June 25, 2026

Kristil Krug: She Did Everything Right | Broomfield, Colorado

Kristil Krug: She Did Everything Right | Broomfield, Colorado
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In October 2023, Kristil Krug began receiving threatening messages she believed were coming from an ex-boyfriend she hadn't spoken to in years. She filed police reports, kept a detailed log, installed cameras, obtained a concealed carry permit, and ran home defense drills with her children. She told her father: "Someone's going to die. It's either me or him."

She was right. She just didn't know the threat was already inside her house.

On December 14, 2023, eleven days before Christmas, Kristil's husband Daniel was waiting for her when she came home. What investigators discovered in the hours that followed would redefine everything the people who loved her thought they knew — and expose a level of premeditation that shocked even seasoned law enforcement.

What followed — the digital trail he left behind, the innocent man he spent months trying to frame, and the landmark pieces of legislation her family fought to pass in her name — is the story of a woman who did everything right, the system that wasn't fast enough to save her, and a cousin who refused to let her death be the end of the story.

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Daniel said he had run an errand and believed he

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had closed the garage door behind him. Nothing appeared to

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have been taken initially, but when Christine came home, however,

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the couple noticed their spare key was missing from his toolbox.

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You I hate that.

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It proved to be a haunting oversight in the coming weeks.

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They immediately got their locks changed, right.

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Right, Hi, Cassie, Hi, Caitlin, Hi, creepy people. Oh hello, Hello.

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This is PNW Hants and Homicides, where we chat about

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true crime, the paranormal, and all things spooky in the

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Pacific Northwest the p and W if your nicety mm

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hmmm mmmm. And we also do a little taro reading

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at the end of every episode for a little bit

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of deeper insight into our topic.

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I love that part, you know. I love that part,

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to be honest with you all, it's my favorite part.

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Yeah. She really needs that palette cleanser at the end there.

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Oh yeah, and so to you after my episodes.

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Yes, it's true, it's true. I enjoy the tarro reading

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for both genres, but I really need it at the

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end of your episodes and vice versa. It makes sense,

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it does so I think we were talking right before

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we started recording about a couple of patrons.

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Yes, hello, we have some of those. Yes, I'm getting

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very into my deep voice right now. Okay, So we

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have two Patreon members that we're not sure if we

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shouted you out already, and if we did, then you

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get it twice and now we're writing it down for sure,

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so we know.

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Yeah, and twice twice is nice, you know, is actually

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twice as nice.

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So, speaking of twice, Kelsey has been our patron for

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two months at the Creepy People tier, actually a little

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over two months. It might be about let's see, it'll

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be about three months now.

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Nearly thrice, yes, nearly thrice.

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And then we have Nachelle who's been our Patreon for

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almost a month. So happy month of verse three.

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Love that for you, Exciting for you, exciting for us.

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We also have a ton of free people signing up

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all the time. It's free people.

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Yeah, yeah, I've noticed that they're following and then sometimes

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then they are actually signing up because they are the

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first ones to get all kinds of like prompts about

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whatever deals or special things are going on with Patreon,

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so you can always follow us even if you don't

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want to pay it.

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Oh see true? What's up? What's up?

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Yeah? And if we, for the love of God, can

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get the landscapers to stay away from my window for

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more than sixty seconds at a time, today, we may

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actually be recording a Patreon bonus today that I am

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so excited about.

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Ooh oh, it's exciting, Okay, it is.

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It's basically the length of like a full regular Feed episode,

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and I've been I've been working on it on and

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off for months. It's kind of something a little bit different,

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and I think it's gonna make Cassie so so upset.

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But nobody, nobody officially dies. That's all I can say.

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I've already said too much.

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In fact, oh you have, yeah, eaven all the way.

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No point in doing it now.

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All you think you're gonna keep me off this topic.

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I wouldn't dream of it never.

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All Right, Well, should we do this topic, the one

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that I have in front of me right now? I

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guess maybe for all the normies, Yeah, normies. I like it.

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Christille Grims rud Krug and I don't know if I'm

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saying her maiden name correctly. It's spelled g r Ims

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r u D, so it could be Grimsrud or Grimsrud.

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That's not the name she went by anymore because it

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was her maiden name. But she was born November twenty fourth,

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nineteen eighty and Boulder, Colorado, to Lars and Linda. Oh

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Laura and uh we love alliteration. She grew up in

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its bedroom community, Westminster, about twenty five minutes away, which

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makes it sound fancy. I want her, Yeah, I feel

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like she should have a very posh accent.

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Yeah, i'd be drinking tea, yes.

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With a pinky, you know, as one does. Actually, I

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don't think British people do that.

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I mean as stereotypes.

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Yeah, I think that's like a thing that we've cooked

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up from across the pond, don't I'm not sure. Anyways,

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I could not be more off topic. That's where she

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would attend Stanley Lake High School, graduating as the valedictorian

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for the class of nineteen ninety nine. Ooh, I know.

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I was like, can you imagine like you're on top

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of the world. Bitch, Yeah, you are the valedictorian at

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the turn of the millennium.

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Dude, whoa you know? I had that song randomly second

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my head like three days ago. Really, Yeah, it was

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very weird. I don't know why.

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Yeah, well, don't you now though?

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Maybe you were infiltrating my sick brain from afar lepathy. Weird.

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She was an intuitive, curious, and compassionate person. Intuitive.

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Ooh, maybe she's infiltrating, right, I mean, could be, could be?

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I like it clearly possessing the mind of an engineer,

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but she was also gifted in the arts. I just

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feel like that's such an unusual or maybe uncommon is

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the right word combination.

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Yeah, maybe I don't really know what engineers do. To

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be honest with you.

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It's there, it's stem, it's a lot of mass, exactly.

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It's something like that that I don't exactly know what

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it does or how it works or why people you're

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so smart. Yeah.

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Christilee was a competitive dancer from a young age, performing

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ballet and modern dance at the Arveda Center for the

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Arts and Humanities, a passion she carried well into adulthood.

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Later in life, she made local news in twenty twelve

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as part of Ballet Nouveau Colorado's adult showcase.

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Ooh, that sounds fancy, doesn't it, though, I'm want to

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go to the ballet.

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Her parents divorced when she was five, and she and

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her brother, Lars Junior grew up in a blended family

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after their father remarried in nineteen ninety seven, gaining a

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stepbrother and stepsister. The extended family remained close, within about

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fifteen minutes of each other, and gathering frequently for birthdays

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and holidays, often at Lars Senior's home in Lafayette.

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Oh, I know, the sweet family life. Yeah.

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Christille received an academic scholarship to the Colorado School of

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Minds to study chemical engineering. So whoa she like roll smart? Yeah,

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that's like maths and science. I think, like, we think

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we're not just hat racks compared to her. I know

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we might be. Yeah, I might be the physical human

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embodiment of a hat rack. In comparison, it's hard to say.

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Yeah, just like, let me hold your hat because you're

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so smart.

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Yah. Yeah, I will just stand here holding your hat.

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Thank you very much. Yes, thank you for your service,

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no tip required. Yes. While working part time at j. C.

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Penny during that period, she met a coworker named Anthony Holland,

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and the two began a relationship. Anthony was a high

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school dropout who took her to a rave. On one

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of their first dates, she encouraged him to get his GED. Wow. Yeah,

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I feel like just very different speed. It feels like

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did she talk to him about the GED at the rave.

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I like to think that was probably like a separate conversation,

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like you know, a different SA.

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She's like, boy, you get your d.

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That relationship ended around two thousand, when Christille became more

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deeply engaged in her studies and the two grew part.

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She transferred to the University of Colorado Boulder and event

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completed her degree in biochemical engineering. Her father, Lars Senior,

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a retired aerospace engineer who emigrated from Norway in nineteen

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seventy four, is well known in vintage car circles. The

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New York Times profiled him in two thousand and six

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as a renowned Corvette carburetor specialist. Oh oh, just such

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a unique and interesting background.

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He and Christiele worked on cars together in his garage.

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When she was young. She could take a bicycle completely

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apart and put it back together, according to.

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Him, engineer.

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Yeah, an engineer's mind, right.

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That's cool. That's so sweet. I love a father daughter moment.

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I know, and I think it's very cool. Obviously, like

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that was you know, somewhat his background as well. I

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love you know, a parent that really encourages the child

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that has an interest, whether it's you know, something like that,

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you know, engineering, or you know, if your kid is

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really into cooking, Like, yeah, present in so many different ways.

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And I feel like sometimes, you know, parents get so

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excited or so stuck on the idea of what they

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want their kids to be. And thankfully that was a

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really easy way for them to bond. But I just

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I don't know, I just think it was really cool.

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That's sweet. Also, can you imagine having a kid that

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love cooking? It would be like, great, go.

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For it, cooky stick.

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Yeah, every meal?

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Yeah absolutely. I know this is from like two kidless people, right,

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I know, but if you could guarantee me that the

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kid would just be like a real whiz in the kitchen,

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that might be a discussion worth having.

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Yeah, but you can't. You got them do what they want.

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Exacts, their passions are yep, and I realized that.

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So, you know.

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Christilee's cousin, Rebecca Ivanoff, describes a woman who burst into

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rooms laden with bags and stories and says there was

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always so much laughter around her. Christilee met Daniel Bartholomew

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Krug online after transferring to See You Boulder. He was

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one month older than Christile, the youngest of five siblings,

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an Eagle scout and a graduate of a Catholic high

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school in Lakewood. He had attended the Catholic University of

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America in Washington, d C. A real man of God,

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it sounds apparently, which is fine.

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You do you?

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They began a long distance relationship before Daniel moved back

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to Colorado. Christille's parents found him somewhat arrogant. Her father

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describes him as as a cross between a car salesman

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and a politician.

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Ew you could say about anybody.

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I know, isn't it's not. Yeah, it's not necessarily a great.

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Apologies to all the car salesmen and politicians out there

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who are actually maybe good people. But right, you have

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a stereotype. I feel like based on the stereotypes. Combining

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those two, yeah.

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Like I get an impression, and I wouldn't say it's

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overtly positive.

