Neon-lit Nostalgia: Polybius and the Golden Age of Arcades

1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,840 [MUSIC] 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:08,280 You know, urban legends sometimes can just flutter away as times change. 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:12,640 But I love that this one stays in the public consciousness. 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:17,000 And even if you don't know it's there, there's Easter eggs in all kinds of pop culture where 5 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:18,480 Polybius keeps showing up. 6 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:24,320 So it was in the Simpsons, the Goldbergs, 9-inch nails video, less than. 7 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,320 Loki in season one, Polybius was there. 8 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:32,920 It's just going to keep going on, which is fantastic because it keeps arcade in the consciousness. 9 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:39,720 [MUSIC] 10 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:40,840 Hi, Caitlyn. 11 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:41,840 Hi, Cassie. 12 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:43,440 Hi, creepy people. 13 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:44,880 Hello. 14 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:50,360 If you're new to our creepy corner of the world, this is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we chat 15 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:56,520 about true crime, paranormal, and a lot of creepy shit in the Pacific Northwest. 16 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,480 So much creepy shit. 17 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:05,400 We also do a tour reading at the end of every episode for a little bit of deeper insight 18 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,840 into our topic of the day. 19 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:12,560 And you should stick around if you're into that, but I'm going to take off. 20 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:13,440 K-Bye. 21 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,040 Yeah, Caitlyn's not sticking around for this one. 22 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,720 The topic proved just far too terrifying for her to deal with. 23 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:24,040 So yeah, also it wasn't invited. 24 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:25,000 That's not true. 25 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,160 She was invited. 26 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:31,520 She just happens to have a day job during the week, which is the only time our guests could 27 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:32,520 come. 28 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:37,760 So gross, you guys. 29 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:43,120 With indoor weather season, now in full swing, people are most likely looking for a place 30 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:48,120 to have some fun out of the house and also safe from the elements. 31 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,760 And what better way to do that than go to an arcade? 32 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:55,080 Plus it has a bar, so that's like a no brainer, right? 33 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:59,680 So today I'm joined by Shana and Eric from Arcade 2084. http://www.barthattimeforgot.com/ 34 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:00,680 Hello. 35 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:01,680 Nice to be here. 36 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:03,160 Thanks for having us. 37 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:04,160 Yes, of course. 38 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:05,560 I'm so excited. 39 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,760 Can you tell us a little bit about your arcade? 40 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:16,840 Arcade 2084 is what we call a cinema grade recreation of what arcades were really like in 41 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:18,400 the early 80s. 42 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:24,760 This is when video arcades first emerged and became more than a national pastime, but 43 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:32,360 a really global phenomenon that as everybody knows, kicked off video gaming as we know it. 44 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:33,360 Yes. 45 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:39,800 With a full bar and awesome food and cocktails, it's the whole package with awesome music. 46 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,240 It's not just an arcade, it's not just a room with games. 47 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:44,760 It's a full experience. 48 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:45,760 It really is. 49 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:50,200 I've been there and I walked in and I was like, oh my gosh, this is so cool. 50 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:54,800 There's lights everywhere. 51 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:56,280 You got the 80s music and the videos and it's awesome. 52 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:57,280 It's really fun place. 53 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:01,520 It's a real world outside and just have some fun and escape for a while. 54 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,120 Yeah, it's almost like stepping into like a time machine. 55 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,680 It's time travel, for sure. 56 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:11,320 Well that leads me into very well into our topic today. 57 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:15,520 In 1981, arcades were at the height of their popularity. 58 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:20,160 Portland, Oregon was said to have been one of the prime locations for testing new games 59 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:21,640 and have you guys heard that? 60 00:03:21,640 --> 00:03:22,640 Yes. 61 00:03:22,640 --> 00:03:23,640 Okay. 62 00:03:23,640 --> 00:03:25,600 I'm barely an 80s baby. 63 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:29,480 I was 89 so I didn't really get to experience the 80s. 64 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:34,240 I kind of have to live vicariously through things like this and you know, stranger things 65 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:35,240 and everything. 66 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,480 Did you guys get to experience the 80s? 67 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:38,480 Indeed. 68 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:43,560 And that's part of why this place is here because a lot of people missed it. 69 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:50,880 I was a teenager every year of the 80s and going to these places was something I could do 70 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:56,720 no matter what town I found myself in because I moved around a lot, a lot of kids do. 71 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:03,280 And this is where we all could meet new friends and old friends and everybody got together 72 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,000 there across all social and economic strata. 