Kristil Krug: She Did Everything Right | Broomfield, Colorado

0:02 Daniel said he had run an errand and believed he had closed the garage door behind him. Nothing appeared to have been taken initially, but when Christine came home, however, the couple noticed their spare key was missing from his toolbox. You I hate that. It proved to be a haunting oversight in the coming weeks. They immediately got their locks changed, right. Right, Hi, Cassie, Hi, Caitlin, Hi, creepy people. Oh hello, Hello.

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4:19 All Right, Well, should we do this topic, the one that I have in front of me right now? I guess maybe for all the normies, Yeah, normies. I like it. Christille Grims rud Krug and I don't know if I'm saying her maiden name correctly. It's spelled g r Ims r u D, so it could be Grimsrud or Grimsrud. That's not the name she went by anymore because it was her maiden name. But she was born November twenty fourth, nineteen eighty and Boulder, Colorado, to Lars and Linda. Oh Laura and uh we love alliteration. She grew up in its bedroom community, Westminster, about twenty five minutes away, which makes it sound fancy. I want her, Yeah, I feel like she should have a very posh accent.

5:19 Yeah, i'd be drinking tea, yes. With a pinky, you know, as one does. Actually, I don't think British people do that. I mean as stereotypes. Yeah, I think that's like a thing that we've cooked up from across the pond, don't I'm not sure. Anyways, I could not be more off topic. That's where she would attend Stanley Lake High School, graduating as the valedictorian for the class of nineteen ninety nine. Ooh, I know. I was like, can you imagine like you're on top of the world. Bitch, Yeah, you are the valedictorian at the turn of the millennium.

6:04 Dude, whoa you know? I had that song randomly second my head like three days ago. Really, Yeah, it was very weird. I don't know why. Yeah, well, don't you now though? Maybe you were infiltrating my sick brain from afar lepathy. Weird. She was an intuitive, curious, and compassionate person. Intuitive. Ooh, maybe she's infiltrating, right, I mean, could be, could be? I like it clearly possessing the mind of an engineer, but she was also gifted in the arts. I just feel like that's such an unusual or maybe uncommon is the right word combination.

6:56 Yeah, maybe I don't really know what engineers do. To be honest with you. It's there, it's stem, it's a lot of mass, exactly. It's something like that that I don't exactly know what it does or how it works or why people you're so smart. Yeah. Christilee was a competitive dancer from a young age, performing ballet and modern dance at the Arveda Center for the Arts and Humanities, a passion she carried well into adulthood. Later in life, she made local news in twenty twelve as part of Ballet Nouveau Colorado's adult showcase.

7:36 Ooh, that sounds fancy, doesn't it, though, I'm want to go to the ballet. Her parents divorced when she was five, and she and her brother, Lars Junior grew up in a blended family after their father remarried in nineteen ninety seven, gaining a stepbrother and stepsister. The extended family remained close, within about fifteen minutes of each other, and gathering frequently for birthdays and holidays, often at Lars Senior's home in Lafayette. Oh, I know, the sweet family life. Yeah.

8:18 Christille received an academic scholarship to the Colorado School of Minds to study chemical engineering. So whoa she like roll smart? Yeah, that's like maths and science. I think, like, we think we're not just hat racks compared to her. I know we might be. Yeah, I might be the physical human embodiment of a hat rack. In comparison, it's hard to say. Yeah, just like, let me hold your hat because you're so smart. Yah. Yeah, I will just stand here holding your hat. Thank you very much. Yes, thank you for your service, no tip required. Yes. While working part time at j. C.

9:06 Penny during that period, she met a coworker named Anthony Holland, and the two began a relationship. Anthony was a high school dropout who took her to a rave. On one of their first dates, she encouraged him to get his GED. Wow. Yeah, I feel like just very different speed. It feels like did she talk to him about the GED at the rave. I like to think that was probably like a separate conversation, like you know, a different SA. She's like, boy, you get your d.

9:47 That relationship ended around two thousand, when Christille became more deeply engaged in her studies and the two grew part. She transferred to the University of Colorado Boulder and event completed her degree in biochemical engineering. Her father, Lars Senior, a retired aerospace engineer who emigrated from Norway in nineteen seventy four, is well known in vintage car circles. The New York Times profiled him in two thousand and six as a renowned Corvette carburetor specialist. Oh oh, just such a unique and interesting background.

10:32 Yeah. He and Christiele worked on cars together in his garage. When she was young. She could take a bicycle completely apart and put it back together, according to. Him, engineer. Yeah, an engineer's mind, right. That's cool. That's so sweet. I love a father daughter moment. I know, and I think it's very cool. Obviously, like that was you know, somewhat his background as well. I love you know, a parent that really encourages the child that has an interest, whether it's you know, something like that, you know, engineering, or you know, if your kid is really into cooking, Like, yeah, present in so many different ways.

11:16 And I feel like sometimes, you know, parents get so excited or so stuck on the idea of what they want their kids to be. And thankfully that was a really easy way for them to bond. But I just I don't know, I just think it was really cool. That's sweet. Also, can you imagine having a kid that love cooking? It would be like, great, go. For it, cooky stick. Yeah, every meal? Yeah absolutely. I know this is from like two kidless people, right, I know, but if you could guarantee me that the kid would just be like a real whiz in the kitchen, that might be a discussion worth having. Yeah, but you can't. You got them do what they want.

12:00 Exacts, their passions are yep, and I realized that. So, you know. Christilee's cousin, Rebecca Ivanoff, describes a woman who burst into rooms laden with bags and stories and says there was always so much laughter around her. Christilee met Daniel Bartholomew Krug online after transferring to See You Boulder. He was one month older than Christile, the youngest of five siblings, an Eagle scout and a graduate of a Catholic high school in Lakewood. He had attended the Catholic University of America in Washington, d C. A real man of God, it sounds apparently, which is fine.

