The Ghost in the Mist: Haunted Multnomah Falls

0:03 People say you can still feel the chief's daughter watching over the land. Some hikers report even seeing the shape of a woman in the mist from the falls or just beneath the surface of the water, which that would be like pretty scary. If you saw like a woman beneath the water, you'd be like, you're like, no one is out there. Have you not heard about the bus sized rocks? Right. Yeah. I would be like, someone has to save her. Hi, Caitlin. Hi, Cassie. Hi, creepy people.

0:44 Hello. This is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we chat about true crime, the paranormal, and all things spooky in the Pacific Northwest. That we do. And I can hear Taylin all the way in Colorado saying PNW if you're nasty. She's here in spirit. Joining us in spirit. Yeah. We had the same thought. Thankfully, I'm back today, hopefully for the entirety of the episode, since it is mine. Yeah, that would be super cool. Okay. Mercury retrograde. Be good to us today.

1:24 I know. For real. And we also do a tarot read at the end of every episode for a little deeper insight into our topic. And I have my moon oracle with me today. I thought we could use that because there might be a moon element to the story. I like it. Well, are you ready to get into my story today? Yeah. Yeah. I think you're going to like it. It's not too spooky. It's not too scary. So it'll be fine. You can keep your feet on the floor. Okay. I have one foot up because it feels good right now. Okay. Well, what do you do? Whatever feels good to you. Actually, feet on the ground might be like more comforting in this episode.

2:09 Oh, great. The Columbia River is 1,243 miles originating in Alaska. columbia lake in british columbia canada which like i guess i never really thought about like where the columbia river comes from but the name makes sense now where does that go where does she even go well i know where she goes okay but i just i guess i didn't know where she came from she comes from british columbia okay columbia lake You know, Columbia River. It's all connecting. So she runs down through Washington and then west, dividing Oregon and Washington, and then out to the Pacific Ocean near Astoria.

2:53 Oh. See, I know where she goes. Okay. Okay. When one of the largest volcanic events in Earth's history erupted in the area between Oregon and Washington, a casual 6 to 17 million years ago. That's kind of a pretty wide range. I think they're saying, like, it's happening between, like, in that range. They don't exactly know because it was so long ago. So it's like... Okay. These. They didn't all, like, erupt at once, you know? It's like it happened over millions of years. Yeah. I'm still standing by my original statement that that's a pretty broad range. It is.

3:37 Yeah. I just need us to be... more knowledgeable and precise about these things because I feel like all of the seismic and volcanic activity, it plays into everybody's fears of the big one. I know. Well, I was thinking like all this, there's more crazy stuff, but like all this world changing, like it changes the landscape. It's crazy. Like how is this not still happening to this magnitude? We don't, We don't talk about Bruno, okay? But, you know, if it's happening in between an 11 million year span, like, you know, maybe it is still happening.

4:23 And yeah, anyway. I mean, things are happening. I just would prefer that they happen in a way that is unbeknownst to me. Yeah, certainly not to this magnitude. Yes. The magnitude. I mean, how do we. Know what happened that long ago? Like, we don't even know what dinosaurs really looked like. Okay. T-Rexes are dragons. I mean, this is honestly starting to feel a little bit more of like a two foot situation. Like maybe I do need both of them in the chair. This is the scariest part of the episode, to be honest.

5:08 OK, good, because I feel like then I'm reacting appropriately. And we're only one sentence in. Not even the full sentence. I didn't even finish my sentence. I guess I could let you finish. Okay, so tons of eruptions millions and bazillions of years ago. Basalt lava flows shaped a canyon and created black volcanic rock layers 2,000 feet thick. She thick. That's a lot of fucking like how many volcanic eruptions did that take? That's crazy. And basalt lava has low viscosity, so it moves rapidly, covering great distances before cooling.

5:50 Oh. So that's how it was able to like mow through everything, the landscape. Awesome. I love it when lava is described as fast moving. Right. That is precisely what I want to hear. And we've talked about before, like my fear of volcanoes, my irrational fear of volcanoes. So I'm like, I wrote down like, this is my nightmare fuel. Like I've, it's literal nightmare fuel. Like I've had nightmares of lava. I'm just glad that for once, one of your episodes is triggering us equally.

