Shrunken Heads & Shipwrecks: More of Marsh’s Free Museum

0:00 Hi, Caitlin, Hi, KESSI Hi. We're doing a bonus for you today and it is the long awaited bonus for the Jake the Alligator Man episode. Yeah, because I told you guys, I couldn't leave him alone. He's not really in this. We're going to talk about actually more of like the Marsh's Free Museum, and I know that you guys, well, Caitlin definitely had questions about the shipwreck. I don't know if you guys remember the shipwreck. So we'll get there, okay, and we'll talk about it a little bit more. We're going to talk about some of the other fun things besides Jake the Alligator Alligator Man, like find at Marsh's Free Museum in Long Beach, Washington, which fun fact, I don't know if you guys know Shay and Jody from Rainy Day Rabbit Holes, when they came to visit us, they stopped here and visited Jake the Alligator Man, and they got us stickers, which I forgot to pull mine out, but they gave us a little Jake the Alligator stickers.

1:05 It's so sweet, and they took some pictures of some stuff for us. There is a replica, Okay, so we are going to start off talking about Jake, but then that's it. Okay, okay, So there is a replica of Jake that looks down from the roof like a gargoyle. I don't know if they got a picture of that. I'll have to look through them. But I thought that was so cute that he's just like up there a replica of him watching over the entrance the building. That just feels like a lot. But okay, I mean he is kind of their like main guy. He's like on you know, all their stickers and stuff. So yeah, yeah, no, he's he's the A team.

1:46 Yeah exactly. They're not They're not coming for some of this other stuff, which maybe they should be. So it also has the world's largest collection of glass glass fishing balls, which I don't I don't know why. I thought that that was so interesting that you guys needed to know, but I did, and now you know, so you're welcome. Yeah, I mean I feel like I needed to know. Oh good, Okay, thank you. They also have someone named Mary Lou and Mary Lou is a complete human skeleton that was a She was apparently found in someone's closet in Aberdeen. No, thank you and I did try to look this up, but I couldn't find anything. But so I don't know. It could not be true, it could not be reported on, or maybe Caitlin could find it.

2:37 I don't know. Okay, this is the funnest thing though, that I think that they have. And I begged Shane Jodi. I was like, oh my god, you guys are that I need a picture of this. I'm scared. It's the Wyoming werewolf. And this is quote a cleverly modeled deer butt. Okay, that didn't exactly go oh I expected. It's very strange and I was freaking in tears when I when I thought the picture this thing was captured December twelfth, nineteen seventy six, in Aten, Wyoming. Okay, how is that cleverly modified deer butt?

3:33 Caitlin's modified. I don't know how clever I think it is. It's real ugly. It is not. It's not attractive. The eye, the eyestone, even the gum line, the tongue is orange. It's it's odd, but they basically made the butthole into a mouth. I have. I haven't won so many and absolutely zero questions, you know what I mean? Like I know exactly what you mean. Oh boy, yeah, that was my favorite I've ever seen in my life.

4:23 That is that is a lot. It's a lot to take in, which I feel like, is what the deer was. That's what she said, you know. Yeah, Oh boy, what a werewolf? What a Wyoming werewolf? This was found in Wyoming. Yep Oka says the sign captured, not found captured. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, okay, we can we can move on from the the weird taxidermy. It's just like maybe some normal taxidermy. Oh already, so they have more the cat who was and still is their shop cat when he sadly passed away, they had him tax taxi dermid and I don't know what that's called, but we're gonna go with Taxi dermid. Yeah, so that they could keep their beloved pet in the store's collection.

5:17 I don't know how I feel about that, lay. I did think about that for my cat, but it would be really creepy. Yeah I think it was. Yeah, but in this environment where you already have a bunch of tax dirmy, you see it every day. You're used to this cat being there every day, and then all of a sudden it's not I feel like that's something that's like the rare situation where maybe it's not so creepy. Yeah, just another Tuesday, I guess. Just another Tuesday at Marsha's Free Museum can pay all these wonderful creatures. You can also apparently visit an authentic shrunken head from the Hebrew people in the Amazon Rainforest of South America. It's apparently authentic, but we're we're gonna go.

