April 29, 2025

Portland's Shanghai Tunnels

Portland's Shanghai Tunnels

Booze, Brothels, and the Dark Side of Portland’s Past (Feat. Rainy Day Rabbit Holes)

What happens when you toss two hilarious Pacific Northwest history podcasts into Portland’s creepiest tunnels with beer, ghosts, and a whole lot of sass? This. You...

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Booze, Brothels, and the Dark Side of Portland’s Past (Feat. Rainy Day Rabbit Holes)

What happens when you toss two hilarious Pacific Northwest history podcasts into Portland’s creepiest tunnels with beer, ghosts, and a whole lot of sass? This. You get this glorious chaos.

In this unhinged crossover episode, Shea and Jody from Rainy Day Rabbit Holes team up with Caitlyn and Cassie from PNW Haunts & Homicides for a deep, dark dive beneath the streets of Portland, Oregon. From damp brick passageways to flannel-wearing apparitions, the crew recounts their visit to the Shanghai Tunnels Tour at Old Town Pizza & Brewing, while also dissecting the problematic roots of the term “shanghaied,” historic embellishments, and whether ghost pee is a thing. Expect history, hilarity, hauntings—and maybe some drunken shenanigans.

👻 Learn more or book your own tunnel tour: Shanghai Tunnels Tour at Old Town Pizza & Brewing

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It's Portland, late eighteen hundreds. The streets are muddy, the

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rain is relentless, and the men are surprisingly flammable from

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all the whiskey, sailors, laggers, drifters. They flood the bars

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of old Town looking for a drink company and bad decisions,

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and that's where the story takes a dark turn.

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Are not.

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Nailed it because I'm trying to set the mood serious?

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Nailed it?

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That's what we just helped you do.

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Yeah, you're welcome.

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Hi Caitlin, Hi Cassie. Oh Hi creepy people. Hello, if

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you're new to a creepy corner of the world. This

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is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where Me and Kitlin usually

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chat about true crime, the paranormal and all things spooky

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in the Pacific Northwest.

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It's the P and W.

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If you're nicety, and you are and we have confirmed

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and that you indeed are.

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We also have nasty friends else we do Shay and

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Jody from Rainy Day Rabbit Holes.

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You're nasty, I mean they have holes in the name.

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Enough said, come on. So today's very special episode. We

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uh stayed downtown. We did a little Shanghai Tunnel tour

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with Shan Jody from Rainy Day rabbit Holes, as you know,

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I don't know if you remember I just mentioned them.

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So you're going to be listening to that in your

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ear holes very soon, like right now, like right now.

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Ish cut to.

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So you've just emerged from the shadows, the smell of

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damp brick in your nose, probably still brushing imaginary cobwebs

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off your jacket, and you're thinking, did I just walk

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through history or a movie set. Let's set the mood.

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It's Portland, late eighteen hundreds. The streets are muddy, the

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rain is relentless, and the men are surprisingly flammable from

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all the whiskey, sailors, laggers, drifters. They flood the bars

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of old town looking for a drink company and bad decisions.

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And that's where the story takes a dark turn.

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Dun, dun, dun.

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Aren nailed it because I'm trying to set the mood

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serious and nailed it.

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That's what we just helped you do.

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Yeah, you're welcome.

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According to the legend, these men would wander into one

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of the many saloons, brothels, or gambling halls that dotted

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the area. They'd toss back a couple shots, chat up

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the wrong stranger, and suddenly, poof, they're out cold. Next

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thing they know, they're waking up on a ship halfway

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to Shanghai with a wicket hangover and a new career

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as a non voluntary deckhand. I'm sorry, cant oh, no,

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I'm starting. Is that like where you have well, no,

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that's lesbian fingers, I've got ten. Sorry, that's from Sex

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and the City. It's called Shanghaiing, guys, And according to

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popular lore, Portland wasn't just dabbling in it, they were

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thriving on it. This city had a reputation as one

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of the most dangerous ports on the West Coast, where

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a night on the town could turn into a one

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way ticket to indentured seafaring servitude.

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And how you ask.

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Were these poor souls whisked away so efficiently secret underground tunnels?

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Of course, gotta be the tunnels. Hey, greepy people, Wait,

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that's your life? Nicely, that's a nice intro.

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That's how you said it perfectly.

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Are you guys confused yet? Because who's talking? Who's who's?

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Welcome to a very special episode from your two favorite Wait,

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I just head up for your two favorite Pacific.

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That's how many people behind you on the bed right now?

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Oh my god, literally we're doing the same. I have

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to post a picture.

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Wait a minute from your two go right, number of

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fingers favorite Pacific Northwest history podcasts.

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That's right. I'm Shay, and I'm.

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Jody, and I'm Caitlin.

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Oh, I'm Cassie, and we are the hosts of collectively

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the Randy Day Rabbit Holes Podcast and.

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P ANDW Hants and Homicides.

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That's right where history is unhinged, because I think that

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you guys could as well. Right, Oh, we're so on.

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Hin, definitely, yeah, that part for sure.

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That's where we meet up right in the middle.

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And we can confirm because we've spent this afternoon together

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being unhinged.

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Absolutely absolutely, so. You guys are very lucky because we

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have come together on this here weekend in unidentified month,

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on a pod pal's weekend in the beautiful city of Portland,

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Oregon or Stumptown.

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If you're nasty, oh nasty?

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You know?

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Are you know our script?

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I may have listened to your podcast, and also we're nasty.

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Like you said, we spent all day together.

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We know you guys know things about us that none

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of our listeners know at this boy, I mean Sam

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Mean or Mean or Nan or uh yeah the black men. Well,

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request will be coming in the mail very soon. Well,

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I mean, wait, which way is that going?

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Right?

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Both ways? We go both ways?

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Oh hey, now, so we are actually in the home

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of these two fabulous bitches. We are visiting to whom

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we are actually meeting for the first time in I

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R L which could be awkward and I get later

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depending how much we drank.

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Then that is young.

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So what do you think, ladies? Are we as hot

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as you imagined? Sit here in our company?

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So much hotter? Actually?

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Oh thank you a thousand times hotter.

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Oh my god, you're so much younger than I thought

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you sounded lush.

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I mean I saw you guys, and I was like, wait,

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this is who were going to hang out.

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With what they're practically fed us us?

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Oh my god, how can we like podcasts with us?

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Two supermodels? I know, I wore no makeup today. I'm

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very insecure. You are beautiful, both of you. The very

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just sh it.

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Was only a matter of time. I know everybody looks

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at me because that's where they think.

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I know all looked at you. I really felt like

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it came from that my voice.

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But no, not shorts.

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The audience doesn't know. It could have been a ghost,

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a ghost ghost snort. We don't know. Well, we could

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have maybe brought one here from where we've been on I.

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Know, So ladies, I have set the scene. Yes, what

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did we get up to today? Well, I mean, you

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don't know what we got up to this morning, but

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what did we have a foursome got.

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Up to today?

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So yeah, tell us what we got up today and

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what we're going to talk about on this episode.

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Well, what did we do today? We went on a

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Shanghai tunnel tour? What is that? A tour of the

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Shanghai tunnels?

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No?

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No, no, no, no, no, no.

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First up, guys, let's do a little cavea. The term

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Shanghid is actually fairly racist.

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Oh no, it totally is. I think I don't understand

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why we can still call it, still yelling it out

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across Portland.

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That's what we do because it was the Holy eighteen

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hundreds where the Chinese were looked upon as basically animals,

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and anything that was a problem in this country was

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definitely those dirty yellow And I'm only saying, you know,

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that's not my opinion, but you know what I mean. So,

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but shanghaid Is tunnels is what they are called.

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They are known as.

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So we are going to use that word over and

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over and over and again in this episode, and we

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are trying. We are that does not us trying to well,

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is there a.

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Term that should be used instead? The kidnapped.

