The Chateau at The Oregon Caves: Chilling History & Hauntings

0:00 So since there's like a stream running through that's gonna be carrying some energy right? Hmm and not to mention like all the marble and like limestone and crystals and stuff in the game. Yeah like that shit holds on to energy too. It's true. Speaking of holding on to energy it's time for some spooky stuff. Oh so this is where we learn that everything is haunted forever. Everything is haunted forever and ever. Hi Caitlyn. Hi Cassie. Hi creepy people. Hello. If you're new to our creepy corner of the world this is PNW Haunts and Homicides where we chat about true crime, the paranormal and all things creepy spooky in the Pacific Northwest and also bats and also bats. We also do a tarot reading in every episode for a little bit of deeper insight into our topic. Is our topic bats? I was just gonna say and sometimes also bats. We just really like bats. We're feeling it. Okay my episode we have bats. It's kind of funny because on my from my angle of you it's

1:32 just a little bat wings poking up over your head. Oh really? It looks like he just has a little wings. Should I take a picture of you? That girl. Yeah. Is that Halloween? It feels like Halloween. I like got really excited. Got it in the mood. But like I'm also kind of feeling the summer vibe lately with my episodes. You know last time we went hiking in the creepy redwood forest that we did a real PNW summer. Nature, adventure, naked bike ride. Not this summer. I was gonna say actually I'm really really sad news about that. It got canceled. It's really sad. I don't know why though. Well I'll tell you we have news. Tell me. So the bats? It's not a well. Some people might have bat wings fluffing around while they're naked. I don't know. Yeah that's fair. The Portland World naked bike ride has been canceled this year due to lack of volunteers.

2:42 Oh. Because it's it's huge. Like they have a ton of people. It's like the only time you can be naked in public and people are into it. So they need like a lot of volunteers to you know obviously. That's team. I heard. Yeah. They didn't have enough. So this is a call to action. Get your all's creepy naked butts out next year and volunteer for the naked bike ride. So we can go. As volunteers who will be fully clothed. Do you think we should volunteer? I wonder if the volunteers are they naked too? I mean get it. You don't have to be naked. Yeah. But I wonder. Well everyone volunteer because I would like to see this happen again. Okay well unfortunately this episode is not all about the naked bike ride. I was wondering.

3:42 I know. I just saw the news and I had to bring it up. Yeah. It's newsworthy. It is. As hard as I try to just like couldn't find any creepy stories involving a traveling mass of nudity. It just like there wasn't anything there. Okay. It's like no one. There's no like creepy naked dude stories. I was like. Huh. Interesting. Okay. I see where you're going. I see. I see now. Okay. It didn't actually look for those. Hopefully no one is creepy at the naked bike ride. I think everyone is. Yeah. Yeah. I my head immediately went to naked ghost scared sheetless. Yeah. That's the naked ghost. Scared sheetless. That was what Beetlejuice is going to be called. This was not planned. Y'all. There you go. I'm wearing never trust the living shirt which is from Beetlejuice. Yeah. But it had bats and like lanterns on it. It's perfect. So remind me of what we're going to talk about today which I almost gave away which I didn't mean to. I guess lanterns is another clue. Okay. Let's move on before you guys. Okay. So we did the nature thing with the redwoods and now we need some adventure summer. Right. Yes. Did I say naked or nature? You said nature. Okay. I think. Roll. I have

5:13 like a replay in my head of me saying. Okay. So we did the naked thing in the redwoods. But I think I said nature. This is that moment when I want to go roll that beautiful bean footage. Well, if I said naked, it'll be funny. I'm not redoing it. It's fun for everyone. I think. Well, we're going to have some more fun. So let's go pot-holing you guys. Pot-holing? Yeah. Pot-holing. You don't know what that is. My throat did that weird Predator thing. I heard it. And I'm like, hot. We all wear rear. It came from the pot hole. Oh, oops. Okay.

5:57 That's what they call it in the UK and Ireland. Okay. Here we call it spolunking. Oh my god. Like as it. Like what? Like the cave thing. I can't make words now. Yeah. Cave can make words. I can't. Exploring. It's like heights, but also confined spaces and doors have to be high. And it's just exploring a cave. Okay. Obviously people do extreme stuff like, you know, like diving down into the cave and crazy, it's squeezing and shit. But you don't have to do that.

6:40 But you don't. Don't. But you can. But don't. So 293 miles south of Portland, Oregon, almost to the border of California. Oh, hey girl. Long time no party. Yeah. On caves highway in the town of cave junction. Okay. Well, that feels a little heavy handed. If I'm being honest. Where are we going? Is the Oregon caves national monument? It's actually just one cave, but it's like, but a bunch of tunnels down there, but they call it caves. Okay. There are 133 national monuments in the US. I had to look it up because I was like, Oh, like how special is this national monument thing? And it turns out it's pretty special. Yeah. Yeah. So it's a pretty good thing preserves the cave. The cave's first recorded discovery was in 1874 by a man and his dog, Elijah and Bruce, which ones which that's what I was just thinking Bruce is the dog. Okay. Yeah. That that makes sense. Is it Elijah a cute name for a dog though? It would be. I know. I kind of want a dog now. Yeah. Oh, I don't.

8:00 I mean, I do. I actually tried to convince Chris to pull over on the side of the road the other day because we saw a bunny. Oh, wow. I don't know if it's wild, but it was it wasn't wearing a collar. Oh, let's put it that way. Okay. Sticky up ears are floppy. It has a little sticky up ears. Oh, that's a wild bunny. Well, I mean, not necessarily. Lots of bunnies have sticky up ears. Okay. It's not my fault that we had the holding pops growing up. Listen, I'm still mad because he said we would go get the bunny today and we didn't you can't have a bunny wants to be wild. Okay. Well, I've already tried to convince him to bring home a coyote. I thought that the bunny was a pretty good compromise.

8:50 You should get a new cat and it'll be like a raccoon. And then everyone in our house would die. So this is kind of a crazy story. All right. I will link it. Someone wrote out like a little story about what happened to him. So it's pretty cool. But all interesting. I'll kind of summarize it for you. All right. So Brucy technically was the one who found the cave. They were hunting in the Sisky Mountains. They had a camp with a bunch of other people who are also hunting, but they went off on their own. And Bruce goes sniffing off doing dog things, you know, how they do. Oh, right. I forgot. Bruce is the dog. Yes. I'm like, Bruce, he's a man.

9:41 Elijah's the man. Okay. And Elijah realizes that the dog isn't close by, but he can hear him barking. So he goes off to try to find him so they can head back. And so here's some barking in the distance. He goes toward the sound. And soon he comes upon a stream and it's flowing from a dark opening in the rocks. And he hears the dog barking again. Oh, and it sounds like it's from deep inside where the stream is coming from out of these rocks. Oh boy. But he also hears this is crazy. But he also hears something else inside. It's a freaking bear. He hears a bear growling inside in his dog barking. And then I think at one point the dog like whimper like winds. Oh no, Bruce. Yes. So obviously it's not going great for Bruce. Well, before that, let me just say we officially have a bear theme.