6:03 I had to. I had to you, guys, I was so interested in this shrunken head deal, Like are these things actually authentic? Are they real? Are they are? Like Jake, like, what are these things? So I I fell down that rabbit hole and I felt I fell in deep and you guys have to go with it. And how I'm gonna drag you down there with me, and we're gonna learn all about how shrunken heads are made together and it's gonna be Okay, we're gonna get through it together. Okay, I need water first. Though, Okay, great, we're. Gonna we're gonna listen and we're not gonna judge. Okay, this is what we're doing.

6:45 So. The Hebrew people in the Amazon Rainforest consists of four tribes the show are at you are Hua Misa, Hua Misa, I love that and a guaruna a guaruna. I wrote them all out. I really tried. Yeah you got it hooked on phonics, baby. And they're like, they're beautiful words. They're really cool to say, So yeah, I think they are. We're listening and we're not judging these beautiful Amazonian rainforest tribes, right, Okay, Okay, this is their culture, not yet, this was their culture, this is their history. So that's that's the angle that we're coming at this with. Okay, Okay. The shrunken heads are called sansas and they're spelled like ts a n TSAs, but it's pronounced sansas, kind of like Game of Throne sansa.

7:44 Yes, yes, that's exactly what I was thinking. Yeah, this obviously seems very morbid and grotesque to us now than it is, but to them, you know, we kind of already talked about it. This was their tribal practice. It had great symbolic and spiritual meaning to them, so they don't do it anymore. They'll just start there. Okay, are you gonna tell us about what exactly they were doing? Yeah? Yeah, I'm going to okay, and it's going to be. It's gonna be okay. So they were worn around their waist as trophies. They believe that by shrinking the head, they would acquire the soul of that person and that would give them power and protection like in battle, oh my gosh, as many of as humans. The Hebro people fought over land resources, hunting grounds, and I'm sure many other things, like a beautiful woman like it could have been anything, you know. Yeah, okay, So trigger warning. I'm going to describe the process of shrinking the heads, but as gently as possible, okay, And just keep in mind that this was ceremonial and we still don't really actually know everything that went on in the process. There's some mystery about it because it's not you know. Okay. So after unaliving an enemy, they would remove the head from the body. Then they removed the skin from the skull, and then the skull was discarded. It was used as an offering to their spirit helpers. So they then have

9:20 the skin, right, and they would sew the eyes shut and then to actually shrink it, it would be simmered for one to two hours, and this kind of made the skin darker. It gave it more of a rubbery texture, and then it was filled with hot stones and sand to further shape and preserve it. That's the end. That's it. I told you gently fast. Where I didn't there was a lot of other details. I didn't need to go into the details. I just wanted the basics of kind of how it was done. Yeah. So cut to the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries where sand, it says, captivated European explorers who would take them home as souvenirs. So who's the gross ones The people who are doing it for ceremonial practices it's part of their culture.

10:16 Or the people who are like, oh, this is a shrunken head from another human being. I'm gonna take it home and put it on my mantle for decoration. I'm gonna be honest. I definitely think it's all it's all a little gross. Yeah, definitely, the you know colonist people that are coming in, the colonizers, Yeah, coming in and taking them as like a souvenir. That's uh So it's layers of gross, icky and it gets it just makes everything like like we do, it just made everything so much worse. Okay, they eventually became highly sought after naturally increasing demand. You maybe can see where this is going. This led to an increase in head hunting parties for not only humans, but also animals like sloss and monkeys.

11:14 Why are we the worst? Yeah? And I was like, is this where like the term ahead hunting comes from. Oh? I didn't really look it up because I just I just kind of like was a passing thought in my mind. But I was like, oh, like that's. A literal thing, you know. I think, I think, I just I think, you know, I think I want off this planet. I don't. I don't like it here. It's not for me. Yeah, And it's really sad because then they started I mean, it's sad when you kill humans, but then they start killing like sloss and monkeys because they're like, yeah cute, well faces are very similar to ours. So no, I hate that.

