July 2, 2026

Ghost of the Gold Dredge

Ghost of the Gold Dredge
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Deep in eastern Oregon, the historic town of Sumpter is home to one of the Pacific Northwest's most fascinating Gold Rush landmarks: the Sumpter Valley Dredge. Built to recover gold flakes from the Powder River, these massive gold dredges operated around the clock, reshaping the landscape and leaving behind towering tailings that are still visible today. Now preserved as the Sumpter Valley Dredge State Heritage Area, visitors can tour one of the largest surviving gold dredges in the United States, explore its mining history, and even try gold panning.

But the dredge isn't just famous for its gold. It's also known as one of Oregon's most unusual haunted locations. For decades, workers, park rangers, paranormal investigators, and visitors have reported eerie footsteps, cold spots, phantom laughter, disappearing tools, flickering lights, and the ghostly figure of a miner known as "Joe Bush." Though no historical records confirm his identity, many believe the friendly spirit watches over the old machinery, sometimes even preventing accidents. Join us as we uncover the true history of Sumpter's legendary gold dredge, the haunting tale of Joe Bush, and one of Oregon's most unique paranormal legends.

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A paranormal investigator did catch an EVP that whispered go,

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but like to where I don't know, So I'm like

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he said go. I don't know if maybe he was

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telling him to leave or like saying go, like start

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this thing up.

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Let's dig for some gold.

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Right, I feel like we need just like a teensy

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bit of clarification.

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Yeah, or maybe he was trying to say gold and

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he just didn't have the energy to get the last

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two letters out.

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Oh shit, he was a goal duh. Yeah, we don't know.

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Hi Caitlin, Hi Cassie, Hi creepy people.

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Hello.

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This is PNW not p pingn W, pn W Hans

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and Homicides, where we chat about true crime, the paranormal,

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and all thingspooky in the Pacific Northwest.

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Or the P and W. If you're nice, nice day.

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And then we also do a tarot reading at the

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end of every episode for some deeper insight into our

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topic that we do. All right, well, are you ready

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to just get into it into some shit?

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You know?

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I am, because it's coming from me. So what could

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it be?

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I don't know.

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So we're going to Sumter, Oregon. Have you heard of it?

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I've heard of it. Oh well, that's kind of surprising.

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Yeah, I think so. Probably anybody from Sumter is like, really.

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What, I've only heard of it because we used to

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go visit, like my grandparents in Union, which is another

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very small eastern Oregon town.

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Are they close to each other?

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They're semi like an hour ish away or so by,

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like LaGrande and.

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What is it like, Baker City is over there? I

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don't know, a bunch of other made up places, a

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bunch of Easterners.

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Oh yes, it's about three hundred and thirty three miles

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east of Portland, Oregon.

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Which I liked that it was three thirty three.

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Three thirty three.

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I was holding back. Why don't hold back. I don't know.

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It's a magical number. Yeah, it's true.

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I wonder what's at six hundred and sixty six miles?

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I mean, I guess it depends directionally. That would be interesting, curious.

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We'll figure it out. Two hundred and sixty six miles

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to the east of Portland.

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Yeah, all right, I'm on it.

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Figure it out. Put the creepy people on it. They

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can get back to us.

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Oh. Perfect.

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So Sumter was one of the first gold mining towns

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in the PNW and there might be some dogs pissing

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me off in the background. I'll try to not talk

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while they're being crazy, but if you hear something, apologies,

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what was I saying?

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I was one of the first mining towns.

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In the Yeah, so I was gonna say gold Rush.

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Yes, gold Rush days.

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Gold was discovered there in eighteen sixty two, which I

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don't know like the dates around gold Rush.

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The eighteen hundreds broadly.

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I assume it was like the sameish time.

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Yeah, but by the early nineteen hundreds they pretty much

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cleared it out, which I think was kind of typical

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of gold mining. They kind of went in and dug

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everything they could out and left. Yeah, but there were

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still gold flakes in the nearby Powder River.

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Ooh.

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I mean it makes sense though, because what would happen

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is it's not that it's not so much that they

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wiped out all of the gold. It's really just that

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it would get it down to where it wasn't so

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easily accessible. You weren't just like you know, making a

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crazy you know, money hand over fist by man and.

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Man in which I have a funny story at the

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very end. It's actually hilarious about miners I love it,

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but something to look.

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Forward to, excellent. So there wasn't really.

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A great way for them to mine the gold flakes

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out of the river. So in nineteen twelve they built

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a dredge, and then two more in nineteen fifteen and

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nineteen thirty five. Oh wow, So they say it's basically

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like a ship on dry land, the dredges, dredges, dredges.

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I feel like I'm saying like it reminds me of

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the Grudge. Yeah, bull, I can think of when I think.

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Of the dredge.

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The dredges were assembled on the Powder River, but they

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were able to travel through Sumter Valley to older, dried

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up parts of the river bud too. Oh, they weren't

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just like floating on the water. That makes sense, I guess.

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And okay, so these things were like huge. I was

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picturing when I first heard. I don't even know if

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i'd heard of a dredge before, Like I think maybe

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i'd heard of it, but I don't really know what

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it was, you know, I don't know. Yeah, I was

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picturing like like in construction of the bucket clothing.

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Oh, I don't know, like that kind of size. Yeah,

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what is that called? I should know. My family's fucking

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like pavers.

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Oh they're gonna be like, why doesn't she know the

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names of equipment?

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But it's fine. Uh, like a loader or a back hoe.

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I don't know, the thing that digs into the ground.

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It's got the big bucket, yeah, like a loader or

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a back hoe. Yeah, and it digs up earth.

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So I was like picturing that kind of size. You know,

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I don't know why it just but they're huge.

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I mean, given the time, I think you could be

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forgiven for thinking it might be something kind of on

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a smaller scale.

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Yeah, the dredges had seventy two buckets that.

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Weighed a ton each.

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Whoa so like kind of like the buckets on those

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things we were just talking about that they had seventy

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two of them that weigh a ton.

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Each, which is a ton.