12:47 You do you? They began a long distance relationship before Daniel moved back to Colorado. Christille's parents found him somewhat arrogant. Her father describes him as as a cross between a car salesman and a politician. Ew you could say about anybody. I know, isn't it's not. Yeah, it's not necessarily a great. Apologies to all the car salesmen and politicians out there who are actually maybe good people. But right, you have a stereotype. I feel like based on the stereotypes. Combining those two, yeah.

13:28 Like I get an impression, and I wouldn't say it's overtly positive. Yeah. But their daughter was drawn to his intelligence and to the closeness he engineered in the relationship. Oh so he was the engineer of their. Relationship, engineering the engineer. Ooh ooh, that's a good book title. Actually, I'm going to write that down. Write the book, Write the book. Yeah, what's the lady who writes a true crime books? Uh? A rule? It sounds like an Ann rule book. Yeah, I mean and dearly departed. She won't be writing it.

14:11 No, so Caitlyn will. It's a bit of an opening for wah. Caitlyn rule. Yeah, Kitlyn rules, Kitlyn Yeah, oh right, No, that's her last name. Okay, sorry, I thought we thought. I thought we were starting to chant bove. Everything had to be done together, it felt like, according to Linda, her mother. The couple married in two thousand and seven at Holy Ghost Catholic Church in downtown Denver. Can we wait, you said everything had to be done together and then you like moved on really quickly. Is that what you said?

14:52 Yeah, Okay, that was just the mom's impression of kind of their relationship. Okay, so like kind of coda pend Yeah, I would that. Yeah. I don't know that anybody used that word specifically, but that's definitely the vibe. Yeah, that's just what comes to mind. Yeah, that was the takeaway for me. I felt like, but not saying it was. It was just that I'm trying to understand the mother's perspective on it, that's all. Yeah. Broomfield, Colorado is at mid size subourbon city, roughly equidistant between Denver and Boulder, So it's like right in the middle of like kind of the two cities that everybody knows in Colorado.

15:35 I was just gonna say, the only two places I know in Colorado. Yep, exactly. They're in the Anthem neighborhood. The Crews would settle into a large and comfortable four bedroom family home. They lived in a master plan development of winding cul de sacs and ha maintained streetscapes in Broomfields Northwest. The quiet community has great schools, making it a perfect fit for young, happy families like the Kruz. Daniel Krug commuted east of the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment in Glendale. Christilee worked as a project manager for Adulent Technologies, a pharmaceutical and biotech company in the area, a position she held for nearly two decades. Wow, pretty well established.

16:30 Yeah, yeah, she was in it. In it. Alongside their successful professional lives, the couple had three children and their oldest shared Christilee's love of dance. Oh, I just love that. Like she had that connection with like working on cars and like you know, the engineering of it all with her dad, and then she had that special bond with you know, one of her children regarding you know, dance. It's so sweet. Yeah. By the early twenty twenties, tension had entered their marriage. No, it was sounding so perfect, I know, well perfect until it ain't.

17:16 That's where the picture of them goes to negative in the right in the documentary. They tint it like dark. Yeah in that shot. Yeah. Loved Ones began noticing strain between Christille and Daniel. By late twenty twenty three. The couple were apparently sleeping in separate bedrooms and their marriage was struggling. That fall, In September of twenty twenty three, Daniel reported a suspicious person to Broomfield Police. He told officers he had spotted an intruder near their garage as he was pulling in a man in blue jeans and a gray shirt. Patrol officers responded, but were unable to locate anyone matching the description, which figures because I would hardly say it was detailed it's literally just a white man in jeans.

18:16 In a costco outfit. Yeah, like exactly. Daniel said he had run an errand and believed he had closed the garage door behind him. Nothing appeared to have been taken initially, but when Christine came home, however, the couple noticed their spare key was missing from his toolbox. Ew I hate that. It proved to be a haunting oversight in the coming weeks. They immediately got their locks changed, right right. That's not what I have next in my script.

18:58 Oh my god. It was roughly a month later that Christilee made another call to law enforcement regarding an unsettling message that she had received. It arrived on October tewod twenty twenty three and read hope it's okay. I looked you up. I go to Boulder every few weeks and thought we could hook up you game. Christille believed the messages were coming from Anthony Holland, the ex boyfriend she had dated for a brief period around nineteen ninety nine to two thousand, though the two had not spoken in years. The rave guy, Yeah, rave guy exactly. The following day, she received an additional message from the same unknown number though the nature of the message had escalated from unsettling to threatening. There was commentary about Christille's body, and it also told her that she should kill herself. Well what why.

20:05 She wanted dater and then you lose right talk about her body and then you want her dead. Yeah, feels like kind of some in cell behavior, right, it feels. Like I can't murdery shit that I don't know, I just don't like it. Also that, yeah, I don't like where this is headed catline. Frankly, I yeah, no, I'm not a fan. Also, I know you guys can't see my face, but it's been just horrified this entire time she's been saying this part. So it really has been yeah, so creepy. And I keep waiting for you to say, like there was a message written on her foggy bathroom mirror or something. Oh no, like.

20:47 That's what it feels like. Yeah, I mean, it does feel like something out of a horror movie. The messages continue to escalate rapidly in both frequency and menace. They included graphic sexual language, threats against Christie, threats against Daniel, and ominous references to her daily routine, details that only someone close to her someone closely observing her could have known Picky, very Icky not a fan of a stalker. No. One message implied the sender would get rid of her husband so that they could be together, though it did not apparently mention him by name, so it didn't specifically say I will kill Daniel. It was more like, I'm going to get rid of your husband in so many words.