11:57 But so that they would they would do these Obviously this is not ceremonial, This is not part of an ancient practice. This is now selling counterfeit heads right, no, tourists and collectors. This is what happens when capitalism meets other culture. Yeah. Yeah, like literally quite literally, it's so gross. It's really Ichy. But finally, in the nineteen thirties, the Ecuadorian and Peruvian governments outlawed the trafficking of shrunken heads, so it's no longer legal. Okay, well that took a lot longer than I'm comfortable with.

12:40 Yeah, the nineteen thirties, you guys. Yeah, so I don't know. It's possible that they have an older, real shrunken head. It's possible they have a counterfeit one that was headhunted. It's possible. I mean, who knows, I don't know. They they do. They do claim that it is authentic, so that's just I'm gonna go with that. That's what they say at their store. But who knows. Mm hmm. Okay, we're moving on. That wasn't so. Bad, right, Okay, But it's it's it's so interesting that you go into these places and look at because we've seen we've seen trunk and heads before. Who I don't know if they were authentic either or not, but it's like, oh, yeah, another trunk like you like. But now when you know all of this that goes into it, and like where because only these four like specific tribes did this is from what I read anyway. So you're just like, I don't.

13:43 It's very interesting. It is. It is. Uh, I can confirm it is giving me the ick. Yeah, uh, but it's it is really interesting. But it also reminds you Beetlejuice. And I didn't even to have Beetle just colors back there. It just happened because you do know where he has the shrunken head guy. Yeah, yeah, okay, so we've come to the Admiral Benson, the s s Admiral Benson. Shipwreck, never forget a shipwreck, speaking of the one shipwreck we will never ever forget. I wore a theme shirt.

14:30 I wore my theme shirt for you guys, because if you will listen to the episode, we talked about how the Benson we was the hotel that we said was the Titanic, and then there was a ship ship. It all connects. This was the whole thing. Yeah, it's all connects. Keep up, people, So you're welcome. So your question was did the shipwreck stay there or did they get it removed? And I did not actually really know the answer to that question. I did say I think it broke up and then like went away. I don't think you're like, yeah, I was like, yeah, I don't really know. I don't and that's fair. This episode was about Jake the alligator man. This shipwreck was like bonus content, like this is like.

15:20 A passer by, you know, like ships in the night, if you will. But then I was like, well, why don't I just look it up and tell you guys? So here we are. So we're going to talk about the shipwreck, not the Titanic, the Admirals Admiral Benson tripwreck. Okay, like I'll take it. Leo unfortunately or fortunately, well probably unfortunately wasn't on this boat because he would have survived if he was on the shipwreck. Yeah, yeah, because we did talk about that. There were no casualties, so. Yeah, that's right. No floating doors. I mean, I'm not saying there wasn't floating doors, but no one died on them, okay, all right, or off of them. No one was pushed into the icy cold.

16:08 Water, into the icy blue depths. Are you ready? Oh? Never, let go? She's not ready yet. Do you need another second? Do you need I'm good. Do you need to finish your reenactment? Listen? You can't bring up the Titanic and expect me to behave like an adult. Okay, it's tenuous and best. Anyways, was it? There was like a reel or something I saw recently that was like turtles or something like reenacting the the Door scene and the Titanic. I'm like having a I don't know if this is real. This could be a fever dream. I don't know either way, I want it.

16:49 But it was like turtles or something like fighting over a log and like one of them pushed the other. Yeah, anyway, this is not. About turtles, Okay, I mean, I guess I'm still interested. February fifteenth, nineteen thirty. So like kind of around the time that they were outlawing the shrunken Heads. Yeah, so it all comes down. It all rolls around, the. It all rolls around all. The day after Valentine's Day, February fifteenth, nineteen thirty, the SS Admiral Benson was headed to Portland from San Francisco.

