April 22, 2025

The Cliff House Curse: Ghosts, Shipwrecks, & Fiery History in San Francisco

The Cliff House Curse: Ghosts, Shipwrecks, & Fiery History in San Francisco

Remember https://www.pnwhauntsandhomicides.com/the-bizarre-tale-of-jake-the-alligator-man/? Turns out his bizarre backstory might be tangled up with one of San Francisco’s most mysterious landmarks — The Cliff House. In this episode, we dig into the...

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Remember Jake the Alligator Man? Turns out his bizarre backstory might be tangled up with one of San Francisco’s most mysterious landmarks — The Cliff House. In this episode, we dig into the cursed history of this seaside icon: from explosive shipwrecks and devastating fires to ghostly apparitions, secret tunnels, and maybe even a mummy curse (?!).

We’ll explore how The Cliff House rose, burned, rose again (multiple times) and how the Land’s End area had everything from seedy roadhouses to Victorian castles, extravagant bathhouses, amusement parks, taxidermied sea lions, forgotten cemeteries, and yes — Egyptian artifacts. We dive into the tale of Adolph Sutro, his cliffside empire, the ruins of Sutro Baths, and the eerie hauntings that still chill this foggy coastline.

Is the area cursed by misplaced relics? Haunted by forgotten souls? Or just steeped in really bad luck? If you love lost history, ghost stories, and a healthy dose of weird… this one’s for you.

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Another cliffhouse burnt down.

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I know, how do you align a castle to the ground.

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Things weren't fireproof, yeah, I know, a lot of things

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burned back then.

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Yeah. Well, and everything was flamable. Everything was like on

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the verge of explosion constantly.

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It seems like kind of ironic though, because it is

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like right by the water.

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Yeah, so you don't picture that being its demise?

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Yeah. Hi, Caitlin, Hi, Cassie. Hi, creepy people. Hello, Hey,

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are you new to our creepy corner of the world?

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Me?

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I was talking to the general public. Okay, well, if

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you are, this is PNW Hanson Homicides. We very chat

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about true crime, the paranormal, and all things spooky and

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creepy in the Pacific Northwest. I was going to say,

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where we're soups preatheh. I almost added the and history

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at the end of that.

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I knew that was going to happen. One of us

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was going to like do something weird there. Yeah, speaking

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of weird, are you weird? Yeah? No, I was trying

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to segue into my thing that you insist on. I

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you know that I say every time, Okay, I'll be quietly.

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I couldn't I couldn't get there. I couldn't. I couldn't

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make it happen. CA I'll let you get there. It

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was fetch and it wasn't there. It's pan w If

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you're nasty, well.

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You know what else is kind of nasty? We do

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a terror reading, I think all of every episode for

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a little deeper insight into our topic. And it's not

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really nasty, but could be, could be. I mean I

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feel like, kind of just like the word weird, we're nasty.

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It was like kind of a good thing, you know, Yeah,

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it can be, So let's be nasty. Okay, Hey, do

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you guys remember something else nasty that we just talked about.

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It was a little a little man named Jake. Jake

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Jake the alligator man. You remember him. He was nasty.

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So do you remember in that episode where I kind

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of like hinted about the cliff House in San Francisco,

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which is where Jake is supposedly from. Yeah, and I said,

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I might like talk about it in the future.

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Well, today it's the future. We have arrived to the future.

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We are in the future, back to the future. So

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that's what we're talking about today. We're going to San Francisco.

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We're going to the cliff house.

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And actually there have been several different cliff houses in

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the same location. Oh, and this is the start of

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where I was like looking this up and I was like, oh,

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there's a lot of tea here. We got to save

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this for its own episode.

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I like that.

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And there's actually some debate on how many cliffhouses there were. Oh,

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they say like three to six. I think the general

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consensus is three, but we'll talk about it.

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But I do want to read you a.

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Qouch from outside lands dot org and it says, quote,

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it all comes down to how one defines structure and

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at what point does it change so completely that it

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becomes a totally different building.

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I feel like what that reminds me of is it

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depends on what the definition.

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Of is is? Yeah, what is the definition of is?

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I mean just semantical nonsense. Really, I feel I don't

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know what is is ing? Is ing? Is? Is I is?

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My brain hurts. Yeah, Well, let's get back to the episode.

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Oh okay, yeah, right, so we're gonna get started. We're

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going to talk about all the different buildings that have

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been in this location. Some people argue that a roadhouse

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from eighteen fifty eight in a different location with a

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different name is the very first cliff house. And yeah,

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it's not in the same location, completely different name, But

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I think some people think that it counts because it

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was called a seal Rock House and the cliff House

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overlooks seal Rocks, which is about a quarter mile away

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from where the seal Rock House was.

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Okay, I just feel like at a certain point, are like,

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where's your tinfoil hat? Yeah, a little bit. I don't know.

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I don't I really don't know. I don't think this

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place is like even on a cliff. I'm really not sure. Okay,

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So I think the census is that it doesn't count.

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But one of the.

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Actual cliffhouses did have a large kneon sign that declared

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since eighteen fifty eight, So that's confusing.

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Right, Okay, Okay.

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But it was not in that location. So hmm, there's

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a great debate. Yeah, I would argue there's maybe there

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is debate. I don't know how great it is.

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A great debate of what is it? Wait?

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Wait, the great debate of eighteen fifty eight. So the

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real original Cliffhouse was built in eighteen sixty three in

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a new development in San Francisco called Land's End, which

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like sounds super magical. Yeah, it was built as a

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resort for the wealthy, of course, and yes it's on

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an actual cliff.

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Okay. Yeah.

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It wasn't very big or easy to get to, so

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it was considered very exclusive. Therefore, it was very popular,

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especially with the elite families of the era, like of course,

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like the Hearsts, the Stanford's, and the Crockers. Wow, which

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all sound familiar. Yeah, but I did not look them up,

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so I don't exactly know why they sound familiar.

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Well, we're talking about the Hearst California familiar to me. Yeah,

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Stansford's like the restaurant, Crocker, or like the college. Oh right,

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I'm like, like the restaurant Stanford. I don't even know

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if Stanford's the restaurant is in California.

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I don't know when I originally was looking like I

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thought about the college.

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I don't know why. I just said that I'm hungry.

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I know me too, And then Crocker I was like, yeah,

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Betty Crocker obviously, so yeah, but I didn't go into

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like the history of the families. But I have a

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picture for you, Okay, so this is the first cliff

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Hounds and it is right on a cliff.

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Oh that's really beautiful. Well you just wait, this isn't

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even this isn't even the half of it. So five

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years later they expanded to four times its original size,

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leaving just a small portion of the building of the

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original building exposed. So this is kind of where some

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of that debate comes in, as like how much of

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the original is actually left? Does it count as the origin?

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Yeah, but yeah, I think it's Greek mythology. There's like

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the ship that has been rebuilt time and I won't

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be able to remember the name of it for the

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life of me, right, but it like was repaired, repaired, repaired,

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and eventually it's like all.

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Of the original parts are gone exactly. It's kind of

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just a replica at that point.

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M hm.

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So I will send you another picture of the expanded version.

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You know, I love a ual. I know there's a

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lot there.

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There's eighteen photos in this so yeah, there you can

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see like a better view of it right on the cliff.

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Okay, Yeah, so that it's hard to tell just because

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of how the house is positioned in each of these photos.

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It's very different perspective, so it's hard to tell, but

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the second one does look quite a bit larger.

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Yeah, and the yeah, this one, I I didn't like

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search a ton for like original photos, but obviously back

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then there's not going to be like a ton of photos.

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But as we get going, there's more and more photos,

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different views of of the different houses that were there.

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But I love that one where you can see like

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the seal rocks.

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Yeah, that is beautiful. I said it already, but you

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just fucking wait, dude, you just wait. I'm so excited. Okay.

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In the eighteen seventies, the Cliff House started offering gambling

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and alcohol scandal, I know, and it became so shabby

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and unrespectable. That's not what I said. That was a

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direct quote from the article. Well, of course you.

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Would never make you would never levy such an accusation.

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I don't think gambling and alcohol or shabby and unrespectable.

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But apparently it drew in just a different crowd riff raff. Yeah,

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it was not like the family, the elite family crowd anymore.

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Yeah, I think gambling, yeah, maybe more so than And

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maybe that's just my that's like kind of my own perception.

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But I feel like, to me, gambling has more of

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a negative connotation than than you know, alcohol.

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Yeah, right, And obviously, you know, in eighteen eighty one,

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the Cliff House would get a new owner, and I

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didn't really talk about the original owners, but we're gonna

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go ahead and talk about the second owner because it's

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very interesting. His name was a Off Sutro. He was

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a Jewish German born inventor, came to America and became

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a millionaire from mining silver in Nevada.

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Whoa really interesting background, like a very like a lot

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of different things going on.

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Yeah, and then he came to San Francisco to become

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an entrepreneur, real estate developer, and eventually the mayor.

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Oh wow, so like this guy's like, I mean, kind

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of a big.

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Deal, kind of you know, he wanted to re establish

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the Cliff House as a family friendly place, so he remodeled,

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he got new staff, and he started building a railroad

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to make it easier to.

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Get to Oh well, you know, as one does.

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If you want people to come, you got to make

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it make it easy for them, right.

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That's why we're going to plan to build a railroad

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right outside the pod lab because you know, from my

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house to yours, right, if you build it, they will come. Yeah. Yeah,

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I would love to just like get on a train

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and come to your house. Will that be incredible? I

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have to drive through all the stupid traffic.

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Oh I can just well, I was like, I already

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I could just drink my Starbucks on the way there,

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but I already do that anyway.

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Yeah, yeah, they can't slow you down that much. But

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maybe they would have a bar.

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Maybe I could just get a get pregame and on

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my way here pre funk at like eleven am in

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eighteen eighty three, there was a mini castle like addition

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to the structure that he made. And there's maybe some

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foreshadowing with that.

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Wait, foreshadowing foreshadowing, doesn't that mean like yeah, it's like

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what's to come? I know, but like foreshadowing what like

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you don't know yet castle stuff?

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Like what about castle kind of castle stuff? Like Okay,

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you have to wait, I'll tell you eventual, we'll get there.

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That's the point of foreshadowing. You're not supposed to know

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until you get there, and you'll be like, oh, I

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made a face that I looked at and said, that

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is a face that you would say, like I hope

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it sticks that way, you know what I mean? You

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made a face. Yeah, I have to go back and

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look at it. Yeah, I was like to you, and

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I was like, oh my god, that's a face where

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moms say like, careful, you don't want your face to

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stick that way.

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That can be like the screenshop we use for the thumbnail.

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The cliff House would encounter some bad luck in eighteen

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eighty seven, a ninety eight foot schooner heading to Astoria, Oregon,

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loaded with kerosene, a cask of dynamite caps and about

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forty two tons.

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Of black powder. Oh my fuck, that's the correct reaction.

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Oh shit, this ends so poorly. There's no way this ends. Well. Well,

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I'll tell you about it.

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So it hit the rocks right next to the Cliffhouse.

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The crew did abandoned ship, so they all got affoard.

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It was completely an abandoned ship, okay, and a crowd

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who was naturally gawking at the wreckage. They had left

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because I don't know if everyone heard like what was

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in the boat or not, but everyone was watching. And

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then they all left except for two men who were

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still watching from the cliff's edge, continuously being battered against

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the rocks. The ship fucking exploded like it exploded.

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Hey what Okay, I just have to act okay, and

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you sorry. You can say that again if I cut

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you off in a weird spot. Okay. So did the

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ship crash down in like the rocky little island things

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that you see down in the water, like below the house.

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I think so, because it was like right below the cliff. Okay,

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So it didn't like crash into the cliff. I was

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like just from like a.

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Yeah, I think it crashed into the rocks. Okay, okay, yeah,

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So the ship exploded, shooting a wall of flames and

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debris up the cliff. So it was close to the cliff.

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It catapulted those two men backward two hundred feet and

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it was said that you could hear this blast in

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San Jose, which is almost forty two miles away as

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the crow flies.

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Oh my god.

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Both men survived, not the fuck they did not they

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stop it had some serious injuries, but both of them

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thankfully survived. The cliff house was hit the worst, destroying

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the north wing, blowing out windows, blowing doors off, hinges,

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and collapsing balconies.

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Oh no, and.

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Some nearby houses were also nearly torn apart. This is crazy,

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that is insane. But Sutro had everything repaired and returned

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to business as usual.

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Well, I mean sure eventually yeah, yeah, okay, until Christmas

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Day of eighteen ninety four, when a fire completely destroyed

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the original Cliffhouse. Okay, you guys, I'm starting to get like,

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I don't know, a little little bit of a bad

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vibe from this place. I don't know. It doesn't give

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me like a bad vibe, but something, I mean, there's

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all it keeps going. Okay, it keeps going. I'm just saying,

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it seems like something doesn't want it there, right. I know,

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the rocks are like bitch, flowing shit up and then

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it catches fire and burns down seriously.