10:47 We really do. It's like what's going on. It's so weird. Well, I mean, I think we've established women are team bear. That's right. And we talked about bear in the last episode. Oh my gosh, it's so funny. Team bear. Oh, this gets even weirder. But so this saint of a man, of course, he has to go after his dog. Saint of a man, I think that's the bear minimum, but the bear minimum. Get it. But he's crawling into this dark hole in rocks where there's a stream. So it's like it's not just of course he goes after his dog, but like that's risky for your own life, right? Yeah.

11:32 So he goes into this bear apartment and and he proceeds to get lost and also runs out of matches, which were the only light he had. Okay, it's like nightmares. Literally. Yeah. Yeah, but like, why are we not traveling? Okay, I guess it's probably daylight 1874. Oh shit. Yeah. Yeah. And he wasn't expecting to go into a cave. He's out hunting his campus. Some I nearby. But the unexpected haven't got damn it. Bruce just look what you've done. Bruce is in the bear apartment. Just which is kind of like my apartment when he come into any room unexpectedly. You could be mulled. I didn't see you coming in. Yeah, I did. You were welcome though. Yeah, but I didn't get screamed up. I did scream. But like at her, but no, like at her. It doesn't sound like a bear. No.

12:45 Sound like a twiggy. If a twiggy could scream. Okay, so where was I? He ran out of matches. So he used to start crawling on the ground because it's so treacherous in there that he can't like just blindly walk, right? You're gonna trip. You're gonna step in a hole. You're gonna probably maybe fall even off a cliff. You don't know what's in there. I really hate that. Yeah, so he had a crawl in his hands and knees. It obviously freaking like would hurt and that sucks. Yeah, that sucks a lot.

13:27 But by some sort of cave angel miracle, he found the stream again, which he knew led out of the cave. So he knew he if he just followed that stream, he would be okay. And then I'm like, wait, is a cave angel a bat? Yeah. I think so. I think the bats stayed save them. He did. I had a visual of like the bats like picking him up and like flying him out of the cave. So he still went bats. I feel a lot about it. It would be like the balloon house and up. Yes. Yes. Let's redo up with that. Yeah. And make it like a spooky house. I kind of like it. He spent three hours lost in the cave. Crazy. Which like it doesn't seem like that long, which he did get pretty lucky and eternity. Yes. Yeah. If you're in there lost and you don't know where you're at, that's a really long time. Three hours. I would have several strokes. Yeah. But it wasn't like days. You know, like he didn't get lost down there for for that long. And the bear didn't find them. So that was also good. Yeah. I mean, great, great so far.

14:51 Well, the cave angels also looked out for our boy, Brucey too. Thank God. He came limping out of the cave after his daddy. He did have some cuts, but he he was okay. They were able to heal him up back at camp. So back at camp, he told them the story and no one really believed him. Okay. So he took one of them back the next day. They find the cave again and they see the bear. Shut the fuck up. Yeah. So the friend is like, oh, like, okay, you weren't lying. They thought he was lying about there being a bear. I mean, it's a crazy story. I am like I went and I found a cave in the recipe. I don't know. I mean, bears love caves from what I understand. Maybe the sky lied a lot. I don't know a lot of life. But they didn't just say and like, there were a lot more bears back then. I had no idea why. Maybe it was just a good story to say that they didn't believe them.

16:01 That okay, that makes sense. Well, either way, they shoot the bear. And now we're back to our other team of bear hunting. Okay. Great. I don't know. I don't know. Okay. Well, what caliber? Did they decide to shoot the bear? I don't have any fucking clue. Okay. Well, when I find out what the bear does next, that will tell me, will they kill the bear? Okay. So it's a dead bear. All right. Yeah. So they have like a shotgun. Yeah. I mean, without their hunting like big animals, I think. So I think it was. Yeah. All right. Yeah. So they were solid. Everyone was fine after that. And then the mountain where Elijah found this cave is now called Mount Elijah. I wish they named mountains after me. You got to find caves in them in 1894 or whenever the fuck I said, this is from nps.org, which I think is National Park Service. That sounds correct. I also meant to say dot gov nps.gov. Oh, yes.

17:09 What did you say the first time? Oh, nps.gov. All right. Quote. Eons of acidic water, seeping into marble rock created and decorated the wondrous marble halls of Oregon. That is a nickname for the cave. Because the cave was formed in limestone that has turned into marble due to a process called metamorphism. Isn't that cool? I had no idea. I love that. There's just like, I don't know, marble's marble. Yeah. I didn't. It used to be limestone. Okay. Marble facts. Marble facts. I knew you would like it. I picked it for you too. We love marble so much here. We're like kind of obsessed.

17:59 We didn't even know it with limestone. Now color yourself a marble fan. Yeah. I feel like kind of a poser you are. That's like when somebody's like, oh, you like that band? Three songs. Right. The cave reaches about 15,000 feet underground. That's too many. It's full of stalactites and stalagmites. You remember those from school? Pretty. You know those drippy downy there in the cave. They're so cool. I want one. I want one. I think I have to like tighten a slight white. Yeah. One grows from the ceiling. One grows from the floor. Don't ask me what I want one like right here. Yeah. Like if we just have one of like marble. I mean, marble's like all well and good and everything. But I want like the drippy thing. Yeah. You know. It's so mysterious.

19:00 Also, you know, it's down in caves. Who knows what kind of creepy crawlies? I was going to say something grows. Right. And bats though. And bats. There's so many bats in caves. But they're so cute. But I would probably fully piss my pants if I came into contact with the bats. Sky puppies. They're so cute. But like if they're flying like into you and you're like, are you a mosquito? I mean, I'm very attractive to mosquitoes. Apparently my blood is delicious. Just call me Bella. Well, it's a bat apartment too. It's not just a bear apartment.

19:44 Actually, it's probably more like a bat dorm. Oh, I like that. Bat frat. Yeah. Bat frat. I like it. But there's some important bat information on the website nps.org.gov. So it says nps.gov/orca. I think that's where I'm getting confused. No, that would fuck me up. It's what would fuck me up so hard. I'm going to quote again from nps.gov. Help save our bats. Help save our bats. Save the bat. North America's bats are under attack from white no syndrome. Let's see. Bat disease. And to prevent the spread, please do not bring close, even washed clothes, shoes or equipment used in any and any used in any other cave mine or any other bat habitat. So just like, if you're going from cave to caves, plunking around, just have different clothes. Don't transfer clothes. Even if they're washed, yeah, even if they're washed, I guess they still can have stuff on them. Well, yeah, I don't know. It's really sad. I don't want the bats today.

21:05 The bats die. We don't like what are we going to do? Like, I don't know. Be eaten. They're like pollinators. There are a few tours you can take in the cave. There's Discovery Cave Tour, Twist, Stoop and discover the dark depths with a guide. So you'll have a guide. I was like dark depths. I thought you were going to just say guy for a second. I was like with a guy. He's got his name. Like why the emphasis on one guy. One guy. I give a couple different tour guides. Just one guy. It is actually like a Ranger tour guide too. So it's not just like a random guy.