17:33 The weather and the seas were relatively calm, but there was a heavy, dense fog at the entrance to the Columbia River. Ohboy, and at six forty pm, the SS Admiral Benson ran aground on the south end of Peacocks spit a quarter mile west of the North Jetty. I don't know what any of that means, but that's the info. I don't know. You guys can google if you want to know where it's at, you know. Like nautical shit. Yeah, I don't know. I like the peacocks spit though, Yeah, I was like, oh boy, I didn't realize that that they did that. I thought that was like kind of more exclusive to camels.

18:16 I don't know, let's ask a peacock if they spit or swallow. You know, we've done that before, that song, that Katie Perry's song. We've talked about peacocks before. Man, it's not the first time. I you know, I like to say I'm surprised, but obviously I'm not. So it did run aground, It wasn't like a wreck. It was a pretty gentle wreck, like nothing crazy happened, and the Admiral Benson was not damaged or in immediate danger. So okay, so this is more like I literally ran out of gas and I just slowly like let myself off onto the shoulder.

18:57 Kind of yeah. Yeah, yeah, kind of like that ran aground. Yeah, that's a good way to put it. Captain Charles C. Graham radioed the Coastguard for assistance, but doesn't send any distress signal because it was not really in distress. Yeah. Oh okay, I mean okay, yeah, all right. On February sixteenth, so the next day, the Coast Guard removed thirty four passengers and all non essential crew members, and at high tide, Captain Graham attempted to refloat the vessel. The vessel I like to see the ship. I don't know. I don't want to see the vessel the ship, but she did remain stuck. He wasn't able to get her free. Well, maybe should have stopped colinder of vessel. Yeah, talk nice to her, rubber nice maybe you know. Yeah, this is a quote direct from the article, because well you'll just see, okay quote. Several boats, including the powerful Canadian seagoing tug Salvage King, stood by to attempt to pull the Admiral Benson out end question. Oh but it didn't work. Not even the powerful Canadian seagoing tug Salvage King could free the Admiral Benson.

20:17 What should we do? Well, i'll tell you. On February seventeenth, the weather starts to look bad. So maybe there is a little bit more pressing danger. Okay, So the coast Guard removed the five remaining passengers in most of the remaining crew, so only like the captain and very essential crew members were on board. At noon, a decision was made to abandon all efforts to pull the Admiral Benson off the Peacock's fit until the storm passed. So obviously, like storming, they can't really try to save it. Yeah, I mean, not a great time. Yeah, but Captain Graham flooded all of the cargo to try to keep the ship from like pounding against the sand bar. So they tried to like weigh it down.

21:07 I guess, okay, I guess that's what that means. Yeah, yeah, No, I mean I think I see the logic. Yeah, it's like it's not gonna sink because it's stuck on a sandbar. So they're trying to like just make it so it's not like beating wildly around and like the waves and the winds. I still I don't I don't know, not a not a coal expert, but I'm not sure that I love that with passengers aboard. Well, they've all been off board. All the passengers are gone, at this point just yeah, some of the crew members. Well that's what I'm saying. Okay, there's still human people on the ship.

21:48 But if they I don't know, if they agreed to be there, if they were forced, I have no idea. I don't know. But on February eighteenth, so the next day the storm got worse and than the last of the crew members were removed. So, like any true captain, Captain Graham decided he was going to stay on board until there was absolutely no hope of saving the ship. So he's really going to stick it out until the end. Yeah. I mean they always say, like, you know, the captain goes down with the ship, right, which I hope he doesn't because that would be a really stupid thing to die for. That would be not the way to go down almost stuck ship. It's not like it's in danger, right, Like you.

22:32 Do that because you're there to man the ship and try to protect the passengers. He just like he lives there now. He's like, okay, I'm living here now, I'm going down with the ship no matter how long it takes. Yeah, zero dollars rent you guys. He's out there in like a Hawaiian shirt. Hell yeah, anyway, he works remotely, you know. So the storm just kept getting worse over the next several days, and Captain Graham reported that the ship was starting to break up. It's just not good. And the weirdest thing happened. I was sitting here typing this, listening to a little you know, Spotify, and as I'm typing like this sentence, Selena Gomez comes on and is singing, And as I'm literally typing break up, she is singing, call me when you break up as I'm typing break up.