73 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:07,720 It was a really special time. 74 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:14,320 He was a teenager, I'm a few years younger but yet I was there and as an only child it 75 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:18,000 was great to be able to always have some place to go where there were people like to hang 76 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:19,000 out with. 77 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:20,160 Oh yeah, that is great. 78 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,320 I didn't even think about that. 79 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:23,320 And teenager. 80 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:27,320 So as the under kid I'm like, "Ooh, I'm with the cool older kids." 81 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:28,320 Yeah. 82 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,560 Did you guys have like competitions? 83 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,160 I don't know what is it, the high score. 84 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:39,680 I know there's less competitions and more sort of just boasting rights. 85 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:45,360 You got to put your initials in and maybe somebody would see that and you'd have a bit 86 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:46,360 of no to write. 87 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:47,360 Nice. 88 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:52,080 Or somebody would be having a really good game and people would just start to gather around 89 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:56,120 and watch and you'd see like, "What's going on over there?" 90 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,160 And then the crowd just gets bigger and bigger and... 91 00:04:58,160 --> 00:04:59,360 Oh, that is so cool. 92 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,160 A lot of camaraderie. 93 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:02,400 And we still see that happen. 94 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:03,400 It's really wonderful. 95 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:04,400 Oh, good. 96 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:05,400 I love that. 97 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,400 Do you guys get pretty packed on like the weekends? 98 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:14,400 Well, I don't know about packed, but you know, we got a healthy steady crowd all day long. 99 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,680 And it's never really, you know, sort of butt to butt there. 100 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:20,440 Well, that's good. 101 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,680 You don't want it over stuff, right? 102 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:28,440 Our kids, you know, there's a lot of reputation for being like hot and dirty and crowded. 103 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:35,040 And we are nice and cool and clean and not so crowded. 104 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,720 So let's get on with our topic for today. 105 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:39,600 It's going to be really fun. 106 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:47,480 So it was in this year that I just mentioned, 1981, that black, unmarked cabinets would pop 107 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:51,920 up in several arcades in the city and surrounding areas. 108 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,880 This mysterious game is known as... 109 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:55,880 Polybius. 110 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,400 I feel like I should have done like an echo. 111 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:05,400 So I've heard Beaverton specifically. 112 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:10,280 I didn't end up coming across it again in my notes or in my research. 113 00:06:10,280 --> 00:06:12,520 I don't know where I heard. 114 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:13,520 It was in Beaverton. 115 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,840 Have you guys heard a specific town? 116 00:06:15,840 --> 00:06:16,840 No, same. 117 00:06:16,840 --> 00:06:21,160 When I looked into this in the past, I remember seeing Beaverton specifically. 118 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:26,560 But when I brushed up on my research yesterday, I only saw Portland and surrounding suburbs. 119 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:27,560 Right. 120 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,080 Okay, so it's not just me. 121 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:36,920 It's just the whole urban legend, the detail seemed to change like that and it just keeps 122 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:37,920 it going. 123 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:38,920 What's true? 124 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:39,920 What's that through? 125 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:41,760 Yeah, it's really weird. 126 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:47,120 Because when I was diving into it, I was kind of on the other side of it, like, oh, it 127 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,200 probably wasn't real. 128 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:54,760 But then getting into it, I was like, no, because I just experienced the same kind of Mandela 129 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,520 effect thing where the details are changed. 130 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:01,440 So now I'm just all confused. 131 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:06,000 The mystery doesn't end with an unmarked cabinet though. 132 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:13,200 Symptoms of playing this game or sickness, nightmares, memory loss and behavioral changes. 133 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:17,400 No one knows what about the game caused these symptoms. 134 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:23,040 But some fan-made games of what they think the gameplay was like seemed to indicate it was 135 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:29,800 a mix of optical illusions and visual and audio subliminal messaging. 136 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:34,440 So did you guys ever come across any Polybius cabinets? 137 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:38,200 I have a supplier that has the Polybius cabinet in his warehouse. 138 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:39,200 Oh my gosh. 139 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:40,200 Is it okay? 140 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,200 Is it a real one or is it a fan-made? 141 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:43,880 Well, that's a big question. 142 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:44,880 That is the question, isn't it? 143 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,080 I mean, of course, it's a mock-up. 144 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:49,480 You know, I happen to know that. 145 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:54,920 It depends on one's credibility when one tells you something, right? 