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In this gripping episode, we delve into the harrowing story of Barry Hornstein, a seemingly ordinary man whose life was forever changed by a targeted attack. On a tranquil morning in Laurelhurst, a bedroom neighborhood of Portland, miraculously...
In this gripping episode, we delve into the harrowing story of Barry Hornstein, a seemingly ordinary man whose life was forever changed by a targeted attack. On a tranquil morning in Laurelhurst, a bedroom neighborhood of Portland, miraculously escaped death. The ensuing investigation reveal a web of deception, manipulation, and terror.
As detectives scramble to uncover the perpetrator behind the sophisticated assault, suspicion falls upon Barry's own family, including his estranged wife and teenage son, Jack. As the investigation unfolds, shocking revelations come to light, painting a picture of a calculated smear campaign and threats. The case takes a sinister turn, from a false alarm in Kennewick to chilling letters and email. Eventually, Timothy Michael Goff emerges as the prime suspect. With evidence linking him to the bombings and a disturbing history of exploitation, the true extent of his depravity is laid bare.
As legal proceedings ensue, the prosecution faces challenges in presenting crucial evidence, raising questions about justice and accountability. Yet, amidst the turmoil, Barry finds solace in the love and support of his family, ultimately emerging stronger despite the ordeal. But Barry’s optimism in the face of immense tragedy provides a glimmer of hope. Join us as we unravel the layers of this complex case, exploring the resilience of the human spirit in the face of unimaginable adversity. This is a story of survival, redemption, and the enduring power of love in the darkest of times.
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1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,720 Then just two days later, Jack's girlfriend's mom happens to be on the phone with the detective 2 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,920 as she's sorting the family's mail. 3 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:18,040 And suddenly she says, "Oh my god." 4 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:20,200 Which is never a great sign. 5 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:24,160 Unless it's like, "Oh my god, look, someone sent us like a shitload of money." 6 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,960 Oh my god, look at that fruit basket! 7 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:38,960 [Music] 8 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:39,960 Hi Cassie. 9 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:40,960 Hi Caitlyn. 10 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:42,960 Hi creepy people. 11 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:43,960 Hello! 12 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:44,960 Hello! 13 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:55,960 If you're new to our creepy corner of the world, this is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we chat about true crime, paranormal and all things. 14 00:00:55,960 --> 00:01:00,960 Creepy or spooky in the Pacific Northwest. 15 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:09,960 We do a tarot reading at the end for deeper insight into the episodes, so make sure you stick around if you're into that. 16 00:01:09,960 --> 00:01:10,960 They should be. 17 00:01:10,960 --> 00:01:13,960 By now, it's a must-listen. 18 00:01:13,960 --> 00:01:15,960 Haven't we converted them? 19 00:01:15,960 --> 00:01:16,960 I hope so. 20 00:01:16,960 --> 00:01:17,960 Yeah. 21 00:01:17,960 --> 00:01:19,960 All right Cassie, are you ready? 22 00:01:19,960 --> 00:01:21,960 Sure, yeah, I'm ready. 23 00:01:21,960 --> 00:01:25,960 I don't think you are, but I guess we'll find out. 24 00:01:25,960 --> 00:01:29,960 I don't know, you made the room all spooky and red, so it kind of feels like my vibe. 25 00:01:29,960 --> 00:01:31,960 Yeah, totally. 26 00:01:31,960 --> 00:01:40,960 On Wednesday, September 27th, 2000, Barry Hornstein was at his family home in Laurelhurst. 27 00:01:40,960 --> 00:01:43,960 Do you know where Laurelhurst is? 28 00:01:43,960 --> 00:01:45,960 Is that a town or an area? 29 00:01:45,960 --> 00:01:47,960 It's a neighborhood in Portland. 30 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:48,960 Yeah, okay. 31 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:56,960 At the time, he was recently separated from his wife, Kathy, though they'd been married for roughly 20 years. 32 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:58,960 That's a long time. 33 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:00,960 Well, you might want to earmark that for later. 34 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:01,960 Okay. 35 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,960 You might get a little bit of an explanation as to why. 36 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:06,960 Okay. 37 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:12,960 The couple's 17-year-old son, Jack, had already left for school at about 8 a.m. that morning. 38 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:20,960 Then later, at around 10 a.m., Barry left his home for the workday without a care in the world, 39 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,960 nor an enemy to point to in the world seemingly. 40 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:26,960 Oh, it's like this is sounding really great. 41 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:27,960 I know. 42 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:28,960 So wholesome. 43 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:30,960 Besides the separation part. 44 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:31,960 Yeah. 45 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:33,960 I mean, you know, some ups and downs. 46 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:34,960 Got no care in the world. 47 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:35,960 That sounds nice. 48 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:36,960 I know. 49 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:38,960 What's that like? 50 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:46,960 Barry was already in his car with his briefcase ready to leave for work when he spotted something strange. 51 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:52,960 It was a cylindrical object wrapped in black tape. 52 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:53,960 Okay. 53 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,960 A cylindrical object. 54 00:02:57,960 --> 00:02:59,960 Okay. 55 00:02:59,960 --> 00:03:02,960 I don't want to say what I'm thinking, but. 56 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:10,960 Rather than touch the item, he opted to sort of prod it, giving it a little kick. 57 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,960 It was an odd decision that likely spared his life. 58 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:16,960 Oh, shit. 59 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:27,960 Barry described looking down to see that there was a large amount of blood coming from his leg through his shredded pants. 60 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:29,960 Okay. 61 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:36,960 At 10.19 a.m. Barry's Laurelhurst neighbors heard a boom. 62 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:38,960 I don't like that. 63 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:46,960 It was Jeff Dixon that called 911 after he saw his neighbor lying injured near his vehicle. 64 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:56,960 Richard Price, who lived just a few houses down on a nearby corner, said he was in the shower when he heard the explosion. 65 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,960 That would be scary. 66 00:03:59,960 --> 00:04:00,960 What the fuck is that? 67 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:01,960 Fireworks? 68 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:02,960 That's what I would think. 69 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,960 I don't think you would have thought this was fireworks. 70 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:07,960 They're a little too close. 71 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:14,960 They're a little too close, and it's definitely a different booming sound from what I gather. 72 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,960 It was a big boom, and I'm pretty deaf, he said. 73 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:25,960 So this is someone who already doesn't have great hearing, and he's in a running shower, and he'll heard it. 74 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:26,960 Yeah. 75 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:37,960 No word on the name of the other terrified resident in the Price Household, but I thought it was important to note that his puppy was not amused. 76 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,960 Extremely frightened, in fact, from the sounds of it. 77 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:42,960 No, he didn't have a thunder shirt. 78 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,960 No, I don't think they were expecting thunder at that point. 79 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:52,960 Hundreds of feet away, chunks of pipe landed on the Laurel-Hurst Elementary School lawn. 80 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,960 Oh, God, it was close to a school. 81 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,960 Yeah, this is a residential neighborhood. 82 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:03,960 A fairly upscale one at that, so dang. 83 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:04,960 Yeah. 84 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:14,960 One neighbor reported a piece of flying shrapnel that came through a window of their home, which is kind of horrifying. 85 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:22,960 The bomb was far more sophisticated than was typical of an average pipe bomb. 86 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:32,960 It had an electronic battery to assist in detonation, and there were ball bearings inside the pipe. 87 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:33,960 Oh, God. 88 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:35,960 Why did they put things in the bombs? 89 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:37,960 I don't like it. It's already a bomb. 90 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,960 They do that because it makes it far more deadly. 91 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:42,960 I know, but I don't like it. 92 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:52,960 It was clearly intended to be fatal, but no forensic evidence was found on the bomb remnants that were collected from the crime scene. 93 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:54,960 Wouldn't it just burn all up? 94 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:56,960 I mean, not necessarily. 95 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:04,960 There are still like bits and shards and things that fly in all directions out from the blast. 96 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:06,960 Back to Barry. 97 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:14,960 Barry. The bones in his lower right leg were shattered. 98 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,960 And there was widespread tissue loss. 99 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:27,960 In the hospital, days from a combination of drugs, he was administered, as well as, I'm sure, a fair bit of shock. 100 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:36,960 Barry was informed that he was being taken into surgery for an emergency amputation of part of his leg. 101 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:38,960 Jesus, that's awful. 102 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:39,960 Yeah. 103 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:46,960 Which I have to say, though, it makes the question at the point of amputation. 104 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,960 Are there situations that it's not an emergency? 105 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,960 I mean, I assume we're not doing that casually. 106 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,960 I mean, sometimes I have to amputate because of diabetes or whatever. 107 00:06:57,960 --> 00:06:59,960 It's like an emergency, but not like. 108 00:06:59,960 --> 00:07:00,960 Yeah. 109 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:02,960 I mean, that's the only thing that I could think of as well. 110 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:03,960 That's the only thing. 111 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:08,960 Or if someone had a slow moving infection or possibly. 112 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:10,960 You guys let us know. 113 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:11,960 Yeah. 114 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,960 So then I started to wonder. 115 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:20,960 Would emergency surgery to amputate his leg have been better phrasing? 116 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:28,960 In any case, he would undergo life-saving surgery, amputating his leg below the knee. 117 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:34,960 The investigator showed up to talk to him even before Barry went into surgery, 118 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:41,960 because there was a little bit of concern as to whether or not he would survive. 119 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:43,960 Oh, geez. 120 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:49,960 But Barry woke up after his surgery at Legacy Emanuel to quite a start. 121 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:56,960 The gaunt vaguely, I'm going to say spooky, man. 122 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:03,960 In all black, left him concerned that he had come face to face with the grim reaper. 123 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,960 Oh, was it a priest? 