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Kidney doesn't have the same ring to it the racist kidnapping,

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But like, that's a mouthful.

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It was doing the shanghaiing. It wasn't Chinese people, was it.

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No, And that's the thing. It's it's called shanghaiing because

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they would be sold into indentured servitude onto ships that

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traded with Asia. So it was it necessarily that it

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was Chinese captains that were uh, we'll get into the

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whole history of this, but it wasn't just necessari that

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it was Chinese captains. It could be American captains, but

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they are trading with Asia anyway, we'll get into it.

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Today we went on this Shanghai Tunnel tour experience. It

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starts at the Old Town Pizza and Brewing in the

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Old Merchant Hotel in the Old Town district of downtown Portland.

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Which unfortunately does not have the glamor it once did.

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But the smell when you walk in, I don't know

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what you're talking.

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It's a lot different than the smell outside when you

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walk in. When you walk in, I was like, oh, yes,

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we are eating pizza here. Yeah, unborginally isn't a part

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of Portland that has fallen upon some really hard times,

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but it is directly across the street from Cecy Slaughters,

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which I have danced there and had some great times. Yeah.

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Old Town Pizza and brewing is basically the only way

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to really access the Shanghai tunnels right now.

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Right, I didn't know that, I think so.

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Yeah, there's kind of a sprawling hidden network beneath Old Town.

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There's trap doors hidden under barstools, or at least that's

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the legend, right yea that were led to believe holding

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cells carved into basement walls. Again, the legend that we

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are told. Narrow brickline passageways leading all the way to

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the docks. Some say you could walk for blocks beneath

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the city, never touching sunlight, guided only by the echo

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of your own terrified breathing.

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Oh now it's not sounding terrified so much. It's excited.

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I don't know.

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There's a moment there were casting locked herself into the

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room with the little handcuffs on the wall, and we

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don't know what she was doing in there.

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She did shut herself, don't. I had to test it

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out make sure it was sturdy. So there, I can't

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be here. But what are they doing in there? I

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like to be in dark holes by myself? Now, that's

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also what he said.

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But we are jumping ahead again because oh my, we

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haven't gotten there to the dark hole.

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Yeah, this is certain to sound sexual. Why do I keep.

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Probably really hard to look at any.

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I can look at her, or I've got a great.

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Vision, a lot of heat, the sparks, whatever, just switch

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switch back and forth between us.

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Jealous a little bit. I thought that we had a

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we had a thing.

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And then I'm not trying to get in the way

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of anything.

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We need to just turn these microphones off and see

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what else. Oh my god, our new tag.

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I'm history unhinged. I think it's like just us unhinged.

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Oh we can talk about anything.

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It's just unhinged for so stupid, because that's what's happening.

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I thought that was implied.

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Oh my, God, your usband's gonna listen to this episode.

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Your's gonna listen to this episode? My husband will not.

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You guys get p having husbands. I'm just saying that, right,

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you're like that your mom listens to your.

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My mom does? She is. She's like our most dedicated listener.

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I love it. Sorry, gus mom. We are just joking.

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Yes, this is one that probably should be on the

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actually videosca see how much we're just joking, because it

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probably sounds real bad.

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Well, okay, so I'm gonna again try to set the

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scenes of what we were we were experiencing down there.

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There are whispers of ghostly figures still wondering those tunnels,

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long dead victims of the Shanghai trade, or maybe just

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the echoes of a really bad bar crawl. Our tour

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guide shout out to Doug Douglas.

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Oh my god, Dougie.

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He was dougieastic he is. We found out at the

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end he's a he's a playwright, and I feel like he.

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Just shouted it out. I'm a playwright. I know. I

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go hands down, Doug, which is funny because he had

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his hands up the whole time. He's so he did

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so good.

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He said, you can tell he's a storyteller because he

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must at least practice out his plays that he play rights,

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because he's very good at you know, how we delivers

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the message and the story and and then the mood,

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the mood setting the mood, and then just the ambiance

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of the whole place. I loved where we sat.

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In the chairs and there was candles.

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They sat in a chair and just told this story

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and it was the best.

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Yeah. I wasn't expecting that to be able to just

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like go down into the actual like tunnels and then

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it was dark down there. They had like those candles

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going chill in there.

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How many stops do you think we had where we

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sat in rooms and he told us a story.

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I mean it was a really like five or six

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It felt like. Yeah, and I'm a tour guide as well. Yeah,

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have I told anybody?

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You never told me that? Have you ever told you

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guys about pretty gritty tours? I don't think I've heard

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of it? No, not once today? Have I heard that name?

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You said? Gretty, pretty gritty? Can you spell it? Are

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eaten here and tours?

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Okay, So as a fellow tour guide and uh fake historian,

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I play a historian on the radio.

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You do literally, so, uh, you know it.

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Really, he did a great job in setting the scene

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in leaving you hanging. I mean, he's no Chris Stottinger,

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he is the King, but he did a really good

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job of setting the scene, of making things feel nice

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and creepy, of telling stories in a way that didn't

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feel cheesy. Yeah, you know you actually, And I'm the

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skeptic in the room, right, Like, I know, you're very

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much a believer.

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You are, you're very very, You're very.

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And you're just.

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Kind of sort of yeah. I mean, I'm I'm very

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I want to I want just some more. Caleb doesn't

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want to.

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I'm definitely a very very I'm just like a very reluctant,

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very very I'm.

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An eager so I but also okay, so here's the problem.

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I'm very eager, but then I'm also such a skeptic.

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Yeah, I feel like everyone who's eager they know, okay,

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they know, and they want nothing to do with you fuckers.

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And they're like, what's that chick the one who looks

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like she's trying to get away like that?

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Okay, so you believe, but you don't. You're like I believe,

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but I don't want to see it.

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Yeah yeah, okay, yeah, okay, okay, unlike people that are

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like I believe and I just want nothing else but

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to like absorb everything and the energy.

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Sorry, not right there. I'm like her, obviously I'm real.

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When on our podcast, I'm like always the downer, I'm like, well,

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these people say these ghosts, ghosts, things happen, but like

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these other people say that, like that's all not real.

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So like, I'm real. I like both sides of everything.

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But I want to believe, you know, right, same, but

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I need some good proof and so yeah, when I

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get quote unquote proof, I'm like, nah, that's not good enough.

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Well, we'll get around to.

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Something that our tour guy, Doug showed us in this

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tour that kind of had me. It took me from

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a on a scale of one to ten, one being

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I don't believe in any of it and ten being

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I believe in any of it. And I started out

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at a two point five. What he showed us at

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the end took me to a three point five at least,

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oh a whole point. It creeped me the f out.

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So we'll get there though, right, Yeah, I was into that. Yeah,

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tell us how we started this out. Tell us how

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Doug started us out tonight, or I can I can

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do it if.

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You really can, or if you like I blacked out,

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I know. I was like, that's a great way to

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put it.

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Like, I tried to absorb as little as possible.

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Oh no, I would like I would.

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He would tell a part of a story and then

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all of a sudden, I'd be like, oh shoot, I

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kept thinking about that and he's already moved on to

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something else.

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Miss half of it. Well, we did start out going

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into this gorgeous courtyard that I had no idea. It

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was like in this buildings everywhere. I wanted to spend

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more time there. It was great. Yeah, the ivy there

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was like a water feature which wasn't on, but it

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kind of looked like a well. I'm a middle I

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wanted to know was that a well? Was that a well?

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At some point? Was was Nina's body at the bottom

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of that well?

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We don't know who's night of We don't know yet

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know they found her in the elevator.

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I know I saw the well though, and I oh,

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I know, nice job. Actually was me who said at first,

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at you the only things I can really remember from

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starting was he definitely started telling us like the history

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of the building and stuff. But then he went around

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and like asked everyone on a scale of one to ten,

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like what's your believability level or whatever? So we all

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he made every one answer Yes, I appreciated that. It's

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engagement forced, so we had to all engage. We had to. Yeah.