6:31 I don't know why I do this to myself. I've done it before and I'll probably do it again. Oh, well. But our good friend Wikipedia says that the viscosity of the basalt lava is similar to ketchup. Okay, like Heinz or like Portland ketchup? I would assume Heinz. Yeah, that's like what I'm picturing more of that. So if you just. Picture like a Heinz factory explodes, and that's the kind of lava we're dealing with. I mean, once you have Portland ketchup, I feel like you do kind of hope that Heinz factories do explode.

7:13 But I was going to. Say, I thought you were going to say you hope it's the viscosity of the Portland ketchup because it's a lot thicker and slower than the Heinz. Yes. And that is what I would say. But I realize that beggars cannot be choosers. And yes. The universe doesn't really give a shit about my ketchup or my basalt preferences, unfortunately. Let's get the creepy people in the comments. Let's see. What ketchup do you prefer your lava to be like? Or what ketchup do you prefer your ketchup to be like?

7:57 Is lava spicy? Oh, taking us back. Yeah, I know. For those of you that don't remember, it's ketchup spicy debate. It is. And end of debate. So moving on. So after all that drama, the eruptions, the ketchup lava at the end of the last ice age, which was a little more recent, about 15 to 18,000 years ago. So we're getting somewhere here. Earth's largest known floods generated water flows 10 times the total flow of all of Earth's rivers. That does not sound super chill either. That's like a lot of water. It's a lot of water.

8:41 Okay. Yeah. So basically every natural disaster that you can be irrationally fearful of. And actually, I would argue very unlikely. At the same time, rationally fearful of. Yeah. But it's a good thing. I mean, we weren't here yet, so. Yeah. Tsunamis freak me out. There are no tsunamis in this story, just floods. Oh, okay. So these floods were known as the Missoula floods. Yeah. An ice dam created Glacial Lake Missoula in Montana. And I definitely almost said ice cream.

9:26 Ice cream. Yeah. She's hungry. Turned into ice cream. I am hungry. Listen, if it also brought us a pint of Ben and Jerry's, we wouldn't be mad at it. I prefer Tillamook. Oh, that's true. It depends. It depends what flavor. I'm very particular. Chocolate peanut butter. Oh, well, I don't want either of those. Yeah, you don't like chocolate. But like the chocolate peanut butter Tillamook ice cream. cream is like that's the chocolate peanut butter ice cream. And anyone else who tries to make a chocolate peanut butter ice cream is wrong.

10:07 Yeah, that makes sense. If it's Tillamook, I my favorite of theirs is the Mary and Barry pie ice cream. It's so good. But if we're talking Ben and Jerry's, and I feel like this kind of relates back to volcanoes. Okay. Because I like their, it's like a blondie brownie, and then it has a salted caramel core. Okay. Okay. That sounds like you. Not unlike lava, but like a much friendlier, slightly fructose-y version.

10:51 It's more palatable. Is it hard? Is the core hard or is it like. No. It's like lava? It's like gooey. It's so good. What is the ketchup viscosity comparison? I really can't compare ketchup. Yeah, please don't. Please don't. Okay, so Ice Dam, Missoula, Montana. Okay. So the dam burst and caused massive flooding in Washington and Oregon. And it had a. Big part in creating the Columbia River Gorge. I mean, she's cool. All of the land ruining events, natural disasters that are happening are really just creating this like beautiful gorge that we all get to enjoy now. The Columbia River Gorge spans 85 miles from where the Columbia and Deschutes Rivers meet which is about 16 miles east of the Dalles, and it runs all the way up to the western edge of Portland. Indigenous peoples used the gorge for hunting and fishing as well as the travel corridor.

12:02 Makes sense. Yes, very convenient. When it was later found by explorers like Lewis and Clark, traders and settlers, we quickly started to take advantage of the abundant area, especially the timber. Well, sure. And of course, we took advantage of the people who were already living there as well. Well, of course. In 1986, the 292,000 acre Columbia River Gorge became a National Scenic Area. To protect its natural beauty, cultural significance, and recreational resources.

