Ghost of the Gold Dredge

0:01 A paranormal investigator did catch an EVP that whispered go, but like to where I don't know, So I'm like he said go. I don't know if maybe he was telling him to leave or like saying go, like start this thing up. Let's dig for some gold. Right, I feel like we need just like a teensy bit of clarification. Yeah, or maybe he was trying to say gold and he just didn't have the energy to get the last two letters out. Oh shit, he was a goal duh. Yeah, we don't know. Hi Caitlin, Hi Cassie, Hi creepy people.

0:43 Hello. This is PNW not p pingn W, pn W Hans and Homicides, where we chat about true crime, the paranormal, and all thingspooky in the Pacific Northwest. Or the P and W. If you're nice, nice day. And then we also do a tarot reading at the end of every episode for some deeper insight into our topic that we do. All right, well, are you ready to just get into it into some shit? You know? I am, because it's coming from me. So what could it be?

1:26 I don't know. So we're going to Sumter, Oregon. Have you heard of it? I've heard of it. Oh well, that's kind of surprising. Yeah, I think so. Probably anybody from Sumter is like, really. What, I've only heard of it because we used to go visit, like my grandparents in Union, which is another very small eastern Oregon town. Are they close to each other? They're semi like an hour ish away or so by, like LaGrande and. What is it like, Baker City is over there? I don't know, a bunch of other made up places, a bunch of Easterners.

2:12 Oh yes, it's about three hundred and thirty three miles east of Portland, Oregon. Which I liked that it was three thirty three. Three thirty three. I was holding back. Why don't hold back. I don't know. It's a magical number. Yeah, it's true. I wonder what's at six hundred and sixty six miles? I mean, I guess it depends directionally. That would be interesting, curious. We'll figure it out. Two hundred and sixty six miles to the east of Portland. Yeah, all right, I'm on it. Figure it out. Put the creepy people on it. They can get back to us.

2:54 Oh. Perfect. So Sumter was one of the first gold mining towns in the PNW and there might be some dogs pissing me off in the background. I'll try to not talk while they're being crazy, but if you hear something, apologies, what was I saying? I was one of the first mining towns. In the Yeah, so I was gonna say gold Rush. Yes, gold Rush days. Gold was discovered there in eighteen sixty two, which I don't know like the dates around gold Rush. The eighteen hundreds broadly. I assume it was like the sameish time. Yeah, but by the early nineteen hundreds they pretty much cleared it out, which I think was kind of typical of gold mining. They kind of went in and dug everything they could out and left. Yeah, but there were still gold flakes in the nearby Powder River.

3:48 Ooh. I mean it makes sense though, because what would happen is it's not that it's not so much that they wiped out all of the gold. It's really just that it would get it down to where it wasn't so easily accessible. You weren't just like you know, making a crazy you know, money hand over fist by man and. Man in which I have a funny story at the very end. It's actually hilarious about miners I love it, but something to look. Forward to, excellent. So there wasn't really. A great way for them to mine the gold flakes out of the river. So in nineteen twelve they built a dredge, and then two more in nineteen fifteen and nineteen thirty five. Oh wow, So they say it's basically like a ship on dry land, the dredges, dredges, dredges.

4:45 I feel like I'm saying like it reminds me of the Grudge. Yeah, bull, I can think of when I think. Of the dredge. The dredges were assembled on the Powder River, but they were able to travel through Sumter Valley to older, dried up parts of the river bud too. Oh, they weren't just like floating on the water. That makes sense, I guess. And okay, so these things were like huge. I was picturing when I first heard. I don't even know if i'd heard of a dredge before, Like I think maybe i'd heard of it, but I don't really know what it was, you know, I don't know. Yeah, I was picturing like like in construction of the bucket clothing. Oh, I don't know, like that kind of size. Yeah, what is that called? I should know. My family's fucking like pavers.

5:33 Oh they're gonna be like, why doesn't she know the names of equipment? But it's fine. Uh, like a loader or a back hoe. I don't know, the thing that digs into the ground. It's got the big bucket, yeah, like a loader or a back hoe. Yeah, and it digs up earth. So I was like picturing that kind of size. You know, I don't know why it just but they're huge. I mean, given the time, I think you could be forgiven for thinking it might be something kind of on a smaller scale. Yeah, the dredges had seventy two buckets that. Weighed a ton each.