21:49 Some high school kid like taking you through a dangerous cave. It's like an actual Ranger. Okay. Yeah. So like feel safer. That's the tour I want to take. Well, this next one is the tour I want to take. Candle light cave tour. And they've done a haunted one too. It was like in 2015 that I found so I don't know if they if they still do anything like that. But they do a candle light cave. Candle light. Yeah. I'm sorry. I want it. I want to sell that. How you go through your candle? Like I can't. But I trip over my own feet. Like maybe you're not the person who would go on the candle like she's like you're not invited. You dumb bitch. Maybe if you trip on things you shouldn't walk around in the dark cave with a candle. I'm a fire. Wow. So ableist you guys.

22:42 Also if you're going with kids and stuff they do have a kids and family tour. Oh yeah. Which is easier I assume. I can't do that one either. But they also if you really like adventure you can go on the off trail cave tour. Squeeze through tight spaces crawl on your belly and explore the deepest depths. Echo. I would not go on that. I'm not that adventurous to yeah. I don't want to squeeze. Yeah, I don't let know squeezing. I'm okay with spiders and creepy crawlies. No, I don't want to. No.

23:28 Squeeze past them or touch them. No. Brush up. Yeah. I'm good with that. No. And then I've also heard I'm going to have to look up the name and information and everything about the spillunking case. But there was somebody who really sadly died in a cave. That happens a lot. Yeah. It's awful and scary. It's not good. There is also lodging at the Oregon Caves National Monument called the Chateau. Oh. While the caves are still open the Chateau has been closed since 2018 for constructions and renovations. They ran into some pretty big structural issues when they started renovating and much more than they anticipated needed to be done. Meaning a much much much larger budget. Oh, what? Yeah. It's not there. Also interest rates are really high for what?

24:40 For everything. Oh, interest rates are high. If you need to borrow money. Oh, for borrow. Yeah. For like, you're like for what? A room of cars. I don't know. By the hotel. I don't know. Are they charging interest on our hotel rooms? Yeah. They had a I think like tax money, you know, for rebuilding like a historic place. Oh, sure. I'm pretty sure they had like a budget for that. But it just ended up funding. Yeah. It ended up just not being enough for what needs to be done. So they had to stop construction last March. And I think they were planning when they closed in 2018. They were planning to reopen. I think in 2023 or 2012. I can't remember one of those, but they were planning to reopen pretty soon. Yeah. But they just ran out of funds last year. Oh, no. So they are currently raising funds to finish the project so they can reopen the beloved, beloved, beloved, that's beloved and historic. I didn't need to do that. I love it. This beloved, this beloved lodge.

25:56 My brain really loves that. Yeah. You know, like why use many words when we've established I am Kevin in the best way possible. I'm just wait. I will get you with the chili one day. Oh, I love a good chili on your floor. That's what I thought. She's like on your wedding dress. So there is a website. It's like friends of the Chateau or friends of the Oregon caves or I'll link it. But they're the ones who are like helping raise the funds, doing all the things. They're the websites. Awesome. They have a place to donate just money. They have a place where you can volunteer or volunteer. You can sponsor one of their chairs. They have really historic old furniture and they've lost a bunch of them in a flood. No. Yeah. So they're reconstructing them, making finding other ones, rebuilding some. But you can sponsor one and then you will get your plaque on it. That's so cool. They have a bunch of different ways that you can support. Obviously, we've donated because we have to. We're talking about it. We have to link all the things. So please donate if you want and or if you can. Not if you want. If you can. If you can and if you want. So we can all go and stay at this picturesque six story lodge with 23 rooms, a fine dining with views over

27:34 a wooded canyon and a 1930s era coffee shop. Like I need that coffee shop back. I need it. I've never been there. But I like really need to go. But I need it. And I think it was like 1930s because it was built in the 30s. You know, it's not like they made it themed the 30s. Yeah, there are like funds of 30s. Yeah. Let's just when it existed. And if you know, if they don't rebuild this stuff, it's just going to turn into a creepy, dilapidated old building and as much as I really love those. It really do. Yeah. I hate to see this place end up that way. Yeah. Something historic that easily could be saved. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know about easily. It's a lot of money. You guys, it'll easily could be saved. Okay. Yeah. I hope. I hope so. Like I'm hoping even if they raise the money that like they can fix the things that are wrong in there because they yeah. And I think they need to like update it for like earth things and stuff too, which that's really important. Oh, seismic. Yeah.

28:45 seismic upgrades are no joke. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and the tough thing is I will say this even in buildings where you don't have to upgrade the building itself for seismic. The city of Portland and the state of Oregon in general is very strict. And they knew they added new laws. That's I think one of the things they said aside from the eventual finished product during construction. If part of the building is habitated, it needs to be up to the new standards in a lot of situations. So that is really expensive for you know, temporary structures, temporary features of the building that you know, they're not quite done with renovations. I've seen how this can impact other projects.

29:50 Yeah. That's it's tough because you want buildings to be safe. No, yeah. Yeah. You can't just have this building, especially where it's at. We'll get into like where how it's situated, but and it's like above a cave. So yeah, you kind of need the thing to be a little sturdy, you know, I'd like it to be. Yeah. I would too because I like really need I want to go to there. I want to go to there. I actually try. Okay. So my mom had been there before and I asked her for pictures that she can't find them. I'm bringing up my mom again. It's another theme. Mem. So in 2020, I was, you know, we're looking for places to go. I think it was maybe 2021. Yeah, it was after like the big shut down.

30:39 It was when things were starting to open back up and I just wanted to go somewhere where it was like wasn't too crowded. It was outdoors. Yeah. And so I was like, oh, I want to go to the caves. I've never been like look it up. And I'm like, I'm like, oh, it's going to reopen. We're getting there. We're getting there. And then then I go look at look it up. I'm like, oh, she's steaming it. They're still not open. It's sad. So yeah, everyone don't like the shadow was built in 1934. It is adjacent to the entrance of the Oregon Caves National Monument. And it is a national historic landmark in one of the National Park's great lodges, which like I didn't know that was a thing.

31:30 That's cool. Apparently, like at the National Park places, they have like lodges and they're called like the great National Park's great lodges. So yeah. Yeah. So this building is built like off of a cliff. So the front is three stories. And then the back side of the building is six stories. Oh boy. Or floors. I don't know. Stories and floors are the same. Yeah. I mean generally speaking. Yeah. Say floors. I don't know. Yeah. It was built over the stream. And it actually flows through the building. It flows through the dining room. That sounds so cool. But also I'm not so sure that that's for me. What? It's it's very the dining room is like super fancy. It's not like it would be like a run like a bunch of water rushing through. No, no, no, no, I'm sure. I'm sure. But I'm like, it's a little intimidating. It's a little bit like it's a stream. I think I don't think it's like a white water rapid. Well, sure. Right now. That's a stream. I know that our waterways, like they change over. Yeah. I don't know. This building was freaks me out a little bit since 1934. And I don't think they've had issues with it. Or I didn't read any of them. It sounds so cool. But I feel like it would put me on edge. I don't know. I think it's so cool. It sounds so cool. Like I want to go to there.