124 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:07,960 No. 125 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:12,960 In truth, it was Portland Police Detective William Law. 126 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:14,960 That makes sense, but law, really? 127 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:15,960 Wow. 128 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,960 If you're going into law enforcement, I'm hard pressed to think of a better name. 129 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:25,960 I feel like if you have the last name law, you have to be a police officer or like a lawyer or something. 130 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:26,960 Pretty much. 131 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:28,960 Like those are your options. 132 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:29,960 Figure it out. 133 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:30,960 Sorry. 134 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:31,960 Pick a lane. 135 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:38,960 He told the detective that he couldn't think of anyone who'd want to harm him or his family. 136 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,960 Yeah, because he like didn't have a care in the world. 137 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:43,960 Everyone loved me. 138 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:44,960 Didn't have an enemy. 139 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:45,960 I got my briefcase. 140 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:47,960 I'm going to my real job. 141 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:48,960 Yep. 142 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,960 That's all I thought about when you said briefcase, I was like, this man has a real job. 143 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:54,960 That is a real ass job. 144 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:56,960 I'm going to start bringing in a briefcase over here. 145 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:57,960 Okay. 146 00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:58,960 Okay. 147 00:08:58,960 --> 00:08:59,960 I think that'd be good. 148 00:08:59,960 --> 00:09:00,960 I feel good about that. 149 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:01,960 Legitimize this. 150 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:02,960 I'm going to go to Goodwill and find one. 151 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:03,960 You know what? 152 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:04,960 It's a tax right off. 153 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:08,960 Go to fucking Louis Vuitton. 154 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,960 We need that company credit card first. 155 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:18,960 That is exactly why we will not be issued a company credit card. 156 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:26,720 Barry was a 59 year old Jewish Portland native and actually a lifelong resident who had graduated 157 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,960 from Lincoln High. 158 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:30,960 Oh, I know. 159 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:32,960 Just a local guy. 160 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:33,960 Portlandian. 161 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:35,960 Portlandian. 162 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:42,240 He had attended classes and played football with Michael Schrunk. 163 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:43,520 Are we supposed to know who that is? 164 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:45,320 I mean, probably not. 165 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,760 This is a long time ago and it's not like he was the president. 166 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:52,960 He was then the Multnomah County District Attorney. 167 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:53,960 Oh. 168 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:57,200 So, probably not a bad friend to have. 169 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:58,200 No. 170 00:09:58,200 --> 00:09:59,200 The BADA. 171 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:00,200 Mm-hmm. 172 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:01,200 Badass. 173 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:02,200 I like that. 174 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:03,200 District Attorney. 175 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:04,200 Uh. 176 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:05,200 Okay. 177 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:06,200 Woo! 178 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:07,200 Woo! 179 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:14,760 At the time, he worked as an insurance agent primarily handling clients in the restaurant industry. 180 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:22,120 So that's what Barry did with his totally real, grown-ass adult job. 181 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,120 That's where he took his briefcase. 182 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:25,120 Uh-huh. 183 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:26,120 Insurance. 184 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:27,120 Place. 185 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,120 I imagine all that important paperwork. 186 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:30,120 I know. 187 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:31,120 I'm in that briefcase. 188 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:32,120 Less. 189 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:33,120 Wow. 190 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:40,960 So, he's hardly the type of person you might expect would encounter a pipe bomb, right? 191 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:41,960 Yeah. 192 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:46,520 I was a little surprised. 193 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:55,120 Of course, the investigators take a look at everyone close to Barry, beginning with his, 194 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,920 shall we say, estranged, um, separated? 195 00:10:58,920 --> 00:10:59,920 Hmm. 196 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:00,920 Kathy. 197 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:02,920 The wife did it. 198 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:07,560 I mean, it's often this spouse, man or woman. 199 00:11:07,560 --> 00:11:11,920 That was me quoting a thing, not me saying, but she did it just to you. 200 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:13,840 Oh, I feel like that was clear. 201 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:14,840 Okay. 202 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:16,640 Well, I don't know if you're not a true crime person. 203 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,640 Maybe someone's listening for the first time. 204 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,760 They're like, oh, she did it. 205 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:21,760 What an accusation. 206 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:22,760 I know. 207 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,760 And they immediately turn off the podcast and they don't listen to the rest. 208 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,000 So they fully think that Kathy did it. 209 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,000 They leave a bad review. 210 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,200 Kathy did not do this. 211 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,000 Oh, gosh. 212 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,320 That is defamation of character. 213 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:42,160 When she learned what had happened to Barry, she quickly rushed to his side. 214 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:48,000 Their separation wasn't intended to end the marriage, but rather to coax him into seeking 215 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,840 treatment for his addiction. 216 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:52,880 Oh, okay. 217 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:53,880 New layer. 218 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:55,560 Any guesses? 219 00:11:55,560 --> 00:11:59,120 His addiction gambling? 220 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,080 How can you read my notes from that? 221 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:02,080 I can't. 222 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:03,080 I just knew. 223 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:04,080 I don't know. 224 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:05,080 I don't know. 225 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:06,080 I don't know. 226 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:07,080 Have you heard this case before? 227 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:08,080 No. 228 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,400 I literally am just psychic. 229 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:11,400 Okay. 230 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:15,760 I heard addiction and in my mind said gambling and that is how I said it. 231 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:17,880 She is almost 60. 232 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,000 So I feel like gambling to me. 233 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,040 That's probably what I would think as well. 234 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,680 Normally I would have probably just said like alcohol. 235 00:12:24,680 --> 00:12:25,680 Oh. 236 00:12:25,680 --> 00:12:26,680 Sex addiction. 237 00:12:26,680 --> 00:12:28,160 I'm psychic. 238 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,160 All right. 239 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:35,160 Barry told investigators that they had been in therapy for roughly a year prior to their 240 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:39,000 separation because of his gambling addiction. 241 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:40,000 Oh. 242 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,800 Yeah. 243 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:43,840 This is rough. 244 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:51,400 Barry gambled away roughly $200,000 from the family savings, but had never taken out debt 245 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,560 to support his habit. 246 00:12:53,560 --> 00:12:58,880 He lost their life savings but didn't have any threatening debts related to the gambling. 247 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:02,600 So no like, you know, sharks after him. 248 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:03,600 Okay. 249 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,720 So that's good, I guess. 250 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:06,720 I mean, yeah. 251 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:07,720 There's that. 252 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:12,520 Next, Jack was questioned on the grounds of his high school. 253 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:17,240 He hadn't seen anything in the driveway when he left for school. 254 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:24,480 Authorities decided to take a closer look into Barry's song, "Shack, though." 255 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:28,520 There weren't any red flags initially. 256 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:32,920 So he played football and seemed popular amongst his peers. 257 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,680 Jack was somewhat introverted. 258 00:13:35,680 --> 00:13:44,400 There were some fairly typical teenage shenanigans like Aginga House and a paintball incident 259 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:50,080 that had stirred up a bit of tension in their neighborhood. 260 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,080 A paintball incident? 261 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:53,080 Yeah. 262 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:58,320 I didn't get into the details, but it sounds like maybe somebody had some paint damage 263 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,480 or like a broken window or... 264 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:09,640 It's not great, but nothing that seemingly would have motivated this type of vicious attack. 265 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:16,560 Eventually, authorities would learn about flyers that were distributed. 266 00:14:16,560 --> 00:14:22,400 They were emailed out to a bunch of Jack's peers at school. 267 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:30,800 The flyers claimed that he was a rapist. 268 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:31,800 Who? 269 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:32,800 Jack. 270 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:34,800 The Jack was a 18-year-old son. 271 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:35,800 Oh, shit. 272 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:36,800 Okay. 273 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:37,800 Yeah. 274 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:39,200 I know it's a little bit hard to wrap your head around. 275 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,440 I thought you were saying he put the flyers out. 276 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:42,440 No. 277 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:43,440 Okay. 278 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:49,280 These are flyers that were randomly emailed to a bunch of his peers. 