July 29, 2025

Vanished: The Jami Sue Hagel Sherer Case (Part 1)

Vanished: The Jami Sue Hagel Sherer Case (Part 1)
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What happens when a picture-perfect life hides a dangerous secret — and a young mother suddenly vanishes?

In September 1990, 26-year-old Jami Sue Hagel Sherer vanished without a trace from Redmond, Washington — leaving behind her young son, her close-knit family, and a trail of unsettling questions.

Jami’s life appeared perfect: a promising career at Microsoft, a new family home, and a bright future ahead. But behind the façade was a much darker reality — a volatile marriage to her controlling husband, Steve Sherer, a man with an explosive temper, a documented history of domestic violence and drug abuse, and a jealous streak that left Jami constantly on edge.

In Part One, we trace Jami’s life leading up to her disappearance: her seemingly idyllic upbringing, the escalating turmoil in her marriage, and the final moments before she told Steve, “It’s over. I want a divorce.”

Was that the breaking point that led to her vanishing — or did Steve’s jealousy drive events to a deadly conclusion?

Listen now to Part One of this haunting two-part case — and stay tuned for Part Two, where we dive into the investigation, Steve Sherer’s shocking behavior in the aftermath, and the resolution that finally brought answers for Jami’s loved ones.

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A previous romantic partner had recalled a frightening incident. Resolved

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to escape the highly explosive relationship, she had abandoned her

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things in their shared apartment, only returning when it could

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be confirmed that Steve wouldn't be home. She returned to

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try to collect her things, to find that he'd laid

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out her stuffed animals and dolls decapitated. Hi, Cassie, Hi, Caitlin, Hi,

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creepy people. Hello. Hello, This is PNW Hans and Homicides,

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where we chat about true crime, the paranormal, and all

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things spooky in the PNW. If you're nicety, which is

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the Pacific north West, if you didn't know what that meant,

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I don't want. I think it means like penis not well,

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peanut butter, no waffles, Like we don't want them to

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think those things about us. So that's right. Yeah, I

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definitely don't want either of those associations. Oh my goodness.

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We also do a little tarot reading at the end

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of every episode for a little bit of deeper insight

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into our.

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Topic, especially for our palate cleanser at the end of

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Caitlin's episodes, which today, Yeah, that is what's going on

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that's what's happening.

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You're like, that's that's what's gonna happen. We're doing that

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to your ear holes.

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So that's what's happening to us today.

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Sorry, I guess, Oh my goodness. Yeah, all right, Well,

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and I think I'm gonna be giving you guys. I

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don't know, maybe a little bit of a surprise. I

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don't know if anybody's paying attention, maybe they already know.

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I don't know. Well, should I get into it? I

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feel like that's a lot of tom foolery for the

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front end.

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Yeah, let's get into it. I'm ready.

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Or were you talking about the teaser post on Instagram? Yeah?

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I was like, I don't know what's happening, but I

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did the post.

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All right. Jamie Sue Heigel Scherer, twenty six at the

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time of her disappearance, lived in Redmond with her husband

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Steve Schuer. That Sunday afternoon in September of nineteen ninety,

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Jamie's mother, Judy was looking after the couple's young son. Normally,

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Steve would repeatedly call to check in anytime Jamie had

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visited her parents' home, calling to ensure her safe arrival.

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Several more times thereafter, before finally insisting that she returned home.

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It's one thing to call and make sure that you're

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her wife made it to where she was going, but

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then to like keep calling. I was about to ask,

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was she picking up? Is that why? Like was she

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not picking up? Is that why he kept killing or

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they were definitely picking up the phone.

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Okay, if that sounds a little toxic, yeah, a little bit,

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like I don't know the story.

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Yeah, yeah, but that Sunday he hadn't checked in for

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five hours, completely unheard of, because he would call sometimes

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in fifteen minute intervals the entire time she was gone.

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WHOA if someone, dude, if someone's doing that to you,

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that's intense.

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That's entirely too.

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Much, very controlling, like just making sure that you're not

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like doing anything they wouldn't want you to be doing well.

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And really I think it was just like the point

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of like pestering her so that she would just come home.

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Yeah, that is so ugh.

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I don't like that, Like she's at her parents' house.

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Yeah, So I.

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Think it goes without saying that. We as a podcast,

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we hate that unless.

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You're both like, if you both want to be on

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the phone every fifteen minutes. Like, if you're both into it,

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go like you do, you go for it, be codependent

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if that's what you want.

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If you are both into that, I have to insist

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that you see a therapist. There's just no ifs ands

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or butts about that. I need you to just go

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see someone. I feel like, yeah, I gotta talk to somebody.

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Some people just like to be of each other's butts

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all the time. And that's fine if that's what you want.

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That's deep in there, that's so deep, so deep. As

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a girl, Jamie had been incredibly petite, though even as

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an adult woman, she'd really never topped about ninety five pounds.

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Very small, yes, and she was just over five feet

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like super short, very.

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Petite, like you said.

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The whole family played softball in local leagues, including Jamie.

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The Hagel children had what many might consider an idyllic upbringing,

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swimming in Lake Samamish, climbing trees with their friends, and

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in Jamie's case, riding horses.

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Very PMW stuff, you guys, that's the dream for Kate,

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like as a little girl, the horses.

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The family traveled back to North Dakota to visit extended

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family for holidays. Though they weren't the lone settlers in

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their newfound home state. They joined two of Jodie's brothers

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who had previously settled into Washington. Jamie was a sweet

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child and growing up had really close relationships with I mean,

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ultimately it seems like her entire family, but with both

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of her parents. As she went on to high school

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at Samamish High, little changed. So I'm sure that there

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were probably moments when she was a teen that, like

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her parents and her thought, but she never became like

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one of those super combative, you know, teenagers. Not a rebel, No,

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doesn't seem like it. Her sophomore year, Jamie began dating

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her high school sweetheart, Greg. Her family approved of their

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relationship and all got along really well, so pretty wholesome. Yeah,

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I feel like most of the time, your parents don't

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always love who you're dating when you're a teenager.

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Yeah, a lot of the time.

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Yeah, yeah, I mean the couple dated for nearly six years,

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the remainder of their time in high school and for

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some time after graduation as well. Greg would say in

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hindsight that Jamie had been his first love. Oh I know.

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Though eventually they grew apart as a couple, the two

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would remain friends.

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That's very sweet.

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I know, it's just so heartwarming. I like that. Eventually

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Jamie would meet someone new and very different from her

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first love Greg. It happens, yep, sure, yes. Steve Shearer

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was a twenty four year old motorcycle riding man that

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and this is a quote none of Jamie's family particularly

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cared for.

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Oh oh, she was getting into her rebel phase now,

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uh yeah, yeah yeah, and that was from the very beginning, Like,

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just didn't give off good vibes from the start. Man.

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Though not physic imposing at five seven, his abrasive personality

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hardly made it easier to like him. He's tall to her, though,

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Yeah exactly.

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Yeah, he's got that like short man syndrome.

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Oh my god, was he ever? Oh boy, call him Napoleon.

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Though Steve didn't seem to have steady work, typically, he

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did always drive nice cars and always seemed to make

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or at least have more than enough money. Nice Okay,

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you yeah, jealous? He'd right, Okay, I don't need to

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make money. I would just like to have some acin

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has cheeseburger, He'd told Jamie early on in their relationship

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that he came from a wealthy family.

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I feel like, by the way you said that he

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told her that it might not be true.

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Well, it's not exactly that it's untrue. I just feel

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like it's just a gigantic eye roll for me, oh,

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because it's like, okay, right, but dude, you're like twenty four,

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so I think most people would be hoping that maybe

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you'd be making some of your own money.

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I see, yeah, okay, huh ah, it's my family's money.

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How sexy is that so sexy? I love your daddy's money.

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Just go straight to the source, I know, just go

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for daddy. Yeah, well, wasn't really an option. Steve Frank

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Shearer was born just before nine am on November fourth,

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nineteen sixty one, in California, to parents David and Sherry.

