June 10, 2025

Portland’s Haunting Music Hall - The Crystal Ballroom

Portland’s Haunting Music Hall - The Crystal Ballroom

This week, we head to https://www.crystalballroompdx.com/, the haunted concert venue that inspired the eclectic, art-filled vibes of the https://www.pnwhauntsandhomicides.com/ghosts-gays-gambling-portlands-crystal-hotel/. Owned today by...

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This week, we head to Portland’s Crystal Ballroom, the haunted concert venue that inspired the eclectic, art-filled vibes of the Crystal Hotel. Owned today by McMenamins, this iconic building has been everything from a debutante’s playground to a psychedelic rock stage—and it has the ghost stories to prove it.

Originally opened in 1914 as Cotillion Hall, the Crystal Ballroom has seen it all: flapper-era scandals, jazz-fueled controversies, Lola Baldwin’s crusade to shut it down (yep, that Lola—the first female police officer in the U.S.), and the unstoppable spirit of Montrose Ringler, who once moved the party onto a boat to dodge a shutdowns. Seriously.

We’ll walk you through the building’s many lives—from hosting acts like Tina Turner, James Brown, and the Grateful Dead, to falling into disrepair and being resurrected by McMenamins in 1997. Today, it’s famous for its floating dance floor (one of the last in the country!), legendary concerts, and—oh yes—its resident spirits. 👻

Special appearance by Shea & Jody from Rainy Day Rabbit Holes!

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One night, a staff member was cleaning up after the

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place was closed when they saw a couple doing the

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jitterbug on the dance floor. But then before he can

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go over and be like, hey, we're closed, Like you

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gotta go. You gotta got no jitterbugging on this dance

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floor tonight. That's enough of the jitterbug, they disappeared. Can

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you imagine if that was like their first dance and

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they met that night and then we're together forever and ever,

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and their souls were always just doing the jitterbug on

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the night this mint, Oh, that's giving me such chills.

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Hi Caitlin, Hi Cassie. Hi creepy people, Holly, if you're

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new here to a creepy little corner of the world.

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This is PNW Hanson Homicides, where we chat about true crime,

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the paranormal, and all things creepy, spooking, weird in the

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Pacific Northwest. That's what I've heard. We also do a

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Tiro reading at the end of every episode for a

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little bit of deeper insight into our topic. And we

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also call the Pacific Northwest the PNW. If you're nasty, yes,

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Cassie insists on it. I just really want people to

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know what the PNW means in our name. Yeah, So

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I don't know if you guys remember we did an

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episode on the mcmhennimu's Crystal Hotel with our friends Shay

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and Jody from Rainy Day Rabbit Holes. Yeah you remember,

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you remember? I remember, And the Crystal Hotel we kind

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of talked about, has like a sister property, which is

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the Crystal Ballroom, which is the concert venue in downtown

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Portland in the same area. It's like right across the street,

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basically like across the street, down the block a little bit, yeah,

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from the Crystal Hotel. And I'm going to tell you

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about that because it's only natural since we just talked

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about the Crystal Hotel to go ahead and just talk

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about the Crystal Ballroom. Tell me, Shay talked a little

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bit about some of the things and like her experiences

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or her mom's experiences at the Crystal Ballroom even too.

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So yeah, I might insert because I think I cut

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those out of the episode, so I might like insert

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those in here and you might just you know, get

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a little taste of Rainy Day Rabbit Holes again. Ooh,

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I love that taste. The rainbow, the rainbow Hole. Oh well, hey,

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it's Pride month Man. Yeah. Yeah, taste the Rainbow rabbit Hole. Ooo. Okay,

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So we talked about in the Crystal Hotel episode that

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all of the artwork from there was inspired by performances

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at the Crystal Ballroom. Yeah. Do you know? You probably don't.

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I don't know why I'm asking you this, but do

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you know what their slogan is at the Crystal Ballroom?

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Oh God, I feel like I should. It's on the

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website and everything. It is on any night, anything can happen.

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Oh wow, which is like whoa? I mean? Oh, it

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is Portland keeping it weird. If you're nasty, if you're creepy,

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weird and nasty, you might be welcome at the Crystal Ballroom.

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You'd have to be. Yeah. So I've never actually been

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into the Crystal Ballroom. I can't remember if you said that,

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if you had or not, Yes, yeah, okay, Yeah, that's

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it's blasphemy.

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It's it's a problem that we are we are going

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to work diligently on correcting.

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We will fix this. We wow. So but I can't

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really speak to this, but I read that it is

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quite an inspiring place with its vaulted ceilings, grand chandelier

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and de cour and of course the famous dance floor,

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which we'll talk about later. So no, no spoiler yet.

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Lots of thoughts and feelings.

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It looks very much like you would expect any mcmanimon's

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location to look like. It's very you know, eccentric, and

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but the vaulted ceilings, that's for sure, Like that's it's

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so cool in that type of a venue to go

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and see a live show. It's a beautiful venue. It's

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like obviously kind of also, you.

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Know, like I said, eccentric, eccentric and historic histor It

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was built in nineteen fourteen as Cotillion Hall what here

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de Wertantes were to be formally introduced into the public

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for male consumption. Yeah, oh my goodness, I wrote, like

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a gag. But yeah, so we all kind of know

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what happens that.

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Yeah, I mean maybe I guess to me, I don't

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think of that being something that it's like a part

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of the lived experience of anyone outside of like the South. Yeah,

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I thought, I guess I'm learning something new that Katillion

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was part of history even here.

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In Portland, yep, which I didn't I didn't really know either. Okay,

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it kind of like reminds me too. I don't know

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if it has anything to do with it, but like

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how we have the Rose Parade and there's always like

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isn't there always like a princess or something of like

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the Rose Parade or.

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Yeah, I don't know specific to like any parade if

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they're like related, but like you.

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Can see where it's like it like the pageantry. Yeah, yeah,

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and you know, and yeah, I don't know, they there

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could be a little bit of a connection there. Interesting,

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I don't know. Anyway, it was a pretty profitable business

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until the nineteen twenties when the owner Montrose Wringler, cut

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the cotillion crap and started playing jazz music. Do you

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have a jazz cigarette? They probably did have jazz cigarettes.

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And I don't think people liked it much. We'll get into.

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It, okay, Yeah, I mean you know that was sort

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of a subversive element at that point.

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Yeah, And I've heard mentions of like back in this

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time when they started dance halls, it was kind of

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like illegal to like touch your partner basically, like you

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had to had to be like, you know, leave room

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for Jesus rules. Oh so when they started playing jazz

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and like you know, dancing close and yeah, maybe hitting

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some sick some slow jam. Yes, people people weren't. Some

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people weren't a fan of it.

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Oh man, what is it they say about, like, uh,

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I can't remember exactly how it goes, but the song,

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you know, bump and grind, Like.

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Yes, that's what it is.

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Yes, yes, yes, yes, I was like, I can't remember

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how it goes. All I remember is the bump and

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grind part.

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Of course, that's all you remember is a bump and

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grind part.

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Well, I mean arguably that's the memorable part. I'm just saying.

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So some people in Portland, believe it or not, believe

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that the dance halls were evil them devil worshipers in

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those in those dance halls. They wanted them banned from

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Portland altogether. And people did actually get together to get

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wringlers dance all shut down. Oh my god, I know,

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what is this? The town and Footlooths kind of yeah,

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this is kind of the town in.

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Footloose, I mean like many many years prior to I

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think when that story takes place, but still still still.

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But one of these people was named Lola Baldwin. I know,

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we have another Lola we're going to talk about. Do

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you know Lola Baldwin. I mean only in the sense

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that I know that there's Ah, yes, you kind of

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spoiled it. But we'll let you get away with it, okay,

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or you can just cut it out. Oh that's true. Yeah,

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maybe we'll see how it works. Or I'll let you

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I'll let you say that at the end. Maybe I'll oh,

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there you go, because you didn't. I didn't know about

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it until I did this research. I learned a lot

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about Lola actually from a presentation by her grandchildren and

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it was put on by the historian for mcminimons. Wow.

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So they videoed this and they put it on YouTube.

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So I got to watch it. And I'm gonna say,

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Lola's grandkids they might be like, you know, in their nineties,

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but they are freaking adorable. Oh they are so cute.

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And I could just like listen to them talk about

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their lives all day like they love that. It was

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so cute. They've got they've got all the good story.

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They do have a lot of good stories, and I

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didn't include like nearly half of it, you know, like wow.

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So if anyone's interested in watching the video obviously, I'll

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link it for you, but they do, I might do.

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Maybe I'll do patroon bonus on Lola because there is

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a ton of interesting information about her. But we're going

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to get into a little bit about her right now,

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love it? Do it? So many described her, including her grandchildren,

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as a stern woman. Yeah, a well meaning, but a

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stern woman. Yeah. And they showed pictures of her and

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she was very stern. Did she look like the farmer's

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wife in the Pitchfork photo? Yes, like literally yes, so intense,

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very intense. Yeah. Yeah. And they did show a picture

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of her at the very end, a picture of her smiling,

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and I was like, oh, okay, so she does have

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it in her but for the most yeah, just you know,

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it's like a resting face, yes, arresting stern face. Yeah.

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We won't call her a bee, we won't disuspect her. Well,

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I don't know. Maybe I want to hear more before

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I decide, right, it's called it might be complicated emotions

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about this, So okay, Lola was a fan of things

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like prohibition. Obviously I knew. If I knew it, I

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can tell by the sternness of her face, and well,

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that's what I pictured.

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It is like the pictures of the women in all

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of the like prohibition like related like articles and stuff

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we've I mean, we've talked about it before and I

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was like, for.