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Yeah.

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But their daughter was drawn to his intelligence and to

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the closeness he engineered in the relationship.

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Oh so he was the engineer of their.

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Relationship, engineering the engineer.

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Ooh ooh, that's a good book title.

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Actually, I'm going to write that down.

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Write the book, Write the book. Yeah, what's the lady

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who writes a true crime books? Uh?

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A rule?

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It sounds like an Ann rule book.

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Yeah, I mean and dearly departed. She won't be writing it.

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No, so Caitlyn will.

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It's a bit of an opening for wah.

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Caitlyn rule.

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Yeah, Kitlyn rules, Kitlyn Yeah, oh right, No, that's her

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last name. Okay, sorry, I thought we thought. I thought

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we were starting to chant bove. Everything had to be

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done together, it felt like, according to Linda, her mother.

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The couple married in two thousand and seven at Holy

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Ghost Catholic Church in downtown Denver.

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Can we wait, you said everything had to be done

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together and then you like moved on really quickly. Is

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that what you said?

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Yeah, Okay, that was just the mom's impression of kind

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of their relationship. Okay, so like kind of coda pend Yeah,

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I would that.

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Yeah.

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I don't know that anybody used that word specifically, but

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that's definitely the vibe.

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Yeah, that's just what comes to mind.

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Yeah, that was the takeaway for me.

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I felt like, but not saying it was. It was

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just that I'm trying to understand the mother's perspective on it,

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that's all. Yeah.

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Broomfield, Colorado is at mid size subourbon city, roughly equidistant

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between Denver and Boulder, So it's like right in the

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middle of like kind of the two cities that everybody

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knows in Colorado.

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I was just gonna say, the only two places I

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know in Colorado.

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Yep, exactly. They're in the Anthem neighborhood. The Crews would

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settle into a large and comfortable four bedroom family home.

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They lived in a master plan development of winding cul

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de sacs and ha maintained streetscapes in Broomfields Northwest. The

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quiet community has great schools, making it a perfect fit

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for young, happy families like the Kruz. Daniel Krug commuted

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east of the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment

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in Glendale. Christilee worked as a project manager for Adulent Technologies,

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a pharmaceutical and biotech company in the area, a position

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she held for nearly two decades. Wow, pretty well established.

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Yeah, yeah, she was in it.

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In it.

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Alongside their successful professional lives, the couple had three children

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and their oldest shared Christilee's love of dance. Oh, I

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just love that. Like she had that connection with like

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working on cars and like you know, the engineering of

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it all with her dad, and then she had that

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special bond with you know, one of her children regarding

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you know, dance.

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It's so sweet.

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Yeah. By the early twenty twenties, tension had entered their marriage. No,

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it was sounding so perfect, I know, well perfect until

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it ain't.

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That's where the picture of them goes to negative in

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the right in the documentary.

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They tint it like dark.

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Yeah in that shot.

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Yeah. Loved Ones began noticing strain between Christille and Daniel.

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By late twenty twenty three. The couple were apparently sleeping

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in separate bedrooms and their marriage was struggling. That fall,

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In September of twenty twenty three, Daniel reported a suspicious

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person to Broomfield Police. He told officers he had spotted

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an intruder near their garage as he was pulling in

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a man in blue jeans and a gray shirt. Patrol

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officers responded, but were unable to locate anyone matching the description,

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which figures because I would hardly say it was detailed

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it's literally just a white man in jeans.

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In a costco outfit.

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Yeah, like exactly. Daniel said he had run an errand

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and believed he had closed the garage door behind him.

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Nothing appeared to have been taken initially, but when Christine

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came home, however, the couple noticed their spare key was

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missing from his toolbox.

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Ew I hate that.

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It proved to be a haunting oversight in the coming weeks.

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They immediately got their locks changed, right right.

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That's not what I have next in my script.

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Oh my god.

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It was roughly a month later that Christilee made another

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call to law enforcement regarding an unsettling message that she

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had received. It arrived on October tewod twenty twenty three

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and read hope it's okay. I looked you up. I

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go to Boulder every few weeks and thought we could

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hook up you game. Christille believed the messages were coming

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from Anthony Holland, the ex boyfriend she had dated for

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a brief period around nineteen ninety nine to two thousand,

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though the two had not spoken in years. The rave guy, Yeah,

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rave guy exactly. The following day, she received an additional

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message from the same unknown number though the nature of

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the message had escalated from unsettling to threatening. There was

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commentary about Christille's body, and it also told her that

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she should kill herself. Well what why.

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She wanted dater and then you lose right talk about

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her body and then you want her dead.

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Yeah, feels like kind of some in cell behavior, right,

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it feels.

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Like I can't murdery shit that I don't know, I

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just don't like it. Also that, yeah, I don't like

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where this is headed catline.

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Frankly, I yeah, no, I'm not a fan.

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Also, I know you guys can't see my face, but

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it's been just horrified this entire time she's been saying

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this part.

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So it really has been yeah, so creepy.

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And I keep waiting for you to say, like there

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was a message written on her foggy bathroom mirror or something.

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Oh no, like.

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That's what it feels like.

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Yeah, I mean, it does feel like something out of

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a horror movie. The messages continue to escalate rapidly in

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both frequency and menace. They included graphic sexual language, threats

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against Christie, threats against Daniel, and ominous references to her

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daily routine, details that only someone close to her someone

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closely observing her could have known Picky, very Icky not

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a fan of a stalker.

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No.

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One message implied the sender would get rid of her

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husband so that they could be together, though it did

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not apparently mention him by name, so it didn't specifically

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say I will kill Daniel. It was more like, I'm

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going to get rid of your husband in so many words.

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Another she received from a Holland kicks at gmail dot

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com contained a recent photo of her husband, taken surreptitiously

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while he was at work.

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Ooh, ooh, ooh, this is so like stalker. It's not good.

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Yeah, your assessment is correct. There was comment about his

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slow driving, implying the individual might regularly be surveilling her husband.

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Just following him around town.

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He reportedly wasn't the only one. She also received a

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text from the stalker indicating they'd just seen her at

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the dentist's office.

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I can't imagine. And then you're like thinking about all

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the faces you like saw around that day, and you're.

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Like, who was that, right? Who was it exactly? Christille

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did not minimize the threat quickly, responding the way one

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would expect someone trained to solve problems would. She was

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methodical and thorough from the very beginning. In October twenty

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twenty three, she first contacted the Broomfield Police Department. She

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maintained a detailed written stalker log documenting every incident and

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provide it to law enforcement. The Krugs had security cameras

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installed throughout their home at her father's suggestion. She sought

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advice from his police chief friend, who told her to

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upgrade the firearm at her disposal. Lars had previously given

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her a gun, and he said, yeah, that's this is

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an actual quote. He said, that gun is way too small.

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You'll have to shoot him way too many times. You

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need a larger gun because if you need to use it,

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you need to put him down.

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Geez, I mean, like not wrong, you don't. Yeah, even

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if it's they kind of know specifically who this is,

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or do they they don't actually know?

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Yeah, right, But just like any.

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Attacker, you want to put them down, right. You don't

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want to right popping back up like a murderer in

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a horror movie.

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Hey, listen, if we've learned anything, it's double tap from zombie.

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Land, you know, yeah, exactly.

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And having the right weapon maybe just makes that a

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little bit easier.

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You know, I don't think that's legal though, right, If

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it's self defense, you probably can't double tap them.

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I mean, I guess unless they tried to get back back. Yeah, yeah, listen,

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these are yeah, we're not giving you advice just for

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legal and moral reasons. This is yeah, all hypothetical. Only

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double tap a zombie, right, Yeah. She bought a nine

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millimeter six hour with an optical laser sighting system, the

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same model the chief carried, which is probably what I

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would do. I'd be like, you know what, good enough

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for the chief, it's probably good enough for me. Hopefully, Uh,

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I can handle that bad boy. I actually have fired

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a nine millimeter six hour, and I decidedly need a

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lot more practice to handle it.

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Yeah, that's a lot. It's big, it's a big bullet. Yeah.

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Yeah, I was not prepared because the only other time

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that I've held a gun it was like a rifle,

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and the kickback is real intense with a small handgun,

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oh yeah, versus like a rifle or a shotgun. Speaking

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of preparation, though, practice and such, she took shooting classes,

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obtained a concealed carry permit, and carried the sick in

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a concealed carry purse specifically designed for the weapon.

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Wow, so she was like serious about it. Yes, well,

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I mean it's a serious situation.

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It is, yeah, I mean, but she's like, as the

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threat is escalator, she's taking it equally seriously, Like she

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is matching what she's being presented with with I feel like,

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you know, I mean, it's sad to say, you know,

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and obviously people have different feelings about guns, but you know,

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she's matching it with equal energy. I would say she

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even ran home defense drills with her husband and children.

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Oh my god, the kids. Yeah, I forgot about them. Yeah,

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that makes us so much worse. I mean it was

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bad already, but.

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Yeah, it was never going to be good, is unfortunately

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the truth of the matter.

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But but those poor kids like had to know what

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was going on and run home defense drills like it's.

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Good to do, but no, it's really important. I mean,

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I would argue, like, you know, there has to be

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a level of you know, preparedness with you know, children

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in the home. But this is such a unique situation

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obviously because it's like possible. Yeah, very much. Christilee included

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details of her relationship with Anthony in her log Dating

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back to nineteen ninety nine, when they first met around

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the time she graduated from high school. Though they had

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split during her sophomore year of college, he had contacted

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her occasionally over the years, though she confirmed there had

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never been any hostility or threats in their previous communications.

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He compared their romance to the notebook.

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Oh, I don't know why that grosses me out because

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she didn't like end up together.