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But Sutro, he would not be stopped. He soon had

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plans for a new Cliff House. I mean, he's a millionaire, Okay,

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he's like, come on, yeah. Two years later he would

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open a Victorian Gingerbread style eight story tall castle like hotel,

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dick Cliffe House, complete with turrets, spires in an observation tower.

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And this new bill would only cost him seventy five

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thousand dollars, which back then was two million eight hundred

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and thirty six thousand, three hundred and forty eight dollars

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and twenty one cents.

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I love how everything just like costs basically a nickel,

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yeah right, I know.

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And also just for contacts. One million dollars back then

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is like thirty nine million now, so he was like

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a thirty nine millionaire.

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Yeah you know. Yeah, so like he was doing pretty

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okay ish, pretty pretty good.

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Yeah, okay, okay, So I'm going to send you two

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photos of this.

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New Victorian gingerbread on a cliff. You're so mean, because

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I feel like this is going to make this is

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going to hurt me.

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It's so fucking cool, Like I can't, I cannot get

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over how cool this thing looks.

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Oh my god, it has like a very Bavarian vibe

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to it as well. I feel Jesus Christ, isn't this

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so cool? Literally looks like one of those European castles

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that's just like nestled into like this side of a cliff.

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Oh my god, I know.

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I'm even opening the pictures to look at it again,

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even though I've looked at them like a million times.

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I love the one of all the people on the

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beach because you can kind of see just like how

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it's kind of like it looks kind of precariously positioned

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on the cliff.

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Well of that, yeah, I feel like that's foreshadowing, not

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not what you think. Okay, yeah, oh my god, all

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of the people with the horse drawn carriages in that

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second one, again very Bavarian vibe. Yeah, okay, this is

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like to look at this, like the texture and everything,

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like it looks very much like a photo. But then

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the castle itself looks like it's hand sketched into a

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flat does kind of.

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But that second one, yeah, it doesn't even look real.

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It's so fucking cool. It had multiple dining areas, dancing

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and entertainment parlors, bars and art gallery, a gem exhibit,

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a photo gallery, panoramic views from large windows and open

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air varandas gorge. And in the midst in the mid

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mist mist, I mean the San Francisco.

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There's the miss coastal coastal castle. Yes, sorry anyways, yes,

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coastal castle. I want one, maybe not on a cliff. Yeah,

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that's kind of scary.

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In the midst of all of this, Sutro was also

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building Sutro baths north of the cliff house.

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He also had a neighborhood, Sutro Heights. Oh yeah, okay.

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I know I didn't really add that. I just kind

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of threw that in. But back back to the Sutro Baths,

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a three acre public bathhouse with six saltwater swimming tanks

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of varying sizes, shapes, and water temperatures. It had slides, trapees,

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and diving boards and accommodated ten thousand people.

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Holy fucking shit, it was huge. I thought this was

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supposed to be safe exclusive. Well not anymore, not the bathhouse. Yeah,

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not anymore.

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Okay, Ever, since Sutro took it up, he really wanted

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like an environment where a ton of people could come,

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and he made the bath houses like for kind of

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the locals too, so they can have somewhere to swim

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and have fun.

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And yeah, yeah, I mean, you can only take so

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much of the wealthiest money. You know. If you open

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it up for larger consumption, broader consumption, just you know,

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then maybe you could be like, you know, double your

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money and instead of one million dollars equal to thirty

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nine million dollars, it could be like a double millionaire

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and you could have seventy eight billion thirty nine plus

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thirty nine. Dude, It's it's just insane to think about,

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like the numbers, you know, when you do the conversions.

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I find that so intriguing. I do, Yeah, I do.

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Yeah, That's why I always look it up, because it's

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especially when you're going back this par like the eighteen hundreds, like.

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Yeah, there's just no like context for unless you do

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the conversion. It's just okay, change I mind here.

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I had one photo of the bathhouses, but I found

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a website earlier that showed like a shit ton of

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photos and this one just like doesn't do it justice.

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So I have to send you this website. Okay. We

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have buildings in a couple of downtown industrial areas in

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Portland and in Oregon City that look very similar to

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this photo. It does look very industrial, like it's housing

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grain or something. Yeah yeah, or greenhouses. Ooh yeah, it

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does kind of look like a greenhouse a little bit.

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I think once you see kind of the inside, it

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does have like greenhouse vibes.

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I think that was on purpose. Oh yeah, oh my gosh,

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oh yeah, oh my god. The slide there I like

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piled up like five people deep. Yeah, so funny. I

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just can't get enough of looking at it. It's so cool.

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They have like a boat in the middle of one

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of the photos. It looks like they're like rowing a

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canoe or something in the water.

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I don't think i've seen that one yet, but yeah,

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it does look like they must have had some kind

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of little like I don't know, just sort of like

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casual it's like outside of the water, sort of like

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mingling spaces that. Like, they have so much greenery, it's

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really beautiful. There was like this stadium style seating up

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in parts of it. Like it's it's so huge. I

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think it's hard to capture all of it. Three acres,

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ten thousand people. Yeah, no, I mean when you said

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three acres, I was like, ugh, it's giving Grand Lodge

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or like Great Wolf Lodge or well, I don't know

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you I just because the swimming pool. Yeah yeah, yeah, Okay,

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So don't look at any more of the photos, but

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I want to close. So just two years after Sutro

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built this gorgeous Victorian ginger red Castle Palace oasis, he

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passed away no in eighteen ninety eight and his properties

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went to his daughter, Emma. Do we like her? I

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think so?

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I think I like Emma. I'm not one hundred percent.

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I mean, I don't know. I don't know Emma's life,

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but yeah, that's fair. This cliff house would survive an

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earthquake in nineteen oh six, which is pretty impressive because

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I don't think there was a lot of earthquake proof

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things back then.

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No, can't imagine there would be.

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But the next year it would not survive a fire. Yeah,

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another cliff house burnt down.

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Ah.

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Yeah, this gorgeous building was only there eleven years. I know,

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a castle to the ground. Things weren't things weren't fireproof. Yeah, No,

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a lot of things burnt back then.

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Yeah. Well, and everything was. I mean everything was flammable.

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Everything was like on the verge of explosion constantly.

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It seems like kind of ironic though, because it is

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like right by the water.

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Yeah, so you don't picture that being its demise.

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Yeah, yeah, but it happened again. No, it will live

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on in infamy though. On the cover of Blue Oyster

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Cults nineteen eighty eight rock album Imagine Ose.

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Stop it what I have a photo for you. It's

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a really cool album cover, Like I kind of want

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it on my wall. Wow, I'm not cool. It's so

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it looks so spooky like they I don't know if they.

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I assume they added like the clouds and lightning, but

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I don't know. Maybe it was just like a stormy day.

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That doesn't look like lightning to me. That's Oh, it's

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just like like a it's like a puffy clouds. Yeah,

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it's like shadows stuff, which is eerie in a different way,

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but like so cool.

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But Emma decided to rebuild the Cliffhouse once again.

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Oh okay, so you know, a.

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New concrete neo classical style building opened in nineteen oh nine,

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so they only freaking fly through building these buildings like

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it does not take long.

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Which I feel like may speak to why they keep

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having to rebuild.

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Right, right, But at least this one's in concrete this time,

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so hopefully it's a little more flammable proof flame flame proof.

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Flame, yeah, flameproof, or yeah, combustion proof something. Listen.

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But in case you didn't know what neo classical style was,

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because I really didn't, it's columns, simple geometric forms, a

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grand scale, and ornamental details.

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I have a photo for you. I could be totally wrong,

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but this almost looks more to me like what I

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would think of as like being like mission style, and

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I might be a total tater tot. I don't know.

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Now I need to know what mission style because I

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don't know.

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All the articles told me neo classical, so I'm not

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an architecture major.

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The mission style has more of almost a Spanish looking flare. Yeah,

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this like the neo classical looks more like I don't know, anglicized. Yeah. Yeah,

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but it has like a very similar vibe in a way.

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It's cool looking in nineteen thirty six, which is so

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this was built in nineteen oh nine, so you know,

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kind of like thirty years later. The Whitney brothers, who

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owned Playland at the beach An Amusement Park from nineteen

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twenty to nineteen seventy two. Oh wow, they bought the

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Cliff House in nineteen thirty six. I said that, okay,

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and turned it from elegant dining and entertainment to an

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upscale roadhouse. I don't really know what that means, but

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that's what they said, and they did remodel it several times.

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But I will roadhouse, right. I don't really know what

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that means either. I don't know. I want to show

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you a photo of the playhouse or what playland at

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the beach. That kind of sounds like a coastal sex club.

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I'm not gonna lie.

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It was an amusement park, but it was very you know,

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Potato potato, you know, it was a very nineteen twenties

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amusement park. Creepy clowns, Oh my god.

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They're right right in the The big photo they have

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on their on this article is just like this bighead

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of a creepy clown and shish kabob sandwiches for ninety

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nine cents? What the fuck is a shish kabobs sand

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in which I hope you take the stick out. I

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don't know, maybe a point. Maybe it's bob.

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Like because we can't. Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

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Everything's ninety nine cents. That seems like a lot for

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back then. Well, this is clearly not a photo from

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nineteen thirty six. Yeah, right, have been like in the seventies. Yeah, yeah,

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that feels a little bit more timely. Yeah yeah, Oh okay,

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So we have some photos of the cliff House. Gimme,

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kim me, gimme. It looks like pipe place.

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This is the nineteen thirty seven one. So it did

465
00:28:46.599 --> 00:28:50.599
go through several remodels. They added this giant sign on

466
00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:52.559
top that says the cliff House.

467
00:28:53.480 --> 00:28:57.240
All those freaking old cars are so cool, freaking want it.

468
00:28:57.799 --> 00:29:03.000
And then the one from ninety fifty oh five that

469
00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:07.759
is like a totally fifties remodel, like the vibe they

470
00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:09.680
put like cursive cliff House.

471
00:29:10.119 --> 00:29:15.559
Well, I can definitely towel base on the cars too. Yeah. Yeah,

472
00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:18.039
but it starts to look a little bit more modern,

473
00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:21.000
you know, compared to nineteen thirty six.

474
00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:26.480
Yeah, they remodeled a ton. Yeah, And eventually in nineteen

475
00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:30.000
seventy seven, the National Park Service took over the property,

476
00:29:30.160 --> 00:29:34.359
returning the building to its original neoclassical design. So they

477
00:29:34.400 --> 00:29:38.240
remodeled it back to that first one I showed you, wow,

478
00:29:38.680 --> 00:29:41.200
and making it a part of the Golden Gate National

479
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:45.640
Recreational Area. That's cool. So I have a current photo

480
00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:46.160
for you.

481
00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:48.960
I want to go to there.

482
00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:52.400
And this is a view from like the ocean, so

483
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:56.039
you can see a totally different view of the hotel.

484
00:29:56.119 --> 00:29:58.960
It's not as pretty as the Victorian gingerbread house.

485
00:29:59.079 --> 00:30:02.440
It's not as pretty as literally any other iteration of it.

486
00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:06.440
It looks like a normal building. No, Like, it looks

487
00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:09.640
like a fucking office. Like I feel like I'm in

488
00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:14.039
a rent space there to take people's passport photos.

489
00:30:14.039 --> 00:30:16.720
I know, there's like no verandas there's like a duck

490
00:30:16.839 --> 00:30:22.039
on the bottom. But no, it's it's not amazing. No,

491
00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:26.759
definitely not like the olden days. So the sutro baths

492
00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:31.720
burned to the ground in nineteen sixty six. Why is

493
00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:34.599
all this dude shit burning to the ground?

494
00:30:35.359 --> 00:30:41.640
Like, what did he do? What did he do? These buildings?

495
00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:45.640
But the ruins can still be seen and I have I.

496
00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:49.680
Was gonna say, like the building itself, but there's like

497
00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:54.839
this huge like saltwater reservoir herd.

498
00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:58.039
It's ruined, so it's not maintained at all.

499
00:30:58.839 --> 00:31:03.200
Well they should. The one of it burning in nineteen

500
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:05.920
sixty six, you can see it next to the bolt

501
00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:10.599
house nineteen sixty six. Oh, this is so heartbreaking, I know.

502
00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:15.720
And then the second photo is what's left today. Yeah,

503
00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:20.039
and you can see the cliff House building from so

504
00:31:20.200 --> 00:31:23.480
I mean it really is that close next to it? Yeah?

505
00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:29.400
Yeah, but it's so sad that beautiful greenhouse oasis is

506
00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:31.480
now just a friggin hole in the ground with some

507
00:31:31.839 --> 00:31:34.240
a little bit of concrete structures brick. It looks like

508
00:31:34.279 --> 00:31:34.839
I can't.

