Presumed Murder at the End of the World

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But events of the not too distant past would prove perilous to the future of the happy little family.

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The Guðmundur and Geirfinnur cases are the stuff of legend, frequently referenced in various forms of Icelandic pop culture, and really in everyday life.

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Both men shared the same patronemic surname, though they weren't related.

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Okay, well listen, in light of that comment. Oh no!

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Don't put that on her. Sorry Kimberly. Sorry. Sorry. Okay. I guess enough shenanigans.

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Let's get into true crap. I changed my mind. I don't want to. Okay.

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I'll tell you a ghost story. Oh, well, I don't want to have written, but I'll make one up.

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In that case, I'll get started.

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Our story hails from a rural countryside characterized by harsh terrain, earthquakes, and even volcanic eruptions.

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My literal worst nightmare, volcanoes.

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During winter time, days get shorter. And by mid December, the locals can only expect to glean roughly

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five hours of daylight due to the country's high latitude. I'm okay with that.

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We literally walked outside in the sun today and attacked our eyes. Yeah. I felt like vampires.

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I mean, I felt like it was the most Oregonian thing we've done recently. Yeah. Yeah. We almost let on fire.

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That puts sunrise at approximately 11 a.m. while the sun sets between the hours of three and four p.m.

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Conversely, during the summer months, the country experiences nearly 23 straight hours of daylight.

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If you had to guess, what would you say is the geographic location of our story today?

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If you get this one right, I'll feed you another fun fact of cultural significance to help you out, which you won't need the tip at that point.

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But what if I get it wrong? Do I knock at the fun fact? Full disclosure, this is actually information that I want to include in relation to the case.

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So I'm actually going to tell you either way.

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Learning more about this mysterious place at the end of the world is not contingent on you correctly guessing the location.

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I'm going to guess it's not Pacific Northwest. I don't know. Um, um, country. Um, in Antarctica somewhere up there.

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Not quite. Oh, damn it. Iceland.

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Ah, I was my next line. Did I give it away? How I thought did you catch on to I definitely didn't catch on anything.

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I pulled that right out of my butt. Wow. Well, your butt is impressive as always. Thank you.

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I thought maybe the line mysterious place at the end of the world would be a giveaway.

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That's why I thought Antarctica, but that's not a country. Well, in this case, I was actually kind of trying to drop a hint about a show that I know both you and I particularly enjoy.

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Was that an Iceland? It was. I thought it was an Antarctica. No. I just assumed because of all the barren snowland.

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Very similar. I watched that show two times and didn't know that. Really? I was just very focused on one aspect of the show.

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I was very curious. That was a really good clue though that you had and I am upset that I didn't pick up on it, but also I did get it right.

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So you did get it right. So I think maybe it weedled its way into your brain. I think so too. That does happen a lot.

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Yeah. Like I don't know how I know this, but my brain remembered it. Yeah. That's pretty cool.

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Now before we continue, here's our fun fact. A patronemic surname originates from the given name of one's father or a patronennial ancestor.

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All over the world, different cultures have different ways of producing patronemic names in a variety of ways. For example, my father's name is Robert and according to some customs, my last name or surname as it's commonly known in many places outside of the United States.

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Would be Caitlyn and last name, Robert's daughter. Oh wow. Interesting. Yeah. I'd hate that. Yeah. It does lead to a lot of confusion. So I felt like laying that out might help us down the road here.

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How many Roberts are there in the world? You're like, who is daughter? Am I correct? Yeah. It gets a little confusing. And I think I'm going to have a really great example right around the corner. Right. Okay.

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When a citizen dies in Iceland, the largest publication of the nation publishes an obituary regardless of their social status, exploits or lack thereof.

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If we didn't drop enough clues for you to parse it out yet, we're talking Icelandic true crime today. Oh, I'm so excited. Not for the crime, but yeah, for visiting Iceland for just a little bit in our minds. Just just for a little just for a school.

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So we'll begin with an overview and some interesting facts about Iceland that may help us in forming context surrounding the criminal case in question.

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The Icelandic phone book is alphabetical by first names. Oh my god. Which is an oddity at least for many Westerners until one considers the fact that every single citizen of the small fierce Viking nation is listed by name, complete with a draft.

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And so we're talking about the same thing with a dress, including the president. Holy shit. It's a quaint aspect of the culture that Icelanders are known to cultivate in modern times as the inhabitants of an unforgiving landscape famous for both dramatic weather and scenery.

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I think that the president's address was in there, but I guess we all know where our president lives. It's not a secret. Yeah, exactly.

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I think the thing that stands out for me just with this particular detail. And I think it'll make a little bit more sense as we get into the story a little bit more is that it kind of says a lot about how safe.

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Most people have felt living in Iceland. Yeah, most people.

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Iceland was a newly and fiercely independent nation by 1944. Some might argue nationalist and insular potato potato potatoes potatoes.

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Until 1995, foreigners could only live in Iceland if they gave up their last name for one that complied with Icelandic grammar. And I'm assuming that just means the patronemic system. Wow.

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And I'm going to sprinkle in some other historical and fun facts as we go.

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Erla was a middle child born on July 19, 1955 in Reykjavik. Her name is very difficult to say even though it's only four letters and I'm probably still not fully nailing it, but it's like this R, but not quite a hard R, but also kind of a T sound, but not quite a full.

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It's like, Erla, almost. Oh, that's you did a pretty good job. I feel like I hope so.

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Her mother, Thora was a beautiful woman, modeling both at home and abroad. She took pride in the family's appearance. She would also serve as the household disciplinarian.

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Oh, Thora, I bet she had that hammer. Right. It sounds like she was pretty good about laying down the hammer. Her father, Boli, had worked as a station manager for an airline.

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Is this like Ole Bolle? The troll guy? I think so. The troll statue. Oh my gosh. I mean, not the same guy, but yeah, but we were saying it like bowl, bowl, bowl.

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The family would temporarily relocate to the States during the height of his career success. When the family eventually returned to Iceland, it gave Etla an appealing era of mystery amongst her peers.

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Oh, I would say so. Yeah, they were like, wow.

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But sadly, as is too often the case, for many of our moments standing in the light, there is a darkness acting as an ever present counterbalance.

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As a young girl, Erla was molested when she spent time at a countryside farm as part of a longstanding Icelandic tradition.

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The summertime survival habit had been ingrained beginning in an agriculturally dominant era before forces of socio economic revolution sent many, swapping to more densely populated cities.

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It led to her withdrawal from the family, coinciding with a period that may have offered some allowance for what likely seemed like kind of fairly typical teenage rebellion at first blush.

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Things would worsen as her father was eventually caught in an embezzlement scheme. His employer did not press charges, which speaks to just how popular, how successful and well liked he was within that company.