21:43 Another she received from a Holland kicks at gmail dot com contained a recent photo of her husband, taken surreptitiously while he was at work. Ooh, ooh, ooh, this is so like stalker. It's not good. Yeah, your assessment is correct. There was comment about his slow driving, implying the individual might regularly be surveilling her husband. Just following him around town. He reportedly wasn't the only one. She also received a text from the stalker indicating they'd just seen her at the dentist's office.

22:25 I can't imagine. And then you're like thinking about all the faces you like saw around that day, and you're. Like, who was that, right? Who was it exactly? Christille did not minimize the threat quickly, responding the way one would expect someone trained to solve problems would. She was methodical and thorough from the very beginning. In October twenty twenty three, she first contacted the Broomfield Police Department. She maintained a detailed written stalker log documenting every incident and provide it to law enforcement. The Krugs had security cameras installed throughout their home at her father's suggestion. She sought advice from his police chief friend, who told her to upgrade the firearm at her disposal. Lars had previously given her a gun, and he said, yeah, that's this is an actual quote. He said, that gun is way too small.

23:30 You'll have to shoot him way too many times. You need a larger gun because if you need to use it, you need to put him down. Geez, I mean, like not wrong, you don't. Yeah, even if it's they kind of know specifically who this is, or do they they don't actually know? Yeah, right, But just like any. Attacker, you want to put them down, right. You don't want to right popping back up like a murderer in a horror movie. Hey, listen, if we've learned anything, it's double tap from zombie. Land, you know, yeah, exactly. And having the right weapon maybe just makes that a little bit easier.

24:14 You know, I don't think that's legal though, right, If it's self defense, you probably can't double tap them. I mean, I guess unless they tried to get back back. Yeah, yeah, listen, these are yeah, we're not giving you advice just for legal and moral reasons. This is yeah, all hypothetical. Only double tap a zombie, right, Yeah. She bought a nine millimeter six hour with an optical laser sighting system, the same model the chief carried, which is probably what I would do. I'd be like, you know what, good enough for the chief, it's probably good enough for me. Hopefully, Uh, I can handle that bad boy. I actually have fired a nine millimeter six hour, and I decidedly need a lot more practice to handle it.

25:12 Yeah, that's a lot. It's big, it's a big bullet. Yeah. Yeah, I was not prepared because the only other time that I've held a gun it was like a rifle, and the kickback is real intense with a small handgun, oh yeah, versus like a rifle or a shotgun. Speaking of preparation, though, practice and such, she took shooting classes, obtained a concealed carry permit, and carried the sick in a concealed carry purse specifically designed for the weapon. Wow, so she was like serious about it. Yes, well, I mean it's a serious situation.

25:55 It is, yeah, I mean, but she's like, as the threat is escalator, she's taking it equally seriously, Like she is matching what she's being presented with with I feel like, you know, I mean, it's sad to say, you know, and obviously people have different feelings about guns, but you know, she's matching it with equal energy. I would say she even ran home defense drills with her husband and children. Oh my god, the kids. Yeah, I forgot about them. Yeah, that makes us so much worse. I mean it was bad already, but. Yeah, it was never going to be good, is unfortunately the truth of the matter.

26:36 But but those poor kids like had to know what was going on and run home defense drills like it's. Good to do, but no, it's really important. I mean, I would argue, like, you know, there has to be a level of you know, preparedness with you know, children in the home. But this is such a unique situation obviously because it's like possible. Yeah, very much. Christilee included details of her relationship with Anthony in her log Dating back to nineteen ninety nine, when they first met around the time she graduated from high school. Though they had split during her sophomore year of college, he had contacted her occasionally over the years, though she confirmed there had never been any hostility or threats in their previous communications.

27:27 He compared their romance to the notebook. Oh, I don't know why that grosses me out because she didn't like end up together. Yeah. I think probably that's why it's like, maybe don't. Yeah, Still, he was initially the only suspect that she could think of think about that, though, this is a person who, like, this is decades later and she's like, I just don't really like have enemies. I can't think of who this might be. And then also, I think it's fair to point out too that you know that email that I mentioned a Holland kicks Anthony Holland like hello, feels pretty on the nose, right or the Stockers just real deep yeah, which I mean possible, right. I don't know which is worse, I exactly exactly. Christile's cousin, Becky Ivanoff, is a former Oregon state prosecutor who had worked extensively on domestic violence and stocking cases and offered to help. Also tapped for their professional expertise was Jenna Christiele's lawyer's sister, whom she asked to help her pursue a restraining order. She even hired a PI to track down Anthony's last known address because at this point, very much they're like, this is Anthony, Like, we just don't know who else it could be. And

28:58 I get why you might think that. I guess, yeah, get the PI on the case. Yeah, exactly, And if and if it's not him, then it's like, like you said, it's like, oh my god, that's so scary because this person obviously has dug in cheerial life that deep Yeah, deep deep, she thayk. In early November, Christilee sat down with Detective Martinez. Less than a week later, he applied for search warrants that would be sent to Verizon, text Now, and Google. Getting the warrants took several days. Just days prior to the Thanksgiving holiday, the warrants were sent out, Detective Martinez knew that getting results back from these companies would take far longer. It's not unusual for that process to take weeks, if not even months.

29:56 Yeah, I could see why but like, ah, they might caigure it out, hurry up. No, I can't see why. I find that completely unacceptable. Right, don't they just like have to look it up and then send over the Like what did they have to do? Like they have to here's the same we get the records together, Like, I don't know. If authorities show up to my house with a search warrant, I don't get to comply within weeks or months. Yeah, not exactly apples to apples, granted, but fuck that bullshit. Yeah, I guess I was thinking of like how much time it takes to like process evidence, but like you're not giving people records every single day, like you don't have a backlog of records. You're trying to get to the police, right.