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His father, David, was a bricklayer at the time, but

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once the family relocated to Washington, he started a construction company,

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Shearer Quality Homes in Effett. It quickly became a success

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as the new suburban neighborhoods around Seattle began to expand.

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In addition to their home in Lynnwood, they had multiple

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vacation homes in Scottsdale, Arizona, and Palm Desert, California, near

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the desirable affluent area of Rancho Mirage, Verfa.

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I've never heard of that.

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It's where, it's not far from like where they do Coachella.

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A lot of people go there to retire. There's a

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lot of celebrities with homes down there, a lot of

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like you know, high end hobbies like girls. David would

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die by suicide at age forty four, when Steve was

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just twenty two years old. Sit Reportedly he and his

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wife Sherry had frequent argued about his excessive drinking. On

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Thanksgiving nineteen eighty two, David decided to head down to

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their home and Palm Desert, telling Sherry he intended to

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get himself together, referring to his drinking, which I don't

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exactly think of like getting myself together as being like,

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here's the step I'm going to take. I'm going to

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go and spend a family holiday that's all about getting

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together and eating and being thankful by myself alone in

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one of our vacation properties. Doesn't really read like super

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serious about being sober and you know, fixing the problems

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in my marriage. It sounds like a maybe like a

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last get drunk, you know, yeah, I mean like a

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last hurrah. Yeah, that's the word. I was like, there's

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a word for this. Yes, there's a lot of words

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for them, and it actually there's it's not gonna go

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well obviously I led with, you know, the the unaliving, So.

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Like that's what I would want to think when someone's

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doing that, like not that they're gonna.

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Go right unlive themselves.

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That they're gonna go have like a last hurrah and

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then go to rehab, right.

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Right, right exactly. Yeah, you'd want to think like, Okay,

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he's having one last binge and then you know things

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are going to get better from here. And sadly that

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just obviously wasn't the case. However, when David called late

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that night, clearly heavily intoxicated, Sherry became concerned, though she

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didn't take what sounded like claims of suicidal ideation seriously.

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He had told her he had a gun in his possession.

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She wasn't aware of any besides a thirty two caliber

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that he had been given to him by his father.

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She believed that weapon to be back in their Washington

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State home, though she may not have believed every detail

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he shared as they fought bitterly over the phone. Something

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did compel her to get on a plane to California

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later that night. Wow, she got a really bad feeling

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either way.

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I think, honestly, if your husband's talking like that, even

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if you don't believe him, I feel like I would

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be doing the same thing, right. I feel like you

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should just default to believing people. Yeah, yeah, it's kind

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of a serious thing to like roll the dice, just

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my two cents. But when she arrived at their Palm

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Desert home, she would find her husband David dead of

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an apparent self inflicted gunshot wound to the head. By

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the time ems arrived, Rigrimordes had said in there was

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a bullet hole marked by blood spatter, but the bullet

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itself was not recovered. The detective believed it had descended

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to the floor between studs, rather than penetrating through the

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nearby wall. So the interesting thing about this is, I

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feel like, because because that bullet wasn't recovered, it was

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a through and through shot and they didn't recover that.

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At the scene, there were definitely some people that It's

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like there was almost like kind of chatter about like ooh,

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are we sure this was a suicide, and like, right,

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kind of seems a little fishy, and later events will

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make that seem like, oh, maybe we should look at

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that a second time. I don't think it ever got

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looked at a second time. Whohoa, that is weird. They

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couldn't like pull up the floorboards. I just think that

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when it was like seemingly such an apparent suicide, they

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were like, we're not gonna do that. But yeah, yeah, personally,

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I do think that based on the information that I have,

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more than likely it's a suicide. That piece of it

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is like a little bit wonky or kind of rolls

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around in the back of your mind like, ooh that.

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I wish they had just recovered it so that we

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could just like everybody could feel like we had everything.

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But the house itself showed no signs of forest entry,

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nothing was missing, and generally it appeared the house was undisturbed.

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David's body showed no signs of a struggle or defensive wounds.

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His toxicology report revealed a blood alcohol level of point one,

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which is pretty high. Yeah, I mean, it's odd as

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high as I was expecting. Yeah, I kind of thought

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the same though, no note had been left behind. His

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death was officially a suicide. He'd been in good health,

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and his untimely death was a shock. So I think

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that's the other thing that maybe gives people pause is that,

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like I feel a little bit weird that there's not

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a note. Not everyone leaves a note, but I feel

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like if you have a family, more often than not

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there's a note, right right.

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But if you're in like that drunken, yeah, say you're

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like not always yourself and you're.

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Maybe not down and yeah, maybe not feeling like the

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most clear headed obviously, but like making irrational decisions like yeah, yeah,

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I mean I think that definitely can play a part.

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It just I don't know. It almost made me want

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to look up like statistics about like, you know, what

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is the prevalence of people that like do versus don't

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leave notes.

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It is very interesting to like go away and be secluded,

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like in a house that you know, and not leave

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a note Like that is that makes it extra weird?

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I think I think so too. I feel like it's

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like I understand maybe not wanting to do that with

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other people present that presents some challenges, but like you

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know that you're still going to be found obviously, but yeah,

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I don't know.

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I mean, it makes me think he wasn't planning on

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it when he went there, and he just like made

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the decision while he was intoxicated.

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Yeah, I mean, it's so hard to say, but it is.

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But I feel like that's a that's an interesting thought.

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I hadn't really considered that. By the time his father died,

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Steve had already given both of his parents hell as

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a frequent flyer with law enforcement, no surprise given his

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mercurial moods malicious mischief, heavy drinking, and frequent drug use,

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as well as his penchant to become abusive, even violent

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when under the influence, which I feel like, why is

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it people that really like the drugs and the drinken

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the most that that seems to be the case. It's like,

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couldn't the person who becomes violent under the influence be

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one of those people that's just like squeaky clean, so

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that nobody has to find out, Like, wouldn't that be great?

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This was especially apparent when his easily inflamed jealousy reared

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its ugly head. He had a type petite blonde women,

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usually with ample chess, and he had an m O

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love bombing, which could turn to emotional and verbal abuse

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on a dime. Hmm, I just like it's so boring,

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it's so cliche. It's like, really, oh my god, he

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likes thin blonde women with big boobs. Jesus Christ.

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I mean, if you're thin and blonde and you have

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big boobs, like, nothing against you.

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Nothing wrong with that, but just like, as a man,

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that's your type. And then you're like, also, I'm going

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to be the most typical and just be like an

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absolute trash heap. Yes, but threats, choking, and other abuse

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weren't beyond his wheelhouse. A previous romantic partner had recalled

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a frightening incident. Resolved to escape the highly explosive relationship,

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she had abandoned her things in their shared department, only

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returning when it could be confirmed that Steve wouldn't be home.

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She returned to try to collect her things, to find

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that he'd laid out her stuffed animals and dolls. Decapit.

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What did they do to you? Honestly? This is like

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that is a sign to just like run as far

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and as fast as you can possibly get from this man,

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and like, don't ever look back, like old was he

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like that? This is like he's in his twenties. Like

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I feel like.

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That's something like a little girl would do. Who was

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throwing a fit because her sister like took something from

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her and she's like, I don't know, decapt it all

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of your dolls and stuffed animals like what?

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Okay. Also, I have to say, I'm sure there are

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kids that do things like this to get at a sibling,

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but like maybe that child should talk, someone should talk

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to them.

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It just sounded like a spoiled brat kid, like you know,

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oh yeah, slightly disturb.

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I mean, he is a spoiled brat kid. It came

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from a wealthy family, and he's obviously very used to

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getting his way. Okay, Like I.

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Know, also gender norms and whatever, but it's just like

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not something a grown man I would ever picture.

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Would do. I just feel like, don't, like whoever you are,

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just maybe don't Maybe we don't do this literally ever.

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If you're gonna like decapitate things, maybe like use it

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for Halloween decorations.

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Like that's fine, right if that's true.

