There's Something About Mary - Marriage, Murder, & Mystery

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Acrimonius, as of this point in the recording, now my new favorite word.

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[LAUGH]

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>> I'm gonna change them regularly, but right now it's acrimonius.

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>> You know what, that's really in keeping with the vibe of Mary though.

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Because hers is sort of a, choose your own adventure type of story when you start looking nice at her history.

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>> Hi Caitlyn.

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>> Hi Creepy people.

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>> Hello.

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>> If you're new to our creepy corner of the world, this is PNW Haunts and Homicides

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where we chat about true crime, paranormal, and

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all things creepy in the Pacific Northwest.

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And we do a tarot reading at the end of every episode for deeper insight into the topic that we're talking about.

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So make sure to stick around if you're into that and if you don't know what tarot is,

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maybe stick around and check it out, it's pretty cool.

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And if you're wondering what the heck is going on, why this sounds so weird.

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I am missing my co-host Caitlyn.

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For the moment anyway, she actually has a guest co-host instead of me on for this episode.

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A big thank you to Lindsay from Ye Olde Crime for joining Caitlin on this episode.

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It's really good.

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I just edited it and I loved it.

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It was amazing and I'll be back for the outro y'all.

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Enjoy this one.

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So I am Lindsay and I am the host of Ye Olde Crime Podcast.

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It's a show I do with my younger sister Madison where we discuss funny, strange, and obscure crimes.

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Pre-1900, when I say yes to your people are like, what does that mean?

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It sounds old and weird and it is old and weird.

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Correct.

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But in our context, it means pre-1900.

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So we cover a lot of cases that I guarantee you you've never heard of before.

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You will not hear us cover anything like Jack the Ripper or Lizzie Borden because those are

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very well known cases from pre-1900.

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But you will hear us talk about old-timey Western cannibals and a bunch of ladies that like to use

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arsenic to kill their husbands and their children from money and things of that nature.

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And we also try to cover cases about marginalized people to bring those to light as well and

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with a dash of humor.

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I love it.

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It's a great description of your guys' show.

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I can vouch for you guys personally because that's one of the things that I love about your

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shows that it's not very often that you guys cover something that I'm like, oh, I've heard

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this for even the second time, let alone the 11th or 12th would be the case with Jack the

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Ripper or Lizzie Borden.

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Those are the world's best known true crime cases, I think at this point.

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Yeah.

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And it's both a blessing anacres for our show just because there are sometimes when the

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cases are so old and they're so undocumented that it is hard to write episodes about them,

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but it is also very fun when you find a topic that you can kind of dig enough to find enough

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information on it and then discover something really, really cool.

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So I have been pleasantly surprised by some of our topics.

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I'll see something and be like, oh, I kind of want to learn more about that.

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And then as I'm researching it, I'm like, wow, this is really freaking cool and I'm really

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glad that we're discussing this.

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So yeah.

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I love it.

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Yeah, I can just see the wheels turning with the topics as you're kind of introducing them

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sometimes.

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And just like, you know, and you'll probably laugh at this, but in that way, I feel like

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sometimes as you start your episode, not that you guys have even like similar mannerisms

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or anything, but it's just this feeling that I get where I'm like, this reminds me of,

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you know, the handful of times where I've listened to Bailey Sarian and she starts explaining

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like how she falls down the rabbit hole on a topic.

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And that's, I imagine kind of how your research, in my head, that is how your research process

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works, except you have green hair.

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This is true.

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This is true.

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Yes.

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Half of my hair is green, not in some weird like, probably not in the way you're thinking,

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but I think it's true.

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Part of it is green.

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We'll have to try to sneak a screenshot from our little zoom session at some point.

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We'll make sure we pull out the ring lights and everything in honor of Miss Sarian, of

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course.

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Exactly.

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I got to look fab.

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Bob.

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Okay.

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So I know we talked about a few different cases.

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And before we jumped on to officially record like professionals, you said you didn't know

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what I had picked and hadn't looked into it.

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So I'm super excited to tell you about this one because I feel like you may have some thoughts,

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some opinions on, this is an old time you won.

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This one would be like right in your wheelhouse.

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Nice.

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I mean, as a listener, I'm like, it's right up my alley.

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So as part of your listener base, I'm like, this is up our alley.

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Yeah.

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Oh my God.

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Love it.

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Little Kate Bush for all you fans out there.

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Oh my God.

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I know, right?

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Everybody's like, oh, did you hear that new song like about that?

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Yeah.

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That's cute.

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It's like when Post Malone made that song with Ozzy Osborne and there were literal fetuses

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walking around on the streets that thought that Post Malone made Ozzy Osborne famous.

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Yeah.

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My favorite is back when Kanye did that collab with Draft Punk and some kids thought that they

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were Kanye's DJs.

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And I was like, wow, wow.

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You were so wrong.

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I am offended for Daft Punk.

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I am today, years old.

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And I had no idea that people thought that I've never heard that.

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That is just, yeah, wow.

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So I mean, every generation, every group of kids really does kind of think that like, oh,

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we discovered this or like, they're, wow, wow, wow, wow.

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Yeah.

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So much to have had there.

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But who has the time?

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You know, no one, no one.

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It was said that when Mary Leonard first came to the United States as a 16 year old Italian

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girl in the late 1860s, she could not speak a word of English.

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In addition to the great misfortune of being Shanghaied away from her home by a sea captain

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scoundrel, which is my favorite word as a scoundrel, as of this recording to be held as a

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captive, an ocean away in Portland, Oregon.

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She had been bound to him in an acrimonious marriage.

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Oh, scandal.

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I know.

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Acrimonious as of this point in the recording.

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Now my new favorite word.

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I'm going to change them regularly.

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But right now it's acrimonious.

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You know what?

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That's really in keeping with the vibe of Mary though, because hers is sort of a, choose

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your own adventure type of story when you start looking nice at her history.

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Nice.

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Yeah, you're like, hmm, does anyone know the truth about this gal?

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No.

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The short answer is no.

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Some retellings of her early life say she came to the United States from Switzerland closer

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to 1875.

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In this version of the story, she settled in the Dalles where she married Daniel G Leonard,

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because everyone had to use their middle initial, even though there were maybe a hundred people

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in the whole goddamn county.

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That's the only way you'll know that it's really that Leonard.

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Even if he was the only Leonard that existed in that county, he really needs you to like

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wonder what the G stands for.

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And I do wonder what it stands for.

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Mission accomplished.

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It's Gaston.

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Solved it.

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Daniel Gaston Leonard.

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I feel that nothing else it could be.

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We're done.

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I think my work is done here.

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Just throw off my headphones and start out.

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I'm good.

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I'm out.