6:13 Whoa so like kind of like the buckets on those things we were just talking about that they had seventy two of them that weigh a ton. Each, which is a ton. Oh and I was like, it's a literal ton, Like I'm not just saying ye oh wait a ton, Like wait a little much. So the buckets would cut channels into the old river bed that water could then flow through from like the current river or like the water underneath the earth. Yeah, and then it would kind of keep the dredge afloat and keep it moving crazy. Go to the website I sent you in the chat so you can like see it, see the size of it and everything.

6:56 Oh okay, you know what this reminds me of. Chris will be so proud when he hears this. It kind of reminds me of the ride at Disneyland. It's like Mark Twain's faery. Oh it does look like a fairy. Yeah, yeah, most fairies do not have like it. What kind of in these black and white photos looks like almost a chainsaw on their fronts? Say that, Like where the buckets are looks like a literal chainsaw that just is sawing through the. Earth in black and white photos, they really kind of do look like the teeth of a chainsaw, depending on the angle.

7:39 Like they're wild looking. They are truly a little bit terrifying to behold. Like I kind of want to see it in action. There's one photo it's down a little ways, but you could see like a person standing by it, so you got kind of get. Like the like a sense of scale. Yeah, scale, No, it honestly in this photo where there's the two guys kind of like leaning on and sitting on like the old timey truck. Like in front of it. Oh yeah, you see that one. Yeah, Like it looks like it's like almost the scale of like a three story house or something.

8:23 Right, and they're a little closer to the camera so they look at figure exactly. Yeah, it does give you a little bit better of like a sort of sense of the scale, like you were saying. But yeah, did you see the one. It's it's like two up from that one. There is like a little person down on the right hand corner. Oh yeah, you can. Yeah, Okay, I think this is the one you're talking about. That's crazy. It does like that one is. It looks so ominous, you know, it's hard to like find the person in that photo. And it's a little bit. Yeah, I think I really like the one of it's like down below a couple. It's like a modern day photo.

9:04 Clearly they've like restored it. The one the picture that's taken in twenty sixteen, Like that photo is already ten years old. But yeah, that's pretty cool. Yeah, and we'll talk about the restoration. In a little bit. So the dirt that was dug up would go inside the dredge and it would sift out the gold flakes mechanically. The leftovers or tailings got dumped behind the dredge. The dredge could go through two hundred and eighty thousand cubic yards per month. I think I have another little like how much they traveled in a little bit. I'm not sure exactly how much that is.

9:48 That's like, it's just not in terms that we usually think of likes traveled yards. I'm not really sure, but it just doesn't translate in my brain. I don't. You guys can picture it. That's what the that's the information. That's that. The tailings are still there to this day, and the piles are over ten feet tall and you can see them from satellite imagery. So if you go back to that picture. So that's what the pilings look like. Yeah, that's all the places like it dug up and spat out dirt and just left it there. So it kind of looks like a maze.

10:29 Yeah, it looks like a labyrinth. They should just turn it into a labyrinth. Like the bones are already there, let's do this bone. You know, that would be fun, like a haunted Yeah, I think you can hike through there. I think I say it later. The three Gold dredges operated seven days a week, twenty four hours a day for three hundred and sixty three days a year. So like, I wonder what the days they took off Christmas obviously, I. Mean that's what I want to know. Thangiving are those are the burning questions that I have? Right? Or New Year's Day is a New Year's say? Thanksgiving? You guys? What do you think? I don't know, Probably wasn't fourth of July. Oh look I themed it. Ah, there you go. Gosh, I wonder if there's a way to find out. I don't know. I feel like that would take a little too much digging.

11:24 Yeah, I don't know where you would find that. I'm sure you could go ask a historian maybe. Yeah. So it had a three man crew swapping out every twenty four hours. So these poor three men had to work twenty four hours straight. That's a literal nightmare. Yeah, that's like being an er doctor or like working on like one of commercial fishing boats. Oh yeah, I guess it's kind of like that like boat like exhausting the three dredges, only the three dredges. Ooh, that's not like something tidally. Yeah, it honestly sounds so ominous, like I'm I'm just going to keep saying that the.