12:45 Love that. It is the largest and most populated scenic area in the U.S. Ooh, look at this. Like, it's pretty big though, so like, yeah. Covers a lot of area. The gorge also has the world's largest concentration of waterfalls. And I saw it referred to as Waterfall Alley, which I thought was really cute. I'd never heard that before. I feel like I've heard that before. Where have I heard that? Because I don't think it's something like I don't think we all walk around saying it. Yeah, right. It's probably just like in an article or something, you know, which is like where I happened upon it.

13:26 Somebody coined that and the rest is history. Yeah, I like it. I like it. There's about 80 named waterfalls in the gorge. Goddamn. Yeah. So Waterfall Alley is correct. Yeah. I mean, that's quite a few. Including the 620-foot Multnomah Falls, the tallest in Oregon, and the second tallest year-round waterfall. In the U.S., Wow, I did not know that. I didn't know that there weren't year-round waterfalls. Yeah, I mean, no, I mean, if you think about it, like seasonally, like how, like, it makes sense because of how much precipitation we get. And, you know, certainly I'm not an expert or anything. The Missoula floods could come along, you know. No, they can't. No, no, they can't. No, please don't.

14:21 To be fair, I don't think there's an ice dam there that can break anymore because global warming. So I think we're OK. I mean, listen, I hate at the risk of sounding like I'm challenging anyone. What else could go wrong? You know, come on. It's actually a two-tier waterfall, which I know you know, and most of the people listening who live in Oregon probably know. But if you haven't seen it and you're not from around here, I'm going to describe it to you. So it's a two-tier waterfall. The top falls 542 feet into a pool, and then the other 69 feet down to the bottom. Ooh, the sickest of numbers. If you're doing brain math, like, good on you. Because there is another nine feet between the two levels. So it does equal out to the 620.

15:20 Okay. I was going to say, I definitely, I'm not over here young Sheldoning or Sheldoning on any level, really. But I was like, something about that seems like not quite the full... amount. Yeah yeah i did the math too and i was like wait a minute that is not 620 feet and then i had to like google and apparently there's another nine feet between the levels okay okay that second level is also where the iconic benson bridge was built in 1914 by simon benson he might sound a little familiar To people who have listened to our episodes, to people who just live in Portland.

16:05 Oh, wait, doesn't he have like a hotel or something? Yeah. So the Benson Hotel, if you've heard of the Benson Bubblers, the water fountains that are all around town in Portland. That's the same guy. And he also built the bridge that's at Multnomah Falls. What a dude. What a bro. So people jokingly refer to this footbridge as the place that 95% of visitors turn around. Oh, my God. But it's so true. It is so true. Why is that? It's fair because if you're there just to see the waterfall.

16:48 And not to hike. Oh, okay. The hike to the bridge is the round trip is less than a half a mile and you can get to like a really good view. But if you want to do like the full hike to the very top of the falls, it's 2.4 mile round trip. So it's a little bit longer. Yeah. I mean, it's been a long time, but I recall it being doable. It's doable. It's very steep, though. And I did do it when I was like pretty. I've done it when I was like in shape and pretty out of shape. And I did do it when I was pretty out of shape, but like it was hard.

17:29 Yeah. But it's like it's a workout, you know, but if you're there just like. Sightseeing and you don't want to get sweaty, you don't want to hike up a steep ass hill. And then going back down, I feel like it's almost harder. Right. But the bridge is beautiful. It's like one of the most photographed sightseeing bridges. In the state. I mean, probably all of the Pacific Northwest, really. I know it's. It's very popular because it is so close to the city center, too. Right. And like right off the highway. Like you can see the falls from the highway. Yeah. You've been to the top. Do you remember? Like, so I remember it being like intense at the top.

18:10 You know, because heights can be kind of hit or miss for me, I feel as though there's probably a part of me that kind of like blacked out, like anything that was unpleasant. That's true. I mean, I don't like heights either, but they do have like kind of a viewpoint where you're like kind of over... where the fall goes off the edge. I'm sure I have pictures too. We'll probably use my pictures or whatever we have for the post about the episode. Yeah. But yeah, I just remember it being like very loud, very fast moving. And if you're, man, if you're caught in that flow, you could just go right over the edge of that thing.