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Shame, yep, yep, she was one of them. But she

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was involved in a lot of organizations helping women and girls,

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so she was very passionate about that. And she was

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concerned about vulnerable young women being preyed upon in the

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dance halls. Sure, and that's fair, it's fair. Yeah, sure

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that it needed to go to the you know, lengths

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of shutting places down. Yeah.

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Yeah, I think that goes back to, like, instead of

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policing what women wear, maybe we raise boys and men

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in a way that doesn't make women feel fearful.

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Right to walk the street? Right, Yeah you think.

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I don't know, maybe in the future. I feel like

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even now, even now, pretty novel idea.

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Yeah, it's pretty out there. And she thought, and I'm

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sure a lot of other people, well I don't need

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to Like a lot of other people also thought that,

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especially in these places playing the evil jazz music, that

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this is where it was happening. It wasn't going to

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be happening in a place, you know, playing like classical

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music or like country music or something was what they thought.

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I'm sure this doesn't really need to be said, but

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there was also a lot of racism behind that, right.

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It wasn't just you know, protecting young women. There was

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a lot of racism because obviously, you know, jazz music

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is black music, and they were doing anything they could

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to shut anything like that down. So, right, but that

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was the reasons that Lola gave.

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Yeah, well, of course, you know, the first concern should

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always be protecting the purity of wat women.

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Fat warmen. Yeah, I'm sure they probably didn't care what

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was happening if it wasn't white women like disappearing, because

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there were women disappearing at this time too, So you

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don't say, yeah, almost like.

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It's been happening for all of time, since the beginning

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of time.

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Yeah. In nineteen oh eight, Lola was presented with badge

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number thirty three, not only as the first policewoman for

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the PPD or the Portland Police Department, but she was

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the first policewoman in the whole last country. Oh okay,

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I mean good for her. Good for her. I had

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no idea like, yeah, we hire the first policewoman.

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I mean, I'm not surprised. I think that the first

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doctor and lawyer license was also in the Pacific Northwest.

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I love that we're so impressive over here, you guys.

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I mean, listen before we go to nor Horn too much. Yes, yeh, yes,

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and no, we hire the women as policemen who shut

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down the jazz dance halls. That's what we did because

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racism and misogyny, you know, like ahead of our time

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in some respects. And then you know, and Lola was

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the one who got Wrigular's dance hall shut down. She

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was specifically the person who was like really in on

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that place. And I don't know if that's why she

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like became a police woman or shut down like that.

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She's like, I gotta get the badge and then I'll

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get the place shut down.

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Yeah, could be that's just the hat rack. She was right,

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that's right. But Wrangler the old rascal refused to be

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stopped and he moved his dance hall two both. I'm

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on a boat, I know, and I was like, wait,

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was this the inspo for the dance floor. We'll get there,

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we'll get there, we'll get there. Oh my god. But

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Lola refused to relent as well, and she also shut

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his dance boat down. The She was like, no, you're

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swimming out into the middle of the lake to go

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shut down their dance party. I think it's a light.

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I think she like went through and like looked at

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all like the laws and like found one where she

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could like point it out and be like, no, you

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can't have a dance hall boat.

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Oh my god, there it's it's it's on the water. Okay,

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Like can we just pretend like international laws because water?

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But those young women, she had to protect them. She

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just like go on without protecting those young women and

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shutting down the dance boats.

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Okay, I mean you chase them off from the first

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venue and they're like, you know what, that sucks, but

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dance boat and they they run over there to the

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dance boat, and then she's following them like what be hell,

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we we're literally running away from you, Lula La Lula.

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Oh. I like to think she had a good heart,

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but her grand children that she did. Yeah, I'm sure

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she did. But you know, some things can be true.

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You could be a real bummer and still have a

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good heart. A real buzz kill Lola was, but yeah,

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well we'll get her back, don't worry. Also, in this presentation,

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the kids they said, as kids they lived on a

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houseboat and they would see a double decker dance barge

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go by. So it was like this was like an

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actual thing, people dancing on boats. And I think it's

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still I think it still is slightly a thing.

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Well yeah, I mean like the Portland Spirit they do

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like boat tours and like dinner cruises and things.

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So yeah, I mean I would imagine. Yeah, but just

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like the a double decker dance barge just sounded so cool,

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like yeah, in the in the I don't know if

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it was like the thirties or the forties when they

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when the kids saw that, but I love that. I'm

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here for it either way. Yeah, I might get seasick,

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but you know we'll see no, no, no. See.

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The thing is is that like if you if you dance,

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then it like counteracts the motion sickness.

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Oh, if you drink, it counteracts the motion sickness. I mean,

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couldn't hurt, right, I'm spinning one way, the boats spin

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in the other just sequels out. I mean yeah, at

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some point you just break even since poor Montrose Wringler

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kept getting his shit shut down. He had to sell

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the ballroom, unfortunately to a man named Dad Watson. And

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Dad isn't quote, so I assume that's his nickname. So

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I'm like, oh, diddy, dirty, yeah, yeah, But Dad Watson

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he played country music at the dance hall until his

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death in the late nineteen thirties, so he wasn't thirty too, lad,

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Poor daddy. He just wanted to play country music.

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And there's like a bajillion places where people did do

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that back then, but Jillian places where people do that now.

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There's lots of venues for all different types of music.

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Like everybody just needs to take so many seats and

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chill pills.

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I know. I think Daddy was just scared of Lola

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shutting his shit down, so he's like, fine, we'll play country.

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It's country, okay, Hey, calm down, Lola, nothing to see here. Yeah, yeah,

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it's all white people. Don't worry about it. Don't worry.

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The ballroom was abandoned until Ralph Ferrier restored the building,

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making it come alive again with square dancing and more

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of that sweet sweet country music. Oh for God's so

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for a good chunk of time, it was it was

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just country music, just a lot of cowboy boots and

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poodle skirts. Yeah, got square dancing. I just if people

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like it, that's fine. I just I don't. I don't

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really want any part in that. Is square dancing? Like,

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is line dancing similar to it? Because that's what I

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think of when I think of like newer country bars

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and stuff.

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Yeah, I mean square dancing is definitely older, I think

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than line dancing, but yeah, it is kind of similar

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in that, like it's like these very specific, like kind

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of a choreographed style of like dancing.

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And no touch in your partner's body. Well, line dancing,

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I don't know, not days. Yeah, maybe line dancing, but

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not not the square dancing.

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Yeah, square dancing is like very like you're moving independent

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of your partner.

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More it's for square, yeah, I mean if it's in

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the name. But then it comes the sixties, you guys,

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and all of a sudden, people aren't really interested in

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country music so much anymore. Thanks to the new popular genres,

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the Crystal Ballroom started to see performers like Tina Turner,

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James Brown, and Marvin Gay. I could hear it now,

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hold on, we're having a silent minute. To dance in

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our heads to the music of the Crystal ball Room

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in the sixties, continuing to grow towards the psychedelic seventies.

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Performers would include the Electric Prunes, Blue Cheer, and the

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Grateful Dead, which we mentioned in the in the Crystal Well. Yeah,

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but I've never heard of the Electric Prunes or Blue

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Cheer obviously. You know, I'm not a huge seventies like

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music less. I mean, there was a lot, a lot,

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a lot a lot of great.

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Music from the seventies. I think those are some choices. Yeah,

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in terms of like that's the sampling of the nineteen seventies,

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I'm like, Okay, I'm thinking, like, you know, the the Eagles,

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I feel like at that point, like the Stones were huge.

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Maybe they didn't come to the Crystal Ballroom.

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Maybe maybe not because they were probably too big for

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a any like that. Maybe maybe that's all it is.

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But like Steve Miller band, the Omen Brothers, I mean,

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you know, anyways, we could be here all day.

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But I'm just saying like, and I definitely just pulled

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it from the article out the specific when I was

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reading about this section, and I didn't like, go back

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and look at the you know in seventies performance history

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of the Crystal Ballroom. I guess I could have. I mean,

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we can get into that at another time. Yeah, maybe

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in the bonus.

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Yeah, I mean for me and for science. I feel

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like maybe maybe we do that late.

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Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Caitlin, we'll look into that for me.

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But do you remember that growth I talked about. They

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were growing towards those psychedelic seventies, but that growth would

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soon be cut short, No, due to worries of psychedelic music.

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Brain fry. All right, I was gonna say, are they

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they're growing? Huh? What are they growing? They were? They

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were growing, they were growing, they were growing with the times.

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And then all of a sudden they did what they

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did to the jazz music and they called it evil Boo.

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So just the same some more, the same old story,

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but just a different music genre. After that, the ballroom

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was pretty much abandoned and people would break in and

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use it as a questionable hangout spot. Oh you could

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probably imagine. Yeah, I guess it was also used as

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an art studio and held private parties at like certain times.

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Oh that sounds really cool. Yeah, I think so too.

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Like the private party to have that in like a

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huge abandoned building, Oh yeah, yeah, or an artsud like

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totally cool. And I don't know if this was like

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before or after people were breaking in to do various things.

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Not the timeline, but yeah, buildings just go through so

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many life cycles when they've been around this long, and

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especially like in a bigger I mean, Portland is a

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small city, like when you look at you know, bigger

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cities like it, even Seattle, you know. I mean we're

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no Chicago, We're no New York, that's for sure, but

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like in cities like that, you know that like the

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history and all of the Yeah, it's it's wild.