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Yeah. I think probably that's why it's like, maybe don't. Yeah, Still,

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he was initially the only suspect that she could think

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of think about that, though, this is a person who, like,

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this is decades later and she's like, I just don't

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really like have enemies. I can't think of who this

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might be. And then also, I think it's fair to

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point out too that you know that email that I

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mentioned a Holland kicks Anthony Holland like hello, feels pretty

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on the nose, right or the Stockers just real deep yeah,

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which I mean possible, right. I don't know which is worse,

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I exactly exactly. Christile's cousin, Becky Ivanoff, is a former

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Oregon state prosecutor who had worked extensively on domestic violence

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and stocking cases and offered to help. Also tapped for

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their professional expertise was Jenna Christiele's lawyer's sister, whom she

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asked to help her pursue a restraining order. She even

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hired a PI to track down Anthony's last known address

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because at this point, very much they're like, this is Anthony, Like,

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we just don't know who else it could be. And

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I get why you might think that.

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I guess, yeah, get the PI on the case.

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Yeah, exactly, And if and if it's not him, then

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it's like, like you said, it's like, oh my god,

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that's so scary because this person obviously has dug in

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cheerial life that deep Yeah, deep deep, she thayk. In

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early November, Christilee sat down with Detective Martinez. Less than

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a week later, he applied for search warrants that would

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be sent to Verizon, text Now, and Google. Getting the

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warrants took several days. Just days prior to the Thanksgiving holiday,

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the warrants were sent out, Detective Martinez knew that getting

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results back from these companies would take far longer. It's

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not unusual for that process to take weeks, if not

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even months.

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Yeah, I could see why but like, ah, they might

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caigure it out, hurry up. No, I can't see why.

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I find that completely unacceptable.

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Right, don't they just like have to look it up

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and then send over the Like what did they have

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to do? Like they have to here's the same we

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get the records together, Like, I don't know.

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If authorities show up to my house with a search warrant,

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I don't get to comply within weeks or months. Yeah,

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not exactly apples to apples, granted, but fuck that bullshit.

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Yeah, I guess I was thinking of like how much

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time it takes to like process evidence, but like you're

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not giving people records every single day, like you don't

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have a backlog of records. You're trying to get to

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the police, right.

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So I would say not, And I think that, you know,

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there are certainly instances where it's like maybe we prioritize

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the requests where there's a potential for like violence, this

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is like a threatening situation. Yeah, I don't know, call

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me crazy. Oh gosh, seriously, call me crazy. I fucking

474
00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:14.839
dare you, dude. As stressful as the situation was and

475
00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:18.319
anxious as Cristille and her family were at the time,

476
00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:22.319
life keeps on moving. There was a lot in motion

477
00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:27.559
as the upcoming holidays approached. Thanksgiving was tense for the family.

478
00:31:28.359 --> 00:31:32.279
Police were stationed outside their home keeping watch they had

479
00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:35.519
someone actually tailing her for a period of time, just

480
00:31:35.559 --> 00:31:37.720
in general, out in the world.

481
00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:40.079
Yeah, that would be kind of nice.

482
00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:43.759
I mean yeah, I mean scary and awful that you

483
00:31:43.799 --> 00:31:46.440
have to get to that point, but yeah, hopefully that

484
00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:49.480
would at least give you, like some sort of sense

485
00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:54.119
of security. Christilee seated herself at the dinner so that

486
00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:57.240
she had a clear view of the front door. Can

487
00:31:57.279 --> 00:31:57.960
you imagine.

488
00:31:58.559 --> 00:31:59.119
I hate that?

489
00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:03.960
Uh yeah. Her oldest daughter was performing in the Nutcracker.

490
00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:08.720
Because of the stalker, the artistic director at the facility

491
00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:12.599
asked her to avoid volunteering or even attending.

492
00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:17.680
Oh no, and that would be something that she would

493
00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:18.960
love to see.

494
00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:23.319
Yep, exactly then, just shy of. A month after his

495
00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:28.119
sit down with Christille, Detective Martinez issued a revised warrant

496
00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:31.279
to Google due to a typo in the previous paperwork.

497
00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:36.960
Come on, these things happen. These things happen. It's upsetting though,

498
00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:39.799
because I feel like they should have already gotten the

499
00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:45.200
response back from Google, Like with records and stuff. I

500
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:47.599
didn't pull it that thread too much. I don't know

501
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:51.000
what like the nature of the typo was. If it

502
00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:57.119
was such that like they literally couldn't you know, acknowledge

503
00:32:57.359 --> 00:33:00.519
or honor the warrant based on this typo. I can't

504
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:05.000
imagine that that was the case. But I don't know they.

505
00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:08.759
Spelled the thh can't do it?

506
00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:16.079
Skanda. December fourteenth, twenty twenty three. Christille's routine that morning

507
00:33:16.160 --> 00:33:19.359
began as it typically did. She drove two of the

508
00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:24.000
couple's children to school. Christille texted Dan, who was already

509
00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:26.920
on the road, shortly before nine am, asking him to

510
00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:29.640
pick up their daughter after school as she had a

511
00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:35.480
meeting with Detective Martinez. He responded twenty minutes later, stating

512
00:33:35.839 --> 00:33:38.880
that he would, and also letting her know he'd forgotten

513
00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:44.319
his lunch. Okay, and this has nothing to do with

514
00:33:44.359 --> 00:33:47.960
the case. But I don't ever get those texts because

515
00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:54.599
Chris never realizes. I just find it. I've given up

516
00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:55.799
on trying to pack him a lunch.

517
00:33:55.880 --> 00:34:01.759
It's he's such a funny like couple texts though, Oh yeah,

518
00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:04.480
I'll grabbed the kids and I forgot my lunch. Oops.

519
00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:08.239
Yeah, he's probably can you put that back on the fridge.

520
00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:13.320
Yeah, don't eat it though excectly fine exactly.

521
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:18.800
She did not respond to his message, so he called her.

522
00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:22.639
For the next three hours, he continued to call her

523
00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:27.480
and did not reach her or get a response. Around noon,

524
00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:31.719
after sending a series of unanswered texts and calls to Christilee,

525
00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:37.920
Daniel called the Broomfield Police non emergency line. In the

526
00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:41.920
recorded call, he said, I don't think this is an emergency,

527
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:45.800
but this feels really weird. My wife isn't responding to

528
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:50.320
text messages or phone calls. He asked the police to

529
00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:54.639
perform a welfare check. He followed up that call with

530
00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:58.159
another to Christille's mother, asking her to check on his

531
00:34:58.199 --> 00:34:58.840
wife as well.

532
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:01.360
I'm getting stressed.

533
00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:06.480
When officers arrived at Promontory Loop, they found a woman

534
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:11.800
badly wounded and seemingly unconscious in the garage. It appeared

535
00:35:11.800 --> 00:35:14.280
that her attacker had been waiting for her when she

536
00:35:14.440 --> 00:35:18.440
returned to the house and entered the garage. Her purse

537
00:35:18.519 --> 00:35:22.159
and concealed handgun lay just inches away.

538
00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:23.440
A fuck.

539
00:35:24.679 --> 00:35:27.199
She had blunt force trauma to the head and a

540
00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:32.519
stab wound to the heart. As Officer John O'Hare opened

541
00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:36.519
the garage door for ems. That's when Linda arrived at

542
00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:42.920
her daughter's home. Oh, she witnessed the officer performing CPR,

543
00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:45.559
cautioning her not to enter the garage.

544
00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:47.280
You can't tell that to mother.

545
00:35:48.519 --> 00:35:52.760
Despite every effort she and those that loved her had made,

546
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:59.880
at forty three, Christille was dead. Her death allowed room

547
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:03.039
Field Police to elevate warrants in the case, given the

548
00:36:03.079 --> 00:36:07.119
potential danger posed to not only those closest to Christilee,

549
00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:12.800
but perhaps even the broader community. Neither the blunt object

550
00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:18.119
or knife were recovered at the scene, so investigative efforts

551
00:36:18.360 --> 00:36:23.719
were focused elsewhere. Detectives then reached out to Google, text Now,

552
00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:28.719
and Verizon Again. They also went looking for Anthony. A

553
00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:32.800
nationwide alert was put out and received ahead, though surprisingly

554
00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:36.920
it wasn't on any roads leading out of Colorado, rather

555
00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:39.639
in north central Utah.

556
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:41.679
Oh, how do you get there?

557
00:36:41.960 --> 00:36:42.519
Interesting?

558
00:36:42.639 --> 00:36:42.880
Right?

559
00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:47.360
They checked his potential addresses, including a friend's home in

560
00:36:47.480 --> 00:36:51.920
Eagle Mountain, just forty miles south from Salt Lake City.

561
00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:57.880
They were prepared to serve a warrant for stalking. Officers

562
00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:01.960
were mystified when Anthony was actually the one to answer

563
00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:06.760
the door. They wondered if he had killed Christilee earlier

564
00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:10.559
that day, how could he possibly be back in this

565
00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:15.519
part of Utah Already. Anthony had no idea what crime

566
00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:17.960
he was being asked about, but said, at the time,

567
00:37:18.599 --> 00:37:21.599
I honestly thought I was going to jail for something.

568
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:26.039
The officer spoke with him inside the home, going over

569
00:37:26.119 --> 00:37:30.000
his relationship with Christilee and his whereabouts that day. So

570
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:32.800
it's important to know. He answers the door. He can

571
00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:36.079
tell this is very serious and it has a very ominous,

572
00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:41.119
you know, vibe already, and he just lets police in,

573
00:37:41.320 --> 00:37:43.880
like they don't explain it all. They just ask if

574
00:37:43.880 --> 00:37:47.440
they can talk to him, and he's like, come on in, sure.

575
00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:50.320
So he's very cooperative seemingly.

576
00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:53.320
Wow, that would be crazy too if you really just

577
00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:55.639
had no idea what was going on and police came

578
00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:57.840
to your door and we're like, did you murder someone?

579
00:37:57.880 --> 00:38:00.800
And you really for sure? I've just been here in

580
00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:01.559
my underwear?

581
00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:03.159
What do you yeah? Exactly.

582
00:38:03.320 --> 00:38:05.159
Yeah.

583
00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:09.519
He had no knowledge of the impersonation campaign, had not

584
00:38:09.679 --> 00:38:14.599
contacted Christilee and was not stalking anyone. They did not

585
00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:17.960
tell him she had been murdered that morning, so they

586
00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:21.239
talked to him about Christille. They get you know, the

587
00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:25.079
details of the relationship from his perspective, and they talk

588
00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:27.719
about his whereabouts and all of that, but they're not

589
00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:31.320
really giving him any information about like why they're there.