18:54 No, thank you. It reminds me of those people that like, didn't people like go in like barrels down waterfalls? Yeah, they sure did. That was for sure a thing. I can't remember what waterfall, like a famous waterfall. Niagara Falls. Thank you. Very specifically. Yes. That's what I was thinking of. Like, why would. You do that? I think the old timiness, the hubris of it all. I'm pulling out my hair right now. Yeah, right? Why? Why? The mid-level pool is now fenced off, but it used to be open to the public. So this is not the very top, but it's the one by the Benson Bridge.

19:43 I want to go to there. You know, I want to go. No, you might. I don't. You might not. You might not. Great. In 1995, a boulder the size of a bus fucking fell down off the cliff. Into the pool. Oh. Injuring 20 people. It didn't say it killed anybody, but it injured 20 people, including members of a wedding party that were there. Oh, my God. I know. And I'm like, I wonder if they're still together. Like, I don't know what kind of omen that is, but it's not a good one. I know. For real. Like, I think back about the things that we found out while our wedding was happening and then in, like, the days, weeks, and now years after our wedding. Like, kind of fun, spicy drama. That.

20:39 Doesn't really fit the bill. No. It's a little bit much. Yeah. It's kind of a lot. I'm like shocked nobody died. That's crazy. Honestly, how is that possible? I don't know. Like, I wonder it's, I don't know what it's like to have a bus-sized rock falling from a cliff in front of you, but I wonder if people heard it, if there were signs that there were other things falling. Right. All of the birds flying swiftly away. Or did it just happen so fast? I don't know. That calm before the storm where everything gets quiet, you know? What the fuck happens that just suddenly...

21:25 A rock the size of a bus. Oh, my God. I'm like... I would assume erosion. I mean... There's water. It's already carved, you know, a canyon. Through, so. I mean, but, like, part of me would almost be more comfortable... If they were like, oh, yeah, remember that was the great earthquake of, you know. Right. The fact that it could just be erosion, you know. Yeah. But despite the fact that there was this huge boulder scare, it remains the most popular tourist destination in the gorge with over two million visitors per year.

22:13 That's pretty crazy. Yeah. Which is like, if you've ever. Been there on a nice summer day, like... Oh, my God. It feels like there's two million people there in one day. It does. It actually feels like there's two million people there every single day when you go. Yeah, you have to just get lucky and plan to go on a day and just hope that the weather is unexpectedly pleasant, you know? Like, go on... like a fall or even a winter day whenever you're, you know, I don't know. Do they ever close? I don't think so. I don't know if. There's seasonality to it.

22:53 I don't think there is. A lot of places do have like seasonality just because it's like, well, if we just let people drive out here all year round, there's going to be some yokel. Yeah. Somebody who's overconfident. Yeah. I don't know. They might close it if there's like a really bad snowstorm or something. But yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Definitely go early, though, if you're going to go. Oh, yeah. That's when I've had the best luck. For sure. And you might not want to go during the winter when you hear the end of my story. Okay, great. So I guess whenever I was there last was probably the last time. Yeah. It's starting to sound like....

23:43 So the indigenous peoples believed that the falls were a source of spiritual power and a place of healing. They would do rituals and provide offerings to ask for guidance, protection, and health. And they also have a legend of how the falls came to be. Okay. This reminds me of. Was it Mount St. Helens? There was like a legend about how it came, like the gods were fighting and things like that. Oh, no, no, no. Was it Crater Lake? Oh, I think it was Crater Lake. Yeah. Yeah. So I was like, no, it was something with a crater. Which would make sense. The god got mad and he punched it around. And he said, me.

24:26 Yeah. It's like a little kid taking his like toy cars and just smash, smash. Yeah. Yeah. This story is kind of like that, but it's better. You'll see. A lethal illness fell upon the Monoma village, a Chinookan tribe native to the Columbia River Gorge. It was an epidemic, and the chief was desperate to help his people. A medicine man told him of a prophecy. The sickness would end if a pure and innocent young woman willingly gave her life. course it has to be a. Woman yeah sounds super fucking chill awesome awesome yeah that couldn't just be the patriarchy talking could it.