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At the time of their entry into holy matrimony, she was closing in on Spinster Hood for the

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era, probably still for the modern era from being honest at nearly 30 years old though

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Oh God.

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I know.

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Practically a thornback at that point.

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Is that a cramp word?

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It is a thing.

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I should look up what the age is because a thornback is the old mystical term for unmarried

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women in their 20s.

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If it's after 26, it's a thornback.

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So if she was in her 30s, if it's after 36 is a doom witch.

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I'm almost a doom witch.

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I'm not going to make it.

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But yes, she's in between a thornback and a doom witch.

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Wow.

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God damn.

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The fucking patriarchy.

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There's literally different tiers of quote unquote Spinster Hood.

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Yes.

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Cool.

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I picture her looking like Bowser.

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Like if she's getting ready to like go down the aisle, she like has the shell with all

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the like spikes coming out of the back of her dress.

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That is potentially fire.

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That is fashion week.

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I mean, she looks great, but woof.

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Oh my God.

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That's so funny.

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The more you know.

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Yeah.

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I always picture it.

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It's like childhood.

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Every time.

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Eradam.

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Oh my gosh.

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Though she was still 30 years, her husband's junior, roughly give her take.

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Oh, geez.

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Okay.

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I'm picturing it.

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I got it.

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Yeah.

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So I guess based on all of this, that'll make me a geriatric bride.

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That's what I have in my notes.

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But now we've discovered there's a whole different word for it.

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I just assumed that, you know, we'd be following the same rules that apply to pregnancy, you

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know, like after 35, that's what we call it, but no one.

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Like you said, the more you know, you couldn't have known how appropriate that was going

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to be.

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You're entering your doom, which era?

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I'm not going to make it.

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But you have to be 36 or older, right?

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That's true.

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That's true.

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You're approaching your doom, which era?

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It's right on the horizon.

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Wait.

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Just wait.

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Wait.

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You need to push back the wedding.

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I, I'm Lindsey.

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I'm a fucking idiot, but I.

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She said excitedly.

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I'm going to be 35 this year next year when we get married in August on the first, that

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is like the same week as my birthday.

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I will have broken the curse.

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Be a doom witch.

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You will have broken the curse though.

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So you will break the doom witch curse by being married before you turn 36.

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Not, dude.

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My birthday is July 29.

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Oh, my God.

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You're going to be a doom witch bride.

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For like three days, I will be a doom witch.

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You got to like own it.

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I'm already planning that like the bachelor at party is going to be coven themed.

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It has to be now.

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It has to.

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I didn't know why other than I just like it.

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But now clearly now you know the reason and it's happening.

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It's happening.

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I'm obsessed with that.

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I'm having a t-shirt made.

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I want you to know, you know what's funny in my notes, it actually says, but I digress.

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How did you know?

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Because I'm about to be a doom witch.

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I'm clearly coming in to my powers.

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Yeah.

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Whatever they are.

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Oh, my God.

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Okay.

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As all good stories do, this one comes in a three.

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Then in a third version as the story goes, Mary Geisen or Gyson, it's unclear to me.

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I've seen it spelled multiple ways.

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According to this third version, she was born in 1845 in France and she immigrated to the

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US by 1870.

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She was living in Portland and working as a seamstress until she met and married.

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Still same guy.

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He's kind of the only constant in all of this.

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Daniel Leonard dropped the G here at this point in my notes.

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So he was too good for it now.

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Oh, yeah.

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Definitely.

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He was like people know who I am.

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Well, it's funny.

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You should say that because he was quote a prosperous owner of a hotel.

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So kind of so they did know who he was.

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Yeah.

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Oh, it's, oh, it's all Leonard hotel over there.

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All right.

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Exactly.

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That Daniel.

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Okay.

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That one.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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He can totally drop the G.

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We'll remember which one.

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We know who he is.

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This hotel was in East Wasco County at a point where the Oregon Trail crossed the John

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Day River.

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Just a little nugget for anyone old enough to be missing the Oregon Trail game.

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I miss it every day.

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Every day.

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Sarah never gets a snake bite.

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I never die a dysentery.

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I never get to ford a river.

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That's the dream.

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It's so funny because I'm like everybody has played the Oregon Trail game, right?

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Like there's a lot of stuff that like growing up in Oregon and in the Pacific Northwest

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in general.

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We assume the rest of the country like your hip to it.

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Like you get it.

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You know it.

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Not dude, but Oregon Trail transcends.

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Um hmm.

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Generations, geography, all of it.

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It seems that some details are somewhat readily verified upon closer examination of her

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story.

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And thankfully some of the sources I found did just that because I don't want to.

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I'm not an investigative journalist.

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Or a historian just in case there was anybody that wasn't aware of that fact.

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As always, you can refer to our paste bin at the bottom of the show notes to see the complete

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list if you are some sort of a hobbyist of checking people's references and such a source

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scoundrel, if you will.

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Source scoundrel.

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I'm bringing scoundrel back.

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Back to our girl, Mary.

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She was born Mary Geisen, Gissen, some variation thereof in Alseus, which I'm sure is how the

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French people say it.

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It sounds legit.

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She was born in the mid 1840s for context and I'm just shamelessly lifting this directly

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from British Council dot org.

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Very fancy.

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Alseus is a region in northeastern France that borders Switzerland and Germany.

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In fact, it is so close to Germany that you can travel by tram from the regional capital

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Strasbourg to Kiel, the nearest German city in just 15 minutes.

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Damn.

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All those close.

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It is really close.

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Although Alseus is part of France, its borders have not always been clear.

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Maybe that's the story with her girl, Mary.

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It sounds like.

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Right.

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It makes sense to me that maybe people just thought she was from France or thought she was

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from Switzerland because they're like, I don't know.

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She's from that one city that nobody really knows who belongs to.

320
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Yeah.

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You mentioned that she might have been German too.

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It's like she's right in that little pocket there.

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Try country area, if you will.

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Yeah.

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I'm not really sure where Italy comes from.

326
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That's like Italy.

327
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It was Italy, not Germany.

328
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Sorry.

329
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Well, you know, it's a lot of places that she's allegedly maybe from.

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Prior to her immigration to the United States, there was really next to no information

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available about her life.

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And it would remain so until her 1875 marriage to Daniel Leonard because, of course, as we

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know, a woman's life doesn't really begin until she's wed.

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Facts.

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I can't wait for mine to start.

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Then you lose your entire identity.

337
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Yeah.

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Just become Mrs. Husband.

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Yeah.

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And a Morpheus blob.

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All we have prior to that is the 1870 census where she was reported as a 23 year old Swedish

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immigrant at the time working as a domestic servant to a man and his family, including

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his three young children in the city of Portland.

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So Portland's kind of the other thing that still keeps popping up.

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We know she was hanging out there.

