271 00:16:25,500 --> 00:16:26,500 All that stuff. 272 00:16:26,500 --> 00:16:33,820 I've become, we've kept, I'm still skeptical of course, because that's what I have to be. 273 00:16:33,820 --> 00:16:37,020 You know, I got to be even even I am at times. 274 00:16:37,020 --> 00:16:38,780 You can't be all in paranormal. 275 00:16:38,780 --> 00:16:40,180 You got to look at both angles. 276 00:16:40,180 --> 00:16:42,300 But I have to see it to believe it. 277 00:16:42,300 --> 00:16:46,940 And then one of the first full body apparition that we captured on camera was like, it put my 278 00:16:46,940 --> 00:16:47,940 mind. 279 00:16:47,940 --> 00:16:48,940 I like it. 280 00:16:48,940 --> 00:16:51,180 I couldn't believe it because I was like, yeah, like I was there. 281 00:16:51,180 --> 00:16:52,180 I knew what was going on. 282 00:16:52,180 --> 00:16:55,180 I mean, we didn't see it physically with our eyes. 283 00:16:55,180 --> 00:16:58,780 Actually, I wasn't even in the room when it happened, but David took it to take a series 284 00:16:58,780 --> 00:17:04,540 of pictures with full spectrum camera and later on through evidence review, he finds 285 00:17:04,540 --> 00:17:06,820 this like full body shadow. 286 00:17:06,820 --> 00:17:07,820 No. 287 00:17:07,820 --> 00:17:12,500 Yeah, it almost looked like a civil war soldier or somebody in a jumpsuit. 288 00:17:12,500 --> 00:17:15,260 It was an old, it was a building that used to be used. 289 00:17:15,260 --> 00:17:16,780 And that's right. 290 00:17:16,780 --> 00:17:19,580 Yeah, the, the, the angle would alarm office. 291 00:17:19,580 --> 00:17:20,580 Yeah. 292 00:17:20,580 --> 00:17:21,980 That is so interesting to me. 293 00:17:21,980 --> 00:17:27,700 Do people call you and say, Hey, I think my house is haunted or you just kind of go to different, 294 00:17:27,700 --> 00:17:29,380 kind of known both. 295 00:17:29,380 --> 00:17:37,060 I've been in a lot of, a lot of emails all the time from Facebook messages to the website, 296 00:17:37,060 --> 00:17:39,060 emails, word of mouth. 297 00:17:39,060 --> 00:17:42,980 And you know, when I first started this, I used to try to go to all of them, but it just can't 298 00:17:42,980 --> 00:17:48,260 do it because with Matt, myself and some of the other members, you know, sometimes we've 299 00:17:48,260 --> 00:17:49,260 got to take off work. 300 00:17:49,260 --> 00:17:54,260 It's costing money, you know, using a vacation day or we can do it. 301 00:17:54,260 --> 00:17:58,780 So we try to pick and choose which ones are important or which ones we would really like 302 00:17:58,780 --> 00:17:59,780 to go to. 303 00:17:59,780 --> 00:18:04,900 And then after doing an investigation, it takes days, weeks to go through everything and 304 00:18:04,900 --> 00:18:06,500 match everything up. 305 00:18:06,500 --> 00:18:11,260 So we try to pick and choose the ones that need help, you know, the good ones. 306 00:18:11,260 --> 00:18:15,700 So because I had, I, I told Mariah this a really long time ago, but I had an apartment. 307 00:18:15,700 --> 00:18:20,740 I moved out of it two months early because I swear I was haunted and then one of my, it 308 00:18:20,740 --> 00:18:21,980 really was, I swear. 309 00:18:21,980 --> 00:18:26,940 And then one of my friends from work, she was telling me to like, sage the place and then 310 00:18:26,940 --> 00:18:29,300 she was telling me to tell it to go to the light. 311 00:18:29,300 --> 00:18:33,700 So I turned on the TV as loud as I could because I was afraid it was going to tell me 312 00:18:33,700 --> 00:18:36,700 no. 313 00:18:36,700 --> 00:18:45,460 And so I did that and nothing happened, but I got, I got a dog and after I got my dog, things 314 00:18:45,460 --> 00:18:48,820 kind of settled down a little bit, but I still moved out early. 315 00:18:48,820 --> 00:18:52,940 And then when you guys like say you went to my apartment and you're like, yeah, there's 316 00:18:52,940 --> 00:18:54,580 a creeper in here. 317 00:18:54,580 --> 00:18:57,980 What would you do to get them to try and go away? 318 00:18:57,980 --> 00:19:01,660 Well, you know, depending on what your beliefs are, there's different things you can do, 319 00:19:01,660 --> 00:19:05,300 but when it comes to like apartments, you might have to do a daily, weekly, monthly, you 320 00:19:05,300 --> 00:19:10,060 had to see what works, but usually when we cleanse our self, our equipment and stuff after 321 00:19:10,060 --> 00:19:15,020 an investigation, we use white sage, we use polisanto, holy wood. 322 00:19:15,020 --> 00:19:19,700 And then I have what is called dragons blood is basically sage, but it's, it's like a, has 323 00:19:19,700 --> 00:19:23,260 a reddish tint to it and it's a little, little more kick to it. 324 00:19:23,260 --> 00:19:24,260 Okay. 325 00:19:24,260 --> 00:19:25,260 I'll use anything. 326 00:19:25,260 --> 00:19:26,260 I'll use it all. 327 00:19:26,260 --> 00:19:27,260 It doesn't. 328 00:19:27,260 --> 00:19:33,420 I also have a frankincense and mirth that that's what a lot of the churches use, you know, 329 00:19:33,420 --> 00:19:37,100 especially when it comes to like a, you know, a funeral in a body pass. 330 00:19:37,100 --> 00:19:43,020 And if you see like the priest of the pastor with the incense going around the body and 331 00:19:43,020 --> 00:19:47,460 it can't, most of the time that's like frankincense and mirth. 332 00:19:47,460 --> 00:19:52,460 So sometimes I'll use that maybe for a spirit to go into the light to go to the next step. 333 00:19:52,460 --> 00:19:58,020 Have you ever encountered evil, I guess, because they're probably just like, you know, grandma 334 00:19:58,020 --> 00:20:03,140 that passed and she likes her house and she's hanging out or, you know, but then there's also 335 00:20:03,140 --> 00:20:06,060 the dangerous see type ones, I guess. 336 00:20:06,060 --> 00:20:07,060 Yeah. 337 00:20:07,060 --> 00:20:11,540 A few, in two I experienced it myself and like just met pretty much the same way, correct, 338 00:20:11,540 --> 00:20:15,860 until we experience their self, you know, I'll keep an open mind, but sometimes I'll 339 00:20:15,860 --> 00:20:19,100 be like, oh, that's full of beep, you know, I don't. 340 00:20:19,100 --> 00:20:23,580 But once I experienced it or it comes something close to it then I'm like, oh my God, there's 341 00:20:23,580 --> 00:20:24,580 something to that. 342 00:20:24,580 --> 00:20:25,580 Yeah. 343 00:20:25,580 --> 00:20:31,180 Yeah, there's a few cases that open my eyes that there's, looks like there's evil out there. 344 00:20:31,180 --> 00:20:37,060 And from my experiences dealing with different psychic mediums that I trust and stuff, you know, 345 00:20:37,060 --> 00:20:41,860 whatever the reason is, there's, you got earthbound spirits and then you got more sinister 346 00:20:41,860 --> 00:20:45,220 or evil stuff if that's what, you know, that's what you believe. 347 00:20:45,220 --> 00:20:46,820 That's what I'm telling you to believe now. 348 00:20:46,820 --> 00:20:47,820 Okay. 349 00:20:47,820 --> 00:20:53,860 But earthbound is just for whatever reason, the spirits did not move on to the next step. 350 00:20:53,860 --> 00:20:58,180 Whatever you decide that next step is they just stayed earthbound and then they say if you 351 00:20:58,180 --> 00:21:01,580 haven't moved on to the next step, you know, in your earthbound, you're going to be that 352 00:21:01,580 --> 00:21:03,380 same person you were when you were living. 353 00:21:03,380 --> 00:21:08,660 So if you were a crevio old man or only in your house, they might be treating you the 354 00:21:08,660 --> 00:21:10,580 same way, you know? 355 00:21:10,580 --> 00:21:11,580 Yeah. 356 00:21:11,580 --> 00:21:14,460 So I do get a lot of getouts, get out of here, get out. 357 00:21:14,460 --> 00:21:17,100 So that's probably the old man thinking I'm trespassing. 358 00:21:17,100 --> 00:21:18,100 How is that? 359 00:21:18,100 --> 00:21:22,380 Oh, yeah, like where you can hear, like where you can hear something that says like get 360 00:21:22,380 --> 00:21:23,380 out. 361 00:21:23,380 --> 00:21:24,380 Yes, they get that a lot. 362 00:21:24,380 --> 00:21:27,980 No, that has helped me and a lot of getouts. 363 00:21:27,980 --> 00:21:32,500 And when you hear, like weeks later, when you do your finish the investigation, that's when 364 00:21:32,500 --> 00:21:36,140 you're listening to the getouts, or can you hear it right then and there? 365 00:21:36,140 --> 00:21:38,100 You know, there is times. 366 00:21:38,100 --> 00:21:41,620 It's not often, but there's times, especially if you're a little more sensitive, like 367 00:21:41,620 --> 00:21:46,220 sometimes it seems like I'm able to tune in a little more than some of the other people 368 00:21:46,220 --> 00:21:51,940 where I could hear my own ears, but there's times you get to hear stuff with your own ears, 369 00:21:51,940 --> 00:21:56,300 disembodied voices that comes through strong where you don't need the frequencies of the 370 00:21:56,300 --> 00:22:00,020 voice recorders or, you know, the mics picking it up sometimes were able to hear it, but 371 00:22:00,020 --> 00:22:01,020 there's something out there. 372 00:22:01,020 --> 00:22:04,980 You know, I think it's spirits, but if not, maybe it's another dimension of some type 373 00:22:04,980 --> 00:22:10,580 or we're tapping into something, but there's definitely, you know, I say you would agree 374 00:22:10,580 --> 00:22:14,380 Matt, there's intelligent spirits or whatever you want to call it out there that can 375 00:22:14,380 --> 00:22:19,820 you communicate back and there's a trapped energy residual energy that no matter if you 376 00:22:19,820 --> 00:22:24,500 there are not, it's going to make that same noise, same footsteps, same door open. 377 00:22:24,500 --> 00:22:29,980 Is this for some reason some energy is being trapped in that area or that house or whatever 378 00:22:29,980 --> 00:22:31,700 one I call it that room? 379 00:22:31,700 --> 00:22:34,420 And you think that's they've already gone. 380 00:22:34,420 --> 00:22:39,420 Let's just say to the light or like beyond, but their energy a little bit of their energies 381 00:22:39,420 --> 00:22:40,420 there. 382 00:22:40,420 --> 00:22:45,100 So I'll give you an example of on a case that we handled. 