23:31 How fucking weird is that? This just happened when I was fixing up my notes. While isn't that weird? That's crazy. I just have to bring those up whenever it happens because it's so interesting to me. So the Admiral Benson actually made it through the storm with little damage. Surprisingly, that's so crazy. But it did push the ship further into the peacock'spith. Now, I mean, now we kind of already know how this ends boiler alert. This made it impossible to ever free the Admiral Benson on a Sunday, February twenty third, So this happened on the fifteenth, So it's now the twenty third. Captain Graham finally abandons ship and his wife.

24:17 Is so freaking pissed. She's like, she's like, come on, the. Twins have colic, and I could really use some help around here. She's got a baby on her hip. She's she's got tip for some reason. The other one was on the ground. I pictured it was on the ground like holding it was holding onto her leg, and one was on her hip and she's flipping off the boat. He's like, I live here now, this makes more sense why he stayed or it? All the twins Colic is rough. I'd stay on the boat too. You should, especially if there's no immediate dangerous like for vacation.

25:03 Man, I mean, you'd be an asshole husband. But yeah, I also at the same time would be like, eh, I could see it. There was a hearing after this, and Captain Graham testified that it was only his second trip to Portland and he did not have the experience to be able to successfully navigate navigate, Navigate Kate, the navigate Lynn, the Admiral Benson. He did, he didn't. He didn't have it, you guys. He couldn't navigate the Admiral Benson across the Columbia River bar under the severe foggy conditions, and I wrote severed, but I meant to write severe foggy conditions. He gave no excuses for it other than misjudgment of the strong ocean currents carried him a little off course. There was heavy fog, he couldn't see well. So yeah, I mean, Aaron, I've had a sore throat for a month and a half.

25:59 He gave no excuses other than all of this stuff. Now, I mean, I feel like that's you know, it sounds like kind of in a way, it's like and we're saying that jokingly, like it does kind of sound like, oh, he gave no excuses except but it's like that's really important context because in his position, you know, I mean, you could be criminally charged, right, even if nobody was necessarily physically harmed, Like that could be you know, gross negligence or something. So I feel like that's fair, Like, hey, listen, this is totally my bad, but just so you know, these were kind of extraordinary circumstances.

26:42 Like I wasn't drunk basically, right, yeah, right. Listen, I didn't stick the landing like solely. But no, not at all. I mean maybe boats are harder to fly than plants, and we're just gonna leave that where it landed and keep going. We're gonna leave it where it landed, just like the SS Admiral Beinson. Oh god, yeah, no, we'll just use golf rules, you know, just you got to play it as it lies. Captain C. C. Graham he pleaded guilty to the charge of negligence and his master Mariner license was suspended for six months. That's rough. Yeah, I mean I guess if it probably wasn't a paid suspension, I don't know. I mean, because he just got his license taken away. So yeah, like he can't work or you know.

27:35 He can do some stuff off the books, and I would imagine. He's got the twins at home. So yeah, yeah, you got to keep those mouths fed. So now we're going to find out what happened to the boat, because this was like kind of your question. It took me kind of forever to get here, but now we're going to answer your question. Finally, real. History, I know. And then this this long ass thing I'm about to say, the Association of Mariner Insurance Underwriters. They those guys sent salvagers to protect the ship from being pillaged. Okay, yeah, that makes sense. After the storm, a salvage crew went in and they used gondolas to like like a rigging pulley system of gondolas, oh my gosh, to remove all the usable cargo that was left over in the ship.

28:30 They were like, we're taking it, yeah, getting it. They didn't want to leave all that money just because then other people were just going to take it, so they wanted to take anything they could out. But it took them like two weeks to do it because they were using fucking gondolas. Oh my god. Yeah, dude, that is wild. And they had to like protect the ship that whole time too, so other people wouldn't take this stuff. I think that's kind of crazy. God. No, the nineteen thirties of it. All, Oh yeah, and I could still I can see all these people like standing on the beach too, just like watching all of this happen, watching the gondola ride, Like that's why the burger stand did so good if we remember.