25:16 Well okay but the chief refused to let anyone be a sacrifice yeah so they never shared this information with the rest of the village because he was like i don't like this which like good man you know. Holy shit yeah that's actually and i understand that like culturally and sociologically, like ritual sacrifice was a thing. And like, I, I hate to sound like I'm judging like ancient or, you know, cultures outside of my sphere of understanding. But, you know, unfortunately I am going to be examining it with my own bias and in like a modern time. Right.

25:59 You know, geographically where I live and the cultural norms and, I'm not down with it, so. Yeah, me neither. Hot take, ritual sacrifice. Not super chill, you guys. Well, it sounds like they weren't super down with it either. Yeah, I love that for us. But they didn't know that the chief's daughter had been eavesdropping. Fuck me. Of course she was. Fuck me. Great. It reminds me of, like, I'm getting visions of, like, all the Disney girl, like, heroines. It's like Pocahontas meets Mulan.

26:41 Yeah, but it reminds me of just all those badass little girlies who don't do what they're told and they're, like, listening to people's conversations and, like, figuring out. Their own shit. Right. She no longer wanted her people to suffer. Right. And her husband, or her soon-to-be husband, the stories vary. Yeah. He had also fallen ill. Oh, no! Yeah, she was feeling some things about it. Yeah. At night, she climbed to the highest cliff And asked the spirits to show her a sign if she could save her people. And that's when the big full moon rose out from the trees and she knew what she had to do. No! In the morning, the whole village was once again healthy. But as they celebrated, they soon realized the chief's daughter was nowhere to be seen. They buried her at the bottom of the cliff where she was found.

27:41 No! No, everyone was better the next day. It was fine. I know. And like she was magically alive and like end of story. Like she got better too. I'm just hearing colors of the wind on repeat right now. She jumps off a waterfall. It wasn't a waterfall yet though. I'm just saying these are formative memories. Thanks a lot, Walt. Walt! The chief asked the spirits for a sign that his daughter was safe on the other side. When he heard rushing of water and looked up to see a stream begin to flow over the cliff, he knew she was.

28:22 So that is how the Multnomah Falls came to be. This beautiful sacrifice by the chief's daughter to save her people. I'm just saying. If it was up to a dude, they would all be dead. But yeah, so I'm like, this is a better story than like a god getting angry that like this woman doesn't want him and punching a hole in the ground. This is better, even though it's sad because. She's like, I heard about that whole crater lake thing. And that sounds nasty. Watch this.

29:02 Hold my beer. I'm going to make a waterfall. People say you can still feel the chief's daughter watching over the land. Some hikers report even seeing the shape of a woman in the mist from the falls or just beneath the surface of the water, which that would be like pretty scary. If you saw like a woman beneath the water, you'd be like, you're like, no one is out there. Have you not heard about the bus sized rocks? Right. Yeah. I would be like, someone has to save her. And I'm not sure if she appears. on the second level or the very bottom.

29:44 Level of the falls. Oh, interesting. Yeah. But people mostly see her during the winter. Oh. Which I thought it was interesting you brought up going during the winter. Well.... Listen, as we have discussed, clearly these things are attracted to me and maybe sometimes they are drawing me. I think so. Yeah, seems like it. Pulling you into the water. No, thank you. It's cold. Sounds quite chilly. I had a thought, though, about people seeing her more during the wintertime. And I was wondering if it's because maybe she doesn't show herself when there's so many people around.

30:27 We talked about in the summer months and spring, it's like packed there when there's good weather. Or do people just not notice her as much when there's like all this chaos going on? I think either one could be an interesting theory. Yeah. I do have a photo from Facebook that somebody posted. So it's a photo someone took of a rainbow. And the waterfall is in the background. And it's from the Finest Natives Facebook group. Okay. Do you see it? Do you see something in the photo?