33:03 But I feel like there'd be a little part of my lizard brain that would be a little bit scared. And that's like the same stream that saved Elijah. So like it's a good stream. You know, it's probably cool. It's like it's probably going to be chill. Yeah. All right. All right. So since there's like a stream running through, that's going to be carrying some energy, right? And not to mention, like all the marble and like limestone and crystals and stuff in the community. Yeah. Like that shit holds on to energy too. It's true. Speaking of holding on to energy, it's time for some spooky stuff. Oh, so this is where we learn that everything is haunted forever. Everything is haunted forever.

33:50 And so it's an old wood building. The floors creak. The piping is loud. The wind kind of whistles through the trees. And you know how it is. It probably gets through the windows and the little crevices and cracks making a bunch of noise everywhere. So noisy. So there's that kind of stuff going on. The staircases and hallways are apparently narrow and dimly lit. It kind of like kind of like the man race a, called man race a castle that went to like the hallways and stairways were like narrow, dimly lit, very creepy, spooky vibes. And I read in one person's blog that there was a random window to nowhere in the hallway ceiling. I'm sorry what? Yeah. And I think it was like that. It must have been the top floor because it said no light came from it and it looked like it was the attic.

34:52 So like there was like a window to the attic in the hallway ceiling. I don't know. Yeah, I also don't know. Like any more details. Is this like maybe they were fixing something and so they cut a hole out and it's like they put some plexiglass over it to that. I don't know. What that sounds like in unintentional skylight like right to the attic. I don't I don't know. I don't know why. I don't even know if this is true. It's just something I ran someone's blog. Well, I guess we have to go. We have to go. We have to go. But what if they fixed it? I want creepy windows into the attic. God for bed.

35:39 They do have one ghost. Just like a singular ghost. Just one ghost. One ghost that is talked about anyway. There might be other things around but they're not like really mentioned. I don't think. All right. And like I said, every haunted place has to have this one ghost or it just isn't haunted and they listened. Okay. This is a woman in white situation. Again. Or some people actually call her the blue lady. So I guess she appears blue sometimes. Oh, interesting. And no one actually like called her the woman in white. They just call her Elizabeth.

36:28 That's her name. It's just like this is like the woman in white. Stereo. Do we know how she spells Elizabeth normally? The normal way. Which is not Caitlin's middle name. That's the normal way. Is your middle name spelled that way? I don't know because you won't tell me how it's spelled. Oh, how is yours? It's spelled Elizabeth. I don't know how do you spell Elizabeth differently than a L-I-Z-A-B-F. Okay. Some people spell it with an S instead of the Z. Oh, I've never seen that before.

37:08 Sorry. Oh yeah. It's just like it's like the normal way. I don't know what you're talking about. I was like like trust me. My name is Elizabeth. I know that people spell it other way. I was like this isn't a Caitlin situation. I'm like, I mean it isn't. I guess I've never seen Elizabeth spell it. I don't know that. Never encountered that. Like people have fully been like, oh, you spell it that way? Weird. Elizabeth was on her honeymoon with her new husband. On her honeymoon? On her honeymoon. God damn it. In room 310 of the chateau in the 30s. So like right after they opened on their wedding night, he got into some shady shenanigans with a housekeeper. What? Yeah, this piece of shit.

37:57 A bunch of boys. Well. So other things. Yeah, other other other sad things. So she went looking for him because it's like it's their wedding night. Like where did he go? And she found them together. So like did he know this housekeeper? And like that's like why he wanted to stay on his honeymoon there? Was it just like I need something else to like stick my dick in right now? I mean he's probably just a scoundrel. It's like it's your honeymoon. You have like you have some that's what they're there for. I mean, I just have to do it on your honeymoon. But like yeah, I don't know. Yeah, no, that's maybe she said no, maybe she was tired and he just went off and was a dick bag.

38:43 I don't know. Like an entire bag of dicks. Yeah. Wow. But yeah, that's awful. And obviously, Elizabeth was heartbroken and her life had just started and she thought like you know, this is the beginning of my fucking life. And then yeah, I'm ripped away from her. Oh, by such a dick. I'm so frustrated by such a bag of dicks. Even though I know it's allegedly. I don't know. But still, this happens. It would make me mad. I feel like even if it didn't happen here and now like it's happened. Like under these specific parameters or circumstances, you know that that legend comes to life for a reason. Yeah. Cosmen. I know. Cosmen. Cosmen are what? Trash. Trashpin. We should have that on every altar. Yeah, we'll just slap it on there. So Elizabeth ran to their small top room floor, which is like another weird thing someone pointed out is like, why were they in this tiny like attic room for their honeymoon? Because of the view. Right. I don't know. I don't know. Like, there were bigger rooms. I'm sure. Maybe. I just really hate having to keep saying this over and over with this type of story. But some people might be new to go stuff. So I don't want to just like

40:15 say, you know what happens? Because maybe you don't. So I mean, don't you know, don't you? You're a close story as you might not know. Are you? Are you new to earth? Maybe. Maybe. Okay. That's fair. She might be. I don't want to make aliens feel weird. Yeah. Okay. What if an alien is listening to us and you just you just offended the shit out of them? I apologize. I got you. So she either ran up to the room so devastated that she felt like she had no other choice but to jump from the window to her death. Oh my god. He's so not worth it. I know. But like, you know, how was and I would say like there is another option. But like back then and even now it's like a really hard choice. I mean, also just the devastation. And like, you know, that was her that was the beginning of her life. Like she thought it was going to be one way and then now it's all the same. Not in you're just, I don't know, you could be impulsive and it's really. Did you, did you pick this one because? No, I didn't pick it. I picked it because they need donations. That's so funny because I definitely picked a case specifically because of the timing. Oh, and I'm, I'm gonna fuck raise up with it. Yeah, I kind of joked about picking like honeymoons and wedding stuff but I didn't mean to. It just happened. No, yeah, truly. Yeah, I was like, I mean, I've had

41:48 this case saved for a while. I guess things just come into a lapse. Just happens like with all the bear themes. We don't know where it comes from. They'll just show up in all the stories. I mean, like you can't make that up. I could not have known that that one guy was like a bear hunter. Yeah, I had to dig and that was just a random thing. It just like popped up. It's lovely. You're out of this right now. I was like, also bears. We've got something we're really excited to share with you guys. Let's hear a few words from our new pod besties. A little bit that, although, is a podcast about a little bit of everything for curious minds of all ages. I'm Christina and you can tune in every weekday to learn about things like Cinco de Mayo, Chihuahua's, Advocanos, and Latin America.