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Wow. And he was embezzling from that company and they didn't press charges.

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But he did find himself without gainful employment. Well, at least there's that seems more than fair. Yeah, like, oh, you can stay. Just don't do it again. Right. No, not so much.

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Eventually, the financial strain led to the dissolution of her parents marriage.

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Sævar Ciesielski, born July 6, 1955, was a son of a Polish American father and Icelandic mother. His last name did not follow the patronomic tradition of his mother's homeland and it set him apart from his peers.

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He was a strict household in a low income neighborhood where his often drunk and abusive father reigned supreme.

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Sævar was frequently disagreeable and disobedient both in and out of school.

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As is often the case for kids that are facing that kind of a difficult home dynamic, but I digress.

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Eventually, he was sent to a reform school known as Breiðavik as a teen.

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Your tone doesn't doesn't make me feel very good about this place. No, it's on the level similar to a lot of the Native American and indigenous schools based in the US and Canada or the abusive orphanages in

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Ireland. There are a lot of parallels. Not dissimilar to those briefly very popular institutions that promise to take your kid from the set of the Maury show and reform them.

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Like the tough love boot camp type of things to whip you into shape. Yes, but to break you down and make you complacent.

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Heavy on the tough and the boot camp and not so much so on the love. I think I meant to say compliant.

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Prior to its 1979 closure, countless children suffered all manner of sinister abuse within the walls of the now infamous institution.

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And this is a pretty startling statistic related to Breiðavik.

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Up to 75% of the previous residential attendees would later prove to be entangled within the justice system in some respect.

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That's not very surprising. No. And call it a reform school is wildly inaccurate.

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Yeah. And we have the data to back that up. There wasn't much reforming. No, for good. Maybe reforming for evil.

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Yeah. Erla and Sævar bonded over their shared experience at a party one evening as teams after both unwittingly imbibed beverages.

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Apparently spiked with LSD. Oh snap. Yep.

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Which seems a bit odd for a meet-cute when one considers Iceland's own relationship to the prohibition era of alcohol. They had their own prohibition.

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I'm gonna tell you. Okay. Okay.

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Alcohol was banned in 1915 by public vote. But by 1922, wine was allowed due in no small part to the fact that Spain threatened to no longer purchase salted cod.

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They could no longer export and sell wine to Icelanders seems fair. Yeah. Spirits were legal again in 1935. However, beer over 2.25% ABV remained under prohibition.

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But liquor was fine. Okay. Yep. I know. It's very strange. Wine is way over 2.5% sure is. Okay.

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In the 70s, there was such a demand for beer that bartenders began serving ghost beers.

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Oh ghost beer? Yeah. I want one. Do you want to guess what it is? Ghost beer. Is it just beer without alcohol in it?

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I mean close. It's actually a mixture of non-alcoholic ale and vodka. Oh, okay. That makes sense. I was gonna say earlier like they could just add the liquor to their beer. Yeah. I should have. Yeah.

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You would have been like, oh, you which? I know. Smuggling beer into Iceland was a great money maker, particularly for fishermen who were technically allowed to import small amounts.

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Those looking to serve a larger market would do something akin to our story from whale cove. Yeah. In the States abandoning booze near the beach.

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Again, in what appears to be such a straight-laced society, this just struck me as bizarre.

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And here are a couple more peculiar legal line items. In 1974, Icelanders couldn't have dogs as pets or own lizards.

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And they couldn't watch TV on Thursdays by law. Okay. Why? That is so weird. I don't know. No TV on Thursdays.

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Weird choice, but okay, moving on. Did they cut like all broadcasting so there wouldn't be on anything on TV? Because how they know. I don't know. I don't know.

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Apparently the 70s were wild even in the lone island nation of Iceland. I guess. Really bizarre.

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You have to have ghost beer and no TV on Thursdays. Yeah. I know. Cassie is like, I mean, I could live there. Yeah, I still could live there.

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Erla and Sævar spent the remainder of the night talking and whether it was the result of a truly unique connection or the psychedelics, their teenage love affair was off to the races from there.

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I'm going to go out on a limb and say it was mostly the LSD. I mean, could have been. It's hard to say.

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Sævar was a bad boy, dabbling in the creative indie film industry. And Erla was a girl completely unconcerned with her mother's disapproval.

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She probably liked it. Oh, definitely. Yeah. Oh, that was heavily implied. I mean, same girl. The bad boys. Yeah. Yeah. You will grow out of it. Yeah. Maybe. I mean, most of us do. Right.

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I guess. I don't. It's still undetermined times are tough. You know, around this time, she transitioned to living in her newly single father's household.

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But she soon found herself feeling isolated when her father suffered a stroke and she was left alone at the flat during a lengthy hospital stay as he recovered. Oh, damn.

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Sævar and Erla proved apparelously pernicious pair. Why would you do that to yourself? Because it sounded cool. Do you say pernicious? Yes. What is pernicious?

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I'm going to read you the definition because I was like, oh, I love this word. Yeah. I mean, Cassie's not going to know what this means. Let's put it in here.

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Pernicious is an adjective, meaning having a harmful effect, especially in a gradual or subtle way.

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Oh, damn. That was good. Could not be more accurate. Wow. This is also for learning. You know, we're basically the learning channel. Yeah. I mean, we could be. Do they teach any real learning on there?

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Do they teach any real learning on the learning channel? Sibar and Eitla proved apparelously pernicious pair quickly exacting a plan cooked up by Erla herself to fraudulently collect a sizable sum of Icelandic Króna.

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Was it her father that did the exhaustion or his? It was her father that embezzled.

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Oh, right. E words, you know, so she learned from her father basically. I mean, she certainly may have taken away the message that financial crimes are not that big of a deal.

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In 1974, they fled to Copenhagen. I think normally we say Copenhagen, but I think that's how they say it. Probably.

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It's their city. So, you know, as things heated up around their crime, because they actually did that whole stealing money thing more than once. Oh, damn.

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They were likely altogether unaware of suspicions that authorities held against them in relation to other criminal cases that they suspected were linked, though they hadn't quite worked out how exactly.

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I think in Copenhagen, Copenhagen, Copenhagen, I like when you extend the A's. Hagen, Hagen. Yeah. Erla discovered that she was pregnant with the young couple's child.

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They were about to become first time parents. Oh boy. Oh boy.

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Shortly before the birth of their daughter, Julia, in September 1975, the couple returned to Reykjavik. It was only a short time after the birth of their daughter that Sævar and Erla severed their romantic relationship, though they agreed to continue living together. Oh, that's never a good idea. Well, they wanted to co-parent. Yeah.

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It seemed like they were trying to go about it in a mature way. I don't know that that breakup would have been permanent if things had gone a different way.