12:04 Three drudges only traveled a combined eight miles. I think it was a little over eight miles, So like that makes me think it's very slow, Like they couldn't cover eight miles isn't a lot? It would definitely be like a slow moving vehicle. I think from nineteen twelve to nineteen fifty four. Yeah, I mean realistically, like you're not looking for speed, right, because they're performing a task like as they go, it makes sense that it's like they're not looking to travel a great distance. They're looking. Yeah, they're crawling. Excavate, yes, yeah, but that makes more sense to me than the cubic yards per.

12:46 Month does yet. But they dug up ten to twelve million dollars in gold until they shut down in nineteen fifty four. They stop due to environmental concerns and operating costs becoming too high, and even making that much, the company was in debt at the end. Oh interesting, Hey, Cassie, what I haven't done a deep dive on, like fact checking this, but I googled it. The Sumter Valley Gold Dredge operated continuously twenty four hours a day, but routinely shut down operations for two days each year Christmas Day, yeah, and.

13:31 Fourth of July. Is it really fourth of July? That is so funny? Ah, it was meant to be the theme. It's fourth of July week. Listen, you did a thing. I'm glad we like because I didn't really think about asking that question until I was reading it to you. So I'm glad you looked honestly, that's really cool. So I have another more fun facts for you. Excellent. So at the time, gold was thirty five dollars per ounce, okay, and then when I looked it up today, even it's wrong in the article I was reading. So today it says it's over four thousand dollars per ounce. Oh shit, in the article said like seventeen hundred, and it wasn't from that long ago. So I don't know what's going on with gold right now. But apparently if you have someone you should probably sell it.

14:22 Or I don't know, I don't know, like maybe the markets are doing something crazy and actually. You should hold to sell high. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. It's it going to keep going up? Is it can go back down? I don't know what's up with gold. It fluctuates, and I don't understand. Listen as a party who owns only the gold inner jewelry box and very little at that. I'm very interested. I would be just tickled if somebody who listens actually has like a little bit more information or like know, how about, uh, what's going on in the gold market.

15:04 I went on with gold, Yeah. What's going on will gold? I mean, I'm. Sure we could look into it and figure it out. But the reality is that we already looked into the you know, two days that they're shut down operationally, and we we got the answer we wanted there. So I just, you know, the sad reality is we're just not gonna. We're not gonna. That's gonna take more research than that, I think than a quick goog. I do have a feeling about that. All right, let's get back into the drayages. So the third and last dredge was built in nineteen thirty five, called Sumpter number three. They weren't very creative with the names.

15:49 They didn't have like a nice ship name. It's kind of a bummer. But Woman number three, Yeah, and she. Was actually made from parts of the first two dredges that had been disassembled, so they all three weren't running at the same time. This one itself dug up about four million in gold. Damn. It was abandoned to deteriorate until it was added to the National Register of Historic Places in nineteen seventy one. The dredge and surrounding lands were preserved, and Oregon State Parks opened the Sumter Valley Dredge State Heritage Area in nineteen ninety four. So it is still there today and you can go and visit it and tour it.

16:38 It looks cute. I know I want to go. I don't think I want to know. I know I've been to Sumter, but I don't think we've been to the Gold Drudge. I don't know, Mom, did we go. I think you'd remember that with you although I was really young. Yeah, maybe not, because it just might have looked like a I don't know, like a weird dry lake bed may. What is this? Yeah, I don't know, but my mom would know. She'll tell me. She'll comment on the patreon as one of the largest and most successible gold drudges in the US. Visitors can take a guided tour of the dredge. Like I just said, you can hike through the tailings left behind, so you can hike through them, apparently, because that's what it was said. It's from my research. You can also take a gold panning lesson, which is so freaking cute.

17:31 Well, it's funny because you know, this entire time that we've been talking about it, and you were saying like, oh, you know, they started doing the dredging, and I was thinking about it, and I was like, you know, it makes sense that all of these mining towns, once they kind of got what they could from like the more traditional type of mining, it makes sense that a lot of them were like kind of all but abandoned because the alternative, unless there was a dread, ultimately was like panning for gold, and obviously people did that. That's, you know, such an iconic part of the. Whole gold rush. But yeah, it doesn't seem like the most efficient.