29:14 No, honestly, this reminds me of oh my gosh, what was it? Was it? Treasure Cove? I think I covered for prohibition Drid. Yeah, is that the right I don't know if. That's the right name, but I know you mean. Yeah. But all of the people on the beach, they were like, oh shit, a ship coming from Canada just crashed. Oh interesting, I wonder what they had aboard. I guess I should go and check it out. That's the party ship. A party ship crash, go go go go. So over time, once they got all of the stuff, the usable stuff out of the ship, they just obviously scavengers got to it and they just like removed anything and everything. They stripped it of anything usable, and then it took years for the ship to break up, and then some of the wreckage is actually still visible at extreme low tide. Shut the fuck up. So I was kind of right. I thought it just broken up, and yeah, they just had to leave it there. They literally couldn't get it out. I mean we talked about it. The Canadian strong Man, yes man, you know, the guy salvage ship couldn't get it out.

30:32 The Canadian sexy Bear. The Canadian sexy Bear ship could not get it. The Canadian browny man and his pet bear. I don't even want to go look at the original quote because I think we nailed it. No, we crushed it obviously, So wasn't that. We're all of that to answer your question at the very end, And yeah, I thought, I just think this shit's so interesting. No, because like I feel like just knowing that it kind of eventually disintegrated, like that's okay, Yeah, that's like that's one part of the story. It's like one little piece of it.

31:16 Yeah, that was so oh and it does remind me too of like the there's like shipwreck Beach where there's still like a shipwreck on the little old beach that you can go visit and like walk around by the shipwreck. So it's kind of like that I want to go to there. We should we should go here. We should go visit Jake the Alligator Man and see the bit. You know you want to stand inside that big pan, you know you do. Remember you're gonna marry Jake the Alligator Man. No, No, I'm already married. And wait, isn't his birthday celebration? That's my wedding day. Literally, Okay, so I'm already married, but not to him out unfortunately.

32:00 Well, I feel like we should pull a card. I got my little cabinetarium cabinetorium, cabinet weirdo of them, Yeah, cabinetarian nonums. Okay, send me your vibes, your shipwreck vibes. You're werewolf, wyoming, drunken. Let go titanic vibes, vibes. I'm gonna spread these out and pick one. We're gonna feel it out. I won't leave my mouth open while I do this. You guys, yeah, you want to see what we got? Do you want to see Charlotte? We got Morris the Cats.

32:42 Oh cute. We talked about a kiddy. Indeed, it's spades. It's the Jack of spades. Some I don't know what the Jack of Spades is in, so we're gonna just quickly google it. Unless Kate already doing it. I'm already doing it. Spades in playing cards corresponds to the suit of sword, while jackson playing cards don't have a direct equivalent in tarro, they are often interpreted representing both pages and night. This says the Jack of spades being specifically associated with a night of swords. Oh, okay, night of swords. Our keywords are daring, chivalry, forthrightness, impatience, single mindedness, and insensitivity.

33:40 This is sort of screaming captain to me, like all of it, even the insensitivity with what you were. Saying, single mindedness. Yeah, but like filling filling the rooms with water, and you were like, but there's still people on board. Knights often symbolize messages or travel. Travel We don't, oh before I forget the like battling. So this is like the shrunken heads the swords, and the cat does like kind of look like it's holding like you're gonna like this ahead then I don't know if you can see it looks like a little. Bit yeah, I mean it's a spade head. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting.

34:21 Knights often symbolize messages or travel. Some decks, including the writer Waite Smith Tarot show this night rushing hell bent toward an adversary or adventure. Oh okay yeah, or you could be rushing hell bent towards a sandbar. I mean you know that's an adversary. Yeah, I really is a. Formidable one at that. In the Aquarian Tarot, however, he shoulders his sword contemplating his next move. If he represents a person, you know, he may be someone who's overly aggressive or argumentative, who lives in attack mode, or he might be a spiritual warrior, one who uses his intellect to examine and purify himself.