31:08 I don't want to lead you. It's not like the last photo I showed you where it was like a very clear person. I was going to say this is. Nothing's jumping out right away, so I pulled it onto my bigger monitor for my elder millennial eyes. I'm not sure if bigger is better in this instance, but it is in the waterfall. Oh, it's in the waterfall? Great. Okay. Oh, wait. Do you see it? Is it really big? Yeah. I'm like, how does she not see this? Well, because I was looking for like a human-sized person. And you have to remember my scale. I'm looking for something that's going to be like basically a dot. Oh, OK.

31:58 Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's big. Yeah, she's big. Wow. So it does look like the shape of like a woman in the waterfall. And it's it kind of appears like she's wearing a dress. I feel like I can see her hair. It kind of looks like her back. And then she's kind of like doing like a side turn to me is what. It looks like. Oh my God. So, you know, it's probably just the water, the way it's falling, the right moment in time that you snap the picture. But it's just interesting to see the shape of a woman when there is like a legend of a woman in this. I'm just saying, or is it the fact that for however many years you have had, up to, if not more than, two million people coming and taking pictures of you.

32:52 And finally, you have perfected the pose that like really, you know? Yeah. It's what I would do if I had the forethought and the opportunity to, as a water hologram type entity, it is the most slimming angle that I can imagine. Right. She looks way fish. She looks beautiful. She looks reverent. She looks a little spooky. She looks like a true hero. Yeah. I mean, it's really capturing her in the best light and always imaginable.

33:33 See, she's not so scary. You can go visit her. No. She just shows up in the water. Oh, my word. No, I love that. This is like one of those photos where they're like, do you see an elephant or you know what I mean? Yeah, I love those. I know. And I was looking for other things in it, too, but I couldn't see anything more than that. Yeah, no, I think it's just the lady. She's like, I am this waterfall. Thank you very much. I mean, she truly is. Yeah. Just the imagery of her diving to her death off a cliff and then the water just rushing over after her.

34:16 That's pretty wild. It's cool. It's very cool. I don't have many other ghost stories other than that. I did find. One article said the staff report things moving on their own in the lodge. That's like kind of the gift shop now. And that was built in 1925. And it's one of the oldest historical sites in Oregon. But I don't have like a ton of other spooky stories. So if anyone has been there and experienced anything, or if you work in the gift shop or something and you have stories, I would love to hear them.

34:56 Any of them? All of them. Immediately, if not sooner. What's our email? pnwhauntsandhomicides at gmail.com It is. Oh, I do have one more fun thing I found, too. Oh! While I was doing my research. I like fun things. I found this site called Wild Fort Oregon, and they make soaps and things. Oh! Lip balms and lotions and whatnot. And they have a Multnomah Falls. body. So I just sent you a picture of it. Peppermint cooling, energizing refresh. I like it. So it's tea tree and peppermint. I love that. I love that it has a moon on it. That's kind of cool. Like, do they know? They must know.

35:42 Oh, they do know the legend because it was on their website. I'm an idiot. Like, they must know the legend about the moon. They simply must. Yeah, no, they do. They do. They, for sure, do. Yeah, they had they had kind of like a summary of the story on their website. too which was cute i love it oh should we tell them about what happened to me earlier what well when i was writing the episode doing my research today earlier this morning i found the story and it was like detailed it was like a really good account of this uh like native legend i wrote the whole episode you know about the everything before the story which is at the very end And I went to go to the website and it wasn't working anymore.

36:38 So weird. And I was like, um. It is fully Mercury retrograde. It's retrograding so hard right now. Like, I don't understand how a website could be there one morning and then like a few hours later, it's all of a sudden site can't be reached. I do. And yet again, I say Mercury is retrograding so hard. Please just take my word for it. The amount of technical difficulties that I have been a party to in this particular cycle are, I mean, it is truly mind blowing. It's yeah, it's a lot.