18:15 Endeavor. Yeah, but I want to pan for gold. I mean, I'm down. Actually, I think my dad does it in his little creek by his house. Nah huh, yeah, just like for funzies. I don't think he's ever found any Oh, I don't know. He finds a bunch of rocks, though, like a bunch of cool. I was gonna say, there's a lot of there's a lot of other cool stuff that you know, if you're into that geological jazz. So we're talking about this today because I thought it was such a unique place to be haunted. Like who haunts a gold dread? It's so cool, it's very cool.

18:58 I definitely think in any instance where there's like some sort of like major scale like agricultural or industrial, you know scale operations, like there's probably gonna be casualties just based on the. Time and the working conditions. And yes, yeah, I agree with you, but I'll let you get into that. I will. So, yes, this gold dredge has a ghost aboard, and he even has a name, just one, just one. There's just one ghost, okay as far as people know, or they just combine them all and call him this one name that they call him Joe Bush. And I'm not sure if there's any relation to any other famous bushes, famous.

19:52 Bushes like the Burning Bush or. I was thinking, like George, George W Kate and then I was going to sing sing Kate Bush into the gold song be digging up that gold be dredging up that baby. I actually love that. Thank you. I worked really hard on that song. Although there is no record of a Joe Bush anywhere working on or around the town or something, I think people have searched for him that they haven't been able to find anything. The legend is that he was part of the crew who died on board, and it seems like it could be a pretty hazardous job. But there were only two deaths recorded on all three dredges. WHOA really yeah, I mean recorded.

20:51 I don't know. I don't know what goes on unrecorded. We hope nothing but Disneyland also, yeah, drag them off the property, right. They dredge them off the property. One wasn't even a work related incident, so I guess someone just passed away of some other cause. Oh I'm not really sure what it was. But the one that happened that was work related happened on the first dredge, But the same equipment where the accident happened was used in the third dredge, so it's possible it's holding on to some energy. I'm inclined to say so I did. I wasn't gonna say what happened to him, but he got sucked into some gears.

21:33 I mean, you have to imagine that's exactly what happened. Of course, yeah, I didn't want to like I don't know, No. I mean it is, but it's like, you know, I don't know, I totally get what you're saying, because it is like sort of this like heinous thing that happened to the person. But it's like at the same. Time, it's like, well, I mean it's a dredge and you know rough how it kind of operates. I don't know, maybe you imagine what happened, and I don't know, there's only so many possibilities, right, Like, I don't. Know, you guys picture it.

22:14 This man's name was not Joe Bush. But I was kind of thinking, like no one really asked is going to like ask the spirit its name and get an answer, right, not typically unless you're like a psychic, then maybe you'll get the name. But so I figured they just like gave this ghost a name, so it might not there obviously would be record of like a made up name, you know. Yeah. Yeah, Like it's funny because when you said, you know, there's no record of him, I'm like, he's a literal ghost. Yeah, yeah, or. Like what if maybe they just misheard the ghost or when they wrote it down they spelled it wrong. And what if his legal name was like Josephs or Giuseppe or jobin Bouche like Phoebe.

23:05 Buffet like oh yeah yeah, or Jobin jobin Bouchet, Totsma ghosts. I don't know, man, but crew have been telling stories of spooky events on the dredge since it was built in the thirties. In this last third Dredge, I'm not sure about previous dredges. I don't know if there were any stories from that, but they blame Joe Bush for things that went wrong on the dredge, like losing power or missing tools or water randomly turning on. Okay, I know. So I'm like, is this just a oh something went wrong it's the ghost or is the ghost actually doing it?

23:46 There's no way to know. There's no way to know. But they also say that Joe may have caused mechanical failures to save people. Oh like maybe someone was about to get hurt by some equipment, maybe some gears, and then he like shut things down to avoid that. Yeah, so like a benevolent spirit. Yeah, which kind of does make me think like maybe he was the one who passed away in the accident. That's what I'm saying. I'm like that lends credence to the idea that like there was retained energy when they transferred the equipment from one dredge to another. I'm just saying that's interesting. That's my working theory for now.