383 00:22:45,100 --> 00:22:50,660 I don't think you were at that one, Matt, but there was a house in Wisconsin where this lady 384 00:22:50,660 --> 00:22:55,340 was complaining about a male spirit, the wheeling against the fireplace from the fireplace 385 00:22:55,340 --> 00:23:00,020 that would go down the hallway to her room, stand over her and then back to the fireplace. 386 00:23:00,020 --> 00:23:01,020 That's the route it would take. 387 00:23:01,020 --> 00:23:03,020 And she could see him. 388 00:23:03,020 --> 00:23:04,020 Yes. 389 00:23:04,020 --> 00:23:05,020 I guess the physical thing. 390 00:23:05,020 --> 00:23:06,020 Yes. 391 00:23:06,020 --> 00:23:07,020 Okay. 392 00:23:07,020 --> 00:23:11,500 So she had the same spirit at the house you lived in before. 393 00:23:11,500 --> 00:23:12,740 So she moved to this new house. 394 00:23:12,740 --> 00:23:17,460 She was our six months still experiencing that spirit among other stuff that I could get 395 00:23:17,460 --> 00:23:18,460 into later. 396 00:23:18,460 --> 00:23:24,500 But, but anyway, when we were there were investigating somehow we linked this fireplace. 397 00:23:24,500 --> 00:23:27,220 It was a fake fireplace and she was an artist. 398 00:23:27,220 --> 00:23:32,260 So she saw it on the curbside at her old place and didn't know really the history on it. 399 00:23:32,260 --> 00:23:38,020 She said, oh, this is a nice piece of art, you know, and she fixed it up and from that place 400 00:23:38,020 --> 00:23:40,660 brought it to her in her place and had this male spirit. 401 00:23:40,660 --> 00:23:46,900 So we linked that this male spirit was attached to this piece, you know, the fireplace. 402 00:23:46,900 --> 00:23:47,900 Oh, yeah. 403 00:23:47,900 --> 00:23:52,980 So that night she had a skit rid of it and from that point on she never saw it again. 404 00:23:52,980 --> 00:23:57,300 But we found out later interviewing old neighbors that the guy who made this piece committed 405 00:23:57,300 --> 00:24:00,700 suicide and this was his favorite piece. 406 00:24:00,700 --> 00:24:04,540 And then when he once he died, you know, they removed all his belongings and put them on 407 00:24:04,540 --> 00:24:07,660 the curb and earns whatever and that's when she picked it up. 408 00:24:07,660 --> 00:24:13,620 But so that that male spirit who committed suicide was attached to this favorite piece. 409 00:24:13,620 --> 00:24:14,620 This is a favorite piece. 410 00:24:14,620 --> 00:24:15,620 Yeah. 411 00:24:15,620 --> 00:24:16,620 Does that happen a lot? 412 00:24:16,620 --> 00:24:18,460 Because I've heard of that too. 413 00:24:18,460 --> 00:24:22,260 That's why my husband's like never get anything from a flea market. 414 00:24:22,260 --> 00:24:26,020 Yeah, I'm cautious myself when it comes to that. 415 00:24:26,020 --> 00:24:31,900 But they say some of the mediums that we deal with and, you know, I can't say works 100% 416 00:24:31,900 --> 00:24:38,060 they preach that if you get it by anything you use any antics, aggride sales, have a bottle 417 00:24:38,060 --> 00:24:43,860 filled with water and sea salt, a spray bottle and spray the item before putting it in your 418 00:24:43,860 --> 00:24:48,500 car and they kind of compare it to like if you're cooking with a tough land pan, how 419 00:24:48,500 --> 00:24:50,060 nothing sticks to it. 420 00:24:50,060 --> 00:24:54,020 So when you coat it with the sea salt and water, that energy is supposed to slide. 421 00:24:54,020 --> 00:24:55,020 Yeah. 422 00:24:55,020 --> 00:24:59,660 That's because that just reminded me of what I was going to ask you before was can anything 423 00:24:59,660 --> 00:25:02,460 come home with you like get attached to you. 424 00:25:02,460 --> 00:25:03,460 Yes. 425 00:25:03,460 --> 00:25:05,460 I wasn't a believer in that. 426 00:25:05,460 --> 00:25:06,460 I thought that was full of crap. 427 00:25:06,460 --> 00:25:07,460 Excuse my expression. 428 00:25:07,460 --> 00:25:14,820 But until I experienced it myself, at least a handful of times and it took that to get 429 00:25:14,820 --> 00:25:20,660 me into staging and protecting myself, family, you know, all their team members with, you 430 00:25:20,660 --> 00:25:24,380 know, staging after an investigation because it's been a handful of times. 431 00:25:24,380 --> 00:25:29,820 I think I had nothing bad, you know, even one time I had a family over from out of state 432 00:25:29,820 --> 00:25:33,940 and they experienced it too and never had a problem in my house until I, you know, started 433 00:25:33,940 --> 00:25:39,100 this and it's just something like my very first investigation where I had something follow 434 00:25:39,100 --> 00:25:40,100 me. 435 00:25:40,100 --> 00:25:45,300 I think it's something that I knew they knew I saw it or heard it and just wanted to continue 436 00:25:45,300 --> 00:25:46,300 to communicate. 437 00:25:46,300 --> 00:25:49,580 So it's tugging me, tugging my shirt. 438 00:25:49,580 --> 00:25:50,580 This is all new to me. 439 00:25:50,580 --> 00:25:54,660 I've been like a little baby to my wife. 440 00:25:54,660 --> 00:25:59,620 You know, I remember I was in the kitchen and we just had the basement already done with 441 00:25:59,620 --> 00:26:04,420 a nice family room and stuff put down there and I'm in the kitchen. 442 00:26:04,420 --> 00:26:09,420 I think I was cooking dinner and I get like three or four tugs on my shirt. 443 00:26:09,420 --> 00:26:13,780 I mean, really hard where it's pulling them like and I jump and I look, you know, and 444 00:26:13,780 --> 00:26:17,900 I look and there's no one around and there's nothing I could have got hooked on and I 445 00:26:17,900 --> 00:26:24,740 was like a Scooby-Doo, you know, running down and this is just having a meeting, you know, 446 00:26:24,740 --> 00:26:29,940 and you know, you're only human until you start experiencing it, but I was in the shower 447 00:26:29,940 --> 00:26:35,580 and I hear a male voice whispering in my ear and this was from the same investigation. 448 00:26:35,580 --> 00:26:37,620 But I jumped out like a little kid. 449 00:26:37,620 --> 00:26:41,980 I hate to admit, but I turned down the shower curtains and I was just stunned. 450 00:26:41,980 --> 00:26:44,980 I'm like, what the hell is going on here? 451 00:26:44,980 --> 00:26:51,140 So, yeah, it took that for me to start learning, you know, through the help of the psychic mediums 452 00:26:51,140 --> 00:26:56,580 we deal with how to protect myself, you know, the house, my wife, daughter. 453 00:26:56,580 --> 00:27:00,880 Yeah, the last thing I want to do is bring something home and then have them, you know, being 454 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:01,880 bothered with stuff. 455 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:06,060 So, you know, it's a matter of telling them, okay, I know you're here. 456 00:27:06,060 --> 00:27:07,060 You're not welcome. 457 00:27:07,060 --> 00:27:08,060 It's time for you to leave. 458 00:27:08,060 --> 00:27:13,500 You know, very respectful because you know, it could be someone's mother, father, grandfather, 459 00:27:13,500 --> 00:27:14,500 whatever. 460 00:27:14,500 --> 00:27:19,180 And also, talk to you like you and I are talking and just, you know, sometimes you have to give 461 00:27:19,180 --> 00:27:24,580 it demands and then go through the process of the staging every room, every corner of the 462 00:27:24,580 --> 00:27:29,140 room and, you know, there's certain ways of doing things and, you know, tell it to leave 463 00:27:29,140 --> 00:27:31,100 and it was no problem. 464 00:27:31,100 --> 00:27:32,860 I never experienced it again. 465 00:27:32,860 --> 00:27:34,420 Does it usually leave? 466 00:27:34,420 --> 00:27:36,420 Like, well, is that normal? 467 00:27:36,420 --> 00:27:39,180 Like for it to go with doing all those steps? 468 00:27:39,180 --> 00:27:40,180 Yeah, it depends. 469 00:27:40,180 --> 00:27:47,140 They say, and like I said, I can't prove this, but this is what I've been told, you know, 470 00:27:47,140 --> 00:27:51,940 for people in that field, the psychic mediums that go to cleansing, you know, cleansing 471 00:27:51,940 --> 00:27:57,900 homes and stuff, they say you can't force an unwilling earthbound spirit to leave. 472 00:27:57,900 --> 00:28:01,340 Either things you could do to decrease its energy with staging. 473 00:28:01,340 --> 00:28:05,420 You might maybe force it out of the house, but it could possibly come back. 474 00:28:05,420 --> 00:28:08,460 This is why you got to continue. 475 00:28:08,460 --> 00:28:15,340 Melissa and Daniel from Tildeth, DOS Partt podcast, study the murders, myths and legends of the 476 00:28:15,340 --> 00:28:16,340 world. 477 00:28:16,340 --> 00:28:21,940 They bring revealing tales of restless spirits that drift through the darkness, like this 478 00:28:21,940 --> 00:28:26,860 one, yearning to find their way home. 479 00:28:26,860 --> 00:28:31,620 Hello, and welcome to Tildeth, DOS Partt. 480 00:28:31,620 --> 00:28:32,940 I am Daniel. 481 00:28:32,940 --> 00:28:35,060 And I'm his lovely wife, Melissa. 482 00:28:35,060 --> 00:28:36,300 Yes, she is. 483 00:28:36,300 --> 00:28:42,960 Now I usually tell Daniel and our 11 listeners true crime cases involving couples whose 484 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:47,540 love story eventually turned into murder. 485 00:28:47,540 --> 00:28:54,060 But today I'm going to share with all of you a haunting, the haunting of the Banff Springs 486 00:28:54,060 --> 00:28:59,580 Hotel, which is now known as the Fairmont Banff Springs. 487 00:28:59,580 --> 00:29:00,580 Banff. 488 00:29:00,580 --> 00:29:03,340 Say that without spitting. 489 00:29:03,340 --> 00:29:04,540 Banffa. 490 00:29:04,540 --> 00:29:06,540 I want to go. 491 00:29:06,540 --> 00:29:07,540 Is that expensive? 492 00:29:07,540 --> 00:29:08,540 Yeah. 493 00:29:08,540 --> 00:29:09,540 Nope, I don't want to go anymore. 494 00:29:09,540 --> 00:29:16,820 This majestic hotel is located in Canada's Rocky Mountains in the heart of Banff National 495 00:29:16,820 --> 00:29:20,180 Park in Banff, Alberta, Canada. 496 00:29:20,180 --> 00:29:22,940 How many more times are you going to say Banffa? 497 00:29:22,940 --> 00:29:25,700 Hopefully no more because I can hardly say it. 498 00:29:25,700 --> 00:29:26,700 Oh my gosh. 499 00:29:26,700 --> 00:29:34,140 It was opened in 1888 by the Canadian Pacific Railway as a retreat for traveling businessmen. 500 00:29:34,140 --> 00:29:42,020 The original structure was a five-story wood frame and was able to accommodate 280 guests. 501 00:29:42,020 --> 00:29:46,460 The hotel drew its water from the nearby natural springs. 