509
00:31:34.599 --> 00:31:36.960
Tell I don't know if they were doing like some

510
00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:43.039
sort of like cement style oaks, which like the reservoir

511
00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:46.200
part of it, that does look like cemant. This does

512
00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:48.839
look like it could be some sort of like that

513
00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:51.920
looks like masonry. It's hard to tell. It's not like

514
00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:57.559
the like the sharpest image. I can't see where I

515
00:31:57.559 --> 00:32:03.920
would discern like rebar like in more modern days. What

516
00:32:04.119 --> 00:32:06.920
in the actual thought thing? What are you telling I'm

517
00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:10.319
just crawling across the floor. Hey, what are you doing?

518
00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:15.039
You could have just walked, because there's no cameras. I

519
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:18.839
that was so unnecessary. Opened the door slowly and I

520
00:32:18.920 --> 00:32:22.960
watched him my crawl. I could see you seeing something,

521
00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:28.200
but I was like, I don't know what's happening, Bedbere

522
00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:31.640
Like the jig is up, we are you're here? Say high? Yeah.

523
00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:38.079
So the current day cliff House closed during COVID and

524
00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:42.000
was unable to reopen with the same owners. It was

525
00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:45.160
supposed to reopen in twenty twenty four with new ownership,

526
00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:49.680
but that has been delayed until at least twenty twenty five,

527
00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:51.960
which is this year. I'm not really sure. I didn't

528
00:32:51.960 --> 00:32:54.440
see any updates. I didn't look super hard, but.

529
00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:57.599
Leslie, it's fine because I don't want to stay there.

530
00:32:58.079 --> 00:33:00.759
I don't want to way, it's not a castle. Now.

531
00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:06.279
This delay was due to unexpected repairs costing over ten

532
00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:10.759
million dollars. They wouldn't give an exact boy, they said

533
00:33:10.759 --> 00:33:12.759
it was. It was over ten million dollars.

534
00:33:13.400 --> 00:33:15.920
Uh huh. So that's gonna, you know, put a a

535
00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:18.359
damper on things a little bit, a little bit.

536
00:33:18.759 --> 00:33:23.279
But this new place cannot be called the Cliffhouse. Why

537
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:28.039
the previous owners trademarked the name and even removed all

538
00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:31.079
of the cliff House signage when they left. There might

539
00:33:31.160 --> 00:33:34.440
be negotiations happening to be able to call at the

540
00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:37.000
cliff House, but I don't I don't think they wanted

541
00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:38.920
to give up their business. I think they were pretty

542
00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:43.000
sad about it. COVID was an unfortunate time, got a

543
00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:46.000
lot of people, so it's kind of understandable that maybe

544
00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:47.920
they don't they don't want.

545
00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:49.880
To give them the name, you know. Yeah, well, and

546
00:33:49.960 --> 00:33:54.119
let's face it, if you have ten million dollars of

547
00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:57.039
repairs that need to be done, maybe maybe we don't

548
00:33:57.119 --> 00:34:02.240
monkey with naming rights. Call it something the fuck else

549
00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:03.319
it is.

550
00:34:03.559 --> 00:34:06.680
It's kind of sad though, because it's like historically it's

551
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:09.880
always been the Cliff House there on a cliff, you know.

552
00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:13.679
So yeah, I don't know. It's all kind of sad

553
00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:17.039
to me. Yeah, we'll see. Apparently it's supposed to open

554
00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:19.800
this year, but who knows. You know, what might make

555
00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:23.679
us feel a little better if we go back and

556
00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:26.119
talk a little bit about Jake the Alligator.

557
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:30.079
Man, because I literally cannot get enough of this dude.

558
00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:34.039
He is a ladies man. Yeah, I forgot that's how

559
00:34:34.119 --> 00:34:35.400
we got here, and.

560
00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:38.480
I really wanted to find out, like where exactly he

561
00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:39.159
came from.

562
00:34:39.519 --> 00:34:43.039
Okay, so it was said that he was.

563
00:34:43.079 --> 00:34:48.960
Originally part of the collection at Whitney's Museum in San Francisco,

564
00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:52.639
which Whitney is the name of the brothers who bought

565
00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:57.320
the Cliff House. Yeah right, okay, Yeah, and there was

566
00:34:57.480 --> 00:35:03.480
a museum originally housed in the Sutro Baths then in

567
00:35:03.519 --> 00:35:05.320
the basement of the Cliffhouse.

568
00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:06.559
Huh.

569
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:12.039
It was not the Whitney's collection. They might have had

570
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:16.400
some of their personal collection in this collection. But I

571
00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:24.719
did find that there was a museum called the Music Mechanique, Oh,

572
00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:26.360
which is like friend is up front.

573
00:35:26.840 --> 00:35:29.079
Yeah, I would assume, so I mean it could be

574
00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:32.280
like Spanish. Yeah, you know, it's a Latin based language.

575
00:35:33.079 --> 00:35:36.719
It looks yeah, it looks like Frenchie to me, probably French. Yeah,

576
00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:39.360
this was not the Whitney's collection.

577
00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:41.800
It was owned by a different man, although I think

578
00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:44.920
maybe the Whitneys had some of their collection, their like

579
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:46.679
personal collection stuff in here.

580
00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:49.239
Oh it's not exactly clear.

581
00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:55.000
But the music mechanique part was a museum of over

582
00:35:55.079 --> 00:36:00.920
three hundred antique coin operated mechanical amusements Okay, arcade games,

583
00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:05.679
music boxes, player pianos, fortune tellers, motion pictures, peep shows,

584
00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:11.960
animated dioramas, photo booths, and laughing sal who came from

585
00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:16.679
the Playland Funhouse amusement park. So they there was some

586
00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:19.920
of the Whitney connection, and I think that they were friends.

587
00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:21.960
I think the guy who owned this was friends with

588
00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:26.239
the Whitneys. Okay, he did move this, all the mechanical

589
00:36:26.519 --> 00:36:28.960
part of the museum. He moved to Pure forty five

590
00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:31.079
in two thousand and two and is still there today,

591
00:36:31.159 --> 00:36:32.519
so you can still visit.

592
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:36.719
This, So there's still like a yeah, okay, So I

593
00:36:36.760 --> 00:36:39.079
wasn't sure if this was going to go the way

594
00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:43.159
of like kind of old timey you know, different amusement

595
00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:46.480
machines like that, or if it was going to go

596
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:49.199
like kind of more of a jay Leno vibe and

597
00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:50.679
it's just like a car museum.

598
00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:54.400
Oh no, mechanic, yeah, kind of does somend like that,

599
00:36:55.360 --> 00:36:57.440
but no, it's all those fun kind of like the

600
00:36:57.559 --> 00:37:00.360
Zoltar machine that I visited in Portland.

601
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:02.800
Recently thousand percent when I was picturing.

602
00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:05.639
And I'm sending you a photo because I mentioned someone

603
00:37:05.719 --> 00:37:06.880
named laughing Sal.

604
00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:11.519
Yeah, I feel as though I feel like you're.

605
00:37:11.360 --> 00:37:17.440
Gonna love her, Oh dear god. So on one side

606
00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:20.719
you can see the musy mechanic and trends I think

607
00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:23.920
that is at the Sutra bath house, and then you

608
00:37:23.960 --> 00:37:26.480
can see on the other side that's laughing Sal.

609
00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:31.199
Okay, she's not as scary as I thought. You guys

610
00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:35.360
kind of have the same hair. I mean yeah. Slowly

611
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:38.920
throughout recording, it is transforming.

612
00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:42.880
I want to see her inaction. I don't quite know

613
00:37:42.920 --> 00:37:44.960
what she does, but she's got her hands.

614
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:46.719
Out like this. I don't know what to do.

615
00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:49.679
Her mouth is open. I'm sure she laughs.

616
00:37:49.360 --> 00:37:52.960
Looks like she's missing it too. Currently. I don't know

617
00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:55.079
if that's her natural state.

618
00:37:56.079 --> 00:37:58.719
Baseballed laughing with two f's two by the way, so.

619
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:01.800
Of course, of course.

620
00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:04.119
So that's kind of some of the stuff you can

621
00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:07.400
encounter at Music Mechanique. And I think she's still there

622
00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:10.360
at the current day one at Pure forty five.

623
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:14.159
Okay. So I was kind of wondering if maybe this

624
00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:16.559
was where Jake was housed.

625
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:19.280
He's not coin operated.

626
00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:24.599
Yeah that I know of. Yeah, what we never saw

627
00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:29.360
was his soft under belly, and maybe that's where he's

628
00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:31.599
got the little coins. Maybe, I don't know.

629
00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:34.000
We don't know exactly where he keeps his key all

630
00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:38.559
the time either, so there might be slot somewhere or

631
00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:41.559
a slot. But when there was a museum at the

632
00:38:41.599 --> 00:38:46.119
Sutro baths, they did have some rare and expensive collectibles.

633
00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:48.679
And I don't think that these were part of whoever

634
00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:51.599
owned the mechanics.

635
00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:53.920
Okay, the mechanique.

636
00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:57.800
I think this was more of someone else's. I don't

637
00:38:57.880 --> 00:38:59.679
I don't know, Like I couldn't figure it out.

638
00:38:59.719 --> 00:39:01.880
Really, no, that makes sense, But I think it was

639
00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:05.039
maybe the Whitney's collection, okay. And I feel like in

640
00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:11.400
a salt water bathhouse, maybe you don't store like your

641
00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:13.480
mechanical stuff.

642
00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:17.920
Yeah, I don't know if the bath houses were closed

643
00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:19.840
when they put the museum in there, or if it

644
00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:22.960
just because it had like a bunch of room in it,

645
00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:25.599
so maybe they had like a special spot for the

646
00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:30.599
museum with the pools, I'm not really sure, or if

647
00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:32.679
like they like drained all the pools and just had

648
00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:33.639
a museum in there.

649
00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:36.079
That would seem so odd to me.

650
00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:40.599
Yeah, I'm not one hundred percent sure, but we're going

651
00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:44.000
to talk about some of the stuff that they did have. Okay,

652
00:39:44.320 --> 00:39:50.039
there were natural history exhibits, galleries of sculptures, paintings, and

653
00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:55.519
artifacts from Egypt, China, the Middle East, Mexico, and even

654
00:39:56.079 --> 00:39:59.639
Egyptian mummies. I did already say Egypt, but that did

655
00:39:59.679 --> 00:40:00.880
include with mummy.

656
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:04.400
But like artifacts that's different than you know.

657
00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:09.960
But it's interesting because you remember Jake supposedly was in

658
00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:14.559
the sand dunes of Pakistan, right right. They had stuff

659
00:40:14.559 --> 00:40:16.599
from the Middle East. I don't know, I'm just saying,

660
00:40:18.199 --> 00:40:21.840
and then also mummies. He was like a mummified you know,

661
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:25.679
some people actually think the cause of all of these

662
00:40:25.719 --> 00:40:30.320
fires could have been the Egyptian artifacts because there is

663
00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:33.840
some you know, things about people removing things from like

664
00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:38.079
Egyptian tombs and becoming cursed. Yeah, so I don't know.

665
00:40:38.119 --> 00:40:41.000
I don't think obviously, we know, we don't think Egyptian

666
00:40:41.039 --> 00:40:43.280
stuff is inherently like evil or anything.

667
00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:48.079
Yes, exactly if you're although fuck around and find out. Yeah,

668
00:40:48.440 --> 00:40:54.159
I'm like, remove Egyptian like mummies and what happens, I

669
00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:59.719
don't know, like remove anyone from their intended resting place

670
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:04.400
and then and then tell me who's evil here.

671
00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:07.840
It's funny you say that too. We'll circle back to

672
00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:08.840
that in a minute.

673
00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:11.960
I'm going to leave my feet where they are, but

674
00:41:12.440 --> 00:41:16.639
I appreciate a warning if I need to reposition them.

675
00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:19.519
Okay, maybe at the very end, I'll you know. So

676
00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:22.599
I'm still kind of speculating, like where Jake came from.

677
00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:25.159
Did he come from maybe the amusement park because I'm

678
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:28.360
sure they had some sideshow type things. It reported that,

679
00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:31.519
you know, he was involved in, like carnivals and things,

680
00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:34.800
so it could have come from that, or possibly he

681
00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:38.760
was at the Cliffhouse gift Shop, which opened by the

682
00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:42.440
Whitney Brothers in nineteen thirty nine and they claim to

683
00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:45.199
be the largest gift shop in the world in the

684
00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:47.639
forties and fifties, so that kind of has like the

685
00:41:47.719 --> 00:41:51.280
Marsha's Free museum vibes like this huge.

686
00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:54.639
Gift shop with just like a bunch of shit in it. Yeah,

687
00:41:54.880 --> 00:41:58.360
it could have been from that too, get your chatch gates.

688
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:02.159
Yeah, but still I really couldn't really really really really

689
00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:04.400
I really really really I really really really.

690
00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:06.000
Wait.

691
00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:11.960
I really wanted to like nail down where exactly he

692
00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:15.239
came from. But I'm pretty sure he came from one

693
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:18.960
of the Whitney's random weird collection. I really feel like

694
00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:22.480
maybe he was at the amusement park and the museum,

695
00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:24.280
and maybe he was at all of these places.