42:34 Episodes are bite size 10 minutes long or less and always Latin American related. Subscribe and follow a little bit of the total podcasts wherever you listen to podcasts. Check them out creepy people. Their info is in our show notes. But back to sad stuff. Oh, right. So either way she passed away, either if she did it on her own or there's another version of the story is that she went up just to pack her things and leave and he pushed her. Okay, so it's definitely like an out the window scenario. Okay. Yeah. On the top floor of the Chateau, guess sometimes here, let's steps above them. But again, like it's either the attic or like the roof above you on the top floor. So there shouldn't be any footsteps. Back there.

43:30 Just be like raccoons, right? I mean, I guess. Yeah. But I think with the building being so old and all of the noises that it makes that the footsteps would have to be like pretty clear. And people also hear not just footsteps, they hear crying sounds. Oh great. So of like maybe a one of many or possibly a child, but probably a young woman. Cool. Guess and staff who have ran into Elizabeth spirit say that she's like not very nice. Oh, which like, yeah, I wouldn't be really when I like that. But she kind of ended her life in a terrible way after ending her marriage for a trash and a whole way. So I, you know, I probably wouldn't be the happiest either. Yeah, I mean, I feel like that's fair. Yeah. But I do have some great news for you. Okay. I really do. This is actually really good news. I mean, first of all, I don't believe you, but go on. No, it's so we can't stay here because they say that if someone checks into Elizabeth's room, 310, that you won't be getting a ghostly bunk mate. Because she will leave the room. If someone's in there, she doesn't want to be around it. People she's like, oh, she goes and she wanders the halls of the hotel.

45:04 So, you know, once you're in the room to stay in there, don't leave and she won't bother you. Okay. But one place she does like to frequent is the third floor linen closet. And people say, they hear the hear sounds of moaning and crying coming from inside. Oh, no. So I don't know if maybe the moaning sounds are like her husband and the housekeeper doing it. And then she finds them and she starts crying or maybe the moaning is like the crying and she's just hiding in the closet because she doesn't know where else to go or I don't know. But that would make sense for like the housekeeper to be doing it in a linen closet. I hate that. I hate it. I hate it so much.

45:53 But you don't have any reason to go in the linen closet. So you don't have to worry. We'll just worry now I have to because I just need to check. I have to know. She does also like to spend time terrorizing the kitchen. Here she likes to drop stuff on staff's heads. Rude. Paying special attention to the people who don't believe in or disrespect her in some way. Okay, well, I mean, that makes sense, but also still. Rude. Like don't, don't fuck with the ghost. Yeah, just be nice. There are people too, okay. One of these days, I'm totally going to die at the hands of a ghost that my future husband mocked. I'm going to die because of something supernatural.

46:49 The Christopher was like, baby, baby, baby, baby. Okay. Well, we can't take him with us. No. We don't want stuff dropped on our heads. I don't. She also bangs pots and pans and rattles doors in the middle of the night. I'm glad you finished that sentence. She bangs and pans. She bangs. I really wasn't sure where that was going. Okay, now we're just going to go to the shuttle and sing she bangs to Elizabeth and hope she doesn't hate us. I think she would like that. She, like, it's a coin toss. I don't know. Maybe she never did get to bang. Oh, no. Our situation. That's true. I didn't mean it a list of it. I'm so sorry. I beg, I beg.

47:40 Yeah. We bang. We bang. Collectively. Join us if you wish and no judgements either way. So I don't know why she bangs on pots and pans and stuff. But I'm like, what if she's just celebrating the new year or COVID health care workers? Maybe time's just a little different for her. I'm trying to think of other occasions when you bang pots and new years and to celebrate COVID health care workers. That's it. That is it. Yeah. Like this definitely was before COVID. The time would have to work really different in the afterlife. So we don't know. They caught some photo evidence of Elizabeth in a storage area of the lodge. I don't know if it's the linen closet. They just set a storage area.

48:29 But I like to think maybe it was the linen closet. It's the linen closet. And the photo used to be kept in a hauntings log at the front desk. Shut the fuck up. I don't know if they still would do that or not. Shut the actual front door. Yeah. I know. I didn't find the photo. So that would be cool if I had it, right? But I don't. But they say it. But they say that when she appears, she's obvious. She looks really sad, which is understandable. Yeah. And she looks innocent. She looks young. She has blonde curly hair. I don't why they say she looks innocent. Maybe because she's just like a young person.

49:11 Because they're like she was on her honeymoon. Yeah. And the groom was, you know, fangin' it out with more innocent than that guy. Oh, and she's wearing clothes that are like of the 30s in the photo that they caught her in. They die for her. And people see her. And a little girl that was a guest at the chateau left an interesting crayon drawing in the haunting log. Stop it. Elizabeth, she likes to make things a little bit difficult for the housekeepers. And I can't imagine why. Yeah. I mean, what? Why would she have a, what's that called? You have a grudge or grudge against the housekeepers. I just, I don't know why. Yeah. She will again bang. She, you know what? I just thought of this. She does bang. She probably doesn't know bang like this.

50:10 She probably knows bang as like. So if we sang she bangs her, she would be like, yeah. She bangs. I do bang. And she would say bang on stuff. Yeah. That's how we're gonna go, so we're just gonna sing Ricky Martin songs out loud to the go. Again, she bangs on the closet doors while the housekeepers are trying to clean. So she just, she keeps bangin' on shit. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's fair. And then she's gonna stop there. Because once they finish and lock the door behind them, she will make the beds, unfold the towels and toss them around the room. She like is pissed off at the housekeepers. Like nod shy about that. That is not the same girl. That is not the same girl.

50:55 Like you need to let it go. You mean she's just, yeah. She's going through some stuff. That is the definition of a grudge. Yeah, it really, really is. But I thought person, I thought person's not around anymore. That's what I'm saying. I wonder if she still worked at the hotel after and like she did fuck with her after. And then I don't know. I'm curious. We need to go ask her. So I also do have to say that there are no official records of any deaths in the building. So I do want to say that just to everyone knows, isn't this in a fairly like isolated or burrow location? Yeah. Interesting.

51:42 I don't know. I don't know what happened back in the 30s. I don't want to play them on anybody. No one does. Yeah. No one knows that happens. It's kind of the whole thing. All I'm saying is there's no record of it. So take that as you will. I went to website national parks travelers dot org and it is not org of the same. Okay. National parks traveler dot org. And there's a person's comment on here and they didn't know about the ghost hack for this place that I found for you, Caitlin. A ghost hack. Yeah, the ghost hack where you stay in Elizabeth's room. She leaves. Oh, that's the ghost hack.

52:26 So this person didn't know that. Since 2012 they wrote this comment that the front desk checked them into room 310 and told them it was the haunted Elizabeth's room. So they went up to check it out and quickly came back down to change rooms. I they didn't say anything happened but I just think they didn't like want to stay in a haunted room. Okay. They said when they slept in this other room they got terrible sleep. And then the staff told them that there was an entity in that room that torments people. Oh, I don't know if this is like a different entity or if this is Elizabeth and she's not in her own room. She's often like someone else's room. Yeah. I don't know. They should have stayed. They should have stayed with the devil, you know, you know. I think so. Especially since now we know in hindsight that room 310 is probably the best place to stay if you don't want activity.