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Oh and I was like, it's a literal ton, Like

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I'm not just saying ye oh wait a ton, Like

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wait a little much. So the buckets would cut channels

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into the old river bed that water could then flow

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through from like the current river or like the water

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underneath the earth. Yeah, and then it would kind of

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keep the dredge afloat and keep it moving crazy. Go

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to the website I sent you in the chat so

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you can like see it, see the size of it

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and everything.

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Oh okay, you know what this reminds me of. Chris

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will be so proud when he hears this. It kind

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of reminds me of the ride at Disneyland.

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It's like Mark Twain's faery. Oh it does look like

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a fairy.

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Yeah, yeah, most fairies do not have like it. What

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kind of in these black and white photos looks like

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almost a chainsaw on their fronts?

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Say that, Like where the buckets are looks like a

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literal chainsaw that just is sawing through the.

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Earth in black and white photos, they really kind of

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do look like the teeth of a chainsaw, depending on

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the angle.

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Like they're wild looking.

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They are truly a little bit terrifying to behold.

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Like I kind of want to see it in action.

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There's one photo it's down a little ways, but you

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could see like a person standing by it, so you

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got kind of get.

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Like the like a sense of scale.

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Yeah, scale, No, it honestly in this photo where there's

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the two guys kind of like leaning on and sitting

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on like the old timey truck. Like in front of it.

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Oh yeah, you see that one. Yeah, Like it looks

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like it's like almost the scale of like a three

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story house or something.

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Right, and they're a little closer to the camera so

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they look at figure exactly.

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Yeah, it does give you a little bit better of

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like a sort of sense of the scale, like you

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were saying.

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But yeah, did you see the one. It's it's like

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two up from that one. There is like a little

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person down on the right hand corner.

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Oh yeah, you can.

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Yeah, Okay, I think this is the one you're talking about.

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That's crazy. It does like that one is.

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It looks so ominous, you know, it's hard to like

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find the person in that photo.

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And it's a little bit.

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Yeah, I think I really like the one of it's

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like down below a couple. It's like a modern day photo.

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Clearly they've like restored it. The one the picture that's

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taken in twenty sixteen, Like that photo is already ten

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years old.

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But yeah, that's pretty cool.

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Yeah, and we'll talk about the restoration.

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In a little bit.

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So the dirt that was dug up would go inside

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the dredge and it would sift out the gold flakes mechanically.

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The leftovers or tailings got dumped behind the dredge. The

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dredge could go through two hundred and eighty thousand cubic

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yards per month. I think I have another little like

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how much they traveled in a little bit. I'm not

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sure exactly how much that is.

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That's like, it's just not in terms that we usually

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think of likes traveled yards. I'm not really sure, but

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it just doesn't translate in my brain.

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I don't. You guys can picture it. That's what the

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that's the information. That's that.

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The tailings are still there to this day, and the

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piles are over ten feet tall and you can see

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them from satellite imagery. So if you go back to

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that picture.

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So that's what the pilings look like.

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Yeah, that's all the places like it dug up and

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spat out dirt and just left it there.

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So it kind of looks like a maze.

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Yeah, it looks like a labyrinth. They should just turn

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it into a labyrinth. Like the bones are already there,

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let's do this bone.

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You know, that would be fun, like a haunted Yeah,

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I think you can hike through there.

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I think I say it later.

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The three Gold dredges operated seven days a week, twenty

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four hours a day for three hundred and sixty three

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days a year. So like, I wonder what the days

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they took off Christmas obviously, I.

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Mean that's what I want to know. Thangiving are those

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are the burning questions that I have?

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Right? Or New Year's Day is a New Year's say? Thanksgiving?

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You guys? What do you think? I don't know, Probably

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wasn't fourth of July. Oh look I themed it. Ah,

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there you go. Gosh, I wonder if there's a way

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to find out. I don't know. I feel like that

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would take a little too much digging.

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Yeah, I don't know where you would find that.

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I'm sure you could go ask a historian maybe. Yeah.

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So it had a three man crew swapping out every

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twenty four hours. So these poor three men had to

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work twenty four hours straight.

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That's a literal nightmare.

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Yeah, that's like being an er doctor or like working

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on like one of commercial fishing boats.

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Oh yeah, I guess it's kind of like that like

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boat like exhausting the three dredges, only the three dredges. Ooh,

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that's not like something tidally.

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Yeah, it honestly sounds so ominous, like I'm I'm just

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going to keep saying that the.

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Three drudges only traveled a combined eight miles. I think

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it was a little over eight miles, So like that

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makes me think it's very slow, Like they couldn't cover

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eight miles isn't a lot?

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It would definitely be like a slow moving vehicle.

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I think from nineteen twelve to nineteen fifty four.

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Yeah, I mean realistically, like you're not looking for speed, right,

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because they're performing a task like as they go, it

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makes sense that it's like they're not looking to travel

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a great distance.

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They're looking. Yeah, they're crawling.

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Excavate, yes, yeah, but that makes more sense to me

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than the cubic yards per.

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Month does yet.

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But they dug up ten to twelve million dollars in

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gold until they shut down in nineteen fifty four. They

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stop due to environmental concerns and operating costs becoming too high,

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and even making that much, the company was in debt

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at the end.

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Oh interesting, Hey, Cassie, what I haven't done a deep

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dive on, like fact checking this, but I googled it.

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The Sumter Valley Gold Dredge operated continuously twenty four hours

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a day, but routinely shut down operations for two days

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each year Christmas Day, yeah, and.

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Fourth of July. Is it really fourth of July? That

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is so funny? Ah, it was meant to be the theme.

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It's fourth of July week.

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Listen, you did a thing.

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I'm glad we like because I didn't really think about

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asking that question until I was reading it to you.

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So I'm glad you looked honestly, that's really cool. So

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I have another more fun facts for you.

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Excellent.

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So at the time, gold was thirty five dollars per ounce, okay,

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and then when I looked it up today, even it's

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wrong in the article I was reading. So today it

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says it's over four thousand dollars per ounce. Oh shit,

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in the article said like seventeen hundred, and it wasn't

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from that long ago. So I don't know what's going

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on with gold right now. But apparently if you have

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someone you should probably sell it.

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Or I don't know, I don't know, like maybe the

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markets are doing something crazy and actually.

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You should hold to sell high. I don't know. I

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don't know. I don't know.