24:32 I like it. I like the theory. A former crew even like to reminisce about him at the annual Dredge workers union held reunion held every June. I don't know how many of them are. Left, Yeah, I mean I have to imagine not too many. I don't know if they still have it. The dredge is shut down in like what you said, like the fifties or something fifty four. Yeah, so I don't know how old the article was. I was reading that say they still that they have the workers reunion, but hopefully they still do. Hopefully there's still a couple of them. Because there was like a local story about the ghost and they had some old some former workers.

25:13 Quoted in the article, and they just it was cute. They were just talking about the ghosts, being a little sassy about it. I liked it. Historical cuteness. Visitors to the Dredge still report feeling cold spots, hearing strange noises like footsteps grinding gears, which now kind of seems a little ominous. Uh yeah, maybe I will leave that part in. I was just gonna cut it out, but maybe you should. That is so creepy. No, and that like that really ties it together. Otherwise it's kind of like, okay, well it's a dredge like that could seem like just kind of an imagined you know what I mean.

26:00 Yeah, but like with the context. The full context, that makes it so much spookier. Okay, well, sorry for laughing. When I said that the man, the poor man was sucked into the gears, it was very uncomfortable laughter. Yes, so these people hear the visitors today, that's what we're talking about. What they hear. They hear doors slamming, even when things are locked up too. Oh I don't like that. So just some like ghosty ramblings and rumblings around the Dredge, just shenanigans. Joe has also been blamed for stealing lunches, and I'm not sure if this was the workers lunches or like nowadays, people's lunches either way, Joe, don't touch my sandwich.

26:49 I'm super not okay with that. If you mess with my food, we. Are not gonna be friends. Keep away. We need a ghost proof lunch box. People have felt like they're being watched, or felt a hand on their shoulder, or heard a man's laugh, which that could be some like residual too of just like workers chilling and working and laughing and the laughter echoes throughout. Time, all right, I mean I guess, or it could be a straight up ghost. We don't know.

27:31 Could be that certainly could be. That laughing at you because he's took your lunch, or I don't. Know, Yeah, it could be. It could be. I'm like, is it uncomfortable laughter? Maybe, like like I mean, you said it, you were laughing uncomfortably talking about the person that died, which I'm like, listen, anybody who listens, Like, if you don't know by now that a lot of our laughter is just deeply uncomfortable, then I don't know how to help you first of all.

28:12 And yeah, yeah, maybe he's uncomfortable laughing with us. Yeah, could be, could be. In the infamous words of simply read, if you don't know me by now, then you will never never never know me. Ooh, that's deep. I mean, I guess you will never never ever know me. A park ranger said he heard someone breathing behind him in an otherwise empty room. No, oh, the control room is the control room. I don't. Another saw the lights flickering even though the power was off.

28:55 I really don't like situations like that, yeah, because it makes me feel like there is no rhyme or reason we control nothing in this universe, and I simply cannot have that. Yeah, can we just not, like, don't mess with the lights because I Okay, I did something dumb last night. So I'm house sitting out in the woods and just with like three dogs all by myself, and I decided to watch Scream seven because I hadn't seen it yet. And it's I was like, screams, aren't that scary? Right? They're like it's scream It's. Like, I mean, it's like horror movie light right right.

29:38 I was like scared, really, Yeah, And I kept hearing stuff, like I'm sure it was like birds or some shit on the roof, but I kept hearing things. And then so he goes around in like houses and he'll like turn off the lights and people are like why, or he'll turn on the lights like really bright so you can't see ill. I was scared. I love it was great, but I was like mistakes were made. I could have watched this at a different time. Yeah, yeah, this is a really good movie. Though I was like, huh, these deaths are interesting, Like who oh who came up with this? Because I'm entertained and horrified and grossed out, I could barely watch it.