502 00:29:46,460 --> 00:29:51,660 The pipe system filled the hotel's pool with thermal spring water. 503 00:29:51,660 --> 00:29:53,020 Oh, that's kind of awesome. 504 00:29:53,020 --> 00:29:54,500 That sounds lovely. 505 00:29:54,500 --> 00:30:00,900 A luxurious oasis for only $3.50 a night. 506 00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:01,900 Deal. 507 00:30:01,900 --> 00:30:06,580 What is it $120 a day to stay there? 508 00:30:06,580 --> 00:30:07,580 It is not. 509 00:30:07,580 --> 00:30:08,580 I just looked it up. 510 00:30:08,580 --> 00:30:10,780 It's about $500 to $600 a night. 511 00:30:10,780 --> 00:30:11,780 What? 512 00:30:11,780 --> 00:30:12,780 But it is Halloween. 513 00:30:12,780 --> 00:30:13,780 It is October. 514 00:30:13,780 --> 00:30:14,780 Yeah. 515 00:30:14,780 --> 00:30:21,940 But in 1926, there was a devastating fire that burned the wooden structure to the ground. 516 00:30:21,940 --> 00:30:29,380 A new steel structure was built in its place using limestone rock from nearby Mount Rundle. 517 00:30:29,380 --> 00:30:37,380 The Banff Springs Hotel was built by the workmanship of hundreds of Italian stone cutters and Scottish 518 00:30:37,380 --> 00:30:38,880 stone masons. 519 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,540 So it's quite a structure now. 520 00:30:40,540 --> 00:30:41,540 It's gorgeous. 521 00:30:41,540 --> 00:30:43,700 Yeah, like it's not going to blow away. 522 00:30:43,700 --> 00:30:44,700 No. 523 00:30:44,700 --> 00:30:50,500 And this has helped to give the hotel its nickname of the castle in the Rockies. 524 00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:51,500 Nice. 525 00:30:51,500 --> 00:30:53,380 It very much looks like a castle. 526 00:30:53,380 --> 00:30:59,060 In the last few decades, the hotel has given way to a few ghost tales. 527 00:30:59,060 --> 00:31:01,060 And I'm about to tell you those. 528 00:31:01,060 --> 00:31:02,940 That's good because I believe in ghosts. 529 00:31:02,940 --> 00:31:03,940 No, you don't. 530 00:31:03,940 --> 00:31:04,940 No. 531 00:31:04,940 --> 00:31:07,900 Don't lie to these good people that are listening right now. 532 00:31:07,900 --> 00:31:08,900 That's fine. 533 00:31:08,900 --> 00:31:13,700 He does not believe in the paranormal or anything of that nature. 534 00:31:13,700 --> 00:31:17,420 No, so I would gladly stay in a haunted hotel because it's not going to be haunted and 535 00:31:17,420 --> 00:31:19,900 it's probably going to be my best night's sleep ever. 536 00:31:19,900 --> 00:31:23,540 Well, first we have the ghost bride. 537 00:31:23,540 --> 00:31:29,180 She's been seen dancing in the ballroom or walking up one of the marble staircases. 538 00:31:29,180 --> 00:31:32,780 Her face shrouded behind a white veil. 539 00:31:32,780 --> 00:31:37,500 It is said that this spectre is the ghost of a young woman who is due to be married on 540 00:31:37,500 --> 00:31:41,380 the hotel grounds in the early 1930s. 541 00:31:41,380 --> 00:31:47,460 When, as she was walking down the staircase to the waiting arms of her soon to be husband, 542 00:31:47,460 --> 00:31:52,660 her gown caught on fire by one of the many candles that adorn the stairwell. 543 00:31:52,660 --> 00:31:58,980 The bride stepped on the hem of her dress, causing her to lose her footing and fall forward 544 00:31:58,980 --> 00:32:02,380 to the bottom of the marble staircase. 545 00:32:02,380 --> 00:32:06,940 The bride snapped her neck in the process and died. 546 00:32:06,940 --> 00:32:13,420 The ghost bride has never left the grand hotel and she spends her night searching for her 547 00:32:13,420 --> 00:32:14,420 lost love. 548 00:32:14,420 --> 00:32:20,400 Okay, so she not only catches fire but she trips, falls and breaks her neck while her 549 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:21,620 dress is on fire. 550 00:32:21,620 --> 00:32:23,620 It's like a triple threat. 551 00:32:23,620 --> 00:32:24,940 Holy crap. 552 00:32:24,940 --> 00:32:27,860 I already forgot, but when did the thing burn to the ground? 553 00:32:27,860 --> 00:32:28,860 1927. 554 00:32:28,860 --> 00:32:31,300 Okay, so this was after. 555 00:32:31,300 --> 00:32:32,300 This was after. 556 00:32:32,300 --> 00:32:36,540 This was in the 1930s. 557 00:32:36,540 --> 00:32:43,660 The bride's haunting is so well known that in 2014, a collector coin and stamp were distributed 558 00:32:43,660 --> 00:32:48,980 to commemorate her story, but she doesn't have a name, so that's interesting. 559 00:32:48,980 --> 00:32:56,820 Their resident ghost is known by his Christian name, a Mr. Samuel McColley, a Scotsman. 560 00:32:56,820 --> 00:33:04,060 Mr. McColley was the lead Belman at the hotel in the 1960s up through the 1970s. 561 00:33:04,060 --> 00:33:10,900 He loved the hotel so much that on his deathbed in 1975, Sam said that he would return to the 562 00:33:10,900 --> 00:33:24,380 Banff Springs after his death to Haunt its halls. 563 00:33:24,380 --> 00:33:26,700 Please don't. 564 00:33:26,700 --> 00:33:31,780 Guests of the hotel have encountered this helpful and friendly bellhop, wearing an out-of-date 565 00:33:31,780 --> 00:33:36,020 bellhop's uniform with a strong Scottish brogue. 566 00:33:36,020 --> 00:33:39,340 But when offered a tip, he just vanishes. 567 00:33:39,340 --> 00:33:43,660 One of the most famous tales was that of two women who had locked themselves out of their 568 00:33:43,660 --> 00:33:45,140 hotel room. 569 00:33:45,140 --> 00:33:51,300 They headed down to the front desk and waited for the bellhop on duty for 15 minutes. 570 00:33:51,300 --> 00:33:54,300 The women decided to walk back up to their room. 571 00:33:54,300 --> 00:33:59,740 Once they were back at their door, a man in an older-looking bellhop uniform approached 572 00:33:59,740 --> 00:34:03,700 them and unlocked their hotel room door. 573 00:34:03,700 --> 00:34:06,900 They thanked the man and he happily walked away. 574 00:34:06,900 --> 00:34:09,180 I have a serious question. 575 00:34:09,180 --> 00:34:10,180 What's that? 576 00:34:10,180 --> 00:34:11,180 Okay. 577 00:34:11,180 --> 00:34:15,660 I come out in an old bellhop uniform, walk around the house. 578 00:34:15,660 --> 00:34:16,660 What do you think? 579 00:34:16,660 --> 00:34:18,140 Is that work for you or no? 580 00:34:18,140 --> 00:34:20,180 I'm not giving you a tip for that. 581 00:34:20,180 --> 00:34:21,180 Really? 582 00:34:21,180 --> 00:34:23,180 Maybe. 583 00:34:23,180 --> 00:34:24,180 All right. 584 00:34:24,180 --> 00:34:28,740 Okay, but it kind of is scary that he can just get into any room, right? 585 00:34:28,740 --> 00:34:30,620 Yeah, because there's no privacy. 586 00:34:30,620 --> 00:34:34,180 No, there's no privacy at this hotel now. 587 00:34:34,180 --> 00:34:39,900 One is also seen in his old office on the mezzanine floor, which has been converted into an 588 00:34:39,900 --> 00:34:42,180 actual guest room. 589 00:34:42,180 --> 00:34:46,460 But the saddest tale of all is that of room 873. 590 00:34:46,460 --> 00:34:48,820 I also read that it was room 875. 591 00:34:48,820 --> 00:34:51,420 Well, they're next door to each other. 592 00:34:51,420 --> 00:34:52,420 I think so. 593 00:34:52,420 --> 00:34:58,060 A young family was staying in the room and one night the husband and wife began arguing. 594 00:34:58,060 --> 00:35:02,500 The husband went down to the hotel bar and became intoxicated. 595 00:35:02,500 --> 00:35:07,700 He grabbed a large knife from the kitchen and stabbed his wife and daughter to death in 596 00:35:07,700 --> 00:35:14,820 room 873 or 875 and then turned the knife on himself. 597 00:35:14,820 --> 00:35:20,220 Guests of the room have complained of hearing disembodied screams and shrieks in the middle 598 00:35:20,220 --> 00:35:21,620 of the night. 599 00:35:21,620 --> 00:35:27,100 If they dared turn on the light, they would see bloody handprints on the bathroom mirror 600 00:35:27,100 --> 00:35:29,980 that could not be washed away. 601 00:35:29,980 --> 00:35:35,860 Due to the paranormal activity within those four walls, management made the decision to 602 00:35:35,860 --> 00:35:38,940 brick up the entrance to the room. 603 00:35:38,940 --> 00:35:45,500 Recent guests who are permitted on the eighth floor have said that there is no room 873 or 604 00:35:45,500 --> 00:35:50,940 875, even though the baseboard is cut where a door used to be. 605 00:35:50,940 --> 00:35:56,100 There is a light hanging over an empty space on the wall where a door should be. 606 00:35:56,100 --> 00:36:01,180 It is also said that if you knock on an area of the wall, you hear a hollow sound. 607 00:36:01,180 --> 00:36:07,940 A few guests have even reported seeing a young girl standing outside of a room, looking 608 00:36:07,940 --> 00:36:09,940 as if she is lost. 609 00:36:09,940 --> 00:36:15,380 Okay, so if you had a hotel, and allegedly there were a couple of rooms that were haunted, 610 00:36:15,380 --> 00:36:16,900 wouldn't you leave those open? 611 00:36:16,900 --> 00:36:20,020 And then the word would get out that those are haunted rooms? 612 00:36:20,020 --> 00:36:21,020 Yeah, I'd charge more. 613 00:36:21,020 --> 00:36:24,820 You would get a line of people wanting to stay in those, I would. 614 00:36:24,820 --> 00:36:27,300 Yeah, I'd totally keep it open. 615 00:36:27,300 --> 00:36:32,260 I did go down the Reddit hole and came across something very interesting. 616 00:36:32,260 --> 00:36:33,260 Okay. 617 00:36:33,260 --> 00:36:41,540 Reddit user TJ Smudger92 said that he used to work at the Banff Springs Hotel. 618 00:36:41,540 --> 00:36:47,060 TJ claims that all the ghost stories and paranormal activity are made up by the previous 619 00:36:47,060 --> 00:36:48,060 staff. 620 00:36:48,060 --> 00:36:49,060 There it is. 621 00:36:49,060 --> 00:36:55,060 The versions of the ghost bride were told to TJ by the hotel's former vice president. 622 00:36:55,060 --> 00:37:00,620 In 1986, a group of the hotel's colleagues set out to see who could come up with the best 623 00:37:00,620 --> 00:37:05,860 ghost story and one of them came up with the story of the bride. 624 00:37:05,860 --> 00:37:08,220 And it is still told today. 625 00:37:08,220 --> 00:37:14,740 Sam The Bellman is based on a real former bellhop who worked in the hotel for 20 years. 626 00:37:14,740 --> 00:37:18,860 The ghost was made up by the old head of the bell desk. 627 00:37:18,860 --> 00:37:20,940 It became a sort of joke. 628 00:37:20,940 --> 00:37:27,300 If a bag ended up in the wrong room, it would be blamed on Sam The Ghost. 