53:29 I mean, I guess there was another comment on this website. My late spouse, Lauren Parton and I stayed at the chateau in the 1980s. We read and heard nothing about any haunting, which was it was the 80s. I don't know. Do they really like report on like haunted stuff that? I feel like it was mostly like urban legends and myths. You know, red it wasn't around to, right? But so the story hadn't gotten to them yet. Okay. They go on to say, we can up in the middle of the night, we heard a woman pacing in our room up and down, up and down. Oh boy. Until we finally returned to sleep.

54:11 When we reported this the next morning, our breakfast server asked if we wanted to see something really spooky. Nope. All good. I said yes. And this is not me. They said yes. Oh boy. He took me to what I recall as a light-filled room without furniture. The hotel never rented. The moment he opened the door, I was frozen in terror. I couldn't even enter the room. Everyone responds the same way, he said, closing the door. Other servers said that they have to duck when cutlery sometimes flies from the drawers when they set the breakfast tables. Believe me, this is no publicity stunt. I mean, the place isn't even open at this point. So why would they even need a publicity stunt? Okay.

55:05 We're going to go on to another story that was submitted in 2021. Obviously they weren't staying there in 2021 because the hotel was closed. It says, I had written a long story and it disappeared. What? Not surprising. So they had already commented a story and it's gone. Oh yeah. So I wonder if they had commented when it originally had happened. I don't know. I have pictures of Elizabeth in room 309. No, you don't. Nope. Nope. So Elizabeth's room is 310. But remember, I said that she leaves. So maybe she went to 309 because she won't go a sleep gap. Remember, we talked about that too.

55:49 Oh jeez. She just needs some ghostly gab in her life and I get it. Also, we should just start a podcast called ghostly gab ghostly gab. I love that. Oh yeah. I don't know how much more ghostyness I can handle. Well, we could start this. Someone else can host it. And then we'll just get the profits. Yeah. GM GM. So Elizabeth apparently is talking to this person because they say she told me she had just married her husband because she was pregnant. I have three photos of Elizabeth materializing. The sadness will remain until she and her child are acknowledged somehow. Oh.

56:37 So there's no record or any other story saying she was pregnant, but I guess this person is kind of like psychic or can talk to the dead and they somehow got from her that she was with child. So that makes the story even more sad and fucked up. And I want to believe that's not true. Yeah. That's awful. How do you cheat on your pregnant new wife? Wow. Gosh. Like you are a double dirt bag dick. And real. DDD. I'm next. I'm going to read a comment from your ghost stories.com. And this is from 2016. Coming to the chateau, I knew nothing of its history. Y'all need to just look up haunted hotels before you go anywhere. I mean, or just look up at places that you're going to stay.

57:26 Yeah. Even if you aren't quite sure that they're haunted. Just type in the place and then haunted after it just to make sure, you know, or you know, maybe just like try going beyond like the hotels actual like their website in the search result. Yeah. What if there's other stuff that's happened there? Like maybe it's not haunted, but what if there's other stuff you should know about? That's true. All my whole family knew was it was a really old hotel by the Oregon Caves. Which it is. That is true. Since the moment we walked in and checked in, I felt uncomfortable. I couldn't tell you why, but I felt there was someone there everywhere. Taking time to explore, I would walk around the lobby, upstairs from the dining room. Everything was normal and busy, but no matter how hard I tried, I could never sit by walk by or stand by the piano without getting chilled. That's so funny because as soon as you said everywhere, I was like Michelle Branch. Oh. She plays the piano. I'm just saying coincidence.

58:38 I think no. I think so. The feeling I kept getting every time I was around or in the chateau made me uncomfortable enough to beg my parents to leave and not stay the night. Wow. Yeah, you make that whole trip up there. You're not leaving. Yeah, that's a lot. I mean, you'd have to be really uncomfortable. Yeah. And it's like out there. Like if you look it up, it's quite a way, like a drive from the main town that's close by. So yeah, you're not leaving. There's no where else to stay. No. You stay in the cave? Oh my god. No. The bad apartment. That night when I went to bed in my room, in my own room. I was 12 at the time. No matter how hard I tried, I couldn't get to sleep. The whole night, I just kept hearing the couple upstairs. Okay. Yelling at each other, stomping around and slamming doors.

59:30 Were they stomping or were you 12 and you didn't know what those voices were? I don't know. When I talked to my parents the next morning about it, they told me they hadn't heard a thing. This being hard to believe because the couple was so loud. Oh boy. Chocking it up to maybe my imagination in a dream I made to match my uneasy feelings. I think the parents were too embarrassed. I think they did hear something and they were like, we didn't hear anything because we don't want to explain those voices. Well, I don't think they were sex noises. Well, we'll talk about it. That was my favorite theory. Or yeah, we'll go over it. It's kind of my only theory. So, well, I have one.

1:00:26 My family and I brushed the incident off. As we were checking out, my dad who loves to share began retelling my tale to the receptionist who began to laugh. She just mentioned that the chateau was known for being haunted, which they didn't know this previously. Okay, that's right. All right. The only thing that convinced my parents I wasn't dreaming was after leaving the chateau, we looked up the story and then found out the tale of Elizabeth in her estranged fiancee. I don't know. Which I think they were married. I think they're already married. Yeah, they're newlyweds. Yeah.

1:01:07 Right. Yeah. But you can see how overtime that sort of gets. It's like a game of time. Right. Right. Yeah. They're like married, engaged. Same thing. Tomato, tomato. Whose room just happened to be beside mine? So, they were staying right next to Elizabeth's room. So, my theory was that this was like the, them fighting about, you know, what had happened about him cheating on her and she was like, you a scoundrel. Yeah. He was like hearing the residual fight from that night. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Probably more sense than my theory, but like, I don't know. Because having angry sex, I don't know. They could have been still a residual haunting, fighting and having angry sex. Or maybe it's the sounds of him boning that housekeeper and then she'd find them and then they fight. Yeah. The wires or just like the wires got crossed and there's just like everything all of the events of that night just being funneled into well, all time is happening all at once. So, oh my god. Okay. I need some more. I'm just gonna say because anyone need a speaker drink for a drink. Alright, I have one more thing about the chateau and the caves. There's a recorded Bigfoot siding in the vicinity of the chateau. Really? Yes.

1:02:39 There is a documentary from the dailycurrier.com on psychologist Matthew Johnson's Bigfoot siding at the Oregon caves. Really? Yes. Okay. And that's not just like any old yokel. I mean, he's a psychologist. Yeah. So that means he's like basically an expert in the outdoors. Yeah. You know? Just saying toast. Like, what are you gonna do when you find Bigfoot? Like, lay him on a couch and ask your about his childhood. I mean, maybe. I feel like I would. Why are you so anti-social? Yeah.