30:20 But I was like, man, this is like it's an interesting this anyway. Huh, good to know. That's my story about lights. But that's why I'm scared, because I'm like, it could be a murderer. So like, ghosts don't mess with the lights, so we can tell the difference and protect ourselves. Yeah, that would be just super helpful. Ghost face. It all connects. So you're probably not gonna like this part either. Okay, great, great? I cannot wait. When the lights were flickering on and off, when that park ranger saw the lights flickering on and off, there was a thunderstorm, and so I'm like, well, was he just being the thunder mabe or making the power go on and off? But he said the breakers were off, so that's interesting. But then later he found a wet footprint inside leading towards the exit. It was raining, I guess, So I don't know if the ghost like was out and the rain and came in, or maybe he's just like constantly soggy because he worked in like a soggy environment.

31:24 I I no, no, no, thank. You, Joe Bush soggy Man. Joe was said to stand on the viewing platform in the engine room. His apparition has been seen in worn overalls, workers boots, and a miner's cap, so that's kind of cool. Like I don't know if people maybe are just seeing that because they were told he was a miner. Or I don't know. I mean, I do think there's something too like if you have like maybe heard stories or if you like kind of know too much about a potential haunting. Sometimes I'm like, is that kind of implanted?

32:08 Yeah? But then sometimes it's. Like, oh, I don't know though, It's like if a bunch of people have kind of the same story, I don't know that's true. We need our creepy people to go experience this and then write right, because then we'll know for sure that it happened. Yeah, because we trust you guys, and if you hadn't heard, we do take emails of stories from anywhere, it doesn't have to be the p ANDW to PNW Haunts and Homicides at gmail dot com, and then we read them in our Creepy People Chronicles episode talk about you, and do a little tarot reading for you. So no one has really reported anything harmful or really scary coming from Joe. I mean we kind of talked about it.

32:49 Nothing like a little creepy like with the lights and the footprint, but like nothing that feels malicious. Yeah, a paranormal investigator did catch an EVP that whispered go, but like to wear I don't know, So I'm like he said go. I don't know if maybe he was telling him to leave or like saying go, like start this thing up, let's dig for some gold, right. I feel like we need just like a teensy bit of clarification. Yeah, or maybe he was trying to say gold and he just didn't have the energy to get the last two letters out. Oh shit, he was a gol dum. Yeah, we don't know. Most people think he is more of a protective spirit.

33:36 Yeah, that feels fair so far. That's all for my ghosty stories, but I do have a couple of little fun things for you. So Joe and the Dredge were the inspiration behind a a. Y a thriller that young adult A young adult. Yeah. The Skeleton Creek series, Oh, which is kind of cool because looking at like the trailings left behind, like it looks like it could be like like rib bones or something. Ooh it does, and you said it has good bones for a labyrinth. It does. Yeah, are the Skeleton Creek series by Patrick Carmon, And he even went out on a tour of the Dredge before writing the books, which like, I hope.

34:21 You would do that, you know, Yeah, you gotta, you gotta. But that's cool, Like I kind of want to read them even though they're like young adult. Yeah. I mean we've always said we're kind of juvenile, so that's true. I'll just wedget in between all my smut. It's fine. There you go. And then I found one of the articles said that it was featured on season one, episode one of sci fi series ghost Mine. Oh. And then when I looked it up, it was actually Crescent Mine in Sumter. Oh, but it was about and I don't think I didn't watch whole thing, but I don't think they talked about the.

35:02 Gold Dredge or anything. Oh so I kind of like. Fast forward through it and I didn't see pictures or anything, but I watched like the first five or so minutes of it. So they were trying to reopen this mine after a crew left due to ghostly activity. And the head miner's name is Papa Smurf. Oh my god, stop it. That is hilarious. But yeah, I don't know if that's true or if it's just like for the show that the first crew left for. But they said that it's a haunted mine, right, and their crew left, so they had they had paranormal investigators come on with them with actual crew of real miners or so that the show makes it seem.

35:47 Or so. I don't know what's real. It's a documentary style, you know, just whatever. Yeah, So it was really funny though, because so the miners are kind of super sick. Just they say about certain things like you can't whistle in a mine or just like stuff like that. There's a lot of superstitions like on boats. In my mind, yeah, like all of those kind of like, I. Wonder if there's any dredge specific superstitions. Ooh, we'll have to go to the reunion and ask them. Maybe it's Joe Bush. He's the dredge superstition. You have to be nice to him. But anyway, So one of the superstitions that miners have is that like women or bad luck in the mine.