279 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:55,280 And these emails encouraged people to print them out and post them around town. 280 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:59,120 That's awful if it's not true. 281 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:00,120 Mm-hmm. 282 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:06,120 The flyers had been placed in and around his high school and claimed that Jack had raped 283 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:10,480 a 13-year-old girl. 284 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:14,160 Of course, Jack denied these allegations. 285 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:19,120 He was asked to take a lie detector test. 286 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:25,800 Which initially he failed, leading to additional questioning. 287 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:32,920 After investigating further, including conducting a voluntary search of his computer, police 288 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:37,640 then prompted him to take that second lie detector test. 289 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:42,640 Apparently, he was just super nervous the first time because he passed on the second 290 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:43,640 go-around. 291 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:47,360 I was going to say I'd be so nervous I wouldn't pass that I wouldn't pass. 292 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:48,360 Yeah. 293 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:54,040 You know, the thing about lie detector test and this comes up a lot in different cases 294 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:55,280 where they're involved. 295 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,480 It's like, this isn't admissible in court. 296 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,000 So why are we doing this rigour maryl? 297 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,080 Where are we even, you know, bothering? 298 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:08,820 I mean, you're just, honestly, you're just traumatizing a 17-year-old kid who is already 299 00:16:08,820 --> 00:16:10,120 stressed to the max. 300 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:11,520 His parents are separated. 301 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:15,680 His dad just had to have his leg amputated. 302 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:21,000 So like, yeah, he might be a little bit, uh, all over the place, emotionally. 303 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:22,160 Definitely. 304 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:25,600 When I'm being questioned, and I feel like I'm lying no matter what. 305 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:26,600 Yeah. 306 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:31,400 I mean, you just feel stressed, you know, than anything. 307 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:36,800 Jack received an anonymous letter that was allegedly addressed by the bomber. 308 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:38,840 Okay. 309 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,720 The bomber wrote this letter, allegedly. 310 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:42,720 Allegedly. 311 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:43,720 Okay. 312 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:52,800 The letter indicated remorse for hurting Barry and stated the bomb had been meant for 313 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:53,800 Jack. 314 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:54,800 Mm. 315 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:55,800 Or Barry. 316 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:57,800 I mean, poor. 317 00:16:57,800 --> 00:16:59,320 I don't know about Jack yet. 318 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,080 I don't know if he's guilty or innocent. 319 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:02,080 True. 320 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:03,680 It doesn't, you don't know how to feel about it. 321 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:05,200 But you assume innocence, right? 322 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:06,200 Mm-hmm. 323 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:10,040 I mean, you always assume until proven otherwise. 324 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:11,040 But still? 325 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,960 Or a reasonable doubt for sure for Barry. 326 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:15,960 Yes. 327 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:23,320 Authorities theorized that the bomb had previously been attached to the underside of Jack's 328 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:29,200 vehicle with magnets, which would prove true. 329 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:30,200 Okay. 330 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,840 The bomb was attached to Jack's car. 331 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:40,600 And it is only just luck of the draw that it happened to have fallen off the underside 332 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:42,360 of his vehicle. 333 00:17:42,360 --> 00:17:45,720 And he drove away and left for school. 334 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:51,080 And it was still laying in the driveway when Barry left for work that morning. 335 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,200 Damn, that's like movie shit. 336 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:54,200 Like it is. 337 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:58,360 Literally, I'm watching this on the big screen right now. 338 00:17:58,360 --> 00:17:59,360 Yeah. 339 00:17:59,360 --> 00:18:00,360 Car bombings. 340 00:18:00,360 --> 00:18:01,360 Yeah. 341 00:18:01,360 --> 00:18:02,360 It falling off. 342 00:18:02,360 --> 00:18:04,160 That's crazy. 343 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:05,160 It's pretty wild. 344 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:06,160 Is there a movie out of this? 345 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:07,760 Because I bet there could be. 346 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:15,120 I don't think there's an actual Hollywood style movie, but there is a documentary of sorts. 347 00:18:15,120 --> 00:18:19,640 It's basically just a true crime show that didn't episode about it. 348 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:25,440 But yeah, it's a little cinematic. 349 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:35,080 By October 6th of 2000, shortly after the bomb, Jack visits his girlfriend in Kennewick, 350 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:36,880 Washington. 351 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,600 The pair hit Matt at a seaside arcade. 352 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:40,600 Oh. 353 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:44,720 While they were on a family vacation. 354 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:49,080 Like actual seaside or just like, oh my gosh, I was just there. 355 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:50,080 The arcade. 356 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:51,080 The arcade. 357 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:52,920 We walked around on the arcade. 358 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:54,640 Yeah, super cool. 359 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,040 That's funny. 360 00:18:56,040 --> 00:19:01,160 Over that weekend, his girlfriend's family is spending some time at a park in their 361 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:10,880 neighborhood and his girlfriend's brother then discovers a pipe bomb on the grounds of that 362 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:11,880 park. 363 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,760 Oh my gosh, it's still coming. 364 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:16,960 Literally right by their house. 365 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:18,960 It's after him. 366 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:20,400 Funny you say that. 367 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:28,200 It had a note attached in Spanish that read, "If you find this, please give it back to 368 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,680 Jack Hornstein." 369 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,680 In Spanish? 370 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:34,680 Okay. 371 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:35,680 Weird. 372 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:36,680 That is. 373 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:37,680 Weird. 374 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,800 Launforcement quickly responded. 375 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:48,720 They brought the explosive disposal unit, aka the bomb squad for us normies. 376 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:56,960 And thankfully, the device her brother found was discovered to be a fake or a dud. 377 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:00,360 Was it fake or was it a dud? 378 00:20:00,360 --> 00:20:01,360 It was fake. 379 00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:03,840 Well, it's like, those are two very different things. 380 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:11,480 I have heard it described as both, alternately, but ultimately, it wasn't really a dud because 381 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:17,440 it didn't have the innards of what would make it a bomb, but it was a very convincing fake. 382 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:22,440 So, they thought it might have been a dud until they really like, dug into it. 383 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:23,440 Gosh. 384 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:24,440 Yeah. 385 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:28,040 I don't know why, like, bombs freak me out. 386 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,120 I think I've just watched too many movies where it's like the countdown. 387 00:20:31,120 --> 00:20:32,320 I hate the fucking countdown. 388 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:33,320 Oh, the countdown. 389 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:38,680 It reminds me of that game where you try to put the shapes in and it's like ticking down. 390 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:39,680 Operation? 391 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:40,680 No. 392 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:45,480 You like, you like put the shapes in all the little holes before it, like pops up. 393 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,520 I don't know what that is. 394 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,520 I don't think of what it is. 395 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,160 If you guys know what it is, tell me. 396 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:53,160 It's dressful. 397 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:58,040 Kathy thought Jack would be safe while in Kennewick. 398 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:06,520 Kathy, Jack's mom, learned about this additional incident with the fake bomb via the news and ordered 399 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:07,520 Jack home. 400 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:16,280 Like, dude, don't let your mom find out a bomb real or fake from the news, especially after 401 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:21,560 everything that your family has just gone through with a very real bomb. 402 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,800 Yeah, I don't know if I would have told her. 403 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,800 I mean, she's gonna hear about it. 404 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:27,800 I don't know. 405 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:32,040 Did he know that it was gonna be put on the news? 406 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:36,720 You thought that they were gonna find a fake bomb after his dad had already been attacked 407 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:40,160 with a bomb and that wasn't gonna make the news. 408 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:41,160 I don't know. 409 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,040 Depends on what kind of mom she is because... 410 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:51,120 It's a pretty sensational bombing as well because this one was literally addressed 411 00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:52,120 to him. 412 00:21:52,120 --> 00:21:53,120 Yeah. 413 00:21:53,120 --> 00:21:57,200 But I could see how he wouldn't tell him, tell her when he's on vacation. 414 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,760 No, he wants to stay with his girlfriend. 415 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,800 He doesn't want his mom to tell him to come home because she's good. 416 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,880 And it was a fake bomb, so it's fine. 417 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,400 Mom, it's fine. 418 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:07,400 Yeah. 419 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,400 I see where he's coming from. 420 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:10,400 Yeah. 421 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:11,680 But also, like, yikes. 422 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,680 Yeah. 423 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:20,600 Kennewick detective Ken Taylor led the Washington end of the investigation. 424 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:26,960 And he received a death threat by phone the day after the discovery. 425 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:32,400 The message was left by someone clearly using a fake Latino accent. 426 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:33,400 Shoo. 427 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:34,400 Hmm. 428 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:38,640 Pretty offensive. 