37:22 So hopefully I got everything from the story I wanted to tell you because I had to look at like more watered down versions of the story. Like kind of a summary, the cliff notes. Yeah. And from memory, from what I read this morning, that's what I went off of. So I'll put the link in my sources and hopefully maybe one day it'll work if someone wants to go and read the full story. It makes me wonder if like that website didn't get any traffic. And like, so someone forgot about it. And then all of a sudden this morning I show up and they're like, someone's looking at this website. We got to shut her down. Well, do you want to do some moon oracle? Okay. I have to say I'm so looking forward to the next full moon. I've recently gotten back into Pokemon Go and I have specific Pokemon that need to evolve under a full moon. Oh my gosh, that's funny. We just had one. Well, had I known that, I didn't know that's what my Pokemon needed.

38:37 Should I run my finger on them and you tell me when to stop? I like our keyboard trick. Okay, is there any spot that you're feeling? I'm feeling like in the area of like M. No fucking way. Why? What? Because I was like thinking. M in my head as you were saying it. And my hand is like above the M, like just hovering, waiting. Taylin and I did that last time. We were like both thinking like kind of in the same area of the keyboard. It was like, I want to say J and L. So we like kind of split the difference. And we pulled two cards. and well that's funny because like i'm looking at two cards right now and i feel like i picked the one but okay i'll keep my eye on the one that's under it just all right i pulled blossom and it's like a woman holding a little girl's hand. And she's kind of she's wearing like a blue dress, but it's got that like misty white stuff around her.

39:38 I was going to say it feels very ethereal. It feels sort of. Yeah, ethereal. It feels like it's a kind of a visual, like honestly, that photo, like if you put it up next to the rainbow one. That's true. It feels representative of a waterfall a little bit. It does. And she's like facing like kind of the same. That's what I was gonna say. I was like, maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I feel like the art kind of matches up. I got the chills. And like there's this other misty like white swirly spot above her.

40:18 Uh-huh. And it's just interesting because like she's in the mist of the waterfall. You got the chills like you're at a waterfall in the winter. Yes. And I went ahead and pulled that other card just because I felt like I needed to. Okay. And I got peace. That looks like a moon. It is a moon. It's a crow sitting on like a crescent moon. Wow. Okay, okay, okay. Let's get to the interpretation. So Blossom, the quote for Blossom is, be not afraid of growing slowly. Be afraid only of standing still. And that's a Chinese proverb.

41:00 Oh. And that's pretty interesting. Like, hmm, standing still, thinking about her just like at the top, Right. And if she just stood there and didn't do anything. Right. Like action versus inaction is kind of how I interpret that. And the moon was telling her, like, don't be afraid. This is what you have to do. This is your destiny. Yeah. Okay. The keywords are grow, progress, change. That's interesting, too, because it's kind of like the whole the whole beginning of just like how the gorge came to be, how the earth had to grow and change and progress to become what it is. This planet is our earth is our earth school. We cannot learn if we do not challenge ourselves. Yes, it may be uncomfortable, difficult, exhausting or even a bit scary.

41:53 The outcome will be far better than the option of remaining still and stagnant. Ooh, stagnant too, like just using that word. Yeah. Like reminds me of water. Yeah, kind of the opposite of a waterfall. You may not succeed at first and you may make a few mistakes, but that is called being human. Growth will be your reward. Move forward towards your goals. You may need to take a few detours along your journey. A flower takes time to blossom from a seedling until it is in full bloom. Be patient. It will be worth the wait. Sprinkle yourself with water and get plenty of sunshine. Shut up. Your life will bloom into its full expression of beauty.

42:38 Intention. Soak in the nutrients of the earth and her gifts. Take risks. Explore without fear. You will bloom. How much trouble would I get in if I went into the big bus rock pool? Do you think? Well, it's fenced off, so probably a little bit of trouble. And also, you're so small. It wouldn't take a bus-sized rock to crush you. That's true. It would really only take, like, a bowling ball-sized rock. And that would just be like, podcaster dies at beautiful scenic. After her co-host tells her how cool and beautiful it is.

43:20 But also dangerous. Okay. Peace. Peace begins with a smile, Mother Teresa. Okay, well. This is old. Yeah. For reasons that gets a little tiny bit of side eye. Okay, who knew, though? Who knew? I mean, listen. Who could predict? Even Gandhi was apparently, like, not the coolest. Don't meet your heroes, you know? Okay, the keywords are serenity, love, and harmony. Open your heart by filling it with gentle love and sentiments of healing for all the humans and animals. Okay.