35:12 Interesting. That is all like interesting, and I'm not sure if I have the words to connect it, but there's some sort of connection there, you guys, you tell us. The upright night may suggest you're passionate about your ideas and believe wholeheartedly in the rightness of your objective. Going down with the ship. Yeah. If this card represents an actual person, he's probably a young man who expresses his ideas enthusiastically and may have trouble understanding others' viewpoints. He was a new captain too, so hmm. Oh, he has a quick mind and keen intellect, but may lack true wisdom. Get you see Graham times. This night symbolizes an urgent message or an unexpected trip.

36:06 Yeah. That is so unexpected trip and unexpected D two D yeah yeah, yeah, Well he did have an unexpected trip because he was on his way to Portland, but when he got to Portland he had a hearing instead of just like unloading his ship. Yeah. Interesting, Okay, so I think this has a tie in to kind of the first half of what we were talking about. So there's an extra excerpt in between in the interpretation here so on our modern day athletic teams have their roots in the medieval period, when knights served the royalty and noble houses. Our allegiance to particular teams, often connected to the schools we attended or the places where we live, recalls our ancestorsdelity to the tribes, fiefdoms, or countries to which they belonged. Even the penance waived at sporting events harkened back to days of old when soldiers carried banners into battle to indicate the side for which they.

37:15 Fought whoa like more trophies. Banner is kind of on the front end of war, and the you know, the trophies are kind of on the back end. But yeah, I mean, I'm sure they have their their tribal like banners and stuff, like they're yeah, right, But I mean it's it's like the overarching principle of like everybody has sort of. Their own customs when it comes to everything in life, including war. In a reading about money, you may need to act quickly in a financial matter with some gonds two weeks, but don't neglect to study the situation before making a decision. The upright. Night may point to a trip for financial reasons, or a message about money. Sometimes he heralds a change in your resources, like I don't know, maybe a few unplanned months of unpaid leave.

38:11 Yeah, yeah, which I feel like it's too bad because I feel like, you know, so much can happen in terms of you know, seafaring conditions and the weather. That's it's a lot to put on, you know. But he did. We did learn that he did work. He just wasn't able to drive the boat. He just didn't have his boat insense. But he did work, like at the marina or whatever they said. I can't remember. Yeah, oh my gord. If the reading is about your job, this can represent a business trip. Sometimes it means a job change or a shift in work related responsibilities. Weird.

38:52 The night may also caution you to hold your tongue and bide your time. Diplomacy is important now, I mean he. Definitely bided his time. Yep, yep. How many days? Fifteenth, fifteenth to the twenty third? Like, well, I'm thinking more in the aftermath for. Sure, over a week? Yeah that is true. Yep, yeah, hold your tongue. Nothing else happened. I think of it. More as like, you know, he kind of approached it from a position of like really taking ownership, but also like and also being it seems like, from all indications, very respectful. So it was very much like diplomacy for sure.

39:35 Yeah, we just you know, I want to juice your history. This is why, you know, historical things are in movies are often by historical things are often more spicy. It all this bus that bad Billio? How crazy do my eyes get? When there's like a connection. In a reading about love, the night may point to a new affair or a change in an existing relationship that brings more freedom, excitement, and openness. It can also recommend being more flexible and tolerant.

40:16 Maybe because his wife with the twins at home, had to share the fabrication that we made, the space that we added. The completely fictional backstory that we have invented. I'm so sorry. C. C. Graham wherever you are, Rip, I assume I'm yeah. I'm going to say, yeah, we're just having fun here. We're yes ding yeah, no, we really are. Yeah, it's a hearty yes, I am for sure. Well should we go? Yeah we should do it? Have a creepy as day. Oh my God, what the fuck? Last time you said it, you said it was too slow. I said it like normal, and you went like.

41:00 Oh, cree upstand yo, I thought we were saying goodbye. We I mean we were, and then you ave a mariad up in this bitch. Should we do it togain or was that sufficient enough? I'm sure it was fine, Okay, perfect. Okay, bye bye. We listen and we don't judge. I can do one