The Cannibal at the North End of the World: Baxbakwalanuksiwe’

0:00 He is also known by one other name, "Cannibal at the North End of the World." Listen, I want things to be kind of neat and tidy. You got to give it a little pop, but I like that. That's good. "Cannibal at the North End of the World." That's the one. Yeah. It's like be descriptive, but don't be like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know? You can't either, you know, it could mean several different things. Okay. "Cannibal is very clear." This is true. I think, you know, it's eloquent in its brevity. He could be going Nelly Furtado on everyone's ass. Ooh. Hi, Caitlyn. Hi, Cassie.

0:40 Hi, creepy people. Oh, hi. Hello. Why are you scared, Caitlyn? You don't know what's about to happen. I don't, but you've been building it up for like a week. I mean, at least. Spooky season is technically over, but it never ends. It never ends here. Not on PNW Haunts and Homicides where we chat about true crime, the paranormal and all things spooky in the Pacific Northwest. That's right. The limit does not exist. Or the PNW if you're nasty. She got it in there.

1:20 What we had to because this episode is fucking nasty. Oh, okay. Well, nasty. Nice day. All right. So now I feel like I'm maybe getting a sense of things. Do we say the thing about the tarot? Because we do a tarot reading in every episode for a little bit of deeper insight into our topic. I wonder what we're going to get for this one. It's so. I'm so interested. Yeah, I really like to know what tarot deck you're planning to use. Oh, well, I could give you a little spoiler and show you which one I'm going to use. The program. Excellent. Well, let's just get it into it.

2:02 Okay. We're going to do one of Caitlyn's No No Topics today. Great. I was hoping you would say that. And I'm going to start with a simuliric from a song from the Hamat’sa ceremony, which I'll explain what that is. If you don't know what that is in a little bit too. All right. I went all around the world to find some food. I don't know the beat you guys. So it's just I'm just reading it. Okay. Okay, that's fair. I could do it. I could try to do it like a rapper. I went all around the world to find some food. No, okay. I don't think he should do that. Okay. Please.

2:42 I went all around the world to find some food. I went all around the world to find human flesh. No. I went all around the world to find human heads. I went all around the world to find corpses. But imagine like not in English. Yeah. It probably sounds really, really cool and beautiful. So yeah. Yeah. I'm glad you sang it in English so that I wasn't like accidentally like boffin like. Right. Yeah. Well, I probably couldn't pronounce any of the words because it was really hard.

3:23 It was hard to find how to pronounce these words that I have to say anyway. So we're not going to be speaking a different language. Okay. All right. The most terrifying story in the Kwakwaka’wakw folklore is of Baxbakwalanuksiwe’. Sounds pretty intense. And I'm going to like spell it for you. Oh, jeez. B-A-X. B-A-X-W-A-L-A-N-U-K-S-I-W-E. That feels a little overwhelming. It does. But when you get it broken down for you, Baxbakwalanuksiwe’. It's not too bad. Yeah.

4:03 For sure. No, I mean, I'm glad that it didn't come up at the sixth grade spelling bee, but. Right. Right. Because that would be rough. But intense. It's actually funny. You mentioned that because I found a lot of the info for this in like a, it's a grade school curriculum. Really? Yeah. It says it's meant for grades four and five. Okay. Very specific. Because this story is a little. It's, I mean, it's a little rough. Yeah. So I wanted to find something that kind of also not watered it down, but like made it a little more tame. So like maybe I, you know, talk about the grade school version a little bit than, rather than maybe make it a little bit more palatable.

4:50 So I guess we're going to find out am I smarter than a fifth grader? Am I more emotionally mature than a fifth grader? Probably not. I feel like I know the answers, but we'll find out. Would you like to know what, Baxbakwalanuksiwe’ translates to? Yeah. Man eater at the north end of the world. Yeah, I had a feeling that it was going to be something that I wasn't going to be super psyched about, but. So I'm sending you the picture of him. Oh boy. This is Nightmare Fuel.

5:32 No, this is Baxbakwalanuksiwe’. Listen, as someone who's worked in a lot of dental offices, that's not normal dentition. It's entirely too many teeth. A lot of teeth. A lot of mouths. A lot of weirdly placed mouths. Yeah. Are you seeing where all the mouths are placed? Yeah, they. So let's describe them a little bit. So he's kind of, they say, "Anthro." I can't say the word "anthro per-." Anthropomorphic? So they're anthropomorphic. We're just going to leave it with Caitlyn saying it. Anthropomorphic. So he kind of does have a human appearance.