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Yeah, I'm given style. I'm given to understand that this

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wasn't during spooky season. So that is just the weirdest

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any thing you've ever told me. I think, yeah, I

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mean it's so bizarre because obviously it's not harming her physically,

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but like the actual creepy ghost bumpy feeling that it

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gives me is just it's it's so chilling.

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I can like picture it too, Like I can picture

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his vibe and like his energy while he's like decapitating

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the dolls and like thinking of her.

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Right exactly exactly. God, It's just I really don't like it.

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I'm never going to get over this, Like I just

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want to keep analyzing it because.

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I know it's so odd, and I'm going to tell

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you we just don't have time.

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Can we talk to a therapist? Can we get a

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therapist on the show?

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Any therapist less?

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I think the psychological psychoellis yeah, psychoanalysts.

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We'll take what we can get, literally care what the

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title is. Sadly, this wouldn't be the last straw the

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cycle of breaking up and gradually taking Steve back. After

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his persistent baking continued, this woman continued the on again,

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off again patterned with Steve. And I know that we

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all probably have an awareness at this point of how

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difficult it is to leave. When you do leave, it

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is the most unsafe time in what can be a

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very like dangerous situation to begin with. But oh my god,

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oh my god, like this this just would have been

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I don't, I don't. I just don't see any way

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of coming back from this. I feel so so horrifically

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sad for a woman that would feel that either she

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has no choice or that she has really been manipulated

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by him at a level that their relationship continued after.

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That, that is yeah.

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Horrified, horrifying. Even when Steve entered a new relationship with Jamie,

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the abuse continued. Both women lived in the same complex,

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and at some point they actually became aware of one another.

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When she finally left for good, the other woman didn't

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manage to escape unscathed, and that violent assault led to

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Steve's arrest. As he was dragged away by officers, healed,

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fuck off, I'm going to kill you, bitch belligerently, which

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was documented in the arresting officer's report. Was he talking

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to the woman or the cop to the women? Yeah, okay,

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I mean I'm sure he was also angry at the

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at the officers as well. But you know, just the

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use of the word bitch.

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You know, you can call anyone a bitch, but it

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seems like it would be directed at the a woman.

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Yeah, yep, it was pretty clear. As their relationship progressed,

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Jamie's family witnessed her transform from blea her hair to

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losing the spark of confidence in her spirit. She quickly

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became subservient, isolated. Still, despite her parents' shock and horror,

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it seemed there was nothing they could do, and the

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couple even secretly got engaged. Ooh so not great. Jamie's

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size four thirteen thousand, five hundred dollars heirloom ring was

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ensured and and in October nineteen eighty six, Steve would

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report the ring in a number of other valuables, totaling

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more than thirty two thousand dollars stolen.

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Damn, yeah, I mean that sucks if that happened. Yep.

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Did I pick up a vibe? Sure did. Also, I

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just want to say, a thirteen thousand, five hundred dollars ring,

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that's a decent that's a decent ring, right, ah yeah,

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funny enough. The insurance company, they were kind of of

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the same mind as you. They thought the timing was

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incredibly suspicious, as their policy had been set to expire

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early in the new year. Ultimately, they would still pay

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the claim, even though doubts and suspicion seemingly lingered. Yeah,

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if your.

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Insurance company asked suspicions.

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Like yeah, yeah, And here's the thing. I didn't actually

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include this in my notes, but we know that this

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was insurance fraud. We know for sure a one thousand

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percent because Jamie's mother a few months later was like, wait,

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what that's your same ring. You guys bought a replacement

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and she's like, no, girl, I reckon, like I know

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that's your same ring. This isn't like a replica, this

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is the ring. And Jamie admitted she didn't know that

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this is what was happening, and what was she supposed

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to do now? She didn't know that Steve was going

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to do this, and now she felt like trapped because

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what is she going to do? Read out her fiance

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And my my answer is yes, yes.

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Yeah, but it's understandable why you wouldn't maybe.

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Or or maybe the right answer is drop a dime

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on that booch any whosel She could have been scared

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of him. I mean, she was definitely scared of him. Definitely,

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she could have been. She's definitely scared of him, and

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she had good reason to be. She'd already seen some

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things at that point.

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Decapitations.

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Well that wasn't Jamie, that was his. Oh oh wait, okay,

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that's right. I can't have whyse are so many. I

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know she doesn't.

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She doesn't even know about the decapitations, and she's scared presumably.

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I mean she knows that obviously he has a tendency

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to kind of fly off the handle. He's going to temper,

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he's got some addiction issues, so I mean she's not

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completely unaware of how volatile he can be. But yeah,

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suffice to say, yeah, she was scared of him a

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little bit, so, which is I mean, it's really sad

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to think that that's how this person lived their life.

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Yeah.

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During this period when the couple lived in California, Jamie's

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parents were wrecked with anxiety and worry for their daughter.

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While they certainly weren't given the whole picture, for better

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or worse, they couldn't have known how controlling and abusive

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Steve was already, nor how much worse it would get.

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So Jamie's brothers were a little bit more aware of

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some of the things that were going on behind the

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scenes at first, and they were not getting good vibes.

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But I think there was a little bit of an

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attitude with the family. And I understand this, and I'm

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inclined to agree because there's only so much you can do.

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This is an adult woman, and I think that you

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have to be there for her and whatever you can

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do to kind of show this person that, like, we

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love you and you know, I'm a safe space for you. You

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don't want to push them away.

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Yeah, because you could really easily, yeah, do that and

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isolate them with the.

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Yeah, and then there's there's no one that they feel

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like can be like their safety in that. And that's

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that's kind of worst case scenario. But it's got to

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be so so hard to witness and and to just

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sit with that that your sister, your daughter is you know,

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coexisting with this person his illicit hobbies and spending habits

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force them to take on a room. May Around this time,

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a young woman from Wisconsin who badly needed a place

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to live m She traded one bad living situation for

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another when she moved in with the couple. Not long

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after moving in with Jamie and Steve. She returned to

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their shared home to relax, and found herself facing Steve's wrath, oh,

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for which she could see really like no reason pretty.

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Much, I'm sure.

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Yeah. Drunken reasons, yeah yeah, well drunk and high reasons,

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Oh yeah, yeah. Cocaine's a hell of a drug. What

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started as a seemingly innocuous, if you know, a little

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bit heated conversation quickly escalated to a physical altercation. Jesus,

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it's just your roommate, bro, it's not that serious. It

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was pretty serious pretty quickly. God. Steve threatened both women

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with a knife, but in the end turned it on himself.

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The sound of sirens converging and their shared fear was

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interrupted by a brief moment of seemingly sheer dumb luck.

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Like literally this woman like ran into her room. She

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had like thrown a table to like create a physical

464
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:33.759
barrier between Steve and Jamie, and she fled to her

465
00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:36.759
room called nine one one, and the cops got there

466
00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:43.240
pretty quickly. And him hearing the sirens is what prompted

467
00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:48.799
him to, you know, just casually stab himself in the gut.

468
00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:53.920
Jesus Christ, I know, can you imagine the trauma both

469
00:31:53.920 --> 00:31:56.519
of these poor women like he's physically attacked them. They

470
00:31:56.519 --> 00:32:01.519
thought they were gonna die. Christmas teen eighty six, the

471
00:32:01.599 --> 00:32:06.400
couple spent in Washington with family. Well, it seems at

472
00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:11.000
least Jamie did, because Steve was actually arrested on Christmas

473
00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:15.000
Eve after driving without a valid license and violating the

474
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:21.599
protection order of his ex girlfriend. No, he went to

475
00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:25.079
her house. I don't know where he went to go

476
00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:28.839
to her, but he went to go to her. Sounds

477
00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:37.200
festive right Christmas Eve? Dude, Seriously, your fiance is enjoying

478
00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:41.920
the holiday with her family. But Steve did end up

479
00:32:41.960 --> 00:32:46.960
spending some time in jail, but unrelated to his holiday. Humbuggery,

480
00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:50.640
and it wouldn't be until several months later. I love

481
00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:56.319
saying humbug and humbuggery, humbuggery. You gotta be kidding me.