146 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:55,920 Right, yeah. 147 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,640 Well, are you just going to believe that? 148 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:00,120 This is a legend. 149 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:01,120 Yes. 150 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:05,400 And there's no real substantive evidence to support it, but it is fun. 151 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:11,400 And there's a lot of mock-up cabinets that make people wonder, well, was that really a 152 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,680 real one or is it just a mock-up? 153 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:14,680 Yeah. 154 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,360 It's so freaking mysterious. 155 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,760 So have you played this one? 156 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:20,760 No. 157 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:21,760 No. 158 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:22,760 I have not. 159 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:23,760 I don't know that it's playable, really. 160 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,360 I know that he's used it in his own productions. 161 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:27,360 Okay. 162 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:32,760 Because that's one of the big things is no one really knows what the gameplay was like. 163 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:33,760 Right. 164 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:38,440 People have kind of speculated that it was sort of like tempest, which I don't know. 165 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,760 I don't have any idea what that is. 166 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,800 Can you guys describe the gameplay for that? 167 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:47,960 Well, tempest is one of the greatest hits of all time and you're probably going to want 168 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,320 to edit that out that you've never played it. 169 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:55,120 I might have played it at some point, but I don't remember. 170 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:59,920 Arcade 2084, almost any other arcade worth its salt. 171 00:08:59,920 --> 00:09:03,400 And tempest will be there, usually an upright form factor. 172 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:04,880 We have a cocktail table version. 173 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,040 And I'll tell you in a minute why I chose that. 174 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:13,720 The author of tempest wanted to create space innovators like Game. 175 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,160 Space innovators have been such a huge hit. 176 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:22,240 But he wanted to create sort of a 3D version where the aliens come toward you. 177 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,640 And I think he did a great job. 178 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:33,680 The game has this sort of 3D effect in suggestion, but it's a vector scan game. 179 00:09:33,680 --> 00:09:39,720 It's obvious to be a vector scan game and ours is in cocktail table form factor. 180 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:44,320 So the bad guys seem to come up from underneath the table at you. 181 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,760 It's really a beautiful game to play. 182 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,800 And Shana did a little something. 183 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,360 She understands something about tempest and why. 184 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,240 It may have been confused for Polybius. 185 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,680 Yeah, so a couple of things about the gameplay. 186 00:09:56,680 --> 00:10:00,000 Well, we'll stick with tempest for a second. 187 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:06,480 The tempest, your ship moves around a field. 188 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:13,200 And the original version of it, your ship was stationary in the field itself moved. 189 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,280 And that was causing nausea and vertigo. 190 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:17,520 I could see that. 191 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:18,520 Right. 192 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:20,360 And so they changed it to what it is now. 193 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:26,360 So if anybody had played those, there was this conception that arcade games can make 194 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:27,360 you sick. 195 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,320 I think you nauseous and all that. 196 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:35,760 And then the people who have actually claimed to have played Polybius describe it as a combination 197 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:41,400 of tempest and Gallagher, puzzle and shooter game where the moving ship rotates around the 198 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:45,320 screen, shooting at objects. 199 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:50,880 And each level gets harder with distracting backgrounds and wildly spinning graphics that 200 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,600 were brightly colored with these moving hypnotic backgrounds. 201 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:55,600 So that was whoo. 202 00:10:55,600 --> 00:11:04,000 A people who have tried the gameplay of Polybius, which is eerily similar to a game called 203 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:09,320 cube quest, which you know, you can, you can do the images of that. 204 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,520 And it looks almost exactly like what people describe Polybius as. 205 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,680 There's even like these spinning skulls coming at you at the very first level. 206 00:11:15,680 --> 00:11:16,680 Oh my gosh. 207 00:11:16,680 --> 00:11:18,040 Well, that sounds fun. 208 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,160 And that was a game that was a laser disk game. 209 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:24,480 So it's like seed, they were like CDs, but they were giant because they were video, but 210 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:28,440 they were like a record album with the shiny stuff like a CD. 211 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:30,800 And they, it was a new technology. 212 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:32,480 It broke a lot. 213 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:37,560 So no, that's what show up in arcades break often. 214 00:11:37,560 --> 00:11:41,720 And then the operators of the arcade would say get this machine out of here. 215 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:47,080 So those machines would come and go pretty quickly with this same kind of gameplay. 216 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:53,680 So I suspect that people who think they played polyveas actually played cube quest. 217 00:11:53,680 --> 00:12:00,880 How, I just, Polybius is such a random, very memorable name too. 218 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:06,000 So I'm kind of wondering how that possibly could have got confused. 