6:13 He's got like, you know, a torso, legs, head, mouths, arms, the nose. And is there any? Yeah, I don't think he has ears or eyes. Doesn't look like it because all of them are mouths. Where those should be. So he's pretty horrifying, terrifying. Caitlyn did say it correctly when she said nightmare fuel. Yeah. His entire body is covered in mouths. His butts amount, his lower back is a mouth. Yeah. His feet. His knees are a mouth. His knees, there's mouths placed randomly on his arms and legs and shoulders.

6:55 He has a mouth where mouths go. Yeah. He does have that. He's also got like the plague doctor sort of like I think is that his nose? That's his nose. Yeah, and it's very cute. Okay. And it does have that nostril. So he can sniff you out. It is quite sizable in terms of nostril size. It does remind me of substance a little bit. The substance. Yes. The end of the substance. If you guys haven't seen that, go watch it. And then look at beautiful baba wallet oxy way here. Oh, right.

7:35 Oh, and they also have him kind of compared that little pink picture looks like they're comparing him to a human. So he's a little bit bigger. Well, he's a lot of bit bigger than a human. He's a lot of bit bigger. Yeah. His nose is basically the size of a human. They describe his mouth as gaping snapping bloody. And his call is hap hap hap, which means eat or something along those lines in that language. Oh, and the way I read hap hap was not as a word. I read it as in it on a monopoeia like a no, I read it as like an on a monopoeia sound like.

8:15 Oh, I was making it yapier. Yeah. Look at dog. I was I was trying to tone it down a little bit. Yeah, yours makes here's makes more sense in light of the visual, which is kind of funny speaking of dogs because my dog used to make the sound when she was like being pissy and irritate and a little shit to me. And she was like, talk back and she would go, well, maybe she's got a little little cannibal in her. Fuck. I mean, she did like to lick the tune nibble me. So maybe. Well, maybe she was a nibble or we talked about it. Yeah. Yeah. Among a few variations in the spelling, there are also a few variations in the translation.

9:01 He who first ate man at the mouth of the river or he who first ate humans on the water. Okay. The and this is a quote, the ever more perfect manifestation of the essence of humanity. That's poetic as fuck. Yeah, but I mean, it's kind of words like creepy words salad, but ever more perfect manifestation of the essence of humanity is this like we're all just walking around with these giant mouths just wanting shit from everybody, just trying to eat up everybody.

9:44 Just worried about ourselves. I mean, if you turn it into like a metaphor, sure, I'm just saying like if you go down to the base and it's like ever more perfect and we're talking about a cannibalistic creature. Yeah. Not that feels those are those are contradicting delios. Yeah. My dude. I don't think it can be true. You've said it. Those two things cannot cannot cannot can be true. Okay. I don't that's a qualifier that I don't know I've ever agreed to. Well, I think we should all just take that and like I was like a journal prompt and just like journal about this for a little while because I just I want to know what everyone thinks.

10:31 Okay. Or simply man eater. He's a man. He is also known by one other name. This is the name that actually really drew me to him. Cannibal at the north end of the world. Listen, I want things to be kind of neat and tidy. You got to give it a little pop, but I like that. That's good. Cannibal at the north end of the world. That's the one. Yeah. It's like be descriptive, but don't be like blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. You know, you need a leader, you know, it could mean several different things. Okay. Cannibal is very clear. This is true. I think, you know, it's eloquent in its brevity.

11:13 He could be going Nelly Furtado on everyone's ass. Ooh. So Mr. Man's eater here is the villain of the Hamat’sa or Cannibal Dance, which is the first most important and infamous dances of the Seca ceremony. I probably didn't say that totally correctly because it's like the chaos of weird mouth feel and I don't. I didn't get it right. But yeah. Seca. Seca. Seca. Seca or something. Okay. Okay. No, that can be hard because like some languages do have like this. And mouth feel is exactly the right word for it. It's like when you speak French, but you don't do the, you know, yeah.