629 00:37:27,300 --> 00:37:34,860 The haunted room, 873 or 875 cannot be found on the 8th floor any longer because the room 630 00:37:34,860 --> 00:37:36,980 next to it was expanded. 631 00:37:36,980 --> 00:37:38,940 I was totally going to say that. 632 00:37:38,940 --> 00:37:40,420 And compassing the room. 633 00:37:40,420 --> 00:37:44,740 Yeah, why don't they just expand the room next door into a bigger room and then if they 634 00:37:44,740 --> 00:37:47,780 wanted to, someone wanted a bigger room, they didn't have it available. 635 00:37:47,780 --> 00:37:50,860 Because I had read that on the 8th floor, the rooms are tiny. 636 00:37:50,860 --> 00:37:51,860 Yeah. 637 00:37:51,860 --> 00:37:55,220 So they wanted to have bigger rooms so they were expanding these rooms. 638 00:37:55,220 --> 00:38:00,460 If you happen to stay in the expanded room, you will be awakened all night by people 639 00:38:00,460 --> 00:38:03,100 knocking on the wall where the door used to be. 640 00:38:03,100 --> 00:38:05,420 Oh, no, that I could believe. 641 00:38:05,420 --> 00:38:06,420 That's annoying. 642 00:38:06,420 --> 00:38:08,580 Because I at 100% would do that. 643 00:38:08,580 --> 00:38:11,780 You would knock on the wall? 644 00:38:11,780 --> 00:38:13,780 No. 645 00:38:13,780 --> 00:38:17,580 So is the Banff Springs Hotel haunted or not? 646 00:38:17,580 --> 00:38:18,580 Yes. 647 00:38:18,580 --> 00:38:21,660 No one knows for sure, but it sounds fun. 648 00:38:21,660 --> 00:38:26,700 All right, we hope you enjoyed a little snippet of us. 649 00:38:26,700 --> 00:38:32,180 Check out our podcast that till death do us part and be careful. 650 00:38:32,180 --> 00:38:34,420 For marriage is life's sense. 651 00:38:34,420 --> 00:38:37,300 And divorce is always the better option. 652 00:38:37,300 --> 00:38:38,300 It is. 653 00:38:38,300 --> 00:38:39,300 Bye. 654 00:38:39,300 --> 00:38:40,700 Bye, bye. 655 00:38:40,700 --> 00:38:46,380 We turn our attention next to two of the three hosts from unethical podcast. 656 00:38:46,380 --> 00:38:52,860 It's a lest and Christy specializing in a study of fear and the human psyche, but in ways 657 00:38:52,860 --> 00:38:57,300 that will have you laughing maniacally as you do so. 658 00:38:57,300 --> 00:39:03,380 Their stories tell of the evil entities lurking in the Inquisitos, our mouths curve up at the 659 00:39:03,380 --> 00:39:11,540 humor until we realize that the darkness they speak of still surrounds us. 660 00:39:11,540 --> 00:39:15,300 I'm Sarah Dinges and I'm from unethical podcast. 661 00:39:15,300 --> 00:39:17,300 And Celeste is here with me today. 662 00:39:17,300 --> 00:39:20,180 Hi, I'm also from unethical podcast. 663 00:39:20,180 --> 00:39:27,340 And today I have a spooky little story coming from Tennessee in 1804. 664 00:39:27,340 --> 00:39:32,740 John and Lucy Bell started a farm near the Red River in Robertson County, Tennessee, 665 00:39:32,740 --> 00:39:34,500 which is right outside of Nashville. 666 00:39:34,500 --> 00:39:36,540 They had nine children at the time. 667 00:39:36,540 --> 00:39:38,300 Oh, it's a lot. 668 00:39:38,300 --> 00:39:39,620 Right? 669 00:39:39,620 --> 00:39:45,100 Years after they had moved to this property in 1817, they began experiencing some 670 00:39:45,100 --> 00:39:53,220 strange things and it all happened after John Bell shot at a dog like creature and it disappeared 671 00:39:53,220 --> 00:39:55,620 after he fired the shot. 672 00:39:55,620 --> 00:40:00,420 But then the children began seeing more strange creatures and hearing and explain noises 673 00:40:00,420 --> 00:40:06,820 in the house such as knocking on doors and windows, wings flapping on the ceiling, sounds 674 00:40:06,820 --> 00:40:13,460 of choking and strangling heavy objects moving around, chains hitting and dragging on the 675 00:40:13,460 --> 00:40:14,460 floor. 676 00:40:14,460 --> 00:40:19,500 And these people have ever seen a dog before because the wings and the chains, none of that sounds 677 00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:21,540 like a dog to me. 678 00:40:21,540 --> 00:40:24,860 No, I like the best description we have as dog like. 679 00:40:24,860 --> 00:40:29,740 So like maybe it was some demonic looking thing, but like it could have been a coyote who 680 00:40:29,740 --> 00:40:30,740 the fuck knows. 681 00:40:30,740 --> 00:40:31,740 Okay. 682 00:40:31,740 --> 00:40:37,420 All right, Bat Yodi, the wild chained Bat Yodi, their native to Nashville, Tennessee. 683 00:40:37,420 --> 00:40:40,660 They escaped the caves. 684 00:40:40,660 --> 00:40:43,100 All right. 685 00:40:43,100 --> 00:40:44,100 Continue. 686 00:40:44,100 --> 00:40:49,740 And sometimes these sounds were deafening the family members that they were so loud. 687 00:40:49,740 --> 00:40:56,020 And originally they just referred to this as the spirit and eventually it became known 688 00:40:56,020 --> 00:40:58,140 as the bellwitch. 689 00:40:58,140 --> 00:41:03,680 And the bellwitch would even speak to the family in a disembodied voice and eventually it 690 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:11,900 became violent and it started beating and pinching and pulling hair, especially aimed at John 691 00:41:11,900 --> 00:41:14,220 Bell and his daughter, Betsy. 692 00:41:14,220 --> 00:41:18,220 They were the two that the bellwitch absolutely hated. 693 00:41:18,220 --> 00:41:19,220 Yeah. 694 00:41:19,220 --> 00:41:23,460 This sounds like sibling rivalry. 695 00:41:23,460 --> 00:41:25,500 Mom, a job pulled my hair. 696 00:41:25,500 --> 00:41:26,500 No, I didn't. 697 00:41:26,500 --> 00:41:27,500 It was the bellwitch, Mama. 698 00:41:27,500 --> 00:41:33,100 It wouldn't mean it does sound like some shit that kids would have like stuck just to 699 00:41:33,100 --> 00:41:35,540 like get out of it with the out of things. 700 00:41:35,540 --> 00:41:41,100 Sounds like they they broke Paws favorite smoking pipe and they were like, one thus 701 00:41:41,100 --> 00:41:47,100 got got thing bellwitch again. 702 00:41:47,100 --> 00:41:52,700 But Lucy Bell, wife of John Bell was least affected by the spirit. 703 00:41:52,700 --> 00:41:57,380 And the spirit even proclaimed her to be the most perfect woman living. 704 00:41:57,380 --> 00:41:59,940 After nine kids, that's no slow. 705 00:41:59,940 --> 00:42:00,940 Right? 706 00:42:00,940 --> 00:42:04,660 And I guess if you're going to have a spirit in your house, at least have it, think you're 707 00:42:04,660 --> 00:42:05,660 a bad bitch. 708 00:42:05,660 --> 00:42:06,660 You know? 709 00:42:06,660 --> 00:42:07,660 Right? 710 00:42:07,660 --> 00:42:10,380 Where are my complimentary spirits at? 711 00:42:10,380 --> 00:42:17,100 And apparently the bellwitch would even sing to her when she was sick and just hang out 712 00:42:17,100 --> 00:42:23,300 and care for her, which I don't know how much a spirit can care for someone, but hope 713 00:42:23,300 --> 00:42:28,100 she doesn't ghost her. 714 00:42:28,100 --> 00:42:30,100 But I'm sorry. 715 00:42:30,100 --> 00:42:34,380 However, Betsy Bell endured the most torment from the witch. 716 00:42:34,380 --> 00:42:39,420 For years, the bellwitch tormented her and she wouldn't find relief from the spirit until 717 00:42:39,420 --> 00:42:45,220 she married her former school teacher and moved to Mississippi in 1820. 718 00:42:45,220 --> 00:42:46,220 Quick question. 719 00:42:46,220 --> 00:42:53,300 The mom is being like, caressed and having sweet nothings whispered in her ear and fed 720 00:42:53,300 --> 00:42:56,140 soup when she's ill by this spirit. 721 00:42:56,140 --> 00:43:01,780 But her daughter is getting like her hair pulled and being called a fat bitch and all 722 00:43:01,780 --> 00:43:02,780 that other stuff. 723 00:43:02,780 --> 00:43:08,380 And the mom is just like, she's taken a second to be like, which, how come you're torturing 724 00:43:08,380 --> 00:43:09,380 my daughter? 725 00:43:09,380 --> 00:43:10,900 I have no idea. 726 00:43:10,900 --> 00:43:18,100 And so Betsy was previously engaged to another man, but the bellwitch hated that man. 727 00:43:18,100 --> 00:43:23,060 And so that's how she ended up with her former school teacher and marrying him and moving 728 00:43:23,060 --> 00:43:24,580 to Mississippi. 729 00:43:24,580 --> 00:43:28,500 And when she moved to Mississippi is when finally the torment stopped for her. 730 00:43:28,500 --> 00:43:33,660 That would have been a much better time to use ghosting as a pun for breaking up with someone. 731 00:43:33,660 --> 00:43:40,380 She ghosted her first lover, move John to her teacher, fired a dollar. 732 00:43:40,380 --> 00:43:44,460 The bellwitch referred to John Bell as old Jack. 733 00:43:44,460 --> 00:43:48,580 He wouldn't be so lucky to be able to escape this. 734 00:43:48,580 --> 00:43:56,860 And after years of physical violence and threats, John was bedridden on December 19, 1820. 735 00:43:56,860 --> 00:44:03,020 And his son, John Jr. was caring for him and went to get medicine bottles out of the cabinet 736 00:44:03,020 --> 00:44:04,020 to help his father. 737 00:44:04,020 --> 00:44:11,500 And when he opened the cabinet, he only found one vial of a mysterious liquid. 738 00:44:11,500 --> 00:44:14,900 And the bellwitch told him it's useless to relieve old Jack. 739 00:44:14,900 --> 00:44:17,140 I've got him this time. 740 00:44:17,140 --> 00:44:23,820 And upon hearing that, John Jr. threw the bottle into a fire and it burst in blue flame. 741 00:44:23,820 --> 00:44:27,260 And John Bell died December 20, 1820. 742 00:44:27,260 --> 00:44:31,980 And supposedly the bellwitch crashed his funeral service by obnoxiously singing drinking 743 00:44:31,980 --> 00:44:32,980 songs. 744 00:44:32,980 --> 00:44:39,740 Okay, this is the husband of the one that the bellwitch loved. 745 00:44:39,740 --> 00:44:40,740 Yes. 746 00:44:40,740 --> 00:44:41,740 Okay. 747 00:44:41,740 --> 00:44:42,740 Okay. 748 00:44:42,740 --> 00:44:48,820 So was she trying to smash or like, did she was her husband just not a nice man? 749 00:44:48,820 --> 00:44:50,340 No explanation. 750 00:44:50,340 --> 00:44:52,140 Oh, wow. 751 00:44:52,140 --> 00:44:54,340 Just the bellwitch hated John. 752 00:44:54,340 --> 00:44:57,180 Loved Lucy. 753 00:44:57,180 --> 00:44:59,820 Had a problem with a couple of the kids. 754 00:44:59,820 --> 00:45:00,820 Okay. 755 00:45:00,820 --> 00:45:03,540 So the bellwitch poisoned him to death. 