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Oh, despite the recent breakup, Erla was blissful in her new domestic and maternal role. But events of the not too distant past would prove perilous to the future of the happy little family.

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The Guðmundur and Geirfinnur cases are the stuff of legend, frequently referenced in various forms of Icelandic pop culture, and really in everyday life.

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Both men shared the same patronomics or name, though they weren't related. With an understanding of the patronomic name system, this makes a bit more sense.

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And hopefully makes it a little bit easier to mentally sort some of these characters as the story and bolts.

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Yeah, I'm glad you explained that earlier.

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On January 26th of 1974, Guðmundur Einarsson went out for the evening with friends. He was an 18-year-old construction laborer who lived in an area that might have been tricky to traverse on a good day.

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But this was a particularly chilly night. For a country with ice in the name, I feel like that's actually saying something.

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The terrain in his travels was also notably challenging. Probably a task many would have reservations about attempting in a sober state.

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All the same, Guðmundur went off on foot to make his way home that evening. So he was out clubbing and decided to walk home.

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Oh, damn. Nothing like a little bit of liquid courage.

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Yeah, I mean, at least you're not driving. So yeah, that's true.

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Various sources reported the story of two young women that said they had seen him that evening as he was likely making his way home.

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They claimed to have seen Guðmundur and another man described as an aggressive drunk.

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Oh, we hate those.

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Yeah, don't love it. The fuck, man.

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Whether independently or as a pair, they appeared to have been attempting to wave down a car to hitchhike.

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The last reported sighting of Guðmundur was as he nearly fell in front of an oncoming motorist along the side of the road to intoxicated to balance himself amongst the heavy snow.

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Oh, no.

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So not great.

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Yeah, yeah, I can't even imagine trying to walk in the snow like that.

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When he no call, no showed to work. He was reported missing.

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It was several months later that Geirfinnur Einarsson, husband and father of two went missing as well.

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On the day of his disappearance back in November of that same year, a work colleague had driven Geirfinnur to a nearby cafe where he purchased a pack of cigarettes.

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At a cafe?

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Yeah, I guess that used to be a really common thing.

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Oh, interesting.

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And definitely in a lot of European countries.

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Oh, okay.

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That same person had given him a lift to the cafe, then invited him to the local cinema.

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Ooh, for a movie?

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Cigs and a movie.

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Cigs and a movie?

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Geirfinnur declined as he said he had plans for the evening.

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His wife said once he had returned home, she heard him answer the phone a short while later telling the caller, "I've been there already.

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I'll be there."

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Following that short phone call, he left their home to return to the cafe in nearby Keflavik.

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His vehicle would later be described with the key in the ignition.

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Apparently he hadn't intended to be away from the...

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I presume at a certain point it was still running car for more than a moment or two.

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Last seen in a phone booth outside of the cafe, police surprisingly wasted no time in opening a murder investigation.

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Oh, wow.

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That was fast.

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Yes.

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And I was hoping you were going to have that reaction.

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Sometimes it's hard to figure out, like, "Wait, what?

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Why did they do that?"

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I mean, this seems almost suspicious in its own right.

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Sure, it doesn't look great that he essentially abandoned his vehicle with the keys inside, but it still seems like assuming murder could be a bit of a leap.

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Yeah, I feel like they just... they don't do that.

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I mean, I don't know about their country.

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Here they definitely don't.

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Definitely don't.

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And it just seems like an in-nation that is historically considered such a safe place.

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It's odd.

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It's almost like, what do they know?

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Yeah.

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You know.

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Searches were conducted in the Keflavik Harbor and nearby Lava Fields, but it appeared that Geirfinnur had vanished.

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Of course, authorities were very interested in the call that he had received shortly before his disappearance.

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Makes sense.

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I'm interested.

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I know, right?

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Wouldn't we all like to know?

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Did they find like blood or something?

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Not that I'm aware of.

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God, like those searches are so expensive, aren't they?

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Yeah.

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It's a pretty exhaustive search that they launched basically immediately.

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So, like I said, it does make you kind of wonder.

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The case intensified into a nationwide hunt.

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Yet their efforts would not yield any meaningful leads.

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The investigation bore no fruit.

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And months in, they still had no forensic evidence, let alone a body, and no witnesses.

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By the summer of 1975, they had exhausted the list of extremely limited leads they had started with, and the case was quickly going cold.

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Damn.

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On December 12th of 1975, Sævar was arrested on suspicion of embezzlement, as was Erla the next day.

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Catching up to them finally?

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Yeah.

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For context, the pair was arrested at a time when the tiny Icelandic police force was already facing intense scrutiny following the shooting of a taxi driver that had remained unsolved.

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But that dated back to 1968.

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So, it was recent-ish.

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Yeah.

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Violent crimes were, and actually my research indicates today that for the most part they are still rare.

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This accounted for the mounting pressure to solve the peculiar disappearance of Geirfinnur Einarsson.

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The legal system at this time was an inquisitorial system inherited from the Danes.

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It allowed judges to be actively involved in cases, even gathering evidence and participating in interrogations.

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The judges?

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Mm-hmm.

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Oh.

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That doesn't- okay.

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There's a lot of really confusing crossover between different bodies that we see as typically very separate.

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Yeah.

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I guess if it's a smaller population, Nordic legal systems have for the most part shifted to adversarial principles.

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So, that's more akin to what's familiar to many Westerners, like people in the UK and really for American audiences.

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From one moment to the next, the suspects couldn't be completely clear on who exactly they were speaking to and what their motives might be.

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And I think you'll see why as we go on.

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That's gotta be confusing.

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It's very confusing, and it was just one aspect of the disorientation that would color the case.

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Six suspects, along with many others on the periphery of the case, would be swept up in a swift and overzealous justice system.

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Sævar Ciesielski, Kristján Viðar Viðarsson, Tryggvi Rúnar Leifsson, Albert Klahn Skaftason,

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.Guðjón Skarphéðinsson,

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and I'm not even gonna try your last name Guðjón,

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and Erla Bolladóttir.

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I didn't catch those. Can you repeat?

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No. Absolutely not. Just kidding.

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Each of whom would eventually sign confessions to murder, even though they had no clear memory of committing the crimes.

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All of those people?

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Six people.

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Okay. The suspects said they signed the confessions in order to put an end to their solitary confinement.

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Oh no, that's... oh that's the worst.

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Is your handcuff comment making a little more sense now?

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Yeah, I'm so sorry.

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One experiment dating back to the 1950s showed that after just a couple of days in isolated chambers, monkeys had taken to patterns of self-harm.

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The monkeys?

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Oh, oh, not the monkeys.

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They're not the only mammals made vulnerable by such an environment.

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In a matter of days, the human brain can be rewired in a manner that is explained in scientific studies on the subject as "stuper" or "delirium."