30:45 So I would say not, And I think that, you know, there are certainly instances where it's like maybe we prioritize the requests where there's a potential for like violence, this is like a threatening situation. Yeah, I don't know, call me crazy. Oh gosh, seriously, call me crazy. I fucking dare you, dude. As stressful as the situation was and anxious as Cristille and her family were at the time, life keeps on moving. There was a lot in motion as the upcoming holidays approached. Thanksgiving was tense for the family.

31:28 Police were stationed outside their home keeping watch they had someone actually tailing her for a period of time, just in general, out in the world. Yeah, that would be kind of nice. I mean yeah, I mean scary and awful that you have to get to that point, but yeah, hopefully that would at least give you, like some sort of sense of security. Christilee seated herself at the dinner so that she had a clear view of the front door. Can you imagine. I hate that? Uh yeah. Her oldest daughter was performing in the Nutcracker. Because of the stalker, the artistic director at the facility asked her to avoid volunteering or even attending.

32:13 Oh no, and that would be something that she would love to see. Yep, exactly then, just shy of. A month after his sit down with Christille, Detective Martinez issued a revised warrant to Google due to a typo in the previous paperwork. Come on, these things happen. These things happen. It's upsetting though, because I feel like they should have already gotten the response back from Google, Like with records and stuff. I didn't pull it that thread too much. I don't know what like the nature of the typo was. If it was such that like they literally couldn't you know, acknowledge or honor the warrant based on this typo. I can't imagine that that was the case. But I don't know they.

33:04 Spelled the thh can't do it? Skanda. December fourteenth, twenty twenty three. Christille's routine that morning began as it typically did. She drove two of the couple's children to school. Christille texted Dan, who was already on the road, shortly before nine am, asking him to pick up their daughter after school as she had a meeting with Detective Martinez. He responded twenty minutes later, stating that he would, and also letting her know he'd forgotten his lunch. Okay, and this has nothing to do with the case. But I don't ever get those texts because Chris never realizes. I just find it. I've given up on trying to pack him a lunch.

33:55 It's he's such a funny like couple texts though, Oh yeah, I'll grabbed the kids and I forgot my lunch. Oops. Yeah, he's probably can you put that back on the fridge. Yeah, don't eat it though excectly fine exactly. She did not respond to his message, so he called her. For the next three hours, he continued to call her and did not reach her or get a response. Around noon, after sending a series of unanswered texts and calls to Christilee, Daniel called the Broomfield Police non emergency line. In the recorded call, he said, I don't think this is an emergency, but this feels really weird. My wife isn't responding to text messages or phone calls. He asked the police to perform a welfare check. He followed up that call with another to Christille's mother, asking her to check on his wife as well.

35:00 I'm getting stressed. When officers arrived at Promontory Loop, they found a woman badly wounded and seemingly unconscious in the garage. It appeared that her attacker had been waiting for her when she returned to the house and entered the garage. Her purse and concealed handgun lay just inches away. A fuck. She had blunt force trauma to the head and a stab wound to the heart. As Officer John O'Hare opened the garage door for ems. That's when Linda arrived at her daughter's home. Oh, she witnessed the officer performing CPR, cautioning her not to enter the garage.

35:46 You can't tell that to mother. Despite every effort she and those that loved her had made, at forty three, Christille was dead. Her death allowed room Field Police to elevate warrants in the case, given the potential danger posed to not only those closest to Christilee, but perhaps even the broader community. Neither the blunt object or knife were recovered at the scene, so investigative efforts were focused elsewhere. Detectives then reached out to Google, text Now, and Verizon Again. They also went looking for Anthony. A nationwide alert was put out and received ahead, though surprisingly it wasn't on any roads leading out of Colorado, rather in north central Utah.

36:39 Oh, how do you get there? Interesting? Right? They checked his potential addresses, including a friend's home in Eagle Mountain, just forty miles south from Salt Lake City. They were prepared to serve a warrant for stalking. Officers were mystified when Anthony was actually the one to answer the door. They wondered if he had killed Christilee earlier that day, how could he possibly be back in this part of Utah Already. Anthony had no idea what crime he was being asked about, but said, at the time, I honestly thought I was going to jail for something.

37:22 The officer spoke with him inside the home, going over his relationship with Christilee and his whereabouts that day. So it's important to know. He answers the door. He can tell this is very serious and it has a very ominous, you know, vibe already, and he just lets police in, like they don't explain it all. They just ask if they can talk to him, and he's like, come on in, sure. So he's very cooperative seemingly. Wow, that would be crazy too if you really just had no idea what was going on and police came to your door and we're like, did you murder someone? And you really for sure? I've just been here in my underwear? What do you yeah? Exactly.

38:03 Yeah. He had no knowledge of the impersonation campaign, had not contacted Christilee and was not stalking anyone. They did not tell him she had been murdered that morning, so they talked to him about Christille. They get you know, the details of the relationship from his perspective, and they talk about his whereabouts and all of that, but they're not really giving him any information about like why they're there. That's probably good from. An investigative perspective, probably a strong. Strategy if they slip and say, right, I didn't kill her, and they'll be like, right, we never said she ever say right? Brad just answered her question.

38:47 Yeah. Hm. As it would turn out, Anthony had an airtight alibi. At twelve sixteen PM that day. He had purchased a sweatshirt at a local department store, a timestamp to proceed, making it physically impossible for him to have traveled to and from Colorado, so he was immediately cleared. Wow. He also provided employment records confirming he had been in Utah throughout the period the stocking was taking place. So what happened to. The private investigator that was supposed to find him? Right? Yeah, Well, I mean whether it was specifically the private investigator or the cops that were responsible for locating him, right, I guess college. I'm just saying the yeah for sure. No, I mean it's a period of like actually, I mean, it would feel like an absolute eternity if you were personally experiencing this. But remember, like this started in September.