11:56 Yes. And it's like the quah quah, K-walk has like a W at the end of it that's supposed to be like, oh, and you're like, I'm trying. I'm so close. And to oh my gosh. And I found a YouTube video where actually someone was pronouncing all of the words. So I was crying just so hard. And I'm like, you say it's so much better than me. Yeah. And I just get like, can you come on our podcast? It's right. No, but it's like it's very difficult to actually train your mouth to like hit the syllables in the police sometimes. Mouth words are hard. Mouth words are hard. Hey, you can do the research. You can do the research and sometimes in the moment, the words that you say, it's like you don't hit quite the right like intonation or pronunciation.

12:42 I hope I'm doing it right. I just refresh right before this, but we'll see. Yeah. And here's the thing is I think that everybody knows you're taking the time. You are making the effort. And I think that's the most important thing. We do, we do try to nail it whenever possible, but you know, and if someone speaks the language, please come on our show. Please, I would love to talk to you. Yeah, though it'd be so cool. I love to, I love to actually hear people in their native, you know, language and like hear it how it's supposed to be said and not, you know, butchered by us. Yeah. I also have a lot of questions like a lot of questions.

13:23 I can only imagine. Canada outlawed the ceremony in 1885 because naturally. All of the organizers didn't understand it and found it too disturbing. Kate, when the cannibalism, yeah, the cannibalism thing, yeah, they kind of didn't get it. Yeah. No, and biologically we're kind of supposed to not, we shouldn't do it. Right. Definitely probably shouldn't do it. No, you definitely shouldn't. You definitely shouldn't. Like if you're trying to, hey, we don't, we don't judge, you know, the people that had to do it.

14:04 But we, sure, survival is one thing. I would say with cultural traditions, we can respect that that was the culture, but also understand that those are things that can actually make people like fatally ill. Yeah. And I mean, I'm not even talking about cultural cannibalism or anything like that. I'm just talking about like, you know, the donor pass or the donnor party or whatever, like people that just had to do it to survive. But that is kind of a big misunderstanding with this whole thing and we'll go on and I'll explain what the ceremony is all about. So they did attempt to kind of erase it from history and they wanted them to assimilate into their culture and just kind of erase their whole.

14:51 See. Pass. Like if we're just trying to, you know, make people safe, that's one thing. Right. But the erasure of their culture, that's where it becomes like, yeah, it's giving colonization. And then once I explain it to, I think you're going to be like, wait, what? They just truly didn't get it. Oh, no. This is the story behind the Hamatsa ceremony and Baxbakwalanuksiwe’, the villain of the story. Four sons of the chief found the house of the man eater, Baxbakwalanuksiwe’. Oh, and of course they went inside, they checked it out.

15:34 It's that part in the horror movie where they go down into the basement, you know? Right. I just, yeah. Well then once inside they realized that the creatures in there were trying to eat them. You don't say. Like, Baxbakwalanuksiwe’ was probably like, did you not see like the man eater sign? Like, you're in my house, dude. My door mat literally says man eater, turn back. It kind of reminds me of like, Hansel and Gretel. Yes. Where they find like the witch's house. Yeah. And then she wants to eat them. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of a, it's a spin off.

16:17 Did we like, did we cancel, Hansel and Gretel? Probably not. Did we outlaw that story? No. Well, maybe I'm not actually sure the history on that. We'll come back to it. Okay. Anyway, so they didn't want to get ate. So they ran and they got chased all the way home by Baba Wollanoxiewe. But they didn't make some obstacles along the way to slow him down. Hmm. So they made it home in time to warn their father, the chief. By the way, he was the chief. I don't know if you heard of him. The four sons of the chief. Princes, right? They would be princes. I don't know what chief sons are actually called, but in my mind, they're like spoiled little princes. Yeah. I could be totally wrong. I don't know what their title would be in a thin sense.

17:01 It's fine. Someone let us know. They made it home in time to warn their father of what was like just coming right behind them. They're like, everybody should go. Oh. Yes. You brought this guy here to the village. Daddy, we fucked up. We don't fucked up. The chief greets the cannibal very politely and is like, hey, you want to kill my kids? Like, that's fine. But you should go back and like bring your wife and son with you so you can all just have a feast. Oh, in the fourth and fifth grade version, it kind of just says, you know, he nicely just told them, hey, go back and get your wife and kid and come back.

17:48 He didn't mention anything about like, you can have my son. They're like worthless anyway. I don't need that. Oh, okay. That was another version of the story I found, but I thought that was really funny. No, that's what I'm getting like the spoiled prince vibe. Yeah. I will say I think I'm picturing the reaction of the spoiled princes and I'm just, I'm hearing them. We are so putting him in a home. You know what I mean? Like, dad, that is so fun. Seriously. But I think he was just kind of like trying to pull one over on Baxbakwalanuksiwe’ Oh, yeah.