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Oh, so a handful of days. Keep that in mind.

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Wow.

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They were also subjected to sleep deprivation and in Sævar’s case, even water torture, which is particularly cruel given his fear of water.

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Oh no.

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Gudjonsson is a former Reykjavik police officer who was in the forest at the time of the disappearances.

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He also administered polygraph tests related to the investigation.

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He is now a renowned memory expert and forensic psychologist.

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His theory of memory distrust syndrome is an essential aspect of his international renown.

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It's a disordered way of thinking in which individuals start distrusting their own memories and become influenced by others.

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For our purposes, this is typically brought on by some pretty harrowing circumstances.

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Like the ones you've been describing, I assume.

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The false confession expert, increasing distrust in the authority and government systems, all lead to a petition which would be signed by 1190 citizens of Iceland for a reappraisal of these six suspects case.

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In October 2012, the effort would commence.

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So I'm kind of glossing over.

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Obviously they were convicted.

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And it's pretty laughable.

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All six of them were convicted?

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Yes. In one form or another, not necessarily all of murder.

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And we can talk a little bit more about their charges. I think, but what I really want to focus on is kind of delving into the memory distrust syndrome.

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And how that happens.

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Prison logs would reveal shocking data about the group's time in custody.

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They were each subjected to hundreds of days in solitary confinement.

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Hundreds.

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Erla was held in solitary confinement for a staggering 242 days.

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But sadly, while her count was not the lowest, it was decidedly on the low end, only beat by Albert, who tallied a reported 87 days.

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Holy shit, dude.

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And only after a couple of days or a handful of days you start seeing effects.

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Two of the other suspects being held were kept under solitary confinement for over 600 days.

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And one of whom, Tryggvi, for 655 days.

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According to the most recent available data is the longest solitary confinement outside of the Guantanamo Bay detention camp.

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That's like two years, almost.

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It was this before after they were convicted. Before? Before.

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So they were being severely punished for something they weren't even convicted of yet. Holy shit.

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The long detention was common in this era, many places the world over, and allowed for periods of custody to be repeatedly extended, which is what happened to a number of them.

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Wow.

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The findings regarding their access to legal counsel were equally egregious.

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There was evidence recorded indicating that they were purposefully kept from their counsel, resulting in 50% or less of their overall interviews.

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Or more accurately, largely unethical interrogations with authorities.

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They didn't have counsel. These were unmonitored by their legal defense.

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It's just so many wrong things. How?

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They were woefully unprepared to deal with this type of a criminal case, because they just did not deal with a lot of violent crime.

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And that's not to excuse any of this. But then there were numerous discrepancies in the case.

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So these are all things that should be coming to light or should be fairly obvious through the course of a trial.

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There's no jury in this type of a system. Of course not.

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Take for example, the night of Geirfinnur's disappearance, the temperature was negative 4 degrees Celsius, as was the following date.

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So that puts the temperature at or around freezing roughly.

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On November 21st, when the group had supposedly buried a body, it was negative 10.

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Oh, okay.

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So the story that was produced through numerous false confessions all goaded by essentially torture.

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There was no way that it was even possibly true because they would have needed a pneumatic drill to penetrate the frozen ground of Rudeholler.

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Wow. Was there snow?

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Oh, yes, snow and ice.

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But they weren't saying they were like burying him in the snow.

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It was like in the ground.

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Presumably a shallow grave, but just to break through that top layer, like I said, they would have needed a pneumatic drill.

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So the fact that they confessed to a burying to have buried a body makes no sense.

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The weather and terrain, the conditions of their environment would not have allowed that.

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Wow.

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Interesting aside here, one of the only imprisoned suspects that did not appear to fall victim to memory distrust syndrome at any point was Sævar.

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Damn.

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I don't know how because he really took the brunt of a lot of the abuse.

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It wasn't until much later as an adult that Sævar was diagnosed with ADHD.

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As an adult, but as a child, his disruptive behavior and inattentive nature in school were viewed as possible indicators for psychopathy.

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Psychopathy?

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Just a little bit extreme.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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For their complicating matters, he had learning difficulties that had been compounded by a childhood surgery.

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Oh.

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Repeated abuses of power by numerous authority figures throughout his life would only strengthen his obstinancy.

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Apply these facts to the events that would unfold when he was falsely accused and imprisoned for murder.

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And suddenly you can see why he so staunchly refused to give in and presented the greatest resistance when pressured to confess.

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When he did appear to cave, it was often in a bid to show law enforcement the error of their ways.

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Wow.

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So he, wow, his mind was really intact.

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I don't know that I can say intact, but there were certain aspects of his faculties that he was able to maintain.

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Yeah.

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Just like more aware of what's going on.

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More self-aware.

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That's for sure.

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Holy shit.

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He would sometimes provide false information that, of course, proved to be false and consequently many involved in the investigation completely convinced of his guilt and that of his compatriots hated him.

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Because they thought he was basically just being a pain in the ass, which he was.

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But for good reason.

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As investigators would find factual information proving aspects of one of the group's confessions inaccurate, implausible or altogether impossible.

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The suspect's in custody would slowly be fed new information or details in an attempt to re-synchronize their confessions in the case.

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Geez. How do you just, how do you do that? Like it's, you know it's wrong while you're doing it. You have to.

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You know that certain aspects of what they're saying, it can't possibly be true. And yet you're just feeding them information to make it true.

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Yeah.

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Sævar caught onto this and decided to test his theory in March 1977, feeding the name of a supposed witness to the murder within a week.

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The first of the group began recounting the same detail about this individual having been present as a witness.

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Oh, which they'd never had mentioned them before. Yes. So after weeks of being in custody, suddenly the group slowly starts to remember, oh yeah, this other guy.

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God, what a mental fuck, dude. I hope they didn't bring the other guy in.

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In completely understandable, but incredibly stark contrast at one point while compiling a list of people, Erla had seen in Keflavik at the time in question.

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She even mentioned JFK.

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John fucking Kennedy. What year was this?

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00:47:52,000 --> 00:48:05,000
Keep in mind that he was a man who had been assassinated roughly a decade prior on the other end of the world in Dallas, Texas, if you recall from history class.

385
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:15,000
I mean, I know there's theories that conspiracies that he didn't actually die, which how? It was very clear.

386
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:24,000
Also, I've never heard the one about how he pops up in Iceland ten years later. It's a new one for sure.

387
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:32,000
But JFK wasn't the only one on the list that she had compiled over time that couldn't possibly have been there.

388
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:41,000
It included people that just were on the other side of Iceland or had an alibi.

389
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:49,000
Was Elvis on the list? I don't know that Elvis actually made the list.

390
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:57,000
Darn. The group was truly unraveling. But for some of them, it would only be clear in the aftermath.