44:02 Shut up. Like literally she healed her entire village. Yeah. I mean, no big deal. Heal your own heart and try to come to your own peace. Which that's like super fitting too because that's what she had to do. Yeah. You know, make a decision. Definitely. There's also something about... the word serenity that always kind of makes me think of water. You're right. And the fact that it said soak is really solidifying for me something that I've been wanting to do. And it also involves soak. Yes. Yeah. And not the Mormon kind. Yeah. You...

44:50 Here's the thing. I was thinking it. I was thinking it. I was like. Okay, good. Not that Utah kind. Jesus Christ. Oh, boy. Okay. Release your feelings of anger, sadness, jealousy, and negativity. Let go of anything that does not make you strong. Begin to forgive others and pray that they can discover their own peace to live by. That's like... Probably what she was thinking, too, as she was doing it, like she has to let go of all this stuff. Yeah. She's going to, you know, hurt her father and her the people she loves by taking her own life. But she has to like let let that go and let them heal on their own.

45:35 Yeah. Protect your inner serenity from others by not allowing their negativity to be put on you. Don't let your dad tell you you can't unalive yourself to save your people. I mean, but also like, you know, maybe listen to your dad. Well, lead by example, be calm and present. When you create tranquility, harmony, and balance in your life, your reward will be substantial. Self-love and spreading harmonious peace to others is a gift like no other. Intention, fill yourself with wonderment and love. Protect your well-being against negativity and read the message for world peace i love that i think they both totally like fit with the story absolutely and then we got shit about water that's just like i mean kind of crazy come on i mean the moon is like watery so you know in like astrology Yeah.

46:35 You know, like the sun is fiery, the moon's water, you know, it controls the tides. It's like a whole thing. It controls the blood in your uterus. All right. Well, I hope you liked my Multnomah Falls story for you. I did. I know it had a lot of geographical history in it, but. I love it. That's your payback for giving me all the history in last episode and none of the juice. Hey, that was not my fault, okay? No, no, it was good. History, though. I was into it and I was bummed. But I mean, now I've heard the rest of the episode because I've edited it and things, but yeah.

47:19 She got spicy there, right? Yeah, dude. Like, what? I know. Like, what? Can we just add Cassie's comment on the last episode? Um, what? What? What the wobble and what? What the wobble and what? That's basically what I was thinking. No, I mean, that feels fair. I know. We were so sad. We kept like pausing as we were finishing it. We're like, should we? It was just so weird because I was like, oh, this is going to be so great. I want all three of us to be there. And we were. For a spell. Yeah. Hey, we tried. What are you going to do? You know what I did?

48:02 I thought it was really funny because I joked about we were talking about like food and shit. And I was like, oh, I got a breakfast. I got to go. I got a breakfast burrito in the fridge. And then like as soon as the Wi-Fi went down, everything is waiting. And I was like, I'm going to eat my fucking breakfast burrito. Like, oh, you meant literally. No. Yeah. Literally, I had a breakfast burrito calling my name. And I think maybe that's Why? It kicked me off because like my breakfast burrito wanted to be eaten and it could not wait any longer. I mean, I think either Mercury retrograde or breakfast burrito, whatever it was, it was a poll from the universe that said, listen, there's somewhere else that you need to be right now.

48:49 That is in bed eating a breakfast burrito. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I thought that was so funny, though, because I totally forgot that I had said that until I was editing it back. And I was like, oh, my God, we get off. All right. Should we let the creepy people go to eat their breakfast burritos? Yeah. Eat your goddamn breakfast burritos. OK, people that don't eat leftovers. Shocking. It's offensive. You should be put in prison. Yeah. And I don't feel like that's a hot take. No. Have a creepy-ass day. We'll see you next Thursday. Unless that ketchup lava... Catches you. It gon' get ya. It's gon' get ya. Unless that ketchup lava catches up to ya.

49:39 Catch us up. I know everybody knows that joke, right? Come on. Catch up. Catch up? Catch up. But no, run away. Run away from Basala. Run, run, run, run so far away. I'm leaving that in. All right.