18:28 I don't know why he, he listened to the chief. He's like, oh, yeah. My family could eat. Well, let's go get the wife and kid. Just probably get a bitch about dinner if I eat without her. Honestly, that's thoughtful of you. Can you imagine a little baby, Baba? I know. It would still be bigger than me. Not the mama. When he returns with his family, the chief invited him to sit on this beautiful new throne, like not a throne, but like it's just a nice seat. Like a guest seat, you know? Okay. But like here's my throne. You can be chief or anything.

19:10 Just like a nice seat for him to sit in. It's like this, cause like a place of honor. Right. In their big, so I assume they don't need, they don't want like a normal human size chair. They probably want like a big chair, right? Yeah, that feels fair. Yeah. That's how I feel when I get on an airplane. I don't want this normal human size chair. I want first class size. So they built him a first class size plain seat. No, that's perfect. I love that. And they're all having kind of a good time. Telling stories, it was like, hey, since you're here, we'll tell you a bunch of stories from our history and our people.

19:51 Love it. And you can just chill. And we'll entertain you. And then eventually the guests fall asleep. You know, I don't know if they were. They're having drinkies. They didn't really, it wasn't really clear in here, but the, the, the Bob is all fall asleep. Okay. I was, I was going to say the guests as in the, the manators. Yes, the manators. Great. Just needed to be real. The cannibals at the north end of the world at the, at the north pole. Cannibals at the north pole from Santa. Excellent. They're the labris. As they slut the four sons who was the bait basically to get them to come back here.

20:32 They pulled apart the chairs, which were built specifically for the Boba family and underneath the chairs was a huge pit of boiling water. Oh, no. So when they pull the chairs right off from under their booties, they're sleeping little booties where they thought they were safe. They were having a good time party. They were, they were going to eat. They were going to have a great meal, but they ended up in a boiling pit of water. And they died. The whole family taken out in one night. That is tragic. It's like the red wedding all over again. That's what it totally reminded me of. Yeah. Like, hey, come over.

21:13 We're going to have a good time. You want to hang out and our kingdom? Jokes on you, you're dead. Okay, so just a couple of thoughts notes. How is it that you can position a ginormous chair over a pit of boiling water and no one notices? Because I number one would have a very obvious sign atop my head that something in the atmosphere was changing. Right. Yeah. But I don't think the Bobbos have hair. They look hairless to me. So I mean, that's true. Did they not yield their butt mounds getting a little moist?

21:56 Maybe it was a really deep pit. I don't know, but they built that was like part of the reason they wanted to get them out of there. Because like, they're like, we need to come up with a plan to kill these guys for sure. But build this pit while they're gone. Excellent, excellent work in what I have to assume was a very quick turnaround. And you know what, they're probably pretty moist because of all of those mounds. They're just walking humidifiers anyway. So they just couldn't tell. And they don't have eyes so they can't see. Okay, you know this about me. I don't have a problem with the word moist. What I do have, I take issue with erroneous moisture.

22:41 I simply can't. I realize this shouldn't be the most upsetting part of the story, but I think I've just hit a wall. And it's just like fuck the boiling water. I'm done. I said, okay, she brought me cannibalism and then moisture. Well, I think I'm also going to fuck up your world a little bit more because there's more of the stories that I mean, I assumed it wasn't over yet. So that's fine. When the Baba family was murdered tragically in this horrible situation, backstabbing manipulative bullshit.

23:23 Their ashes scattered to the wind, transforming into mosquitoes. Okay, that I do believe, which is why mosquitoes bite and suck your blood. Honestly, that for me, that tracks, except they fell into a pit full of boiling water. So why would they touch ash? I don't know. Super natural. For serious, if you are a native speaker, if you are someone who just has familiarity with the mythology, we have questions. So many questions.

24:04 There was, it did say hot stones in boiling water. Like maybe it was just hot stones and no water. And they were, or it just kept going. They had like a roaring fire and all of the water eventually just evaporated off. Maybe. And then, okay, wow, I'm really getting into this. I know. I'm very curious. I was very curious to how the ash got into the sky from the water, but down in the pit and it evaporated and all the ash evaporated into the clouds and then it rained. Well, right, but I'm saying there wouldn't be ash if they were boiled to done.