482
00:32:56.720 --> 00:32:57.359
I love it.

483
00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:00.680
If I could fit that somewhere into this again.

484
00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:04.720
That needs to be on a T shirt for Christmas

485
00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:07.759
or sweater. Humbuggery.

486
00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:10.759
I love it. While he was serving his time in

487
00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:14.359
May of nineteen eighty seven, Steve and Jamie wrote each other,

488
00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:19.839
the drama never ceasing, even as she found professional success

489
00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:23.960
and her new job working at Microsoft. Oh, she was

490
00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:29.519
in on like the ground floor. Okay, she got stock

491
00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:34.039
options and she Jamie's family was relieved that she was

492
00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:36.960
closer to them once again when the couple had decided

493
00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:41.279
to return to Washington and were happy for her professional success.

494
00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:47.880
At some point, Steve coaxed Jamie into getting implants, sizeable

495
00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:52.720
ones that many thought overwhelmed her small frame, and just

496
00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:56.400
like that, her wardrobe began to transform from clean cut,

497
00:33:57.359 --> 00:34:02.960
very like sporty to over feminine and often very revealing.

498
00:34:04.119 --> 00:34:05.960
Well, how could it not be rebellion if you got

499
00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:10.320
those big old kities, got them bazagnas, They're just gonna

500
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:11.320
fall out of everything.

501
00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:15.599
That that's my problem. Now. I've seen photos of her

502
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:18.519
after she had the implants done, and I actually don't

503
00:34:18.559 --> 00:34:23.199
think they were all that crazy, just from like what

504
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:26.199
I can tell, I don't know what the before really

505
00:34:26.320 --> 00:34:30.519
looked like. Uh, I'm almost like late eighties or early nineties.

506
00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:33.599
You said, yeah, late eighties. Yeah, so I feel like.

507
00:34:33.599 --> 00:34:38.280
Big like Pamela Anderson like boobies were. Yeah, they're kind

508
00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:41.400
of in you know hm. And I don't feel bad

509
00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:42.880
if she didn't want those.

510
00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:49.039
Though, like yeah, I you know, I I think he

511
00:34:49.159 --> 00:34:52.840
just wore her down basically. So, like I said, I

512
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:55.800
don't think they were that crazy for the time, and

513
00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:58.599
I feel like you should be able to to do

514
00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:02.320
whatever you want. I so I just I don't think

515
00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:06.000
that we need quite so much commentary on women's bodies

516
00:35:06.039 --> 00:35:10.960
and choices, no past, present future, just maybe shut the

517
00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:14.480
fuck up. But like you shouldn't have any opinion on right,

518
00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:18.239
But this wasn't her choice, and that's that's where I

519
00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:21.239
get a little bit upset. I also get a little

520
00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:25.800
bit upset because of the way that Anne Rule in

521
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:30.679
her book described Jamie's wedding dress, because I have seen

522
00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:35.880
the dress, and shame on you for talking about my

523
00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:41.039
friend Jamie that way. But I digress. Oh no, it

524
00:35:41.079 --> 00:35:46.119
wasn't it was it was a little slutshamy. H I know. Ultimately,

525
00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:50.880
like that wasn't really the that wasn't really a.

526
00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:53.679
Thing that like that was the thing everyone did up

527
00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:55.239
until just like a couple of years ago.

528
00:35:55.239 --> 00:35:59.599
So right, right, yeah, yeah, and ultimately, like a lot

529
00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:01.119
of people are still doing.

530
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:04.519
But yeah, non excuse, but it's just a fact.

531
00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:08.239
Yeah, I mean really, the takeaway here is just that

532
00:36:08.559 --> 00:36:12.840
Jamie is making a lot of changes and all at

533
00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:15.960
the urging of Steve. And so whether you think the

534
00:36:16.039 --> 00:36:18.679
boobs were big or not, it doesn't really matter. It's

535
00:36:18.760 --> 00:36:25.760
just giving, controlling and dick. Personally, I thought they looked incredible.

536
00:36:26.840 --> 00:36:30.360
Then of course eventually there would be a wedding, because

537
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:34.840
they did get married. Even Steve's own sister was surprised

538
00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:37.239
at Jamie's choice of dress when the couple typed the

539
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:40.599
Knot in July of nineteen eighty seven. Despite it being

540
00:36:40.679 --> 00:36:43.360
such a formal affair, the dress she dawned was far

541
00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:49.199
more revealing than Steve's sister thought was probably typical of

542
00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:55.760
her style, particularly with her newly augmented bust. Honestly, I

543
00:36:55.960 --> 00:36:58.760
was expecting this thing to be cut down a hill

544
00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:04.159
and be like like yours. I was gonna say, I

545
00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:07.960
actually think my wedding dress was like a lot more revealing.

546
00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:10.840
Yeah, Like, now I want to see this because and

547
00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:13.199
now I'm feeling like it's being hyped up and I.

548
00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:16.039
Yeah, well, here's the thing. I was a little bit

549
00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:19.079
pissed off when I finally got to the point of

550
00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:21.800
seeing photos of the wedding dress, Like it took me

551
00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:24.800
a minute to process, and I was like, crazy person,

552
00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:30.039
say what because I'm like, okay, here, oh that is

553
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:34.039
like it's like not even that is nothing.

554
00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:37.360
It's literally I think just because her boobs are big,

555
00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:41.039
that people think that and her boobs do not look.

556
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:47.920
Like then they're she looks beautiful. No, she's gorgeous. I

557
00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:52.079
mean I feel like if the dress that she picked

558
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:56.559
wasn't to her liking, or you know, having the boobs

559
00:37:56.599 --> 00:37:59.880
done that wasn't to her liking, I hate that. I

560
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:04.400
hate that a lot, but I just, you know, like

561
00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:09.840
I didn't care for how Anne Rule put it at all.

562
00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:13.480
I just felt like it was very slutshamy and I

563
00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:17.079
didn't like it. I was just reading my next line

564
00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:21.559
and it immediately Dixie Chick started playing in my head. Earl,

565
00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:28.320
how to Die wasn't too long anyways. It wasn't too

566
00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:31.639
long after the couple married that Jamie and Steve were

567
00:38:31.719 --> 00:38:38.119
expecting their first child. Steve didn't seem terribly interested. No, no,

568
00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:39.159
which is why not.

569
00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:40.760
Have someone else to control?

570
00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:45.519
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I guess he hadn't thought of that

571
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:46.840
ankle yet.

572
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:48.320
Well I'm glad he didn't.

573
00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:51.119
Well, I think it would occur to him eventually, so

574
00:38:51.159 --> 00:38:54.960
I wouldn't get excited his interest lay in the now

575
00:38:55.039 --> 00:38:59.480
evident proof of his virility, and it did nothing to

576
00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:04.400
soften and shall we say his rough edges, because it

577
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:08.840
never does. It literally never does. If he's a piece

578
00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:11.719
of shit before you have a baby, guess what now,

579
00:39:11.760 --> 00:39:13.960
you just had a baby with a piece of shit.

580
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:21.079
It's not her fault. By this time, he'd abandoned anything

581
00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:26.159
resembling pretense or niceties with the Hegel family. He picked

582
00:39:26.159 --> 00:39:30.920
it Judy, particularly, telling her so frequently to stay out

583
00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:34.280
of their business or she wouldn't see Jamie that she

584
00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:38.679
was fearful any gesture might lead to her daughter being

585
00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:45.159
ripped away and possibly permanently. Steve refused to be present

586
00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:50.960
during the delivery of their child if Judy was there. Though,

587
00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:54.159
when the time came and labor had worn on for Jamie,

588
00:39:55.719 --> 00:39:58.639
I think at this point she was at God. I

589
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:00.760
want to say she'd been a and this is just

590
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:02.119
off the top of my head, I want to say

591
00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:06.639
she'd been in labor for like twenty one hours or something. Shit.