696
00:42:24.519 --> 00:42:28.719
I mean that that also could be true, right, I mean,

697
00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:31.719
he could have kind of been moved around. I feel like,

698
00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:35.679
you know, if you find sort of some sort of

699
00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:38.840
an exhibition piece that seems like it does well.

700
00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:42.280
Yeah, and he's a looker too, I mean, who wouldn't

701
00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:43.920
want to put him all over the place?

702
00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:44.440
Right?

703
00:42:44.559 --> 00:42:49.800
Boy, howdy, let's go. Okay, we're moving on from Jake.

704
00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:51.599
I'm done. I've given up.

705
00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:56.039
We're gonna put him in the past until my bonus

706
00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:01.199
because I have a full Patreon bonus about some of

707
00:43:01.239 --> 00:43:02.840
the about Jake the.

708
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:05.960
Delegator man, because I literally can't stop. I get that.

709
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:10.119
But we're going to be moving on, so as an

710
00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:12.280
extension of playland at the beach.

711
00:43:12.360 --> 00:43:15.159
That amusement park we just talked about, Oh that plays.

712
00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:20.039
Camera Obscura was built on the observation deck of the Cliffhouse,

713
00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:24.480
now on the National Register of Historic Places. Camera Obscura

714
00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:28.519
is a rare device based on a fifteenth century designed.

715
00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:35.039
By Leonardo da Vinci. Okay, it produces three hundred and

716
00:43:35.079 --> 00:43:39.880
sixty degrees of spectacular live images of the Seal Rock

717
00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:44.760
area projected onto a giant parabolic disc in the center

718
00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:47.960
of the room. Wow, okay, I'm gonna send you a

719
00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:50.519
photo because it's like this cute little building and it

720
00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:54.039
kind of is shaped like a camera. Oh that's a

721
00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:57.199
storable ball. You know how we feel about a theme.

722
00:43:57.800 --> 00:43:59.599
I love a theme. I love a theme.

723
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:04.679
This was the invention that actually led to photography. Ooh,

724
00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:06.840
I mean not this like building itself, but like the

725
00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:09.679
Leonardo da Vinci's the one it was based on.

726
00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:11.119
Mister Pence.

727
00:44:11.639 --> 00:44:13.159
So I'm going to read you a quote of what

728
00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:16.519
this is. I didn't want to describe it in my

729
00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:20.920
own words. Well for yeah, that's quote. The device is

730
00:44:20.920 --> 00:44:23.480
built using a box or a room with a small

731
00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:26.840
hole that lets lighten. The light from an outside image

732
00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:29.760
passes through the hole and is projected upside down, but

733
00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:34.320
in scale as it strikes the inside surface. Oftentimes mirrors

734
00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:37.679
or reflective discs can be used to produce a right

735
00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:41.199
side up image like sounds like a camera, like a camera.

736
00:44:41.679 --> 00:44:46.519
And I also knew that, and I I'm so glad

737
00:44:46.599 --> 00:44:49.199
that you just had that quote because I feel like

738
00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:51.360
that's exactly what I would have said.

739
00:44:51.920 --> 00:44:55.039
Yeah, totally. And you can kind of see. I know

740
00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:59.280
the quality of the photo I sent you isn't great,

741
00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:02.880
but on the bottom right side is kind of that

742
00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:05.679
projected image of the rocks, and there's like a bunch

743
00:45:05.719 --> 00:45:07.239
of people standing around looking at it.

744
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:11.760
Yeah, it looks like a cult gathering. It does. Yeah,

745
00:45:11.880 --> 00:45:16.440
cults of Seal Rock. Yeah. Wow, Okay, And it's interesting

746
00:45:16.519 --> 00:45:20.199
because at one point I think it's the neo classic

747
00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:22.519
that I was like, this makes me think of Mission,

748
00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:25.079
and then I was like, it also reminds me of

749
00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:29.119
the Mcminimums, which of course takes us to Freemasons. And

750
00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:33.800
then it's not that far of a jump to everything connects.

751
00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:36.280
It really does. If you look for it, it's there,

752
00:45:37.079 --> 00:45:39.679
and if it's not there, you'll find.

753
00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:43.760
Well, speaking of seal rocks, I'm going to tell you

754
00:45:43.840 --> 00:45:46.280
a little bit about that. So they weren't directly below

755
00:45:46.360 --> 00:45:49.480
the cliff house, and we're once home to hundreds of

756
00:45:49.519 --> 00:45:50.480
sea lions.

757
00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:53.800
Okay, that's why they're called seal rocks. I mean that

758
00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:54.360
makes sense.

759
00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:56.920
Tons of people would come and watch them from the

760
00:45:56.920 --> 00:45:58.239
balcony of the cliffhouse.

761
00:45:58.719 --> 00:46:00.639
Yeah. And there was one.

762
00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:04.119
Seal I in there in particular that was quite famous.

763
00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:09.199
Oh and his name was Ben Butler. Stop it named

764
00:46:09.239 --> 00:46:13.440
after a Civil War general by a famous newspaper publisher.

765
00:46:14.119 --> 00:46:14.840
Oh my goodness.

766
00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:18.039
Okay, So I was gonna send you this picture of

767
00:46:18.039 --> 00:46:20.440
seal Rock before I moved on to Ben Butler. So

768
00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:22.280
I'm gonna send you that really quick so you could

769
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:24.199
see all the seals in the rock. Because they're fat

770
00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:25.039
and fucking cue.

771
00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:30.760
They're hilarious. Are they kind of make like I don't know, yeah,

772
00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:33.519
it's like throaty or I listen, I'm not going to

773
00:46:33.639 --> 00:46:34.159
capture it.

774
00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:41.800
Ben Butler was known as the King of Seals at

775
00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:44.800
a conservative fourty pounds.

776
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:47.360
I don't know how they knew it. Well, seals weigh

777
00:46:47.440 --> 00:46:48.840
that much, I guess.

778
00:46:48.679 --> 00:46:52.920
So that's like a lot, right, Yeah, that's what they

779
00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:53.639
said the article.

780
00:46:53.679 --> 00:46:56.079
So I don't know. I mean, I think when they

781
00:46:56.599 --> 00:47:00.760
are actually right off the coast like this, that makes sense.

782
00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:04.599
I don't think the seals that we have in a

783
00:47:04.639 --> 00:47:06.920
lot of Oregon. I don't think a lot of them

784
00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:09.320
militia are like actually down at the coast. Yeah they're

785
00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:11.480
pretty stall Yeah, I think they're smaller.

786
00:47:11.920 --> 00:47:19.599
But the guy was apparently rhobic nikes Sadly, Ben Butler

787
00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:22.960
passed away in nineteen or sorry, in eighteen ninety five.

788
00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:27.199
How do they know that? Well, I'm telling you.

789
00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:31.679
Oh, he was battling another male sea lion. I don't

790
00:47:31.719 --> 00:47:34.280
know how the heck the other guy won. I don't

791
00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:36.559
know if he was bigger or if maybe Ben just

792
00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:37.280
got too old.

793
00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:38.519
He's yeah old.

794
00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:40.480
Maybe he like could move because he was like Jaba

795
00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:42.960
the hut, like yeah, kind of Java, right, just like

796
00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:43.800
laon Reped.

797
00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:48.599
Benny was so beloved they just couldn't let him go.

798
00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:54.159
So they stuffed him. No flight him at the sutro baths. Oh,

799
00:47:54.199 --> 00:47:57.639
I don't care for that. So they had some tax

800
00:47:57.719 --> 00:47:58.840
under me there though.

801
00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:02.639
That's like another kind of clue that maybe Jake did

802
00:48:02.639 --> 00:48:03.239
come from there.

803
00:48:03.880 --> 00:48:09.199
Okay, I'm sending you correct a photo of the article

804
00:48:09.559 --> 00:48:17.519
about Benny Boy God and then his stuff. Oh, he

805
00:48:17.559 --> 00:48:20.400
doesn't even look that big in this photo. I mean,

806
00:48:20.440 --> 00:48:23.559
I don't know to scale, like, I don't, I don't know,

807
00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:26.000
but he doesn't look that big in that photo. But

808
00:48:26.239 --> 00:48:28.199
it was a huge place, so maybe that's like a

809
00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:31.440
really big yeah, so that was him stuff. But the

810
00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:34.400
sutro bast okay. We I feel like it just feels

811
00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:39.039
so morbid. I mean, I think taxidermy in general has

812
00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:43.639
a morbid vibe, but for a creature like that size,

813
00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:46.760
for that scale, it just feels I don't know, that

814
00:48:46.840 --> 00:48:49.719
somehow feels very icky. Yeah. I feel like there are

815
00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:53.760
so many people that are doing like really incredible and

816
00:48:54.400 --> 00:49:00.360
interesting and very like artistic work with and in an

817
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:03.920
ethical way, you know. And not to say that this

818
00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:09.920
necessarily wasn't because obviously sounds like they witnessed the back,

819
00:49:11.559 --> 00:49:14.119
but I don't know, my god, it's just an animal

820
00:49:14.280 --> 00:49:16.519
this large. It just feels I don't know.

821
00:49:16.719 --> 00:49:19.400
I think it's so sweet though, that he was such

822
00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:21.480
like a staple people were used to seeing him, and

823
00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:23.320
they were like, well, we can't just like leave his

824
00:49:23.440 --> 00:49:24.639
body out there, you know.

825
00:49:24.679 --> 00:49:26.920
They went and got him and like, well, no, because

826
00:49:26.920 --> 00:49:29.840
it would sting up the whole coast for like a month.

827
00:49:31.360 --> 00:49:36.519
But they preserved him an up thousand pounds almost of seal.

828
00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:40.000
How did they even get I feel like he maybe

829
00:49:40.039 --> 00:49:43.480
didn't weigh that much. That seems like a crazy I.

830
00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:46.760
Don't love questions. I don't know. Okay, should I look

831
00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:50.360
and see how much? Like is he a specific type

832
00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:56.360
of seal like San Francisco He's a San Francisco seal? Okay,

833
00:49:56.559 --> 00:50:01.079
see lion San Francisco treat he's a sea lion? Is

834
00:50:01.079 --> 00:50:03.239
he a sea lion? Yeah? A seal and a sea

835
00:50:03.320 --> 00:50:05.519
lion are different because seals are much smaller.

836
00:50:05.559 --> 00:50:06.880
But I don't know why they called him the king

837
00:50:06.920 --> 00:50:09.440
of seals. I think maybe they just type.

838
00:50:09.239 --> 00:50:12.159
Of that well and a seal rocked. Yeah, yeah, but

839
00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:16.639
I'm sure there's like seals and sea lions. We got taken.

840
00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:21.519
We got taken real hard. On average adult male California

841
00:50:21.639 --> 00:50:25.800
sea lions in San Francisco way between six hundred and

842
00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:27.679
eight hundred and fifty pounds.

843
00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:29.400
Yeah, I feel like I could see him being like

844
00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:32.199
a thousand pounds, like if he has a real big boy,

845
00:50:32.719 --> 00:50:34.760
five thousand pounds is like.

846
00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:41.159
Yeah, So I don't know questionable sources. The females weigh

847
00:50:41.199 --> 00:50:44.599
between two hundred and two fifty. Damn, they gonna get

848
00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:50.039
so smooched. Yeah, they'd be smooshing. Yes, that's maybe that's

849
00:50:50.079 --> 00:50:57.679
where smush comes from. Snooky wa smash mush. Oh gosh.

850
00:50:57.760 --> 00:51:04.039
Well, I have recently become addicted to TikTok, and I'm

851
00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:08.760
saying when I was talking about this beloved Benny, all

852
00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:12.119
I could think of is the new Justin Bieber.

853
00:51:11.800 --> 00:51:17.559
Song, Hey you, Benny that was with Selene. I will

854
00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:22.360
still be cheating better than you, better than you. It's

855
00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:27.119
it's like a fake Justin Bieber song. Oh okay, because

856
00:51:27.159 --> 00:51:27.760
there's this.

857
00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:32.440
There's all this drama with Justin and Selena and Benny

858
00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:35.599
and Haley, and I know all about it because I'm now.

859
00:51:35.480 --> 00:51:38.480
Addicted to TikTok. It's been going on for so much,

860
00:51:38.679 --> 00:51:42.360
so long, but someone made this amazing song and I

861
00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:44.239
cannot get it out of my head. I'm gonna need

862
00:51:44.280 --> 00:51:47.760
you to look at this song. Go to TikTok. All right,

863
00:51:48.239 --> 00:51:54.719
typing Benny Justin Bieber banger. It's a banger. I understand

864
00:51:54.840 --> 00:51:59.719
TikTok now. It's pretty. Guy's pretty understand TikTok. You guys,

865
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:02.679
I just have to say, like, if you're just in

866
00:52:02.679 --> 00:52:06.760
Bieber and you're actually on your own socials, like don't

867
00:52:06.760 --> 00:52:09.280
you have like a manager? Don't you have like pr people?