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So the truth is that she was a Swiss woman who came to America quite willingly as far as we

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know, though the details regarding her husband remained truthful from what can be gathered.

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Daniel, in contrast to her 30 years, was in his 50s, though I'm afraid that's

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probably as specific as it's safe to be about his age.

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Could be late 50s, could be early 60s.

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What's a few years between friends?

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Am I right?

353
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Am I wrong?

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He was a very successful entrepreneur, restaurant tour, hotelier and ferryman.

355
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Nice.

356
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So he kind of had his hand in a bunch of different pots.

357
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Yes.

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He was pretty fancy.

359
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Unfortunately, the marriage was tumultuous from the start.

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In fact, the Leonard Stavores was in process when as the story goes, Mary murdered her husband

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Daniel to inherit his estate.

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Oh, scandals.

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scandals.

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scandals.

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scandals.

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They were married for two years before he apparently filed for divorce, citing her laziness

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in fidelity.

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Oh, and refusing his marital rights.

369
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Oh, gross.

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Gross.

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I know.

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That's actually in my notes.

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I had to say it because I did write gross.

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It just makes me think of that big daddy quote where he's like, "What's his five year plan

375
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did not die?

376
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Does this old balls?"

377
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His old wrinkly balls.

378
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It was so wrinkly balls.

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Seriously.

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Well, I'm back then, like in your 50s or 60s, like, yeah, your five year plan, "Hello,

381
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was" to just not die.

382
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Yep.

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So, it was the fall of roughly 1877 when Daniel filed for divorce claiming all of the things.

384
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Interestingly, there's actually a lot of speculation about the character of this dude.

385
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I know you're shocked.

386
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I am shook if to my core.

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The least of which stems from the fact that from one census to another, he would change

388
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his answers about not only his birthplace, but also his date of birth.

389
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Oh, convenient.

390
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It's unclear whether he told Mary the truth about either because it's also unclear whether

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he mentioned his previous marriage and the lawsuit brought by his previous common law

392
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wife thereafter.

393
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Oh, snap.

394
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Yeah.

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Those seem like, I don't know, facts of your life before her that a discerning lady might

396
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be interested in making her acquaintance with.

397
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Yeah.

398
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He was like, "Oh, these two red flags pay no attention to these two red flags."

399
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I know.

400
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I was thinking to myself like that scene in the Wizard of Oz, like, "Pay no attention

401
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to the man behind the curtain."

402
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:50,680
Exactly.

403
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:51,680
Wow.

404
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:52,680
Are you sure?

405
00:23:52,680 --> 00:24:00,560
Sure, because he appears to be doing fireworks with glow sticks.

406
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,560
He's got all the things.

407
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:08,560
At any rate, when it came to their divorce, Mary countered that Daniel had treated her

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like a servant, requiring her to put in back breaking hours working in his hotel kitchen,

409
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which honestly, like, why would you even take wife unless you can treat her like a servant?

410
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A man, I'm kidding.

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Mary crossfiled, claiming mental and physical abuse.

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When her health had suffered, he had apparently refused her the resources she required, granting

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her neither the health care she needed, nor the money to obtain it, or any other essentials.

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She further asserted that he had treated her with physical cruelty.

415
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Of course, she would vehemently deny his claims of infidelity, you know, as one does.

416
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The judge presiding over their divorce proceedings ruled requiring Daniel to provide her with

417
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support while they were separated and sorting out these legal matters.

418
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Nice.

419
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:10,240
I know.

420
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:15,440
That's one of the few times you hear it, but like the woman being the victor.

421
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,520
So loud.

422
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,760
God.

423
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:27,040
Daniel refused to make court ordered spousal maintenance payments.

424
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So rude.

425
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:36,520
Now I wasn't there because this is well over a hundred years before I was born just from

426
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:37,840
reference.

427
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:45,320
So I can't be sure what happened a few nights later, but let it be said that in late December

428
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Mary did write a brother, I'm going to say nasty letter to Daniel saying she would have

429
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her revenge for his neglect, vowing to, and this is a quote, it's a short one, but get

430
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even with him.

431
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:03,480
Nice.

432
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:04,480
Yeah.

433
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:13,440
So this marriage is giving some majorly toxic vibes just a little, just a little, just a

434
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:14,440
tad.

435
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:21,720
Well, as I alluded to previously, something awfully violent did happen to Daniel.

436
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:30,240
Days later on January 4th of 1878, Daniel was found and not because he was lost with an

437
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:36,960
apparent gunshot wound to the head, though he would not succumb to his wound until 12 days

438
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,520
later on January 16th.

439
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:45,320
Oh, damn.

440
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:52,000
I mean, I don't know how much he made her suffer like how many days it equates to, but like,

441
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,000
I don't know.

442
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,960
What do you say we call it even?

443
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,240
I would say, yeah.

444
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:03,880
He had been shot with a small caliber pistol while he slept in his home.

445
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,000
A small caliber pistol, you say?

446
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:13,160
Well that sounds like the weapon of a "hormon" for a delicate science.

447
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:14,320
That's right.

448
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:18,480
And while there was no evidence that Mary had been the one to pull the trigger, it didn't

449
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,320
seem like much of a stretch.

450
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,320
Yeah.

451
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,240
Didn't exactly need Sherlock to figure that one out.

452
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,800
That's why he never put stuff in writing.

453
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:30,800
Yeah.

454
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,400
It's for the best.

455
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:40,240
So the locals of the small town all seemed to agree that Daniel was not a kind man.

456
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,760
So I think you can see where this is going.

457
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:48,720
By and large, they seemed to feel that he had simply reaped what he had been sewing up

458
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:54,840
to that point in both the marriage and possibly in life in general.

459
00:27:54,840 --> 00:28:01,680
So let's just say there was more than one person interested in him unaliving.

460
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:02,680
Yeah.

461
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,080
Ticking the proverbial bucket.

462
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,240
As it were.

463
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,440
Pting.

464
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,920
Oil.

465
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:20,040
While there were no witnesses, suffice to say Daniel's lawyer suspected Mary and her alleged

466
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:24,080
lover, Nathan Lindsay, in the killing.

467
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:25,640
Don't be smirch-lindsy.

468
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,960
No relation to this Lindsay.

469
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,200
I don't claim him.

470
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,520
You're like, that's not how names work.

471
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,280
You idiot.

472
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,120
That's his maiden name.

473
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,320
Or wait.

474
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:42,320
No.

475
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,120
That's not how maiden names work either, Lindsay.

476
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:48,720
No, that's not how maiden names work.

477
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,720
That's how man, man names work.

478
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,760
Is there alcohol in this coffee?

479
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,760
What is happening right now?

480
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:55,760
Oh my God.