39:53 She was killed December fourteenth, So I mean, you know, like whether it's a private investigator or you know, the cops, it's gonna take time for them to investigate and like make determinations about a lot of this stuff. We didn't have time. We didn't have time. Colorado authorities were left without any basis to arrest him and informed local police they would not be extraditing him on the warrant. Ultimately, they had no proof he was either her stalker or murderer. He didn't have access to a private jet, and commercial flight manifests had been checked. So they're like, even if he tried to like hop on a flight, like we checked for.

40:40 That, I would hope. So, which is smart. Yeah, Well, I mean it's close enough that you would assume he would have driven, because that couldn't be tracked or traced in the same way that like a commercial flight could. Yeah, he had. Been approximately five hundred miles away at the time of the crime, and that was the efficiently verifiable. He has said publicly that he believes Christille's spirit guided him to buy that sweatshirt that day, and that his late mother played a role as well. Oh, he still owns it. Whoa to him, it is not just a piece of clothing, but a symbol of justice for a woman he once loved, which gave me the chili woollies.

41:26 Okay, forgive you for the noepook comment. I know, I know, I think, I think he's absolutely a character in this case that you know, there's very much an opening for some redemption. So the stalker did go deep, like oh my god, mm hmm. Now, for investigators, the question was if Christille's ex, Anthony Holland, wasn't responsible for the threatening messages nor her death. Who was. Digital forensic examiner Randy Pillock of the Broomfield Police Department began examining the threatening messages a handful of hours after the murder was reported. Previously, Christile and law enforcement had waited weeks to get digital records that would show the source of the stalking messages. Once the case became a homicide, the authorities had them within an hour. Oh, of course, pretty typical. All you have to do is die and then they'll take it seriously. We'll get right on it.

42:38 They quickly made a critical discovery, two email and text accounts used to harass Christile had been sending messages from the same IP address. That address belonged to the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment, her husband Daniel's workplace. No oh no, no, mm hmm. Oh my god, he tried to frame her. X mm hmm. What a dick. I know the depths of depravity and just like underhandedness, you're not prepared, but do what you can. You know, psych yourself up. Gerda Loin's becuz I'm plowing through.

43:30 Oh okay, okay. The investigation then moved rapidly. The digital forensic team established that the Burner phones used in the harassment had been purchased with a Visa gift card registered to Daniel's name, and that those phones had appeared in the same locations as Daniel's personal phone on multiple occasions. Confirmed through cell tower data, the photograph of Daniel walking into his office sent to Christilee as a threatening message from the supposed stocker, had been taken in selfie mode using a timer on Daniel's own phone.

44:12 Oh my god, what a what a little sneaky snake. Google searches on his devices the night before the murder, included what happens when you're knocked unconscious? Do people really go unconscious when hitting the head? How hard for head trauma to go unconscious? And oh my god, how much head trauma do you need to cause to knock someone unconscious? Those are very disturbing searches. They really are, They really are. And my dude, hello, do you not think. That like he knew that they were looking for records, Like he knew what was going on in the investigation, so he knew records were possible. He didn't think about his own trailers.

45:00 All smart and they would never look at him work, And you don't think that when they realized that the stalker is using the internet connection at your work, that they're gonna perhaps have some follow up questions for. You, sir, password protected wi Fi. My dude, right, it's a fucking government agency. Yeah, it's not a Starbucks. You can't just roll in and use the Wi Fi. God. Before leaving for work on that December morning, Daniel had pre programmed text messages on Christille's phone to be sent later that morning. One went to her father Lars, one to Detective Martinez, and one to Daniel himself, of course, The messages were designed to create the illusion that Christille was still alive. After he had left the house, he covered the Holme's doorbell camera with blue masking tape taken from a kitchen drawer. Surveillance footage captured Daniel leaving the house at eight twenty four am, approximately thirty minutes later than his usual departure time. Daniel also used her phone to disable the home security system. He deactivated his car's dash cam shortly before stopping for coffee on his way to work. At eight point fifty six am, while still

46:33 in transit, he received the pre scheduled text from Christilee's phone, the messages he had programmed before he left the house. Digital forensics later confirmed her phone had not been used after eight twenty two am. So they know that those were pre scheduled messages. You think you're so slick. He arrived at the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment in Glendale at nine twenty seven am on December sixteenth, twenty twenty three, two days after Christille's death, Daniel Krug was arrested and charged with first degree murder, two counts of stocking, and one count of criminal impersonation. I feel like that's got to be a fucking record. Like, my dude, you had the so to speak, home field advantage, and we figured you out so quickly. Now, admittedly they were already engaged in Christille because of the stocking, right, but wow wow. In his police interview, he acknowledged the marriage had been deteriorating, that they were sleeping in separate bedrooms.

47:59 So I kill her. I must hit her on head a club. He claimed he had asked for a divorce. When confronted with the evidence, he told detectives, I get the narrative you're putting together, but it alleges that I would do this to my children. But soon, like it or not, the truth in horrifying detail would become a matter of public record a trial. And I just love that he tried to pull at that at that thread, that heart string. But it alleges that I would do that to my children, Well, you fucking did. Opening statements in Daniel Krug's trial began April fourth, twenty twenty five. Senior Deputy District Attorney Kate Armstrong told jurors Christile had been putting the pieces together about her husband in the weeks before her death, and that he had been running out of time. She argued he waited for Christille to return from the school drop off and ambushed her in the garage. The prosecution argued at trial that the stocking campaign was not a random scheme, but a calculated attempt by Daniel to win Christille back, to position himself as her protector against a threat that he had manufactured.