756 00:45:03,540 --> 00:45:04,540 Yes. 757 00:45:04,540 --> 00:45:07,140 And then took all the medicine away so he couldn't be fixed. 758 00:45:07,140 --> 00:45:08,140 Yeah. 759 00:45:08,140 --> 00:45:10,300 And was basically telling John Jr. 760 00:45:10,300 --> 00:45:13,060 Hey, don't even try to save your father because he's going to die. 761 00:45:13,060 --> 00:45:14,060 Like I got him this time. 762 00:45:14,060 --> 00:45:15,540 I don't know, man. 763 00:45:15,540 --> 00:45:17,540 I don't know. 764 00:45:17,540 --> 00:45:19,540 Seems a little suspicious. 765 00:45:19,540 --> 00:45:23,780 I feel like I've heard this excuse before. 766 00:45:23,780 --> 00:45:25,700 Wasn't me a witch did it? 767 00:45:25,700 --> 00:45:27,340 That leads me to the next point. 768 00:45:27,340 --> 00:45:36,900 So it was as best as it could have been in 1820, somewhat investigated and went court. 769 00:45:36,900 --> 00:45:40,980 And this is where Tennessee became the first date to contribute the death of an individual 770 00:45:40,980 --> 00:45:45,460 to the supernatural because even the court was like, yep, bellwitch. 771 00:45:45,460 --> 00:45:47,460 Ghost did it. 772 00:45:47,460 --> 00:45:48,980 Ghost did it. 773 00:45:48,980 --> 00:45:51,060 First or only. 774 00:45:51,060 --> 00:45:53,980 I think first and only. 775 00:45:53,980 --> 00:45:54,980 All right. 776 00:45:54,980 --> 00:45:58,420 Well, I would have expected more from Tennessee. 777 00:45:58,420 --> 00:46:01,060 So that's surprising. 778 00:46:01,060 --> 00:46:02,060 So that's it. 779 00:46:02,060 --> 00:46:03,060 Open and shut. 780 00:46:03,060 --> 00:46:05,700 Pretty cruel as far as state of Tennessee was concerned. 781 00:46:05,700 --> 00:46:06,700 Yeah. 782 00:46:06,700 --> 00:46:07,700 Bang the gavel judge. 783 00:46:07,700 --> 00:46:09,700 Ghost did it. 784 00:46:09,700 --> 00:46:12,620 Everybody go home. 785 00:46:12,620 --> 00:46:14,220 Did they try hanging her? 786 00:46:14,220 --> 00:46:17,260 But they set up like invisible wire and they just like, whoo. 787 00:46:17,260 --> 00:46:22,700 Like the real fire like we're just going to burn the witch. 788 00:46:22,700 --> 00:46:29,980 Well, the bellwitch in the spring of 1821 told the family that it would be back in seven 789 00:46:29,980 --> 00:46:36,900 years, which Lucy and two of her children reported that it did come back in much of the 790 00:46:36,900 --> 00:46:41,660 same way that it had before as far as strange noises and all of that. 791 00:46:41,660 --> 00:46:46,860 But shortly after it returned, it left again claiming that it would haunt the bell family 792 00:46:46,860 --> 00:46:50,700 descendants again in 1935. 793 00:46:50,700 --> 00:46:56,500 And while some people report strange happenings still on the family land, it's never 794 00:46:56,500 --> 00:47:02,020 been to the same severity as what the original bells reported in the 1800s. 795 00:47:02,020 --> 00:47:06,940 Today you can tour a replica of their cabin. 796 00:47:06,940 --> 00:47:11,020 And you can also tour the caves. 797 00:47:11,020 --> 00:47:16,100 And the caves is where people believe the bellwitch may have retreated to during the times 798 00:47:16,100 --> 00:47:19,620 that it said it was leaving and it would be back or whatever. 799 00:47:19,620 --> 00:47:25,380 And so you can tour the bellwitch caves that are on the old bell property. 800 00:47:25,380 --> 00:47:26,380 Right. 801 00:47:26,380 --> 00:47:31,740 Because the life cycle of course was that and then bat yoddy and then which. 802 00:47:31,740 --> 00:47:36,220 So she was returning home to her birthplace, the caves where the bats are born. 803 00:47:36,220 --> 00:47:37,220 I assume. 804 00:47:37,220 --> 00:47:38,220 Right. 805 00:47:38,220 --> 00:47:39,220 Right. 806 00:47:39,220 --> 00:47:40,220 That all checks out. 807 00:47:40,220 --> 00:47:41,220 I have no questions. 808 00:47:41,220 --> 00:47:42,220 Yeah. 809 00:47:42,220 --> 00:47:43,220 She came. 810 00:47:43,220 --> 00:47:44,220 She murdered a man. 811 00:47:44,220 --> 00:47:46,220 She left. 812 00:47:46,220 --> 00:47:48,060 As one does. 813 00:47:48,060 --> 00:47:50,620 Thank you guys for listening and happy Halloween. 814 00:47:50,620 --> 00:47:51,620 Happy Halloween. 815 00:47:51,620 --> 00:47:54,380 Thanks guys. 816 00:47:54,380 --> 00:48:01,740 Cassie and Caitlyn, the host of PNW Haunts and Homicides, descended deep into the unknown 817 00:48:01,740 --> 00:48:07,100 to bring tales of murder, the ghastly and the otherworldly. 818 00:48:07,100 --> 00:48:12,020 Their stories will reveal hidden horrors of the past and show us how the darkness waits 819 00:48:12,020 --> 00:48:15,060 to ensnare the curious wanderer. 820 00:48:15,060 --> 00:48:22,060 They'll also have you questioning every rustle in the leaves and every creek from the forest. 821 00:48:22,060 --> 00:48:24,060 Hi Cassie. 822 00:48:24,060 --> 00:48:25,340 Hi Caitlyn. 823 00:48:25,340 --> 00:48:26,340 Hi creepy people. 824 00:48:26,340 --> 00:48:27,340 Hello. 825 00:48:27,340 --> 00:48:28,340 Hello. 826 00:48:28,340 --> 00:48:32,500 This is PNW Haunts and Homicides. 827 00:48:32,500 --> 00:48:38,620 Can you imagine what it would be like if the frivolity of your youth, presuming that you 828 00:48:38,620 --> 00:48:44,420 were permitted any was cut short by a horrific event? 829 00:48:44,420 --> 00:48:49,540 For more than one family, that sentiment is all too real. 830 00:48:49,540 --> 00:48:55,580 Emanuel Fair was imprisoned in King County, Washington for nearly a decade for a crime 831 00:48:55,580 --> 00:48:58,580 that he says he did not commit. 832 00:48:58,580 --> 00:49:04,340 He told the Seattle Times about being incarcerated for so long without a conviction. 833 00:49:04,340 --> 00:49:07,100 I always knew I was going to get out. 834 00:49:07,100 --> 00:49:10,980 I just didn't think it would take as long as it took. 835 00:49:10,980 --> 00:49:12,380 10 years you said? 836 00:49:12,380 --> 00:49:15,540 He was imprisoned, yes. 837 00:49:15,540 --> 00:49:21,620 At the Valley View Apartments near Lake Samamish, #NeverBundey. 838 00:49:21,620 --> 00:49:26,860 Ooh, if you know, you know, Ikea, can all that. 839 00:49:26,860 --> 00:49:32,420 Emanuel was one of dozens of people, both other residents of the complex, as well as their 840 00:49:32,420 --> 00:49:38,060 guests that were in and out of one of several apartment units during the Halloween party 841 00:49:38,060 --> 00:49:41,340 that took place nearly 15 years ago. 842 00:49:41,340 --> 00:49:45,020 Okay, can I just say that sounds like a lot of fun? 843 00:49:45,020 --> 00:49:46,020 Yeah. 844 00:49:46,020 --> 00:49:48,020 Like a whole apartment building party. 845 00:49:48,020 --> 00:49:49,020 Yeah. 846 00:49:49,020 --> 00:49:50,020 That sounds great. 847 00:49:50,020 --> 00:49:51,900 I think it sounds fantastic. 848 00:49:51,900 --> 00:49:54,820 Reminds me like a dorm kind of situation. 849 00:49:54,820 --> 00:49:59,900 I think it very much had that kind of a vibe because it seems like there were a lot of people 850 00:49:59,900 --> 00:50:03,420 that were in their, you know, early to mid-20s. 851 00:50:03,420 --> 00:50:08,580 So maybe recent college grads or, you know, people kind of getting their lives started 852 00:50:08,580 --> 00:50:09,580 up. 853 00:50:09,580 --> 00:50:10,580 So great. 854 00:50:10,580 --> 00:50:12,500 No. 855 00:50:12,500 --> 00:50:17,300 The gravity of the situation didn't really hit until later though, when a young woman's 856 00:50:17,300 --> 00:50:21,660 body was discovered in her very own bedroom. 857 00:50:21,660 --> 00:50:27,620 Arpana Jinaga was a 24-year-old immigrant who worked as a software engineer at a company called 858 00:50:27,620 --> 00:50:30,300 EMC in Bellevue. 859 00:50:30,300 --> 00:50:35,820 And though she lived less than a dozen miles from her workplace, she had been born nearly 860 00:50:35,820 --> 00:50:41,300 a world away from the state of Washington in Hedira, bad, India. 861 00:50:41,300 --> 00:50:43,860 That's a whole world away? 862 00:50:43,860 --> 00:50:46,620 I mean, yeah, basically. 863 00:50:46,620 --> 00:50:48,420 I feel like it's in the same world. 864 00:50:48,420 --> 00:50:49,420 Yeah. 865 00:50:49,420 --> 00:50:51,140 I know what you're saying though. 866 00:50:51,140 --> 00:50:53,980 It's probably a whole different world. 867 00:50:53,980 --> 00:50:54,980 Definitely. 868 00:50:54,980 --> 00:50:57,580 And most of her family was still there. 869 00:50:57,580 --> 00:51:03,940 She was an alum of Rutgers University, but her accolades didn't stop there because I'm 870 00:51:03,940 --> 00:51:09,660 pretty sure just getting into Rutgers is an accomplishment in and of itself. 871 00:51:09,660 --> 00:51:15,980 She had won an International Software Award and was a rising star in her Bellevue workplace. 872 00:51:15,980 --> 00:51:16,980 Oh, yeah. 873 00:51:16,980 --> 00:51:18,980 Oh, yeah. 874 00:51:18,980 --> 00:51:25,380 She was an active and friendly outgoing young woman, but she also had an eye for promising 875 00:51:25,380 --> 00:51:32,020 volunteer opportunities, such as those that she took on both at an animal shelter, as 876 00:51:32,020 --> 00:51:34,740 well as with the local fire department. 877 00:51:34,740 --> 00:51:37,100 Oh, well, isn't she the sweetest? 878 00:51:37,100 --> 00:51:38,660 I know. 879 00:51:38,660 --> 00:51:43,300 She'd lived in the area for less than a year and signed up to volunteer her time to both 880 00:51:43,300 --> 00:51:44,740 in the Redmond area. 881 00:51:44,740 --> 00:51:47,460 Oh, I know that area. 882 00:51:47,460 --> 00:51:48,460 Yeah. 883 00:51:48,460 --> 00:51:56,980 Nearly two years later in October 2010, Emmanuel was placed in a Seattle holding cell for 884 00:51:56,980 --> 00:52:04,360 the 2008 sexual assault and murder of Arpana Jinaga. 885 00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:08,900 At the time, they were continuing to gather evidence against him. 886 00:52:08,900 --> 00:52:15,540 For reference, DNA found at the scene of the crime would be linked to three men in total, 887 00:52:15,540 --> 00:52:20,380 but only one would ultimately be charged in connection with her death. 888 00:52:20,380 --> 00:52:22,180 Whoa. 889 00:52:22,180 --> 00:52:26,960 So they ran a test on the DNA and it matched three different people? 890 00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:35,720 There were a number of samples taken from various items in the apartment and that were discovered 891 00:52:35,720 --> 00:52:40,220 in another area, and we're going to talk about that in a second. 