481
00:28:55,760 --> 00:29:01,160
That makes me think of old Greg Bailey's law enforcement.

482
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:06,480
He didn't take long to act arresting Mary on January 5th.

483
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:12,960
Actually Mary and Nathaniel Lindsay, a grand jury indicted both Mary and her alleged

484
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,720
lover on June 26th that same year.

485
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,920
That's a long time.

486
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:26,120
Yeah, I took them about like two-bind Jails to even indict them.

487
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:27,120
Yeah.

488
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,880
And then it's not that fun.

489
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,720
I suppose they were like, it can wait.

490
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,560
Yeah, it's this guy's killer.

491
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:35,560
It's fine.

492
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:40,800
Yeah, they're like, I mean, like, it's not like he was cool or anything.

493
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,200
I mean, if he was cool, we would speed this up a bit.

494
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:45,200
But exactly.

495
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,120
He was kind of a dick.

496
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:49,120
You got to understand.

497
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,800
It's not like anyone's actually clamoring for justice.

498
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:53,800
No one's actually upset.

499
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,080
We just got to legally do this thing.

500
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:01,080
No, like legally.

501
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:08,480
Technically, I guess.

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Host Josh and Wayne of Femophom, as they're known to their friends, go well past the insane

511
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,120
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512
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:58,720
To share stories focused on Florida's history and what makes the state unique.

513
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:03,160
Aside from all the basalts, of course.

514
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:04,480
I'm learning a lot.

515
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,320
Should we say something funny like hit it.

516
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:08,720
Do it.

517
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:14,360
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518
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,800
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519
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:22,480
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520
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,160
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521
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:31,520
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522
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:36,440
That's Florida men plural on Florida man podcast.

523
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,800
You guys were back.

524
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,400
And don't worry, we did get more wine.

525
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,920
Well of course.

526
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,800
So I think that's the first thing I've ever heard of.

527
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,000
I've heard of the two different things.

528
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,840
I've heard of the two different things.

529
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,000
I've heard of the two different things.

530
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,000
I've heard of the two different things.

531
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,000
I've heard of the two different things.

532
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,000
I've heard of the two different things.

533
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,000
I've heard of the two different things.

534
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,000
I've heard of the two different things.

535
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,000
I've heard of the two different things.

536
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,000
I've heard of the two different things.

537
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,000
I've heard of the two different things.

538
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,000
I've heard of the two different things.

539
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,000
I've heard of the two different things.

540
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,000
I've heard of the two different things.

541
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,000
I've heard of the two different things.

542
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,000
I've heard of the two different things.

543
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,000
I've heard of the two different things.

544
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,000
I've heard of the two different things.

545
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:19,000
And you're tried together.

546
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:24,000
I agree with what you said.

547
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:30,000
#NotAlouier #WildSpeculation

548
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:45,000
#RailAmmetra Hour

549
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,000
#Ammetra Hour

550
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:54,500
And though Mary's sister lived in Wilsonville, Oregon, with her husband at the time, it's unlikely

551
00:32:54,500 --> 00:32:57,220
she attended the trial at any point.

552
00:32:57,220 --> 00:33:02,280
She had kind of grown apart, but the biggest thing is that her sister would actually end

553
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:08,500
up giving birth to her first child on January 20th of 1879.

554
00:33:08,500 --> 00:33:13,500
So we assume she couldn't travel in that delicate disposition.

555
00:33:13,500 --> 00:33:14,500
Facts.

556
00:33:14,500 --> 00:33:15,500
Yeah.

557
00:33:15,500 --> 00:33:21,300
Which is like, I mean, June to January.

558
00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:24,540
So she was only like three or four months pregnant.

559
00:33:24,540 --> 00:33:27,060
What is the big deal?

560
00:33:27,060 --> 00:33:30,600
This was also the time when they thought they were writing on the railroad would give you

561
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,700
like insanity.

562
00:33:32,700 --> 00:33:37,260
So I'm sure they probably were like, Oh, God, is she's pregnant and writing on a train?

563
00:33:37,260 --> 00:33:41,180
That thing's going to projectile out of her and it's going to just attack everybody in

564
00:33:41,180 --> 00:33:42,180
the car.

565
00:33:42,180 --> 00:33:44,220
It's going to be chaos.

566
00:33:44,220 --> 00:33:46,020
Keep that woman home.

567
00:33:46,020 --> 00:33:49,860
It's chaos down here, Tom.

568
00:33:49,860 --> 00:33:52,260
Absolute chaos.

569
00:33:52,260 --> 00:33:55,800
Over here at the B&O railroad.

570
00:33:55,800 --> 00:34:01,400
It's so crazy because like, I mean, even the far end of it, I mean, this is obviously

571
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:09,280
by modern standards, but Wilsonville is like 60 minutes from Portland if you hit traffic.

572
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,520
So old timey stuff, you know?

573
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:13,520
Yeah.

574
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:18,680
Leonard would spend 11 months in jail without bail, though the case against him would eventually

575
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,400
be dropped.

576
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:26,880
Meanwhile, women's rights activist Abigail Scott done a way use her newspaper, The New

577
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:31,800
Northwest to support Mary's defense.

578
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:38,520
She had a, you know, some relatively powerful allies it sounds like.

579
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:39,520
Nice.

580
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:46,280
Also, people just like seriously, they just couldn't muster up a give a fuck for, you know, they're

581
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,720
like, yes, you probably killed him.

582
00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:51,440
You know, like, do we care?

583
00:34:51,440 --> 00:35:01,880
Yeah, we're like, but I mean, you know, he was kind of a good doosh.

584
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:02,880
Yeah.

585
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:09,120
Honestly, like everything that I read it made it sound like, what is this, the walking

586
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,120
dead?

587
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:11,120
Like I get it.

588
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:17,360
He was kind of a dick, but like, wow, you guys, that's cold.

589
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:24,800
I'm like, damn, on November 20th, 1978.

590
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:25,800
Yep.

591
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,560
It was groovy.

592
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:28,560
Yep.

593
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,920
And he was zodiac killer.

594
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:32,920
Salted.

595
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:33,920
Salted.

596
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:34,920
Dooses.

597
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:35,920
Dooses.

598
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:36,920
We're out.

599
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:42,320
True crime is over.

600
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,400
We solved it.

601
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,280
And reincarnate Robert Stack, we solved this mystery.

602
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:50,280
RIP.

603
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:55,480
On November 20th, 1878, Mary was acquitted of murder.

604
00:35:55,480 --> 00:36:02,720
Because, you know, it's like the least murdery murder they've seen in a while.

605
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:03,720
Yeah.

606
00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:09,040
This was more of an indication that the popular sentiment of the day was that her crime

607
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:14,640
had been justified, but hardly a reflection of her being proved innocent.