36:35 Okay, so what's. Really interesting is the woman thing. That's also like a maritime superstition. Yeah, like no women on boats. Yeah. I think there are just freaking bunch of men who just were like, we don't want women in our space. Yeah. Are we so sure that it's actually like bad luck or unlucky or is this just a boys club? Yeah? Yeah, you know what's really interesting and this would apply, I'm sure to some degree, Like for this type of machine or craft, is it is universally considered bad luck to rename a boat. Oh, there's like a whole ritual if you have to rename a boat.

37:24 Interesting. I feel like I had heard that before, but like, yeah, that's that is interesting. There there's a whole ritual. Yeah, man, very interesting. There's also something about bananas. Because of the spiders. You don't want to know trenchilla is on your boat. It does appear that that plays into it. Yeah, i'd heard that. It's the random one of those random facts that you hear, I don't know, and it just sticks with you. But what about the banana boat? What did they do? They lather up in sunscreen and hope for the best. You's got to get on the boat. Okay, So this is really funny because they had paranormal investigators come on the show and one of them was a woman. So all these miners started like being like, oh my god, you can't bring this woman into the mind.

38:18 And she's a redhead that you can't have a redheaded woman. They made this big deal about it. Why does the red hair make it worse? I listen your day walkers, but. That's all I have about this cool haunted gold wretch, very spoken gold Ridge. That sounds like it a fancy English person's last name. Yeah it does, like gold Ridge Preparatory School. Yeah yeah, something kind of like fancy. Well, hopefully that story was exciting for you all. Are we gonna do some taro about it? Yeah? Wow, I wonder what we're gonna get.

39:09 Okay, I'm sending you old timey mining Town Energy, gold Ridge Energy. It's kind of interesting. We both sort of went like old timey, Oh I want real old timey. But well I'm excited for that. Yeah, okay, where in our spread here in front of my keyboard, are you failing? How about like the by the four by the four? Like down? I know it's kind of up, but yeah, befourth of July.

39:50 Oh okay, So we drew the emperor in reverse. Oh okay, that's interesting because the emperor you think, is like probably wearing gold. You would think it does look like it's like a mountain lion or something. Is it like in the desert ish area? It does look like it. And I was thinking that's very eastern Oregon. Yeah, mountain in the background, it is a mountain lion. Okay, okay, you never know, we thought it was a hawk and it wasn't. Well yeah, okay. So the little story in the little book, the Emperor surveyed his domain from atop the peak. He held authority over this land, and none could challenge him. He didn't feel gratitude exactly for his unassailable position at the apex of the food web. That would have required him to acknowledge that he could have been born as something lesser, some fearful herbivore, cowering in the shadows and bolting from danger. Oh, but he did feel responsibility. This was his mountain, his land, his creatures, and when he took one as tribute, he did so with the knowledge that he could only occupy the apex because the land itself supported him.

41:19 Ooh, I was thinking of like humans like mining for gold. Right, that feels yeah, that feels like very symbolic. Yeah, the land supporting their gold habit and they built special machines to like go after it. Oh, dude, this is the fourth major arkana. Oh really, it's number four. That's funny, happy for everyone. Before I just realized that because here's the thing that I should probably I am actually embarrassed about that. I simply can't with the Roman numerals.

42:03 I don't. Oh yeah, I'm usually pretty good at reading those, but I wasn't thinking I'm not. I actively have just been like I don't, I don't care, I don't care to learn them, and uh, I don't see I. Yeah, it is ivy all right. Our keywords are leadership, masculine power, mature men, and material success. Well that fits all those masculine miners. Yeah, mature men material success. Yeah, it definitely seems like that lines up as the title suggests. The Emperor is a figure of supreme authority. He's usually shown as a mature man seated on a throne, as a warrior bearing a shield and sword, or outdoors where he wields power in the natural world.