391
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:10,000
Further evidence of the fast and furious derailing of these young people can be evidenced in numerous other instances where more than one in the group implicated that they had pertinent information

392
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:18,000
or new of others involved in the supposed murders. Because remember, we still do not have bodies.

393
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:22,000
Oh, that's right. Yeah. Oh, God.

394
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:28,000
Einar Bollason was basically a beloved basketball champion in Iceland.

395
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:36,000
But more important to the story at hand, he was also Erla's half brother.

396
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:56,000
He would be subjected to solitary confinement along with Magnús Leópoldsson, Valdimar Olsen and Sigurbjörn Eiríksson, after Erla and other suspects in custody implicated them in the crimes they were accused of.

397
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:01,000
Shit, dude. So just a few more people.

398
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:07,000
Like how many people do you need to keep compiling in this crime?

399
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:20,000
So I know this feels a little bit out of order. And it's because it doesn't make sense if you consider how most of us probably think the justice system is supposed to work in current day.

400
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:33,000
I'm telling it this way because you need to understand that the vast majority of all of this really reprehensible abuse that they have suffered has all been prior to conviction.

401
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,000
Yeah, that's crazy.

402
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:46,000
Sævar, Kristján and Tryggvi were convicted for killing Guðmundur. Albert was convicted for helping to hide the body.

403
00:50:46,000 --> 00:51:02,000
Sævar, Kristján as well as Guðjón were later convicted for killing Geirfinnur Einarsson. Erla was convicted of perjury after she implicated her half brother and others in the disappearance.

404
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:15,000
And make a note, this is a crime that she was driven to after essentially being subjected to state sanction torture with no end in sight.

405
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:24,000
She was mother to a brand new baby that she had been capped from.

406
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:28,000
So yeah, I think I would purge her myself too.

407
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:34,000
Yeah, I was going to say like did she actually do those things or did they tell her that she did those things?

408
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:41,000
Technically she did purge herself because she implicated people that were clearly not involved. But they tortured her.

409
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:46,000
Yeah, it's just like the witch trials. Oh, man.

410
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:55,000
After 18 months of investigation in March 2013, a report released by the government revealed and I quote,

411
00:51:55,000 --> 00:52:02,000
"In competence and abuses of the police investigation, cue the duh."

412
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,000
Yeah, the notion.

413
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:25,000
The report cited solitary confinement, the improper usage of medication, in human treatment such as water torture, sleep deprivation, as well as denial of legal counsel, and assumption of guilt as main contributing factors to false confessions.

414
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:29,000
It's it's just so much.

415
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:39,000
They also cited that the lack of forensic evidence, bodies, and motive was also missing from the investigation.

416
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:48,000
Yeah, like why? You might have, you may as well have just run around town, any meany, mindy mo.

417
00:52:48,000 --> 00:53:08,000
Still, it wasn't until February 2017 that the Interior Ministry's Rehearing Committee concluded that the cases of Saevar, Kristjan, Tryggvi, and Gudjon should be rehered by the Supreme Court of Iceland.

418
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:19,000
Even after all the time that it passed since the trying days of their incarceration, the committee did not recommend a retrial for Erla.

419
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,000
Why?

420
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:35,000
There's a lot of speculation as far as how that may be due in part two, I don't know, misogyny, sexism, what the fuck?

421
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:51,000
But that would not be the last of it. And we are now entering territory information that I collected from newspapers that I had to translate from primarily Icelandic.

422
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,000
Like you translated it yourself?

423
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,000
I did not.

424
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,000
Oh, I made the Google machine translate it.

425
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,000
Oh, that's what I meant.

426
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:06,000
Oh, yes, okay, yes, no, you wouldn't learn Icelandic and translate it.

427
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,000
Yeah, it feels like it's good a time as any.

428
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,000
I am now fluent in Icelandic.

429
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:16,000
How do you say suck my dick in Icelandic?

430
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,000
Good question.

431
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,000
Oh, man.

432
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:32,000
In February 2018, the state prosecutor requested that the Supreme Court acquit Saevar, Kristjan, Tryggvi, Gudjon, and Erla.

433
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:43,000
And on September 27, 2018, the Supreme Court acquitted all of the men, but did not reverse Erla's conviction.

434
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,000
That's so fucked. I'm so mad.

435
00:54:46,000 --> 00:55:08,000
German politician Andrej Hunko submitted a request to the federal government to provide compensation to the now acquitted five in May 2019 due to the involvement of the German federal crime office or BKA in the original investigations.

436
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:19,000
We didn't even get to this, but an involved a guy named Karl, Karl, who was referred to as a super cop.

437
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:24,000
And while he was actually a cop, he didn't turn out to be all that super.

438
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,000
A super cop.

439
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:30,000
That's just, you shouldn't put those words together.

440
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:31,000
Sorry.

441
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,000
It's not great.

442
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:46,000
It's an interesting piece of the case, but I had to draw the line somewhere, less this become a two or three part series, which I suppose if there's enough demand, I could be persuaded to expand on this case.

443
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:53,000
But honestly, you've got the meat and potatoes here already for the most part.

444
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,000
I want the vegetables.

445
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,000
Super cop ain't a vegetable.

446
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:02,000
Super cop is not nutritious or delicious.

447
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:18,000
Additionally, it was requested that any surviving officials, as well as the families of those deceased, be asked to return the Icelandic metals granted to them as a result of the now overturned convictions.

448
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:26,000
So people that were involved with the case on the law enforcement side of things.

449
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:27,000
They got metals.

450
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,000
Apparently.

451
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,000
For what?

452
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,000
Couldn't tell you.

453
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,000
Oh my God.

454
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:45,000
The federal government refused this request on the grounds that the implicated party from the BKA had been investigating as a private individual.

455
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:58,000
And we may have to expand on this for the Patreon because there is one particular story from his introduction to Erla in particular.

456
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:07,000
That I think will color your perception of the super cop.

457
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:08,000
Oh no.

458
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,000
I feel like I know what that's about.

459
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:12,000
Mm-hmm.

460
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,000
Probably.

461
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:23,000
This last part is just going to be very nearly verbatim what I read from source material because I already translated it.

462
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:24,000
People come.

463
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,000
Come.

464
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,000
The mouth is so dry.

465
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:46,000
In October 2019, the attorney general of Iceland opened an investigation into the disappearance of Guðmundur and Geirfinnur focusing on witness testimonies made in 2015 and 2016.

466
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:53,000
In January 2020, Prime Minister Katrín Jakobsdóttir.

467
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:56,000
Oh, Jacobs daughter.

468
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,000
Wow.

469
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:08,000
The court revealed that the Icelandic government would provide compensation totaling 815 million Icelandic króna.

470
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:14,000
Approximately 6 million euros to those acquitted in the case or their families.