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I don't like that, I said, two thousand. Yeah, Caitlyn,

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what were we do? I don't like that at all.

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But you were camp when they make you sing songs

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and you know, didicate your life to Jesus. I'm like,

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I'm not about did you.

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Did you appreciate everybody else sharing because you got to

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hear it.

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I only know any of them, so I don't really care.

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I'm gonna be honest. I was kind of like.

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It's like at the corporate retreat when we go around

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and say everybody's name, I'm like already forgotten every single

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one of them.

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I mean same, Yes, they were all quite low, though.

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I was surprised. I feel like everyone was like two,

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but one guy like seven. The one guy was like

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two and his girlfriend was like oh ten. Definitely they

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were like, oh, what's that relationship one? You know what?

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We were wearing our podcast shirts. They could hear this,

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so hey, if you are listening, I don't.

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Know, and we're still wearing thought about my coats the

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entire time, I realized, so they don't know any I

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took my not oh purpose and I had my banie on.

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That is too small to I know, but it's damn anyway.

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So Cassie was a ten thousand, was off the Richter scale.

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It doesn't even like measure.

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Caitlin was a seventh. I think that's what you said.

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I was nine.

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I said nine.

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Yeah, oh, I thought you said seven. You're the only

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Debbie Downer around here. Panic answered, you were seven. Okay,

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it was seven.

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Basically almost like do I say ten? That feels like

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too much? And then I was like nine point five.

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And then I was like, everyone's gonna be like, what

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a fucking weird?

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Like I got an answer, they're staring at me. And

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then I said a two point five and nine, I know.

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I was like, well everybody else did, like whole numbers.

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And then Cassie was like two thousand.

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Well that's why I felt safe to say two point five. Yeah,

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you were this is a safe space. We can all

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say whatever we want. I love judgment, no judgment about

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whatever number is. You love star Trek And so he said,

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that's yeah, the star space.

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Okay, well, oh not if you say stupid stuff.

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Okay.

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Anyway, So so we had this courtyard scene and then

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he tells us about the resident ghost Nina, which is

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just Nina but pronounced differently.

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Yeah, I never heard her. I've never heard it pronounced Nina.

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I always heard it pronounced Nina on everything I've listened

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to and the other I've been pronounced Nina. Were you there, No, sir,

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I don't know.

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Seems weird.

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That's where I'm gonna call you on this, Doug. I'm

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pointing at the mirrors of Douglas. There's a space.

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You know.

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He's here, Douglas, Douglas, Douglas.

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Who does that? This woman is a monster, right?

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You know you love me? Anyway?

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So, yeah, Nina, though, how do we know it's not

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Nina because it's spelled Nina. Anyway, what was the story

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behind Nina slash Nina?

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She died me. Wow, I've heard different. Well, I don't know,

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I don't exactly remember. I guess the very first story

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is I heard on the tours like years and years ago.

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I went on. I'm trying to think, Okay, I guess

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I remember the one today though. She kind of like

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ratted on because it used to be a brothel, right,

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She kind of like ratted out the brothel in hopes

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of being saved and getting out of there, and she

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was ultimately like murdered. I think I'm dead.

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I don't know if that means moiter, yeah.

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Or she reported it to the police, but the police

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were involved in the hole, yeah, the police whole and

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so then because she reported it and then and then

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somebody was also uh investigating corrupt.

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Well, no, it was it was a Christian temperance sort

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of movement that was like, we gotta figure out how

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we can shut down all the brothels, and so they

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wanted to use her as like an informant. I don't

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know why they needed to know the inside workings of

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the brothel.

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There, but it shut down. I gets maybe if they're

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looking for like a legal things because brothels weren't illegal, right.

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I think that it depended on I mean, every town

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had its own regulations about where like the vice could exist.

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So like Seattle it was.

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It was just dependent on the mayyor of the time,

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and then they would have like that line of like, okay,

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well all the gambling dens and brothels could be like

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south of Yesler.

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It wasn't a slur at the time, but whatever, line right,

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And I'm sure.

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I don't know Portland history as well I should. We're

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gonna get into that, but it probably was similar where

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they tried to contain all of the gambling dens and

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saloons and brothels into one district. And maybe Merchant Hotel

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was kind of riding the line, but it didn't sound

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like it.

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I don't. It seems weird to me why you would

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want to shut down a brothel when there he said,

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there was like fifteen men per like one woman. Can

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you imagine shutting down the bro like there's just a

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bunch of horny men running on the streets dangerous.

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These Christian temperance lees just didn't care about that, right.

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They were like, it's all bad, it's all sinful, we

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gotta shut it all down.

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I mean, you remember we talked about that when we

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did the Prohibition live, Like they were like, that's real bad.

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Don't don't drink it. It's gonna make you a really

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bad dude.

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Can't drink and you can't. What the hell is wrong

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with them?

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What's the point of life at that point? I mean

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seriously though, like at that time, your life was hard.

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These guys worked hard, and they're like beating.

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Their wives, you know, I mean mainly like number one,

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number two, and number three. Sometimes they like did some logging.

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But it makes it sound like I'm like a feel

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bad for these guys, like are you taking today?

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Like I just really I them lumber Jackson Sailors needs to.

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Tell me I'm too woke and today they're going to

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be like I'm not woken enough.

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You really can't win, you know.

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Well, here's the other thing that I think about.

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Okay, so they found her her body at the bottom

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of elevator chef, But we were talking to h. Richard,

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who runs the Civil War Seattle history tours, and he

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was telling us he was going to take us on

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this whole tour of downtown Seattle elevator deaths holy because apparently,

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like in the early days of elevators, like people died

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in them all the time because like the doors would

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open and there's no elevator there and people just walk

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into it.

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I was wondering how that even happens. Yeah, I when I.

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Heard that, I was like, well, maybe she just literally

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walked into the elevator shaft.

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Wait wait, how do we say it again? It wasn't

477
00:26:59.680 --> 00:27:03.079
moy at her, It was Moid. She was Moid. Did

478
00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:07.440
it could just be a whoopsie? Yeah, because it does

479
00:27:07.559 --> 00:27:10.319
definitely seem shady, like, how does that happen? How do

480
00:27:10.359 --> 00:27:12.799
you fall down an elevator shaption? The elevator be there

481
00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:15.680
to catch you? But like back then, oh no, not

482
00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:17.839
back then. If it was that common, I mean, who

483
00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:19.960
knows it? Could you were taking your life in your

484
00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:21.119
hands to write an elevator?

485
00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:23.559
Yeah, that's too convenient though, I'm sorry.

486
00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:24.480
Oh weird.

487
00:27:24.839 --> 00:27:27.480
She's used elevators before, presumably.

488
00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:29.200
Right now she lived in that building right with her kid.

489
00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:32.559
But suddenly as soon as she's like kind of turned

490
00:27:32.759 --> 00:27:35.400
as it were, Oh oh now she's forgotten how they

491
00:27:35.480 --> 00:27:36.519
work and how to use them.

492
00:27:36.680 --> 00:27:39.119
Couldn't possibly, Caitlin, I just want to remind you of

493
00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:43.640
one thing. What it was the eighteen hundred. So we're

494
00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:49.079
literally everything will kill you? Well, sure, sure, I mean

495
00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:52.279
it's like Australia. Yeah, and I'm sort of old. Was

496
00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:55.279
forty old? Was forty right? I mean back then.

497
00:27:55.519 --> 00:28:00.480
Unfortunately it was mostly her line of work being in Portland,

498
00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:03.880
ppeb any Man, any of them.

499
00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:07.279
Anyway, what we have been going on about for fifteen

500
00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:11.519
minutes or whatever is Nina Slash Nina the resident ghost.