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To think about. Yeah. Well, speaking of the history, it

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has been on the National Register of Historic Places since

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nineteen seventy nine, so I feel like that was kind

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of the only thing that was keeping it around during

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the times it was abandoned. Oh I would think so. Yeah,

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And they like they had several failed restoration attempts to

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I don't know like who in that time was trying

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to rebuild it, but they just it nothing was working,

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nothing was sticking. Yeah, until the mcminnimon's brothers took over

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the ballroom, they renovated they added a bar, restaurant, brewery,

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and a new sprung dance floor. They actually literally called

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it a sprung dance floor, and I was.

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Like, oh baby, I mean honestly accurate though, Like that's

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an accurate characterization.

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It is. And the Crystal Ballroom reopened in nineteen ninety seven.

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So it's like this like kind of crazy like gap

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in its history, like in a period of flux.

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Yeah, and who knows, you know, like this is a

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fair normal podcast. What kind of like huh things or

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left over from that time? What kind of energy? Hey,

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I've I've talked about venues too. Maybe it's a true crime.

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It could be, it could be is it episode? Like

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is it did something happen there? I don't know.

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I mean, any venue that's been around that long, I

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feel like something has to have happened.

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Probably, But for right this second, we're going to get

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into that dance floor that I keep hinting about, because

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it's pretty cool. It is something. It is something. Yes,

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it is a floating dance floor, and it is meant

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to absorb the shock of people's feet as they dance.

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And from what I read, it sounds like they put

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like foam on the bottom of like the wood planks

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to make it so it's like squishy floating. It's very springy,

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but it reduces the chances of injury during torking. Huh,

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that's the purpose. Still, I'm gonna say not not my favorite.

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I don't get down low no, no, because it's too squishy,

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too squishy, but I feel like you don't feel like

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you've got like a solid base. Well that was the

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thought anyway, is that it would kind of like you know,

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maybe keep you from getting shin splints or something.

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Yeah, they were very concerned about the future tour.

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Yes, floating floors were actually I've heard were pretty popular,

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but I don't know in the Pacific Northwest how popular

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they were.

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I mean, I can't think of anywhere else where like

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you can go and actually walk around on one anywhere else.

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Not anymore, because this is that's when the last one's left,

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like in the world. So yeah, in the world, in

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the well, in the country, I think in the country.

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I don't know about the world, but definitely here in

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the United States, it's like one of the last ones.

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Who Yeah, and people say it's like dancing on clouds,

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which is a very Portland thing to say.

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It's kind of more like dancing on jello with like

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pantyhose strewn.

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Oh on it it's I want solid. I don't. To me,

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I don't.

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I don't really get I don't get like a I

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don't get seasick, like if I go on like a

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boat or like a ferry, I don't have that. I

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do get carsick still, like it could happen to me

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today to say, but that's the closest thing that I

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can think of to like, it feels like how people

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describe like being seasick.

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Oh yeah, yeah, it weirds me out. Yeah. We I

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remember chatting with Shay about it, and she really enjoyed it,

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from what I remember her saying. And then we were

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like ooh, because I'm really sensitive emotion too, and like

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I can't even like step on a dock or I'll

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be I go like so sick.

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It feels like I'm walking through someone's ancient attic.

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And I feel like when we went to the van

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Resa Castle and we were up in the attic and

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it was all floaty feeling.

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It's like squishy, yeah, and it feels like, oh God,

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is that like is that a board that like it's is.

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That a board or quicksand what is that? Yeah, I

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don't like it.

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I don't want to feel like that the whole time

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I'm at a concert. It because I really feel like

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I'm like, I can't tell if I'm about to like

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my foot's gonna go through.

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00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:35.799
I know it's not.

457
00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:40.440
Because it's it like it's it doesn't seem unsafe, but

458
00:28:40.519 --> 00:28:42.240
my brain says.

459
00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:44.880
Yeah, it's like a I feel like it's like a

460
00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:48.680
lizard brain reaction to like your body feeling like it's

461
00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:50.759
in danger even though your mind is like you, dude,

462
00:28:50.759 --> 00:28:51.599
you're fine.

463
00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:55.519
Yes, one thousand percent. I just like, no matter how

464
00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:58.559
many times I tell myself, it's like it's kind of

465
00:28:58.599 --> 00:29:02.319
like like a little tiny trampoline, and.

466
00:29:02.920 --> 00:29:05.000
I'm just like, that is the stupidest thing.

467
00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:08.160
I'm like, I can't even trick my own brain into

468
00:29:08.200 --> 00:29:10.519
believing that, but but.

469
00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:12.119
I would try it. I want to walk on it

470
00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:14.960
and to see what it's like. Cool, it's cool. I

471
00:29:15.039 --> 00:29:17.880
can do it in short bouts.

472
00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:22.920
I have to go like towards the edges, because there

473
00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:25.759
are parts of the venue where you can feel it

474
00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:30.599
less and like the outer edges. Like then that gives

475
00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:31.640
me like a little breather.

476
00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:35.000
That makes sense. Yeah. H When you're like in the middle,

477
00:29:35.119 --> 00:29:37.640
it's like, oh and everyone's like moving around you too.

478
00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:42.319
Oh wow, Oh we're getting motions like it's just thinking

479
00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:45.160
about it. It's like being on a seesaw kind of

480
00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:48.960
in a way. It's it's freaky. It's really cool. I

481
00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:49.720
love it.

482
00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:52.839
It's very exciting because it sounds like it's a kind

483
00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:54.920
of a rare thing to be able to experience.

484
00:29:55.359 --> 00:29:55.519
Now.

485
00:29:55.519 --> 00:29:57.519
I feel like kind of a dick for going on

486
00:29:57.640 --> 00:30:01.559
and on about how I'm I kind of like, but

487
00:30:01.720 --> 00:30:03.599
you want, you know, we want creepy people to be

488
00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:06.599
warned if they're gonna go, Like if you're really sensitive,

489
00:30:06.680 --> 00:30:09.160
like just know what you're stepping on to so you

490
00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:11.799
don't feel like maybe you don't know what's happening if

491
00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:12.960
you didn't read about the place.

492
00:30:13.119 --> 00:30:14.920
I don't know if they have signs up telling you

493
00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:16.359
it's a floating dance floor or not.

494
00:30:16.680 --> 00:30:18.599
I don't think so. I don't think i've ever seen

495
00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:22.400
anything about that. I remember the first time that I

496
00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:27.960
went to a show there, and I was like when

497
00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:31.079
I made when I made my way to the middle,

498
00:30:31.279 --> 00:30:34.359
like I had no context for that, and I was like,

499
00:30:35.000 --> 00:30:37.839
what is I was. I was genuinely a little bit

500
00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:39.200
terrified for a second.

501
00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:45.279
We're just here to provide context for your future endeavors, y'all. Yeah,

502
00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:50.599
and maybe also process my trauma. Yeah a little bit. Oh,

503
00:30:50.599 --> 00:30:52.759
but that's why I was wondering kind of like if

504
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:59.119
the like dance boat idea kind of inspired the dance yeah, honestly. Yeah.

505
00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:01.960
Well and it's funny because I'd forgotten even that you

506
00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:06.039
said that, but like describing it as like this is

507
00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:10.279
how people say it like feels to like be seasick,

508
00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:12.759
and I'm like, yeah, I don't think I've ever actually

509
00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:17.519
been seasick, but this is like that you can imagine

510
00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:19.839
like the closest comparison for me.

511
00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:22.200
So if you're ever wanting to know what it's like

512
00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:25.920
to be seasick and you just can't experience it, go

513
00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:29.759
to the floating dance floor at the Crystal Ballroom in Portland, Oregon.

514
00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:35.880
I know, not a great not exactly an e that

515
00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:40.079
sponsored Well, maybe this will help. The Crystal Ballroom now

516
00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:43.319
holds up to eight hundred and fifty people sitting and

517
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:46.240
fifteen hundred standing, which I feel like is kind of

518
00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:49.079
like it's not that big of a place. But I

519
00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:52.839
guess it kind of is. Yeah, I mean, so I

520
00:31:53.359 --> 00:31:54.000
think of it.

521
00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:57.720
It's one of several venues in Portland where you're like,

522
00:31:58.160 --> 00:32:01.599
that's kind of small, right, like compared to like if

523
00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:04.759
you think about like a Modus Center something on that scale.

524
00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:08.799
It's Acoma Dome smaller than those, Yeah, but.

525
00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:12.839
Like compare it to like the scale of like you know,

526
00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:16.640
an average like wedding venue which may host Most of

527
00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:20.720
them are like maybe two hundred two fifty max. So

528
00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:25.240
it's like it puts it into perspective not like stadium, yeah, but.

529
00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:29.400
Like bigger than a wedding venue, an average one. Anyway,

530
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:33.359
Caitlin would know she looked at them all I did

531
00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:37.039
quite literally. Yeah.

532
00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:39.359
Well, one thing that's really cool for me is my

533
00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:44.039
mom is an Oregonian and when she she moved to

534
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:47.400
Portland when she turned eighteen, and she had a little

535
00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:50.799
apartment in the Montgomery District and she worked at Montgomery Wards.

536
00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:56.359
Oh cute and yeah, and I've been by her apartment

537
00:32:56.359 --> 00:32:58.680
building and it's one of those old brick like two

538
00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:02.519
story buildings, you know, that's so cute, And my gosh,

539
00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:03.200
she told me.

540
00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:06.480
Shay, I think our moms lived in the same building

541
00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:08.200
in Montgomery District.

542
00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:11.039
Dude, well, next time we come out, let's do a

543
00:33:11.039 --> 00:33:12.640
field trip. Let's go out there and see if it's

544
00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:16.799
the same building. But she we need in the like

545
00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:18.279
early sixties.

546
00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:23.160
Oh okay, No, they maybe lived in the same building,

547
00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:26.440
but maybe not at the same time. Yeah, not at

548
00:33:26.440 --> 00:33:28.599
the same time. So uh.