24:44 I meant like they're okay, so maybe ash isn't the word. I'm thinking, okay, so their bodies disintegrated in the water, turned a sludge. The sludge was evaporated into the clouds and then rained down little mosquitoes. So I'm done. Oh my god. Neither of those is good. I hate it. I hate it. It's all bad. Oh, and mosquitoes. I forgot. So you got a skin of a little bit of moisture and mosquitoes and that's three strikes. You are. It was your trifecta. No, no, no. It honestly is. It honestly is. Are there bees as well? No, there's no bees.

25:25 But after the death of the Baba family, the four sons went back to his house and they're like, let's see if we can steal anything from the poor Baba family that we just murdered. Well, sure. Yeah, they don't need their stuff anymore. So I hate to see it go to waste. So they go and they steal a mask of he had a raven there, which was like a man eating raven pet that he had. Okay. I think by virtue, all ravens can be man eating. Right. I know. Valley cheer if you're dead. Right. How hard are they trying?

26:06 That's why I brought my product today. Makes sense. Makes sense. They use the masks, these big old like bird beak masks in their ceremony to this day, the Hamatsa ceremony. So I'm going to describe the ceremony to you. This was like outlawed for a really long time, which thankfully it's been brought in back and it didn't actually get a raise from history and people are still talking about it and learning about it. And I'm going to tell you about it. And it is an initiation ceremony that has changed a lot over time. Obviously. In the past, the initiate would go into the woods for sometimes months, mommy, yeah, months and be possessed by Baba while in oxy way.

26:50 Okay. Well, if you're alone in the woods, I mean, yeah, that'll do things to you. Well, you might get possessed by the spirit of a candle. Okay. The initiate would return to their village in a highly erratic state, biting out and shouting "Happappapp." And healers would have to catch him and call him. And was he just angry? Did he need a snickers? He might have been angry, but they, I mean, they say he was possessed by Baba while in oxy way, the candle. And so they would like kind of do an exorcism on him, basically.

27:33 They said the healers would calm him down, which I'm assuming is get the evil spirit out of him. Yeah. They got a cleanse, the evil out of a bricky Bobby. And now, obviously, all of this is done symbolically. They don't actually send someone out to the woods for months to get possessed. Oh, wait. So that doesn't happen anymore? No. Okay. Okay. Okay. That's fair. What is the PTO for that? I know, right? And I think this is kind of why it got outlawed because they were seeing kind of part of it and kind of getting part of the story. And they're like, these people are just getting possessed and eating people like what is going on. But no, they weren't actually eating anybody.

28:14 They didn't know. Perform cannibalism in these ceremonies. The ceremony was because they're tried, defeated, a monster. It gets all about them defeating this big bad monster in the woods and doing a celebration about it. Okay. So this is like the British Columbia First Nations version of the Satanic Panic. Kind of. Yeah. My pearls. Right. Like, look at them acting out and talking about cannibal. We just don't understand. We're too white.

28:54 Okay. So literally the only cannibalism is only so far like defeated. Yes. Yes. Yes. The mythological creature from the legend and the culture and which was basically explaining why mosquitoes exist. Yeah. Which that feels fair because honestly, it makes sense. I don't have a better explanation. I was also being kind of silly about like, oh, they murdered this family of cannibalistic monsters. I was being a little silly about that. Secious. Yeah. And I didn't, I kind of want to bring that up because I'm like, wait, I don't want them to think I'm trying to bash their, what they're actually celebrating here in this very beautiful ceremony with these beautiful bird masks and like carved hand carved and other regalia and music and dances that just celebrate this story from their history.

29:51 So I just sort of put that out there. I wasn't like making fun of them or anything. Yeah. I just get silly. Yeah. You're like, this is, I don't know if you've ever heard of it. How you say sarcasm? Yeah. Kind of the kind of, but then I'm also like, I have that thing in me that like wants to root for the thing everyone is scared of too. So I'm always trying to figure out like that guy and like, hey, he has a wife and kids like, is he that? Well, that's so to BTK. Oh, the thing that doesn't mean nothing. I also had a thought is Bob a well and oxy way actually a cannibal because he's not human.