219 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,520 Turns out that it's not so random. 220 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:09,920 Oh, it's not. 221 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:10,920 Okay. 222 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:15,880 Polybius was the name of a Greek, let's see, in the five minutes, here's I get it right. 223 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:16,880 Philosopher. 224 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:17,880 Weren't all Greeks. 225 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:18,880 Philosophers? 226 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:19,880 No, it's a Greek historian. 227 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,880 So it's a Greek historian born in Arcadia. 228 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:23,880 Oh, okay. 229 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,520 That's a little convenient. 230 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:28,520 Yes. 231 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:33,880 And he was known, it was historian that was known for relying on firsthand accounts. 232 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:39,360 Asserting that historians should never report what cannot be verified through an interview 233 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:40,720 with eyewitnesses. 234 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:41,720 So. 235 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:42,720 Yes. 236 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:43,720 Wow. 237 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:47,560 It's almost like someone kind of planned this out here. 238 00:12:47,560 --> 00:12:48,560 Right. 239 00:12:48,560 --> 00:12:53,360 Because that's connected a little too easily. 240 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:59,040 So I heard, so we kind of talked about the optical illusion effect of the game, but I've 241 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:04,360 also heard that it has video and audio subliminal messaging in it. 242 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,280 Have you ever heard any of that? 243 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:07,280 I hadn't heard that. 244 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:11,880 I had heard the subliminal messages, but, you know, I don't know. 245 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:12,880 It doesn't work. 246 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,800 Yeah, I think it's, it's one of those things where they were trying to relate it to a government 247 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:23,680 conspiracy, government mind control, like the MK Ultra type of thing. 248 00:13:23,680 --> 00:13:27,520 So I think it kind of just all got mishmashed into the story. 249 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:28,520 Yeah. 250 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,440 So my theory and the whole thing like how it began. 251 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:37,640 So yeah, in 1981, there was two players that got sick at the same arcade on the same day. 252 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:41,320 One of them ended up with a migraine after playing tempest. 253 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,040 Now remember, these games were brand new. 254 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,200 The flashing lights and the moving lights and everything. 255 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,440 We hadn't experienced that really as humans. 256 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:49,440 Yeah. 257 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:55,560 And people that might have had photo sensitive issues with lights and flashing lights, you 258 00:13:55,560 --> 00:13:56,880 know, might get headaches or whatever. 259 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,680 So the one kid collapsed from a migraine. 260 00:13:59,680 --> 00:14:06,600 The other kid was trying to break a world record and would plan asteroids for 28 hours straight. 261 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:07,600 Oh my God. 262 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:12,640 He got sick and had to step away, but he'd also been drinking like tons of coke the whole 263 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:13,640 time. 264 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:14,640 So, yeah. 265 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,720 I can't imagine why he got sick. 266 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:18,720 Right. 267 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:23,240 So these two kids get sick at this arcade and Eugene and on the same day. 268 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:30,400 And then around that same time, there were arcade operators in Portland who were fixing machines 269 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:31,880 for gambling. 270 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:32,880 Yes. 271 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:36,080 No, exactly how it worked, but there were counters that were added. 272 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,640 And so federal agents were in town. 273 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:43,720 The FBI was in town, go into these different arcades, taking photos, opening up the back of 274 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:46,320 machines, looking for illegal counters. 275 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:51,840 And then, you know, a week or so after that, the feds came in and they did a raid for some 276 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:53,000 of this illegal gambling. 277 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,880 So you got some kids that got sick in an arcade and you jean. 278 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:02,800 And then in Portland, guys and suits were showing up, poking around these machines and then 279 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:04,200 moving in black. 280 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:05,520 Exactly. 281 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:10,560 And so, you know, this was before the internet, before really quick communication among people. 282 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:14,520 And it just seems to me that those two events happening right around the same time was just 283 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,000 right for an ordeal agent. 284 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:17,000 Yeah. 285 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,000 The telephone. 286 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:19,000 I agree. 287 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:20,000 Yeah. 288 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:21,360 So it's like the telephone effect, like the game of telephone. 289 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:22,360 It changes slightly. 290 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:28,680 It gets a little more exciting or dramatic as you tell the next person and the next person 291 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:29,680 tells the next person. 292 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:31,000 Oh my god, this is pride. 