549
00:33:28.720 --> 00:33:30.839
But she told me she used to go to the

550
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:33.240
Crystal Ballroom to go dancing all the time because they

551
00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:36.039
would have these the concerts were cheap, and they would

552
00:33:36.039 --> 00:33:39.559
do dances there all the time. So I've been there

553
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:42.480
to dance for eighties nights, like more times than I

554
00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:45.400
can name. I love it so much. Their floating dance

555
00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:48.119
floor is amazing. But it's very cool being in there

556
00:33:48.119 --> 00:33:50.640
and being like my mom was dancing in the same

557
00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:54.200
exact place in the nineteen sixties. Oh, that is cool.

558
00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:56.640
She used to take the bus to the Lloyd Center

559
00:33:56.839 --> 00:33:59.880
during the time that Jerry Brutos was active, and I

560
00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:02.559
I'm always like, Mom, you could have been a victim.

561
00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:07.240
You could have never been here. Anyways, that's that's my

562
00:34:07.279 --> 00:34:08.039
mom in Portland.

563
00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:10.800
That's so cool. I mean, besides the killer part.

564
00:34:11.400 --> 00:34:13.639
Yeah right, she didn't get killed, so it's fine.

565
00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:18.119
Yeah, Well, you know, you win some, you lose some, right,

566
00:34:18.280 --> 00:34:19.719
she won that one.

567
00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:23.079
Yeah, I have to say, I'm not a fan of

568
00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:25.480
the floating dance floor and oh you know.

569
00:34:25.639 --> 00:34:28.599
Like the floating dance floor. Oh, I'd like it.

570
00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:33.199
I mean it's not like it's bouncing like always dancing.

571
00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:36.559
It feels like a little bit floaty. No, like if

572
00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:40.840
you have vertigo, it's risky. Sure, okay, okay, I could

573
00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:42.719
see that. Yeah, but I got a blast there. And

574
00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:45.719
then it was always because they do the eighties dance

575
00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:48.199
attack like they do the eighties video Dance Attack, and

576
00:34:48.239 --> 00:34:50.800
they do a nineties night too, and I've been to both,

577
00:34:51.559 --> 00:34:55.760
of course multiple times both and then one time so

578
00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:58.360
for my fortieth birthday, I was like, I want to

579
00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:00.239
go to Portland. I want to go to eighties night.

580
00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:02.239
But the only eighties night that was happening that weekend

581
00:35:02.440 --> 00:35:05.960
was the Prince Tribute night, so it was in the

582
00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:10.320
ballroom itself. So I love the Prince, but there is

583
00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:13.199
a limit of how much Prince you can dance to

584
00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:18.159
in a single night, because the danceable songs are you know, like.

585
00:35:18.239 --> 00:35:19.320
Eighties, not all of them.

586
00:35:19.480 --> 00:35:22.480
Yeah, it's not all of them, Like you're not gonna

587
00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:23.559
dance the rest of them.

588
00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:30.599
You know, you do something else, but I.

589
00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:34.039
Won't do karaoke, but she will sing for our podcast.

590
00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:38.639
But I was drunk enough that that did not matter.

591
00:35:39.880 --> 00:35:41.679
And by the end of the night, my friend had

592
00:35:41.719 --> 00:35:44.559
me convinced that we were gonna go get matching Prince tattoos.

593
00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:46.239
And then I went to the back to the hotel room.

594
00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:49.400
Oh thank god, you didn't get that's good, Thank goodness.

595
00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:55.920
Happy fortieth to me, who it was not that long ago.

596
00:35:56.239 --> 00:35:59.000
I have so much to look forward to. I'm so excited.

597
00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:02.360
I know, Hey, we could all still do this for

598
00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:03.159
your fortieth.

599
00:36:03.280 --> 00:36:06.199
Yeah, we will be there. I will. We have an opportunity.

600
00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:08.559
I will talk you into a matching Prince tattoo that

601
00:36:08.559 --> 00:36:11.639
I will not get. It's the benefit of having older friends.

602
00:36:11.719 --> 00:36:14.760
I'm calling you your plan on my fortieth first.

603
00:36:14.840 --> 00:36:21.320
Absolutely, we're there. The Crystal Ballroom now sees many different

604
00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:25.639
genres of performances, probably all of the genres at this point. Like,

605
00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:29.840
I don't think they're they're what's that word, they're discriminating

606
00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:33.039
at all on genres? Yeah, absolutely no.

607
00:36:33.199 --> 00:36:38.559
And honestly, when you look at the different like artists

608
00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:42.519
and the different bands that are highlighted. Yeah, the selection

609
00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:48.079
for the hotel rooms. So at the Crystal Hotel, it's

610
00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:52.719
such a wide selection of like different styles, it.

611
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:55.639
Kind of ruins the gamut, I think. Yeah. Yeah, And

612
00:36:55.679 --> 00:36:57.840
as far as I know, no one's trying to shut

613
00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:01.360
it down. So everyone knock on your wood, knock on

614
00:37:01.400 --> 00:37:07.719
your floating dance floor wood gently, gently, don't want to

615
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:14.480
get sick. Now. So there's a couple of places, like

616
00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:18.039
I talked about them having a bar, and yeah, they

617
00:37:18.039 --> 00:37:19.800
had a brewery, a couple of so we're going to

618
00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:22.400
talk about some of those places. And one of them

619
00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:27.920
is Wringler's Pub, which is defined by a purple awning

620
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:31.320
on the ground floor of the Crystal Ballroom building. And

621
00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:35.480
does the name Wringler sound familiar to you at all? WHOA,

622
00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:39.320
So we just talked about him. It was named after

623
00:37:39.480 --> 00:37:44.239
Montrose Wringler, and it might see it kind of is

624
00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:46.360
he was the original owner of the building.

625
00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:49.719
Yeah, I think that's really cool. And they do that,

626
00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:53.199
I feel like in so many subtle ways too.

627
00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:55.920
They do. And we talked about a couple of those

628
00:37:57.000 --> 00:37:59.960
things with the Crystal Hotel too. So if Wrangler sound

629
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:03.079
it's kind of familiar to we talked about the Wringler's Annex,

630
00:38:03.519 --> 00:38:06.360
which is just like a little like offshoot of the

631
00:38:06.519 --> 00:38:12.119
Wrangler's Bar kind of. That's in that Ringlers features classic

632
00:38:12.159 --> 00:38:15.800
American fair in a pub where pinball, shuffle board, and

633
00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:20.400
pool tables. Beckon, I love me some shuffle board. I

634
00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:23.159
have seen people play it. I'm not sure if I've

635
00:38:23.199 --> 00:38:26.519
actually played it. I think we kind of talked about

636
00:38:26.519 --> 00:38:34.519
this earlier. You're so so appalled that I've never shuffle boarded. Okay, well,

637
00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:37.440
so here's the thing. I was very very surprised.

638
00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:41.760
But it was the sharp intake in the gas that

639
00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:45.519
I listen, I'm not really meant.

640
00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:45.840
To be here.

641
00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:49.519
I might be an actual ghost because I so frequently

642
00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:55.000
am like choking on my own spit. Yeah, it's tripping

643
00:38:55.039 --> 00:39:00.880
over my own feet. Honestly, it's it's really a actious.

644
00:39:01.239 --> 00:39:03.760
It is like how do I even deal with you? Like,

645
00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:06.239
I don't know, I don't know.

646
00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:10.360
It's like I'm auditioning to be like the best friend

647
00:39:11.239 --> 00:39:15.320
in a rom com or something like oh oh oh, so.

648
00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:18.639
Am i am the star of the rom com? Where

649
00:39:18.760 --> 00:39:23.559
and where is my rom calmness than Caitlin? I don't know? Okay,

650
00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:28.719
where's my rom com. Kaitlyn, My life is just a

651
00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:35.760
sad calm? Is a sad calm? You're the You're the

652
00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:41.199
sidekick in a sad com movie. What is that the

653
00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:47.519
sad comedy comedy? Anyway? Oh my god, I don't even know.

654
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:50.239
Oh you're talking about shuffle board, And this is interesting

655
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:52.599
because I'm like, I can't remember if I've actually played

656
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:55.000
it or if I've just seen people playing it on TV.

657
00:39:55.119 --> 00:39:57.079
And we literally were talking about the earlier about the

658
00:39:57.119 --> 00:39:59.280
Renaissance Fair, where I was like, I don't know if

659
00:39:59.320 --> 00:40:01.679
I've actually red into a Renaissance Fair or if I've

660
00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:04.519
just heard enough people talk about it and like seeing

661
00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:05.280
one on TV.

662
00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:09.760
Yeah, no, I have been to one, and I specifically

663
00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:11.719
went to the one that you were talking about.

664
00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:16.679
And now I'm like, do I do a lot of stuff?

665
00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:18.719
Because I don't think so. I feel like I never

666
00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:22.280
leave my house and it's completely intentional. You do stuff

667
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:25.840
I occasionally, You go to the Renaissance Fair, you play

668
00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:28.199
shuffle board, and even to the crystal ballroom. Those are

669
00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:32.079
three things I don't think I've ever done. I mean, honestly,

670
00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:36.440
I'm shocked. I'm miss I'm you don't even seem shocked.