1:03:21 You're very misunderstood. What would you like people to know about you? How do you feel about yeah? Anyway, that's possible. I guess. That was more Diane Sawyer than it was like psychologist, but yeah. You know, okay. Well, I know potato. I feel kind of bad. I'm not, I'm not like making fun of them. It's just like the situation about a psychologist. Like the fact that it's like a psychologist. Interesting. Yeah. But interesting. This man was actually kind of on the verge of tears talking about it because he was so scared witnessing what he thinks was Bigfoot. And he was like, everything I knew about the outdoors has like changed forever because of this thing I had witnessed that I previously, you know, didn't think was a thing that existed in the world and know what that does. Yeah. That does change your perception. I guess I didn't think about that. Yeah. It's kind of freaky. Yeah.

1:04:17 There's also something called the Southern Oregon Bigfoot Experience. Okay. It's like a museum, like a Bigfoot Museum. Okay. That could be fun. I'm going. Okay. Now let's let's do. Let's go. We got to take another break. I have a name actually, but well, what if I tell you there's also Yeti's ice cream and treats in town? Wait, when they say Yadis, what are they? It's just the name of the ice cream place is Yadis. Yadis ice cream and treats. I was like, there's like a Yadis store and then also an ice cream shop. It's not like Yadis like your cups or, you know, but I was like, that's confusing in this context just because like Bigfoot and then we're talking about you, you get it. You get it.

1:05:05 Yeah, but Yadis kind of like a big foot. It's like the same interchangeable, you know, that's what I was thinking. But Yadis are like in the snow. So it's like ice cream. Makes sense. Yes. Make a total sense. But they kind of, I think they should have named it Yadis ice cream and sweet treats. Because it just sounds like I keep wanting to say something more than treats. It just needs to be sweet treats, you know. They just go together. I like it. Well, anyway, that's my story and I think everyone should definitely go donate to the chateau to get this, get this lady rebuilt. Get her up and running again so we can stay in her gorgeousness. Give her a monterogical. Do you think we should do some tarot? Yeah. Let's do a little batty tarot. Yeah. Ooh. What does that entail? What's your batty shit? Batty shit. Let's get batty in this bitch. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So I went to shuffle and even though this deck is like the size of standard cards, um, had a couple of peppers there. So we've got two cards. We've laid out already on the altar and Cassie's, Cassie's wrapping up.

1:06:31 We got the 10 of hearts in the two of diamonds as our poppers. All right. She's picking a card. Pick a card and he can't. Which card will it be? It's a frog. Okay. So I'm using not a tarot deck today, but I'm using a deck of cards called the cabinitarian. And it's like a weirdo creepy deck and we got it from the um hop scotch place in Portland. That's right. I knew I recognized her. Yeah. It's really cute. So the two poppers we had, Caitlin, do you want to read those first or should I? It's up to you.

1:07:15 Let's, uh, let's, so I pulled a jack card or a Joker card. I was wondering if that's what it was. It has the pool. So I pulled the soul guard. I'm assuming because it has no label on it. So I'm assuming that that's it. All right. So lovely. Yeah. So we pulled the two of pentacles, which is diamonds, and then the 10 of cups, which is hearts. That's where my Nina second. That's fine. Because I'm a goldfish. Those are ones that fell out. Yeah. Okay. Catch two of pentacles. Our key words are balance, busyness, financial partnership, choices, ups and downs. Okay. Financial partnership.

1:08:06 There are a need of that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Some decks picture a person juggling two pentacles, which represents juggling different facets of your life. You're trying to keep many balls in the air. So to speak. Sometimes this card indicates making a choice between two things. Like maybe your wife and a brand new mistress. Right. Yeah. That's true. Should I go with the upright? Because there's not really an upright versus reverse. And I mean, there kind of is on these because they have a picture, but I don't know what way they fell out. So we'll just go with upright. Yeah. That's kind of what I was thinking. And I think I think I pulled the Joker card because it's like a frog being dissected. Hold on. Let me look at it.

1:08:58 It's such a cool picture. But I was like, which way? Because, oh, I guess probably this way. So I drew it in reverse. Okay. So you guys know I drew it this way. So it falls off the way. Okay. The upright too can mean good fortune as a result of your ability to handle many things at once. You manage to balance work and play and feel content with your situation. Sometimes it shows you have many resources at your disposal and know how to use them well. So donate with confidence. Yeah. I feel like, yeah, I feel like this is mostly about the money situation and the rebuilding stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Which I feel like that's typical of pentacles. Yeah.

1:09:43 In a reading about money, the upright too may mean doubling your money. Oh, yeah. I hope so. Well, doubling it because they need to pay a lot more. Right. Perhaps by joining forces with a partner, you can profit more than you could alone. In some cases, this card indicates two sources of income. So maybe they're going to start doing some haunting, spooky, creepy tours. Oh, that's another source of revenue. Right. Just a suggestion. I mean, they do do all those capetors. Yeah. Do do. There you go. Do do. If the reading is about your job, the two can represent balancing work with downtime.

1:10:26 You need both to stay happy and healthy. It can also indicate a busy period when you have to juggle projects or duties. Doodies. Sometimes it suggests choosing between two job offers or opportunities. Oh, okay. So I the duality of it, I feel like we can see there's applications. Yeah. Yeah, and I'm sure they're juggling like what project do you do first? Yeah. One's going to be more important to like, yeah, the building structure. Yeah. To any number of concerns that you would have in this case, in a reading about love, this card may represent shared resources or working with a romantic partner.

1:11:09 I mean, all other situations. If you're hanging out together still in the afterlife and holding by the way. I feel like honestly, he wouldn't be there. I feel like it would just be the chicks. That would be the ones to stay because he would be like off somewhere else, bang, and someone else in the afterlife. So frustrating. Perhaps running a business together. It's us. So working together, running a business together. It can also mean you're trying to balance your work and domestic life. Sometimes it indicates a choice between two partners. I wonder if they're getting someone else to like own it with them, maybe who's bringing more of financial support.

1:11:54 Yeah. I mean, I really know what's going on with them, but yeah, possible. We're like, we don't know them personally. We don't just just be clear. Maybe if you're listening, maybe you do need to get someone else to help own the property with you. Partnership. A little idea from tarot, not from us. So if it goes wrong, don't blame us. Hashtag not financially best. Okay. And then our other card, use a 10 of cups, which is that family card where there's like a house in the distance. There's like two children playing. So I feel like maybe it is going to get like built up nice and new where families are going to come and stay again and legislate. It's going to be a happy place. I hope so. With life, the Chateau.