471
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,000
That's good thing, right?

472
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:17,000
Mm-hmm.

473
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:18,000
Okay.

474
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,000
The good or thing is about to happen.

475
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:38,000
In December 2022, Erla was additionally granted approximately 210,000 euros in damages due to her spending 8 months in solitary confinement with the Icelandic government for fuck's sake.

476
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:43,000
Finally issuing a formal apology to her in 2020.

477
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:44,000
2022.

478
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:48,000
When did this when did this originally happen?

479
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,000
In the 70s.

480
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:51,000
That's what I thought.

481
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:58,000
That's like 1974, 1975 and parts of like 1976.

482
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,000
And just two years ago.

483
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,000
Mm-hmm.

484
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,000
Oh my god.

485
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:14,000
And while that about settles things legally as neatly as one could expect, I thought I might share a bit about where some of these people ended up.

486
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:21,000
Saevar would spend many of his remaining years trying to overturn his conviction.

487
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:30,000
He was unhoused for a period while living in Copenhagen before his death in 2011 at the age of 56.

488
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:34,000
So he never saw their names cleared.

489
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:47,000
No. He battled substance abuse disorder and died thinking that he would always be known as murderer.

490
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:48,000
Wow.

491
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:52,000
So he wasn't in prison still for a murder?

492
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:53,000
Nope.

493
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,000
Because they were eventually released.

494
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:57,000
Okay.

495
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,000
Just things weren't like made right.

496
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:00,000
Okay.

497
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,000
Wow.

498
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:02,000
All that's so sad.

499
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:13,000
Yeah, because the committee overturned their conviction, but they weren't actually being fully cleared.

500
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:14,000
It's very confusing.

501
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:15,000
Okay.

502
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:16,000
Yeah.

503
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:28,000
Erla Bolladottir has remained in Iceland with her daughter and has since taken on teaching the Icelandic language to immigrants.

504
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,000
Oh.

505
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:40,000
Kristjan Vidar Vidarsson would go on to work in a variety of manual labor positions, marry and have two children.

506
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:49,000
Reportedly, he now lives alone in Reykjavik, really speaking about his experience or the details of the case.

507
01:00:49,000 --> 01:01:01,000
 Tryggvi Runar Leifsson made a go of a career as a decorator while raising his three children, one of whom sadly died in 2002.

508
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:10,000
A handful of years later in 2009, Tryggvi also passed away at age 59 from cancer.

509
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:26,000
Both Albert Klahn Skaftason & Gudjon Skarphedinsson, last name, redacted, went on to live seemingly normal lives when compared to some others in the group.

510
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:31,000
Albert would settle into a comfortable, stable family life.

511
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:42,000
His life's work has been working with disadvantaged children. He has never spoken publicly about the case since his release.

512
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:47,000
Gudjon Skarphedinsson moved to Denmark where he would marry and start a family.

513
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:56,000
Before returning to Iceland, he would train as a minister, eventually retiring according to a 2014 article.

514
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:57,000
Wow.

515
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:01,000
How a minister, after all of that.

516
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:16,000
What's really regrettable about this case is a lot of things, but how little the justice system, the media and the public at large focused on the victims.

517
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:33,000
Because what happened to all of the suspects really was reprehensible, but at the end of the day there are people missing people, presumed dead, possibly murdered that are really just lost in the shuffle, a great deal.

518
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:42,000
Taking into account even just the days they served in solitary confinement, essentially being tortured by their own government.

519
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:46,000
Tryggvi, 627.

520
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:50,000
Sævar, also over 600.

521
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:56,000
Kristján, over 500.

522
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:59,000
Erla, over 200.

523
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:03,000
Albert, 87.

524
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:07,000
Guðjón, over 400.

525
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:19,000
Those are all days lost in the investigation, in the infamous disappearances of Guðmundur and Geirfinnur.

526
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:27,000
And those were days like pretty much right after, like the most important days.

527
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:41,000
Yeah, I mean, after when you get up to 600 days, you're really letting the, it gets so much harder to solve the case the more time that passes.

528
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:44,000
Yeah, it's insane.

529
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:52,000
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530
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,000
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531
01:03:55,000 --> 01:04:00,000
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532
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:10,000
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533
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:15,000
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534
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:20,000
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535
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:25,000
After his dad dies, he fucking marries all his dad's wives.

536
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:29,000
Yeah, he like marries all his stepmoms.

537
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:32,000
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538
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:35,000
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539
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,000
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540
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,000
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541
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:42,000
And don't worry, we did get more wine.

542
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:46,000
Well, of course.

543
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:50,000
Okay, so I need you to do a little shuffle.

544
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:52,000
Are you sure?

545
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:53,000
Yeah, sure.

546
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:54,000
You want my energy?

547
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:58,000
Listen, don't let past readings.

548
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,000
Should we?

549
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:05,000
I mean, I'm sure people have noticed we're wearing different clothes in the video.

550
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:12,000
We're doing next day, Tara, and we have meanwhile had Tara readings ourselves.

551
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,000
So that was kind of fun.

552
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:15,000
It was good.

553
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,000
There's no bad readings.

554
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:18,000
That's right.

555
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:22,000
The universe only tells you the truth of what you already know.

556
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:26,000
Yeah, although I will say my reading was exceptionally positive.

557
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,000
So hers was great.

558
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:31,000
It was a tough act to follow.

559
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:32,000
Yeah, yeah.

560
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:35,000
We both got the strength card in our reading, which was interesting.

561
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:36,000
We did.

562
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:40,000
And in the same position and placement.

563
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:41,000
Okay.

564
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:44,000
It's spooky, spooky, spooky.

565
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,000
Can you tell at all I think you can?

566
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,000
I think I just thought it was flash.

567
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,000
Yeah, it's so pretty.

568
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:58,000
So I went with this deck because I felt like the blue, it spoke to me for Iceland.

569
01:05:58,000 --> 01:05:59,000
I don't know.

570
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:00,000
That's what that's.

571
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:01,000
Yeah, I agree.

572
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:02,000
That's what I did.

573
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:05,000
I was secret to tell you guys after this.

574
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:06,000
Okay.

575
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,000
Oh, that's so funny.

576
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:12,000
This is a card that I got last night, but it was upright.

577
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:13,000
Okay.

578
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:17,000
So we have the three of cups in reverse.

579
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:20,000
Oh, that's interesting.

580
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,000
Yeah.

581
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:26,000
My tarot book is actually still in my suitcase.

582
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,000
Oh, it's in the closet.

583
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,000
But this is the territorial deck.

584
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:37,000
So we get to practice a little bit of what we experienced for ourselves last night.

585
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:39,000
Kind of into it.

586
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:40,000
I think.

587
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:41,000
Okay.

588
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:49,000
So in the reverse, our keywords are over indulgence, isolation, gossip and an affair.