501
00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:17.559
And apparently when people experience Nina, you hear music. Apparently,

502
00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:21.039
no you or you smell perfume. Oh yeah, that is

503
00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:23.640
one of the big things about her. That's really difficult

504
00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:30.119
because people are highly suggestible. You say, do you have

505
00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:33.440
smell perfume? Immediately I smelled the perfume and I was

506
00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:34.960
going around sniffing each one of you.

507
00:28:35.359 --> 00:28:35.599
Yeah.

508
00:28:35.640 --> 00:28:37.880
No, So at first he said, I'm not gonna he said,

509
00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:40.799
at first, I don't want to be suggesting anything because

510
00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:42.440
that's the way that mine works. I'm not going to

511
00:28:42.519 --> 00:28:44.519
tell you what the smell was, he said, I'm not

512
00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:46.400
going to tell you the smell. So I walked through

513
00:28:46.920 --> 00:28:48.279
this place thinking.

514
00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:55.039
God, did she smell like pea? And then later he

515
00:28:55.119 --> 00:28:58.720
goes it was perfumed. Did anyone smell fume? And I

516
00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:01.960
was like, I guess I read stuff, so I knew

517
00:29:01.960 --> 00:29:04.079
it was perfume. Oh got it? Maybe that was and

518
00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:06.720
it wasn't. So I was like, got that, poor woman, Like.

519
00:29:08.480 --> 00:29:12.000
I know, everything around here smelled like pee right that

520
00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:15.000
last part we were and smelled so strong of b I.

521
00:29:15.039 --> 00:29:16.440
Smelled no pea. I didn't.

522
00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:20.279
It was very musty down there, so yeah, I smelled

523
00:29:20.319 --> 00:29:25.519
the mildew, but then the ground and dirt, so underground

524
00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:28.519
and dirt, so it's it's going to be musty.

525
00:29:28.599 --> 00:29:31.160
Yeah, it's kind of wet. I smelled a musty smell.

526
00:29:31.240 --> 00:29:33.039
But like when you said you kept smelling pea and

527
00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:35.720
I didn't smell it, I kind of thought, like, was

528
00:29:35.799 --> 00:29:38.920
that something paranormal? Then, like, were you smelling like one

529
00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:41.480
of the other figures that they were saying that they

530
00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:42.519
see down there.

531
00:29:43.359 --> 00:29:46.200
Like a paranormal or was I just having a stroke.

532
00:29:46.359 --> 00:29:46.759
I don't know.

533
00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:49.240
I am old to smell popcorn.

534
00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:51.640
I thought it was burnt toast and oranges.

535
00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:55.119
Burnt toast for sure, Yeah, like burt like burnt like

536
00:29:55.599 --> 00:29:57.839
some burnt things firing.

537
00:29:57.839 --> 00:29:58.119
Or p.

538
00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:01.519
He's paranormal.

539
00:30:01.759 --> 00:30:05.240
So our guide took us down into the basement underneath

540
00:30:05.640 --> 00:30:08.599
the Old Town Pizza and Brewing which is where the

541
00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:11.559
which he called so called Shang High Tunnels, and he

542
00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:14.960
made very clear throughout this tour it's the so called

543
00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:18.839
Shang High Tunnels because the legend has kind of taken

544
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:21.319
over the truth. And that is where I come in

545
00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:26.640
because my name is Shay One and my favorite thing,

546
00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:29.640
besides being a know it all, is ruining everything, and

547
00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:30.920
maybe that's go hand in hand.

548
00:30:31.440 --> 00:30:33.319
See, this is why I wanted you to research this

549
00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:35.599
episode because I'm like, I've been dreading it because I

550
00:30:35.759 --> 00:30:37.559
know what I'm gonna say about it and it's not.

551
00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:39.599
No one's gonna like it and they're gonna hate me after.

552
00:30:39.640 --> 00:30:41.839
It's not as exciting as you think it's gonna be.

553
00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:44.799
So I'm like, you, you do the research. I am

554
00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:50.160
happy to let everyone hate you say ruins everything. It's

555
00:30:50.240 --> 00:30:51.119
kind of a joke we have.

556
00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:55.480
Well yeah, I mean, and this is where I do

557
00:30:55.640 --> 00:30:59.880
my thing, and I ruin it because the truth is

558
00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:03.559
not nearly as sexy or spooky as you want it

559
00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:06.839
to be. And while this tour was fucking fantastic, yeah,

560
00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:10.039
and me being a big fat skeptic, I still had

561
00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:12.759
a great time. I still got myself creeped out. And

562
00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:14.960
we'll get to what we saw in the end that

563
00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:19.480
may have started to change my mind to be a

564
00:31:19.640 --> 00:31:23.000
little less of a stick up the butt skeptic too.

565
00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:26.279
Maybe the stick's pulled out of my butt at least.

566
00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:28.039
But it is a stick.

567
00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:35.279
Just just making sure because sometimes you know, like say

568
00:31:35.920 --> 00:31:39.000
like yeah, like you know, maybe like it would be

569
00:31:39.079 --> 00:31:42.960
worth considering using something like silicone more comfortable.

570
00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:54.319
You know, that would be easier soft for sure? There

571
00:31:56.680 --> 00:31:57.480
we can keep going.

572
00:31:58.759 --> 00:31:59.960
Is it a vibrating stick?

573
00:32:01.880 --> 00:32:13.400
God, don't threaten me with a good time, all right,

574
00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:16.160
So let's start with the tunnels. Yes, they are real.

575
00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:20.200
We were there. I was like, inside of them, we're

576
00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:21.000
not hallustinating.

577
00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:23.119
I was like, I'm not really sure what she's looking

578
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:23.559
for here.

579
00:32:24.279 --> 00:32:28.599
But they weren't designed to smuggle bodies. They were basically

580
00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:31.920
a nineteenth century version of a loading dock. So Portland

581
00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:35.160
had a thriving commercial district and businesses needed a way

582
00:32:35.279 --> 00:32:40.160
to move goods from the docks to the locations without

583
00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:43.759
having to fight the muddy, poopy streets.

584
00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:48.000
Like think about this. So it was it was dirt streets, horse.

585
00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:53.519
Drawn ocks, cattle drawn wagons, and you can't ask your

586
00:32:53.960 --> 00:32:57.279
cattle or your horses to poop in a convenient place.

587
00:32:57.359 --> 00:32:59.400
That was not the street and then it rains here.

588
00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:02.519
So what happens is it rains and they walk over

589
00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:06.319
it and becomes a soupy mire of shot and mud.

590
00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:08.880
And then also all the business there's no indoor plumbing.

591
00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:11.000
Everybody around has chamber. Possibly they throw it out.

592
00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:12.039
The window in the stream.

593
00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:16.720
They built these tunnels to be sensible and efficient.

594
00:33:16.759 --> 00:33:19.279
I mean, it's kind of boring, but things would come

595
00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:22.160
in off of the ships, like Doug told us so,

596
00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:25.480
and they would move the goods throughout these tunnels through

597
00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:27.559
the basements to get where they were. And so that's

598
00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:31.359
really why Portland has underground, which is interesting because it's

599
00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:35.720
different than Seattle. So Seattle has an underground because Seattle

600
00:33:35.799 --> 00:33:39.480
was a marsh and they came in, built a sawmill

601
00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:42.319
and started just dumping all the sawmill debris and all

602
00:33:42.400 --> 00:33:45.880
of their trash into the swamp, built it up, built

603
00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:47.599
the city on top of that, made out of wood.

604
00:33:47.960 --> 00:33:53.119
It burnt down and then they were like, well, we'll

605
00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:54.640
just build the city on top of that.

606
00:33:56.039 --> 00:33:58.319
And so that is the reason that Seattle has an underground,

607
00:33:58.319 --> 00:34:01.000
because the underground is the old city with the new

608
00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:05.279
city built on top. It's different, like every city has

609
00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:07.599
a different reason. For their underground, which is very interesting,

610
00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:09.880
like Tacoma has a different underground because they built it

611
00:34:10.280 --> 00:34:13.320
on purpose because it was sloped, and so they built

612
00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:17.679
the underground was intentional and here also it was intentional,

613
00:34:18.199 --> 00:34:20.559
like we need a way to get things around without

614
00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:25.039
having to move him through this quagmire of poop and despair.