592
00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:12.480
He called missus Hagel himself. Judy was surprised and grateful,

593
00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:18.119
which honestly might be one of the only kind things

594
00:40:18.159 --> 00:40:21.519
that he ever did for anyone, and I feel like

595
00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:24.920
it was selfish because I'm pretty sure he left after that.

596
00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:27.760
He just was done. That was that's a long time.

597
00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:31.119
He needed to go have a drink. Yeah, hit the slopes.

598
00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:36.519
As you might suspect. Unfortunately, becoming a father didn't have

599
00:40:36.599 --> 00:40:42.480
a particularly stabilizing effect on Steve. Reliable caretaking isn't always

600
00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:46.199
within the wheelhouse of someone presumably in the throes of addiction,

601
00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:50.960
misguided as it was. In addition to being very troubling,

602
00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:56.519
Jamie said she sometimes used cocaine herself because, and this

603
00:40:56.559 --> 00:41:01.559
is a quote that a friend shared, because the more

604
00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:04.800
I do, the less Steve will and the less I

605
00:41:04.840 --> 00:41:07.199
will have to put up with. We won't have so

606
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:10.159
much fighting. I do it just to keep the peace.

607
00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:12.760
Holy shit balls.

608
00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:18.559
Yeah, that's just sad. She had tried actually just holding

609
00:41:18.679 --> 00:41:22.480
back some of his stash, and when he figured out

610
00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:26.360
that she was doing that, that was a big problem.

611
00:41:27.079 --> 00:41:31.719
Oh man. So so she's like, well, I'll just do it.

612
00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:34.679
I guess I will just also consume some as well,

613
00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:38.840
so that there's less for him to do. Wow, which

614
00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:41.960
is I feel like I don't need to explain that

615
00:41:41.960 --> 00:41:44.519
that's problematic, But that's.

616
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:46.320
Just yeah, that's just really sad to.

617
00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:49.679
Me, I know. And then here's the other thing is

618
00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:52.320
I had this thought that, uh and here I am

619
00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:55.400
thinking that people do cocaine because they were told by

620
00:41:55.400 --> 00:41:59.360
a doctor there's ghosts in their blood. Wait, is that

621
00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:04.079
the care for ghost blood? I was a little cocaine,

622
00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:08.039
I don't think so. I think I got the ghost blood,

623
00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:12.039
you guys. As the decade was nearing a close in

624
00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:16.400
November of nineteen eighty nine, little had changed other than

625
00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:20.079
a young child being thrown into the mix.

626
00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:23.599
Oh that's sad for everyone involved.

627
00:42:24.039 --> 00:42:28.199
Yes, yeah, it really is. I feel like it's just

628
00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:32.440
that's not a good situation. And yeah, it was like

629
00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:36.880
a race to the bottom for Steve to prove to

630
00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:42.000
everyone how badly he would, you know, fuck up a kid.

631
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:48.199
Honest right. There were so many examples. They hurt my

632
00:42:48.320 --> 00:42:52.599
heart a lot. So I chose to leave some of

633
00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:55.840
those things out and just you know, we're kind of

634
00:42:55.880 --> 00:43:00.360
going broader strokes. But yeah, no, he was. He was

635
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:05.159
not a great dad, shocking. Whenever Steve was otherwise occupied

636
00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:08.280
by spending time at the racetrack or whatever else he

637
00:43:08.320 --> 00:43:11.599
got up to, Jamie managed to sneak in visits for

638
00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:14.639
quality time with her parents and the rest of her family.

639
00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:18.280
She was holding her own at Microsoft, and the couple

640
00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:22.119
was hopeful about buying a home. In the end, she'd

641
00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:25.840
put her She put her company's stock up as collateral

642
00:43:26.119 --> 00:43:29.960
so that Sherry, her mother in law, Steve's mother, would

643
00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:34.440
give them the means to purchase. I don't love that

644
00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:37.000
because I just feel like, what does Steve bring to

645
00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:41.480
the table, you know, and just because you can kind

646
00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:45.480
of force these things to pencil out on paper, I

647
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:48.480
just you know, what is he doing?

648
00:43:48.519 --> 00:43:49.239
What's his job?

649
00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:51.719
Have you talked about that? So? I mentioned early on

650
00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:55.360
that he wasn't real great about holding down stable work

651
00:43:55.519 --> 00:43:59.559
and that was kind of a constant for Steve kind

652
00:43:59.559 --> 00:44:02.119
of thoughts. So yeah, yeah, so.

653
00:44:02.119 --> 00:44:04.800
His wife and his mommy are doing it for him.

654
00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:10.519
You're got it. Yeah, you gotta love that. So around

655
00:44:10.599 --> 00:44:14.320
the time they were securing said home in Redmond, Jamie

656
00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:17.760
confided and at least one friend that once they moved in,

657
00:44:18.039 --> 00:44:19.440
she planned to leave Steve.

658
00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:23.159
That's kind of bold to have, like your mother in

659
00:44:23.239 --> 00:44:24.679
law help you get a house and.

660
00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:26.639
Then and then your son.

661
00:44:27.159 --> 00:44:27.599
Yeah.

662
00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:30.760
I just feel like, okay, and you can tell me

663
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:34.639
maybe we'll have to cut this. But like immediately, the

664
00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:38.599
thought that I had was like, not quite sure. I

665
00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:41.480
understand the logic. I feel like it's a lot easier

666
00:44:41.599 --> 00:44:46.440
to to separate and to sever ties, Like you're already

667
00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:50.559
married and you have a kid. Why are you creating

668
00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:56.159
an additional tie to this man? It just, honestly, to me,

669
00:44:56.320 --> 00:45:00.199
it seems like the financial equivalent of like like how

670
00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:03.800
the mob will tie cement blocks to someone before you

671
00:45:03.840 --> 00:45:08.400
know they push him off a pier. I don't get that.

672
00:45:09.320 --> 00:45:13.280
Maybe she was hoping that like if Steve is like

673
00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:18.559
has a place to be, then like he won't need her.

674
00:45:18.760 --> 00:45:21.360
I just I couldn't really wrap my head around it.

675
00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:23.719
I really, it just doesn't make sense to me.

676
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:26.239
But was she Oh I was thinking like she was

677
00:45:26.280 --> 00:45:28.920
playing on kicking out of him out of the house

678
00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:29.559
or something.

679
00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:33.519
Maybe yeah, I feel like like part of me wants

680
00:45:33.559 --> 00:45:37.239
to think that, Like maybe maybe that. But also if

681
00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:40.719
you're relying on his mom to help you, and you've

682
00:45:40.719 --> 00:45:45.480
put up your Microsoft stock to like convince her to

683
00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:48.480
help you, guys, it just seems like that doesn't put

684
00:45:48.519 --> 00:45:53.119
you in a position of power from like any standpoint.

685
00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:56.199
I don't get it, but which like you don't need

686
00:45:56.239 --> 00:45:58.079
to be in a position of power to leave, like,

687
00:45:58.199 --> 00:46:00.119
leave if you feel like you need to leave, you.

688
00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:04.039
Right, I just feel like this it just makes it

689
00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:04.960
more complicated.

690
00:46:05.559 --> 00:46:08.159
Yeah. Yeah, maybe she just wanted to make sure a

691
00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:10.559
kid had like a house, like somewhere to be.

692
00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:15.039
I mean, and that completely understandable, totally get that. I

693
00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:18.280
just have a hard time putting myself like where was

694
00:46:18.320 --> 00:46:22.920
her head at with that in particular? But once they

695
00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:26.760
had their fixer upper starter home, little changed and it

696
00:46:27.079 --> 00:46:32.360
was definitely a fixer upper. Oh, but Steve had a

697
00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:37.599
new passion project of sorts, and that was convincing his

698
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:41.639
wife to give swinging and threesomes a try. I thought

699
00:46:41.679 --> 00:46:46.679
you were going to say, home renovation. Come on, come on, are.

700
00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:49.159
There more important things going on in your life right now?

701
00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:51.239
New baby, new house, Like.