429 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,840 Honestly, in the end, I will just say that. 430 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,600 That's interesting. 431 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,480 This message was laced with a different kind of bomb. 432 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:59,840 F bombs threatening the life of the detective, which is a bold move, not a smart one, but 433 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,440 it's, that is a choice. 434 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:06,800 Just threatening all around town, damn. 435 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:14,800 Then just two days later, Jack's girlfriend's mom happens to be on the phone with the detective 436 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,000 as she's sorting the family's mail. 437 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:26,760 And suddenly she says, oh my god, which is never a great sign unless it's like, oh my god, 438 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,280 look, someone sent us like a shit load of money. 439 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,320 Oh my god, look at that fruit basket. 440 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:41,120 It was a letter describing the bombing of Barry Hornstein and bearing further threats. 441 00:23:41,120 --> 00:23:46,800 I'm going to read to you a small snippet from this letter. 442 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,200 Okay. 443 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:55,400 This is to let you know that Jack Hornstein is a marked man. 444 00:23:55,400 --> 00:24:00,600 I don't want your daughter to get hurt, but what happens will happen. 445 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:01,600 Geez. 446 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:02,680 Yeah. 447 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:10,400 So, Jack is the real target, but I really don't care if something bad happens to your daughter. 448 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,560 Yeah. 449 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,560 Like ruthless. 450 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:24,040 Following this latest threat, the Hornstein sent Jack to stay with his uncle in Seattle. 451 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:31,880 And unfortunately, his girlfriend's mom forced them to break things off at this point. 452 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:37,120 She said, I am not letting you put your life at risk. 453 00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:41,240 And you and Jack are officially broken up. 454 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:42,640 I mean, that makes sense. 455 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,440 Did they actually break up though? 456 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,320 Can they just be long distance? 457 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:48,720 They were already long distance. 458 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:49,720 Yeah. 459 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:50,720 They're not around each other. 460 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,640 I doubt this person would bomb her if he's not there. 461 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:55,640 If he's the target. 462 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:56,640 If he is the target. 463 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,400 I, you know, overprotective though, I get it. 464 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:05,400 I mean, in this case, I would, I can't even say that this feels like it's overprotective. 465 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:10,920 I feel like probably about the right amount of protective. 466 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:17,960 Of course, Jack told his girlfriend that he was leaving for Seattle. 467 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,400 Oh, okay. 468 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:27,440 Because he missed her and his whole world has revolved around emails and phone calls to her 469 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,800 whenever they're apart. 470 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:36,360 And up to this point, they actually only saw each other, like, once every other month. 471 00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:37,360 Wow. 472 00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:38,360 I know. 473 00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:41,360 Such sweet wholesome high school. 474 00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:44,680 I know. 475 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:51,320 It's just two days later that he receives an email from an address he doesn't know. 476 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:57,440 That seems to indicate the sender is aware of his travel plans. 477 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,440 Interesting. 478 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:06,280 Outside the Hornstein family, Jack's girlfriend was the only person that knew about the plans. 479 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,280 Hmm. 480 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:15,440 That same email address that sent this latest message was sent by one used in the disparaging 481 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,800 campaign against Jack mere weeks ago. 482 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:20,800 The flyers? 483 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:21,800 Yep. 484 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:22,800 Gotcha. 485 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:29,240 His girlfriend's friends began receiving emails with damaging statements about Jack. 486 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,920 Around this time. 487 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:38,800 And the police attempted to track the emails both that Jack and his girlfriend's friends 488 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:47,360 were receiving messages were traced to Emory and Port Orchard, Washington and even Florida 489 00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:48,360 state. 490 00:26:48,360 --> 00:26:50,720 Oh, that's terrifying. 491 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:51,720 Yeah. 492 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,040 What year was this? 493 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,840 Yeah. 494 00:26:54,840 --> 00:27:03,400 It was around this time that the grim reaper, aka William Law, from the PPP, hopped in his 495 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:09,080 car and paid a man up north of visit. 496 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:10,080 Santa? 497 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:11,080 No. 498 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:12,880 Not that far north. 499 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:13,880 Oh, okay. 500 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:14,880 Not quite. 501 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:24,120 Timothy Michael Goff would become a suspect when his credit card was linked to the messages. 502 00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:33,120 He was an organ native in his 40s, having graduated from Malala High School in the late 70s. 503 00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:38,040 He'd been married and had a daughter who was in her early 20s. 504 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:42,680 And he and his wife had built a quarter million dollar home in Spokane. 505 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:43,680 Damn. 506 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,320 Which is a pretty nice house in the early 2000s. 507 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:48,320 Yeah. 508 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:49,320 I want one. 509 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:50,320 I know, right? 510 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,320 Like, all day, like a quarter of a million dollar house right now. 511 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:59,080 I mean, it would basically be a shed, but yeah. 512 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,800 Inflation, am I right? 513 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:07,800 By the time investigators came knocking, he and his wife had separated. 514 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:16,120 He had also relocated to Port Orchard, Washington, which lies in the Puget Sound area very close 515 00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:18,280 to Canada. 516 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,040 Very far north. 517 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:21,560 Very far north. 518 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,280 That's to the north pole. 519 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:26,480 Practically to the north pole. 520 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:27,480 Yeah. 521 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,480 That's why you put the red on. 522 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,480 For saying that. 523 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:32,480 For saying that. 524 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:33,480 Yep. 525 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:38,800 Timothy had found lucrative work as a pipe fitter. 526 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,800 Pipe fitter. 527 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:41,800 Interesting. 528 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:42,800 Yeah. 529 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:47,280 Really interesting job. 530 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,800 You must come across a lot of spare pipes. 531 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:51,800 Actually he does. 532 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:52,800 Yeah. 533 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,600 Got a lot of access to pipes. 534 00:28:55,600 --> 00:29:02,040 Timothy's brother was a Portland city planner, which sounds a lot less interesting than a pipe 535 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,520 fitter. 536 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:09,120 He claimed to have met Jack's girlfriend in an online chat room. 537 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:17,240 One publication said, and I quote, "The bearded, stalky, former Portlander admitted 538 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:22,680 trading emails with her," but said, "That was their only contact." 539 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,000 Was that a lie? 540 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:30,280 I mean, it wasn't the truth. 541 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:35,000 We all know that the truth is better than a lie. 542 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,720 That's a quote. 543 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,720 Don't you forget it. 544 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,120 What's that from? 545 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,720 The Gettysburg address? 546 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:47,840 Apparently, that wasn't the most believable story. 547 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,000 Law enforcement. 548 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,600 They were like, I don't know. 549 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,800 That actually smells like horseshit. 550 00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:01,640 And they were issued a search warrant on site. 551 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,280 They wanted to go in, have a little, little look see around. 552 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,560 And he was like, I think you need a warrant for that. 553 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,960 And they were like, okay, hold my beer. 554 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:10,960 Yeah. 555 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:11,960 Yeah. 556 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,360 I mean, they weren't drinking beer. 557 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:16,360 I don't think so. 558 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:17,360 I don't think so. 559 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,280 I feel like that might make their investigation invalid. 560 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,680 Yeah, I think that would cause some complications. 561 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:23,680 Yeah. 562 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:24,680 Correct. 563 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:29,160 Anyways, once they got inside, a good friend Tim here. 564 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:35,680 He had pipe fitting equipment, which, you know, par for the course for pipe fitter, keeps 565 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,080 him in his briefcase. 566 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:38,080 Yeah. 567 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:45,080 The sophisticated computer set up, though a slightly more damning discovery within his 568 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:53,400 home, was the slip of paper with the Hornstein family's address in his wallet. 569 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:54,400 Huh. 570 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,120 Why would he need that? 571 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:57,560 That's pretty weird. 572 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:58,560 Yeah. 573 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:02,240 Two tapes were located under his bed. 574 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:07,080 And they would prove to be the most disgusting and damning items police would take into 575 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:08,080 evidence. 