30:33 Yes. Oh my God. That has been bothering me so much this whole time because I was like, or are we the same species? Yeah. And I looked, I mean, I looked up the definition of cannibal and it says, you know, eating your own kind. So I don't know. Maybe they, maybe they had a different word that just doesn't quite translate into English. Yeah. Like, maybe they don't actually mean cannibal. I don't know. But they could. Yeah. Or maybe there's some sort of a like, you know, Spider-Man, well, I mean, he was Peter then, but you know when he gets big, like origin story.

31:14 Like origin story. Yes, origin story. Yeah. But they do, I mean, they call him like a man eater and stuff. So I mean, maybe they're coming from the fact that they're men and he's kind of manlike. Like he has manlike mouths and things. A lot of manlike mouths, mouths of those. So if we're going to put it back into like Peter Parker terms, and I think we should, because it's a fun thought experiment right now. This is sort of what I pictured when I had like a occupational exposure in a dental office. I'm like, that's what's going to happen to me. I'm just going to be a guy with mouths all over like radiation.

31:56 No, I mean, I like, I wasn't exposed to like radioactive toxic goo or anything. Just like other people's cooties. So. Oh, okay. That's good. I was like kind of worried about you for a second. I'm like, wait, you were well, but radiation is in like X-rays and stuff. So that's not that weird. Exactly. Well, are you ready to do some tarot? Yeah. I think I need like a 10 second like head star on tarot. Are you running? Yeah. Are you running from Baba while in oxy ways? You can get to your father in time to warn him so you can make a trap. Yeah, he's a pretty long walk to Florida. So that's true.

32:37 Yeah. Okay. So I have shuffled a ton. And then I'm going to put my mic down because I don't have a mic stand. So Caitlin's going to talk while I pick the card. So she's fanning out the deck very, I would say dramatically. I think she's fingering it right now. Baba while in oxy ways. It was me. I will not. It's it. Baba. Is that still right? I thought it was Bach Bach. Oh, Bach, Bach, Bach, Bach, Bach, Bach, Bach, Baba. Okay. So I, yeah, so I was saying Baba, I meant Bach Bach because they did find the first pronunciation I found because it was a struggle before I found the videos.

33:29 They were saying Baba. So Baba while in oxy way. Which is so clear. Because I might say Bach's back. But I wouldn't just say Baba. B-A-X based on the standard spelling. They sound like they knew what they were talking about. They said like that's what the sound makes in this language. So I was like, all right, you must be right. And then I found someone actually saying it. So I, I'm going to go with the person who was actually saying it, who I could tell was from like a native speaker. Culture? So sorry, yes. Let's see it right. Bach Bach while in oxy way. I do realize too I was saying the Baba family. I'm at the Bach Bach family when I shortened it.

34:09 Because I think when I went through and changed my pronunciations, I missed a couple. So sorry, it's Bach Bach, not Baba. We got just the imagery of it. It is the seven of ones. And it is a bird up on a cliff. Interesting. Okay. It reminded me of the pit of boiling water. Oh. Because like at the bottom. There's like birds kind of, there doesn't, doesn't look like they're falling into a pit, but they're kind of beautiful. Yeah, I mean, you could interpret the image that way. Okay, so that's interesting because I will say just based on just pure vibes, I would have expected maybe some sort.

34:53 Right. Some teeth by maybe one of the major arcana. But we got ones. So seven of ones. The crow tries to defend his territory at the top of the mountain. The approaching crows below are all too eager to knock him down and take his spot. This card is a reminder that although you've made it, you must not be complacent as there will be those who believe your position should be theirs. The seven of ones ask that you remain self-confident and have courage when facing challenges. It won't always be easy at the top that you've earned the right to be there. Okay. I mean, I don't know.

35:34 It was all about defeating a monster. I'm just saying, I'm just saying. Have courage facing the challenges. They had to like hide performing their sacred. Like this was like one of the most sacred ceremonies they have and they got outlawed. Like they could go to prison for performing it. So like they had to find a way to keep that alive while it was outlawed and then like bring it back to life later on so that their future ancestors could still have it. I don't know what you call that. Right. Yeah. No. I mean, you're progeny. Yeah. Yeah. God. Why people suck. They're right. It's wrong with us, you guys.

36:14 Well, okay. So here's the thing is I say that because it's funny. It's colonized. And oppressors suck. Right. Sometimes I know we say that and we kind of assume that you all know what we mean. Just to clarify, feels weird to start doing it now at four years in, but you know. I don't care. Fuck them. Love you guys. Yeah. Caleb, you bye. Okay. So our keywords are courage fighting for what you believe in and facing challenges. Wow. Do I even need to read the rest?