868
00:52:09.559 --> 00:52:15.239
I feel like you really should, because yeah, there's stuff happening,

869
00:52:15.719 --> 00:52:20.960
but I'm loving what's coming out as a result because

870
00:52:20.960 --> 00:52:23.920
it's making me understand TikTok and the Internet like I

871
00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:27.400
never have before. Okay, and I'm really grateful. I am

872
00:52:27.480 --> 00:52:29.920
officially Yeah, you got to go check it out after this.

873
00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:34.920
We got to take take a because I'm out of

874
00:52:34.960 --> 00:52:38.039
here right. I totally got sidetracked because I'm like talking

875
00:52:38.079 --> 00:52:40.519
about Benny and then this song just gets in my head.

876
00:52:41.920 --> 00:52:43.039
It's going to be in there forever.

877
00:52:43.119 --> 00:52:45.519
You're welcome, But we still have a couple of things

878
00:52:45.559 --> 00:52:47.360
to talk about, because you know, we didn't even get

879
00:52:47.440 --> 00:52:48.400
to Hauntings yet.

880
00:52:48.559 --> 00:52:51.320
We have one more interesting thing. I don't know, like,

881
00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:53.920
are we really like is it going to get better

882
00:52:53.960 --> 00:52:55.679
than this? I feel like we've kind of like.

883
00:52:56.159 --> 00:52:59.119
Actually, no, it gets far worse from here on out.

884
00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:03.320
But okay, I'm well jazzed about it. So we're going

885
00:53:03.400 --> 00:53:04.800
to move on and we're going to talk about the

886
00:53:04.840 --> 00:53:08.920
Cliffhouse suspension bridge. For a second. In the eighteen eighties,

887
00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:11.639
a rope and wood bridge linked the cliff House to

888
00:53:11.719 --> 00:53:13.000
one of the steal rocks.

889
00:53:14.440 --> 00:53:16.400
Nope, nope.

890
00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:21.719
It was about twenty five to thirty feet above, depending

891
00:53:21.719 --> 00:53:24.480
on the tide, the sand or the shallow water.

892
00:53:25.519 --> 00:53:25.599
No.

893
00:53:26.559 --> 00:53:32.360
In eighteen eighty four, some dumbass boys rocked the bridge

894
00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:36.880
so hard that they flipped it upside down, and there

895
00:53:36.920 --> 00:53:40.920
were about forty other people on the bridge, several of

896
00:53:41.000 --> 00:53:44.559
whom were seriously injured. Nobody died that I know of,

897
00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:47.880
But what the fuck? Boys don't be flipping bridges?

898
00:53:48.320 --> 00:53:51.280
Well, how the fuck would you know back then, because like,

899
00:53:51.320 --> 00:53:55.000
what did you take roll call before everybody walked across

900
00:53:55.000 --> 00:53:58.480
the bridge? Those guys maybe, I don't know what a

901
00:53:58.480 --> 00:54:04.199
bunch of little punks. I know. Oh it's such dumb boys,

902
00:54:04.360 --> 00:54:07.519
so stupid. We should throw rocks at them, Yeah, like

903
00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:09.519
really big rocks, like seal rock.

904
00:54:09.920 --> 00:54:11.599
Like if they were the only ones on the bridges,

905
00:54:11.679 --> 00:54:14.519
that would be fine. Like yeah, flip yourselves.

906
00:54:14.239 --> 00:54:18.400
Yeah, flip yourselves all the way over forty other people,

907
00:54:18.440 --> 00:54:22.920
Like that's a lot of people want suspension bridge that Like,

908
00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:25.320
I feel like it might have broken it either way. Yeah.

909
00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:30.840
Like also I'm I'm immediately out when you say suspension bridge.

910
00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:34.760
Yeah no, me too, totally. I know there's probably suspension

911
00:54:34.840 --> 00:54:39.760
bridges that I have uh encountered in my real life,

912
00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:43.239
and that's fine. I didn't know that's what they were.

913
00:54:43.360 --> 00:54:45.840
I have like nightmares about falling off of them. I

914
00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:49.559
don't know why, but I do. And it's terrifying.

915
00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:52.280
Because all of us here in the Pacific Northwest are

916
00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:55.920
trained to think about the big one. Maybe yeah, yeah,

917
00:54:55.960 --> 00:54:58.559
yeah maybe, or maybe in a past life I was

918
00:54:58.599 --> 00:55:00.559
on the suspension bridge and I got looked over and

919
00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:02.400
that's why I feel the need to include it in

920
00:55:02.440 --> 00:55:04.760
this episode or shirt.

921
00:55:04.920 --> 00:55:08.960
Or maybe I was Benny the what's his last name?

922
00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:16.639
Benny, Benny, Benny Blonco, Benny Butler, Oh right, that guy,

923
00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:18.039
that guy, that guy ka.

924
00:55:18.440 --> 00:55:22.000
But they did not rebuild the suspension bridge, feeling that

925
00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:26.280
it was safer to watch the view from the cliff

926
00:55:26.280 --> 00:55:26.800
instead of.

927
00:55:26.800 --> 00:55:30.320
Like, yeah in the view, you know, yeah, they're like

928
00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:34.320
because men, yeah, yeah, let's just not do that again.

929
00:55:34.400 --> 00:55:37.440
Let's not even give them the opportunity. So that's fair.

930
00:55:37.559 --> 00:55:41.119
I feel like, yeah, a wise choice here. You're ready

931
00:55:41.119 --> 00:55:46.000
for ghosties okay, whatever, there's some ghosties. Naturally, we have

932
00:55:46.079 --> 00:55:47.880
to talk about the hauntings, right, you can't forget to

933
00:55:47.880 --> 00:55:51.119
talk about the hauntings. Who would do that? Yeah, it's

934
00:55:51.119 --> 00:55:53.559
not like this is just like a history podcast or

935
00:55:53.559 --> 00:55:54.679
anything whatever.

936
00:55:56.000 --> 00:55:59.440
There is a spirit people say that they see called

937
00:55:59.760 --> 00:56:03.920
Earth named Natalie Harrison, who wandered the beaches below the

938
00:56:03.920 --> 00:56:07.079
cliff house waiting for her fiance to return from World

939
00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:07.679
War One.

940
00:56:08.320 --> 00:56:10.480
Oh okay, not World War two.

941
00:56:10.480 --> 00:56:14.719
I'm sorry, Yeah, I mean, but he sadly never came

942
00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:18.119
back to her orner and people say she passed away

943
00:56:18.119 --> 00:56:21.480
of a broken heart. Yeah, and they still see her

944
00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:26.239
forlornly walking the coastline, forever waiting on her man's But

945
00:56:26.400 --> 00:56:29.960
beware if you are a man visiting this area, because

946
00:56:29.960 --> 00:56:32.079
she might lure you off the.

947
00:56:32.079 --> 00:56:35.960
Cliffs to your death like siren. Yeah. I don't know.

948
00:56:36.039 --> 00:56:37.559
I don't know if this is true or if people

949
00:56:37.639 --> 00:56:40.320
just want to like feel a nice woman. Seems like

950
00:56:40.360 --> 00:56:43.480
a true but yeah, I could see it being true.

951
00:56:43.639 --> 00:56:45.639
I don't know. Maybe, just like, don't be a man

952
00:56:46.079 --> 00:56:47.599
who's just like being a dick.

953
00:56:48.239 --> 00:56:51.079
Don't follow a beautiful woman off a cliff, or do.

954
00:56:52.800 --> 00:56:55.000
Or do if you're that kind of man. Yeah, I

955
00:56:55.000 --> 00:56:57.400
feel like we're just at a we're at a point

956
00:56:57.599 --> 00:57:00.559
in our society where we need more men to like

957
00:57:01.239 --> 00:57:05.880
not follow women or really follow them and follow them

958
00:57:05.920 --> 00:57:07.599
straight off off the cliff. Yeah.

959
00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:09.960
But yeah, you make a really good point.

960
00:57:10.159 --> 00:57:16.159
And see, it's not that scary because it's just men.

961
00:57:17.039 --> 00:57:19.599
I was gonna say, I would love to chat about bears.

962
00:57:19.960 --> 00:57:23.239
There's no bears in this episode. Just see Sea Lions,

963
00:57:23.599 --> 00:57:26.480
the Paranormal Ghost Society, which is like that website A

964
00:57:26.599 --> 00:57:28.039
sent you. It was from them.

965
00:57:28.320 --> 00:57:31.440
They investigated there and caught an EVP of someone crying,

966
00:57:32.360 --> 00:57:36.239
So it could have been Natalie, or it could have

967
00:57:36.280 --> 00:57:39.159
been any of the one hundred and twenty eight lives lost

968
00:57:39.360 --> 00:57:43.800
in the SS City of Rio de Janeiro shipwreck. Well,

969
00:57:43.880 --> 00:57:46.280
for Fox's sake, that's a long name for a ship,

970
00:57:46.840 --> 00:57:47.400
sure is.

971
00:57:47.880 --> 00:57:50.719
But I am just going to say, I realize you've

972
00:57:50.760 --> 00:57:53.440
told me her name, But as soon as you talk

973
00:57:53.599 --> 00:57:58.239
about a body of water and a Natalie, I'm just

974
00:57:58.280 --> 00:58:00.960
like Natalie Nataline, Natalie.

975
00:58:01.360 --> 00:58:07.400
It was Natalie Harrison, Yeah, not Natalie Wood. Yeah, which

976
00:58:07.480 --> 00:58:11.320
I want you to cover. Many of the lives lost

977
00:58:11.360 --> 00:58:14.800
in the shipwreck were Chinese and Japanese immigrants who were

978
00:58:14.840 --> 00:58:19.159
asleep in their cabins when the wreck occurred. It was

979
00:58:19.239 --> 00:58:23.639
so devastating that it is considered the Titanic of the

980
00:58:23.679 --> 00:58:24.480
Golden Gates.

981
00:58:24.599 --> 00:58:27.800
I was just gonna say, that's like, I mean, it's

982
00:58:28.039 --> 00:58:31.559
it's not on the same scale, but this was like

983
00:58:31.599 --> 00:58:33.639
the biggest scaleing it's a shipwreck.

984
00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:37.880
I know, it's crazy another Titanic reference in these, like

985
00:58:38.440 --> 00:58:41.079
because we referenced it in the Jake episode and the

986
00:58:41.119 --> 00:58:45.400
Benson and She ever wore Titanic guess just all over

987
00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:45.800
the place.

988
00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:49.480
It's like we may or may not have seen a

989
00:58:49.559 --> 00:58:52.880
movie all about it in like very formative years.

990
00:58:52.920 --> 00:58:54.960
It's still my favorite movie ever made.

991
00:58:55.239 --> 00:58:58.199
Really, yeah, I feel like it's it's way up there

992
00:58:58.239 --> 00:59:00.800
for me. It's like, if nothing else else, it's just

993
00:59:00.840 --> 00:59:05.199
like porn for your like eye holes, all of the

994
00:59:05.199 --> 00:59:08.320
the actual sex part or oh I don't even care

995
00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:13.840
about that. No, No, it's just like, I mean, it's

996
00:59:13.880 --> 00:59:17.360
such a beautiful ship, all of the dresses and jewelry,

997
00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:21.280
the my god, the way that they styled their hair.

998
00:59:22.360 --> 00:59:25.440
Leonard like, I guess whatever.

999
00:59:26.079 --> 00:59:29.440
I don't think this ship was like fancy necessarily, but

1000
00:59:29.519 --> 00:59:32.000
it was just like the tragedy of losing all of

1001
00:59:32.000 --> 00:59:34.679
those people, and it was more biggest shipwreck in the area.

1002
00:59:34.920 --> 00:59:39.960
Yeah, more of like a just a true like passenger ship, yeah,

1003
00:59:40.039 --> 00:59:44.159
rather than a sailing caste system. Yeah that's fair.

1004
00:59:44.360 --> 00:59:48.199
I mean all the Chinese and Japanese immigrants were you know,

1005
00:59:48.280 --> 00:59:51.719
still down below in the lowest you know, kind of

1006
00:59:51.760 --> 00:59:52.800
just like the Titanic.

1007
00:59:53.400 --> 00:59:56.400
Well, I mean I guess that depends, like were there

1008
00:59:56.440 --> 00:59:59.519
people up on I don't know. I don't heard a

1009
00:59:59.559 --> 01:00:01.599
lot about SHO. I was gonna say it. That's like

1010
01:00:01.639 --> 01:00:03.800
one of those things where it's like it's hard to

1011
01:00:03.840 --> 01:00:06.000
know because you're like I would have to do a

1012
01:00:06.000 --> 01:00:09.159
lot of digging to find out, like was this a

1013
01:00:09.320 --> 01:00:14.760
racist and or socio economic situation of oppression or was

1014
01:00:14.800 --> 01:00:18.719
this just a tragedy because everybody was asleep, you know

1015
01:00:18.760 --> 01:00:19.159
what I mean.