671
00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:39.280
So I was gonna say, I'm as shocked as you are,

672
00:40:39.320 --> 00:40:43.280
but I'm I'm you're not matching my You're you're not

673
00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:48.039
matching my freak. Oh speaking of your shirt, though we

674
00:40:48.039 --> 00:40:50.000
weren't really talking about your shirt, but I just remembered

675
00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:52.320
mad Hustle, and I was like, it kind of reminded

676
00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:55.639
me of some of the themes in the episode with Wrangler

677
00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:57.800
having the mad hustle he was trying to get out

678
00:40:57.840 --> 00:40:59.679
on the boat when he couldn't do his stance for

679
00:41:01.159 --> 00:41:04.519
in the hall, and then Lola having the mad hustle

680
00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:09.719
about getting everyone shut down. I mean, boo oh, Okay,

681
00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:11.960
we have some more stuff to talk about. What was

682
00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:17.679
originally the Crystal Ballroom's dance rehearsal studio between the Ballroom

683
00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:22.519
and Wringler's Pub is a six barrel brewery established in

684
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:25.239
nineteen ninety seven, which I think is when I said

685
00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:28.280
they opened it general, so it opened along with the

686
00:41:29.559 --> 00:41:35.000
new mcminnimon's Crystal Ballroom. They craft seasonal and unique beers

687
00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:41.320
as well as mcminnimon's favorites, like the usual ruby hammerhead.

688
00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:47.159
I think is one of their hammerheads. I'm not totally sure.

689
00:41:48.239 --> 00:41:52.480
I think they have branched out into brewing other types

690
00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:53.840
of spirits as well.

691
00:41:54.679 --> 00:41:58.199
I'm not sure there from what I read they do.

692
00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:01.199
As far as I I know, they do some barrel

693
00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:03.920
aged beers and the barrels they use come from the

694
00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:08.840
Edgefield Distillery. So in case anyone doesn't know, is another

695
00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:13.800
mcminimon's popular Mcminimon's property who also does Like they do

696
00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:16.480
concerts too, Yeah, the Edgefield.

697
00:42:16.599 --> 00:42:24.679
Yeah, yeah, that's arguably probably the biggest of I think

698
00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:30.039
the properties. And I mean they have a hotel, They've

699
00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:32.719
got kind of like a little spa situations.

700
00:42:32.960 --> 00:42:35.519
Is that where we went for the that concert we

701
00:42:35.559 --> 00:42:41.239
went to? Who was that? Michigan on Kelly? Was that there? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

702
00:42:41.039 --> 00:42:42.480
yeah it was.

703
00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:44.920
I was like, I feel like we've been there together,

704
00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:46.440
but I couldn't quite place it.

705
00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:50.000
Yeah, I'd never been there before. That was my first time. Yeah,

706
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:53.519
and it rained the entire night. It did. Oh should

707
00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:56.800
we insert some of those pictures? I think I still

708
00:42:56.840 --> 00:43:00.599
have like video clips from that too. Loved it. I

709
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:03.039
thought it was so fun, it was so pubb we

710
00:43:03.119 --> 00:43:06.239
had such a good time. M h. Anyway, where was

711
00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:07.840
I going with that? Oh? So, I don't know if

712
00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:10.800
they do any distilling there. I didn't see anything on it,

713
00:43:10.840 --> 00:43:13.079
but I wasn't really looking for that either, so well,

714
00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:13.679
I'm not sure.

715
00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:15.880
And the only reason why I even like bring it

716
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:19.280
up is because they have their own like kind of signature,

717
00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:24.480
like they have the umbrella, Jimmy's rose. They've got like

718
00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:28.519
I think it's a white rabbit, like a couple of

719
00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:32.239
different I want to say, wine selections they have. They

720
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:35.159
have some other signature ones and so those may not

721
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:39.880
be produced on their properties like where people go and

722
00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:43.800
stay per se, but like they they've got, they got

723
00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:46.079
their hands on a little bit of everything they do

724
00:43:46.760 --> 00:43:48.360
and it's all delicious.

725
00:43:48.800 --> 00:43:56.079
So we all know I started abbreviating mcminimum's m MSMs amens.

726
00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:01.719
We all know mcminimons loves it's unique in historic art.

727
00:44:02.119 --> 00:44:07.519
They seemingly slip it in everywhere they can, little oh crevices, spracks,

728
00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:13.559
even really big things overhead and height, yes, everything, And

729
00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:17.119
they even included some of this artwork on the brewery

730
00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:21.079
tanks in the brewery. Yeah, obviously the brewery takes her

731
00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:23.639
in the brewery. Where else would they be, Cassie, I mean,

732
00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:27.079
I don't know, but on one of those tanks is

733
00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:33.079
a portrait of none other then Lola Baldwin bo So.

734
00:44:33.159 --> 00:44:35.639
I wonder like kind of how she feels about having

735
00:44:35.679 --> 00:44:40.400
her face on something that is making alcohol all of

736
00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:44.760
that Licka. So they did that kind of like as

737
00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:48.039
a little payback to Lola for you know, shutting things down.

738
00:44:48.519 --> 00:44:51.719
Honestly, that just feels like she's a part of the history,

739
00:44:51.920 --> 00:44:56.440
and I feel like, as much as I have bowed her,

740
00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:02.840
I can understand. You know, at a certain point in history,

741
00:45:03.039 --> 00:45:05.760
there were you know, we talked about it with prohibition

742
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:08.480
crimes where it you know, there was a lot of

743
00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:12.400
violence against women, and a lot of it stemmed from

744
00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:18.639
like really like raging issues with you know, alcoholism and

745
00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:24.000
a lot of untreated addiction and mental health issues. And

746
00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:27.239
you know, I think there were a lot of people

747
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:30.480
that were just like, we don't know what else to do,

748
00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:33.199
and we don't have a lot of resources to try

749
00:45:33.239 --> 00:45:36.000
to fix this. Yeah, so we're just gonna like we're

750
00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:37.679
cutting the cord on.

751
00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:45.880
The on the booze, shut it it's down, gotta go. Yeah. Yeah,

752
00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:48.840
but racism, I don't I'm not going to give you

753
00:45:48.880 --> 00:45:53.480
a pass there. Yeah, definitely some passionate people doing what

754
00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:56.679
they thought was the right thing to do. So yeah.

755
00:45:57.320 --> 00:46:00.880
But speaking of Lola again, she also as a namesake

756
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:05.039
in this place, which Caitlin mentioned earlier. What is it

757
00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:09.800
call Lola's Room? Lola's Room, which I don't know much about,

758
00:46:09.880 --> 00:46:13.199
but I read it is like a sister venue for

759
00:46:13.360 --> 00:46:15.840
DJ events and other smaller shows.

760
00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:21.079
Yeah, but yeah, in like the same building though it's not. Yeah, yeah, no,

761
00:46:21.159 --> 00:46:24.480
it's in it is. It's in the same building, so like,

762
00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:27.880
I know it exists. I know I've been there. None

763
00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:30.719
of the snapshots in my head matchup with it. Really,

764
00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:32.400
we'll go there and we'll find it.

765
00:46:32.599 --> 00:46:38.079
We're gonna go go say ha to Loola, Loola, Well,

766
00:46:38.119 --> 00:46:40.880
are you ready to talk about some ghosty things while

767
00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:43.800
we're here, while we're at it? Why not? Oh shit?

768
00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:47.719
I kind of thought maybe that wasn't gonna happen this time. Nah,

769
00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:52.960
it's happening. Okay, pull up your feet. It's not that bad. Okay.

770
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:58.000
Some local psychics believe that the bricks of the building

771
00:46:58.079 --> 00:47:01.079
are holding the energy from all the excitement that has

772
00:47:01.159 --> 00:47:05.519
taken place there since the opening. All that dancing, all

773
00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:09.079
that live music, all of that shenanigans.

774
00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:14.559
Yeah, I mean that's like mostly probably good energy.

775
00:47:14.599 --> 00:47:17.159
But it is a lot of energy, and it could

776
00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:20.679
be I mean, we don't know there were things happening

777
00:47:20.719 --> 00:47:23.079
to girls back then, so I mean there could be

778
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:26.800
some of that negative energy as well. Sure not saying

779
00:47:26.920 --> 00:47:31.199
like that that happened so often it needed to be

780
00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:34.000
like shut down or was so unique in that specific

781
00:47:34.079 --> 00:47:35.960
space that it needed to be shut down. I think so,

782
00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:39.679
I think it probably did happen. It probably wasn't like

783
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:44.159
an unfounded claim or anything. But yeah, so it could

784
00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:48.920
be very good, like upbeat, happy energy. It could not be,

785
00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:52.119
especially maybe the times where it was abandoned and who

786
00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:53.880
knows what was going on.

787
00:47:54.719 --> 00:47:56.840
Yeah, I think I think there could be a lot

788
00:47:56.880 --> 00:47:59.960
of intense energy from that period.

789
00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:07.320
Yeah, and all the reservations too, like I'm sure you know. Yeah,

790
00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:12.199
so people experience lights flickering in certain rooms, but like

791
00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:18.079
not in others. Loud, unexplained noises coming from the ballroom,

792
00:48:18.159 --> 00:48:21.239
so like maybe when it's empty or like nothing's going on,

793
00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:24.079
they would hear things and then like go to see

794
00:48:24.159 --> 00:48:27.119
what's going on in there, and that all the noises

795
00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:27.639
just stop.

796
00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:31.760
Oh I don't I don't care for that. And because

797
00:48:31.840 --> 00:48:34.519
of like the vaulted ceilings, like things would just like

798
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:37.360
echoes like crazy.

799
00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:39.920
I'm like picturing all like this noise and then you

800
00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:42.440
open the door, but then like it stops, but like

801
00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:45.760
you're still hearing like the echoing of what's going on.