608
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:20,960
In case that wasn't abundantly clear at this point.

609
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:25,560
It is said that many people believed Mary killed her husband.

610
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:32,880
But as he was so incredibly disliked, people actually felt sympathy for her.

611
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,760
And I mean, I could feel sympathy for her too.

612
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:40,800
He does sound like a real douche canoe.

613
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:48,480
I can't really say in this case whether she committed the air quotes crime or not.

614
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:55,360
What I can tell you is that if his murder had occurred just a few days later, she would

615
00:36:55,360 --> 00:37:02,720
have been shit out of luck because the divorce would have been finalized and she would have

616
00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:05,080
gotten nothing.

617
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:06,840
Oh snap.

618
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,560
Right?

619
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:15,520
As it was, she became the sole heir to a relatively wealthy man's fortune.

620
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,520
Quite a nice hall there.

621
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:18,520
Murderous?

622
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:19,520
Maybe.

623
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,280
A stu-a-state planner?

624
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,120
Possibly?

625
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:25,120
Investors?

626
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:26,120
Possibly!

627
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:35,760
Later that year, Mary collected from Daniels estate as the sole heir and moved to Portland.

628
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:36,760
Allegedly.

629
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,800
Depending on which story you believe, who knows?

630
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,880
There's no way to know.

631
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:46,640
Following that sorted affair, as I said, she moved to Portland where she would quickly become

632
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,600
known as a defender of the down and out.

633
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:50,600
Nice.

634
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,480
Yeah, sounds good, right?

635
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:54,480
Mm-hmm.

636
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,440
Why do I feel like it's not good with how you said that?

637
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,040
Because, you know, we've hung out before.

638
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,480
This is a true crime podcast.

639
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:05,480
Exactly.

640
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:12,680
But soon, some of her other habits would leave some in the local community quite scandalized.

641
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,040
She liked the ponies, didn't she?

642
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,560
That's a good one.

643
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,560
No.

644
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:25,440
But she was a middle-aged woman who frequently courted men that were roughly half her age.

645
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,440
Oh, scandal.

646
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:28,440
I know.

647
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:29,440
My goodness.

648
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:34,120
Apparently, she was the OG cougar of the Pacific Northwest.

649
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:35,120
Nice.

650
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,840
Snaps for this bitch.

651
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,160
I mean, if they come a colon.

652
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,680
What are you going to do?

653
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:44,680
Yeah.

654
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:51,280
Honestly, I don't ever want to date a man half my age for a myriad of reasons that we

655
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:56,320
say I simply don't have time for in today's format.

656
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,680
But if that's your yum, I'm not here to yuck it up, girl.

657
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,680
Do you have your fun?

658
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:02,680
Get it?

659
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,680
Any other pitty one, girl?

660
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:05,680
Yeah.

661
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:06,760
Get your groove back.

662
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:11,840
Boss thing.

663
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,400
She also operated boarding houses.

664
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:21,240
Now, I realize that only Lindsay can see that I am once again using the air quotes.

665
00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:24,240
Air quotes.

666
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:31,200
They were said to be utilized by sex workers of the era, but like, really, point to a boarding

667
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:35,760
house in the 1800s of which this couldn't be said.

668
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:36,760
Yeah.

669
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,400
I'm no historian.

670
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:43,920
That's already been established, but I have the distinct impression that you simply can't

671
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,720
find one.

672
00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:51,960
Even if they weren't to quote unquote, "brothals," you know, sex workers don't just stay at

673
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:53,280
bruffles, right?

674
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,320
Like they stay in other places.

675
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,400
They go all kinds of places.

676
00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:59,400
Shocker.

677
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:00,400
I know.

678
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,400
Knowledge, bomb.

679
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,400
Knowledge, bomb.

680
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:05,400
Mind blown.

681
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:13,480
Anyway, to me, I'm just seeing mainly a badass female entrepreneur who takes no shit so far.

682
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:20,240
But please feel free to wake me up if she starts really while and out.

683
00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:26,600
You know, I mean, like, I guess the murder thing was, yeah, there's that.

684
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,600
She could have totally slipped.

685
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:39,920
He slipped with the tiny, tiny gun in his hand and no one knows what happened after that,

686
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:41,400
but then he was dead.

687
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:47,360
Just picture like a puppet hand coming in through like a crack in the doorway with like the little

688
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:48,360
gun in his hand.

689
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:49,360
Thank you.

690
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:50,360
Parkmark.

691
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:51,360
Thank you.

692
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,360
Good heavens.

693
00:40:53,360 --> 00:41:02,960
I mean, by the societal standards of the time, basically everything she did.

694
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:08,000
She for sure was already while and out, but I have no notes.

695
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,400
I mean, good for her.

696
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,000
Oh, you ever heard that a Dixie chick song?

697
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,000
Because her role had to die.

698
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:29,320
Daniel G Leonard has, nope, I don't have to workshop that one.

699
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:30,320
Yeah.

700
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:31,720
So anyway, recapping.

701
00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:34,560
So we're all on the same page with the timeline.

702
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:40,880
In 1878, she moved to Portland and began running her boarding house, her boarding house, in

703
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:46,520
what was probably the CDS neighborhood in Portland at the time now referred to as old

704
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:47,920
town.

705
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:52,240
And if you're from Portland, you're probably saying what has changed?

706
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:53,240
It is.

707
00:41:53,240 --> 00:42:00,120
I felt like we were going there, but I was like, I'm gonna wait and see how this place out.

708
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:09,160
I mean, it's a cool, cool part of Portland, but she's seen some things.

709
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:17,760
This was of course after her acquittal, but keep in mind, she'd served a year while the

710
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:23,280
state put together their case against her for the murder of her late husband.

711
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:28,200
She would never have a chance to test out that age-old theory of first, the worst, second,

712
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,240
the best because she would never remarry.

713
00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:32,240
Okay.

714
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:34,560
Shocker, right?

715
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:35,560
Yeah.

716
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:42,040
The first one seemed just short of a fairy tale, but she wasn't keen to sit on her hands.

717
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,560
Five years later is when she enrolled in law school.

718
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:49,400
So obviously, cue the legally blonde jokes now.

719
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:56,720
But like it's hard, she was first registered for courses in Portland, then eventually moved

720
00:42:56,720 --> 00:43:00,760
on to study under JC Haynes in Seattle.

721
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:05,360
He was a renowned attorney and apparently this was a good enough opportunity to entice

722
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:09,440
her to abandon her boarding house business in the pursuit.

723
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:10,440
Oh, okay.

724
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,680
Well, she was like, I'm feeling really good about this.

725
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:14,800
Bye, ladies.

726
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:15,800
Yeah.

727
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,560
Bye boarding house.