49:26 I was just thinking, like, what is the purpose of any of that? Like why are you doing that? But that makes I mean, doesn't make sense. Yeah, but it, I mean in his I can see how he thinks that that makes sense. It makes the closest thing to sense. When that failed to reverse the collapse of their marriage, and when Christille began to suspect the truth, investigators believe Daniel concluded he had to silence her before she could act on those suspicions or file for divorce. So the thing that's really upsetting about that, But there's so many things upsetting about that. But did you not think that actually having this incredibly stressful situation that might actually put increased stress on your marriage? Like you thought this was gonna bring you closer together.

50:22 I could be the hero I could be the hero hero baby Jesus Christ. Like, Oh, to be a mediocre white man and just center myself in every single storyline, regardless of whether or not I'm actually the main character. I'm gonna put myself on a white horse and get me a sword, and it's gonna be great, guys. Jesus fucking Christ. Well, it's pretty clear that Christille understood that this was at a real impasse. At one point, she told her father, referring to the stalker, someone's going to die. It's either me or him. Either I'm going to have to kill him or he's going to kill me.

51:10 No one should have to die. Oh God, it's crazy. She had to like have that thought in her head. Can you imagine your daughter, who has given you three beautiful, incredible grandchildren, coming to you and saying, you know what, either I'm going to die or this person is And just how prophetic that that specific statement was. Yeah. Defense attorney Joe Morales emphasized the lack of physical evidence directly linking Daniel to the attack. No DNA, no blood found on his clothing or in his car, which his daughter confirmed were the same clothes he was wearing when he drove her to the bus stop that morning. They also pointed to partial DNA from an unknown country found on Christille's neck, an unknown DNA recovered from the blue masking tape used to cover the doorbell camera. That source has never been publicly identified. For either, the prosecution argued the totality of the digital evidence was conclusive. I think so, yeah, yeah, number one, yes agree. Also, I would say that the fact that there's partial DNA from an unknown contributor found on Christille's neck, like that could have been one of their children, That could have been anybody that had physical

52:40 Like we've just talked about the trans DNA, right, that's what I was thinking of. And also masking tape that you used to cover the doorbell camera. Do you it's in their family home. Do you not think anybody else has touched it? Like and even people outside the family. It's fuckinge, it's sticky. And it's a doorbell, Like how many people are touching that doorbell? Ringing your bell? Exactly? Like Nah, I'm gonna say I wouldn't hang my hat on that. Now, that's what they had to work with. It would suck to be his defense attorney. I'll just say that the trial ran through multiple weeks and centered almost entirely on digital forensic evidence. Randy Pillock's testimony was central to the prosecution, walking jurors through the IP address trace, the burner phone records, the cell tower data, the scheduled texts, and the selfie mode photograph. Armstrong highlighted the photograph in her closing argument the moment the judge allowed cameras into the courtroom.

53:52 Look at this dick. Yeah. One of Daniel's former girlfriends was called to testify about Daniel's alleged prior pattern of fake persona stalking ew He's done it before. It was amongst some of the most damaging testimony of the trial. She testified that after their relationship ended, Daniel had allegedly stalked her in a nearly identical fashion, creating multiple fake online personas to harass her after their breakup. The pattern she described mirrored the tactics use against Christial almost exactly, though Daniel was never charged in connection with her allegations because he didn't get to kill her, right, Yeah, pretty much.

54:45 So it probably wasn't looked into. Or you know, I don't know, yeah, depending on when it took place. I feel like, you know, there are limitations in terms of you know, technology, and yeah, you know, and in terms of the law. That's a huge piece of this is that the law essentially is like, I don't know, man, like that's not really a crime. There's you know, very specific thresholds for what can be considered stalking, and you know the legality of like, okay, so then how do we charge this person? Like that fucking sucks?

55:28 Yeah. Another noteworthy aspect of the testimony at trial, Anthony would take the stand to testify, clutching a fidget toy to calm his anxiety and staring down the person that had spent months trying to frame him. You'd have a fidget that's so sweet. Why, It's very endearing and relatable. Yeah, that's probably why. Yeah. His sister also testified, confirming that he had been with her and her children during specific dates and times that the stalking incidents occurred. On April seventeenth, twenty twenty five, the jury convicted Daniel Krug of first degree murder, stalking, and criminal impersonation. Judge Priscilla Lowe sentenced Daniel to life in prison without the possibility of parole. The mandatory sentence for first degree murder in Colorado, plus an additional consecutive nine and a half years for the stalking and criminal impersonation convictions. Huh, I'm like life without the possibility of parole plus nine and a half years. So how does that work? Do we just we go get the paddles and bring him back.

56:48 I just keep them alive. Oh my god, can you imagine? Oh my gosh. District Attorney Brian Mason stated this was a brutal, calculated murder preceded by months of manipulation, emotional abuse, and deception. In planning and executing this horrific crime. Daniel Krug terrorized his wife, his children, and an innocent man, all in order to control and then murder a woman who no longer wanted to be with him. Yeah, when you put it that way, it's just like sick, it really is. And not sick in the good way, sick in the very bad way.