802
00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:48.519
I don't know if that's true. That's just like what

803
00:48:48.639 --> 00:48:52.400
I'm picturing in my head. Yeah. No, honestly, I could

804
00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:56.920
see it. I could see it. Guest report feeling like

805
00:48:57.159 --> 00:49:02.400
maybe fingers pulling on their clothes and feeling cold spots

806
00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:05.559
in certain areas, which is kind of I don't know,

807
00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:08.159
like how if the AC is really good in this

808
00:49:08.199 --> 00:49:12.400
old building. I'm not in minimums. It's not really known

809
00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:16.119
for its great air conditioning, so no, And I can

810
00:49:16.199 --> 00:49:19.440
imagine like if it's full of people, it's not going

811
00:49:19.519 --> 00:49:22.559
to be cold. So if you're experiencing a cold spot.

812
00:49:22.880 --> 00:49:29.079
Yeah, yeah, that that feels outside of the realm of explanation,

813
00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:33.360
at least from my experience. Yes, it's a hot venue,

814
00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:39.320
and the AC, I will say, like, is not it's

815
00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:44.039
not working over time and a lot of warm bodies

816
00:49:44.079 --> 00:49:44.679
in there, and.

817
00:49:44.800 --> 00:49:48.360
Movement, yes, sweaty bowdies.

818
00:49:48.880 --> 00:49:52.440
If you are feeling a cold spot, like during a

819
00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:54.599
summer concert there, like.

820
00:49:56.239 --> 00:49:58.440
I think it's time to go I'll look about your

821
00:49:58.519 --> 00:50:02.800
ubers here, like, or maybe you just hang out in it,

822
00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:05.840
follow it around, just be in that ghost for the

823
00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:09.280
entire time and have your own air conditioning. Yeah, but

824
00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:15.159
then the ghost is going to ghost you. Ah, come on, yeah,

825
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:17.519
in my sad calm then even the ghosts ghost me.

826
00:50:19.159 --> 00:50:21.440
No, you just have to play hard to get. Ghosts

827
00:50:21.440 --> 00:50:25.400
are looking for the amusement. They're looking for something to

828
00:50:25.519 --> 00:50:27.239
spice up the afterlife.

829
00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:33.480
Yeah. People also report seeing apparitions dressed in nineteen twenties clothing,

830
00:50:34.039 --> 00:50:40.559
kind of like moving around, dancing around the ballroom, mingling. Yes, please,

831
00:50:41.079 --> 00:50:45.320
I know the twenties, Oh so good, the art deco

832
00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:47.360
of it all, the Great Gatsby.

833
00:50:48.519 --> 00:50:48.559
Ugh.

834
00:50:49.320 --> 00:50:52.239
I mean I know that eras don't necessarily like one

835
00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:55.320
hundred percent matchup, but like it's a vibe. That's what

836
00:50:55.360 --> 00:50:59.000
I'm thinking of too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes. One night,

837
00:50:59.159 --> 00:51:02.079
a staff member was cleaning up after the place was

838
00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:07.039
closed when they saw a couple doing the jitterbug on

839
00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:10.480
the dance floor. But then before he can go over

840
00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:13.440
and be like, hey, we're closed, like you gotta go,

841
00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:16.280
you gotta go. No jitterbug in on this dance floor tonight.

842
00:51:16.599 --> 00:51:20.440
That's enough. Of the jitterbug they disappeared, But that that

843
00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:23.840
feels like some of that like good energy. That's maybe, yeah, lingering,

844
00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:26.920
it's just some Oh my gosh. Can you imagine if

845
00:51:26.960 --> 00:51:30.360
that was like their first dance and they met that

846
00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:33.760
night and then we're together forever and ever and their

847
00:51:33.800 --> 00:51:36.360
souls were always just doing the jitterbug on the night

848
00:51:36.440 --> 00:51:41.559
that sum Oh my god. Oh that's giving me such chills.

849
00:51:42.239 --> 00:51:43.559
That's so see.

850
00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:50.519
Okay, that ghost experience, even I would be okay.

851
00:51:50.400 --> 00:51:56.159
Okay, jitterbug and couples, we can handle that. Yeah, Although,

852
00:51:56.840 --> 00:51:59.480
to be honest with you, if I were to see

853
00:51:59.480 --> 00:52:03.199
a couple doing the jitterbug, I'm not sure I would

854
00:52:03.360 --> 00:52:05.880
know that they were doing the jitterbug. I would probably

855
00:52:05.880 --> 00:52:08.360
be like, oh my god, like, are they okay? Are

856
00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:12.559
are they possessed? Like what? Because isn't the jitterbug like

857
00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:13.159
kind of crazy?

858
00:52:13.880 --> 00:52:17.360
I'm trying to picture? Okay, Well, I'm gonna look because

859
00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:22.840
I know I know what it looks like, but I

860
00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:27.320
can't picture it. You're gonna die. This reminds me of

861
00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:29.400
doing like swing dance in like.

862
00:52:29.880 --> 00:52:36.239
Oh yeah, I love her hair, I know, Okay, maybe

863
00:52:36.239 --> 00:52:38.840
I wouldn't. I would probably think that they were swing dancing,

864
00:52:38.840 --> 00:52:40.840
though I don't know if I wouldn't know specifically it

865
00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:43.159
was the jitterbug, but yeah, I would know that they

866
00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:46.000
were dancing. Okay. For some reason, I was thinking it

867
00:52:46.039 --> 00:52:50.440
was like a little more crazy. Yeah, okay, we have

868
00:52:50.519 --> 00:52:52.360
a couple more ghosty things to talk about. I know

869
00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:54.800
you're trying to get out of it, but it's not happening.

870
00:52:55.840 --> 00:52:58.840
Well, listen, it's just because now that we've talked about

871
00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:02.039
the jitterbug and possibly having to learn the routine for

872
00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:09.679
my recently established wedding party reunion, I just feel like

873
00:53:09.800 --> 00:53:12.800
I need some time to work on the choreography.

874
00:53:13.159 --> 00:53:13.320
You know.

875
00:53:13.719 --> 00:53:18.559
It's okay, So people also hear the sounds of like

876
00:53:18.599 --> 00:53:22.239
what sounds like a bunch of people dancing and mingling voices,

877
00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:25.239
kind of just like having a party, but the place

878
00:53:25.320 --> 00:53:29.360
is empty of guests. Okay, Well, that I don't care

879
00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:32.239
for as much, and that's not as cute. I think.

880
00:53:32.239 --> 00:53:34.719
It's still it's still cute. It's still reminds me of

881
00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:36.719
like good energy, good energy happening.

882
00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:40.159
Yeah, that seems like good energy, but I still that

883
00:53:40.199 --> 00:53:41.039
would freak me out.

884
00:53:41.519 --> 00:53:48.000
This one will be your least favorite, okay, right, one

885
00:53:48.119 --> 00:53:52.239
night after a performance, a staff member heard a child's laughter,

886
00:53:54.159 --> 00:53:56.400
and when he went to figure out where it came from,

887
00:53:57.440 --> 00:54:02.119
something tugged on his shirt. No, why the tugging, I know,

888
00:54:02.239 --> 00:54:04.280
And I don't know if like the tugging other people

889
00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:08.280
are experiencing, is the same entity or not, or if

890
00:54:08.280 --> 00:54:10.719
it's different tugging. I'm not really sure, but I kind

891
00:54:10.719 --> 00:54:12.400
of feel like it might be just like the same

892
00:54:13.639 --> 00:54:18.360
child spirit almost uh. When he turned around when he

893
00:54:18.400 --> 00:54:21.800
felt this tugging, and he did see a child, but

894
00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:25.199
probably before he could get too confused about why a

895
00:54:25.280 --> 00:54:28.039
child would be there. Yeah, that late at night after

896
00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:31.800
a performance, it just disappeared. So there's a lot of

897
00:54:31.840 --> 00:54:34.599
that happening. Is seeing something only to have it just

898
00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:39.280
vanish in front of your eyes. Okay, listen.

899
00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:45.000
The only time when a child disappearing was the one

900
00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:50.440
scene in like Back to the Future where the pictures

901
00:54:50.519 --> 00:54:52.360
they start disappearing from them.

902
00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:55.679
Oh yeah, ooh, but.

903
00:54:55.719 --> 00:54:58.760
Even that, honestly, No, also that I'm not okay with that.

904
00:54:59.000 --> 00:54:59.960
I was deeply trouble.

905
00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:04.639
Okay, none of it's okay. No child can disappear ever,

906
00:55:05.320 --> 00:55:09.280
no pleason, thank you. No, it's not good. I don't

907
00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:11.400
like it. But like unless it's a ghost child, but

908
00:55:11.440 --> 00:55:13.679
I feel like you would like that you need or

909
00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:14.960
do you need them to be visible?

910
00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:18.079
I do need them to be visible because I know

911
00:55:18.159 --> 00:55:22.840
they're still, you know, doing little child things.

912
00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:31.320
Tugging on your shirt. Oh mapma, Oh my god. That

913
00:55:31.519 --> 00:55:33.679
is kind of sad though, Like what if she's just

914
00:55:33.960 --> 00:55:35.280
well I don't know if it's a girl child or

915
00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:37.280
a boy child, but what if they're just like wandering

916
00:55:37.280 --> 00:55:39.440
around kind of like tugging at people to get them

917
00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:42.199
to turn so he can like see if it's their

918
00:55:42.280 --> 00:55:42.880
parents or not.

919
00:55:43.079 --> 00:55:46.800
Oh oh, that's so sad. That makes it so much worer.

920
00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:51.039
Sorry, that didn't make it a lot worse. Yeah, Okay,

921
00:55:51.079 --> 00:55:53.000
I hope it's just like a little trickster kid who's

922
00:55:53.079 --> 00:55:56.960
just who knows what it's doing and it's causing mischief. Yes,

923
00:55:57.320 --> 00:55:57.719
I want to.