728
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:21,960
Ostelepizza gotta go do your sexy stuff somewhere else.

729
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,400
Or keep doing it here, but I just won't be hiding it for you.

730
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:25,400
Yeah.

731
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,320
I won't be a part of it.

732
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,960
Honestly, if I'm not here, what's even the point?

733
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:39,400
In October 1884, she passed the Washington bar and was admitted to practice in Washington

734
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,600
on March 11th of 1885.

735
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:47,840
So kind of dragging their feet there a little bit, but thus becoming the first woman in the

736
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:53,040
state of Washington to be licensed to practice law.

737
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,040
That's pretty cool.

738
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:55,960
I know.

739
00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:01,160
She's like, listen, I don't like to brag except I totally do.

740
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,800
I'm kind of a big fucking deal.

741
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:09,760
And I may or may not have killed my husband, but you know what?

742
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:10,760
Lawyer.

743
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:15,440
She just like flashes her certification.

744
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:16,600
Lawyer.

745
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,600
Lawyer.

746
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:24,960
Shortly thereafter, Mary returned to Portland and applied to practice law in Oregon.

747
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:30,280
But here's the thing about old-timey Oregon that we don't like to talk about so much in

748
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:35,240
polite company as it were.

749
00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:38,920
People from Oregon hate it when you talk about this.

750
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:39,920
Let's go.

751
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:40,920
Let's go there.

752
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:41,920
Yeah.

753
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,880
Because I'm not from Oregon and I don't know.

754
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,120
And you're like, no.

755
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,800
Tell me something awful.

756
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,600
Spill that tea.

757
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,880
History.

758
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:59,080
Many of the states and happenings were not only racist, which I think is pretty well established

759
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:05,400
about the state of Oregon, white sheets and all, but they were also terrible sexists and

760
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:06,400
misogynists.

761
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:11,480
Because who wants to be just one thing?

762
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:12,920
We're multifaceted.

763
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:13,920
Yes.

764
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:14,920
In our hatred.

765
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:15,920
In our hatred.

766
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,760
Everyone who's not a cis-white man.

767
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:19,760
I get it.

768
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:20,760
I get it.

769
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,120
People that are different are scary.

770
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:27,200
So of course, the men of the town weren't going to let this go down without putting up

771
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:28,200
a fight.

772
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:33,520
Apparently, they found the time in between burping contests at the local tavern and visiting

773
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:39,240
their mistresses in local boarding houses to put up quite a fuss while still making it

774
00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:44,040
home in time to complain about the dinner their wives had prepared.

775
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:45,040
Nice.

776
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,440
So it's time management.

777
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:48,440
Exactly.

778
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:52,120
So you see ladies, you really can have it all.

779
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:57,600
I was like, it's not too much, but it's just like.

780
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,480
Seriously, don't y'all have better things to do?

781
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:06,840
Like, Jesus, weren't people still dying of the common cold every year?

782
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:07,840
Fuck's sake.

783
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:09,160
Yeah.

784
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:15,360
On March 18th, 1885, the Oregon Supreme Court refused to admit Mary, claiming the law

785
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:19,200
only allowed for men to be admitted to the bar.

786
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,840
So of course, a judge has to get involved.

787
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,800
In this case, Judge Matthew ordered her, declared her, whatever.

788
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:26,800
I don't know.

789
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:33,560
He said, I'm a judge and I've in the appropriate official legal fashion, he said that she should

790
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,200
be able to practice in federal court.

791
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,120
He was like, that is it.

792
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:40,600
Put my foot down.

793
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,720
Don't make me turn this car around.

794
00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:45,840
And everyone was like, nah.

795
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:46,840
Yeah.

796
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:47,840
Yeah.

797
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,720
That's exactly what how did you know?

798
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:54,520
She can jump.

799
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,640
[LAUGHTER]

800
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:04,720
Federal judge Matthew Didi of the US District Court for the District of Oregon finding no similar

801
00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:11,240
prohibition in his interpretation of the law, admitted Mary to the federal bar in Oregon

802
00:47:11,240 --> 00:47:15,120
on March 27th of 1885.

803
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:20,720
Finally, that seems like that would be the last of it, but apparently not.

804
00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:21,720
Cool.

805
00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:22,720
Cool.

806
00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:23,720
Cool.

807
00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:25,720
She turned that car around.

808
00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:27,440
Damn it.

809
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:32,840
Though it was common practice to recognize other legal professionals from neighboring jurisdictions

810
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:39,400
without much concern, the state of Oregon denied her application with the bar association

811
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:46,080
because the men folk weren't prepared to let this lady of the law win so easily after all.

812
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:55,880
Basically, they were just whining just so much mediocre, white male whining.

813
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:57,880
It's not fair.

814
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:58,880
She can't do that.

815
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,880
You can't do that.

816
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,080
Turns out she got a uterus.

817
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:04,080
Yeah.

818
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:05,080
[LAUGHTER]

819
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:06,080
Gross.

820
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,080
[LAUGHTER]

821
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:13,800
So she lobbied the legislature to ensure that the state would be required to allow women

822
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:18,200
admission to the bar because remember, she was initially licensed in Washington.

823
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:24,080
So it's all this jurisdictional, holo blue.

824
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:29,920
In November 1885, the Oregon legislature passed a law supported by Mary that allowed

825
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,760
women to be admitted to the bar.

826
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,200
So again, like, are we done yet?

827
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:36,200
No.

828
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:37,200
Mm-hmm.

829
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:42,680
Then the state Supreme Court responded by throwing together a totally bullshit one-year

830
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:44,840
residency program.

831
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:45,840
This all fixer.

832
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:46,840
Yeah.

833
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:51,200
They were so upset about a hormone practicing law.

834
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:57,000
This was a law that was basically designed expressly to hopefully derail her application

835
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:01,640
rather than outright denying it because, you know, that didn't work out for them.

836
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,760
She argued her case in front of the Supreme Court and in person.

837
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:10,400
This was at a time when women did not do a lot of public speaking, mind you.

838
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:11,400
Oh, yeah.

839
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:12,400
Mm-hmm.

840
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:17,480
Because that's not very lady like we're supposed to be seen, not heard.

841
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,120
Oh my God, that is exactly what I thought to myself when I was writing this.

842
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:24,160
I was like, wait, that's only children, right?

843
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:25,920
I'm like, nah.

844
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:26,920
It's the 1800s.

845
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:28,120
What am I saying?

846
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:29,120
Mm-hmm.

847
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:30,120
It's everybody.

848
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:31,120
That's not a man.

849
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:32,120
Yeah.

850
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:38,360
She argued that exceptions had been made for 12 other male applicants.

851
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,360
So, you know, they kind of set the press.

852
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,360
And all that.