702
00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:56.239
Hmm, yeah, the timing of this feels a little bit

703
00:46:56.639 --> 00:47:04.000
is off. But suffice to say, Jamie was disinterested. No shit,

704
00:47:05.079 --> 00:47:07.639
she just gave birth and you know, you guys have

705
00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:10.599
a young child and you just bought a house. And

706
00:47:11.719 --> 00:47:15.920
you know, I'm not trying to yuck anybody's young, you know,

707
00:47:16.480 --> 00:47:19.239
but it just doesn't seem like they're in the place

708
00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:22.639
for that. Everybody's different but it doesn't seem like that's

709
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:28.440
where her head was at. But obviously we know that

710
00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:31.719
Steve has no issue with just grabbing her head and

711
00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:37.400
directing it where he wants it. So again, Jamie was disinterested,

712
00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:41.280
but that didn't stop Steve from placing ads seeking a

713
00:47:41.360 --> 00:47:45.760
meal for an encounter with Jamie. I'm gonna say cuckolding

714
00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:49.639
seems an odd choice for a man who was so

715
00:47:49.960 --> 00:47:56.880
pretty naturally jealous, right, often saying he enjoyed the idea

716
00:47:57.360 --> 00:48:01.079
of watching her with another man, but that he would

717
00:48:01.159 --> 00:48:04.760
kill her if she ever cheated on him. There are

718
00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:14.559
so many people that specifically he talked to about this fantasy,

719
00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:20.039
but also just told them in kind of out of

720
00:48:20.119 --> 00:48:23.039
context situations like if she ever cheated on me, I

721
00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:24.480
would kill her.

722
00:48:24.920 --> 00:48:28.039
But it's not cheating if you're wanting it to happen, Right,

723
00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:29.079
is that what he means?

724
00:48:29.199 --> 00:48:32.039
Or right? But he's saying I think you know ultimately,

725
00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:36.960
because all this is is it's another play for control. Yeah,

726
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:39.679
so as long as he's the one pulling the strings,

727
00:48:40.840 --> 00:48:44.039
that's fine. I can't see him being okay with it

728
00:48:44.079 --> 00:48:51.280
even then, though, uh, well, start picturing it. Increasingly dissatisfied

729
00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:54.039
in her marriage, and worried about the safety of herself

730
00:48:54.159 --> 00:48:58.599
and their young child, Chris. Jamie was surreptitiously looking for

731
00:48:58.679 --> 00:49:03.320
a way out. By September nineteen ninety, it seemed there

732
00:49:03.360 --> 00:49:07.440
may have been a glimmer of light, I mean something

733
00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:12.239
resembling what she thought was maybe a very distant, very

734
00:49:13.039 --> 00:49:18.840
blurry glimmer of some sort of light. Lee, a low

735
00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:22.519
level drug dealer that Steve had frequently attempted to push

736
00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:25.960
on her as a potential sexual partner for his enjoyment,

737
00:49:27.159 --> 00:49:33.480
was someone she'd seemingly grown a lot closer to. Both

738
00:49:33.519 --> 00:49:39.559
he and Jamie felt embarrassed by Steve's constant pressuring. I

739
00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:43.920
can't even imagine how awkward that would be. Seriously, like,

740
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:51.000
dude has no chill. Yeah, he has zero point zero, zero,

741
00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:55.599
zero percent chill. Lee may not have been a boy scout,

742
00:49:56.039 --> 00:50:00.880
but he deeply disliked the abusive treatment Jamie frequently received

743
00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:05.800
from Steve, which is like, okay, cool, so you're about

744
00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:10.840
treating people like people. That's one in the column for Lee.

745
00:50:11.159 --> 00:50:13.280
Just because you're a drug dealer doesn't mean you're a

746
00:50:13.400 --> 00:50:16.519
terrible person. Well, and also I'm like okay.

747
00:50:16.280 --> 00:50:19.559
Well, like what kind of drugs you know right, I

748
00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:22.920
got a lot of follow up questions. I mean, I

749
00:50:23.039 --> 00:50:25.719
know that it wasn't just weed, but like, I want

750
00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:29.440
to just picture him as a funny weed dealer. Honestly,

751
00:50:29.519 --> 00:50:31.679
I kind of want to picture him as that guy,

752
00:50:32.400 --> 00:50:35.920
uh from that seventy show with the long hair, you know.

753
00:50:37.159 --> 00:50:39.880
Oh god, I can't remember that character's name. Oh, the

754
00:50:39.920 --> 00:50:43.880
stony the stoner guy. Yeah, the stoner guy. Leo Leo,

755
00:50:46.840 --> 00:50:53.920
Leo Lee. It all connects. It all connects. Now, we

756
00:50:54.000 --> 00:51:00.719
sound like the Stoners, well, I mean, you know AnyWho. Additionally,

757
00:51:00.920 --> 00:51:04.880
around this time, a close girlfriend of Jamie's who herself

758
00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:08.000
was about to enter a trial separation from her husband,

759
00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:12.480
and actually they had been pregnant at around the same time,

760
00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:15.079
so both of their kids were around the same age.

761
00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:20.039
They had really bonded through that experience. She offered her

762
00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:23.920
a lifeline with a place to stay, encouraging her to

763
00:51:24.039 --> 00:51:28.159
leave Steve. I'm sure she was. Yeah, She's like, listen,

764
00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:30.880
it might not be working out, it's a trial separation

765
00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:33.840
with my husband, but you should for suresys get the

766
00:51:33.960 --> 00:51:39.679
hell out of there, Steve, who hopefully he's a distant memory.

767
00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:44.519
Jamie set plans in motion for childcare lying to both

768
00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:48.559
Steve and her mother about precisely what her plans were,

769
00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:53.239
and she went on a date with Lee. I just

770
00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:53.880
feel like.

771
00:51:55.400 --> 00:51:59.079
There's other things that are more important than like sex

772
00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:02.559
and dating have and both of these people are just like.

773
00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:07.639
Yeah, I mean they're both very young, and I think

774
00:52:08.079 --> 00:52:11.639
at this point in their relationship, Jamie had just been

775
00:52:12.400 --> 00:52:18.000
beaten down so far from where she started, that her

776
00:52:18.119 --> 00:52:22.360
sense of self worth and that like she would ever

777
00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:26.320
be able to find love again, that she was worthy.

778
00:52:27.800 --> 00:52:35.360
I think she needed to feel like there was someone there,

779
00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:40.519
like as a lifeline, and I think it's so common.

780
00:52:40.960 --> 00:52:47.400
I feel like, yeah. In the following days, she revealed

781
00:52:47.440 --> 00:52:51.079
the truth to her mother. A flurry of calls came

782
00:52:51.119 --> 00:53:01.079
in from Steve, and this time they weren't answering. Finally,

783
00:53:01.800 --> 00:53:04.960
Jamie agreed to speak with him and said directly, Steve,

784
00:53:05.360 --> 00:53:09.199
it's over. I don't love you anymore. I want a divorce.

785
00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:10.360
It's over.

786
00:53:11.320 --> 00:53:14.880
Who like, give me chillies?

787
00:53:15.400 --> 00:53:19.840
Yeah, I know, I know, just like feeling how hard

788
00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:21.679
that I know it was for her to say.

789
00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:25.199
Saying it gave me chills because it.

790
00:53:25.320 --> 00:53:28.119
Just look at them goose pimples.

791
00:53:28.480 --> 00:53:31.079
I know my arms and it is hot in here

792
00:53:31.119 --> 00:53:34.280
because her conditioner is off. I don't think you can

793
00:53:34.320 --> 00:53:37.559
see mine either, but they are holy shit, every hair

794
00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:40.800
on my arm. Surprised as she was to hear it,

795
00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:48.280
Judy knew Jamie meant it. She was concerned her daughter's

796
00:53:48.280 --> 00:53:52.320
resolve would waiver when Jamie agreed to go meet step

797
00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:55.320
in person and tried to reason with her not to go.

798
00:53:56.360 --> 00:53:57.880
That makes sense.