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It's it going to keep going up? Is it can

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go back down? I don't know what's up with gold.

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It fluctuates, and I don't understand.

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Listen as a party who owns only the gold inner

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jewelry box and very little at that. I'm very interested.

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I would be just tickled if somebody who listens actually

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has like a little bit more information or like know,

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how about, uh, what's going on in the gold market.

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I went on with gold, Yeah.

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What's going on will gold?

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I mean, I'm.

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Sure we could look into it and figure it out.

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But the reality is that we already looked into the

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you know, two days that they're shut down operationally, and

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we we got the answer we wanted there. So I just,

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you know, the sad reality is we're just not gonna.

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We're not gonna.

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That's gonna take more research than that, I think than

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a quick goog.

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I do have a feeling about that.

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All right, let's get back into the drayages. So the

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third and last dredge was built in nineteen thirty five,

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called Sumpter number three. They weren't very creative with the names.

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They didn't have like a nice ship name.

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It's kind of a bummer. But Woman number three, Yeah,

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and she.

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Was actually made from parts of the first two dredges

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that had been disassembled, so they all three weren't running

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at the same time. This one itself dug up about

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four million in gold.

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Damn.

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It was abandoned to deteriorate until it was added to

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the National Register of Historic Places in nineteen seventy one.

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The dredge and surrounding lands were preserved, and Oregon State

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Parks opened the Sumter Valley Dredge State Heritage Area in

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nineteen ninety four. So it is still there today and

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you can go and visit it and tour it.

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It looks cute. I know I want to go. I

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don't think I want to know.

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I know I've been to Sumter, but I don't think

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we've been to the Gold Drudge. I don't know, Mom,

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did we go.

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I think you'd remember that with you although I was

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really young.

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Yeah, maybe not, because it just might have looked like

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a I don't know, like a weird dry lake bed may.

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What is this?

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Yeah, I don't know, but my mom would know. She'll

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tell me. She'll comment on the patreon as one of

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the largest and most successible gold drudges in the US.

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Visitors can take a guided tour of the dredge. Like

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I just said, you can hike through the tailings left behind,

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so you can hike through them, apparently, because that's what

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it was said. It's from my research. You can also

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take a gold panning lesson, which is so freaking cute.

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Well, it's funny because you know, this entire time that

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we've been talking about it, and you were saying like, oh,

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you know, they started doing the dredging, and I was

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thinking about it, and I was like, you know, it

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makes sense that all of these mining towns, once they

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kind of got what they could from like the more

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traditional type of mining, it makes sense that a lot

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of them were like kind of all but abandoned because

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the alternative, unless there was a dread, ultimately was like

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panning for gold, and obviously people did that. That's, you know,

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such an iconic part of the.

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Whole gold rush.

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But yeah, it doesn't seem like the most efficient.

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Endeavor. Yeah, but I want to pan for gold. I mean,

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I'm down.

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Actually, I think my dad does it in his little

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creek by his house. Nah huh, yeah, just like for funzies.

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I don't think he's ever found any Oh, I don't know.

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He finds a bunch of rocks, though, like a bunch

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of cool.

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I was gonna say, there's a lot of there's a

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lot of other cool stuff that you know, if you're

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into that geological jazz.

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So we're talking about this today because I thought it

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was such a unique place to be haunted.

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Like who haunts a gold dread? It's so cool, it's

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very cool.

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I definitely think in any instance where there's like some

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sort of like major scale like agricultural or industrial, you

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know scale operations, like there's probably gonna be casualties just

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based on the.

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Time and the working conditions.

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And yes, yeah, I agree with you, but I'll let

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you get into that.

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I will.

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So, yes, this gold dredge has a ghost aboard, and

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he even has a name, just one, just one. There's

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just one ghost, okay as far as people know, or

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they just combine them all and call him this one

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name that they call him Joe Bush. And I'm not

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sure if there's any relation to any other famous bushes, famous.

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Bushes like the Burning Bush or.

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I was thinking, like George, George W Kate and then

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I was going to sing sing Kate Bush into the

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gold song be digging up that gold be dredging up

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that baby.

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I actually love that. Thank you. I worked really hard

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on that song.

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Although there is no record of a Joe Bush anywhere

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working on or around the town or something, I think

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people have searched for him that they haven't been able

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to find anything. The legend is that he was part

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of the crew who died on board, and it seems

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like it could be a pretty hazardous job. But there

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were only two deaths recorded on all three dredges. WHOA

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really yeah, I mean recorded.

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I don't know. I don't know what goes on unrecorded.

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We hope nothing but Disneyland also, yeah, drag them off

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the property, right.

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They dredge them off the property.

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One wasn't even a work related incident, so I guess

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someone just passed away of some other cause. Oh I'm

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not really sure what it was. But the one that

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happened that was work related happened on the first dredge,

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But the same equipment where the accident happened was used

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in the third dredge, so it's possible it's holding on

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to some energy.

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I'm inclined to say so I did.

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I wasn't gonna say what happened to him, but he

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got sucked into some gears.

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I mean, you have to imagine that's exactly what happened.

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Of course, yeah, I didn't want to like I don't know, No.

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I mean it is, but it's like, you know, I

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don't know, I totally get what you're saying, because it

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is like sort of this like heinous thing that happened

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to the person.

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But it's like at the same.

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Time, it's like, well, I mean it's a dredge and

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you know rough how it kind of operates. I don't know,

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maybe you imagine what happened, and I don't know, there's

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only so many possibilities, right, Like, I don't.

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Know, you guys picture it.

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This man's name was not Joe Bush. But I was

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kind of thinking, like no one really asked is going

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to like ask the spirit its name and get an answer, right,

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not typically unless you're like a psychic, then maybe you'll

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get the name. But so I figured they just like

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gave this ghost a name, so it might not there

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obviously would be record of like a made up name,

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you know.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, Like it's funny because when you said, you know,

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there's no record of him, I'm like, he's a literal ghost.

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Yeah, yeah, or.

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Like what if maybe they just misheard the ghost or

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when they wrote it down they spelled it wrong. And

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what if his legal name was like Josephs or Giuseppe

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or jobin Bouche like Phoebe.

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Buffet like oh yeah yeah, or Jobin jobin Bouchet, Totsma ghosts.