589
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:50,000
Okay.

590
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:52,000
Isolation, gossip.

591
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:53,000
Yeah.

592
01:06:53,000 --> 01:07:00,000
And one of the things that we didn't really talk about a ton was there was definitely some,

593
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:08,000
there's some chatter about infidelity in Sivar and Eritle's relationship.

594
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:09,000
Interesting.

595
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:10,000
So that's interesting.

596
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:19,000
And over indulgence, there's a lot that in relation to indulging in certain beverages,

597
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:23,000
alcohol, alcohol, y'all, you're hitting your mic.

598
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:24,000
I am with your cord.

599
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:25,000
Oh, boy.

600
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:26,000
God, I'm sorry.

601
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:27,000
I'm not very.

602
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:28,000
You're right.

603
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:29,000
Interesting.

604
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,000
And this definitely, this tracks for me.

605
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:32,000
Yeah.

606
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:38,000
So there's other indicators that are on these cards that you can kind of, what can I say something

607
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:39,000
before I forget it?

608
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:40,000
Yeah.

609
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:46,500
So the old about the over indulgence weren't they, what's that called, like stealing money and

610
01:07:46,500 --> 01:07:47,500
bezzling?

611
01:07:47,500 --> 01:07:48,500
Yeah.

612
01:07:48,500 --> 01:07:49,500
That's a good point.

613
01:07:49,500 --> 01:07:50,500
It's like greediness.

614
01:07:50,500 --> 01:07:51,500
Yeah.

615
01:07:51,500 --> 01:07:56,000
It's over indulgence in kind of a different way, a different manner.

616
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:57,000
Yeah.

617
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,400
I think I forgot to like say something about that.

618
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:04,600
Like I was all, when you started with that, I was like, oh, these are bad people.

619
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:11,000
Like they, they're going to end up in jail, but they're like, they were not amazing.

620
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:15,400
They make amazing choices, but they didn't deserve holy shit.

621
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:17,500
Like any of that that they got.

622
01:08:17,500 --> 01:08:18,500
No.

623
01:08:18,500 --> 01:08:20,000
The punishment did not fit the crime.

624
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,400
Did they even ever catch them for those crimes?

625
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:23,400
No.

626
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:26,800
I mean, they very clearly were not involved in.

627
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:28,800
Either of those disappearances.

628
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:29,800
Yeah.

629
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:31,400
But they're like a bezzling stuff.

630
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:32,800
Did they ever get in trouble for that?

631
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:34,800
No, they got, I mean, they got them.

632
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:40,000
I don't, that wasn't their focus in terms of like the prosecution, but yeah, they were

633
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:41,000
caught.

634
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:43,200
Like they did do something wrong.

635
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:46,000
Why not get them for what they actually did wrong?

636
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:47,000
Well, we heard.

637
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:48,000
Anyway, okay, sorry.

638
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:50,600
I wanted to get that out because I knew I would just forget.

639
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:52,600
No, that mean, I mean, it makes total sense.

640
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:55,700
I totally agree.

641
01:08:55,700 --> 01:08:59,460
So there's other little indicators for this card.

642
01:08:59,460 --> 01:09:04,820
It's associated with mercury and being that it's the three of cups.

643
01:09:04,820 --> 01:09:11,500
It's also associated with the number three and with 12, which is interesting because we're

644
01:09:11,500 --> 01:09:14,500
talking about essentially a group of six people.

645
01:09:14,500 --> 01:09:19,420
Oh, so I'm like three and 12 that totally, I don't know.

646
01:09:19,420 --> 01:09:22,020
I was going to ask like how many people?

647
01:09:22,020 --> 01:09:23,020
Yeah.

648
01:09:23,020 --> 01:09:29,820
I mean, there were certainly more people because of those six people, they just kept expanding.

649
01:09:29,820 --> 01:09:32,740
Yeah, that's really interesting.

650
01:09:32,740 --> 01:09:36,140
So the card definitely like has a group of people on it.

651
01:09:36,140 --> 01:09:38,260
So like that's the first thing that stood out.

652
01:09:38,260 --> 01:09:39,980
A group of people drinking.

653
01:09:39,980 --> 01:09:40,980
Yeah.

654
01:09:40,980 --> 01:09:46,820
And then when it was reversed, it was reversed, right?

655
01:09:46,820 --> 01:09:47,820
Yeah.

656
01:09:47,820 --> 01:09:51,300
So you just think of like this group of people should be like happy and partying, but

657
01:09:51,300 --> 01:09:53,220
they're like flipped on their head.

658
01:09:53,220 --> 01:09:55,420
They like, yeah, they're in the shit.

659
01:09:55,420 --> 01:10:01,140
I think this was honestly the perfect card for this being that it was reversed because in

660
01:10:01,140 --> 01:10:09,460
our traditional upright interpretation, keywords are friendship, community, support,

661
01:10:09,460 --> 01:10:13,020
happiness and celebration.

662
01:10:13,020 --> 01:10:18,620
And obviously none of those quite fit our case.

663
01:10:18,620 --> 01:10:27,780
But every single point in terms of the reverse interpretation, like you said, it just takes,

664
01:10:27,780 --> 01:10:30,100
it takes this card and it flips it on its head.

665
01:10:30,100 --> 01:10:31,100
Yeah.

666
01:10:31,100 --> 01:10:34,180
I have another very genius thing to say.

667
01:10:34,180 --> 01:10:35,180
Do it.

668
01:10:35,180 --> 01:10:38,300
Mercury rules communication, right?

669
01:10:38,300 --> 01:10:42,100
So the communication in this case was not good.

670
01:10:42,100 --> 01:10:43,580
No.

671
01:10:43,580 --> 01:10:47,660
All kinds of manipulated and tangled and wrong.

672
01:10:47,660 --> 01:10:48,660
Yeah.

673
01:10:48,660 --> 01:10:49,660
That's really interesting.

674
01:10:49,660 --> 01:10:50,660
Wow.

675
01:10:50,660 --> 01:10:51,660
You're welcome.

676
01:10:51,660 --> 01:10:52,660
I'm so.

677
01:10:52,660 --> 01:10:53,660
Thank you.

678
01:10:53,660 --> 01:10:54,660
Yeah.

679
01:10:54,660 --> 01:11:00,580
It's also associated with the water element, which makes sense because again, you know, we're

680
01:11:00,580 --> 01:11:04,660
talking about a card that's heavily associated with liquid water.

681
01:11:04,660 --> 01:11:05,660
Ice.

682
01:11:05,660 --> 01:11:06,660
Blue.

683
01:11:06,660 --> 01:11:14,500
But it's also associated with a particular astrological science.

684
01:11:14,500 --> 01:11:19,100
So it's called Pisces Scorpio and Cancer.