293 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,480 It's like, now you're on the cake, you know? 294 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:40,120 So I also did see that there was on some games, I don't know how long it was for, I don't 295 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:46,400 know if it was on every game, but there was an FBI message that would pop up on the screen 296 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,560 saying winners don't use drugs. 297 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:49,560 Yes. 298 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:50,560 Yes. 299 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:51,560 That came along. 300 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:58,160 I think in the late 80s might have been primarily 90s if it didn't start in the 90s. 301 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:02,080 No, I think it probably started in the 80s as part of like the dare campaign. 302 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:03,080 Yeah. 303 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:07,200 To get kids not to use drugs and you know, kids were in front of these games. 304 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:11,040 So they put the message in the games knowing, you know, their target audience was there. 305 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:12,560 Back into the Reagan administration. 306 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:13,560 Yeah. 307 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:14,560 Right. 308 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:18,920 And then that would, you know, that put the government logo and all these kids' heads as 309 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:20,720 they're playing arcade games. 310 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:25,720 So it's even more of a link to this government conspiracy type of thing. 311 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:26,720 Right. 312 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:32,200 And in addition, in the day, and they don't do this anymore on DVDs, but you get a VHS tape. 313 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:37,600 And at the beginning of every movie was an FBI warning about copywriting and copying 314 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:38,920 the tape and selling it. 315 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,160 And you can be fine and you can go to jail. 316 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:47,520 So the connection of FBI and media was already there. 317 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:48,520 Yeah. 318 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:53,000 I mean, after, you know, arcade games have become so huge. 319 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,000 There are these knockoffs, these clones. 320 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:59,640 And you'd find these, you know, it wasn't quite Donkey Kong or it wasn't really Pac-Man 321 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:00,640 in a lot of arcades. 322 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:06,580 And so there were people, you know, the right soldiers were losing out on money and the FBI 323 00:17:06,580 --> 00:17:11,680 understood the importance of cracking down on counterfeit intellectual property. 324 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:18,320 And that had everything to do with, you know, the rise in those warnings on arcade machines 325 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:19,320 right in the software. 326 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,880 You know, don't, you know, you're not allowed to copy this if you're playing this outside 327 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:24,880 of Japan, yada yada. 328 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:25,880 You know, it's wrong. 329 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:32,400 And so it really, yeah, it helps to feed in and that coincidental moment to the urban legend. 330 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:33,400 Yeah. 331 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:35,800 Any good urban legends got these kernels of truth. 332 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:36,800 Mm-hmm. 333 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,200 Just enough to make you go, is it true? 334 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,320 I don't know. 335 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:48,360 Just enough because I did also find that there was an 18 year old named Peter Berkowski that 336 00:17:48,360 --> 00:17:52,600 passed away from a heart attack while playing the game Berserk. 337 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:56,720 But that was not a direct result of the game itself. 338 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:02,960 It was stress put on someone who already had an underlying heart condition, unfortunately. 339 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,560 Like you said earlier, there wasn't a lot, these were new. 340 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:11,000 So they weren't really aware that that might, you know, cause stress on your body enough 341 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:15,360 to cause a heart attack or a seizure with the flashing lights. 342 00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:20,640 So that's very sad and unfortunate, but it was not a direct result of the game. 343 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:22,520 And it wasn't Polybius either. 344 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:27,240 It was at an arcade, so, yeah. 345 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,120 Gosh, that would be just awful. 346 00:18:30,120 --> 00:18:31,960 Polybius is innocent. 347 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,680 I agree. 348 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,320 I did watch the documentary on YouTube. 349 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,080 Did you guys watch that one? 350 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,440 I think we've seen it a while ago. 351 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:48,640 They had someone made, you know, a mock up of Polybius that had all of the crazy visual optical 352 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,200 illusions and the subliminal messaging. 353 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:57,920 And this guy kind of took it apart to let you see the words that were popping up and hear 354 00:18:57,920 --> 00:18:58,920 it. 355 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:00,920 And it was like breathing and like creepy words. 356 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:05,920 It was like, if that was in a real game, that would be really terrifying. 357 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:06,920 Right. 358 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,760 Do you know of any other games like this? 359 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:17,280 Well, we've mentioned, you know how there are some games which may lend to what Polybius 360 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:25,400 gets described as tempest and some other laser disk games where the laser disk footage isn't 361 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:26,720 directly controllable. 362 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:27,960 You don't interact with that. 363 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,760 It more overlays or underlays the gameplay. 