576 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,080 Tapes? 577 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:10,080 Yep. 578 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,080 Like videotapes. 579 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:12,080 Oh. 580 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,080 Yeah. 581 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,400 That makes me uncomfortable. 582 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,160 It's gonna be real uncomfortable. 583 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,800 If you find it under your bed, it's nothing good. 584 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,920 Historically, no. 585 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,240 No. 586 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:36,640 These were child sex abuse materials that showed him performing sex acts with a minor, with 587 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,080 one in particular. 588 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,640 None other than Jack's girlfriend. 589 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,640 Oh. 590 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,640 Oh. 591 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:54,000 Investigators called, and I'm omitting their names here, because the names that are used 592 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,720 in all of the source material are fake anyway. 593 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:57,720 Oh, okay. 594 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:03,920 Um, Taylor called the girlfriend and her mother into the police station and told the girl 595 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:15,120 that he knew she'd had a AirBunny's relationship with the man they were investigating in connection 596 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:24,720 with the bombing and revealed that he was now their prime suspect in the case. 597 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:33,840 For her part, Jack's girlfriend told police, she'd broken up with him in April 2000, explaining 598 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:41,840 that Tim had stronger feelings for me than I had for him. 599 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,200 Can you see who's like in his 40s or he's like, "Yep. 600 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:52,760 To be clear, this was not a relationship and you can't break up with an abuser in a situation 601 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,440 like this for that very reason. 602 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,000 This is not a breakup. 603 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,040 You were not in a relationship." 604 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,040 Oh. 605 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,040 That's awful. 606 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:10,040 She was 14 when they met. 607 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:14,240 I just want to get out of my skin right now. 608 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:15,240 Yeah. 609 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:16,240 Yeah. 610 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:23,480 Additional evidence was found that linked him to the bombings. 611 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:30,160 Evidence strongly indicating that he was behind the campaign of threats against Jack, as 612 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:35,920 well as the bombs left in Kennewick and Laurel Hurst, obviously. 613 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:42,360 In his wallet, they found that note, but they also found additional notes suggesting that 614 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:49,200 he was tracking not only Jack Hornstein, but his girlfriend and her family. 615 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:50,200 Yeah. 616 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,680 It's pretty deeply unhinged. 617 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,640 So his jealousy is like the root of all of this, basically? 618 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,640 Kind of sounds like it. 619 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,960 What a way to win a woman back, you know? 620 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:03,960 Yeah. 621 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,960 Just blow up her current boyfriend. 622 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:06,960 I'm sorry. 623 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:07,960 I should have said a child. 624 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:08,960 Mm-hmm. 625 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:09,960 Jesus Christ. 626 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:10,960 Yeah. 627 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,520 She is literally a child. 628 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,600 His own daughter was almost a decade older. 629 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:20,600 Yeah. 630 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:21,600 Okay. 631 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:28,600 I'm so glad that you bought me that pin. 632 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:29,600 What? 633 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:30,600 The Minotrash one. 634 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:31,600 Oh, it was like what pin. 635 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:32,600 I'm not. 636 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:33,600 I think about it all the time. 637 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:34,600 The brain isn't working. 638 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:35,600 Yeah. 639 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,600 You should find it and put it out. 640 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:39,600 All right. 641 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,600 You're like, I know right word. 642 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:42,600 Oh, I know. 643 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,600 Hey, listen. 644 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,720 Minotrash all the damn time. 645 00:34:47,720 --> 00:34:51,360 So you got to keep these things out the ready. 646 00:34:51,360 --> 00:35:01,520 The notes that Timothy had sent to a metric, fucked out of people that knew Jack, particularly 647 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:08,520 the ones that were sent to his girlfriend's mom and to Jack's parents. 648 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:13,120 They'd been designed obviously to put a halt to their relationship. 649 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:14,120 Mm-hmm. 650 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:15,880 That makes sense. 651 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,240 One note read. 652 00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:25,960 You would think you could find some nice girl your own age instead of messing around with 653 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:30,200 little girls that don't know better and listen to your lies. 654 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,400 But crazy guy wrote that. 655 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:33,400 Yep. 656 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:40,840 Yeah, because Jack was a whopping two years older than his girlfriend. 657 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:41,840 Yeah. 658 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,840 Pot calling the kettle. 659 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:44,840 Anyone? 660 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:45,840 Like what? 661 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:51,560 I-- how delusional are these fucking people? 662 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:52,560 Yeah. 663 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:53,560 Seriously. 664 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:58,200 I mean, just completely delulu. 665 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:06,360 Later in court, Tim's legal counsel, victim blamed the young girl, because she is literally 666 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:07,360 a child. 667 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:14,400 She's definitely a girl saying that she had seduced him. 668 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:19,040 He was recently separated and going through a midlife crisis. 669 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:24,200 It's just-- oh, I'm-- I'm sorry, sir. 670 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:30,160 You're now a middle-aged fuck up in more than one aspect of life. 671 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:31,160 Well, sure. 672 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:39,360 It's totally reasonable to ease your clearly significant pain by forming a predatory and 673 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:46,360 legally speaking, non-consensual relationship with a child. 674 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:47,360 I just-- 675 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:52,320 Did the poor wires came up with that? 676 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,480 Yeah, they basically were saying, well, I mean, it's all her fault. 677 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:56,880 Did you see what she was wearing? 678 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:01,480 I feel like the judge should just be like, OK, I object. 679 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:02,480 You're done. 680 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:03,480 You're done. 681 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:04,480 It's the fuck down. 682 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,440 I don't know that that was even a part of the courtroom piece of it. 683 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:17,440 This was actually a statement I think that he made to the press, which is somehow kind of 684 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,080 in a way, like almost worse. 685 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:20,080 Yeah. 686 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:21,080 I don't know. 687 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,080 I hate it. 688 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:23,580 I hate it. 689 00:37:23,580 --> 00:37:29,440 So yeah, we'll give you a slap on the wrist for appearances and then get you back on the 690 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,840 field so you can try to recapture the glory days of your youth. 691 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:39,240 And just actually pretty much what happened. 692 00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:52,480 He was sentenced to 26 months in relation to the sexual assault to raping a child. 693 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:57,200 Repeatedly raping a child, he was sentenced to 26 months. 694 00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:01,960 The attempted murder case wasn't going so smoothly by comparison. 695 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:10,120 So, and since I'm not altogether pleased with the legal proceedings for the child sex 696 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:14,600 abuse case in Washington, that's really saying something. 697 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:22,680 A local paper stated interviews as well as a 520 page police file from a parallel out of 698 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:30,000 town investigation of the suspected bomber provide rare insight into a mystery involving 699 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,840 sex, lies, videotape and chat rooms. 700 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:42,120 As well as damning evidence that 12 Portland jurors may never be allowed to see. 701 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,320 Of course not. 702 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:51,000 The evidence taken from his apartment, bomb making information and schematics found on 703 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,200 his computer's hard drive. 704 00:38:54,200 --> 00:39:02,240 Studies of numerous threatening letters as well as the note written in Spanish would prove 705 00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:06,280 a sticky situation for the case. 706 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:13,880 Law enforcement had not specifically listed his computer or hard drive on the search warrant. 707 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:21,560 So they were afraid that they wouldn't be able to use it because they'd found this evidence 708 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,480 while searching for other items. 709 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:32,880 By August of 2003, the trial related to the pipe bombs and his attack on Barry was approaching 710 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,000 in Portland. 711 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:40,920 His attorneys filed a motion to exclude on the grounds that the information had not been 712 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:51,120 legally acquired or it was illegally obtained or obtained in an illegal search and seizure. 713 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:57,280 Given these circumstances, the prosecution must not have liked their odds so they offered 714 00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,600 him a deal. 715 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:04,760 Because basically without any of that evidence that came from his computer hard drive, they 716 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,120 were royally fucked. 