615
00:34:25.480 --> 00:34:26.159
So smart.

616
00:34:26.679 --> 00:34:30.559
Yeah, the big leap the tunnels as secret passageways for

617
00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:36.280
kidnap men starts with one Stuart Holbrook. So our tour

618
00:34:36.440 --> 00:34:40.320
guide Doug did not bring up how the Shanghai tunnel

619
00:34:40.760 --> 00:34:45.880
legend started. So Stuart Holbrook was a very colorful character,

620
00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:48.840
and in the nineteen thirties he began spinning tales on

621
00:34:48.920 --> 00:34:52.119
the radio and in print about Portland's dark, seedy underbelly.

622
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:56.280
So he was a storyteller, not a historian, and he

623
00:34:56.360 --> 00:35:00.880
knew his audience. His accounts of trapdoors, kidnapping and shadowy

624
00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:04.519
tunnels were gripping and entirely lacking in sources. But he

625
00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:08.360
put it out as a radio broadcast, and what do

626
00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:11.000
we know about radio broadcasts in the twenties and thirties,

627
00:35:11.000 --> 00:35:11.840
as people took.

628
00:35:11.719 --> 00:35:15.280
It in as fact, Yeah, totally. If it's on the radio,

629
00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:15.800
it's true.

630
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:19.159
So then came Michael P. Jones in the nineteen seventies,

631
00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:22.719
who took Kulbrick's stories and ran with them. He said

632
00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:25.920
he had been exploring the tunnel since nineteen sixty nine

633
00:35:26.320 --> 00:35:29.440
and that he had a map of the network of tunnels.

634
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:32.920
So then, of course he began offering tours, which have

635
00:35:33.079 --> 00:35:36.199
continued since nineteen seventy nine, which is as long as.

636
00:35:36.159 --> 00:35:39.480
I have been alive. Guys, Oh my goodness, so long.

637
00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:45.760
I'm sorry. Did I just like ruin your guys' vision

638
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:48.679
of me as being like this young hot thing. I

639
00:35:48.760 --> 00:35:55.599
meant yes young. No, Yeah, Shay has self esteem issues.

640
00:35:56.280 --> 00:35:58.159
I think it's more of a flex to like the

641
00:35:58.280 --> 00:36:01.159
older you are, to say, okay, I'm this old, and

642
00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:02.119
people would be like what.

643
00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:06.679
Oh no.

644
00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:10.079
Every time we mentioned her grand children, people were like

645
00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:15.559
what the fuck? Grand children? She's like, I got seven

646
00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:19.360
of them, and they're like, no, no, you're lying. No,

647
00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:21.000
I wouldn't believe it.

648
00:36:21.159 --> 00:36:24.000
She's like, that's a really weird thing to lie about.

649
00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:29.480
So, according to historians and researchers like the good folks

650
00:36:29.559 --> 00:36:32.679
over at the Organ Historical Society and the Organ Encyclopedia,

651
00:36:33.199 --> 00:36:37.119
there's very little evidence to support the claim that these

652
00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:40.599
tunnels were ever widely used for shanghaiing. In fact, the

653
00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:43.719
most consistent accounts of shanghaiing in Portland have more to

654
00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:48.599
do with forged PaperWorks, bike drinks and those crimpmen that

655
00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:54.400
were the crimpers. Yeah wait, no, that's why you would

656
00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:57.559
use on your hair in the eighties. Yeah, that's back,

657
00:36:58.519 --> 00:36:58.920
Yeah it is.

658
00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:01.760
It's back. Oh yeah, sounds like a great way to

659
00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:04.159
burn your hair off. We just let the kids do it.

660
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:05.800
It's fine, dull learn yep.

661
00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:10.000
Anyway, so it was it was more of that and Doug,

662
00:37:10.159 --> 00:37:13.639
I really appreciate that. Doug sat us down in the dark.

663
00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:15.840
Oh it was the best.

664
00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:19.639
And honestly, like I was sitting there, we were sitting

665
00:37:19.719 --> 00:37:23.440
around lanterns in the basement, in this creepy dark basement,

666
00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:26.960
musty with these lanterns and they're all flickering. And he

667
00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:30.280
sets us down and he's like, okay, look, so I

668
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:33.559
call it the shame, the so called Shanghai tunnels for

669
00:37:33.679 --> 00:37:36.039
a reason. And then he explains this, and he explains

670
00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:38.639
about the crumpers, and I'm just like sitting there, wide

671
00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:42.880
eye and nodding and like my heart's doing the like cartoon,

672
00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:44.239
like I love it.

673
00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:51.159
Yeah, because like that's honestly so scary, like that did

674
00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:53.880
pretty much happen, just not like the way that we

675
00:37:54.039 --> 00:37:56.480
think of it, right tunnels, but it did actually happen.

676
00:37:56.559 --> 00:37:58.159
Are you going to go into crumping and like what

677
00:37:58.280 --> 00:38:00.719
it is? No, it's actually to me it sounds more

678
00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:07.400
like the timeshare salesman kind of a little bit where

679
00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:07.800
they're like.

680
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:12.119
A timeshare on this year, man, do you want.

681
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.440
A dinner and a free vacation, just show up for

682
00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:18.239
this three hour seminar and then also.

683
00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:22.199
Okay, well listen, people should already know better about a

684
00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:23.079
three hour tour.

685
00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:28.199
So first off, the trap doors in the Shangha tunnel

686
00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:29.840
tours that we saw, do you want me to ruin it?

687
00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:30.719
Can ruin it?

688
00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:33.559
Because I looked at the hinges and then I looked

689
00:38:33.679 --> 00:38:36.000
behind them. Those are just put there for show, I

690
00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:39.840
kind of thought, So I think he said that, Oh,

691
00:38:41.480 --> 00:38:44.639
I don't know. We kept talking also like it was

692
00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:47.679
a lot to absorb and it was a lot so interesting,

693
00:38:47.840 --> 00:38:49.679
so you wanted to sit on it for a minute.

694
00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:51.800
But then he kept going. I was thinking maybe they

695
00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:54.559
redid them because they fell out, But honestly, like that

696
00:38:54.679 --> 00:38:57.840
could just be easy access to get like the stock.

697
00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:01.400
There's nothing above if you look above those trap doors,

698
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:02.880
it is just the floor choice above.

699
00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:04.920
Oh okay, you don't think like maybe in the past

700
00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:07.639
there was something above or not right there? Okay.

701
00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:10.920
Also down there, he showed a couple of rooms that

702
00:39:11.039 --> 00:39:13.920
were quote unquote holding cells right right, so would feel

703
00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:15.920
people and put them in there, and one even had

704
00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:21.039
a bunk bed and with some sexy restraints. But of

705
00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:24.159
course she found it's dark in there. And these were

706
00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:27.519
dark color Shane with like a leather sat for your

707
00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:29.039
wrist straps, like she's.

708
00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:32.320
Like, look at this. I was like, hey, oh hello,

709
00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:34.719
that I don't know it for me. Do you think

710
00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:36.199
those were more modern too?

711
00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:36.559
Well?

712
00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:41.679
The the leather on they seemed pretty old, but they

713
00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:43.960
did you know, you can age leather really easily or

714
00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:48.760
ventured stores maybe, but right, I mean I think those

715
00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:50.559
were more likely just storage rooms.

716
00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:54.719
Yeah, I think so too. And the the story of.

717
00:39:56.400 --> 00:39:59.239
Putting people through trap doors in the bar and then

718
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:01.880
putting them in a whole cell and taking their shoes away,

719
00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:04.159
and then putting glass in the tunnels. These are the

720
00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:08.559
stories that there is no proof that that happened. That

721
00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:09.519
is hippocryphal.