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I don't know, man, but crew have been telling stories

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of spooky events on the dredge since it was built

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in the thirties. In this last third Dredge, I'm not

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sure about previous dredges. I don't know if there were

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any stories from that, but they blame Joe Bush for

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things that went wrong on the dredge, like losing power

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or missing tools or water randomly turning on.

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Okay, I know.

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So I'm like, is this just a oh something went

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wrong it's the ghost or is the ghost actually doing it?

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There's no way to know. There's no way to know.

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But they also say that Joe may have caused mechanical

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failures to save people. Oh like maybe someone was about

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to get hurt by some equipment, maybe some gears, and

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then he like shut things down to avoid that.

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Yeah, so like a benevolent spirit.

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Yeah, which kind of does make me think like maybe

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he was the one who passed away in the accident.

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That's what I'm saying.

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I'm like that lends credence to the idea that like

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there was retained energy when they transferred the equipment from

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one dredge to another. I'm just saying that's interesting. That's

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my working theory for now.

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I like it. I like the theory.

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A former crew even like to reminisce about him at

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the annual Dredge workers union held reunion held every June.

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I don't know how many of them are.

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Left, Yeah, I mean I have to imagine not too many.

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I don't know if they still have it.

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The dredge is shut down in like what you said,

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like the fifties or something fifty four.

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Yeah, so I don't know how old the article was.

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I was reading that say they still that they have

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the workers reunion, but hopefully they still do. Hopefully there's

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still a couple of them. Because there was like a

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local story about the ghost and they had some old

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some former workers.

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Quoted in the article, and they just it was cute.

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They were just talking about the ghosts, being a little

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sassy about it.

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I liked it. Historical cuteness.

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Visitors to the Dredge still report feeling cold spots, hearing

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strange noises like footsteps grinding gears, which now kind of

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seems a little ominous. Uh yeah, maybe I will leave

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that part in. I was just gonna cut it out,

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but maybe you should.

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That is so creepy. No, and that like that really

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ties it together. Otherwise it's kind of like, okay, well

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it's a dredge like that could seem like just kind

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of an imagined you know what I mean.

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Yeah, but like with the context.

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The full context, that makes it so much spookier.

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Okay, well, sorry for laughing.

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When I said that the man, the poor man was

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sucked into the gears, it was very uncomfortable laughter. Yes,

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so these people hear the visitors today, that's what we're

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talking about.

484
00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:23.319
What they hear.

485
00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:26.640
They hear doors slamming, even when things are locked up too.

486
00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:28.640
Oh I don't like that.

487
00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:34.559
So just some like ghosty ramblings and rumblings around the Dredge,

488
00:26:34.720 --> 00:26:40.039
just shenanigans. Joe has also been blamed for stealing lunches,

489
00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:43.599
and I'm not sure if this was the workers lunches

490
00:26:43.720 --> 00:26:48.039
or like nowadays, people's lunches either way, Joe, don't touch

491
00:26:48.079 --> 00:26:48.680
my sandwich.

492
00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:54.160
I'm super not okay with that. If you mess with

493
00:26:54.240 --> 00:26:57.160
my food, we.

494
00:26:57.119 --> 00:26:59.319
Are not gonna be friends.

495
00:27:01.519 --> 00:27:06.720
Keep away. We need a ghost proof lunch box. People

496
00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:10.039
have felt like they're being watched, or felt a hand

497
00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:14.480
on their shoulder, or heard a man's laugh, which that

498
00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:18.000
could be some like residual too of just like workers

499
00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:24.759
chilling and working and laughing and the laughter echoes throughout.

500
00:27:24.519 --> 00:27:29.279
Time, all right, I mean I guess, or it could

501
00:27:29.319 --> 00:27:30.680
be a straight up ghost. We don't know.

502
00:27:31.480 --> 00:27:34.039
Could be that certainly could be.

503
00:27:34.039 --> 00:27:43.039
That laughing at you because he's took your lunch, or

504
00:27:43.480 --> 00:27:43.920
I don't.

505
00:27:43.759 --> 00:27:46.960
Know, Yeah, it could be. It could be.

506
00:27:47.240 --> 00:27:52.119
I'm like, is it uncomfortable laughter? Maybe, like like I mean,

507
00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:55.599
you said it, you were laughing uncomfortably talking about the

508
00:27:55.640 --> 00:28:02.400
person that died, which I'm like, listen, anybody who listens, Like,

509
00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:05.079
if you don't know by now that a lot of

510
00:28:05.079 --> 00:28:10.599
our laughter is just deeply uncomfortable, then I don't know

511
00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:11.920
how to help you first of all.

512
00:28:12.519 --> 00:28:19.079
And yeah, yeah, maybe he's uncomfortable laughing with us.

513
00:28:19.480 --> 00:28:20.839
Yeah, could be, could be.

514
00:28:21.519 --> 00:28:25.119
In the infamous words of simply read, if you don't

515
00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:29.000
know me by now, then you will never never never

516
00:28:29.079 --> 00:28:29.359
know me.

517
00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:31.920
Ooh, that's deep.

518
00:28:33.160 --> 00:28:37.559
I mean, I guess you will never never ever know me.

519
00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:43.960
A park ranger said he heard someone breathing behind him

520
00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:47.240
in an otherwise empty room. No, oh, the control room

521
00:28:47.319 --> 00:28:48.200
is the control room.

522
00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:49.000
I don't.

523
00:28:50.440 --> 00:28:54.359
Another saw the lights flickering even though the power was off.

524
00:28:55.279 --> 00:29:01.480
I really don't like situations like that, yeah, because it

525
00:29:01.599 --> 00:29:04.920
makes me feel like there is no rhyme or reason

526
00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:12.279
we control nothing in this universe, and I simply cannot

527
00:29:12.279 --> 00:29:12.599
have that.

528
00:29:13.720 --> 00:29:15.880
Yeah, can we just not, like, don't mess with the

529
00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:18.799
lights because I Okay, I did something dumb last night.

530
00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:22.359
So I'm house sitting out in the woods and just

531
00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:25.279
with like three dogs all by myself, and I decided

532
00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:28.160
to watch Scream seven because I hadn't seen it yet.