685
01:11:19,100 --> 01:11:20,100
Water science.

686
01:11:20,100 --> 01:11:21,100
Yeah.

687
01:11:21,100 --> 01:11:22,780
So I'm curious.

688
01:11:22,780 --> 01:11:29,820
I'm going to go and see if that matches any of their their science.

689
01:11:29,820 --> 01:11:30,820
Interesting.

690
01:11:30,820 --> 01:11:31,820
I want to.

691
01:11:31,820 --> 01:11:32,820
I wonder.

692
01:11:32,820 --> 01:11:35,780
I'm going to look into that.

693
01:11:35,780 --> 01:11:36,780
I'm curious.

694
01:11:36,780 --> 01:11:43,620
But when reversed, the three of cups can indicate indulgence in food or drink too much

695
01:11:43,620 --> 01:11:44,620
partying.

696
01:11:44,620 --> 01:11:45,620
Hmm.

697
01:11:45,620 --> 01:11:51,460
Perhaps you feel weary from too much interaction with other people and need some downtime or you've

698
01:11:51,460 --> 01:11:54,420
become disenchanted with your friends.

699
01:11:54,420 --> 01:11:59,420
Oh, like maybe they wrote you into a murder case.

700
01:11:59,420 --> 01:12:00,420
Gosh.

701
01:12:00,420 --> 01:12:02,420
They didn't need that much downtime though.

702
01:12:02,420 --> 01:12:03,420
No.

703
01:12:03,420 --> 01:12:08,860
In some cases, it shows a longing for friendship or sense of community.

704
01:12:08,860 --> 01:12:17,620
And Iver is like I said Iver, but it's like Sivar.

705
01:12:17,620 --> 01:12:24,700
He always felt like an outsider in his own country because he was only half Icelandic.

706
01:12:24,700 --> 01:12:25,900
Oh, that's right.

707
01:12:25,900 --> 01:12:29,540
And his name didn't follow the patronomic system.

708
01:12:29,540 --> 01:12:30,540
Yeah.

709
01:12:30,540 --> 01:12:35,740
In a reading about money, rewards from a group effort may be delayed or not as great as

710
01:12:35,740 --> 01:12:37,340
you'd hoped.

711
01:12:37,340 --> 01:12:38,340
Yeah.

712
01:12:38,340 --> 01:12:46,940
I'd say this card can also warn of overextending yourself financially or counting your chickens

713
01:12:46,940 --> 01:12:48,700
before they're hatched.

714
01:12:48,700 --> 01:12:49,700
Hmm.

715
01:12:49,700 --> 01:12:51,700
Fair warning.

716
01:12:51,700 --> 01:12:57,220
If the reading is about your job, the reversed three suggests your success comes in small

717
01:12:57,220 --> 01:13:02,220
ways rather than grand ones or a victory may seem hollow.

718
01:13:02,220 --> 01:13:07,420
Well, I would say they're a victory in the end of this case.

719
01:13:07,420 --> 01:13:09,980
In some respects, it does feel a little hollow.

720
01:13:09,980 --> 01:13:12,580
Yeah, it really did.

721
01:13:12,580 --> 01:13:14,580
It sucked.

722
01:13:14,580 --> 01:13:19,460
Perhaps you don't feel as happy with your job or the results of a project as you'd expected

723
01:13:19,460 --> 01:13:21,260
to be.

724
01:13:21,260 --> 01:13:25,020
Especially if you never saw the true end of it.

725
01:13:25,020 --> 01:13:27,060
Yep.

726
01:13:27,060 --> 01:13:34,780
In a reading about love, the three reversed shows you may feel left out, discouraged or lonely.

727
01:13:34,780 --> 01:13:40,100
Perhaps you've grown and your lover or loved ones haven't kept up.

728
01:13:40,100 --> 01:13:46,660
In some cases, this card can mean a primary partnership takes up all your time and you don't

729
01:13:46,660 --> 01:13:49,500
get to see your friends as much as you'd like.

730
01:13:49,500 --> 01:13:52,500
A partnership like an interrogation?

731
01:13:52,500 --> 01:13:55,500
Yeah, I wouldn't consider that a partnership.

732
01:13:55,500 --> 01:13:56,500
No.

733
01:13:56,500 --> 01:14:00,820
Only person that we get to see is like whoever was interrogating them.

734
01:14:00,820 --> 01:14:05,020
Yeah, that's so sad.

735
01:14:05,020 --> 01:14:08,300
That's so sad.

736
01:14:08,300 --> 01:14:12,500
Three of cups, if you'd asked me, I would have said no way.

737
01:14:12,500 --> 01:14:13,500
In the reversed.

738
01:14:13,500 --> 01:14:14,500
Yeah.

739
01:14:14,500 --> 01:14:15,500
You ready?

740
01:14:15,500 --> 01:14:16,500
Yeah.

741
01:14:16,500 --> 01:14:17,500
All right.

742
01:14:17,500 --> 01:14:20,500
Have a creepy ass day.

743
01:14:20,500 --> 01:14:23,500
See you next Tuesday.

744
01:14:23,500 --> 01:14:33,500
Don't get too chilly.

745
01:14:33,500 --> 01:14:40,500
And we do a tarot reading at the end of every episode.

746
01:14:40,500 --> 01:14:41,500
How long have you been with me?

747
01:14:41,500 --> 01:14:43,500
Why you spending so much time with me?

748
01:14:43,500 --> 01:14:45,500
Did you think that one was funny?

749
01:14:45,500 --> 01:14:48,500
I was like, oh my god, the office clip.

750
01:14:48,500 --> 01:14:49,500
That was funny.

751
01:14:49,500 --> 01:14:50,500
Okay, good.

752
01:14:50,500 --> 01:14:51,500
I felt bad.

753
01:14:51,500 --> 01:14:53,500
I was like, I don't know what you're doing.

754
01:14:53,500 --> 01:14:54,500
Oh, dude, make fun of me.

755
01:14:54,500 --> 01:14:55,500
I make fun of you all the time.

756
01:14:55,500 --> 01:14:57,500
I know we do.

757
01:14:57,500 --> 01:14:58,500
I like that.

758
01:14:58,500 --> 01:14:59,500
It's always a good nature.

759
01:14:59,500 --> 01:15:00,500
Yeah.

760
01:15:00,500 --> 01:15:01,500
I feel like that's the thing.

761
01:15:01,500 --> 01:15:04,500
But we also complement each other and bring each other up too.

762
01:15:04,500 --> 01:15:05,500
Yeah.

763
01:15:05,500 --> 01:15:06,500
Yeah.

764
01:15:06,500 --> 01:15:08,500
Like, you know, we keep it in check.

765
01:15:08,500 --> 01:15:09,500
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