590
00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:33.559
That's probably good from.

591
00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:37.760
An investigative perspective, probably a strong.

592
00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:41.559
Strategy if they slip and say, right, I didn't kill her,

593
00:38:41.639 --> 00:38:43.920
and they'll be like, right, we never said she ever

594
00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:47.199
say right? Brad just answered her question.

595
00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:52.280
Yeah. Hm. As it would turn out, Anthony had an

596
00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:56.800
airtight alibi. At twelve sixteen PM that day. He had

597
00:38:56.800 --> 00:39:01.639
purchased a sweatshirt at a local department store, a timestamp

598
00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:05.039
to proceed, making it physically impossible for him to have

599
00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:10.440
traveled to and from Colorado, so he was immediately cleared. Wow.

600
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:14.679
He also provided employment records confirming he had been in

601
00:39:14.920 --> 00:39:19.760
Utah throughout the period the stocking was taking place. So

602
00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:20.360
what happened to.

603
00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:22.480
The private investigator that was supposed to find him?

604
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:27.880
Right? Yeah, Well, I mean whether it was specifically the

605
00:39:27.880 --> 00:39:35.480
private investigator or the cops that were responsible for locating him, right,

606
00:39:35.559 --> 00:39:40.079
I guess college. I'm just saying the yeah for sure. No,

607
00:39:40.159 --> 00:39:43.239
I mean it's a period of like actually, I mean,

608
00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:47.039
it would feel like an absolute eternity if you were

609
00:39:47.119 --> 00:39:51.639
personally experiencing this. But remember, like this started in September.

610
00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:58.280
She was killed December fourteenth, So I mean, you know,

611
00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:03.280
like whether it's a private investigator or you know, the cops,

612
00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:07.320
it's gonna take time for them to investigate and like

613
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:09.920
make determinations about a lot of this stuff.

614
00:40:10.719 --> 00:40:11.880
We didn't have time.

615
00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:17.880
We didn't have time. Colorado authorities were left without any

616
00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:21.840
basis to arrest him and informed local police they would

617
00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:25.599
not be extraditing him on the warrant. Ultimately, they had

618
00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:29.400
no proof he was either her stalker or murderer. He

619
00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:32.639
didn't have access to a private jet, and commercial flight

620
00:40:32.719 --> 00:40:37.599
manifests had been checked. So they're like, even if he

621
00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:40.719
tried to like hop on a flight, like we checked for.

622
00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:41.840
That, I would hope.

623
00:40:41.840 --> 00:40:45.400
So, which is smart. Yeah, Well, I mean it's close

624
00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:48.639
enough that you would assume he would have driven, because

625
00:40:48.920 --> 00:40:52.000
that couldn't be tracked or traced in the same way

626
00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:53.639
that like a commercial flight could.

627
00:40:54.239 --> 00:40:55.400
Yeah, he had.

628
00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:58.360
Been approximately five hundred miles away at the time of

629
00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:02.679
the crime, and that was the efficiently verifiable. He has

630
00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:07.440
said publicly that he believes Christille's spirit guided him to

631
00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:10.760
buy that sweatshirt that day, and that his late mother

632
00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:14.840
played a role as well. Oh, he still owns it.

633
00:41:15.400 --> 00:41:19.599
Whoa to him, it is not just a piece of clothing,

634
00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:23.159
but a symbol of justice for a woman he once loved,

635
00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:26.599
which gave me the chili woollies.

636
00:41:26.920 --> 00:41:29.440
Okay, forgive you for the noepook comment.

637
00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:34.440
I know, I know, I think, I think he's absolutely

638
00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:39.199
a character in this case that you know, there's very

639
00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:45.079
much an opening for some redemption. So the stalker did

640
00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:51.199
go deep, like oh my god, mm hmm. Now, for investigators,

641
00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:56.679
the question was if Christille's ex, Anthony Holland, wasn't responsible

642
00:41:56.719 --> 00:41:59.440
for the threatening messages nor her death.

643
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:00.840
Who was.

644
00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:07.519
Digital forensic examiner Randy Pillock of the Broomfield Police Department

645
00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:11.880
began examining the threatening messages a handful of hours after

646
00:42:11.960 --> 00:42:16.960
the murder was reported. Previously, Christile and law enforcement had

647
00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:20.480
waited weeks to get digital records that would show the

648
00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:25.000
source of the stalking messages. Once the case became a homicide,

649
00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:30.079
the authorities had them within an hour. Oh, of course,

650
00:42:30.519 --> 00:42:34.000
pretty typical. All you have to do is die and

651
00:42:34.039 --> 00:42:37.119
then they'll take it seriously. We'll get right on it.

652
00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:42.920
They quickly made a critical discovery, two email and text

653
00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:48.119
accounts used to harass Christile had been sending messages from

654
00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:52.880
the same IP address. That address belonged to the Colorado

655
00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:58.880
Department of Public Health and Environment, her husband Daniel's workplace.

656
00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:07.119
No oh no, no, mm hmm. Oh my god, he

657
00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:08.159
tried to frame her.

658
00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:14.760
X mm hmm. What a dick. I know the depths

659
00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:21.480
of depravity and just like underhandedness, you're not prepared, but

660
00:43:21.960 --> 00:43:26.719
do what you can. You know, psych yourself up. Gerda

661
00:43:26.800 --> 00:43:29.639
Loin's becuz I'm plowing through.

662
00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:32.199
Oh okay, okay.

663
00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:39.480
The investigation then moved rapidly. The digital forensic team established

664
00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:42.440
that the Burner phones used in the harassment had been

665
00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:46.400
purchased with a Visa gift card registered to Daniel's name,

666
00:43:48.039 --> 00:43:51.360
and that those phones had appeared in the same locations

667
00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:56.719
as Daniel's personal phone on multiple occasions. Confirmed through cell

668
00:43:56.800 --> 00:44:01.320
tower data, the photograph of Daniel walking into his office

669
00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:06.320
sent to Christilee as a threatening message from the supposed stocker,

670
00:44:07.599 --> 00:44:10.800
had been taken in selfie mode using a timer on

671
00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:12.000
Daniel's own phone.

672
00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:16.920
Oh my god, what a what a little sneaky snake.

673
00:44:18.039 --> 00:44:21.880
Google searches on his devices the night before the murder,

674
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:27.960
included what happens when you're knocked unconscious? Do people really

675
00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:32.639
go unconscious when hitting the head? How hard for head

676
00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:36.840
trauma to go unconscious? And oh my god, how much

677
00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:41.440
head trauma do you need to cause to knock someone unconscious?

678
00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:44.320
Those are very disturbing searches.

679
00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:49.760
They really are, They really are. And my dude, hello,

680
00:44:50.480 --> 00:44:51.840
do you not think.

681
00:44:51.599 --> 00:44:54.360
That like he knew that they were looking for records,

682
00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:56.440
Like he knew what was going on in the investigation,

683
00:44:56.559 --> 00:44:59.599
so he knew records were possible. He didn't think about

684
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:00.800
his own trailers.

685
00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:06.039
All smart and they would never look at him work,

686
00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:10.920
And you don't think that when they realized that the

687
00:45:11.000 --> 00:45:15.599
stalker is using the internet connection at your work, that

688
00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:18.920
they're gonna perhaps have some follow up questions for.

689
00:45:18.920 --> 00:45:22.280
You, sir, password protected wi Fi.

690
00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:27.079
My dude, right, it's a fucking government agency.

691
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:29.320
Yeah, it's not a Starbucks. You can't just roll in

692
00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:30.320
and use the Wi Fi.

693
00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:35.880
God. Before leaving for work on that December morning, Daniel

694
00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:40.119
had pre programmed text messages on Christille's phone to be

695
00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:44.920
sent later that morning. One went to her father Lars,

696
00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:51.440
one to Detective Martinez, and one to Daniel himself, of course,

697
00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:55.800
The messages were designed to create the illusion that Christille

698
00:45:55.840 --> 00:45:59.400
was still alive. After he had left the house, he

699
00:45:59.440 --> 00:46:03.760
covered the Holme's doorbell camera with blue masking tape taken

700
00:46:03.800 --> 00:46:09.599
from a kitchen drawer. Surveillance footage captured Daniel leaving the

701
00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:14.199
house at eight twenty four am, approximately thirty minutes later

702
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:19.840
than his usual departure time. Daniel also used her phone

703
00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:25.760
to disable the home security system. He deactivated his car's

704
00:46:26.039 --> 00:46:29.760
dash cam shortly before stopping for coffee on his way

705
00:46:29.800 --> 00:46:33.880
to work. At eight point fifty six am, while still

706
00:46:33.880 --> 00:46:40.320
in transit, he received the pre scheduled text from Christilee's phone,

707
00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:43.840
the messages he had programmed before he left the house.

708
00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:49.599
Digital forensics later confirmed her phone had not been used

709
00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:54.239
after eight twenty two am. So they know that those

710
00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:56.199
were pre scheduled messages.

711
00:46:56.760 --> 00:46:58.239
You think you're so slick.

712
00:46:59.320 --> 00:47:02.920
He arrived at the Colorado Department of Public Health and

713
00:47:03.119 --> 00:47:09.079
Environment in Glendale at nine twenty seven am on December sixteenth,

714
00:47:09.559 --> 00:47:14.800
twenty twenty three, two days after Christille's death, Daniel Krug

715
00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:18.840
was arrested and charged with first degree murder, two counts

716
00:47:18.840 --> 00:47:23.639
of stocking, and one count of criminal impersonation. I feel

717
00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:29.400
like that's got to be a fucking record. Like, my dude,

718
00:47:29.559 --> 00:47:34.880
you had the so to speak, home field advantage, and

719
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:41.239
we figured you out so quickly. Now, admittedly they were

720
00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:47.960
already engaged in Christille because of the stocking, right, but

721
00:47:48.599 --> 00:47:54.559
wow wow. In his police interview, he acknowledged the marriage

722
00:47:54.559 --> 00:48:00.280
had been deteriorating, that they were sleeping in separate bedrooms.