533
00:29:28.839 --> 00:29:31.160
And it's I was like, screams, aren't that scary?

534
00:29:31.240 --> 00:29:31.400
Right?

535
00:29:31.400 --> 00:29:33.079
They're like it's scream It's.

536
00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:37.599
Like, I mean, it's like horror movie light right right.

537
00:29:38.440 --> 00:29:43.759
I was like scared, really, Yeah, And I kept hearing stuff,

538
00:29:43.799 --> 00:29:45.680
like I'm sure it was like birds or some shit

539
00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:48.680
on the roof, but I kept hearing things. And then

540
00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:51.359
so he goes around in like houses and he'll like

541
00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:54.039
turn off the lights and people are like why, or

542
00:29:54.079 --> 00:29:56.559
he'll turn on the lights like really bright so you

543
00:29:56.599 --> 00:30:01.119
can't see ill. I was scared. I love it was great,

544
00:30:01.279 --> 00:30:03.279
but I was like mistakes were made. I could have

545
00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:04.559
watched this at a different time.

546
00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:08.079
Yeah, yeah, this is a really good movie.

547
00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:11.359
Though I was like, huh, these deaths are interesting, Like

548
00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:16.119
who oh who came up with this? Because I'm entertained

549
00:30:16.160 --> 00:30:20.039
and horrified and grossed out, I could barely watch it.

550
00:30:20.079 --> 00:30:22.119
But I was like, man, this is like it's an

551
00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:23.480
interesting this anyway.

552
00:30:23.720 --> 00:30:24.920
Huh, good to know.

553
00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:27.680
That's my story about lights. But that's why I'm scared,

554
00:30:27.680 --> 00:30:29.519
because I'm like, it could be a murderer. So like,

555
00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:32.000
ghosts don't mess with the lights, so we can tell

556
00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:33.880
the difference and protect ourselves.

557
00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:39.920
Yeah, that would be just super helpful. Ghost face. It

558
00:30:39.960 --> 00:30:41.960
all connects.

559
00:30:43.119 --> 00:30:45.720
So you're probably not gonna like this part either.

560
00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:49.400
Okay, great, great? I cannot wait.

561
00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:52.279
When the lights were flickering on and off, when that

562
00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:55.000
park ranger saw the lights flickering on and off, there

563
00:30:55.079 --> 00:30:58.720
was a thunderstorm, and so I'm like, well, was he

564
00:30:58.839 --> 00:31:02.039
just being the thunder mabe or making the power go

565
00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:03.960
on and off? But he said the breakers were off,

566
00:31:05.119 --> 00:31:08.920
so that's interesting. But then later he found a wet

567
00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:16.400
footprint inside leading towards the exit. It was raining, I guess,

568
00:31:16.440 --> 00:31:18.279
So I don't know if the ghost like was out

569
00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:20.279
and the rain and came in, or maybe he's just

570
00:31:20.279 --> 00:31:24.000
like constantly soggy because he worked in like a soggy environment.

571
00:31:24.599 --> 00:31:29.720
I I no, no, no, thank.

572
00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:37.039
You, Joe Bush soggy Man. Joe was said to stand

573
00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:41.119
on the viewing platform in the engine room. His apparition

574
00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:45.079
has been seen in worn overalls, workers boots, and a

575
00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:47.359
miner's cap, so that's kind of cool. Like I don't

576
00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:49.680
know if people maybe are just seeing that because they

577
00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:52.400
were told he was a miner.

578
00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:53.599
Or I don't know.

579
00:31:53.680 --> 00:31:57.519
I mean, I do think there's something too like if

580
00:31:57.559 --> 00:32:01.079
you have like maybe heard stories or if you like

581
00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:04.839
kind of know too much about a potential haunting. Sometimes

582
00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:07.400
I'm like, is that kind of implanted?

583
00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:08.240
Yeah?

584
00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:10.680
But then sometimes it's.

585
00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:13.799
Like, oh, I don't know though, It's like if a

586
00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:16.880
bunch of people have kind of the same story, I

587
00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:17.960
don't know that's true.

588
00:32:18.039 --> 00:32:20.680
We need our creepy people to go experience this and

589
00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:23.279
then write right, because then we'll know for sure that

590
00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:27.599
it happened. Yeah, because we trust you guys, and if

591
00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:31.240
you hadn't heard, we do take emails of stories from anywhere,

592
00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:34.160
it doesn't have to be the p ANDW to PNW

593
00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:36.839
Haunts and Homicides at gmail dot com, and then we

594
00:32:36.920 --> 00:32:41.400
read them in our Creepy People Chronicles episode talk about you,

595
00:32:41.440 --> 00:32:44.359
and do a little tarot reading for you. So no

596
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:47.599
one has really reported anything harmful or really scary coming

597
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:49.839
from Joe. I mean we kind of talked about it.

598
00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:52.680
Nothing like a little creepy like with the lights and

599
00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:57.359
the footprint, but like nothing that feels malicious. Yeah, a

600
00:32:57.400 --> 00:33:03.079
paranormal investigator did catch an EVP that whispered go, but

601
00:33:03.319 --> 00:33:06.680
like to wear I don't know, So I'm like he

602
00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:09.880
said go. I don't know if maybe he was telling

603
00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:12.920
him to leave or like saying go, like start this

604
00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:15.759
thing up, let's dig for some gold, right.

605
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:18.880
I feel like we need just like a teensy bit

606
00:33:18.920 --> 00:33:19.880
of clarification.

607
00:33:20.359 --> 00:33:22.720
Yeah, or maybe he was trying to say gold and

608
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:24.839
he just didn't have the energy to get the last

609
00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:30.559
two letters out. Oh shit, he was a gol dum. Yeah,

610
00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:34.119
we don't know. Most people think he is more of

611
00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:35.440
a protective spirit.

612
00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:38.759
Yeah, that feels fair so far.

613
00:33:39.920 --> 00:33:42.559
That's all for my ghosty stories, but I do have

614
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:46.559
a couple of little fun things for you. So Joe

615
00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:50.480
and the Dredge were the inspiration behind a a.

616
00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:56.160
Y a thriller that young adult A young adult. Yeah.