1016
01:00:19.280 --> 01:00:21.960
Like and there were like I think like two hundred

1017
01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:23.800
people on the ship, and one hundred and twenty eight

1018
01:00:23.840 --> 01:00:28.360
people died, so like the on board died.

1019
01:00:28.639 --> 01:00:33.400
Roughly like sixty sixty five percent ish, I agree off

1020
01:00:33.400 --> 01:00:34.119
the top of my head.

1021
01:00:34.480 --> 01:00:39.039
Yeah, people also see a ghost ship. Uh do you

1022
01:00:39.079 --> 01:00:44.000
remember that schooner that exploded? What it was named the parallel.

1023
01:00:44.039 --> 01:00:48.239
I don't I guess that's schooners. Shut up, cut up,

1024
01:00:49.320 --> 01:00:55.159
shut up, you scuttle let Yeah, what's the scuttle butt? Uh?

1025
01:00:55.199 --> 01:00:57.760
Its name was the Parallel, And people say that they

1026
01:00:58.519 --> 01:01:01.880
see it in the it just kind of vanishes before

1027
01:01:01.880 --> 01:01:04.360
their eves, so they see the.

1028
01:01:04.320 --> 01:01:07.280
Ghost of the Parallel. I mean maybe just sailed away.

1029
01:01:08.360 --> 01:01:10.599
People are so dramatic, I know, and all kind of shits.

1030
01:01:10.639 --> 01:01:12.079
I don't know if all ships kind of look the

1031
01:01:12.119 --> 01:01:14.840
same or if this one was like really to steing.

1032
01:01:14.800 --> 01:01:17.679
Well I was gonna say, I mean, depending on when

1033
01:01:17.719 --> 01:01:23.039
they're documenting the sighting. Yeah, ships of certain eras are

1034
01:01:23.400 --> 01:01:28.519
very that is true, potentially very recognizable because not a

1035
01:01:28.559 --> 01:01:32.199
lot of people are outsailing boats that look like the

1036
01:01:32.320 --> 01:01:34.360
Nina into you know.

1037
01:01:34.400 --> 01:01:41.119
Yeah, Santa Maria, do you in the bottom while you

1038
01:01:41.159 --> 01:01:42.280
drink is saying griya.

1039
01:01:43.679 --> 01:01:44.079
Okay.

1040
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:48.239
In the ruins of the Sutro bass, people hear voices

1041
01:01:48.519 --> 01:01:51.119
and laughter when no one else is around.

1042
01:01:51.199 --> 01:01:52.119
No, thank you please.

1043
01:01:52.760 --> 01:01:55.880
They see apparitions of people in old timey bathing suits,

1044
01:01:55.880 --> 01:01:56.960
which would be pretty cool.

1045
01:01:56.960 --> 01:02:00.559
Actually, I like, I'm kind of here that cure for

1046
01:02:00.599 --> 01:02:04.280
the fashion of the Yes, oh my god, absolutely some

1047
01:02:04.360 --> 01:02:07.079
of whom might be a number of people who drowned

1048
01:02:07.119 --> 01:02:10.920
on site though, Oh that's a bumma, or even.

1049
01:02:10.800 --> 01:02:14.239
A sixteen year old boy named Frank who fell headfirst

1050
01:02:14.400 --> 01:02:16.559
into one of the empty concrete.

1051
01:02:16.800 --> 01:02:18.880
No no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no, and

1052
01:02:18.920 --> 01:02:22.400
he didn't he didn't survey. Well, that doesn't sound like

1053
01:02:22.440 --> 01:02:23.960
he drowned. Nope, he did not.

1054
01:02:24.559 --> 01:02:28.639
Yeah, yeah, he hit his head in the Yeah. But

1055
01:02:28.800 --> 01:02:31.280
a number of other people did drown on site. I

1056
01:02:31.320 --> 01:02:33.400
think there was like a man or again, an older

1057
01:02:33.440 --> 01:02:34.440
man and a woman.

1058
01:02:34.199 --> 01:02:38.920
That they talked about. Yeah. There is also a creepy

1059
01:02:38.960 --> 01:02:43.960
tunnel at the baths. Baths okay, because why wouldn't there be.

1060
01:02:44.440 --> 01:02:46.760
It was used to pump sea water into the pools,

1061
01:02:48.599 --> 01:02:53.079
So nothing nefarious, no Shanghai, just gonna say, uh was

1062
01:02:53.199 --> 01:02:58.280
for water pump in. There has of course been some

1063
01:02:58.440 --> 01:03:05.159
vandalism in the tunnel, things like inverted pentagram, leading people

1064
01:03:05.159 --> 01:03:09.280
to believe there's some sort of devil worshiping, satanic panic

1065
01:03:10.000 --> 01:03:11.280
activity happening.

1066
01:03:11.480 --> 01:03:14.679
Oh well, I mean, you know, it's like we already

1067
01:03:14.679 --> 01:03:18.000
made the connection to the Freemasons, and I got to

1068
01:03:18.079 --> 01:03:20.159
keep going. Yeah. Yeah, just.

1069
01:03:21.840 --> 01:03:24.360
Legend has it if you light a candle in the tunnel,

1070
01:03:25.360 --> 01:03:28.880
a woman will be summoned and she will throw the

1071
01:03:28.920 --> 01:03:29.920
candle in the ocean.

1072
01:03:30.480 --> 01:03:33.119
I was like, am I the woman? And did I

1073
01:03:33.280 --> 01:03:39.760
just like? Am I just hanging out? I don't understand this, Like,

1074
01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:42.599
why would you want to just summon this woman so

1075
01:03:42.719 --> 01:03:44.199
she could throw your candle in the ocean.

1076
01:03:44.880 --> 01:03:46.880
Maybe she's like I don't like light, Like, get the

1077
01:03:46.880 --> 01:03:49.800
fuck out of here, throw this candle in the ocean.

1078
01:03:50.519 --> 01:03:54.000
Weird? What if she's worried about it catching fire again

1079
01:03:54.159 --> 01:03:56.800
and she's like, get this fire out of here. I

1080
01:03:56.800 --> 01:03:57.559
didn't think of.

1081
01:03:57.559 --> 01:04:03.440
That until just now, Yeah, that we might be onto something.

1082
01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:06.920
What is chucking it towards the ship that exploded?

1083
01:04:07.000 --> 01:04:11.239
Oh oh, I don't know. I really feel like maybe

1084
01:04:11.239 --> 01:04:13.480
she's like, get the fire out of here. Like face

1085
01:04:13.519 --> 01:04:15.320
burned down. That's so disrespectful.

1086
01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:18.679
Literally everything they put here just like burns to the ground.

1087
01:04:18.719 --> 01:04:23.920
Have you learned nothing? Yeah? Wow? Okay?

1088
01:04:24.039 --> 01:04:28.400
Interesting Yeah, and then to the last part where you

1089
01:04:28.519 --> 01:04:29.639
may have to put up.

1090
01:04:29.559 --> 01:04:34.960
Your little I felt it coming. This is something that

1091
01:04:35.039 --> 01:04:42.159
you just loved to hear. It's your favorite thing. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

1092
01:04:42.320 --> 01:04:44.280
I'm just telling you you're gonna love to hear this,

1093
01:04:44.360 --> 01:04:48.000
that's your favorite thing. You're a liar once again. We

1094
01:04:48.079 --> 01:04:52.280
have this old story. The area surrounding the Cliffhouse and

1095
01:04:52.400 --> 01:04:58.199
Sutro Baths used to be the Golden Gate Cemetery.

1096
01:04:59.039 --> 01:05:00.400
I scared its board out of her.

1097
01:05:02.880 --> 01:05:08.440
In the nineteen thirties, they exhumed over eighteen thousand bodies

1098
01:05:09.400 --> 01:05:12.400
and had them moved, but in a tale as old

1099
01:05:12.400 --> 01:05:15.239
as fucking time, they did not manage to get everyone.

1100
01:05:15.760 --> 01:05:20.360
And in nineteen ninety three they discovered hundreds more unmarked grapes.

1101
01:05:21.239 --> 01:05:26.360
Jesus fucking Christ. And so we're so shocked that everything

1102
01:05:26.480 --> 01:05:32.519
we build on around Oh, that's why earlier you were like, yeah,

1103
01:05:32.639 --> 01:05:35.719
move someone from their resting place and like fuck around

1104
01:05:35.760 --> 01:05:39.280
and find out. And I'm like, oh yeah, I'm just

1105
01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:40.880
saying it's rude.

1106
01:05:41.280 --> 01:05:45.559
Yeah, So that happened, gosh, yeah, And they moved these

1107
01:05:45.559 --> 01:05:48.239
bodies in the in the nineteen thirties and they didn't

1108
01:05:48.280 --> 01:05:51.199
find the rest of the unmarked grapes until nineteen ninety three.

1109
01:05:51.639 --> 01:05:58.599
So sixty wait, sixty years, sixty three years, yes, wowsers. Well,

1110
01:05:59.400 --> 01:06:04.760
I'm glad that we ended on that happy note. We'll

1111
01:06:04.800 --> 01:06:06.199
talk about Jake the Alligator.

1112
01:06:05.840 --> 01:06:10.199
Mantimore oh my god, wild.

1113
01:06:10.360 --> 01:06:14.400
There's a lot of things that could cause like this

1114
01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:15.199
kind of cursey.

1115
01:06:15.840 --> 01:06:19.199
Yeah, they're like, okay, listen, okay, so hear me out.

1116
01:06:19.679 --> 01:06:22.199
What if we just build all of this shit where

1117
01:06:22.199 --> 01:06:24.320
there's a bunch of dead people and like we'll get

1118
01:06:24.400 --> 01:06:27.320
some of them, but like inevitably probably not going to

1119
01:06:27.400 --> 01:06:29.880
find everyone, so like, but fuck it, let's.

1120
01:06:29.599 --> 01:06:32.159
Do this and then also have like ancient artifacts and.

1121
01:06:32.159 --> 01:06:35.159
We'll bring shit that doesn't belong here and doesn't want

1122
01:06:35.199 --> 01:06:37.840
to be here, and honestly, it's kind of pissed that

1123
01:06:37.880 --> 01:06:41.400
we've taken it from the place where it wants to be, yeah,

1124
01:06:41.519 --> 01:06:45.199
or they want to be, and then we're just going

1125
01:06:45.239 --> 01:06:50.320
to be like totally surprised when shit keeps burning down.

1126
01:06:51.119 --> 01:06:53.360
So I don't know, Hopefully it's over with.

1127
01:06:53.760 --> 01:06:56.360
Hopefully you know, the new place, they're able to open

1128
01:06:56.360 --> 01:06:59.199
it back up and we'll see what happens. I guess

1129
01:06:59.280 --> 01:07:00.920
I wish them the best of luck.

1130
01:07:02.039 --> 01:07:05.760
It is a gorgeous spot. Very previews. Yeah, oh I

1131
01:07:05.800 --> 01:07:06.519
did forget to say.

1132
01:07:06.559 --> 01:07:09.599
There was an earthquake and all the sea lions moved,

1133
01:07:09.719 --> 01:07:12.199
so they that used to be like their permanent home,

1134
01:07:12.519 --> 01:07:16.679
but now they only come back like certain times easonally, yeah, seasonally.

1135
01:07:17.079 --> 01:07:19.320
Okay, So I don't know if this if the.

1136
01:07:19.320 --> 01:07:23.320
Sea lions are like what when they come around now

1137
01:07:23.440 --> 01:07:24.320
like nowadays?

1138
01:07:24.679 --> 01:07:27.119
Uh, that's interesting. Yeah, so you might go and not

1139
01:07:27.159 --> 01:07:30.559
even see seals at Seal Rock now sea lions, Yeah,

1140
01:07:30.599 --> 01:07:33.400
sea lions, sea lions. You won't see any of them,

1141
01:07:33.880 --> 01:07:35.320
seals or sea lions.

1142
01:07:35.360 --> 01:07:37.519
And I wonder where Ben Butler ended up like his

1143
01:07:37.679 --> 01:07:40.440
stuffed yeah, his stuffed carcass.

1144
01:07:40.599 --> 01:07:44.239
I don't know where he ended up either. Hopefully he's

1145
01:07:44.239 --> 01:07:47.199
in a museum somewhere. Yeah, maybe we'll have to hunt

1146
01:07:47.239 --> 01:07:54.000
him down right, anyone knows where, Fenny Anny, let me know.

1147
01:07:54.440 --> 01:07:57.920
See you. This is how I know that you're like

1148
01:07:58.000 --> 01:08:00.719
really into tech talk because you immediately got on like

1149
01:08:00.760 --> 01:08:05.079
the trend. And if I was thinking of like Benny

1150
01:08:05.719 --> 01:08:08.599
in like a musical way, I would have been like,

1151
01:08:08.960 --> 01:08:12.519
but but Benny and the JITs, that's true. Yeah, that

1152
01:08:12.639 --> 01:08:16.439
probably would have been the Benny I thought about before

1153
01:08:16.560 --> 01:08:19.560
TikTok ruined my brain. Yeah. Well you know, brain run

1154
01:08:19.640 --> 01:08:19.920
is real.