723
00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:00.800
So I kill her.

724
00:48:01.719 --> 00:48:06.480
I must hit her on head a club. He claimed

725
00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:10.760
he had asked for a divorce. When confronted with the evidence,

726
00:48:11.119 --> 00:48:14.840
he told detectives, I get the narrative you're putting together,

727
00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:18.079
but it alleges that I would do this to my children.

728
00:48:19.119 --> 00:48:22.960
But soon, like it or not, the truth in horrifying

729
00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:26.239
detail would become a matter of public record a trial.

730
00:48:27.159 --> 00:48:33.800
And I just love that he tried to pull at

731
00:48:33.800 --> 00:48:38.239
that at that thread, that heart string. But it alleges

732
00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:41.079
that I would do that to my children, Well, you

733
00:48:41.159 --> 00:48:47.199
fucking did. Opening statements in Daniel Krug's trial began April fourth,

734
00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:53.039
twenty twenty five. Senior Deputy District Attorney Kate Armstrong told

735
00:48:53.119 --> 00:48:57.880
jurors Christile had been putting the pieces together about her

736
00:48:57.960 --> 00:49:00.840
husband in the weeks before her death, and that he

737
00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:05.039
had been running out of time. She argued he waited

738
00:49:05.079 --> 00:49:07.840
for Christille to return from the school drop off and

739
00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:12.159
ambushed her in the garage. The prosecution argued at trial

740
00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:15.559
that the stocking campaign was not a random scheme, but

741
00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:20.880
a calculated attempt by Daniel to win Christille back, to

742
00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:24.519
position himself as her protector against a threat that he

743
00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:25.719
had manufactured.

744
00:49:26.679 --> 00:49:29.039
I was just thinking, like, what is the purpose of

745
00:49:29.119 --> 00:49:31.719
any of that? Like why are you doing that? But

746
00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:35.199
that makes I mean, doesn't make sense. Yeah, but it,

747
00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:37.599
I mean in his I can see how he thinks

748
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:41.480
that that makes sense. It makes the closest thing to sense.

749
00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:45.719
When that failed to reverse the collapse of their marriage,

750
00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:49.639
and when Christille began to suspect the truth, investigators believe

751
00:49:49.800 --> 00:49:53.599
Daniel concluded he had to silence her before she could

752
00:49:53.679 --> 00:49:57.800
act on those suspicions or file for divorce. So the

753
00:49:57.880 --> 00:50:02.000
thing that's really upsetting about that, But there's so many

754
00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:07.119
things upsetting about that. But did you not think that

755
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:14.280
actually having this incredibly stressful situation that might actually put

756
00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:19.400
increased stress on your marriage? Like you thought this was

757
00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:21.119
gonna bring you closer together.

758
00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:24.559
I could be the hero I could be the hero

759
00:50:24.920 --> 00:50:30.400
hero baby Jesus Christ. Like, Oh, to be a mediocre

760
00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:34.079
white man and just center myself in every single storyline,

761
00:50:34.239 --> 00:50:38.239
regardless of whether or not I'm actually the main character.

762
00:50:38.880 --> 00:50:41.400
I'm gonna put myself on a white horse and get

763
00:50:41.440 --> 00:50:43.960
me a sword, and it's gonna be great, guys.

764
00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:52.039
Jesus fucking Christ. Well, it's pretty clear that Christille understood

765
00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:57.519
that this was at a real impasse. At one point,

766
00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:02.639
she told her father, referring to the stalker, someone's going

767
00:51:02.719 --> 00:51:06.559
to die. It's either me or him. Either I'm going

768
00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:08.960
to have to kill him or he's going to kill me.

769
00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:14.960
No one should have to die. Oh God, it's crazy.

770
00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:17.239
She had to like have that thought in her head.

771
00:51:18.199 --> 00:51:23.199
Can you imagine your daughter, who has given you three beautiful,

772
00:51:24.079 --> 00:51:28.079
incredible grandchildren, coming to you and saying, you know what,

773
00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:31.159
either I'm going to die or this person is And

774
00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:35.360
just how prophetic that that specific statement was.

775
00:51:35.679 --> 00:51:36.679
Yeah.

776
00:51:36.880 --> 00:51:41.280
Defense attorney Joe Morales emphasized the lack of physical evidence

777
00:51:41.639 --> 00:51:46.599
directly linking Daniel to the attack. No DNA, no blood

778
00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:49.280
found on his clothing or in his car, which his

779
00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:52.480
daughter confirmed were the same clothes he was wearing when

780
00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:56.480
he drove her to the bus stop that morning. They

781
00:51:56.519 --> 00:52:00.719
also pointed to partial DNA from an unknown country found

782
00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:05.119
on Christille's neck, an unknown DNA recovered from the blue

783
00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:09.440
masking tape used to cover the doorbell camera. That source

784
00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:15.400
has never been publicly identified. For either, the prosecution argued

785
00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:22.079
the totality of the digital evidence was conclusive. I think so, yeah, yeah,

786
00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:27.559
number one, yes agree. Also, I would say that the

787
00:52:27.639 --> 00:52:32.880
fact that there's partial DNA from an unknown contributor found

788
00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:35.960
on Christille's neck, like that could have been one of

789
00:52:36.039 --> 00:52:40.079
their children, That could have been anybody that had physical

790
00:52:40.519 --> 00:52:43.920
Like we've just talked about the trans DNA, right, that's

791
00:52:43.960 --> 00:52:48.320
what I was thinking of. And also masking tape that

792
00:52:48.400 --> 00:52:51.360
you used to cover the doorbell camera. Do you it's

793
00:52:51.440 --> 00:52:54.519
in their family home. Do you not think anybody else

794
00:52:54.559 --> 00:52:59.360
has touched it? Like and even people outside the family.

795
00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:01.639
It's fuckinge, it's sticky.

796
00:53:01.880 --> 00:53:03.960
And it's a doorbell, Like how many people are touching

797
00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:05.440
that doorbell? Ringing your bell?

798
00:53:06.159 --> 00:53:12.280
Exactly? Like Nah, I'm gonna say I wouldn't hang my

799
00:53:12.440 --> 00:53:15.440
hat on that. Now, that's what they had to work with.

800
00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:18.519
It would suck to be his defense attorney. I'll just

801
00:53:18.559 --> 00:53:23.559
say that the trial ran through multiple weeks and centered

802
00:53:23.599 --> 00:53:29.280
almost entirely on digital forensic evidence. Randy Pillock's testimony was

803
00:53:29.320 --> 00:53:34.760
central to the prosecution, walking jurors through the IP address trace,

804
00:53:35.159 --> 00:53:39.400
the burner phone records, the cell tower data, the scheduled texts,

805
00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:44.719
and the selfie mode photograph. Armstrong highlighted the photograph in

806
00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:51.039
her closing argument the moment the judge allowed cameras into

807
00:53:51.079 --> 00:53:52.159
the courtroom.

808
00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:54.039
Look at this dick.

809
00:53:55.000 --> 00:54:00.159
Yeah. One of Daniel's former girlfriends was called to testify

810
00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:08.000
about Daniel's alleged prior pattern of fake persona stalking ew

811
00:54:08.599 --> 00:54:12.679
He's done it before. It was amongst some of the

812
00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:17.280
most damaging testimony of the trial. She testified that after

813
00:54:17.360 --> 00:54:21.199
their relationship ended, Daniel had allegedly stalked her in a

814
00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:27.360
nearly identical fashion, creating multiple fake online personas to harass

815
00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:31.679
her after their breakup. The pattern she described mirrored the

816
00:54:31.760 --> 00:54:37.199
tactics use against Christial almost exactly, though Daniel was never

817
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:41.320
charged in connection with her allegations because he didn't get

818
00:54:41.360 --> 00:54:45.079
to kill her, right, Yeah, pretty much.

819
00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:47.159
So it probably wasn't looked into.

820
00:54:47.079 --> 00:54:52.519
Or you know, I don't know, yeah, depending on when

821
00:54:52.519 --> 00:54:55.400
it took place. I feel like, you know, there are

822
00:54:55.599 --> 00:55:00.920
limitations in terms of you know, technology, and yeah, you know,

823
00:55:01.440 --> 00:55:05.880
and in terms of the law. That's a huge piece

824
00:55:05.960 --> 00:55:09.320
of this is that the law essentially is like, I

825
00:55:09.400 --> 00:55:13.480
don't know, man, like that's not really a crime. There's

826
00:55:14.119 --> 00:55:19.639
you know, very specific thresholds for what can be considered stalking,

827
00:55:19.800 --> 00:55:23.079
and you know the legality of like, okay, so then

828
00:55:23.840 --> 00:55:27.840
how do we charge this person? Like that fucking sucks?

829
00:55:28.719 --> 00:55:29.760
Yeah.

830
00:55:29.840 --> 00:55:34.760
Another noteworthy aspect of the testimony at trial, Anthony would

831
00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:38.440
take the stand to testify, clutching a fidget toy to

832
00:55:38.519 --> 00:55:42.440
calm his anxiety and staring down the person that had

833
00:55:42.480 --> 00:55:44.880
spent months trying to frame him.

834
00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:48.480
You'd have a fidget that's so sweet.

835
00:55:49.840 --> 00:55:53.920
Why, It's very endearing and relatable.

836
00:55:54.960 --> 00:55:56.480
Yeah, that's probably why.

837
00:55:56.800 --> 00:56:01.840
Yeah. His sister also testified, confirming that he had been

838
00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:05.880
with her and her children during specific dates and times

839
00:56:06.280 --> 00:56:11.760
that the stalking incidents occurred. On April seventeenth, twenty twenty five,

840
00:56:12.239 --> 00:56:16.400
the jury convicted Daniel Krug of first degree murder, stalking,

841
00:56:16.840 --> 00:56:23.239
and criminal impersonation. Judge Priscilla Lowe sentenced Daniel to life

842
00:56:23.320 --> 00:56:27.800
in prison without the possibility of parole. The mandatory sentence

843
00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:33.199
for first degree murder in Colorado, plus an additional consecutive

844
00:56:33.400 --> 00:56:36.039
nine and a half years for the stalking and criminal

845
00:56:36.079 --> 00:56:43.039
impersonation convictions. Huh, I'm like life without the possibility of

846
00:56:43.039 --> 00:56:45.000
parole plus nine and a half years. So how does

847
00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:47.480
that work? Do we just we go get the paddles

848
00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:48.440
and bring him back.