717 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,880 Seven ways to Sunday. 718 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:18,040 Though he was charged with attempted aggravated murder, assault, arson and the manufacture and 719 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:25,320 possession of a destructive device in Portland, I think it was a rather generous offer on their 720 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,760 part. 721 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:34,400 The plea deal would require him to plead guilty to two counts of attempted murder, after 722 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:41,040 which the prosecution would agree to dropping the 14 additional charges. 723 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:47,000 2 out of 16. 724 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:55,360 He took the deal, which came with a reduced sentence of 12 years instead of the roughly 20 to 725 00:40:55,360 --> 00:41:02,920 30 additional years that he may have otherwise faced based on the charges. 726 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,840 Barry was glad to put the case behind. 727 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:07,840 Yeah. 728 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,240 How long did you say how long it took? 729 00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:17,400 I mean, this was like a couple of years by the time they got to sentencing and everything. 730 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:22,560 So I mean, these are never a short. 731 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:23,560 Yeah. 732 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:29,280 I mean, this is going to tie up your life for a minute. 733 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:34,600 All while he's trying to heal from a literal amputation and probably has to learn how to walk 734 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:40,000 again and getting prosthetics, which he did. 735 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,800 Which is awesome. 736 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,800 Yeah. 737 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:51,320 Barry had, for the most part, really already started to adjust to his new life. 738 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:56,560 He said he missed walking on the beach, which was really one of the only things that he 739 00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:02,280 couldn't really quite do anymore. 740 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:08,680 But he felt that it was good alternative to dying. 741 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:19,240 Oh, Barry and Kathy were able to reconcile despite the tragic circumstances and trying times 742 00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:22,760 that they had faced. 743 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:28,120 Barry passed away in 2022 at 81 years old. 744 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,960 Wow. 745 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:35,840 And I'll leave you with some of his parting words from one of the mini-docs that I watched 746 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,600 about this case. 747 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,640 My family isn't attacked. 748 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,680 My son wasn't killed. 749 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,920 It could have been him. 750 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,560 I only lost a leg. 751 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,920 It's a pretty cheap price to pay. 752 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,920 A leg to get back your life again with your wife. 753 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:54,920 Wow. 754 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,120 That's crazy. 755 00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:02,760 I was absolutely sobbing just. 756 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:07,520 I'm a bleak friend watching. 757 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:13,720 To be able to go through that and still have that positive mindset, it reminds me of Ralph. 758 00:43:13,720 --> 00:43:17,280 It reminds me of Ralph. 759 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:22,400 I totally thought when you said gambling, this was going to be a mob thing. 760 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:23,400 I know. 761 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,920 They walked into it. 762 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,920 They walked into it. 763 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:31,920 The IRA. 764 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,040 Kind of the wrong continent. 765 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:38,040 Yeah. 766 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:43,480 I do have a few little update and just some where they now. 767 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:51,400 Stuff for the Patreon that it didn't quite fit into kind of our regular episode. 768 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:57,800 But I really wanted to share because, I'm going to cry again when I read that. 769 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:02,840 I'm going to cry again when I read that stuff. 770 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:09,000 If you want to see me cry like a baby again, after we do our tarot, that's, you know where 771 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,280 to find it. 772 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,560 Yeah. 773 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,400 This case was a fucking lot. 774 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,760 It's, yeah. 775 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,920 It's just like so unexpected. 776 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:22,920 Yeah. 777 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,520 So at first you're like, oh, it's Jack's fault. 778 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:27,520 Not like it's his fault. 779 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:28,920 But like he's the target. 780 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,400 You know, like, what did he do? 781 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:32,400 Right. 782 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:36,000 It's like totally like nothing to do with any of his family. 783 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,240 No, not at all. 784 00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:43,480 He didn't do anything for, don't date a girl who got abused. 785 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:44,480 It's crazy. 786 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:45,480 Yeah. 787 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:54,960 And broke up with, broke up with her abuser and then became the target for just, I mean, the 788 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:59,040 most nonsensical and horrific violent attacks. 789 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:07,840 And just how can you imagine as a 17 year old kid, somebody starts emailing all of your peers, 790 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:15,320 telling them to post these fucking horrible defamatory like posters all around town about how 791 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:16,720 you're a rapist. 792 00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:18,920 That's awful. 793 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:24,760 And then they try to kill you, but instead they harm your dad. 794 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:31,680 And I mean, just the, and the mind games of like the fact that he was getting information 795 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,680 from the girlfriend. 796 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:34,680 Yeah. 797 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:39,440 That's how he was able to totally fuck with this whole family's head. 798 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,120 When they were going to send him to Seattle, they were like, oh shit. 799 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:48,160 Like, well, like, like, have we been hacked? 800 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,240 Or like, is it Jack's girlfriend? 801 00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:54,520 Like, you just feel like there's no one you can trust. 802 00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,440 Right? 803 00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:57,440 I can't. 804 00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:02,960 I cannot even wrap my head around with that. 805 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:08,040 It's just, I just, I have no words. 806 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,480 I literally have no words. 807 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,000 This happens a lot. 808 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,000 Yeah. 809 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,240 It's just so gross. 810 00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:16,240 Humans. 811 00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:17,240 Yeah. 812 00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:19,240 You know what would make me feel better? 813 00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:23,920 I think I do, but I want you to say, just, I don't know. 814 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,240 Maybe if we like just did like a little bit of tarot. 815 00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:28,240 Tarot? 816 00:46:28,240 --> 00:46:29,240 Yeah. 817 00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:30,240 What do you guys think? 818 00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:31,240 Wouldn't make you feel better? 819 00:46:31,240 --> 00:46:33,720 I hope so for God's sake. 820 00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:42,960 I mean, we might get an icky card, but all right. 821 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:48,000 As indie podcasters, we love to show our support of other awesome shows. 822 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,880 So stay tuned for the promo we've got to share with you this week. 823 00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,320 Let show them some love. 824 00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,440 You can find their info in our show notes. 825 00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:02,920 This is That's So Fucked Up, a podcast about cult, murder and other fucked up stuff. 826 00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,840 Like really, really fucked up stuff. 827 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:11,320 He tore out her heart, tied it to a rope and hung it on the wall. 828 00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:16,280 Fucking sharks ate Mark under the dinghy. 829 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,320 After his dad dies, he fucking marries all his dad's lives. 830 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:21,320 Oh yeah. 831 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:27,920 I'm your host, Ashley Love Richards. 832 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,040 Find That So Fucked Up, any where you listen to podcasts. 833 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,080 That's Fucked Up. 834 00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,440 You guys were back. 835 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,080 And don't worry, we did get more wine. 836 00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:42,080 Well, of course. 837 00:47:42,080 --> 00:48:00,120 And you went right for the middle two days in a row. 838 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:04,640 King of “Peentacles" reverse. 839 00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:05,640 “Peentacles", huh? 840 00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:06,640 Pentacles. 841 00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,680 Do you want me to read what's on this card? 842 00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:09,680 Yeah. 843 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:10,680 Okay. 844 00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:11,680 Proverbs. 845 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:20,440 Financially inept stubborn greed, indulgence, sensuality. 846 00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:21,440 Hate that. 847 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:22,440 Awful. 848 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,920 Should I read the other things on here? 849 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:26,920 Sure. 850 00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,600 Numerology is 14 and 5. 851 00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,120 What does that mean? 852 00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:32,120 Interesting. 853 00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:33,120 Okay. 854 00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:34,120 King of Pentacles. 855 00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,720 Why would it be 14 and a 5? 856 00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:38,760 We need you to tell us more. 857 00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:40,760 Tell us more. 858 00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,480 Taurus Virgo Capricorn. 859 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:48,760 And then we have Earth is the element. 860 00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,560 Some other symbol I don't know, and it says 4 again. 861 00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:52,560 Okay. 862 00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,080 Oh, where it is. 863 00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:55,080 All right. 864 00:48:55,080 --> 00:49:00,680 I'm going to read you the keywords here from our Hended Andy Book. 865 00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:09,760 Keywords are security, material success, pragmatism, stability, strength, and worldly power. 