617
00:33:56.240 --> 00:34:00.440
The Skeleton Creek series, Oh, which is kind of cool

618
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:02.960
because looking at like the trailings left behind, like it

619
00:34:03.079 --> 00:34:06.400
looks like it could be like like rib bones or something.

620
00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:10.280
Ooh it does, and you said it has good bones

621
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:11.960
for a labyrinth. It does.

622
00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:18.039
Yeah, are the Skeleton Creek series by Patrick Carmon, And

623
00:34:18.079 --> 00:34:20.039
he even went out on a tour of the Dredge

624
00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:22.159
before writing the books, which like, I hope.

625
00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:25.199
You would do that, you know, Yeah, you gotta, you gotta.

626
00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:27.440
But that's cool, Like I kind of want to read

627
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:29.079
them even though they're like young adult.

628
00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:29.880
Yeah.

629
00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:33.079
I mean we've always said we're kind of juvenile, so

630
00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:35.119
that's true.

631
00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:37.800
I'll just wedget in between all my smut. It's fine.

632
00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:38.679
There you go.

633
00:34:41.000 --> 00:34:44.760
And then I found one of the articles said that

634
00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:48.960
it was featured on season one, episode one of sci

635
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:50.559
fi series ghost Mine.

636
00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:50.960
Oh.

637
00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:54.400
And then when I looked it up, it was actually

638
00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:58.360
Crescent Mine in Sumter. Oh, but it was about and

639
00:34:58.440 --> 00:35:00.639
I don't think I didn't watch whole thing, but I

640
00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:02.039
don't think they talked about the.

641
00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:04.800
Gold Dredge or anything. Oh so I kind of like.

642
00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:07.440
Fast forward through it and I didn't see pictures or anything,

643
00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:10.320
but I watched like the first five or so minutes

644
00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:14.079
of it. So they were trying to reopen this mine

645
00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:20.559
after a crew left due to ghostly activity. And the

646
00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:22.440
head miner's name is Papa Smurf.

647
00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:29.239
Oh my god, stop it. That is hilarious.

648
00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:31.320
But yeah, I don't know if that's true or if

649
00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:33.639
it's just like for the show that the first crew

650
00:35:33.719 --> 00:35:36.719
left for. But they said that it's a haunted mine, right,

651
00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:40.280
and their crew left, so they had they had paranormal

652
00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:43.920
investigators come on with them with actual crew of real

653
00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:47.679
miners or so that the show makes it seem.

654
00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:48.079
Or so.

655
00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:52.079
I don't know what's real. It's a documentary style, you know,

656
00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:55.880
just whatever. Yeah, So it was really funny though, because

657
00:35:57.440 --> 00:36:00.440
so the miners are kind of super sick. Just they

658
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:03.599
say about certain things like you can't whistle in a

659
00:36:03.719 --> 00:36:06.679
mine or just like stuff like that.

660
00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:12.199
There's a lot of superstitions like on boats. In my mind, yeah,

661
00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:14.320
like all of those kind of like, I.

662
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:19.599
Wonder if there's any dredge specific superstitions. Ooh, we'll have

663
00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:22.440
to go to the reunion and ask them. Maybe it's

664
00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:25.239
Joe Bush. He's the dredge superstition. You have to be

665
00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:29.920
nice to him. But anyway, So one of the superstitions

666
00:36:29.920 --> 00:36:32.639
that miners have is that like women or bad luck

667
00:36:33.079 --> 00:36:33.639
in the mine.

668
00:36:35.079 --> 00:36:36.320
Okay, so what's.

669
00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:41.280
Really interesting is the woman thing. That's also like a

670
00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:43.159
maritime superstition.

671
00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:46.119
Yeah, like no women on boats. Yeah.

672
00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:48.480
I think there are just freaking bunch of men who

673
00:36:48.559 --> 00:36:50.840
just were like, we don't want women in our space.

674
00:36:51.639 --> 00:36:52.079
Yeah.

675
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:56.679
Are we so sure that it's actually like bad luck

676
00:36:56.760 --> 00:36:59.960
or unlucky or is this just a boys club?

677
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:01.400
Yeah?

678
00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:05.800
Yeah, you know what's really interesting and this would apply,

679
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:10.199
I'm sure to some degree, Like for this type of

680
00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:15.840
machine or craft, is it is universally considered bad luck

681
00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:21.800
to rename a boat. Oh, there's like a whole ritual

682
00:37:21.960 --> 00:37:24.480
if you have to rename a boat.

683
00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:25.320
Interesting.

684
00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:27.880
I feel like I had heard that before, but like, yeah,

685
00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:29.440
that's that is interesting.

686
00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:30.880
There there's a whole ritual.

687
00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:37.920
Yeah, man, very interesting. There's also something about bananas.

688
00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:41.239
Because of the spiders. You don't want to know trenchilla

689
00:37:41.280 --> 00:37:41.880
is on your boat.

690
00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:45.400
It does appear that that plays into it.

691
00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:46.960
Yeah, i'd heard that.

692
00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:49.400
It's the random one of those random facts that you hear,

693
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:51.639
I don't know, and it just sticks with you.

694
00:37:52.039 --> 00:37:55.079
But what about the banana boat? What did they do?

695
00:37:56.039 --> 00:37:58.760
They lather up in sunscreen and hope for the best.

696
00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:00.800
You's got to get on the boat.

697
00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:09.599
Okay, So this is really funny because they had paranormal

698
00:38:09.639 --> 00:38:12.400
investigators come on the show and one of them was

699
00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:15.320
a woman. So all these miners started like being like,

700
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:17.880
oh my god, you can't bring this woman into the mind.

701
00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:22.320
And she's a redhead that you can't have a redheaded woman.

702
00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:25.119
They made this big deal about it. Why does the

703
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:26.519
red hair make it worse?

704
00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:34.039
I listen your day walkers, but.

705
00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:39.159
That's all I have about this cool haunted gold wretch,

706
00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:45.320
very spoken gold Ridge. That sounds like it a fancy

707
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:47.000
English person's last name.

708
00:38:47.599 --> 00:38:51.880
Yeah it does, like gold Ridge Preparatory School.

709
00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:56.480
Yeah yeah, something kind of like fancy.