849
00:56:48.519 --> 00:56:53.079
I just keep them alive. Oh my god, can you imagine?

850
00:56:53.559 --> 00:56:58.920
Oh my gosh. District Attorney Brian Mason stated this was

851
00:56:58.960 --> 00:57:05.000
a brutal, calculated murder preceded by months of manipulation, emotional abuse,

852
00:57:05.159 --> 00:57:09.639
and deception. In planning and executing this horrific crime. Daniel

853
00:57:09.719 --> 00:57:14.840
Krug terrorized his wife, his children, and an innocent man,

854
00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:18.800
all in order to control and then murder a woman

855
00:57:18.920 --> 00:57:21.840
who no longer wanted to be with him.

856
00:57:22.119 --> 00:57:24.639
Yeah, when you put it that way, it's just like sick,

857
00:57:25.519 --> 00:57:28.239
it really is. And not sick in the good way,

858
00:57:28.400 --> 00:57:29.639
sick in the very bad way.

859
00:57:30.039 --> 00:57:32.800
Right. If I can't have you, no one else will.

860
00:57:33.280 --> 00:57:35.800
I hate I just hate that so much.

861
00:57:36.800 --> 00:57:41.519
Christille's father, Lars, addressed the court, calling the crimes pure

862
00:57:41.840 --> 00:57:46.920
selfish evil. He told to judge, obviously, there's never enough

863
00:57:47.119 --> 00:57:49.840
justice for a life that has been so wrongfully and

864
00:57:49.960 --> 00:57:53.800
horrifically taken. But the legal process and the support and

865
00:57:53.880 --> 00:57:57.840
dedication of many people has now at least allowed some

866
00:57:58.039 --> 00:58:01.599
relief in knowing that Dan Krue has been held accountable

867
00:58:02.119 --> 00:58:09.480
for his actions in achieving some justice for Christilee. Rebecca Ivanov,

868
00:58:09.519 --> 00:58:14.760
her cousin, spoke at sentencing the depths of depravity, the

869
00:58:14.840 --> 00:58:19.599
manipulation he displayed in torturing Christille and her children, knew

870
00:58:19.639 --> 00:58:23.599
no bounds, and the terror he inflicted on her and

871
00:58:23.679 --> 00:58:29.960
her children is unimaginable. Christille and Daniel's three children, who

872
00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:33.800
were eight, eleven, and fourteen at the time of Christille's death,

873
00:58:34.480 --> 00:58:40.039
now ten, thirteen and sixteen. Some good news are in

874
00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:43.840
the custody of Christille's brother, Lars Junior and his wife

875
00:58:43.880 --> 00:58:48.679
in Boulder, with their extended and close knit family remaining

876
00:58:49.760 --> 00:58:53.920
involved and very supportive in their lives. I just felt

877
00:58:53.920 --> 00:58:57.920
like that was really important. I don't have a lot

878
00:58:58.000 --> 00:59:01.039
more to expand on that, and I feel like the

879
00:59:01.519 --> 00:59:04.840
less that we like share in terms of specifics about

880
00:59:04.840 --> 00:59:07.360
the kids is like, for that's for the best.

881
00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:12.159
Yeah, but I like to know that they're like they're okay, okay, yeah.

882
00:59:11.960 --> 00:59:15.800
Yeah, I mean they're as okay as three kids that

883
00:59:16.360 --> 00:59:21.360
lost their sportful of their parents. Yeah, could be. Yeah.

884
00:59:21.719 --> 00:59:24.480
One of the most significant threads to emerge from this

885
00:59:24.599 --> 00:59:27.760
case in the months following the conviction is the advocacy

886
00:59:27.800 --> 00:59:34.199
work of Christille's cousin, Rebecca Ivanov. Remember she's the former Oregon.

887
00:59:34.239 --> 00:59:36.320
Prosecutor, right okay.

888
00:59:37.719 --> 00:59:41.599
She has argued publicly that Christille might still be alive

889
00:59:41.760 --> 00:59:45.800
had communications companies responded faster to the search warrants that

890
00:59:45.920 --> 00:59:50.559
ultimately identified Daniel as the stalker. The digital evidence that

891
00:59:50.639 --> 00:59:54.960
exposed him, the IP address, the visa gift card registration

892
00:59:55.920 --> 00:59:58.760
did not arrive for weeks after the warrants were filed,

893
00:59:59.440 --> 01:00:03.920
weeks during which Christine was still alive, still filing police reports,

894
01:00:03.960 --> 01:00:08.760
still trying to protect herself. It's worth examining in detail

895
01:00:08.840 --> 01:00:12.760
the specific points at which investigators might have moved faster

896
01:00:13.239 --> 01:00:18.079
and what systemic obstacles slowed them, because this honestly sounds

897
01:00:18.159 --> 01:00:22.199
like a situation where they did everything that they could.

898
01:00:22.239 --> 01:00:26.199
They actually took this seriously, and they tried to do

899
01:00:26.239 --> 01:00:32.400
everything right, and literally just the system hampered them in

900
01:00:32.440 --> 01:00:35.599
a way that they just they couldn't help. No one could.

901
01:00:36.039 --> 01:00:38.719
I hate that it's so scary because like you have

902
01:00:39.719 --> 01:00:44.159
the ability to help and yeah, yeah, like you just can't.

903
01:00:43.960 --> 01:00:48.199
But your hands are tied. She has called on state

904
01:00:48.239 --> 01:00:52.199
and federal lawmakers to require companies to respond to stocking

905
01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:57.960
related search warrants within forty eight hours. Emily Tofft Nestibal,

906
01:00:58.679 --> 01:01:03.559
executive director of a Colorado based legal services nonprofit that

907
01:01:03.679 --> 01:01:09.079
assisted Christille's family, described the forty eight hour window as

908
01:01:10.239 --> 01:01:15.239
more than reasonable, adding that her organization had encountered far

909
01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:19.880
too many cases where faster responses could have or would

910
01:01:19.920 --> 01:01:24.480
have been life saving, as we believe was true in

911
01:01:24.599 --> 01:01:29.880
ms Krug's situation. In Colorado, that law has passed.

912
01:01:31.480 --> 01:01:31.679
Yay.

913
01:01:33.199 --> 01:01:38.480
Governor Jared Polis Police Paulis Police, I don't know. The

914
01:01:38.519 --> 01:01:43.480
governor signed the bipartisan bill on March thirtieth, twenty twenty six.

915
01:01:44.119 --> 01:01:47.599
It now requires social media companies to acknowledge receipt of

916
01:01:47.639 --> 01:01:51.559
a court ordered search warrant within eight hours and comply

917
01:01:51.760 --> 01:01:52.800
within seventy two.

918
01:01:53.400 --> 01:01:58.679
Hell yeah, that is like much more reasonable, which is

919
01:01:58.719 --> 01:02:00.239
great for Colorado.

920
01:02:00.920 --> 01:02:04.920
In the state of Oregon, Christilee's law was also passed

921
01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:08.719
and is now in effect as of May six.

922
01:02:09.519 --> 01:02:12.000
Oh that is so cool. Okay, all the rest of

923
01:02:12.039 --> 01:02:14.679
the states. Let's go chop chop, get on it.

924
01:02:15.800 --> 01:02:19.559
Though Rebecca Ivanov had originally targeted a forty eight hour

925
01:02:19.639 --> 01:02:23.760
turnaround for her current home state, she is pleased that

926
01:02:23.840 --> 01:02:27.760
the law now requires communications companies to respond to warrants

927
01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:33.000
in five days and social media companies within seventy two hours.

928
01:02:33.679 --> 01:02:38.039
Yeah. I can imagine the social media of it all now, Like, yeah,

929
01:02:38.079 --> 01:02:42.320
that's really important because so many, so many fucking threats

930
01:02:42.360 --> 01:02:44.079
go through on that shit all the time.

931
01:02:44.119 --> 01:02:49.320
Absolutely, absolutely, because you can create duplicate or fake profiles.

932
01:02:49.400 --> 01:02:53.599
And Yeah, as Rebecca has said of her cousin's case,

933
01:02:54.719 --> 01:02:59.960
Christilee did everything right, the system operated as it's currently designed,

934
01:03:00.920 --> 01:03:05.400
and she still got killed. She has also said if

935
01:03:05.400 --> 01:03:08.559
she were here, she would want something positive to come

936
01:03:08.599 --> 01:03:11.800
out of what was a horrific experience for her family.

937
01:03:12.880 --> 01:03:15.320
She would not want any other victims to have to

938
01:03:15.400 --> 01:03:18.719
experience what she did. And this is a common sense

939
01:03:18.760 --> 01:03:23.119
solution to a system based failure. I think she'd be

940
01:03:23.159 --> 01:03:24.000
proud of this work.

941
01:03:24.880 --> 01:03:28.440
Oh of course she would. And I fucking hate that

942
01:03:28.519 --> 01:03:31.639
she had to be like the sacrifice, you know, to

943
01:03:31.760 --> 01:03:32.679
keep this going.

944
01:03:33.280 --> 01:03:37.559
She's like the sacrificial lamb. She is hopeful the law

945
01:03:37.760 --> 01:03:41.480
can be further strengthened in twenty twenty seven, and continues

946
01:03:41.519 --> 01:03:45.880
to advocate for some similar legislation at the federal level.