892 00:52:40,220 --> 00:52:45,760 Some of the samples matched one guy, some of the samples matched another. 893 00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,240 There may have been some co-mingling of samples. 894 00:52:49,240 --> 00:52:50,240 Well, yeah. 895 00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:52,720 We don't like co-mingling of samples. 896 00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:53,720 Don't love that. 897 00:52:53,720 --> 00:52:55,240 It's not a good time. 898 00:52:55,240 --> 00:52:56,240 No. 899 00:52:56,240 --> 00:53:02,200 The evidence used against him was collected from a dumpster on the complex property. 900 00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:07,840 According to prosecutors, Emmanuel's DNA was discovered on multiple items that they believed 901 00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:13,840 the killer touched, including tape in the apartment, mixed with Arpana's blood stains 902 00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,680 on a red robe found in a dumpster. 903 00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:17,680 Oh. 904 00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:22,880 Also, on a swab taken from Arpana's neck. 905 00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:24,880 Oh, okay. 906 00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:25,880 Yeah. 907 00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:31,680 We've got some different places where it's being found, but we're going to come back. 908 00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:38,160 Put a pin in the DNA evidence for our full-length episode in the PNW Haunts and Homicides Podcast 909 00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,880 feed, because we're going to get to her. 910 00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:41,880 I'll be there. 911 00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:43,120 Okay. 912 00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:51,080 When Arpana's body was found in her apartment back in 2008, a few specific sensory details 913 00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:55,000 stood out to those working the case. 914 00:53:55,000 --> 00:54:02,680 The smell of bleach for one, but also how her bedroom seemed to be completely saturated 915 00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:07,720 with an oily substance, which was later determined to be motor oil. 916 00:54:07,720 --> 00:54:09,560 Oh, ew. 917 00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:10,560 Yeah. 918 00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:11,560 Okay. 919 00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,600 I imagine that's very smelly bleach and motor oil. 920 00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:19,320 And what the fuck is going on with motor oil? 921 00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,000 I had a lot of questions. 922 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:22,000 Maybe. 923 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,800 They think it was flammable and they wanted to like, push the plate. 924 00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:25,800 Well, that's the place. 925 00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:26,800 Well, that's the place. 926 00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:32,240 Which would also later explain the burn marks on her bedroom carpet, as well as the satin 927 00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:35,360 sheets pulled from the garbage dumpster. 928 00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,680 Absolutely horrifying. 929 00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:42,480 They were burned, like, not chemical burns, like fire burns. 930 00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:43,480 That's my understanding. 931 00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:44,480 Ooh. 932 00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:50,680 Yeah, because they say burn marks, the way that it's phrased in the source material, yeah, 933 00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:57,920 does sound like fire burns, not like a, like, ooh,ouch, that's going to blister in a weird 934 00:54:57,920 --> 00:54:58,920 chemical way. 935 00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:03,400 But I guess they probably wouldn't say chemical burn if it wasn't on a person. 936 00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,400 I would assume. 937 00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:11,440 Neighboring tenants would also say that they heard what they described as muffled moaning, 938 00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:16,760 but didn't indicate that they had any reason to be particularly concerned about the noise 939 00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,960 at least on that night. 940 00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:25,040 It does sound like a party house, so I'm sure noise is common. 941 00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,400 Yeah, I mean, it's a Halloween party. 942 00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:28,400 Right. 943 00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,280 I feel like enough said, you know what I mean? 944 00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:32,680 Except maybe not. 945 00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:37,080 However, it wouldn't take long for serious concern to develop. 946 00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:42,320 By November 2nd, our Arpana's family had not spoken to her for a couple of days. 947 00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:49,080 This was extremely unusual, as they typically spoke to her every day. Daily. 948 00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:53,880 granting her father to ask a family friend that lived in the area to check in on her. 949 00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:58,680 Whether they expected anything was truly wrong or just wanted to check on her in an abundance 950 00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:03,800 of caution, the scene that the family friend, along with one of our Arpana's neighbors, 951 00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:10,560 walked into, was the absolute worst case scenario imaginable. 952 00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,680 Unimaginable, but... 953 00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,560 And you said her family isn't local, right? 954 00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:16,560 Right. 955 00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,080 Oh, gosh. 956 00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,400 They found Arpana at the foot of her bed. 957 00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:28,320 Her autopsy would later show that she died of esphyxia by ligature strangulation. 958 00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,800 No. 959 00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:36,640 Ligature strangulation occurs when an external object is placed around the neck and provides 960 00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:37,640 compression. 961 00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:40,080 Oh, God. 962 00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:45,600 The compression is usually applied to the neck by using the deceitant's own body weight 963 00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:51,680 in what would generally be described as either a partial or complete hanging. 964 00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:52,960 Oh, my God. 965 00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:54,840 That sounds violent. 966 00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:56,400 Yes. 967 00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:02,800 Her manner of death was obviously brutal, but within the report, it was also noted that 968 00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:07,560 she had sustained multiple blunt force injuries. 969 00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:14,800 Prior to leaving the scene, the killer or killers had used bleach, blue toilet bowl cleaner, 970 00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:22,200 a common household type of soap, and motor oil to strip away forensic evidence linking 971 00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,400 them to the crime. 972 00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,160 Man. 973 00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:35,520 Traces of the various cleansers were found on Arpana's body, the carpet, her comforter, 974 00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:41,840 the bathtub, as well as the bathroom counter and her mattress from which the comforter had 975 00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:43,680 been removed. 976 00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:48,640 Now it's important to note that depending on who you ask, Arpana's killer was already 977 00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:52,480 imprisoned, but has since been released. 978 00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:58,640 Others believe that one of the other persons of interest is the likely killer, or even 979 00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:04,160 that a combination of multiple killers is most likely. 980 00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:12,680 Some have even speculated about other high-profile, violent maniacs such as Israel keys, and he's 981 00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:14,440 not the only one. 982 00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:19,760 Oh, usually that's a theory that could be easily dismissed, especially if we're not sure 983 00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:23,480 that it's coming from an entirely reliable source. 