722
00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:10.119
It is not.

723
00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:13.960
There's nothing behind it. This is just the legend of story.

724
00:40:14.119 --> 00:40:17.559
There's no evidence to back that up.

725
00:40:18.199 --> 00:40:19.800
And does it all come back to like that one

726
00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:21.960
guy who started all the stories on the radio.

727
00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:24.119
Yeah, so it was the guy in the thirties with

728
00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:26.320
the radio and the guy in the seventies that was like,

729
00:40:26.559 --> 00:40:29.960
that's a great story, let's go there. And you know,

730
00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:31.880
it's not the first time this sort of thing has happened.

731
00:40:32.679 --> 00:40:35.960
We look at the Seattle Underground, the Bill Spieedle tours. Yeah,

732
00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:40.639
he is the king and the absolute end all be

733
00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:45.320
all of the Seattle Underground. But he doesn't state his

734
00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:48.639
sources anywhere. I mean, so you read his books, he

735
00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:53.880
doesn't state his sources. His histories are always the most interesting,

736
00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:59.239
the most spicy, like the ones that our podcast is like, fantastic.

737
00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:05.079
To your sources, sir, there are none. Yeah, And he

738
00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:08.679
based a whole like empire on it and multiple books.

739
00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:11.039
And I feel like this is kind of the same thing.

740
00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:13.000
And that's the problem with history, right, Like a lot

741
00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:15.440
of history is just oral. It's people telling people stories

742
00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:16.440
and then they write it down right.

743
00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:18.360
And I was gonna say to a lot of the

744
00:41:18.519 --> 00:41:20.840
shady shit, like why would there be a record of that.

745
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:24.039
Well, sure, and of course there was shady shit going on,

746
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:26.559
and sure there was probably somebody got dropped through a

747
00:41:26.639 --> 00:41:28.960
trapdoor in a bar at some point in Portland. Oh,

748
00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:31.119
I'm sure at least once or twice.

749
00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:33.800
Maybe even just for fun, I would do it.

750
00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:37.280
You put a little padding down there, I will drop

751
00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:39.800
through that trap door and then those those like restraints

752
00:41:39.800 --> 00:41:41.159
were in there, Like what's next?

753
00:41:41.320 --> 00:41:45.599
Yeah, boy, she's like fox stairs. We need the experience

754
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:47.960
next time. I think they need to start implementing.

755
00:41:48.159 --> 00:41:49.599
That's what we need to do, is we need to

756
00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:52.280
start the fake shame experience experience.

757
00:41:53.039 --> 00:41:59.239
And then wait, there are full empty buildings above. Could

758
00:41:59.239 --> 00:42:02.320
we also? Then there was zipline on top of Angelliyah

759
00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:04.639
and then you climb up and you do a zipline

760
00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:08.280
to the bar to a bar. Yes, yes, I which

761
00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:10.960
you're not zipline to a bar. I'm not for ziplining,

762
00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:12.239
but if you put a bar at the end, I

763
00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:13.639
might do it. Love ziplining.

764
00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:19.159
So yeah, there were indeed cases of shanghaiing in the

765
00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:24.000
Pacific Northwest and especially in those chaotic times of maritime trade.

766
00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:26.400
If we didn't explain it before, this is the practice

767
00:42:26.599 --> 00:42:30.159
of kidnapping a man specifically, I don't think this happened

768
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:32.840
to women. Women were kidnapped for other reasons. Not to

769
00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:36.679
serve on a ship unless it was serving anyone specific function,

770
00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:42.760
and these were usually ones doing trade with Asian with Asia.

771
00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:47.320
Again why it's called shanghaiing. In the late eighteen hundreds,

772
00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:51.559
as we've talked about, anti Chinese sentiment was rampant, So

773
00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:55.280
anything that could be attributed to being a negative connotation

774
00:42:55.719 --> 00:42:59.360
against people of Asian descent boo. So in the nineteenth

775
00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:02.599
century law, a lot of sailors were under labor contracts

776
00:43:02.719 --> 00:43:08.239
and it was basically indentured servitude, and they would sometimes

777
00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:11.920
jump ship when they got into a big pork because

778
00:43:11.920 --> 00:43:12.760
they were like this what.

779
00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:18.400
Sucks by yea, take my chances with the mermaids.

780
00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:25.679
Right exactly like a beaver out of the plane. So

781
00:43:26.199 --> 00:43:28.800
reference episode what sixty sixty eight?

782
00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:33.440
Oh guys, I did not tell you you did episode.

783
00:43:34.199 --> 00:43:35.440
It's very special.

784
00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:37.079
It's never sixty nine, isn't it.

785
00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:43.760
Yeah, we are excited. That's why we were getting nasty

786
00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:49.559
sixty We were just very special episode in so many ways.

787
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:55.719
If you're nasty, you know are there are four of

788
00:43:55.840 --> 00:44:01.960
us we could, oh, wait, if there's two sixty nine,

789
00:44:02.239 --> 00:44:03.159
what does that make it?

790
00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:11.239
Wait eight, we're doing a fixed six and thirty nine.

791
00:44:11.840 --> 00:44:14.960
So these the people would that were indentured servants would

792
00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:17.719
jump ship, and so captains had to replenish their crew

793
00:44:18.079 --> 00:44:20.159
and so then they would rely on the services of

794
00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:22.119
these crimps, which we talked about, which was just like

795
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:24.760
a what would you describe it as.

796
00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:30.519
Like a I mean, yeah, basically, I mean it's like

797
00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:34.199
a It ultimately is like a con man meets slave owner.

798
00:44:34.599 --> 00:44:38.880
Really yeah, yeah, yeah, it was it was your timechare salesman. Yeah,

799
00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:40.039
but the timeshare was you.

800
00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:44.679
Right, can and you signed this may of course it's

801
00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:46.519
kind of like a pimp almost a little bit.

802
00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:50.000
Yeah yeah, crimp pimp. That that's really well, there you go,

803
00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:51.000
I go, You're welcome.

804
00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:52.519
We just figured it out.

805
00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:56.719
But there's no concrete proof that there was an organized

806
00:44:56.760 --> 00:45:00.960
tunnel based system doing the heavy lifting for these crimps

807
00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:04.440
in the Shanghai. So it goes back to these nineteen

808
00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:08.039
thirty stories and then the nineteen seventies, and it's just

809
00:45:08.239 --> 00:45:12.320
built with these tales over the year. But you know what,

810
00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:15.079
here on both of our podcasts, we do not let

811
00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:17.599
the facts get in the way of a good story, right,

812
00:45:18.239 --> 00:45:19.400
it's part of the good story.

813
00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:22.360
We loved every second of this tour. Right, Oh oh

814
00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:26.960
my god, best time hunts. Okay.

815
00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:29.440
So, Jody and I have come up with a rating

816
00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:33.039
system for gift shops and tours and it is the

817
00:45:33.079 --> 00:45:38.800
Squatch system and squashes because our Lord and save your bigfoot,

818
00:45:39.880 --> 00:45:44.440
mister squatch satch. So five squatches is the most you

819
00:45:44.519 --> 00:45:48.880
can give to a tour or a gift shop. Why

820
00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:51.480
it is just tours and gift shops. You just have

821
00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:52.519
to figure out, I.

822
00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:54.480
Don't know, start reviewing some other stuff.

823
00:45:54.719 --> 00:45:57.000
Okay, I mean we're just beginners, that's all.

824
00:45:57.800 --> 00:46:01.960
So, Cassie, how many squatches would you give at one

825
00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:05.039
to five of the Shanghai Tunnel tours?

826
00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:05.840
Uh?

827
00:46:11.719 --> 00:46:16.280
Okay, honestly I would say a five because there was beer.

828
00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:18.880
You got to taste beer. Yeah, I forgot. You got

829
00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:21.800
a full beer. Yes, please tell us what you get

830
00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:24.480
with your ticket. You get a tasting of two different

831
00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:28.159
beers in where did we taste those beers? In the tunnels?