866 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,360 Flopped. 867 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:16,360 In many decks, this king sits on a throne and plays. 868 00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:17,360 Oh, I'm sorry. 869 00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:18,360 Yeah. 870 00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:19,360 I see. 871 00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,360 See you there. 872 00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,360 It all ties together. 873 00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,360 It all ties together. 874 00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:27,360 Yeah. 875 00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:34,720 In many decks, this king sits on a throne and wears rich garments and a crown. 876 00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:40,400 Because he appears with a bowl, symbol of strength, virility, and tenacity. 877 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,400 You mess with the bowl. 878 00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:43,880 Get the horse. 879 00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,800 No thanks. 880 00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,680 In a reading, he may represent an actual person. 881 00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:58,040 In which case, he's usually a mature man who exercises worldly power and authority. 882 00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:59,840 Probably abuses his power. 883 00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,560 I'm going to say. 884 00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:08,000 When reversed, the king of pentacles indicates sluggish-nish. 885 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,080 Sluggish-nish. 886 00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,680 Delays and/or obstacles to material success. 887 00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,560 I don't know. 888 00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:20,160 12 to 14 years in prison, roughly. 889 00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:21,160 Tim? 890 00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:22,160 Timmy? 891 00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:23,160 Timmy? 892 00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,760 Sometimes it shows low energy or insecurity. 893 00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:27,760 Hmm. 894 00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:29,000 I'm very insecure. 895 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,000 Weird. 896 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,600 You feel stuck, but don't have to drive to get out of your rut. 897 00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,000 You just want to blow other people up. 898 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:38,000 Hmm. 899 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,800 If the card represents, oh my god. 900 00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:48,440 If the card represents an actual person, he may be mercenary, course, dull, witted, or even 901 00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:49,440 corrupt. 902 00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,760 What's mercenary mean? 903 00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,080 I mean, I always think of mercenaries. 904 00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,360 Like, they're like people that get sent in. 905 00:50:56,360 --> 00:51:00,960 It's like black ops and they just, you know, fuck shit up places. 906 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:02,960 You probably fuck some shit up. 907 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,880 I mean, he did fuck to your love, sorry. 908 00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,120 Mercenaries and bombs. 909 00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,640 Like, there you go. 910 00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:13,640 In a reading about money, your finances are stagnant. 911 00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:20,100 You might even incur losses because your stuck in old patterns and have resisted making 912 00:51:20,100 --> 00:51:21,100 changes. 913 00:51:21,100 --> 00:51:22,100 Ooh. 914 00:51:22,100 --> 00:51:26,440 You're worried about money and/or don't handle your resource as well. 915 00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:27,440 Okay, short. 916 00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,440 I mean, what's that about? 917 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:30,440 Very. 918 00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:31,440 Hmm. 919 00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:32,440 Perhaps? 920 00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:33,440 Yeah. 921 00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:38,800 If the reading is about your job, the king reversed may mean your board with your work but 922 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,000 can't find something better. 923 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:46,000 Perhaps you've sacrificed your passion for security. 924 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,240 Or your job may be in jeopardy and you feel insecure. 925 00:51:49,240 --> 00:51:52,200 Just a lot of insecurity. 926 00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:53,200 Hmm. 927 00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:54,200 Interesting. 928 00:51:54,200 --> 00:52:00,000 In a reading about love, a relationship may offer stability, but little excitement 929 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:06,080 or romance, routine or responsibility may drain your vitality. 930 00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:10,200 Perhaps you feel stuck in a relationship for financial reasons. 931 00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:15,280 That makes me think of like, I'm thinking of specifically what they were saying about 932 00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:16,280 him. 933 00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:20,480 He's having a midlife crisis, you know, so he just had to fuck a teenager. 934 00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:21,480 Yeah. 935 00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,480 Which is so gross. 936 00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:25,480 No. 937 00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:26,480 I just. 938 00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:27,480 I can't. 939 00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,320 Like, I get it. 940 00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,240 It's your job to defend this man. 941 00:52:31,240 --> 00:52:38,080 But like, you go get a motorcycle and crash it like every other middle aged white man. 942 00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:39,080 Seriously. 943 00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:40,840 Do you have to put it like that? 944 00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:44,800 I mean, the actual quote was so much grosser. 945 00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,480 It goes on and it is gnarly. 946 00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,000 It is so gross. 947 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:52,000 Yeah. 948 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,000 Yeah. 949 00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,520 I was like, I, nope. 950 00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,040 Thank you for not reading it all. 951 00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,360 Yeah, I didn't think I could physically. 952 00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:07,280 I felt that that was at the outer limits of, you can find it in the source material. 953 00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:08,280 Yeah. 954 00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:09,280 You go to that. 955 00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:10,280 I'm not going to do that. 956 00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:13,760 I'm disturbed enough. 957 00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:14,760 Yes. 958 00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:15,760 Wow. 959 00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:16,760 Yeah. 960 00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:20,240 I feel like this one's calling to me. 961 00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:21,240 Is it calling to you? 962 00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:22,760 I mean, it's sticking out. 963 00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:23,760 Yeah. 964 00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:24,760 Get her. 965 00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:25,760 Get her. 966 00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,240 It's the full. 967 00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:29,240 That's why. 968 00:53:29,240 --> 00:53:30,840 Oh, get me. 969 00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:31,840 Oh, weird. 970 00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,680 Your card was calling to you. 971 00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,920 Why would it not be? 972 00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:37,920 But it's interesting. 973 00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:38,920 It wasn't reversed. 974 00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:40,840 So that seems like it could fit. 975 00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:41,840 Let me see. 976 00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:42,840 The fee will. 977 00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:43,840 That fee. 978 00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:51,280 Navite, lack of direction, chaos, recklessness, stupidity. 979 00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:56,520 I mean, do I need to read the full interpretation of this point? 980 00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:57,520 No. 981 00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,960 I mean, I don't think you do, but there's some fun stuff in there, maybe. 982 00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:01,960 Yeah. 983 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:02,460 OK. 984 00:54:02,460 --> 00:54:10,200 So in the reverse, if the fool is reversed, you may feel restless and bored, eager to try something 985 00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:14,440 new, but now it's probably not the right time to act. 986 00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,040 Probably never. 987 00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:22,760 I think of this as the don't quit your day job card. 988 00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:23,760 This works. 989 00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,520 Oh, my God. 990 00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,520 Oh, my God. 991 00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:31,560 It's all about like very bad decisions being kind of similar. 992 00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:32,560 Yeah. 993 00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,400 Don't do this hastily. 994 00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,400 Gather information. 995 00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:37,400 Oh, boy. 996 00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:38,400 OK. 997 00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:45,280 In a reading about love, this card can warn you to look more closely at a partner or relationship. 998 00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:51,160 Things may not be where you think the reverse fool may also indicate the end of a relationship 999 00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,720 and greater freedom as a result. 1000 00:54:53,720 --> 00:54:54,720 Yeah. 1001 00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:55,720 Take the freedom. 1002 00:54:55,720 --> 00:54:58,200 Like, leave this kid alone. 1003 00:54:58,200 --> 00:54:59,200 Yeah. 1004 00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:00,520 Or, oh, my God. 1005 00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:01,520 So many things. 1006 00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:07,840 Think before you act, however, for you might regret a breakup undertaken hastily or I 1007 00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:12,200 don't know, the revenge you take as a result of a breakup. 1008 00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:17,880 It's funny that it says that it really is. 1009 00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:18,880 Yeah. 1010 00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:23,280 I mean, I mean, it's the epitome of stupidity. 1011 00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,120 Oh, I like that. 1012 00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:26,920 I should put it on a t-shirt. 1013 00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,160 Yeah, you really should. 1014 00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:35,240 If you loved listening to that Tiro read and want to see it, become a member of our Patreon 1015 00:55:35,240 --> 00:55:40,800 where a video of every Tiro reading is uploaded with the ad-free version of the episode 1016 00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,800 each week. 1017 00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:46,920 This week in particular, there's going to be some other fun spoilers. 1018 00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:47,920 Not really spoilers. 1019 00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,640 It's more of a, where are they now? 1020 00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,960 I'm so excited to see you cry again. 