924
00:55:57.840 --> 00:56:01.000
I want to just pretend it's just some fucking punk kid,

925
00:56:01.599 --> 00:56:06.480
you know, yeah, just runder around being a little nuisance.

926
00:56:06.679 --> 00:56:09.840
Not a sad kid searching for its parents. That's that's.

927
00:56:12.079 --> 00:56:16.519
Oh well, that's my thing. Can I send you a

928
00:56:16.519 --> 00:56:20.400
picture in here? Yeah, in the chat? Yeah, it's an

929
00:56:20.440 --> 00:56:25.039
old picture of the building. Oh and then oh you

930
00:56:25.159 --> 00:56:28.039
can see that it says Cotillion Hall on one side

931
00:56:28.159 --> 00:56:31.960
and then Wringlers Dancing Academy on the other side, so

932
00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:37.480
he was also like a dance instructor. Also downstairs is M.

933
00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:43.199
Kraken motor Co. Oh yeah, and that's like kind of

934
00:56:43.239 --> 00:56:45.360
I think that's like where the bar is now. I

935
00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:49.679
feel like I yeah, which is interesting because like it's

936
00:56:49.719 --> 00:56:52.800
like a car theme because the Crystal Hotel also used

937
00:56:52.800 --> 00:56:54.960
to be like a car place on the bottom floor,

938
00:56:55.480 --> 00:56:58.119
and the Wringler's annex was like a tire place. I

939
00:56:58.119 --> 00:57:02.800
feel like that was so common. Yeah, yeah, interesting. Yeah, anyway,

940
00:57:02.840 --> 00:57:06.639
that was kind of the only picture I had. Yeah,

941
00:57:06.800 --> 00:57:09.559
that was the only picture I brought. Since you've been there,

942
00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:11.679
you know what it looks like on the inside, I

943
00:57:11.760 --> 00:57:15.880
sure do. Well, should we do some taro for the

944
00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:23.440
Crystal ball room some Tarrant balls room? Well, do you

945
00:57:23.480 --> 00:57:26.960
want to do the cute ghost poll for me? Oh

946
00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:31.400
my god, I really like feel like that's the one. Okay,

947
00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:34.639
all right, all right, all right, I'm gonna light my

948
00:57:34.719 --> 00:57:41.800
candle over here, open the doorway. Ooh, that was a

949
00:57:41.800 --> 00:57:45.840
good shuffle. Okay, I need the vibes. I'm gonna grab

950
00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:46.199
my book.

951
00:57:46.320 --> 00:57:56.679
So vibes, vibes, crystal ballroom vibes, Wringler, Lola, Daddy Watson.

952
00:57:58.360 --> 00:58:05.679
You okay, i'm as spread, I'm asa spread the dick

953
00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:06.559
spread it.

954
00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:10.440
Where where am I? What am I feeling? Kind of

955
00:58:10.440 --> 00:58:16.119
like under your hustle, under the hustle side of your shirt? Wow? Okay,

956
00:58:17.239 --> 00:58:19.800
all right? Is that not what you were feeling? No?

957
00:58:20.000 --> 00:58:26.440
It is ooh okay. The nine of coins, nine of coins,

958
00:58:26.559 --> 00:58:30.920
nine of pentacles. But I drew it in reverse. Oh okay, okay.

959
00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:38.159
So our keywords are abundance, material, well being, security, comfort,

960
00:58:38.679 --> 00:58:44.079
and success. Some decks, including the Aquarian and the writer

961
00:58:44.239 --> 00:58:47.599
Waite Smith Taro, depict a woman with a beautiful bird

962
00:58:48.079 --> 00:58:53.480
standing in a vineyard. Oh that is so weird. Just okay.

963
00:58:53.599 --> 00:58:58.000
So learning about Lola, her grandchildren showed a picture of

964
00:58:58.039 --> 00:58:59.280
her and like her bird.

965
00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:04.440
Oh okay, that's interesting.

966
00:59:05.199 --> 00:59:08.559
And she was like kind of outdoorsy too, that is

967
00:59:08.679 --> 00:59:13.960
very cool. Okay. The ripe fruit symbolizes a period of

968
00:59:14.039 --> 00:59:19.760
plenty and accomplishment. It's time to harvest your crop or

969
00:59:19.800 --> 00:59:25.079
brew your bear. The nine of pentacles reversed may mean

970
00:59:25.360 --> 00:59:31.360
you depend on someone else financially interesting, although your situation

971
00:59:31.599 --> 00:59:35.440
may be comfortable in the material sense, you feel trapped

972
00:59:35.880 --> 00:59:39.639
or bored. Oh that big reminds me of like the

973
00:59:39.719 --> 00:59:42.480
Katilion Hall where it was like really profitable. But then

974
00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:45.280
he started playing jazz music. So I felt like he

975
00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:47.679
was feeling like trapped and bored and like, ah, I'm

976
00:59:47.719 --> 00:59:50.599
sick of this fucking cotilions. Yeah.

977
00:59:50.800 --> 00:59:55.599
Yeah, like something that you just like don't feel passionate. Yeah, yeah,

978
00:59:55.639 --> 01:00:00.079
that's needed some spice in his life. Yeah, he got it,

979
01:00:01.400 --> 01:00:05.960
boy did he. You'd like to get away, spread your wings,

980
01:00:06.400 --> 01:00:10.719
but responsibilities hold you back. Perhaps you don't feel satisfied

981
01:00:10.760 --> 01:00:14.119
with your success or don't feel you deserve it.

982
01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:18.920
Oh that's interesting, but he like kept trying and trying,

983
01:00:19.039 --> 01:00:23.760
you know. Yeah, Oh this is interesting. Okay.

984
01:00:24.320 --> 01:00:28.039
In a reading about money, the reverse nine may indicate

985
01:00:28.159 --> 01:00:33.760
squandering money or losing property. Oh okay, perhaps do it

986
01:00:33.800 --> 01:00:37.519
with theft, damage or deception?

987
01:00:38.079 --> 01:00:43.000
Oh maybe deception, because I know I don't even think

988
01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:47.159
we kind of brush the surface of what Montrose Wrangler

989
01:00:47.400 --> 01:00:49.440
was doing. I know there was a lot of other

990
01:00:49.719 --> 01:00:54.880
shady shenanigans going on, so yeah, deception could be a

991
01:00:54.920 --> 01:00:55.599
huge part of that.

992
01:00:56.239 --> 01:01:03.119
Yeah, if you're purchasing or selling property, this card recommends caution.

993
01:01:04.440 --> 01:01:10.480
He sold it to the countryman. Caution, caution, save us all.

994
01:01:11.639 --> 01:01:14.440
If the reading is about your job, this card can

995
01:01:14.559 --> 01:01:17.800
signify boredom or a lack of freedom in your work.

996
01:01:18.559 --> 01:01:21.840
Perhaps you feel you should have accomplished more or achieved

997
01:01:21.880 --> 01:01:25.280
a higher position by now. You may long for a

998
01:01:25.400 --> 01:01:31.159
vacation or retirement, but can't afford to leave your job.

999
01:01:31.880 --> 01:01:34.639
Well, it got he kind of got a forced yeah,

1000
01:01:34.920 --> 01:01:39.519
forced retirement there. I hope he sold it for enough

1001
01:01:39.559 --> 01:01:41.480
that he could well. I mean, I don't know if

1002
01:01:41.480 --> 01:01:43.760
he was like a good dude truly or not, but

1003
01:01:44.360 --> 01:01:46.039
I hope he sold it for enough where he could

1004
01:01:46.119 --> 01:01:48.880
just go, like live the rest of his life or

1005
01:01:49.400 --> 01:01:52.199
whatever you wanted to do. I don't know. Yeah, go

1006
01:01:52.280 --> 01:01:53.760
fly and be free. Wrangler.

1007
01:01:55.599 --> 01:02:00.000
In a reading about love, you may feel stifled or disenchanted.

1008
01:02:00.239 --> 01:02:04.840
In a relationship. The reverse nine can symbolize a partnership

1009
01:02:05.119 --> 01:02:10.159
based on money and or security that lacks excitement or romance.

1010
01:02:10.920 --> 01:02:15.840
It can also suggest lack of independence or equality. One

1011
01:02:15.920 --> 01:02:20.000
person holds the reins. What if that's like the relationship

1012
01:02:20.039 --> 01:02:25.440
between Lola and Montrose. One of them clearly has more power,

1013
01:02:25.480 --> 01:02:27.480
one of them has a badge and one of them

1014
01:02:27.559 --> 01:02:34.199
is going to get their fucking way. Maybe I know

1015
01:02:34.239 --> 01:02:37.480
it's not like a romantic relationship, but definitely there was

1016
01:02:37.519 --> 01:02:41.920
a power struggle. I mean there was there was something

1017
01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:47.239
going on here. Maybe she like hate loved him, you know,

1018
01:02:48.559 --> 01:02:53.880
like secretly loved him, hated him. That's actually kind of

1019
01:02:53.920 --> 01:02:57.360
an interesting thought. But she was like from what the

1020
01:02:57.440 --> 01:03:01.039
grand kids say, her and her husband were like very much,

1021
01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:05.000
you know, in love and together and always doing things together.

1022
01:03:05.079 --> 01:03:09.440
So who knows. I don't know. A woman's heart is

1023
01:03:09.480 --> 01:03:15.400
an ocean of secrets. Uh, bring it back to Titanic.

1024
01:03:15.519 --> 01:03:18.960
I was just gonna say it all circles back. It does.

1025
01:03:19.199 --> 01:03:21.880
Can I see the card one more time, just to

1026
01:03:21.920 --> 01:03:26.480
see the colors and things? Oh? Is it like roses

1027
01:03:26.519 --> 01:03:29.320
in the background or is it just like red? No?