984 00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:31,360 However, in this case, it does seem that Israel keys was in fact in the Seattle area between 985 00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:35,320 October 31 and November 2. 986 00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:41,520 Oh, that makes me really uncomfortable. 987 00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:42,880 Because it should. 988 00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:49,840 So while it may be far-fetched, it's possible that you may not want to roll that one out entirely. 989 00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:51,640 Okay. 990 00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:59,720 Emanuel Fairs' trial would begin in February of 2017, more than six years after he had 991 00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:06,400 originally been charged, and more than eight years after our Panna was murdered. 992 00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:11,360 After the rest of the story and this episode's tarot reading, you'll have to join us on our 993 00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:12,360 regular feed. 994 00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:18,960 Well, I'm not really that interested in hearing the rest of the details, but I'm really interested 995 00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:19,960 in the tarot. 996 00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:20,960 Yeah. 997 00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:22,160 That's what I'm here for. 998 00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:23,160 I know. 999 00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:24,160 I know. 1000 00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:25,160 To everyone listening. 1001 00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,960 Have a creepy ass Halloween! 1002 00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:33,960 Finally, we turn to Jamie and John from True Crime Cast. 1003 00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,240 As we huddle close to the fire. 1004 00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:44,080 They share tales of both visible and invisible terrors, of voices that invade your very soul 1005 00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:47,760 that lead us into the heart of terror. 1006 00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:54,640 Listen closely, and your heart will race with each whispered word. 1007 00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:58,400 Hey, True Crime Cast fans. 1008 00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:04,720 Jamie and John here are super excited to be a part of this Halloween collaboration. 1009 01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:09,560 In darkness falls, we were excited to be contacted by Allison from Coffee and Cases, and we've 1010 01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:12,680 got our own spooky little tale to tell here today. 1011 01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:13,960 So get us rolling, John. 1012 01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:20,000 We are going to be talking about Teresita Baza, who was born in 1929 in the Philippines, 1013 01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:24,760 and was the only child to her parents who were well off and very wealthy. 1014 01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:30,520 She went to college there and then moved to the United States in 1960 to earn her master's 1015 01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:32,000 degree in music. 1016 01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:38,740 However, she would become a respiratory therapist at Edgewater Hospital located just outside of 1017 01:00:38,740 --> 01:00:39,740 Chicago. 1018 01:00:39,740 --> 01:00:45,080 Fun fact, this was the same hospital that was the birthplace of both John Wayne Gacy and 1019 01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:46,320 Hillary Clinton. 1020 01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:47,320 What a club. 1021 01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:52,320 Teresita was a kind, hard working lady and lived a simple life in which she kept to herself. 1022 01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:56,520 She wasn't the type of person to make enemies or make anybody angry. 1023 01:00:56,520 --> 01:01:01,840 On February 21st, Teresita worked a normal day, and then at 7 in the evening she got 1024 01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:06,400 a phone call from a friend who was a doctor at Edgewater Hospital. 1025 01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,560 They spoke about concert tickets and trying to sell some. 1026 01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:15,000 They were on the phone until about 7.20 and she said a friend arrived and she had to go. 1027 01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:16,920 She got another call at 7.30. 1028 01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:20,600 This was from Ruth Moib, who also worked at the hospital. 1029 01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:25,960 They talked for about 20 minutes, and Teresita stated that she had to run because somebody 1030 01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,680 was there to fix her television. 1031 01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:34,040 At 8.40 pm, neighbors and their apartments smelled smoke in their units and they opened 1032 01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:38,080 the doors and saw smoke coming from Teresita's apartment. 1033 01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:42,480 When firefighters got there, they found the source of the flames was a mattress that had 1034 01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,240 caught on fire. 1035 01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:49,520 When they had put out the fire, they found Teresita's body under the mattress, laying down 1036 01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:51,520 with her hands over her head. 1037 01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:58,480 She was in just a horrible situation and it very much seemed as if foul play was involved. 1038 01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:00,160 Was Teresita lived alone? 1039 01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:04,160 Please weren't able to find out if anything was missing from the home. 1040 01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:05,280 Was this a burglary? 1041 01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:06,280 Was this personal? 1042 01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:08,120 Was this a sexual assault later on? 1043 01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:11,120 We would find out that there was no sexual assault. 1044 01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:12,920 But so many questions. 1045 01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:19,000 Police did find a note that said get tickets for AS, AS being initials. 1046 01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:23,560 Police didn't know who had come to repair the TV because Teresita hadn't told anybody 1047 01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:28,760 a name or a company of anybody that was supposed to be coming to the house. 1048 01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:32,940 So all police know is we have this note, we have these phone calls and we have somebody 1049 01:02:32,940 --> 01:02:35,560 fixing her TV and that's all they got. 1050 01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,760 This case would basically go nowhere for months. 1051 01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:45,160 However, in August of 1977, six months after the murder, police would receive a fairly 1052 01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:46,960 strange tip. 1053 01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:52,480 Another department around Chicago, Evans Town, called the CPD to ask if they had looked 1054 01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:58,960 into a man named Alan Schahery, who also worked at Edgewater Hospital. 1055 01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:03,480 The police department had not looked into this man and of course they wanted to know why 1056 01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:05,360 they were even asking. 1057 01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:10,840 In Evansville, police department gave them the name of Dr. Jose Schau as someone that 1058 01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:14,960 they could call and speak with and that's when the story gets really spooky. 1059 01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:20,440 Yeah, Dr. Schau's wife, whose name was Remy, also worked at the Edgewater Hospital. 1060 01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,120 Dr. Schau worked elsewhere. 1061 01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:27,120 So detectives went to their home to learn why they would even ask about Alan Schahery 1062 01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:32,240 and what connection they had to Teresita. 1063 01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:37,080 They seemed shy or kind of ashamed almost at first, didn't really want to talk, but during 1064 01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:42,320 the home visit, Dr. Schau asked one of the detectives if he believed in the occult and 1065 01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:44,520 demonic forces. 1066 01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:46,720 That's got to be a question as a police officer. 1067 01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:49,520 You're there to get a report and get some facts. 1068 01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:51,280 That's got to put you on your heels, I would think. 1069 01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:57,080 Dr. Schau said that he's a physician, but he had seen some things in his life that science 1070 01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:59,600 just would not explain. 