1155
01:08:20.279 --> 01:08:23.319
Well, I've experienced it now. So I wasn't even looking

1156
01:08:23.520 --> 01:08:26.079
I was looking for skincare tips. Okay, I wasn't even

1157
01:08:26.119 --> 01:08:28.239
looking for a drama and I found it and I'm

1158
01:08:28.319 --> 01:08:28.760
sucked in.

1159
01:08:29.039 --> 01:08:37.359
Oh it found you the road to rot thinking about

1160
01:08:37.760 --> 01:08:44.920
not justin Bieber, thinking about the cliff house. All right,

1161
01:08:45.560 --> 01:08:50.439
she is spreading the dick. She is going to select

1162
01:08:50.760 --> 01:08:56.600
our card. Her hair is a beautiful chistnut. Interesting. That

1163
01:08:56.720 --> 01:08:59.680
kind of looks like the side of a cliff. What

1164
01:08:59.800 --> 01:09:04.960
is that? Four pentacles in reverse does look like it's

1165
01:09:05.000 --> 01:09:07.720
on a cliff. It's like a woodpecker on a tree,

1166
01:09:08.079 --> 01:09:13.520
but totally looks like a cliff. Okay. For the four

1167
01:09:13.720 --> 01:09:23.319
of Pentacles, our keywords are security, materialism, caution, possessiveness, breed,

1168
01:09:23.560 --> 01:09:30.039
and creative blocks. Oh interesting, okay. In some tarot decks,

1169
01:09:30.079 --> 01:09:34.319
the fourth Pentacles features a man with four pentagrams attached

1170
01:09:34.319 --> 01:09:39.279
to his body. He did talk about the inverted pentagrams

1171
01:09:39.359 --> 01:09:42.239
in the interesting just something.

1172
01:09:42.479 --> 01:09:46.000
Pentagrams always reminds me of like money though, and Sutro

1173
01:09:46.279 --> 01:09:47.439
was like a millionaire.

1174
01:09:47.960 --> 01:09:52.399
Yeah, I mean, pentacles is definitely I mean, that's a

1175
01:09:52.520 --> 01:09:59.359
definite linkage. The image suggests his money and possessions define him.

1176
01:09:59.600 --> 01:10:03.840
Oh okay, I think so someone who's making Sutro baths

1177
01:10:03.960 --> 01:10:10.319
and suitral heights and all yeah things built himself a castle. Yeah,

1178
01:10:10.600 --> 01:10:19.359
force symbolize stability. Therefore, this card signifies financial security or

1179
01:10:19.600 --> 01:10:24.560
seeking it, which I feel like is there's there's a

1180
01:10:24.560 --> 01:10:29.840
little bit of a linkage to multiple like eerrows this

1181
01:10:29.880 --> 01:10:32.359
story with that and the new one too, I mean

1182
01:10:32.439 --> 01:10:36.359
even yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking when the

1183
01:10:36.439 --> 01:10:41.800
four of Pentacles appears reversed. It suggests your conservative attitude

1184
01:10:41.920 --> 01:10:47.159
and limited vision are causes of stagnation. As a result,

1185
01:10:47.239 --> 01:10:52.199
you encounter obstacles and delays that keep you from moving ahead, like.

1186
01:10:52.159 --> 01:10:55.159
Having ten over ten million dollars in repairs.

1187
01:10:55.279 --> 01:10:59.800
The possibly you need to make changes to stop clinging

1188
01:10:59.840 --> 01:11:03.479
to old ideas and tried and true methods, but you're

1189
01:11:03.520 --> 01:11:08.640
afraid to take a risk. Oh interesting, huh. I feel

1190
01:11:08.680 --> 01:11:13.000
like that could relate to maybe that current ownership. Can

1191
01:11:13.000 --> 01:11:16.119
you read that one more time? You need to make

1192
01:11:16.239 --> 01:11:20.359
changes to stop clinging, like as if to a cliff,

1193
01:11:22.079 --> 01:11:25.399
to old ideas and tried and true methods, but you're

1194
01:11:25.439 --> 01:11:26.960
afraid to take a risk.

1195
01:11:28.199 --> 01:11:30.159
That does kind of remind me of present day, but

1196
01:11:30.239 --> 01:11:33.640
also like all the remodeling it went through and stuff.

1197
01:11:33.800 --> 01:11:38.319
Yeah. In a reading about money, this card recommends against

1198
01:11:38.359 --> 01:11:43.079
an investment or financial venture at this time, I mean

1199
01:11:43.119 --> 01:11:46.520
this could be applicable to the past as well, because like.

1200
01:11:46.520 --> 01:11:49.399
All the money they sunk into however, many buildings and

1201
01:11:49.439 --> 01:11:51.800
remodels and everything is basically gone.

1202
01:11:51.880 --> 01:11:54.159
Now, Yeah, that was kind of what I was saying.

1203
01:11:55.840 --> 01:12:01.800
Sometimes it indicates imprudent spending or back decisions regarding money

1204
01:12:01.920 --> 01:12:07.079
or property. Wow, Okay, Yeah. If the reading is about

1205
01:12:07.079 --> 01:12:10.600
your job, the reverse four can mean you feel insecure

1206
01:12:10.640 --> 01:12:16.079
in your position. Outsourcing, cutbacks, or competition may threaten your job.

1207
01:12:16.960 --> 01:12:21.680
You may be passed over for promotion or fail because

1208
01:12:21.680 --> 01:12:24.479
your skills are outdated or inadequate.

1209
01:12:26.079 --> 01:12:28.439
That kind of reminds me not that like their skills

1210
01:12:28.439 --> 01:12:31.960
were outdated and inadequate, but the people who were running

1211
01:12:31.960 --> 01:12:34.439
it during COVID, and there was a lot of drama

1212
01:12:34.479 --> 01:12:37.199
about that that I didn't include. They like didn't renew

1213
01:12:37.239 --> 01:12:41.199
their lease for for reasons. There's a lot there was

1214
01:12:41.239 --> 01:12:42.600
a lot of drama about that.

1215
01:12:43.399 --> 01:12:48.880
Interesting. So yeah, I don't know. In a reading about love,

1216
01:12:49.279 --> 01:12:53.359
you may fear losing control in a relationship because you

1217
01:12:53.520 --> 01:12:57.439
sense your power dwindling, like waiting by the shore for

1218
01:12:57.520 --> 01:13:03.880
your maybe your fiance. You feel insecure, perhaps you depend

1219
01:13:03.920 --> 01:13:07.239
on your partner for financial support and feel trapped in

1220
01:13:07.279 --> 01:13:11.520
the relationship, which I feel like also speaks to a

1221
01:13:11.520 --> 01:13:16.119
certain era. Okay, there's an extra exert. You've heard the

1222
01:13:16.199 --> 01:13:20.840
saying money is the root of all evil, but the

1223
01:13:21.039 --> 01:13:26.720
actual quote is love of money. Greed is the root

1224
01:13:26.840 --> 01:13:31.880
of all kinds of evil. In some tarot decks, this

1225
01:13:32.000 --> 01:13:38.880
card is labeled greed. The ooth Taro, however, calls it

1226
01:13:39.079 --> 01:13:44.159
power and gives a more positive interpretation, a solid foundation

1227
01:13:44.439 --> 01:13:48.119
on which you can create something more sound, which is

1228
01:13:48.239 --> 01:13:51.239
interesting because when we go back and sort of think

1229
01:13:51.279 --> 01:13:59.199
about Alice Crowley and sort of the differences between the

1230
01:13:59.239 --> 01:14:03.039
two decks that are, you know, more commonly used, it

1231
01:14:03.079 --> 01:14:06.720
makes sense it comes from wealth and from power, and

1232
01:14:06.800 --> 01:14:10.560
so having sort of a more positive spin that might

1233
01:14:10.600 --> 01:14:11.239
make more sense.

1234
01:14:11.239 --> 01:14:13.119
It does make a lot of sense, And I feel

1235
01:14:13.159 --> 01:14:17.319
like that's maybe how like Sutro would feel too. So

1236
01:14:17.560 --> 01:14:23.960
is an acorn would peck a hoarding saving possessiveness like

1237
01:14:24.159 --> 01:14:28.960
museum This seems like museum status hoarding saving possessiveness. It

1238
01:14:29.000 --> 01:14:34.920
also says material security materialism security, but also insecurity boundaries.

1239
01:14:35.840 --> 01:14:38.439
Boundaries is interesting. I don't know why.

1240
01:14:38.439 --> 01:14:41.239
It just made me think of like a cliff like

1241
01:14:41.399 --> 01:14:42.960
doesn't really have a boundary.

1242
01:14:43.399 --> 01:14:46.840
I mean, doesn't it like it does as an edge?

1243
01:14:46.960 --> 01:14:48.720
Yeah, yeah, yeah it does.

1244
01:14:49.479 --> 01:14:51.199
You're right. Yeah.

1245
01:14:51.560 --> 01:14:55.680
The granary tree was beautiful, a thousand and one acorns,

1246
01:14:55.720 --> 01:15:01.319
all perfectly placed in perfectly sized alcoves. At sunset they

1247
01:15:01.359 --> 01:15:04.720
shone like drops of gold. At night, the woodpecker dreamed

1248
01:15:04.800 --> 01:15:08.439
of the pattern of their inlay, recalling clearly the placement

1249
01:15:08.560 --> 01:15:12.479
of everyone that he awoke feeling uneasy as he surveyed

1250
01:15:12.479 --> 01:15:17.079
his collection. His suspicions were confirmed in empty space, a

1251
01:15:17.159 --> 01:15:21.079
missing not in the lattice that wrapped the oak. This

1252
01:15:21.119 --> 01:15:24.520
would not do. The imperfection stuck in his mind like

1253
01:15:24.520 --> 01:15:28.359
a splinter of dry bark. What if winter stretched longer

1254
01:15:28.399 --> 01:15:32.359
than usual and he needed one more acorn to last

1255
01:15:32.439 --> 01:15:36.079
until the thought? One thousand and one acorns worn enough

1256
01:15:36.239 --> 01:15:39.720
to truly be secure? Now, he thought, flying off to

1257
01:15:39.800 --> 01:15:44.520
scrounch another one thousand and two sounds much better. So

1258
01:15:44.640 --> 01:15:49.000
just like more of that interesting collecting or things.

1259
01:15:49.199 --> 01:15:52.279
It's almost like what I think of as being like

1260
01:15:53.199 --> 01:15:58.079
a depression era mindset of like you know, you're saving

1261
01:15:58.199 --> 01:16:01.359
rubber bands and shit because we're not going to go

1262
01:16:01.439 --> 01:16:03.479
buy them, Like I have this one that came on

1263
01:16:03.520 --> 01:16:04.319
my newspaper.

1264
01:16:04.479 --> 01:16:07.279
Like it makes me think of like how people like

1265
01:16:07.399 --> 01:16:10.000
Sutro who are like a millionaire, if they were still

1266
01:16:10.039 --> 01:16:12.279
like that like hoarding and saving.

1267
01:16:12.039 --> 01:16:15.960
And yeah, I mean a more maybe coming from the

1268
01:16:16.000 --> 01:16:22.319
mentality of like millionaires don't become millionaires because they are

1269
01:16:22.520 --> 01:16:25.760
like wasteful, right, you know what I mean. He's an inventor.

1270
01:16:25.800 --> 01:16:29.199
So mm hmm. Okay, So this is going to be

1271
01:16:29.239 --> 01:16:34.319
interesting because we haven't really used our both deck or

1272
01:16:34.359 --> 01:16:37.279
the book. I don't think we've used the book itself

1273
01:16:37.319 --> 01:16:41.239
at all, but both Deck not a lot. Okay, So

1274
01:16:41.880 --> 01:16:47.359
four of discs also power. So there's a couple of

1275
01:16:47.399 --> 01:16:51.760
different it's sort of uh, divided into kind of sub

1276
01:16:51.840 --> 01:16:56.039
sections of keywords, and then we have interpretive and some

1277
01:16:56.199 --> 01:17:03.039
other like iconography and like different links to other like

1278
01:17:03.279 --> 01:17:10.520
esoteric things. It's yeah, it's it's interesting. So the kind

1279
01:17:10.600 --> 01:17:15.720
of bullet of the card overall it just says the

1280
01:17:15.760 --> 01:17:21.920
power of stability. There's a sub section for instinct and

1281
01:17:22.000 --> 01:17:27.319
it says security, which is very reminiscent of that little

1282
01:17:27.720 --> 01:17:33.640
P and W Deck story that you've read fixation and stability.