1028
01:03:29.480 --> 01:03:35.199
I think that is supposed to be roses, Oh like Portland, Like, yeah, roses,

1029
01:03:37.679 --> 01:03:41.960
look at us. Who. It's funny because I like brought

1030
01:03:42.039 --> 01:03:46.519
up like the rose parade and stuff too. Yeah, ooh,

1031
01:03:48.119 --> 01:03:51.800
you went onto something. I wonder if Lola had roses

1032
01:03:51.840 --> 01:03:54.440
because I'm pretty sure she was like a gardener, like

1033
01:03:54.480 --> 01:03:58.400
a big gardener. Oh, from what I remember in the video,

1034
01:03:59.079 --> 01:04:05.880
So interesting about the bird too, Like, how random is that? Yeah, yeah,

1035
01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:09.840
that is Yeah, well you'll have to watch the video.

1036
01:04:09.920 --> 01:04:12.599
Maybe not like watch the whole thing, but yeah, because

1037
01:04:12.599 --> 01:04:14.519
it's like an hour long, but it is. I was.

1038
01:04:14.760 --> 01:04:17.159
I watched it. I was like intrigued at what they were.

1039
01:04:17.320 --> 01:04:19.760
I was gonna say an hour, like that's not that long,

1040
01:04:19.880 --> 01:04:24.000
Like I'm curious. Yeah, it's really cool that that mcmenimums

1041
01:04:24.039 --> 01:04:27.440
does those kind of like historical presentation things. I don't

1042
01:04:27.440 --> 01:04:31.840
think I knew that they they have like their own historian.

1043
01:04:31.960 --> 01:04:35.639
That's really cool. That is really cool. Maybe we'll have

1044
01:04:35.679 --> 01:04:39.639
to see if you can find their historian nowadays and

1045
01:04:39.719 --> 01:04:43.599
maybe have them on the show. That would be so cool.

1046
01:04:44.079 --> 01:04:47.880
Come on the show. Tell us about minimums histories. Are

1047
01:04:47.960 --> 01:04:55.280
you the mcmenimon's historian? Am I the mcmenimum's historian. I

1048
01:04:55.280 --> 01:04:59.320
feel like Shay might be the mcminimum's history a little bit.

1049
01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:04.920
Oh my good. Great, Well that's all I have. That's all, folks,

1050
01:05:06.199 --> 01:05:09.679
that's all, folks. Oh you know what we do have

1051
01:05:09.760 --> 01:05:13.719
we do some Patreon shout outs. We've been neglecting. Oh

1052
01:05:13.800 --> 01:05:16.639
no we do, yeah, we do. Because if you guys

1053
01:05:16.840 --> 01:05:19.920
didn't know, we are still dropping. We're going to be

1054
01:05:20.000 --> 01:05:24.280
dropping some like bonuses for Patreon. So maybe some of

1055
01:05:24.320 --> 01:05:27.360
the weeks that we are having other people fill our

1056
01:05:27.559 --> 01:05:31.440
spot with their show. If you still want mo of us,

1057
01:05:31.599 --> 01:05:32.599
maybe join the Patreon.

1058
01:05:32.679 --> 01:05:33.039
I don't know.

1059
01:05:34.719 --> 01:05:37.679
So we have some Patreon shout outs to do. We

1060
01:05:37.800 --> 01:05:42.320
have four from the Creepy People tiers. Oh goodness, one

1061
01:05:42.400 --> 01:05:49.960
dollar tier. We have Pascal is it Pedro? Is it Pedro? Pascal?

1062
01:05:50.159 --> 01:05:54.800
We don't know? Hey, I mean i'd like to think so,

1063
01:05:55.159 --> 01:05:57.559
I you know, we'll just go with it. And then

1064
01:05:57.639 --> 01:06:05.079
we have Suzanne Susan Jay ten twelve. Hello, I like

1065
01:06:05.159 --> 01:06:08.840
your name. Are you actually named Jay ten twelve? Did you?

1066
01:06:09.159 --> 01:06:11.920
I feel like I have questions about that? That's all

1067
01:06:12.000 --> 01:06:16.280
sing Suzanne. Are we talking summers like I could be?

1068
01:06:16.360 --> 01:06:18.639
I got a lot of follow up questions about these.

1069
01:06:18.880 --> 01:06:21.800
We'll talk to them on Patreon. We'll figure it out, okay.

1070
01:06:22.360 --> 01:06:25.960
And then we also have I believe another podcast, Beneath

1071
01:06:26.000 --> 01:06:28.840
the Rain Shadow b TRS.

1072
01:06:29.199 --> 01:06:33.599
Okay, Oh, that's so cool. They joined our Patreon. Thank

1073
01:06:33.639 --> 01:06:36.440
you guys. We'll have to check yours out and see

1074
01:06:36.440 --> 01:06:38.719
what you have to offer. If you have one, let

1075
01:06:38.800 --> 01:06:43.719
us know. We also have a new inductee to the

1076
01:06:44.119 --> 01:06:47.079
Terror biddy Patreon subscriber level.

1077
01:06:47.440 --> 01:06:50.639
I never know exactly what to say because I feel, yeah,

1078
01:06:50.719 --> 01:06:53.920
I feel like everybody struggles with the are you a

1079
01:06:53.960 --> 01:06:58.199
patron a Patreon you're a Patreon subscriber?

1080
01:06:58.320 --> 01:07:01.400
What are you? What do we call you? You're a

1081
01:07:01.480 --> 01:07:03.840
tarot biddy. She's a tarot biddy, That's what we call you.

1082
01:07:04.880 --> 01:07:09.840
Welcome Sam, Hey, Sam, Sam, thanks for joining.

1083
01:07:09.920 --> 01:07:12.679
Do you do Taro? Let us know, hi, girl Hu.

1084
01:07:13.360 --> 01:07:18.360
We also have a chat, a group chat, I don't

1085
01:07:18.360 --> 01:07:21.079
know what to call it, a chat on Patreon, and

1086
01:07:21.159 --> 01:07:23.480
I like will add just random photos of like what

1087
01:07:23.559 --> 01:07:26.400
we're doing. Like the other day, I sent a photo

1088
01:07:26.440 --> 01:07:33.239
of the backstage of our crazy setup or travels set

1089
01:07:33.320 --> 01:07:38.079
up that was like on boxes, Like, so if you

1090
01:07:38.199 --> 01:07:39.760
I don't know, if you do, Taro, if you pull

1091
01:07:39.800 --> 01:07:41.079
a card for the day, if you want to like

1092
01:07:41.119 --> 01:07:45.639
share it in there whatever, Oh we'd like to see cool. Yeah.

1093
01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:49.719
I I think you even told me at the time.

1094
01:07:49.840 --> 01:07:51.920
You're like, oh, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna send this

1095
01:07:52.000 --> 01:07:54.599
to the Patreon and I was like, I don't know

1096
01:07:54.639 --> 01:07:56.519
what you mean, and then I forgot about it. But

1097
01:07:56.599 --> 01:07:59.360
now I remember you were saying I sent them. I'm

1098
01:07:59.360 --> 01:08:02.119
gonna send them. It's behind the scenes because it's so.

1099
01:08:01.960 --> 01:08:05.119
Professed, so professional. You guys get to see all of

1100
01:08:05.159 --> 01:08:11.559
the bts, shenanigans, the BTSs. Oh that's fun. We have

1101
01:08:11.679 --> 01:08:16.399
fun here. We have so much fun here. Well, that's

1102
01:08:16.439 --> 01:08:18.680
the end of our phone for the day. That's it.

1103
01:08:20.760 --> 01:08:21.000
True.

1104
01:08:21.079 --> 01:08:24.840
Do thing that we have. Let's do it thing. Have

1105
01:08:24.920 --> 01:08:30.520
a creepy as day. See you next Tuesday. Well someone will,

1106
01:08:30.960 --> 01:08:34.800
I mean maybe some will be there. I'm gonna stop it.

1107
01:08:34.840 --> 01:08:37.159
I mean I didn't wait to b say do we

1108
01:08:37.199 --> 01:08:39.960
need to? Oh? Yeah we did. We did. Never mind

1109
01:08:40.239 --> 01:08:43.960
forget me? You want me to forget you? Okay, forgive

1110
01:08:44.079 --> 01:08:53.079
me too, machine Gun Kelly law Connects. Do you want

1111
01:08:53.079 --> 01:08:57.680
to know where I went for dinner last night? My moments? Yeah?

1112
01:08:57.800 --> 01:09:00.239
But do you want to know which one? The one

1113
01:09:00.600 --> 01:09:04.239
that stotted it all? Is a Barley Corns? Yeah it is.

1114
01:09:04.840 --> 01:09:08.319
You cheated on me at our spot. You didn't take

1115
01:09:08.359 --> 01:09:13.119
me to Barlecorns. What did you get? A Portland dip? Yeah?

1116
01:09:13.159 --> 01:09:18.439
I did? I hate you? Okay, every freaking mcmenimums I've

1117
01:09:18.439 --> 01:09:20.600
been to in the past like two years, I swear

1118
01:09:20.680 --> 01:09:23.079
does not have the Portland Dip and I haven't had

1119
01:09:23.079 --> 01:09:25.319
one in a long time, and I'm dying. Well, I

1120
01:09:25.359 --> 01:09:28.560
mean for Portland. Somebody could have come out here to

1121
01:09:28.640 --> 01:09:32.079
record in person. Do you have some left? I ate

1122
01:09:32.119 --> 01:09:35.439
it for a long Oh. Well, that doesn't help