1071 01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:06,600 He went on to say that he didn't know Teresita or even know about her murder until one night 1072 01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:14,080 when his wife, Remy, had become possessed by the spirit of Teresita, Bassa. 1073 01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:19,160 Dr. Schau said that the first time he saw this was in their home, Remy had got up from 1074 01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:23,980 the couch, walked into her bedroom, and was just sitting there on the bed, staring with 1075 01:04:23,980 --> 01:04:25,680 a blank face. 1076 01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:30,320 He asked her if she was okay, and she began speaking in a foreign language. 1077 01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:35,400 This language was tagalog, and her voice was not his wife's. 1078 01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:41,440 Now tagalog was a national language of the Philippines where Teresita and Remy are 1079 01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:42,440 from. 1080 01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:46,920 Obviously Dr. Schau was concerned for his wife, and just like a doctor, he wanted to 1081 01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:49,280 make sure that she was oriented. 1082 01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:56,800 So he asked her if she knew who she was, and the voice said, "I am Teresita, Bassa." 1083 01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:02,040 The voice told him that she needed help solving her murder, and that the man who murdered 1084 01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:04,880 her was Alan Shawery. 1085 01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:10,680 The voice explained that Alan showed up to work on the TV, but instead she was stabbed 1086 01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:12,520 by Alan. 1087 01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:18,680 After Schau then said that once the voice left, Remy was back and had no memory of this 1088 01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:19,680 experience. 1089 01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:24,520 When Dr. Schau asked Remy if she knew Teresita, she said that they may have met once during 1090 01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:28,760 orientation at work, but they worked different shifts and really didn't know each other. 1091 01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:31,480 They certainly weren't friends. 1092 01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:36,800 He stated that another time it happened in the middle of the night while Remy was asleep. 1093 01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:42,240 The voice woke her up and asked why he hadn't gone to the police yet. 1094 01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:44,680 Dr. Schau said, "I am a scientist. 1095 01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:47,800 I need proof of this before I go to police." 1096 01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:52,880 The voice then described two pieces of jewelry that had been stolen from Teresita's house 1097 01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,480 by Alan the night of her murder. 1098 01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:58,120 He went on to give those to his girlfriend. 1099 01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:03,140 The voice also told Dr. Schau the names of relatives of Teresita who could identify 1100 01:06:03,140 --> 01:06:05,800 the jewelry as hers. 1101 01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:10,600 Remy told the police that sometimes in the hospital locker room she would look around 1102 01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:15,320 and see visions of Teresita with Alan's face behind her. 1103 01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:24,280 All kinds of supernatural imagery and claims of voices, not our typical leads. 1104 01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:28,920 They asked some of his co-workers about Alan and Teresita and one of them had mentioned 1105 01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:34,080 that he remembered Alan saying that he was going to work on her TV at some point with 1106 01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:40,600 this and the note from her home about having tickets to give to AS. 1107 01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:44,160 Police paid him a visit as well as his girlfriend. 1108 01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:46,560 At first he said he didn't know her. 1109 01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:52,200 But when confronted with the testimony about working on her TV, his story began to change. 1110 01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:57,920 He stated that he had went there for just a short time but didn't have the right tool 1111 01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:01,840 that he needed to fix the TV so he left fairly quickly. 1112 01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:07,720 They asked his girlfriend if she had been given any jewelry and she showed them two pieces 1113 01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:12,560 that were a perfect match to the ones that were described from the ghost and she stated 1114 01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:17,560 that he had given them to her in January as a late Christmas gift. 1115 01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:23,480 Police showed these pieces of jewelry to Teresita's family and they confirmed that they 1116 01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:25,500 were indeed Teresita's. 1117 01:07:25,500 --> 01:07:30,760 You mentioned you got chills when you quoted the quote unquote ghost earlier. 1118 01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:34,080 I just got chills that the jewelry claim was right. 1119 01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:41,520 How on earth could Remy have known about this other than this being possessed as she claimed 1120 01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:42,520 to be? 1121 01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:46,200 Eventually Alan would confess when he was confronted with all this evidence. 1122 01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:49,920 He said he got there that night and he killed her looking for money. 1123 01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:55,240 He only found $30 and he took two pieces of jewelry so that's what her life was worth 1124 01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:56,760 to him. 1125 01:07:56,760 --> 01:08:02,160 He was charged with murder and this trial in the public was nicknamed The Voice From the 1126 01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:03,920 Grave. 1127 01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:08,760 Four weeks later there was a hung jury because of the ghost witness. 1128 01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:15,160 A lot of the jurors while they thought he probably did this were so hung up on the unlikely 1129 01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:21,640 hood of Remy knowing this from a ghost that they couldn't commit to a guilty verdict. 1130 01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:27,160 Before there could be another trial, Alan pled guilty for a shorter sentence of 14 years 1131 01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:28,160 for murder. 1132 01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:34,160 After everything was said and done, he only ended up serving four years before he was released. 1133 01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:40,160 That's the most insane part of this story and I know that I just said a ghost told somebody 1134 01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:45,800 who murdered her but the fact that he only got four years for this is mind blowing to 1135 01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:46,800 me. 1136 01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:47,800 It is. 1137 01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:48,800 Yeah. 1138 01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:54,040 They have this information I can't think of a logical scenario where she knew this unless 1139 01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:56,320 somebody around the hospital was talking about it. 1140 01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:58,000 I guess that's possible. 1141 01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,440 But I think that's the story you go to police with. 1142 01:09:00,440 --> 01:09:05,040 Not the story of she was possessed by a ghost of a dead person that woke me up in the middle 1143 01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:06,040 of the night. 1144 01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:07,840 They were reliable witnesses. 1145 01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:11,080 Everything they said proved to be true though so it is what it is. 1146 01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:12,080 Yeah. 1147 01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:17,320 I legitimately think that the ghost of Tarrasita helps solve her own murder and that we 1148 01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:21,600 as society and the justice system were the ones that dropped the ball. 1149 01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:25,760 Again, we're thrilled to be a part of this Wind Darkness Falls collaboration. 1150 01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:30,760 You can find true crime cast anywhere you find your favorite podcast with new episodes 1151 01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:33,760 every Tuesday and Friday. 1152 01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:36,560 Until next crime, this has been true crime cast. 1153 01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:40,640 And 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