1021 00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:53,960 Yay. 1022 00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:54,960 Yay. 1023 00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,520 You're going to cry too. 1024 00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:58,520 I know. 1025 00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,240 I almost did this time, but I like held it back pretty good. 1026 00:56:01,240 --> 00:56:02,240 Yeah. 1027 00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:05,680 No, it's all going to be like kind of like that. 1028 00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:06,680 Happy cry. 1029 00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:07,880 Oh, I'm going to get you. 1030 00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:08,880 Like with Ralphie. 1031 00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:09,880 Yeah. 1032 00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:10,880 Kind of. 1033 00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:11,880 Ralphie June. 1034 00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:12,880 Ralphie June. 1035 00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:19,600 If you can't support us monetarily, no worries, because the easiest ways to support, they're 1036 00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,440 actually absolutely free. 1037 00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:28,960 Like you can tell everyone, anyone, all of the people that you ever, ever, ever see, anyone 1038 00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:33,800 that you come into contact with about us, which would be great. 1039 00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:39,360 And while you're at it, leave us a five star review on any platform you can. 1040 00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,280 But also Apple, because they're kind of the boss. 1041 00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:43,280 Yeah. 1042 00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:47,640 But also on that note, don't tell any creepy ex-boyfriends about us. 1043 00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:48,640 Oh, yeah. 1044 00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:49,640 That's great. 1045 00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:50,640 Yeah. 1046 00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:51,640 Even if you come across them, like don't tell those people. 1047 00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:52,840 Yeah, just do us a solid. 1048 00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:53,840 Yeah. 1049 00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:58,360 And if you have any true crime, paranormal, or witchy stories to submit for our listener 1050 00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:04,280 appreciation episodes, we call them the creepy people chronicles, because we just like 1051 00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:05,280 those words together. 1052 00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:06,280 We do. 1053 00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:07,280 It's so much fun. 1054 00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:08,280 It's a cup. 1055 00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:09,280 Yeah. 1056 00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:20,480 Please email them to us at pnwhauntsandhomicides@gmail.com, or you can use our handy dandy little link 1057 00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,280 to the Google contact form in the episode description. 1058 00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:24,280 Yeah. 1059 00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:28,280 We've made it really difficult for you to somehow miss. 1060 00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:29,280 Yeah. 1061 00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:30,280 And we do need more stories. 1062 00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,920 So like, yeah, send them in. 1063 00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,120 Just like whenever you're ready. 1064 00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:36,120 Preferably now. 1065 00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:40,120 We do want to hear them and we want to read them, but if you don't want us to read them, 1066 00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:41,120 let us know. 1067 00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:50,520 We'll still read your stories to ourselves, but if you don't want them public, that's fine. 1068 00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:55,920 Or we can change names, because you can always remain anonymous. 1069 00:57:55,920 --> 00:58:01,160 And remember, they don't have to be from the Pacific Northwest if you want to share. 1070 00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:06,820 And then we can just read your stories from wherever the fuck all of the creepy, creepy, creepy 1071 00:58:06,820 --> 00:58:09,160 shit is happening around you. 1072 00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:10,160 Yeah. 1073 00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:13,160 I really want some like Ireland stories, you know? 1074 00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:18,920 I've just been thinking about it a lot, and I just want some good, creepy stories from Ireland. 1075 00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:20,920 So send them. 1076 00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:21,920 Yeah. 1077 00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:28,280 I just keep thinking that I used to tell people all of these like far thrown places that 1078 00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:35,120 I wanted to have stories from and now I'm like, what if I want to go there on my honeymoon? 1079 00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,880 I haven't decided yet. 1080 00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:43,400 So okay, well, don't send any stories about any honeymoon destinations until after Caitlin 1081 00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:44,400 goes on her. 1082 00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:45,400 Yeah. 1083 00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:47,800 Bad news about that. 1084 00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:55,040 I've actually found multiple super murdery wedding/honeymoon stories. 1085 00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:58,800 And I'm going to work on at least one of them. 1086 00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:00,560 Why would you do that to yourself? 1087 00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,280 Because I am a sadist. 1088 00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:03,280 Oh my god. 1089 00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:04,280 I guess. 1090 00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:05,280 I don't know. 1091 00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,560 Is that sadist or am I a masochist or? 1092 00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:10,120 I am unwell. 1093 00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:11,120 She is. 1094 00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:12,120 Yes. 1095 00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:18,200 And if you want to see us both be very unwell, you can follow us on all the socials. 1096 00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,840 That's the number one place to see it. 1097 00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:22,680 We have TikToks. 1098 00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:23,680 We have Instagrams. @pnwhauntshomicidespod 1099 00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:27,800 We've got the Facebooks, the tweeters, all of it. 1100 00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:28,800 So follow us there. 1101 00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:29,800 You can see it. 1102 00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:30,800 Right. 1103 00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:31,800 Yeah. 1104 00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:32,800 Right. 1105 00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,280 Wait, is it on Instagram? 1106 00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,680 It's basically Instagram. 1107 00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:39,800 It's like the tweeters of Instagram. 1108 00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:40,800 I just ignore it. 1109 00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:41,960 It's all confusing to me. 1110 00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:43,320 Yeah, I know. 1111 00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:47,960 You can find our link tree or our website with links to all of those things. www.pnwhauntsandhomicides.com 1112 00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,000 Have a creepy ass day. 1113 00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:51,000 Have a creepy ass day. 1114 00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,000 See you next Tuesday. 1115 00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:54,000 Bye. 1116 00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:59,080 Unless you're out fucking pipe bombing people. 1117 00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:00,080 Like it. 1118 01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:05,920 Just don't even just don't just don't and if someone breaks up with you, take the fucking 1119 01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:06,920 hit. 1120 01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:09,680 Yeah, maybe it means they don't like you. 1121 01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,320 They're just they're just not that into you, you know? 1122 01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:13,320 Yeah. 1123 01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:14,320 Watch that movie. 1124 01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:15,320 Yeah. 1125 01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:16,320 It's great. 1126 01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:17,320 Yeah. 1127 01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:22,320 I mean, it kind of makes sense because like when you're dating a 14 year old, they just, 1128 01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,600 you know, the attention span can be a little lacking. 1129 01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:26,600 Yeah. 1130 01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:27,600 Yeah. 1131 01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:28,600 Yeah. 1132 01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:29,600 Okay. 1133 01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:30,600 We got to go. 1134 01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:31,600 Yeah. 1135 01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:32,600 Definitely. 1136 01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:33,600 Okay. 1137 01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:34,600 Bye. 1138 01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:35,600 Bye. 1139 01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:36,600 Bye. 1140 01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:37,600 Hi. 1141 01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:38,600 Hi. 1142 01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:39,600 It's the lore. 1143 01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:40,600 I need to be a pipe. 1144 01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:41,600 You say a pipe cleaner? 1145 01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:42,600 Pipe and fitter. 1146 01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:43,600 It's a pipe cleaner. 1147 01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:44,600 Yeah. 1148 01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:45,600 I need to be a pipe. 1149 01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:46,600 I need to be a pipe cleaner. 1150 01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:47,600 I need to be a pipe cleaner. 1151 01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:48,600 I need to be a pipe cleaner. 1152 01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:49,600 I need to be a pipe cleaner. 1153 01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:50,600 I need to be a pipe cleaner. 1154 01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:51,600 I need to be a pipe cleaner. 1155 01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:52,600 I need to be a pipe cleaner. 1156 01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:53,600 I need to be a pipe cleaner. 1157 01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:54,600 I need to be a pipe cleaner. 1158 01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:55,600 I need to be a pipe cleaner. 1159 01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:56,600 I need to be a pipe cleaner. 1160 01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:57,600 I need to be a pipe cleaner. 1161 01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:58,600 I need to be a pipe cleaner. 1162 01:00:58,600 --> 01:00:59,600 I need to be a pipe cleaner. 1163 01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:00,600 I need to be a pipe cleaner. 1164 01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:01,600 I need to be a pipe fitter. 1165 01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:02,600 I need to be a pipe fitter. 1166 01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:03,600 I need to be a pipe fitter. 1167 01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:04,600 I need to be a pipe fitter. 1168 01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:05,600 I need to be a pipe fitter. 1169 01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:06,600 I need to be a pipe fitter. 1170 01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:07,600 I need to be a pipe fitter. 1171 01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:08,600 I need to be a pipe fitter. 1172 01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:09,600 I need to be a pipe fitter. 1173 01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:10,600 I need to be a pipe fitter. 1174 01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:11,600 I need to be a pipe fitter.