710
00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:01.880
Well, hopefully that story was exciting for you all. Are

711
00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:06.880
we gonna do some taro about it? Yeah? Wow, I

712
00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:08.880
wonder what we're gonna get.

713
00:39:09.159 --> 00:39:14.559
Okay, I'm sending you old timey mining Town Energy, gold

714
00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:15.719
Ridge Energy.

715
00:39:16.599 --> 00:39:20.039
It's kind of interesting. We both sort of went like

716
00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:27.679
old timey, Oh I want real old timey.

717
00:39:27.880 --> 00:39:30.639
But well I'm excited for that.

718
00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:39.079
Yeah, okay, where in our spread here in front of

719
00:39:39.119 --> 00:39:41.000
my keyboard, are you failing?

720
00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:45.199
How about like the by the four by the four?

721
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:48.880
Like down? I know it's kind of up, but yeah,

722
00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:49.880
befourth of July.

723
00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:56.119
Oh okay, So we drew the emperor in reverse.

724
00:39:56.719 --> 00:40:01.039
Oh okay, that's interesting because the emperor you think, is

725
00:40:01.079 --> 00:40:02.440
like probably wearing gold.

726
00:40:03.239 --> 00:40:06.639
You would think it does look like it's like a

727
00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:07.960
mountain lion or something.

728
00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:10.519
Is it like in the desert ish area?

729
00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:12.920
It does look like it. And I was thinking that's

730
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:18.679
very eastern Oregon. Yeah, mountain in the background, it is

731
00:40:18.719 --> 00:40:19.440
a mountain lion.

732
00:40:19.599 --> 00:40:23.599
Okay, okay, you never know, we thought it was a

733
00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:27.719
hawk and it wasn't. Well yeah, okay.

734
00:40:28.039 --> 00:40:32.559
So the little story in the little book, the Emperor

735
00:40:32.679 --> 00:40:36.880
surveyed his domain from atop the peak. He held authority

736
00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:41.480
over this land, and none could challenge him. He didn't

737
00:40:41.519 --> 00:40:46.199
feel gratitude exactly for his unassailable position at the apex

738
00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:49.400
of the food web. That would have required him to

739
00:40:49.480 --> 00:40:52.719
acknowledge that he could have been born as something lesser,

740
00:40:53.239 --> 00:41:00.360
some fearful herbivore, cowering in the shadows and bolting from danger. Oh,

741
00:41:01.159 --> 00:41:06.159
but he did feel responsibility. This was his mountain, his land,

742
00:41:06.559 --> 00:41:10.920
his creatures, and when he took one as tribute, he

743
00:41:11.079 --> 00:41:14.679
did so with the knowledge that he could only occupy

744
00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:19.320
the apex because the land itself supported him.

745
00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:24.440
Ooh, I was thinking of like humans like mining for gold.

746
00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:29.280
Right, that feels yeah, that feels like very symbolic.

747
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:35.079
Yeah, the land supporting their gold habit and they built

748
00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:38.119
special machines to like go after it.

749
00:41:38.599 --> 00:41:43.199
Oh, dude, this is the fourth major arkana.

750
00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:48.440
Oh really, it's number four. That's funny, happy for everyone.

751
00:41:48.840 --> 00:41:54.599
Before I just realized that because here's the thing that

752
00:41:55.320 --> 00:42:00.119
I should probably I am actually embarrassed about that. I

753
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:03.360
simply can't with the Roman numerals.

754
00:42:03.480 --> 00:42:03.880
I don't.

755
00:42:04.159 --> 00:42:06.920
Oh yeah, I'm usually pretty good at reading those, but

756
00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:07.960
I wasn't thinking I'm not.

757
00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:12.119
I actively have just been like I don't, I don't care,

758
00:42:12.639 --> 00:42:16.679
I don't care to learn them, and uh, I don't

759
00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:17.199
see I.

760
00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:20.840
Yeah, it is ivy all right.

761
00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:29.119
Our keywords are leadership, masculine power, mature men, and material success.

762
00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:36.440
Well that fits all those masculine miners. Yeah, mature men

763
00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:40.800
material success. Yeah, it definitely seems like that lines up

764
00:42:41.360 --> 00:42:44.559
as the title suggests. The Emperor is a figure of

765
00:42:44.639 --> 00:42:49.519
supreme authority. He's usually shown as a mature man seated

766
00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:54.719
on a throne, as a warrior bearing a shield and sword,

767
00:42:55.320 --> 00:42:59.360
or outdoors where he wields power in the natural world.

768
00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:01.440
Ooh.

769
00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:04.519
In some decks he wears royal robes and a crown,

770
00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:08.199
in others a suit of armor to signify his position

771
00:43:08.360 --> 00:43:12.039
of strength. Clearly, he's a figure to be reckoned with,

772
00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:20.400
which definitely feels on point with the whole Dridge situation. Yeah,

773
00:43:20.440 --> 00:43:25.039
he's the savvy executive, the brave warrior, the responsible civic

774
00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:29.679
leader who has reached the summit of authority and achieved

775
00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:35.039
worldly power. The emperor is an archetypal father figure, just

776
00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:39.320
as the Empress is a mother figure. If the Emperor

777
00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:43.280
is reversed, you may be in conflict with the established order,

778
00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:47.000
perhaps at your job or with your family, religion, or

779
00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:52.559
ethnic group. This card can represent a person who's overbearing, chauvinistic,

780
00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:58.280
or self righteous, or conversely one who's cowardly, indecisive, or

781
00:43:58.400 --> 00:43:59.559
lacks confidence.

782
00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:01.199
Oh.

783
00:44:01.599 --> 00:44:04.840
Sometimes it shows a loss of power or status and

784
00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:09.039
subsequent feelings of weakness or vulnerability.

785
00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:13.559
I mean, the business did eventually end in debt, so

786
00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:16.000
I don't know, like maybe there was some of that

787
00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:16.480
going on.

788
00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:22.280
Well, it's funny you should mention that in a reading

789
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:25.800
about money. You may lack the acumen to make or

790
00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:27.480
manage money successfully.

791
00:44:28.400 --> 00:44:32.199
God, but they made so much. They made like twelve million,

792
00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:33.599
Like how happens?