832
00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:31.519
In like a little bar area the basement. It was creepiest.

833
00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:36.079
Sound like I was going to say the peepie PEEPI bar.

834
00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:38.039
They have like an old bar down there, and I

835
00:46:38.119 --> 00:46:40.519
don't know where the bar came from or anything, but

836
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:44.199
it looked really cool down there, for sure, there stairs

837
00:46:44.280 --> 00:46:48.239
to nowhere next to it. It was really cool. Now,

838
00:46:48.320 --> 00:46:51.400
this is the one thing you can't be. You can't

839
00:46:51.400 --> 00:46:52.000
have bad knees.

840
00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:55.760
You have to be able to climb things, and not

841
00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:59.480
as bad as going in the stadium high school where

842
00:46:59.480 --> 00:47:02.800
you have to duck. Yeah, I mean you have to

843
00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:08.039
dug a little couple areas ability, like major mobility issues. Yeah,

844
00:47:09.519 --> 00:47:11.480
three times in stadium. It was kind of yeah, it

845
00:47:11.559 --> 00:47:14.440
was kind of like a fancy ladder. Yeah, okay, So

846
00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:17.840
you would say five to ten thousand squatches.

847
00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:19.639
Yes, definitely, and you get a full beer at the

848
00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:20.400
end included.

849
00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:24.039
Yeah, and the two tastings were not just like shy

850
00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:26.039
tastings like he gives you a nice.

851
00:47:26.599 --> 00:47:31.320
Three to four rounds, might have the yeah, that might

852
00:47:31.360 --> 00:47:35.360
be illegal. It wasn't, Doug, It was the ghost. It

853
00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:38.039
was a normal amount of tasting whatever it is.

854
00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:41.719
It was the perfect legal amount.

855
00:47:41.840 --> 00:47:42.159
All right.

856
00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:46.599
So, Caitlin, how many squatches would you give the Shanghai

857
00:47:46.679 --> 00:47:49.199
Tunnel tours to shang High Tunnel Tour.

858
00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:52.840
I don't know. Why there's two tours tours tours tours.

859
00:47:54.239 --> 00:47:57.719
Uh, okay, well listen while Cassie's over here handing out

860
00:47:57.760 --> 00:48:01.920
ten thousand everything to every one, let's see.

861
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:05.880
I feel like I'll even it out. I don't know,

862
00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:08.000
like three point.

863
00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:12.000
Five, okay, So why why three point five? What was it?

864
00:48:12.159 --> 00:48:13.519
The because I didn't want to be there?

865
00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:18.280
Okay, so tell us why you didn't want to be there?

866
00:48:18.519 --> 00:48:19.920
Because I don't like spooky, So.

867
00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:24.920
So doc do a haunted podcast.

868
00:48:26.239 --> 00:48:28.159
No, that is against my will.

869
00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:31.519
And we have a rating system as well, and it

870
00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:34.400
is now it's the number of scoots that I have

871
00:48:34.559 --> 00:48:38.280
to do into my chair as she tells me these stories.

872
00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:40.599
Now that just makes me think of boots scooting from

873
00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:42.679
my dog too.

874
00:48:43.199 --> 00:48:46.239
Yeah, but it just it's not a boogie, it's uh.

875
00:48:48.719 --> 00:48:51.000
The next rating system we have is like how bad

876
00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:51.719
does your buttet?

877
00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:52.079
Like?

878
00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:56.559
How many butt scoots do you need to do some days? Five?

879
00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:07.719
But I feel like I need more favor Okay, Jody,

880
00:49:08.480 --> 00:49:12.320
how many squatches do you give? How many snort squatches

881
00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:15.920
do you give the Shang High Tunnel Tours ten?

882
00:49:16.599 --> 00:49:18.719
I give it ten. It was only five.

883
00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:19.480
I know.

884
00:49:20.360 --> 00:49:23.440
I just felt like you're like Tad. How do I

885
00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:24.760
get do Tad over here?

886
00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:27.760
This little anarchist I don't like rules.

887
00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:32.280
Yeah, She's thing is you know, part of me is

888
00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:34.679
like Jody, her nurse and you know about the pain

889
00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:38.119
scal when people say twelve and you're like, it's not

890
00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:46.679
a twelve, you have a twelve anyway, Just kidding, but anyway, anyway, No,

891
00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:48.760
I thought it was a five. But then I just

892
00:49:48.800 --> 00:49:50.519
didn't even feel like that was good enough, so I thought, Okay,

893
00:49:50.519 --> 00:49:53.360
I'm gonna double it, because it was just I just

894
00:49:53.840 --> 00:49:56.280
I don't know the ambiance the stories and the way

895
00:49:56.360 --> 00:49:58.840
he told him wasn't like trying to get you to

896
00:49:58.960 --> 00:50:01.360
believe and trying to trick you.

897
00:50:01.519 --> 00:50:04.199
I didn't. It was like, I appreciate a little bit

898
00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:05.400
of history.

899
00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:07.199
On this, and this is the experience that I've had,

900
00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:09.559
and these are the stories that we're told, and this

901
00:50:09.760 --> 00:50:12.519
is why, and he told it in a very storytelling way,

902
00:50:13.400 --> 00:50:14.920
and then just the way the.

903
00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:18.039
Moods were all set, and then it was just it

904
00:50:18.199 --> 00:50:18.519
was good.

905
00:50:19.480 --> 00:50:23.199
He made Shaye jump up one whole point, and her

906
00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:28.000
ghost belief that that got there made him double.

907
00:50:28.159 --> 00:50:31.280
You guys, I don't think that even Chris has been

908
00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:32.000
able to do that.

909
00:50:33.119 --> 00:50:35.400
I know. That's why I was like, Chris, don't listen

910
00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:38.960
to this episode. It almost sounds like we're saying you're

911
00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:41.480
not our favorite tour guide, and that's not true. You

912
00:50:41.559 --> 00:50:43.000
are still our favorite tour guide.

913
00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:46.760
Chris. Well, now you have to explain because we didn't

914
00:50:46.760 --> 00:50:48.880
explain the photos, so now we have to explain the

915
00:50:48.920 --> 00:50:50.360
reason up a whole point.

916
00:50:50.440 --> 00:50:53.599
Yes, so real quick, who wants to explain it you? Okay, okay,

917
00:50:53.639 --> 00:50:56.719
but what's your Squatch score? I am giving this a

918
00:50:56.800 --> 00:51:00.599
four point five. The only reason I'm not giving a

919
00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:05.920
full five is because it smelled like mildew and urine.

920
00:51:06.039 --> 00:51:11.440
Well, what was it? That's a ambiance? Yes, authentic? What no,

921
00:51:11.679 --> 00:51:16.480
can't I had? You're such a press. I still think

922
00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:18.960
it could have been a paranormal experience you were having.

923
00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:25.320
I think you were smelling the thousands of homeless people.

924
00:51:26.719 --> 00:51:30.119
It definitely smells amazing down there. She's the one that's

925
00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:34.000
weird a disgusting.

926
00:51:34.800 --> 00:51:38.519
When we were down in our downstairs bar, which sounds

927
00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:43.960
sexual when I came out of my mouth. So we're

928
00:51:44.039 --> 00:51:49.679
in this this peepee bar, which also sounds sexually.

929
00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:52.599
Where I'm at it's a bar in the basement, not

930
00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:53.039
the bar.

931
00:51:53.760 --> 00:51:57.760
He tells us about this experience that they had with

932
00:51:57.920 --> 00:52:00.320
one group of guests where somebody took a picture of

933
00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:03.039
this one specific location. He shows us the picture and

934
00:52:03.159 --> 00:52:06.280
you can clearly see the very creepy form of a

935
00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:09.559
very creepy person in a flannel shirt and a dog

936
00:52:09.679 --> 00:52:13.639
at their feet, and it is creepy, af like. It

937
00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:17.280
gave me the chills. I definitely my butthole puckered. Mm hmm,

938
00:52:18.119 --> 00:52:19.119
it's puckering right now.