799
00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:04.880
This is the last thing that This is the last

800
00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:07.400
thing that she said to her mother, at least face

801
00:54:07.800 --> 00:54:13.239
to face. She did speak to Jamie after this. As

802
00:54:13.239 --> 00:54:16.920
she walked out the door, she said, all he can

803
00:54:16.960 --> 00:54:17.760
do is kill me.

804
00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:18.119
Mom.

805
00:54:20.320 --> 00:54:24.280
Judy said, I'm going to give you twenty minutes and

806
00:54:24.320 --> 00:54:27.400
then I'm going to be down there, and they were

807
00:54:27.559 --> 00:54:31.559
meeting in a public place. True to her word, Judy

808
00:54:31.679 --> 00:54:34.559
was set to send Jamie's father, Jerry, as a call

809
00:54:34.639 --> 00:54:36.840
came in from Jamie that she was at her in

810
00:54:36.920 --> 00:54:40.280
Steve's home. So they met in a public place. But

811
00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:42.679
she's calling now from their home.

812
00:54:43.639 --> 00:54:43.960
Oh.

813
00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:48.719
When she'd shown up to meet him, he'd taken off

814
00:54:48.760 --> 00:54:54.519
with her purse. It's fucking psycho shit. So she decided

815
00:54:54.559 --> 00:54:57.360
to head home to pack some things for herself and

816
00:54:57.440 --> 00:55:01.760
Christopher knowing Steve would be there with her purse. A

817
00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:04.360
handful of hours went by and Jamie said she was

818
00:55:04.440 --> 00:55:08.280
on her way with taco time, a lunchtime ritual for

819
00:55:08.360 --> 00:55:15.679
the mother and daughter. Judy waited, but Jamie never showed. Strangely,

820
00:55:16.519 --> 00:55:21.199
the hegel phone sat silent, no follow up calls from Jamie.

821
00:55:21.480 --> 00:55:25.760
But almost more bizarrely was the lack of Steve's typical

822
00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:30.880
barrage on the line looking for Jamie because he knew

823
00:55:31.599 --> 00:55:36.599
that was September thirtieth, nineteen ninety and as the days

824
00:55:36.840 --> 00:55:41.599
wore on, Jamie's friends, family, and colleagues at Microsoft became

825
00:55:41.760 --> 00:55:45.719
increasingly concerned because she never showed up with taco time.

826
00:55:46.599 --> 00:55:49.800
Microsoft would eventually put up a reward. As flyers were

827
00:55:49.800 --> 00:55:54.719
circulated and many joined search efforts for Jamie. Notably, according

828
00:55:54.760 --> 00:55:58.039
to the recollections of many, Steve was not among the

829
00:55:58.119 --> 00:56:02.519
dedicated searchers. Where is he He's there? He didn't even

830
00:56:02.519 --> 00:56:08.079
seem interested in sharing Jamie's missing person flyers, and indeed

831
00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:12.280
some would be privy to the incredibly quick romantic recovery

832
00:56:12.360 --> 00:56:15.719
he seemingly made. Surely, no one wanted to think about

833
00:56:15.719 --> 00:56:21.000
discovering a body rather than Jamie safe and alive somehow. However,

834
00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:24.360
through the course of the investigation, various types of K

835
00:56:24.480 --> 00:56:28.519
nine units were used to aid the search efforts, including

836
00:56:28.599 --> 00:56:36.079
cadaver dogs. October fifth, a relative of Steve's discovered Jamie's car. Now,

837
00:56:36.400 --> 00:56:42.559
this relative had, I forget what exactly professional position, but

838
00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:50.280
Steve knew that this area where Jamie's car was discovered

839
00:56:50.400 --> 00:56:55.880
was part of his normal area for his job, whatever

840
00:56:55.920 --> 00:57:02.000
that was. So Jamie's car, a nineteen eighty min RX seven,

841
00:57:03.280 --> 00:57:06.639
was discovered near the parking lot of the Unitarian Church

842
00:57:07.079 --> 00:57:11.159
north of Seattle. The driver's side door was unlocked, her

843
00:57:11.239 --> 00:57:15.559
duffel bag tucked behind that seat, And there were some

844
00:57:15.639 --> 00:57:20.159
concerning findings, like there were a lot of things packed

845
00:57:20.199 --> 00:57:23.519
into that duffel bag, but it didn't appear to have

846
00:57:23.639 --> 00:57:28.039
been packed by Jamie. It didn't really make sense, hmmm.

847
00:57:29.199 --> 00:57:33.559
And it's hard for anybody to point to like precisely

848
00:57:34.039 --> 00:57:36.440
how they knew that, But they just knew that, Like

849
00:57:36.599 --> 00:57:39.320
she was going there to get her purse from Steve

850
00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:42.519
number one, and then she was going to pack up

851
00:57:42.559 --> 00:57:45.599
things for her and her son, and they were like

852
00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:48.719
none of the stuff she threw in that duffel bag

853
00:57:48.760 --> 00:57:52.599
allegedly made sense like kind of like a man would

854
00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:56.760
pack it. M hmm, yeah, like thirteen pairs of socks

855
00:57:56.800 --> 00:57:59.519
but no pants, or you know, vice versa.

856
00:58:00.159 --> 00:58:00.719
Interesting.

857
00:58:01.320 --> 00:58:06.360
Yeah. The afternoon of October tenth, emergency services were called

858
00:58:06.440 --> 00:58:10.719
to the Education Hill area of Redmond. Steve had apparently

859
00:58:10.840 --> 00:58:15.920
attempted suicide by carbon monoxide poisoning. They found a wedding

860
00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:19.719
portrait of Steve and Jamie, along with a rambling note

861
00:58:19.760 --> 00:58:23.960
he'd written, as well as a cordless phone. As he

862
00:58:24.039 --> 00:58:28.519
was helicoptered off to the hospital, things weren't looking good. Chris,

863
00:58:28.679 --> 00:58:31.920
their young son, had already lost a missing mother and

864
00:58:32.000 --> 00:58:36.800
now his father in critical condition as well. Fortunately, Steve,

865
00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:40.239
I mean fortunately or unfortunately, it's hard to say, but

866
00:58:41.599 --> 00:58:44.119
Steve had called nine one one in time so that

867
00:58:44.159 --> 00:58:47.280
he could be saved, so Chris wouldn't be left an orphan.

868
00:58:47.400 --> 00:58:50.880
After all, he called nine one one from the car

869
00:58:51.119 --> 00:58:53.760
while he was allegedly trying to kill himself.

870
00:58:54.199 --> 00:58:55.719
That's what I was gonna say, is he is this

871
00:58:55.880 --> 00:58:59.239
just like an act to make it seem like he's

872
00:58:59.400 --> 00:59:02.559
so obsese set that his wife is missing.

873
00:59:03.199 --> 00:59:05.599
Kind of seems like it, doesn't it, because he's not

874
00:59:05.760 --> 00:59:08.840
so upset that he's actually helping in the search effort.

875
00:59:09.119 --> 00:59:12.519
He's not so upset about her missing that he's putting

876
00:59:12.599 --> 00:59:16.559
up posters. Detectives went to speak with Steve at the

877
00:59:16.599 --> 00:59:21.639
hospital the following day, only to find he'd actually already

878
00:59:21.679 --> 00:59:26.960
been discharged and was actually across the street. He was

879
00:59:27.000 --> 00:59:30.360
sitting at a mental health center right across the street

880
00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:35.039
from the hospital. The detectives were met with yet another surprise.