947
01:03:46.559 --> 01:03:49.559
I like her me too. It's like, I don't want

948
01:03:49.599 --> 01:03:52.400
to say it's a great thing that like her cousin

949
01:03:52.679 --> 01:03:57.440
was involved in the law or politics or whatever, but like,

950
01:03:57.480 --> 01:04:00.639
that's very fortunate to have someone who's so passionate about

951
01:04:00.679 --> 01:04:02.920
it because it's their family. It's happening too, so that

952
01:04:02.960 --> 01:04:05.519
they're going to fight right so hard for it.

953
01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:08.920
No. I mean it's so true because think about there

954
01:04:08.920 --> 01:04:11.960
are so many situations where it's like it just takes

955
01:04:12.159 --> 01:04:17.840
someone who cares and either will figure out or knows

956
01:04:18.199 --> 01:04:21.360
the right steps to take to make the changes that

957
01:04:21.400 --> 01:04:26.119
are necessary. So it's like, in a way, this had

958
01:04:26.440 --> 01:04:31.079
happened to somebody that like was somehow connected to someone

959
01:04:31.079 --> 01:04:33.360
who was either just going to roll up their sleeves

960
01:04:33.400 --> 01:04:36.840
and figure it the fuck out, or had the knowledge

961
01:04:36.880 --> 01:04:40.519
and resources to do it. I feel like that's that's

962
01:04:40.599 --> 01:04:43.400
kind of the unfortunate truth of the matter, is that

963
01:04:43.559 --> 01:04:46.360
like that that's kind it feels like that's what it takes.

964
01:04:47.480 --> 01:04:51.079
You feel like you want to do some taro about it.

965
01:04:51.599 --> 01:04:54.880
Yeah, I think we should. I think I need that

966
01:04:54.960 --> 01:04:56.519
little break.

967
01:04:58.360 --> 01:04:59.400
I need some closure.

968
01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:03.280
Like it's rough, it was awful, but like there was

969
01:05:03.320 --> 01:05:05.239
good things that did come out of it.

970
01:05:05.960 --> 01:05:10.599
I mean, that is massive public, public good that has

971
01:05:10.639 --> 01:05:14.840
come out of this situation. And I think, you know,

972
01:05:14.960 --> 01:05:17.639
in a case like this where it is so stunning,

973
01:05:18.599 --> 01:05:22.159
you know, the failure of our existing systems, it's like

974
01:05:22.320 --> 01:05:25.320
that's that's what we need to see. We need to

975
01:05:25.360 --> 01:05:29.719
see that, like the system gets its shit together, people

976
01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:34.239
make it happen, you know. You know.

977
01:05:34.280 --> 01:05:38.199
What I just also keep thinking about is him and

978
01:05:38.320 --> 01:05:41.639
the key and like saying he saw a stalker right

979
01:05:41.920 --> 01:05:44.519
by the garage and that they like the key was missing.

980
01:05:44.920 --> 01:05:48.119
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that that never happened.

981
01:05:48.840 --> 01:05:53.800
Yeah, obviously there's so but I mean, there's so many

982
01:05:53.920 --> 01:05:57.320
things that it's like, well, i mean, I'm sure he

983
01:05:57.440 --> 01:06:00.639
wasn't just lying about every single event every day of

984
01:06:00.679 --> 01:06:05.559
their lives, but I'm like, that's something well may and

985
01:06:05.679 --> 01:06:09.360
maybe maybe, but you know, it's like all of these

986
01:06:09.400 --> 01:06:12.400
things that you look at with such a different lens

987
01:06:13.000 --> 01:06:15.760
because it's like him trying to set up that like,

988
01:06:15.920 --> 01:06:17.559
oh somebody else did.

989
01:06:17.360 --> 01:06:21.679
This, And I was wondering about like I said, why

990
01:06:21.840 --> 01:06:25.079
they got the locks changed? Right, Like that happened. Like

991
01:06:25.159 --> 01:06:29.840
if you're if your husband sauce a stalker around your

992
01:06:29.840 --> 01:06:31.920
house and your guy's key was missing, you don't think

993
01:06:31.920 --> 01:06:33.519
he would change the locks immediately.

994
01:06:34.920 --> 01:06:37.320
I know at my house, we sure as shit would

995
01:06:38.199 --> 01:06:42.199
And I don't I don't know, you know, if they

996
01:06:42.199 --> 01:06:45.840
did or at what point they did, uh Right. I

997
01:06:45.880 --> 01:06:48.239
feel like that's kind of one of those details that's

998
01:06:48.280 --> 01:06:52.800
like very interesting, but at the same time, because there's

999
01:06:52.800 --> 01:06:57.440
so much information and it's like this huge overarching like

1000
01:06:57.519 --> 01:07:00.960
the case, the case is so much bigger even you know,

1001
01:07:01.280 --> 01:07:05.400
just what happened to their family, right, Like it becomes

1002
01:07:05.440 --> 01:07:11.239
about how this has spurned new legislation that hopefully is

1003
01:07:11.400 --> 01:07:15.920
you know, potentially saving thousands and thousands of lives in

1004
01:07:16.000 --> 01:07:21.559
the future. Yeah, because the information is available in what

1005
01:07:21.800 --> 01:07:25.440
is as you know, as they said, completely reasonable.

1006
01:07:25.840 --> 01:07:27.920
Yeah, Like I guess you said they could have they

1007
01:07:27.920 --> 01:07:30.239
could have gotten the locks change and we just don't know,

1008
01:07:30.280 --> 01:07:32.639
but because it was just like a scare tactic.

1009
01:07:32.960 --> 01:07:35.559
Right Yeah. And like I said that, you know, there

1010
01:07:35.679 --> 01:07:39.519
there are a lot of instances like that where it's like, Okay,

1011
01:07:39.719 --> 01:07:43.679
I could probably try to trace down that specific detail

1012
01:07:44.280 --> 01:07:50.239
for you know, an hour, maybe not come up with

1013
01:07:50.360 --> 01:07:53.880
the answer actually, because no one is asking, like me,

1014
01:07:54.239 --> 01:07:56.239
just like I need to know did they change the

1015
01:07:56.280 --> 01:07:59.079
L I mean, I feel like there are always people

1016
01:07:59.119 --> 01:08:01.440
out there that want to know all of these details

1017
01:08:01.480 --> 01:08:06.239
because you know, especially I think, maybe more so in

1018
01:08:06.280 --> 01:08:11.079
an unsolved case. Right, yeah, you know every detail matters,

1019
01:08:11.920 --> 01:08:15.119
you know, especially in an unsolved case. But no, I

1020
01:08:15.639 --> 01:08:19.560
feel the same way because I have to sometimes I

1021
01:08:19.640 --> 01:08:23.239
have to sometimes pick a choose because it's like, listen,

1022
01:08:23.359 --> 01:08:27.319
I'm not gonna, you know, not talk about at length

1023
01:08:27.520 --> 01:08:30.039
some of these other things because they're just so much

1024
01:08:30.079 --> 01:08:36.159
more important. I have to. It's a it's a it's

1025
01:08:36.199 --> 01:08:39.800
a process of letting go sometimes, like those things that

1026
01:08:39.840 --> 01:08:43.359
I just really am like this honestly does not matter,

1027
01:08:44.439 --> 01:08:47.520
we won't ever address it again, Like.

1028
01:08:47.680 --> 01:08:49.720
And then you let it go, and then I immediately

1029
01:08:49.720 --> 01:08:52.359
bring it all up, like why didn't you answer this

1030
01:08:52.439 --> 01:08:52.680
for me?

1031
01:08:54.199 --> 01:08:57.600
Sometimes and then sometimes there are things that like I

1032
01:08:57.800 --> 01:09:00.479
have been like no, I I feel like this is

1033
01:09:00.520 --> 01:09:03.039
important I need to know, and you know that it's

1034
01:09:03.079 --> 01:09:07.119
like you're like, oh, I guess I didn't even really

1035
01:09:07.119 --> 01:09:08.159
think about it, so.

1036
01:09:08.359 --> 01:09:09.920
I didn't even know that I wanted to know that,

1037
01:09:10.000 --> 01:09:10.479
but thank you.

1038
01:09:12.039 --> 01:09:17.239
Yeah, exactly. Wow. All right, I'm gonna shuffle a boop.

1039
01:09:17.840 --> 01:09:24.000
Okay, I'll send you energy, Crystial. I hope you're happy

1040
01:09:24.479 --> 01:09:29.279
wherever you are, watching over your family and all the

1041
01:09:29.359 --> 01:09:31.840
laws protecting people.

1042
01:09:32.880 --> 01:09:38.520
So let me know kind of in that keyboard cross section,

1043
01:09:39.239 --> 01:09:40.119
what you're thinking.

1044
01:09:40.920 --> 01:09:43.880
Okay, is there one by like the question mark?

1045
01:09:44.439 --> 01:09:46.039
Okay, I'm gonna pull it.

1046
01:09:46.800 --> 01:09:51.960
Oh oh oh, okay, Night of Swords. Haven't we gotten

1047
01:09:52.000 --> 01:09:53.119
this one like recently?

1048
01:09:53.920 --> 01:09:54.399
Have we?

1049
01:09:54.960 --> 01:09:57.439
I feel like, because the bird was like diving or

1050
01:09:57.439 --> 01:10:01.279
something or like flying really fast, we're talking about that.

1051
01:10:01.680 --> 01:10:03.119
I don't know if it's the same one or not.

1052
01:10:04.199 --> 01:10:07.399
But Night of Swords is interesting because like we were saying,

1053
01:10:07.760 --> 01:10:10.479
like I literally said, he was he was on his

1054
01:10:10.479 --> 01:10:15.359
white horse. That's the sharp sword sword. Yeah, why did

1055
01:10:15.359 --> 01:10:16.039
I say that?

1056
01:10:16.640 --> 01:10:20.439
Okay? And then uh I kind of turned right to it.

1057
01:10:20.520 --> 01:10:24.880
So that was interesting. Oh my god, weird. Ah, I'm

1058
01:10:24.880 --> 01:10:35.279
freaking the keywords okay, Okay, So the keywords are daring, chivalry, forthrightness, impatience,

1059
01:10:35.720 --> 01:10:41.800
single mindedness, and insensitivity and Cassie, I don't think you

1060
01:10:42.439 --> 01:10:46.479
could have known this because we're using the P and

1061
01:10:46.680 --> 01:10:51.199
w deck. But in the traditional deck he's on a

1062
01:10:51.239 --> 01:10:56.760
horse with the sword. Yep, a white horse with a sword. Dude,

1063
01:10:57.920 --> 01:11:02.239
I was just channeling Carrow and I said that, yep. Okay.