57:30 Right. If I can't have you, no one else will. I hate I just hate that so much. Christille's father, Lars, addressed the court, calling the crimes pure selfish evil. He told to judge, obviously, there's never enough justice for a life that has been so wrongfully and horrifically taken. But the legal process and the support and dedication of many people has now at least allowed some relief in knowing that Dan Krue has been held accountable for his actions in achieving some justice for Christilee. Rebecca Ivanov, her cousin, spoke at sentencing the depths of depravity, the manipulation he displayed in torturing Christille and her children, knew no bounds, and the terror he inflicted on her and her children is unimaginable. Christille and Daniel's three children, who were eight, eleven, and fourteen at the time of Christille's death, now ten, thirteen and sixteen. Some good news are in the custody of Christille's brother, Lars Junior and his wife in Boulder, with their extended and close knit family remaining involved and very supportive in their lives. I just felt like that was really important. I don't have a lot more to expand on that, and I feel like the

59:01 less that we like share in terms of specifics about the kids is like, for that's for the best. Yeah, but I like to know that they're like they're okay, okay, yeah. Yeah, I mean they're as okay as three kids that lost their sportful of their parents. Yeah, could be. Yeah. One of the most significant threads to emerge from this case in the months following the conviction is the advocacy work of Christille's cousin, Rebecca Ivanov. Remember she's the former Oregon. Prosecutor, right okay. She has argued publicly that Christille might still be alive had communications companies responded faster to the search warrants that ultimately identified Daniel as the stalker. The digital evidence that exposed him, the IP address, the visa gift card registration did not arrive for weeks after the warrants were filed, weeks during which Christine was still alive, still filing police reports, still trying to protect herself. It's worth examining in detail the specific points at which investigators might have moved faster and what systemic obstacles slowed them, because this honestly sounds like a situation where they did everything that they could.

1:00:22 They actually took this seriously, and they tried to do everything right, and literally just the system hampered them in a way that they just they couldn't help. No one could. I hate that it's so scary because like you have the ability to help and yeah, yeah, like you just can't. But your hands are tied. She has called on state and federal lawmakers to require companies to respond to stocking related search warrants within forty eight hours. Emily Tofft Nestibal, executive director of a Colorado based legal services nonprofit that assisted Christille's family, described the forty eight hour window as more than reasonable, adding that her organization had encountered far too many cases where faster responses could have or would have been life saving, as we believe was true in ms Krug's situation. In Colorado, that law has passed.

1:01:31 Yay. Governor Jared Polis Police Paulis Police, I don't know. The governor signed the bipartisan bill on March thirtieth, twenty twenty six. It now requires social media companies to acknowledge receipt of a court ordered search warrant within eight hours and comply within seventy two. Hell yeah, that is like much more reasonable, which is great for Colorado. In the state of Oregon, Christilee's law was also passed and is now in effect as of May six. Oh that is so cool. Okay, all the rest of the states. Let's go chop chop, get on it.

1:02:15 Though Rebecca Ivanov had originally targeted a forty eight hour turnaround for her current home state, she is pleased that the law now requires communications companies to respond to warrants in five days and social media companies within seventy two hours. Yeah. I can imagine the social media of it all now, Like, yeah, that's really important because so many, so many fucking threats go through on that shit all the time. Absolutely, absolutely, because you can create duplicate or fake profiles. And Yeah, as Rebecca has said of her cousin's case, Christilee did everything right, the system operated as it's currently designed, and she still got killed. She has also said if she were here, she would want something positive to come out of what was a horrific experience for her family.

1:03:12 She would not want any other victims to have to experience what she did. And this is a common sense solution to a system based failure. I think she'd be proud of this work. Oh of course she would. And I fucking hate that she had to be like the sacrifice, you know, to keep this going. She's like the sacrificial lamb. She is hopeful the law can be further strengthened in twenty twenty seven, and continues to advocate for some similar legislation at the federal level. I like her me too. It's like, I don't want to say it's a great thing that like her cousin was involved in the law or politics or whatever, but like, that's very fortunate to have someone who's so passionate about it because it's their family. It's happening too, so that they're going to fight right so hard for it.

1:04:06 No. I mean it's so true because think about there are so many situations where it's like it just takes someone who cares and either will figure out or knows the right steps to take to make the changes that are necessary. So it's like, in a way, this had happened to somebody that like was somehow connected to someone who was either just going to roll up their sleeves and figure it the fuck out, or had the knowledge and resources to do it. I feel like that's that's kind of the unfortunate truth of the matter, is that like that that's kind it feels like that's what it takes.

1:04:47 You feel like you want to do some taro about it. Yeah, I think we should. I think I need that little break. I need some closure. Like it's rough, it was awful, but like there was good things that did come out of it. I mean, that is massive public, public good that has come out of this situation. And I think, you know, in a case like this where it is so stunning, you know, the failure of our existing systems, it's like that's that's what we need to see. We need to see that, like the system gets its shit together, people make it happen, you know. You know.

1:05:34 What I just also keep thinking about is him and the key and like saying he saw a stalker right by the garage and that they like the key was missing. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that that never happened. Yeah, obviously there's so but I mean, there's so many things that it's like, well, i mean, I'm sure he wasn't just lying about every single event every day of their lives, but I'm like, that's something well may and maybe maybe, but you know, it's like all of these things that you look at with such a different lens because it's like him trying to set up that like, oh somebody else did.

1:06:17 This, And I was wondering about like I said, why they got the locks changed? Right, Like that happened. Like if you're if your husband sauce a stalker around your house and your guy's key was missing, you don't think he would change the locks immediately. I know at my house, we sure as shit would And I don't I don't know, you know, if they did or at what point they did, uh Right. I feel like that's kind of one of those details that's like very interesting, but at the same time, because there's so much information and it's like this huge overarching like the case, the case is so much bigger even you know, just what happened to their family, right, Like it becomes about how this has spurned new legislation that hopefully is you know, potentially saving thousands and thousands of lives in the future. Yeah, because the information is available in what is as you know, as they said, completely reasonable.

1:07:25 Yeah, Like I guess you said they could have they could have gotten the locks change and we just don't know, but because it was just like a scare tactic. Right Yeah. And like I said that, you know, there there are a lot of instances like that where it's like, Okay, I could probably try to trace down that specific detail for you know, an hour, maybe not come up with the answer actually, because no one is asking, like me, just like I need to know did they change the L I mean, I feel like there are always people out there that want to know all of these details because you know, especially I think, maybe more so in an unsolved case. Right, yeah, you know every detail matters, you know, especially in an unsolved case. But no, I feel the same way because I have to sometimes I have to sometimes pick a choose because it's like, listen, I'm not gonna, you know, not talk about at length some of these other things because they're just so much more important. I have to. It's a it's a it's a process of letting go sometimes, like those things that I just really am like this honestly does not matter, we won't ever address it again, Like.