853
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:45,360
Mm-hmm.

854
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:51,440
She made a very compelling argument against them, essentially leaving them with no choice,

855
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:57,360
even considering the threat of bears being able to smell her menstruation.

856
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:02,680
I love ink and man so much.

857
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:12,320
Then, on April 13th, 1886, Mary was admitted by the Oregon Supreme Court as Oregon's first

858
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:13,320
female lawyer.

859
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:14,320
Finally.

860
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:22,480
Yeah, but like, for real this time because apparently that other time was like kind of just

861
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:26,800
a trial for funsies and they're like, nah, nah, nah, nah.

862
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:27,800
Yeah.

863
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:32,520
Now, she may have been victorious in her hard fought battle for the right to practice law,

864
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:40,040
but she wasn't a particularly successful attorney, which is kind of a bummer.

865
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:41,040
Yeah.

866
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:44,920
Like, thanks a lot, Mary.

867
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:51,160
However, she did become notable in her own way.

868
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:58,080
She mostly represented sex workers, gamblers, and average laborers in criminal court.

869
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:04,200
Mary's colorful life continued as she developed a practice in Portland, working mainly in

870
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,080
the police courts.

871
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,440
You know, working with those undesirables.

872
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,800
Mm-hmm.

873
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:18,320
To supplement what was a fairly poultry income from her law practice, she reopened a boarding

874
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:19,560
house.

875
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:26,680
She was also a wild drinker known for partying around town amongst her younger male colleagues.

876
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:27,920
What?

877
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,920
I know.

878
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:30,920
Old habits die hard.

879
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:32,960
Am I right?

880
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:33,960
You are right.

881
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:34,960
Aha.

882
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,160
Now, that is a lady.

883
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,560
Stay golden, Boneyboy.

884
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:46,000
That's how I picture her is that character.

885
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:52,000
It is said that she developed a reputation for fighting and drinking with male attorneys.

886
00:51:52,000 --> 00:52:00,720
So hopefully she had a tolerance for the booze and wasn't my height.

887
00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:06,600
In 1897, Mary was arrested for threatening to kill the landlord of her boarding house

888
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:10,440
when he attempted to evict her from his property.

889
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:15,600
Kind of seems like maybe it backs up that whole story about how she like, I don't know,

890
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:20,800
maybe kind of killed her previous husband, but could be totally unrelated.

891
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:27,360
After a trial described as a circus, Mary was once again acquitted because she barely

892
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:31,280
has nine lives.

893
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:32,880
For real.

894
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:42,520
Later, she was convicted of embezzlement of $1.40 relating to refusing to pay a witness

895
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,680
and went to jail after she refused to pay the fine.

896
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:49,160
So doesn't like to pay the bills.

897
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:54,040
Like, she went to jail for like, I probably have that in my pocket right now.

898
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:55,560
I realize it was a different time.

899
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:56,560
Oh my God.

900
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,040
That is so good.

901
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,520
Less than $2 worth of embezzlement and I'm just going to go to jail.

902
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,920
Take me away, officer.

903
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:09,080
Cuff them, Dan O.

904
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:16,920
Mary continued her practice in Portland until June 1912 and she died on October 24 of

905
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:18,800
1912.

906
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:24,120
This was just two weeks after being admitted to a hospital in Multnomah County, Oregon.

907
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,920
At the time of her death, she was said to be practically penniless and without a close

908
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,600
friend left.

909
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,440
So no wonder she didn't want to pay the dollar 40.

910
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,920
She was like, I need this.

911
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,360
You don't understand.

912
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,920
I can't even afford to stay in my own boarding house.

913
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,320
I need this money.

914
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,280
Exactly.

915
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,840
Apparently she has no marked grave.

916
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:52,920
And though it's possible that her remains were sent to the University of Oregon Medical

917
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:53,920
School.

918
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:59,560
And he associated records from that era are long since disappeared following a fire

919
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:06,840
worthy were housed as our good friend Bailey would say, so spish.

920
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,000
You know, because she's our bestie now.

921
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,240
I mentioned her once casually in passing them.

922
00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:15,640
Now we're BFFs.

923
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:20,040
That's how that works.

924
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,680
So that's pretty dark depending on how you look at it.

925
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:26,920
But let's close out the case on a quote from Mary herself.

926
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:34,520
It's from the victory party slash press conference that she threw for herself following the

927
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:43,200
acquittal in the case brought against her by her landlord dating back to 1897.

928
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,040
She said of herself.

929
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:53,840
And yes, I quote, the lady is not young or stylish with all she is calmly and attractive,

930
00:54:53,840 --> 00:55:00,400
possessed of sparkling wit and her company pleases young attorneys.

931
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:05,280
And I was like, what?

932
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:09,280
So essentially she's like my milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.

933
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,080
Yeah.

934
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:15,280
Like the milkshake has been sitting now on the counter for a couple minutes, but like,

935
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,240
they're still coming for it.

936
00:55:17,240 --> 00:55:18,240
Yeah.

937
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:20,160
But like, it's still good to sum it up.

938
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:21,160
It's still good.

939
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,640
I love a room temp milkshake.

940
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:24,640
Who doesn't?

941
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:25,640
Oh my god.

942
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:27,640
I'm a raving lunatic.

943
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,640
Okay, we're going to move the wine.

944
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:31,640
I will tear it.

945
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:40,640
We'll give them one more good shuffle.

946
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:44,640
My tiny baby hands.

947
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,640
You have strong hand.

948
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:47,640
Exactly.

949
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:53,640
Have you ever had a tarot reading done?

950
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:54,640
Once.

951
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:55,640
Once.

952
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:56,640
Okay.

953
00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:03,640
We're going to have to come on and like do like a tarot reading just like, just for like you,

954
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,640
just for funsies, one of these.

955
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,640
This is so much fun.

956
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:09,640
I like them.

957
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:10,640
Okay.

958
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:11,640
So you're going to laugh.

959
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:16,640
This is the card that Cassie is like her card.

960
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,640
Like, shows up for her all the time.

961
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:24,640
She is going to probably laugh her ass off that it's the card that I picked for this case

962
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,640
when she's not here.

963
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:31,640
So our card for Mary is the fool.

964
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:35,640
Also Cassie's card.

965
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:39,640
I drew it in the reverse, which doesn't happen to us super often.

966
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:41,640
I feel like we usually get it upright.

967
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:43,640
So we'll see.

968
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:45,640
It's kind of an interesting one.

969
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:53,640
Key words for the card are innocence, beginnings, trust, hope and opportunity.

970
00:56:53,640 --> 00:57:01,640
Kind of the overarching premise of the card is really about like a new beginning or just kind of a rebirth.

971
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:06,640
The first card in the major arcana, the fool begins your journey toward wisdom.