43:00 Ooh. In some decks he wears royal robes and a crown, in others a suit of armor to signify his position of strength. Clearly, he's a figure to be reckoned with, which definitely feels on point with the whole Dridge situation. Yeah, he's the savvy executive, the brave warrior, the responsible civic leader who has reached the summit of authority and achieved worldly power. The emperor is an archetypal father figure, just as the Empress is a mother figure. If the Emperor is reversed, you may be in conflict with the established order, perhaps at your job or with your family, religion, or ethnic group. This card can represent a person who's overbearing, chauvinistic, or self righteous, or conversely one who's cowardly, indecisive, or lacks confidence.

44:00 Oh. Sometimes it shows a loss of power or status and subsequent feelings of weakness or vulnerability. I mean, the business did eventually end in debt, so I don't know, like maybe there was some of that going on. Well, it's funny you should mention that in a reading about money. You may lack the acumen to make or manage money successfully. God, but they made so much. They made like twelve million, Like how happens? I mean, but that's over, like the life of Yeah, the operation and twelve million dollars if you manage it poorly, still can be zero dollars at the end of the day.

44:48 Just like what was all that tearing up the land and like making these permanent marks in the land. If like it didn't even I don't know. Yeah, I guess it dispersed into the society or whatever. But still yeah, or a lack of self confidence may prevent you from getting ahead financially. Sometimes this card shows a situation in which you must stand up to adversaries and protect what's yours. Ooh, protecting things. That's like what Joe Bush is They think he's protecting. Yeah, some people say he's protecting the goal that's still in the valley. If the reading is about your job. You may feel pressured to accept responsibilities you don't want or don't feel capable of handling. Perhaps you've lost a job through downsizing, or you lack the energy required to reach your goals.

45:43 This card can indicate a need for more experience, drive, or skill. Maybe he didn't want to be a ghost still working in the afterlife, but like maybe he just felt pressured to hang around and save people, and then he didn't have enough energy to finish his word gold. I don't know. If you're trying to please someone else or fit a role that's been dictated to you, it may be time to take the reins yourself. In a reading about love, this card suggests coldness, criticism, or an overly controlling nature. One person in the relationship is the boss who calls all the shot.

46:29 He'll take your lunch too right. Sometimes the reverse emperor shows immaturity, lack of commitment, or infertility. Guys, women are bad book. Yeah, okay, there's a little extra excerpt. Be aware of stifling and stagnating rules and regulations. Learn when it is time to question the obligations and mores of society. And that is a quote from Barbara Moore's the Gilded Tarot Companion, which. Oh is gold. Yeah, you nailed it, gilded.

47:13 That's interesting because it just makes me think of like it ended due to like environmental concerns, which are like, I mean, if you see the satellite imagery, they tore shit up. Does feel kind of valid? Yeah, that's not great for the wildlife and the land. And yeah, yeah, well I feel like that card was perfect. The number four. We did it, Yeah, nailed it. It was gilded. You know, it's a whole thing. Damn we did it again. I know. But the background looking like eastern Oregon is kind of cool to Yeah.

47:55 Yeah, I like that. It literally looks like it's a mountain lion up at like the top of like kind of a peak, and presumably down below is like the valley. The valley, Yeah, the vialley. Just saying, well, now we have another like super random place to visit on our list. Yeah, there is no shortage next time we're over in eastern Oregon. Yeah, oh boy, I mean it is. It is beautiful there. It is all right, Well should we say goodbye, let's do it, have a creepy yaes day. We'll see you next Thursday, unless you like, blow yourself up doing fireworks.

48:45 Please don't do that. Oh god, I don't even suggest that. I'm trying to save them. I'm trying to warn them against doing that. I mean, take this, this episode is truly a cautionary tale. Yeah, I guess maybe if you're about to plow yourself up, Joe Bush, might you know, just put the fire out. But I mean, honestly, he just shouldn't have to intervene on other people's behalf. Like, let him have an afterlife already, you know you're let him have an afternoon. But yes, yes, let him have his after life. Yeah, I mean, either way, an afternoon and after life whatever.

49:27 Just let him relax, for the love of all things. I'm sure he's a little more relaxed now that it's not actually running, so he probably doesn't really have to save people anymore. But I mean, here, there'll be some jerk offs that visit. You never know,