1:08:47 And then you let it go, and then I immediately bring it all up, like why didn't you answer this for me? Sometimes and then sometimes there are things that like I have been like no, I I feel like this is important I need to know, and you know that it's like you're like, oh, I guess I didn't even really think about it, so. I didn't even know that I wanted to know that, but thank you. Yeah, exactly. Wow. All right, I'm gonna shuffle a boop. Okay, I'll send you energy, Crystial. I hope you're happy wherever you are, watching over your family and all the laws protecting people.

1:09:32 So let me know kind of in that keyboard cross section, what you're thinking. Okay, is there one by like the question mark? Okay, I'm gonna pull it. Oh oh oh, okay, Night of Swords. Haven't we gotten this one like recently? Have we? I feel like, because the bird was like diving or something or like flying really fast, we're talking about that. I don't know if it's the same one or not. But Night of Swords is interesting because like we were saying, like I literally said, he was he was on his white horse. That's the sharp sword sword. Yeah, why did I say that?

1:10:16 Okay? And then uh I kind of turned right to it. So that was interesting. Oh my god, weird. Ah, I'm freaking the keywords okay, Okay, So the keywords are daring, chivalry, forthrightness, impatience, single mindedness, and insensitivity and Cassie, I don't think you could have known this because we're using the P and w deck. But in the traditional deck he's on a horse with the sword. Yep, a white horse with a sword. Dude, I was just channeling Carrow and I said that, yep. Okay.

1:11:02 So in the traditional deck, if he represents a person, you know, he may be someone who's overly aggressive or argumentative who lives in attack mode. Or he might be a spiritual warrior mister Catholic school. Oh that's right, one who uses his intellect to examine and purify himself. Oh so you like convinced himself he was doing the right thing. I think so. The upright Night may suggest you're passionate about your ideas and believe wholeheartedly in the rightness of your objective.

1:11:42 I could. Yeah, sounds like him. If this card represents an actual person, he's probably a young man who expresses his ideas enthusiastically and may have trouble understanding other viewpoints, Like someone who doesn't want to be with you, right yeah. Maybe like a man who's a cross between a car salesman and a politician. Oh yeah, oh god. He has a quick mind and keen intellect, but may lack true wisdom. Oh my god. Sometimes this night symbolizes an urgent message or an unexpected trip.

1:12:22 Yeah, there were some messages that needed to be that were urgent, that needed to be figured out. In a reading about money, you may need to act quickly on a financial matter, but don't neglect to study the situation before making a decision. Well, it's too late. The upright night may point to a trip for financial reasons or a message about money. Sometimes he heralds a change in your resources. If the reading is about your job, this card can represent a business trip. Sometimes it means a job change or a shift in work related responsibility, as in, you no longer have a job outside of prison and.

1:13:04 You went on vacation for life for life. The knight may also caution you to hold your tongue and bide your time. Diplomacy is important now. In a reading about love, the night may point to a new affair or a change in an existing relationship that brings more freedom, excitement, and openness. It can also recommend being more flexible and tolerant. Hmm, Yeah, the recommendation there is spot on. Yeah, Like, maybe you could have won her back if you were just not an a hole. Just sucked less. Yeah. In general, this car just confirms all my thoughts and feelings about Danielle.

1:13:49 Danielle ew daniel Oh my gosh, well should we say the thing to all the people? Yeah? Oh wait, I had a question about do you have the little book? I want to see what kind of bird it was? The dive bombing bird. It looks like a hawk. I feel like we said that last time, and it was something with hawk in the name, but not a hawk, A goss hawk, goss hawk, goss hawk. Oh that's yeah. How did you know that. Because we've pulled it before and I just remembered it. Okay, yeah, it's a northern gosshawk or ghost shop I don't know.

1:14:29 Yeah, we couldn't figure out how to say a last time either. Yeah, we could look it up, but you know. Eh, you guys have more free time than us. You do it. A tableau of paralyzed beer. Oh. I don't like that. It's like what he was doing to them. Yeah, oh god, is. The little story thing relevant? I mean kind of And I'm not going to read the whole thing because it's basically just like a hop like a not hawk, uh, you know, chasing down its prey. And the last sentence says trapped her here, maybe she could think her way out.

1:15:14 Oh no, I don't like that. I don't like that at all. But yeah, the imagery of the prey, like stock stalking your prey is what we like. Say, I don't like that at all. Ooh, so that really does go with it. That's kind of crazy, it really does. And that was our little interpretation book from the P ANDW deck, which we're pretty sure we read the story last time we pulled the card. But yeah, which may not have been that long ago. I'm not really sure. I don't remember, considering the fact that I pulled out of my butthole. Probably not. It's gotta have been sometime pretty recently, right, I think so?

1:15:58 I mean we could look on Instagram and see true true. Yeah, it's not that hard to check, actually that we can quickly verify. Well, should we say goodbye to the people before I pee my pants? Oh? Yeah, sure, and my stomach is going to eat itself. It needs a snack. Have creepy yes day. We'll see you next Thursday, unless you're fucking stalker. Otherwise, please leave, get the fuck out. See a number. Nobody wants you to hear you, which is like, I don't know does that urge on a stalker if you tell them nobody wants them there, because then they're like, ooh, that makes it more exciting. I feel like they just don't care well, they only.

1:16:40 Care about themselves, clearly treating people like objects. In alleges I would do that to my children. Blow me alleges, Daniel, bitch, please