972
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:11,640
The fool represents innocence and faith, the naive confidence of youth.

973
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:17,640
Shown as a young traveler, he embarks on an adventure without a care in the world.

974
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:21,640
Unconcerned about the potential dangers that lurk ahead on the path.

975
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:27,640
In some decks, he appears as a happy go lucky young male standing at the edge of a cliff.

976
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:31,640
Just about to step off into the great unknown.

977
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:39,640
Often he carries all his worldly possessions tied in a small bag on a stick over his shoulder, like a.

978
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:44,640
A bird that is no longer in common usage.

979
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:49,640
Like an unhoused person, I'm sorry.

980
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:55,640
Suggesting he doesn't have a lot of baggage yet and is open to life's experiences.

981
00:57:55,640 --> 00:58:02,640
In some decks, he is accompanied by a dog or another animal, which represents natural instincts.

982
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:09,640
The fool symbolizes the blind leap of faith we almost take upon entering the journey of life.

983
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:14,640
If the fool is reversed, you may feel restless and bored, eager to try something new.

984
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,640
But now is probably not the right time to act.

985
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:21,640
I think of this as the don't quit your day job card.

986
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:22,640
That's kind of funny.

987
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:26,640
She wasn't a very good lawyer.

988
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:30,640
She gave up her boarding house business and then eventually came back to it.

989
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:32,640
That's pretty funny.

990
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:33,640
That is funny.

991
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:39,640
In a reading about money, you may not have all the information you need to make a well-founded decision.

992
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:44,640
An impulsive action could lead to a fall.

993
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,640
Someone may take advantage of your innocence.

994
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:52,640
The reversed fool can also mean you're vacillating or overly cautious about money matters.

995
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,640
I wouldn't say that was for problem so much.

996
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:57,640
No.

997
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:02,640
If the reading is about your job, your current situation has probably led to a dead end

998
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,640
or you've grown bored with the career path you're on.

999
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,640
It's time to strike out in a new direction.

1000
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:10,640
Don't do this hastily, however.

1001
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,640
Gather information and explore possibilities.

1002
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:17,640
Well, I mean, she did kind of nail that.

1003
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:18,640
She did.

1004
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:19,640
She did.

1005
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:23,640
Like 60% of the time it works every time.

1006
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:29,640
In a reading about love, this card can warn you to look more closely at a partner or relationship.

1007
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,640
Things may not be what you think.

1008
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:34,640
That feels right.

1009
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,640
Yeah.

1010
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:43,640
The reversed fool may also indicate the end of a relationship and greater freedom as a result.

1011
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:47,640
That hits the nail on the head just a little bit.

1012
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:48,640
Wow.

1013
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:50,640
It's a little on the nose.

1014
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,640
Holy shit.

1015
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:58,640
Think before you act, however, for you might regret a breakup undertaken hastily.

1016
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:02,640
That's a little too pistol on the head one might say.

1017
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,640
Oh my god.

1018
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:06,640
Oh, I see.

1019
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:08,640
I'm going to die.

1020
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That is just.

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That's too perfect.

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See, I told you guys that episode.

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It was amazing.

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I'm kind of jealous that I miss it, but it's fine.

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It's fine.

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If you loved that terror read and you want to see it with your own eyeballs, you can become a member of our Patreon

1027
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where a video of every terror read is uploaded with the ad free version of the episode each week.

1028
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And this week, Caitlyn did a special little terror read for Lindsay that will not be in the regular episode,

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but it will be included in our Patreon, terror video.

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So Patreon members, make sure to check that one out.

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It's pretty fun.

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And if you're wondering what Patreon is, it is a way to support us.

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It's a monthly subscription with a range of price points and benefits.

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Every member gets a personalized welcome card with a teeny tiny mini terror read in it.

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Caitlyn will be so impressed that I remembered to say that.

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We're also starting to do Patreon shout outs.

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So, you know, if you want us to read your name and maybe talk about you a little bit, get on in there.

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Patreon also gets exclusive bonus episodes, live episodes.

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We do a lot of fun stuff in there.

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So check it out.

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01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:38,640
If you can't support us monetarily, no worries at all, because the easiest way is to support us are absolutely free.

1042
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:46,640
Tell everyone in anyone you can about us or leave us a five star review on any platform you can.

1043
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:55,640
And if they let you leave a little comment like Apple does, definitely, you know, rave about how amazing we are.

1044
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If you have any true crime paranormal or which story is to submit for a listener appreciation episodes, creepy people, chronicles, please email us at pnwhauntsandhomicides@gmail.com.

1045
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Or you can use our handy dandy little Google contact form link in this episode description.

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You are always welcome to remain anonymous if we choose to read your story for an episode.

1047
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And remember, they don't have to be from the Pacific Northwest, even if, you know, our show is Pacific Northwest based.

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You know, we stretch the rules. We do what we want. We have fun here.

1049
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So please don't be hesitant to share if you don't live in the PNW area.

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Follow us on all of the social medias.

1051
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If you don't want to miss out on photos of every tarot card reading in our beautiful alter setups that go along with those in a lot of backstage shenanigans always all the time shenanigans.

1052
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Also check out our TikTok. It's pretty fun over there.

1053
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:57,640
And sometimes you know, we don't share the videos from TikTok to Instagram.

1054
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So you're kind of missing out if you don't go over to TikTok.

1055
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:08,640
You can find our website and our link tree. Those both have links to all of our socials. Literally anything we're on. pnwhauntsandhomicides.com

1056
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You can find us through those links. And you know, check out all the fun we have to offer.

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Thank you, creepy people so much. And since I'm alone for the outro today, I want you guys to join me and say have a creepy ass day with me so that I'm not alone.

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Cause I feel so alone right now. Okay, sorry, you ready on the count of three. One, two, three. Have a creepy ass day.

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See you next Tuesday.

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Unless somebody gets sick and can't do anything cause that seems to keep happening.

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Okay, bye.

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[Music]

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Oh my god, what the fuck is that movie? A fucking name.

1065
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Do you know what I'm talking about? Yes.

1066
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:39,640
I'm so sorry, Cassie.

1067
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:43,640
She said here like, what the actual fuck you guys?

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Oh my god. I'm so sorry. Bless your heart for having to sift through this.

1069
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Yeah. I told her she could start training me to, you know, do a little editing on the side.

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She's might be the thing that breaks her. Yeah. This is going to be it.

1071
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Secretly, she's probably like, listen, dummy. That sounds good and theory, but you're basically untrainable.

1072
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You're like an unhoused broken dog.

1073
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I didn't want to say it. You damn dune which?

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01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:12,640
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1083
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:14,640
Have a safe, stay fast!

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01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:15,480
- Bye.

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