1283
01:17:34.000 --> 01:17:37.159
Stability is interesting, like before I lose the thought, just

1284
01:17:37.680 --> 01:17:40.439
the fact that in then power like reminded me of

1285
01:17:40.479 --> 01:17:43.880
like the explosion and then stability because it like ruined

1286
01:17:44.479 --> 01:17:47.159
some of the building and I'm sure, yeah, like it

1287
01:17:47.239 --> 01:17:48.039
wasn't quite.

1288
01:17:47.800 --> 01:17:50.840
Stable or I mean, it's a building literally built on

1289
01:17:50.880 --> 01:17:52.159
a cliff side.

1290
01:17:52.319 --> 01:17:56.000
But the big Castle one did survive an earthquake, so

1291
01:17:56.039 --> 01:17:57.600
it had to have been pretty stable.

1292
01:17:58.159 --> 01:18:03.359
So that's interesting. Yeah, over time, sort of that little

1293
01:18:03.560 --> 01:18:07.760
like cliff's edge where it is, I'm sure just I mean,

1294
01:18:07.800 --> 01:18:10.239
it's it's a coastal area. And this is kind of

1295
01:18:10.279 --> 01:18:14.159
a constant that we are I think aware.

1296
01:18:13.800 --> 01:18:18.520
Of, is that there's like erosion over time. I wonder

1297
01:18:18.560 --> 01:18:21.800
if that's part of like what is costing so much.

1298
01:18:21.920 --> 01:18:27.279
I wonder if that problems Yeah.

1299
01:18:27.119 --> 01:18:29.520
To me, that sounds like it would have to be

1300
01:18:29.600 --> 01:18:35.079
related to some sort of structural issues. But man, I

1301
01:18:35.079 --> 01:18:38.479
mean that's speculations all at this point. But Okay, So

1302
01:18:39.119 --> 01:18:46.600
our other sort of sub sections of keywords are goal, light, shadow,

1303
01:18:47.079 --> 01:18:53.640
and quality. Okay, for goal, we have completion of earthly

1304
01:18:53.840 --> 01:18:59.960
power through condensation of strength. Condensation is an interesting way

1305
01:19:00.039 --> 01:19:07.279
we're in this context. I think for light in perturbability,

1306
01:19:07.840 --> 01:19:12.880
which feels like somebody who just keeps rebuilding. Oh yeah,

1307
01:19:12.960 --> 01:19:16.199
you know, I remain unperturbed.

1308
01:19:16.119 --> 01:19:18.920
And like the goals, Like all of them had goals

1309
01:19:18.920 --> 01:19:22.079
to rebuild, and they all did so many times.

1310
01:19:23.319 --> 01:19:31.840
Shadow says compulsivity, stubbornness, and stagnation and quality, the strengthening

1311
01:19:32.079 --> 01:19:36.920
and all dominating power. I think power just in the

1312
01:19:36.960 --> 01:19:41.760
context of like this deck and knowing kind of some

1313
01:19:41.840 --> 01:19:47.720
of the historical overlap of the era between like literally

1314
01:19:48.199 --> 01:19:51.479
like the creation of both and some of that, you know,

1315
01:19:51.600 --> 01:19:57.720
the esotericism, and then like the historical background of this

1316
01:19:57.800 --> 01:20:01.680
story itself. With cliff Side, I'm like, oh, that's interesting. Yeah,

1317
01:20:01.680 --> 01:20:07.079
And it's like someone who ran for office, ye, the mayor. Yeah.

1318
01:20:07.119 --> 01:20:10.359
In the picture, the discs are portrayed as the four

1319
01:20:10.560 --> 01:20:17.479
corner towers of a fortress bird's eye perspective. Eh. The

1320
01:20:17.560 --> 01:20:22.239
discs themselves are square and thereby embody the furnace as

1321
01:20:22.279 --> 01:20:27.000
a symbol of stability and earthly reality. That this is

1322
01:20:27.039 --> 01:20:30.880
a living system is expressed by the symbols in the

1323
01:20:30.960 --> 01:20:37.159
four towers, representing the four elements water, fire, air, and earth. Wow,

1324
01:20:37.319 --> 01:20:42.640
all of that happened in this story tale. Yeah. The

1325
01:20:42.720 --> 01:20:47.239
motif shows the basic structure of the earthly city, the

1326
01:20:47.319 --> 01:20:52.640
human living space built an imitation of the divine Jerusalem.

1327
01:20:53.079 --> 01:21:01.760
Oh wow, Okay. Energetically, the fortress symbolizes the conde material

1328
01:21:02.039 --> 01:21:06.560
energy anchored in its form. The power of the four, however,

1329
01:21:06.680 --> 01:21:10.319
does not lie in the material itself, but rather in

1330
01:21:10.359 --> 01:21:13.239
the manner in which we give it structure and meaning,

1331
01:21:13.760 --> 01:21:17.279
and how we place it in the center of our considerations.

1332
01:21:17.760 --> 01:21:21.399
On the negative side, it corresponds to the attempt of

1333
01:21:21.640 --> 01:21:27.079
constructing one's own reality within the effects of the eternal

1334
01:21:27.359 --> 01:21:32.039
and idolizing it. Sudra, like everything that he built was

1335
01:21:32.720 --> 01:21:37.520
like his own personal like vision of this next part

1336
01:21:37.560 --> 01:21:40.760
is very much. It speaks to sort of like the

1337
01:21:40.880 --> 01:21:44.319
da Vinci of the camera obscura, and then also as

1338
01:21:44.319 --> 01:21:47.800
an inventor. Yeah, I was gonna mention that too, when

1339
01:21:47.800 --> 01:21:50.199
you said like light and shadow and things and like

1340
01:21:50.279 --> 01:21:54.399
reminded me of the camera. Yeah. On the positive side, however,

1341
01:21:54.760 --> 01:21:58.960
it is in accordance with the higher insight that such

1342
01:21:59.079 --> 01:22:02.760
models of thought in reality may be useful and helpful,

1343
01:22:03.239 --> 01:22:06.560
but should never be allowed to lay claim to being

1344
01:22:06.680 --> 01:22:12.479
the absolute truth. They should instead remain helpful models. The

1345
01:22:12.560 --> 01:22:17.079
inner level of this card represents us with the wholeness

1346
01:22:17.119 --> 01:22:20.720
of creation, which is interesting in the context of like

1347
01:22:20.840 --> 01:22:25.199
baths yeah, because that goes back to sort of it

1348
01:22:25.319 --> 01:22:29.720
has kind of a symbolic linkage with like being in

1349
01:22:29.760 --> 01:22:36.560
the womb. Wow, you're so esoteric apparently, and exploring the

1350
01:22:36.680 --> 01:22:42.119
hidden sense of it is the task of humanity. Wow, okay,

1351
01:22:42.640 --> 01:22:46.039
very esoteric. Like even the all of the interpretations are

1352
01:22:46.319 --> 01:22:49.600
I mean, it's wow. Whoever said this was more straightforward?

1353
01:22:49.760 --> 01:22:53.640
Is this book is I mean at least helping to

1354
01:22:53.760 --> 01:22:58.800
interpret but wow, to interpret the interpretations? Wow wow wow wow.

1355
01:23:00.159 --> 01:23:05.359
The professional sphere the four signified stability, structure, clarity, order,

1356
01:23:05.560 --> 01:23:10.279
and consistency. It is thereby an indication of phases of

1357
01:23:10.439 --> 01:23:16.079
consolidation in which what has been achieved is also secured. Additionally,

1358
01:23:16.439 --> 01:23:20.840
it indicates successful periods of work where plans are realized

1359
01:23:21.279 --> 01:23:28.359
and positions are expanded expanded. They did that. I'm like,

1360
01:23:28.399 --> 01:23:31.800
I found a word. I can I know something that

1361
01:23:31.880 --> 01:23:35.680
it's saying. Yeah, okay, so there. I'm not going to

1362
01:23:35.720 --> 01:23:37.560
go through all of these, but there is one that

1363
01:23:37.600 --> 01:23:42.199
I've already peeved. Okay, image the fortress though, I mean

1364
01:23:42.560 --> 01:23:44.800
a castle on a cliff side. Holy shit.

1365
01:23:45.119 --> 01:23:47.560
Just like the fact that it's talking about a building

1366
01:23:47.800 --> 01:23:50.680
is like so fitting, just like any building.

1367
01:23:50.920 --> 01:23:57.319
Analogy data lists. Forefather of the Greek sculptors and architects,

1368
01:23:58.840 --> 01:24:03.279
built labyrinth for King Minos.

1369
01:24:04.319 --> 01:24:07.680
I didn't include it, but there is a rock labyrinth

1370
01:24:07.680 --> 01:24:10.600
that lands in that you can like hike to and

1371
01:24:10.720 --> 01:24:13.800
it's like a little like like labyrinth in the rocks,

1372
01:24:13.960 --> 01:24:16.520
just so cool. It's not like big bushes or anything.

1373
01:24:16.520 --> 01:24:20.439
You can like see the path. But that's so interesting. Yeah,

1374
01:24:21.399 --> 01:24:22.560
that's that's all.

1375
01:24:22.399 --> 01:24:24.479
I have for you. I say that as if that

1376
01:24:24.600 --> 01:24:29.439
wasn't like the longest esoteric bullshit you've ever spewed. I mean,

1377
01:24:29.520 --> 01:24:33.439
there's there's a lot there too unpack. It is definitely

1378
01:24:33.880 --> 01:24:38.079
far more dense. It's not nearly as accessible as a

1379
01:24:38.119 --> 01:24:42.359
lot of the interpretations that we yeah find in our

1380
01:24:42.399 --> 01:24:44.520
other guide books.

1381
01:24:44.640 --> 01:24:47.319
Yes, so don't worry, we won't be like using that

1382
01:24:47.600 --> 01:24:52.840
all the time solely because I can't fucking understand the

1383
01:24:52.880 --> 01:24:53.560
path that ship.

1384
01:24:54.000 --> 01:24:57.319
I do think it's interesting though, when it specifically is

1385
01:24:57.359 --> 01:25:01.079
a card that, like in our main guidebook, there's some

1386
01:25:01.279 --> 01:25:06.039
understand alternate Yeah, so I think that's interesting. There's some

1387
01:25:06.159 --> 01:25:10.560
added context or insight there. The labyrinth was so interesting

1388
01:25:10.560 --> 01:25:12.319
because I was like, oh, I want to include that,

1389
01:25:12.439 --> 01:25:14.640
but it was just it's just a little kind of

1390
01:25:14.640 --> 01:25:15.000
a blur.

1391
01:25:15.159 --> 01:25:18.359
I've included a lot of things, so there's a lot,

1392
01:25:18.560 --> 01:25:20.439
there's a lot going on, but there's like a.

1393
01:25:20.399 --> 01:25:23.119
Ton of hiking in the area. So I want to

1394
01:25:23.159 --> 01:25:26.520
like go visit and find the little labyrinth and yeah,

1395
01:25:26.560 --> 01:25:27.560
I should show you after this.

1396
01:25:28.199 --> 01:25:32.399
Yeah, okay, well I think the thing. Yeah, let's go.

1397
01:25:33.439 --> 01:25:35.199
I feel like every time we're like, let's go eat

1398
01:25:35.319 --> 01:25:43.640
because we're stoleving. Yeah, basically, yes day.

1399
01:25:44.439 --> 01:25:47.720
We'll see you next Tuesday's day, You'll be here. We'll

1400
01:25:47.760 --> 01:25:50.359
be here. It's a whole thing unless you're lost in

1401
01:25:50.680 --> 01:25:54.880
you know, justin Selena Benny Hailey drama on TikTok Oh.

1402
01:25:54.960 --> 01:25:56.600
I thought you were going to say lost in a

1403
01:25:56.680 --> 01:26:00.319
labyrinth or lost in the labyrinth for sure, could be

1404
01:26:00.640 --> 01:26:03.399
you could be lost in a labyrinth and they're just

1405
01:26:03.439 --> 01:26:07.000
playing that on the loudspeakers, which I thought you bitny,

1406
01:26:07.479 --> 01:26:11.800
now get out of my head. No never, I can't,

1407
01:26:11.920 --> 01:26:14.640
I can't, I can't. No, I'm done. I'm done with

1408
01:26:14.680 --> 01:26:18.760
the brain rot for today, So goodbye bye.

1409
01:26:22.720 --> 01:26:26.119
I'll tell Taylor really quick. I wrote this episode and

1410
01:26:26.159 --> 01:26:28.479
then completely forgot to look.

1411
01:26:28.359 --> 01:26:32.439
Up the hauntings. This is haunts and homicide. You dumb bitch.

1412
01:26:33.760 --> 01:26:36.159
So that's what I did this morning when I woke

1413
01:26:36.239 --> 01:26:42.359
up in a panic remembering that I forgot. You're like, wait,

1414
01:26:42.560 --> 01:26:49.119
did we call the show Homicides and History hants? Homicides

1415
01:26:49.159 --> 01:26:51.880
in History actually would be a pretty good name. Yeah,