881
00:59:35.880 --> 00:59:40.519
There he was with attorney Peter Mayer, a very well

882
00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:46.239
known criminal defense attorney in Seattle. Why it's really interesting, right,

883
00:59:46.360 --> 00:59:49.440
your wife goes missing, you allegedly try to kill yourself,

884
00:59:50.079 --> 00:59:56.320
and immediately after being discharged from this suicide attempt, you

885
00:59:57.239 --> 01:00:02.360
check in to a mental health facility and hire one

886
01:00:02.400 --> 01:00:07.480
of the best criminal defense attorneys in your area. Was

887
01:00:07.519 --> 01:00:10.119
he being like, did they hint that they were looking

888
01:00:10.159 --> 01:00:15.840
at him? I have to imagine he had an awareness that. Okay,

889
01:00:15.960 --> 01:00:19.440
I mean, here's the thing, though, it's weird that he

890
01:00:19.639 --> 01:00:23.440
chose that moment. Yeah, you just got out of the

891
01:00:23.519 --> 01:00:28.360
hospital for something that could have killed you, and your

892
01:00:28.559 --> 01:00:35.119
number one priority is now now retaining legal counsel, and

893
01:00:35.199 --> 01:00:40.199
not just any counsel. Listen, it's circumstantial at best.

894
01:00:39.960 --> 01:00:43.760
But it just seems odd. I could see if I

895
01:00:43.800 --> 01:00:47.320
guess if he was trying to kill himself because he

896
01:00:47.599 --> 01:00:52.280
thought that he might get pulled in for questioning or something.

897
01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:55.119
Here's the thing, You're gonna be hauled in for questioning

898
01:00:55.159 --> 01:00:59.199
because my wife is fucking missing. So and people that

899
01:00:59.360 --> 01:01:03.280
didn't kill their wife don't try to commit suicide and

900
01:01:03.320 --> 01:01:07.440
then immediately hire the best criminal defense attorney that you

901
01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:10.760
can get in a major metropolitan city.

902
01:01:11.079 --> 01:01:13.199
It's odd timing, sure.

903
01:01:13.119 --> 01:01:18.039
Is it' sus as hell? Nothing seemed to develop with

904
01:01:18.119 --> 01:01:22.920
Jamie's missing person's case. The Hagel sadly had to begin

905
01:01:23.000 --> 01:01:28.280
accepting that they may never have answers. On the bright side,

906
01:01:28.360 --> 01:01:32.679
they were awarded custody of Chris. Their attempts to hire

907
01:01:32.760 --> 01:01:39.440
pis and get answers were multiple and very costly. Finally,

908
01:01:39.800 --> 01:01:44.239
in mid nineteen ninety seven, the King County Emmy declared

909
01:01:44.320 --> 01:01:48.159
Jamie dead. It had been nearly seven years since Jamie

910
01:01:48.199 --> 01:01:54.559
had disappeared, after all, damn dude. The investigation was reinvigorated

911
01:01:54.679 --> 01:01:58.880
around this time thanks to Judy's urging when conversing at

912
01:01:58.960 --> 01:02:02.840
length with Lute James Taylor, head of Major crimes with

913
01:02:02.960 --> 01:02:07.000
the Redmond Police Department. She said they agreed it was

914
01:02:07.039 --> 01:02:11.079
time to face the fact that her daughter had certainly passed.

915
01:02:12.079 --> 01:02:14.239
And that's where I'm going to leave you for part one.

916
01:02:15.960 --> 01:02:17.400
That's so heartbreaking.

917
01:02:18.519 --> 01:02:21.760
I cannot believe. Well, I can't, I mean, I can't believe.

918
01:02:22.000 --> 01:02:24.639
But the last thing that she said to her mom

919
01:02:24.840 --> 01:02:27.760
was like, all he could do is kill me. Oh,

920
01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:30.079
and it's so true.

921
01:02:31.280 --> 01:02:35.559
Oh my god. I mean, like the worst part is

922
01:02:35.559 --> 01:02:38.360
is that she had already she had already been through

923
01:02:38.599 --> 01:02:41.599
so much with Steve, and I feel like at that

924
01:02:41.679 --> 01:02:45.440
point she was like, listen, all this left is that

925
01:02:45.639 --> 01:02:49.000
he can kill me, and like she was at her

926
01:02:49.039 --> 01:02:51.239
breaking point. She was like I'm done. I'm not doing

927
01:02:51.280 --> 01:02:56.079
this anymore, and like she'd almost rather be yeah, dead

928
01:02:56.159 --> 01:02:57.400
than than to put up.

929
01:02:57.360 --> 01:02:58.119
With it anymore.

930
01:02:58.679 --> 01:03:02.679
But to say that before, it's like she's like, Mom,

931
01:03:02.800 --> 01:03:05.360
like calmed down, and like the last thing that's going

932
01:03:05.440 --> 01:03:07.079
to do is calm your mom down.

933
01:03:07.519 --> 01:03:09.719
Yeah, girl, girl.

934
01:03:10.679 --> 01:03:13.639
And how haunting to be the mom and like have

935
01:03:14.360 --> 01:03:16.639
to hear that all the time in your head.

936
01:03:18.119 --> 01:03:18.760
That's like the.

937
01:03:18.760 --> 01:03:22.119
Last thing, Yeah, I mean, it's it's not the last

938
01:03:22.159 --> 01:03:26.880
words that she spoke to her daughter, but that was

939
01:03:26.920 --> 01:03:30.400
the last time she saw her face. Well, do you

940
01:03:30.440 --> 01:03:32.400
want to do Taro for this one or save it

941
01:03:32.519 --> 01:03:33.480
for part two? Like?

942
01:03:33.559 --> 01:03:35.559
How much longer is Part's?

943
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That's so crazy because I was thinking with this one

944
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and we don't typically do this, but I was like,

945
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I honestly kind of think we should wait to do

946
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Taro in part two. Okay, that's so weird. We read

947
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each other's minds all the time. I will say, if

948
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if you think that the wildest part of this story

949
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have already happened, they have not doll decapitation. Is there

950
01:04:06.440 --> 01:04:11.519
more doll decapitation? There? There are no further instances of

951
01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:18.360
dull decapitation, but there are some truly wild crimes that

952
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continue to be a part of our story. And without

953
01:04:24.639 --> 01:04:29.159
giving too much away, like literally up until the buzzer, like,

954
01:04:29.360 --> 01:04:36.199
we will be talking about this and additional crimes until

955
01:04:36.280 --> 01:04:43.320
the very very last sentence. Shit crime time, baby, honestly,

956
01:04:43.599 --> 01:04:47.679
you had me at Tiny Petite Woman and Taco time.

957
01:04:48.559 --> 01:04:55.159
Seriously Part two, everyone hold on to your doll heads seriously.

958
01:04:55.280 --> 01:04:55.519
Though.

959
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Yeah, I will say the second half ends on slightly

960
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happier note.

961
01:05:03.599 --> 01:05:07.960
Okay, yeah, because this one didn't end happy at all no,

962
01:05:08.119 --> 01:05:11.039
very sad, and now we don't even get a palette

963
01:05:11.039 --> 01:05:12.679
cleanser like I talked about.

964
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I know we did say something about that at the top,

965
01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:18.760
and I feel a little bad about that, but it

966
01:05:18.920 --> 01:05:22.440
just feels like the right thing for this one, because yeah,

967
01:05:22.639 --> 01:05:27.119
I maybe maybe this is just me, but I almost

968
01:05:27.199 --> 01:05:29.280
kind of don't want the Taro to be a dick

969
01:05:29.559 --> 01:05:31.519
and like give something away.

970
01:05:32.159 --> 01:05:36.519
Oh see, you think Taro's gonna be sneaky.

971
01:05:37.039 --> 01:05:39.320
I kind of do. I kind of do. Like I

972
01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:42.880
feel like there's Easter eggs and the Tarot readings like

973
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far too frequently for me to like let that happen. Yeah,

974
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that's it for now. We're coming back and have a

975
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creepy asday. See you next Tuesday Day today and we

976
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will be there. We will see part two Tuesday Part two.

977
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H Oh my god, that just reminded me. I don't

978
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know where it is, but I think I have it.

979
01:06:16.880 --> 01:06:20.199
I do have, like literally like a tiny doll pillow.

980
01:06:20.360 --> 01:06:23.719
It's like, I'm not kidding, it's like all that big.

981
01:06:24.239 --> 01:06:27.639
Does the doll not need it anymore because it's ben decapitated,

982
01:06:28.079 --> 01:06:29.320
so it doesn't need a pillow?

983
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Okay, Well,