793
00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:37.400
I mean, but that's over, like the life of Yeah,

794
00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:42.519
the operation and twelve million dollars if you manage it poorly,

795
00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:46.679
still can be zero dollars at the end of the day.

796
00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:50.719
Just like what was all that tearing up the land

797
00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:53.920
and like making these permanent marks in the land.

798
00:44:53.960 --> 00:44:56.639
If like it didn't even I don't know. Yeah, I

799
00:44:56.840 --> 00:45:00.760
guess it dispersed into the society or whatever.

800
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:05.199
But still yeah, or a lack of self confidence may

801
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:10.559
prevent you from getting ahead financially. Sometimes this card shows

802
00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:13.960
a situation in which you must stand up to adversaries

803
00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:15.320
and protect what's yours.

804
00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:20.239
Ooh, protecting things. That's like what Joe Bush is They

805
00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:24.639
think he's protecting. Yeah, some people say he's protecting the

806
00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:26.800
goal that's still in the valley.

807
00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:29.559
If the reading is about your job. You may feel

808
00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:33.800
pressured to accept responsibilities you don't want or don't feel

809
00:45:33.880 --> 00:45:39.239
capable of handling. Perhaps you've lost a job through downsizing,

810
00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:42.480
or you lack the energy required to reach your goals.

811
00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:48.320
This card can indicate a need for more experience, drive,

812
00:45:48.679 --> 00:45:49.320
or skill.

813
00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:54.159
Maybe he didn't want to be a ghost still working

814
00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:57.800
in the afterlife, but like maybe he just felt pressured

815
00:45:57.880 --> 00:46:01.400
to hang around and save people, and then he didn't

816
00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:04.840
have enough energy to finish his word gold.

817
00:46:05.639 --> 00:46:06.119
I don't know.

818
00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:10.440
If you're trying to please someone else or fit a

819
00:46:10.519 --> 00:46:13.239
role that's been dictated to you, it may be time

820
00:46:13.360 --> 00:46:16.639
to take the reins yourself. In a reading about love,

821
00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:21.920
this card suggests coldness, criticism, or an overly controlling nature.

822
00:46:23.079 --> 00:46:26.840
One person in the relationship is the boss who calls

823
00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:27.639
all the shot.

824
00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:32.039
He'll take your lunch too right.

825
00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:40.119
Sometimes the reverse emperor shows immaturity, lack of commitment, or infertility.

826
00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:43.320
Guys, women are bad book.

827
00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:48.480
Yeah, okay, there's a little extra excerpt. Be aware of

828
00:46:48.639 --> 00:46:53.760
stifling and stagnating rules and regulations. Learn when it is

829
00:46:53.800 --> 00:46:59.199
time to question the obligations and mores of society. And

830
00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:06.320
that is a quote from Barbara Moore's the Gilded Tarot Companion, which.

831
00:47:06.400 --> 00:47:12.599
Oh is gold. Yeah, you nailed it, gilded.

832
00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:16.079
That's interesting because it just makes me think of like

833
00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:20.119
it ended due to like environmental concerns, which are like,

834
00:47:20.719 --> 00:47:24.920
I mean, if you see the satellite imagery, they tore

835
00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:25.599
shit up.

836
00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:28.360
Does feel kind of valid?

837
00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:33.719
Yeah, that's not great for the wildlife and the land.

838
00:47:33.880 --> 00:47:38.360
And yeah, yeah, well I feel like that card was perfect.

839
00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:43.519
The number four. We did it, Yeah, nailed it. It

840
00:47:43.639 --> 00:47:47.320
was gilded. You know, it's a whole thing. Damn we

841
00:47:47.400 --> 00:47:48.159
did it again.

842
00:47:48.840 --> 00:47:53.039
I know. But the background looking like eastern Oregon is

843
00:47:53.559 --> 00:47:55.559
kind of cool to Yeah.

844
00:47:55.360 --> 00:47:56.440
Yeah, I like that.

845
00:47:57.159 --> 00:48:00.440
It literally looks like it's a mountain lion up at

846
00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:03.679
like the top of like kind of a peak, and

847
00:48:04.159 --> 00:48:07.440
presumably down below is like the valley.

848
00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:09.519
The valley, Yeah, the vialley.

849
00:48:10.239 --> 00:48:13.239
Just saying, well, now we have another like super random

850
00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:15.119
place to visit on our list.

851
00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:21.400
Yeah, there is no shortage next time we're over in

852
00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:22.280
eastern Oregon.

853
00:48:23.800 --> 00:48:28.079
Yeah, oh boy, I mean it is.

854
00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:30.280
It is beautiful there.

855
00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:36.719
It is all right, Well should we say goodbye, let's

856
00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:40.599
do it, have a creepy yaes day. We'll see you

857
00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:45.760
next Thursday, unless you like, blow yourself up doing fireworks.

858
00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:46.519
Please don't do that.

859
00:48:47.239 --> 00:48:49.960
Oh god, I don't even suggest that.

860
00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:53.239
I'm trying to save them. I'm trying to warn them

861
00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:54.239
against doing that.

862
00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:59.639
I mean, take this, this episode is truly a cautionary tale.

863
00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:03.519
Yeah, I guess maybe if you're about to plow yourself up,

864
00:49:03.599 --> 00:49:06.239
Joe Bush, might you know, just put the fire out.

865
00:49:06.519 --> 00:49:09.440
But I mean, honestly, he just shouldn't have to intervene

866
00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:13.360
on other people's behalf. Like, let him have an afterlife already,

867
00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:16.280
you know you're let him have an afternoon.

868
00:49:19.760 --> 00:49:22.199
But yes, yes, let him have his after life.

869
00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:27.159
Yeah, I mean, either way, an afternoon and after life whatever.

870
00:49:27.559 --> 00:49:31.039
Just let him relax, for the love of all things.

871
00:49:31.400 --> 00:49:33.760
I'm sure he's a little more relaxed now that it's

872
00:49:33.840 --> 00:49:36.679
not actually running, so he probably doesn't really have to

873
00:49:36.719 --> 00:49:40.679
save people anymore. But I mean, here, there'll be some

874
00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:41.800
jerk offs that visit.

875
00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:43.320
You never know,