1:12:42 Okay. So our keywords are comfort, happiness, domestic bliss, love and harmony. Oh my god, you guys. Yeah. Did I even talk about the, I might have talked about the chairs, but this card is a chair. And I don't know if you remember, they have like the special old chairs that they lost most of them in the flood. And so they're trying to like get more and rebuild them the way that they were. And we got a freaking chair card. That is wild. How funny. That is wild. Okay. All right. A card of fulfillment, which is a good sign, positive. The 10 of cups represents a happy home, where love and harmony abide. Some decks show a contented couple gazing at their beautiful home while their children play. Others picture the pair with flowers, rainbows and other symbols of love and hope. You could think of this as the happy ever after card.

1:13:49 Like other tens, this card signifies a time of completion. Yay. Yay. Hopefully soon. Yeah. 2025. When you read the rewards of what you've sewn, life is good. Abundance in the true sense of the word is yours. I can't even imagine that feeling when they do open back up. Yeah. All of the stuff that they have gone through, it's going to happen. The cards are saying it's happening. I think so. Yeah. I mean, like gosh. Okay. In a reading about money, you're in a position of financial security and comfort, maybe because you brought in a partner. It's hard to say. Are we the partners?

1:14:36 Are we going to own half of this stuff? Your efforts pay off. Sometimes this 10 represents family money and inheritance or marrying into wealth. We should all be so lucky. Okay. If the reading is about your job, the upright 10 heralds rewards, respect and recognition. We're recognizing you. We see you. We see you, Chateau. You're proud of what you've accomplished and content with your success. Aw. Well, yeah. It's pretty easy to be content with success. Can confirm from that one time. This card can also mean working in a successful family business.

1:15:23 It's talking, I feel like in both of these card interpretations about sort of like a partnership being involved in business with someone who's close to you. You're going to be a vibe here. It's cool. Yeah. They go together. I love it. In a reading about love, this card represents a loving, supportive, joyful relationship. It indicates a happy family life where the people involved share love openly and feel secure in their situation. Maybe it's going to flip the whole story of this place on a tad a little bit. There's probably going to be no more shitty dudes cheating on their newlywed wives with the housekeepers. Right. Because I bet you all of these housekeepers since have been like, "Uh-oh." No. We heard what happened to the other housekeepers. She got taken advantage of by this one guy and it'll never happen again. Not today, Satan. Yeah. It wasn't her fault. She got taken advantage of by this dickhole. Okay. But they learned from her, not her mistake, his mistake.

1:16:32 Yeah. From the mistake. Yeah. They learned from that situation where people were hurt and feelings were abused and people were not happy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it was all the man's fault. Yeah. Smash the patriarchy. Where's my hammer necklace when I need it? Yeah. What are you going to do? Well, that's all I have for those two cards. Okay. Yeah. So let's go for the full reverse. I feel like these are more going to be the... Well, I was thinking about the ghost, but we'll see. We shall see.

1:17:14 Okay. So keywords for the full innocence, beginnings, trust, hope, and opportunity. And I'm not going to read this crazy long intro on it because it describes mainly the traditional tarot and like that imagery. And also you guys, how many bajillions of times have we read that to you? Well, I can... I can picture. I do have something to say about the look of the card and then we can move on. But it's kind of like on like a rocky mountain side. Like a cliff. So like... That is. You know. There's probably a cave down at the bottom. Could be. Could be. I don't know. I like it. Wait. Hold on. Oh my god. I just remembered. My headphones were on the guys. Remember, I told you the story about how the cave was found by the man and his dog in the pool has a dog on it. It's like a man and his dog together in the wilderness.

1:18:15 Okay. That's crazy. Mind a little bit flow. I'm so glad we're learning though because we... If we were just doing these cards because they don't have the normal imagery. Yeah. If we didn't have at least like the pool, it's kind of like an easy one to remember. But yeah. I'm glad we're learning because now we know like what the card should look like. We can relate it to the tarot print itself. I think a lot of this I don't really realize until in the moment. This is a really good. It's kind of a test, but it like in a less scary way. Like not when you try to go get your drivers for bit. You know. Yeah. Using the the deck that's not the usual tarot. Yeah. No things. Yeah. I feel like I'm absorbing more than I thought.

1:19:00 We know things you guys. I'm so impressed with myself. I'm so glad even though we did this on a different day that I had recalled that story of the man and his dog finding the cave. That's so cool. I can't perfect remembered that. Me neither. Good for you. My brain is working. I love it. Okay. Interesting. If the pool is reversed, you may feel restless and bored. Eager to try something new. But now it's probably not the right time to act as it's your wedding night. Right. Or you're going out looking for a cave and you're looking for hunting and you find a bear cave. Yeah.

1:19:43 I think of this as the don't quit your day job card. That's not to say what you want is wrong headed. But you need to consider the pros and cons carefully before you walk off that cliff. My other the other thing I was thinking of like when they started the construction of the building like they were just they knew they needed it because they're kind of like blindly going into all of these other things they didn't know were coming. Yeah. Oh boy. In reading about money, you may not have all the information you need to make a well-founded decision. And impulsive action could lead to a fall. Oh a fall like the like the whole building could fall down. Yeah.

1:20:26 Someone may take advantage of your innocence. I mean I don't know. I feel it's pretty pointed. Yeah. Potentially of the wedding night. Yeah. The reverse fall can mean you're vacillating or overly cautious about money matters. If the reading is about your job, your current situation has probably led to a dead end or you've grown bored with your career path, you're on. It's time to strike out in a new direction. Don't do this hastily however. Gather information and explore possibilities. So you know some of the unexpected things I feel like you were talking about.

1:21:07 Right. Or like with marrying someone I guess you don't really know because he turns out to be a dickhead. So maybe get all the dickhead information. Some more. Yeah. It's funny. You should say that. Yeah. I kind of was picking up a vibe here. Yeah. In a reading about love, this card can warn you to look more closely at a partner or relationship. Things may not be what you think. God damn it. I know. I don't like that. The reverse fall may also indicate the end of a relationship and greater freedom as a result. I mean, she was free. Yeah. Okay.

1:21:51 Oh, okay. This feels kind of dark. I have chilees. Okay. I'm heave-dam-gee. I'm heave-dam-gee. Think before you act however, for you might regret a breakup undertaken hastily. I feel like you might regret a breakup with your own life taken hastily maybe. Yeah. Okay. Or on his side, like if he did push her out the window, like, you're gonna regret that, bro, because you I hope you went to hell. Yeah. Stay in hell and not the cool part. Like, okay, breakup, kind of an understatement in that case. Yeah. Okay. Well, that was really cool. I love it. God, I love it. We got the full card and then the freaking chair. Well, should we get out of here seeing you do your thing? Do my thing. She got a thing today. She was something to do. I like literally never have anything to do. No, it's usually me. I have a very important appointment.

1:22:51 All right. Well, let's get her to it. All right. Have a creepy day. See you next Tuesday. Let's you get lost in a cave and lose matches and then lose a dog and don't say that. You have to live in a bear apartment forever. Oh, no. I mean, maybe it's snuggly. Did I mention I've a thing? Now I'm like, I'm gonna get lost. I don't like any of this. Don't get lost near any caves. I think I can manage that today. I hope. Bye.

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