36:55 Yeah. Like the whole story of Baba will knock, knock, knock, see way in like the four sons and the chief just saying, feels like it's pretty on the note. When the seven of wands appears in a reading, you may need to stand up for yourself and fight for what you believe in. You can't confront you, but you possess the resources to succeed. They did. They put all those obstacles in the way they built a trap. Yeah. They have those fancy chairs that nobody can feel the moisturizing up their bungholes. I think of this as the don't give up card.

37:39 Wow. Immediately, I was like, I give up because cannibalism. You have to understand it. Then it's not so scary. Well, the monster part still scary. That's why they killed us. I feel like it's very representative of a lot of things that feel very real right now. You just have to understand how to defeat the beast. When this card appears, you may need to fend off competitors or enemies to achieve your objective. Even if the challenges are formidable, you can overcome them. The seven encourages you to stay strong and focus your will to win the struggle.

38:24 Wow. Yeah. Like that literally keeps saying it, but that's what that whole like initiation ceremony is about. I mean, it really is. Yeah. When you're reading about money, this card tells you to hold firm in a financial matter, even if things appear difficult, a present, avoid arguments about money or possessions. So maybe don't let your dad over here. That thing about we are so putting him in a home. Right. Because he didn't mean it. He was just using them as bait. Yeah. For sure, Z's. Oh my God, you're going to absolutely shit when I get to the extra excerpt, I think. I'm eating my fingers right now.

39:05 I'm cannibalizing myself. I'm so glad I could help. Interbreeding about work, the upright seven advises holding your ground. Try to keep your spirits up and don't show weakness. Oh, whoa. Keep working diligently for what you want. Don't let other people distract you. Yeah. Don't at the Bach Bach family. They got distracted by all the nice stories and the nice seating and they just got so cozy and they went right. Nine, nine. Interbreeding about love, this card recommends trying to work things out with a partner instead of swabbling.

39:45 Maybe about your dinner plan. Go get your wife the first time and the shit wouldn't happen. I don't know, maybe. She'd probably be smarter and be like, um, yeah, we're just going to eat right now. I've got some things on this. Um, it may seem easier to just give up, but if you keep a positive attitude, you can resolve difficulties. Okay. When you come to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on. Hang on. They should have had a rope to pull them out of the boiling pit of water. It's an FDR quote.

40:26 Oh, front of the pot. Yeah, front of the pot, obviously. I just love that this was all about like a cultural, like story and like, you know, the mythology and not about actual cannibalism. Yeah. Because I've been eating dinner yet and I wouldn't do you that dirty. You, you guys, I am not kidding. And I say that she has been building this up for at minimum a week and she made it sound like I was never going to sleep or eat again. And I wasn't sure which or why. I mean, I am pretty 100% sure that you're going to have a nightmare about Mr. Teathman.

41:10 Now, the teacher really bothered me as much as you would think. Honestly, for some people, listen, if if if teeth are in any way for you uncomfortable, maybe don't look up the the visual. Please look at it. Please go to the sources and look at it. It's only uncomfortable when it's in like the context of like this man eating beast, I think. Yeah. Well, upsetting and troubling either way, I should clarify that it's it's upsetting looking.

41:51 It's unsettling. But yeah, no, like, let's be clear. The no no for me here is cannibalism not the real cannibalism. Yeah, yeah. No, the teeth are like whatever I've seen. Listen. I've seen so many teeth have so many things done to them, including just yank and a mouth. You're not going to get me that way. But that's just a lot of mouths. I mean, we talked about it. It's so all that all that moisture. Do you think he has wisdom teeth? Walking humidifier. Yeah, I think so. That's all I have for cannibals this time. Wow. Have a creepy ass day.

42:35 Okay. Unless you're off. Be a cannibal. I don't know. I'm sure you're vegan. I'm a vegan cannibal. Is that a thing? That can't be a thing. You know, I'm a little sure of plan. Oh, we wink. Anyway, should we say goodbye? Because we're not really talking. Oh fuck. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, we should probably stop recording. Well, we have to say goodbye. Oh, fuck, we didn't say goodbye. No, that's why we're still recording. Oh, Jesus. I wish you wouldn't let me go on about pineapple and steaming like that.

43:15 What are you going to do? What are you going to do?