939
00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:21.599
If you have the face the face on that picture,

940
00:52:21.880 --> 00:52:24.079
if you zoom in on it, it's just like kind

941
00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:27.280
of distorted and weird, but also real.

942
00:52:27.800 --> 00:52:30.960
But then he followed it up with a story about

943
00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:33.760
this thing called the Philip Experiment, which I'm not going

944
00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:36.039
to get into now, but it was basically like a

945
00:52:36.159 --> 00:52:42.400
group of academics that tried to make a fake ghost

946
00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:45.679
by like if everybody focuses on one concept, they believe

947
00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:47.519
in it, and then you can see it and you

948
00:52:47.559 --> 00:52:49.920
can actually make it do things, and they manage to

949
00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:54.239
make manifest So his question at the end for everybody

950
00:52:54.519 --> 00:52:59.320
was our ghosts actually the remnants of people that existed,

951
00:52:59.519 --> 00:53:02.960
or it is is it the like combined energy of

952
00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:04.840
people believing in a certain thing.

953
00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:07.800
And then he was like, bye, yeah, that's what I mean.

954
00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:13.159
Like my drop wasn't cheesy, and he wasn't preachy, and

955
00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:15.719
he wasn't trying to trick it. And then he put

956
00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:17.800
those thoughts out there, and that's where I was.

957
00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:22.039
Like, Yeah, it was extra. It was extra.

958
00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:24.599
So we're going to get into the Phillip experiment. I think, Yeah,

959
00:53:24.639 --> 00:53:27.000
that's a whole ass episode for sure. I don't care

960
00:53:27.079 --> 00:53:29.320
that it's not Pacific Northwest. We're gonna we gotta do it.

961
00:53:29.400 --> 00:53:31.760
Gotta do it. Sometimes you just do stuf for yourself.

962
00:53:31.440 --> 00:53:31.599
You know.

963
00:53:31.679 --> 00:53:35.559
Sometimes you can just twist it in such.

964
00:53:35.360 --> 00:53:41.039
A way though, like a nipple. I have one more

965
00:53:41.079 --> 00:53:43.960
thing to say though, Yes about Okay, So in the

966
00:53:44.039 --> 00:53:46.920
photo you mentioned, it looked and everyone agreed, it looks

967
00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:50.119
like he's wearing a flannel shirt, Like you can clearly

968
00:53:50.440 --> 00:53:52.559
kind of see the pattern of his shirt. And we

969
00:53:52.719 --> 00:53:56.519
did an episode. Our audience might be familiar, yours might

970
00:53:56.639 --> 00:53:58.880
not be, but we did an episode about flannel man.

971
00:53:59.199 --> 00:54:01.199
I've never heard of it, and it is just this

972
00:54:01.400 --> 00:54:03.480
thing that some people have seen and it's just this

973
00:54:03.719 --> 00:54:06.000
random man who shows up in a flannel shirt and

974
00:54:06.199 --> 00:54:09.840
sometimes just me, it's just you. But you guys were

975
00:54:09.880 --> 00:54:11.360
wearing your flannel shirts today.

976
00:54:11.400 --> 00:54:12.719
You know, I bet we're going to show up as

977
00:54:12.800 --> 00:54:15.880
flannel men and people's your flannel man in pictures?

978
00:54:16.320 --> 00:54:18.280
Why so sexist? Are you going to be a flannel

979
00:54:18.320 --> 00:54:21.000
lady or flannel person? There was actually a flannel woman

980
00:54:21.119 --> 00:54:23.480
and in one of the stories I found, so it's

981
00:54:23.559 --> 00:54:28.760
flannel thems, but one of them, no, it doesn't. But

982
00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:31.599
one of the things is he's sometimes seen with a dog,

983
00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:35.760
which is also very interesting because there's clearly a dog

984
00:54:35.920 --> 00:54:36.960
in this photo as well.

985
00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:47.159
Everybody, if you come to Portland, go do the Shangha.

986
00:54:48.440 --> 00:54:51.519
If you want Doug, you have to call in and

987
00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:54.639
ask for Doug. He's fantastic. Make sure you get a Doug,

988
00:54:55.239 --> 00:54:56.719
make sure you stay and half pizza.

989
00:54:56.880 --> 00:54:59.519
We did. You can actually get it by the slice,

990
00:54:59.519 --> 00:55:00.599
which you not realized.

991
00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:03.400
We were a whole pizza Shane, I have a lot

992
00:55:03.440 --> 00:55:06.159
of pizza to eat. Beer was great. They make their

993
00:55:06.159 --> 00:55:10.239
own beer. Pizza is fantastic. Great location, well, no location

994
00:55:10.360 --> 00:55:13.719
is not great. Great inside the building the location can

995
00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:14.559
be a little sketches.

996
00:55:14.599 --> 00:55:17.800
To just be safe out there. Yeah, and all the

997
00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:21.599
staff was nice. The bartender like everyone re encountered five

998
00:55:21.639 --> 00:55:25.039
squatches across the board for everybody at Old Town Pizza

999
00:55:25.159 --> 00:55:25.639
and Brewing.

1000
00:55:26.159 --> 00:55:31.079
Right, yeah, yes, definitely would come back. All right, well,

1001
00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:36.960
so what do you guys want to say to your listeners?

1002
00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:48.559
Perfect, no notes, have a creepy day and see you

1003
00:55:48.760 --> 00:55:53.639
down the rabbit hole. And then we did not do

1004
00:55:53.800 --> 00:55:58.280
a tarot reading specifically for Shanghai Tunnels in the episode

1005
00:55:58.400 --> 00:56:00.400
because we were you know, we were with it was

1006
00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:03.039
four girls, four girls, Okay, we're hanging out. We were

1007
00:56:03.119 --> 00:56:04.559
just chating, chatting.

1008
00:56:04.239 --> 00:56:07.039
Away, and we didn't do the tarot, and then somebody

1009
00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:09.840
got hungry. I don't even remember how that.

1010
00:56:10.159 --> 00:56:14.360
Was just the whole time. We're not going to name names.

1011
00:56:14.679 --> 00:56:16.280
Well I didn't eat a whole pizza.

1012
00:56:17.679 --> 00:56:20.320
But we thought we would do tarot for our Patreon.

1013
00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:22.639
So if you're on our Patreon, we'll go ahead and

1014
00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:25.400
our post our tarot for the Shanghai tunnels there and

1015
00:56:25.800 --> 00:56:28.679
that's where the tarot will be for that. So boom,

1016
00:56:28.920 --> 00:56:32.280
we're interested, join our patreon. Boom, chocolate lock.

1017
00:56:35.079 --> 00:56:43.119
Yeah, that's the thing, like, yeah, seventh grade, Yeah for sureseys, Okay,

1018
00:56:43.559 --> 00:56:44.840
some of us more than others.

1019
00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:48.320
And I never said that once in my life until

1020
00:56:48.320 --> 00:56:49.800
I got in front of a microphone and all of

1021
00:56:49.840 --> 00:56:52.119
a sudden, all this weird shit comes out of my mouth.

1022
00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:54.840
Why hm hmm.

1023
00:56:59.119 --> 00:57:02.320
Not cross check? I like, is this what it's like

1024
00:57:02.440 --> 00:57:03.639
working with the talent?

1025
00:57:05.599 --> 00:57:06.599
Yeah, you're welcome.

1026
00:57:06.840 --> 00:57:09.639
I'm cross checking you. This is what good talent does,

1027
00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:14.280
some of your safety net. No talent is just supposed

1028
00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:16.679
to show up and do their job and let you fail.

1029
00:57:20.400 --> 00:57:23.280
I love you, fuck you all right, let's do this