1064
01:11:02.600 --> 01:11:06.800
So in the traditional deck, if he represents a person,

1065
01:11:06.880 --> 01:11:10.640
you know, he may be someone who's overly aggressive or

1066
01:11:10.880 --> 01:11:16.199
argumentative who lives in attack mode. Or he might be

1067
01:11:16.239 --> 01:11:21.199
a spiritual warrior mister Catholic school. Oh that's right, one

1068
01:11:21.199 --> 01:11:26.279
who uses his intellect to examine and purify himself.

1069
01:11:27.079 --> 01:11:30.439
Oh so you like convinced himself he was doing the

1070
01:11:30.520 --> 01:11:30.920
right thing.

1071
01:11:31.479 --> 01:11:36.680
I think so. The upright Night may suggest you're passionate

1072
01:11:36.840 --> 01:11:41.159
about your ideas and believe wholeheartedly in the rightness of

1073
01:11:41.239 --> 01:11:42.079
your objective.

1074
01:11:42.800 --> 01:11:44.760
I could. Yeah, sounds like him.

1075
01:11:45.359 --> 01:11:48.920
If this card represents an actual person, he's probably a

1076
01:11:48.960 --> 01:11:53.560
young man who expresses his ideas enthusiastically and may have

1077
01:11:53.720 --> 01:11:58.439
trouble understanding other viewpoints, Like someone who doesn't want to

1078
01:11:58.439 --> 01:12:02.560
be with you, right yeah. Maybe like a man who's

1079
01:12:02.600 --> 01:12:06.279
a cross between a car salesman and a politician.

1080
01:12:06.479 --> 01:12:08.720
Oh yeah, oh god.

1081
01:12:09.600 --> 01:12:12.720
He has a quick mind and keen intellect, but may

1082
01:12:12.840 --> 01:12:14.039
lack true wisdom.

1083
01:12:15.000 --> 01:12:15.800
Oh my god.

1084
01:12:16.560 --> 01:12:22.399
Sometimes this night symbolizes an urgent message or an unexpected trip.

1085
01:12:22.800 --> 01:12:25.319
Yeah, there were some messages that needed to be that

1086
01:12:25.399 --> 01:12:28.079
were urgent, that needed to be figured out.

1087
01:12:28.960 --> 01:12:31.479
In a reading about money, you may need to act

1088
01:12:31.560 --> 01:12:34.960
quickly on a financial matter, but don't neglect to study

1089
01:12:34.960 --> 01:12:38.479
the situation before making a decision. Well, it's too late.

1090
01:12:40.560 --> 01:12:43.560
The upright night may point to a trip for financial

1091
01:12:43.640 --> 01:12:47.840
reasons or a message about money. Sometimes he heralds a

1092
01:12:47.960 --> 01:12:52.000
change in your resources. If the reading is about your job,

1093
01:12:52.239 --> 01:12:56.159
this card can represent a business trip. Sometimes it means

1094
01:12:56.239 --> 01:13:00.079
a job change or a shift in work related responsibility,

1095
01:13:01.199 --> 01:13:03.920
as in, you no longer have a job outside of

1096
01:13:03.920 --> 01:13:04.479
prison and.

1097
01:13:04.520 --> 01:13:09.119
You went on vacation for life for life.

1098
01:13:09.319 --> 01:13:11.880
The knight may also caution you to hold your tongue

1099
01:13:12.199 --> 01:13:16.279
and bide your time. Diplomacy is important now. In a

1100
01:13:16.319 --> 01:13:19.119
reading about love, the night may point to a new

1101
01:13:19.159 --> 01:13:22.960
affair or a change in an existing relationship that brings

1102
01:13:23.039 --> 01:13:27.920
more freedom, excitement, and openness. It can also recommend being

1103
01:13:28.000 --> 01:13:29.880
more flexible and tolerant.

1104
01:13:30.479 --> 01:13:36.439
Hmm, Yeah, the recommendation there is spot on. Yeah, Like,

1105
01:13:36.520 --> 01:13:38.680
maybe you could have won her back if you were

1106
01:13:38.800 --> 01:13:41.319
just not an a hole.

1107
01:13:41.520 --> 01:13:42.479
Just sucked less.

1108
01:13:42.760 --> 01:13:46.439
Yeah. In general, this car just confirms all my thoughts

1109
01:13:46.520 --> 01:13:49.399
and feelings about Danielle.

1110
01:13:49.560 --> 01:13:54.840
Danielle ew daniel Oh my gosh, well should we say

1111
01:13:54.880 --> 01:13:56.239
the thing to all the people?

1112
01:13:57.279 --> 01:14:00.319
Yeah? Oh wait, I had a question about do you

1113
01:14:00.319 --> 01:14:01.680
have the little book? I want to see what kind

1114
01:14:01.720 --> 01:14:04.680
of bird it was? The dive bombing bird.

1115
01:14:05.600 --> 01:14:06.840
It looks like a hawk.

1116
01:14:07.520 --> 01:14:09.520
I feel like we said that last time, and it

1117
01:14:09.720 --> 01:14:13.000
was something with hawk in the name, but not a hawk,

1118
01:14:13.840 --> 01:14:17.239
A goss hawk, goss hawk, goss hawk.

1119
01:14:17.880 --> 01:14:21.960
Oh that's yeah. How did you know that.

1120
01:14:22.319 --> 01:14:25.560
Because we've pulled it before and I just remembered it.

1121
01:14:25.720 --> 01:14:29.239
Okay, yeah, it's a northern gosshawk or ghost shop I

1122
01:14:29.279 --> 01:14:29.800
don't know.

1123
01:14:29.880 --> 01:14:31.920
Yeah, we couldn't figure out how to say a last

1124
01:14:31.920 --> 01:14:32.399
time either.

1125
01:14:32.800 --> 01:14:34.760
Yeah, we could look it up, but you know.

1126
01:14:35.039 --> 01:14:38.479
Eh, you guys have more free time than us. You

1127
01:14:38.560 --> 01:14:38.920
do it.

1128
01:14:42.560 --> 01:14:44.920
A tableau of paralyzed beer.

1129
01:14:46.680 --> 01:14:49.359
Oh. I don't like that. It's like what he was

1130
01:14:49.399 --> 01:14:50.079
doing to them.

1131
01:14:50.880 --> 01:14:53.600
Yeah, oh god, is.

1132
01:14:53.640 --> 01:14:55.520
The little story thing relevant?

1133
01:14:56.159 --> 01:14:58.279
I mean kind of And I'm not going to read

1134
01:14:58.319 --> 01:15:01.760
the whole thing because it's basically just like a hop

1135
01:15:02.000 --> 01:15:06.399
like a not hawk, uh, you know, chasing down its prey.

1136
01:15:06.640 --> 01:15:11.920
And the last sentence says trapped her here, maybe she

1137
01:15:12.000 --> 01:15:14.399
could think her way out.

1138
01:15:14.800 --> 01:15:17.640
Oh no, I don't like that.

1139
01:15:18.239 --> 01:15:19.479
I don't like that at all.

1140
01:15:20.119 --> 01:15:24.319
But yeah, the imagery of the prey, like stock stalking

1141
01:15:24.359 --> 01:15:26.319
your prey is what we like.

1142
01:15:26.479 --> 01:15:29.279
Say, I don't like that at all.

1143
01:15:30.159 --> 01:15:32.800
Ooh, so that really does go with it. That's kind

1144
01:15:32.800 --> 01:15:35.760
of crazy, it really does. And that was our little

1145
01:15:36.159 --> 01:15:39.920
interpretation book from the P ANDW deck, which we're pretty

1146
01:15:39.920 --> 01:15:42.880
sure we read the story last time we pulled the card.

1147
01:15:42.680 --> 01:15:46.800
But yeah, which may not have been that long ago.

1148
01:15:46.920 --> 01:15:47.680
I'm not really sure.

1149
01:15:47.760 --> 01:15:51.319
I don't remember, considering the fact that I pulled out

1150
01:15:51.359 --> 01:15:52.920
of my butthole. Probably not.

1151
01:15:53.640 --> 01:15:57.880
It's gotta have been sometime pretty recently, right, I think so?

1152
01:15:58.279 --> 01:16:01.960
I mean we could look on Instagram and see true true. Yeah,

1153
01:16:02.000 --> 01:16:04.600
it's not that hard to check, actually that we can

1154
01:16:04.680 --> 01:16:08.439
quickly verify. Well, should we say goodbye to the people

1155
01:16:08.520 --> 01:16:10.479
before I pee my pants? Oh?

1156
01:16:10.560 --> 01:16:13.000
Yeah, sure, and my stomach is going to eat itself.

1157
01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:16.800
It needs a snack. Have creepy yes day. We'll see

1158
01:16:16.800 --> 01:16:22.000
you next Thursday, unless you're fucking stalker. Otherwise, please leave,

1159
01:16:22.680 --> 01:16:23.439
get the fuck out.

1160
01:16:23.600 --> 01:16:24.439
See a number.

1161
01:16:25.239 --> 01:16:29.239
Nobody wants you to hear you, which is like, I

1162
01:16:29.239 --> 01:16:31.880
don't know does that urge on a stalker if you

1163
01:16:32.119 --> 01:16:35.199
tell them nobody wants them there, because then they're like, ooh,

1164
01:16:35.319 --> 01:16:36.840
that makes it more exciting.

1165
01:16:37.399 --> 01:16:40.880
I feel like they just don't care well, they only.

1166
01:16:40.720 --> 01:16:45.880
Care about themselves, clearly treating people like objects.

1167
01:16:45.680 --> 01:16:50.560
In alleges I would do that to my children. Blow

1168
01:16:50.640 --> 01:16:54.159
me alleges, Daniel, bitch, please