364 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,800 Dragon slayer, space age. 365 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,560 But none are like Polybius exactly. 366 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:42,400 You'd have to combine, like I say, a few different games. 367 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:48,760 But there have been games, you know, and again, this helps feed the urban legend. 368 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:54,240 They're having games that have been adapted by the military for training. 369 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,640 Battle Zone was one of them. 370 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,240 Doom II is another one. 371 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:03,160 So, you know, there's that little thread, that kernel of truth there with the connection. 372 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:04,160 Yeah. 373 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:09,480 So the military actually used these video games as training for like soldiers? 374 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:10,480 Indeed. 375 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:11,480 Oh my gosh. 376 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:19,560 And another interesting sort of piece of that is there's a home console that predates the 377 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:25,520 Atari 2600, which everybody knows as right around this time of the arcade craze, you 378 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:31,000 know, to play the home-ported versions of all these arcade games. 379 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:37,800 There's a console that predates it called the Fairchild F and libraries very small. 380 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:39,200 It's a very little-known system. 381 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:44,400 It was the first system you could change the gameplay experience with the cartridge. 382 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:49,240 And I mentioned this because the military actually went ahead and contracted with them. 383 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:56,840 They got together in Fairchild after their failure in the game console market did almost 384 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,680 exclusively military contracts. 385 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:01,440 Oh, wow. 386 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,800 I didn't know any of that. 387 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:09,760 I kind of knew like nowadays they have, you know, like flight simulators and things, but 388 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:15,000 I didn't think even way back then that they would be, because it's like, I don't think 389 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,000 it's very practical. 390 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,960 Were they using guns or were they using like little controls? 391 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,480 They're using the little controls. 392 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:23,480 Yeah. 393 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:27,840 And there are these controls that were mapped to, you know, the commands in the game. 394 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,320 Just like there are now, you can use a steering wheel and so on. 395 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:37,800 You can use a full-on helicopter mock-up cockpit and they do. 396 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,880 These games, you know, were not necessarily games. 397 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,400 They were adapted to military training. 398 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:48,400 They were modified slightly, but the base of it was the game. 399 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:54,240 And then in 1984 there was a movie called The Last Star Fighter, where a teenager was 400 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:58,720 playing a game that was covertly developed to recruit him as a soldier. 401 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:06,600 Now is aliens that had done it, but that storyline was there and it was bright for urban legend. 402 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:07,600 Absolutely. 403 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:11,040 It was in the public consciousness that the military and the government would be using 404 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:18,840 these video games against the sender various ways, but for themselves obviously to recruit 405 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,640 trained civilians. 406 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:25,000 That seems kind of crazy to me too, because they would have had to get any of the data 407 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:29,000 from people playing the game. 408 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,200 The technology in the game would have had to be way more advanced than maybe they would 409 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:38,680 have had at the time to put like tracking information into an arcade game. 410 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,080 Well that doesn't ever stop conspiracy theory. 411 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:42,840 Yeah, that's true. 412 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,360 But yeah, I agree with you. 413 00:22:46,360 --> 00:22:50,280 My conspiracy theory on this, well it's not like my theory, I'm sure. 414 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:57,520 But I think it was aliens who put it there to, like you said with this other movie to study 415 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:58,520 us. 416 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,880 That's what I've always thought. 417 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,400 It's a great idea. 418 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,640 You would be able to identify which kids are going to grow up to be the worst alien killers 419 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,760 and just eliminate them. 420 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:10,760 That's true. 421 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,080 You get the very good tactic. 422 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:20,720 The book 1984, all about government control and everything, well 1984 was coming and it 423 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:28,320 was, so it was very much in the public consciousness of the reaching government and all of that. 424 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,240 It was just a perfect storm. 425 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:32,240 Exactly. 426 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,640 Do you think a legend like this could be born now? 427 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,640 Yes. 428 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:39,960 I suppose so. 429 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,720 I mean there's crazy conspiracy theories that keep popping up every day. 430 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,360 So why not? 431 00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:52,280 I feel like everyone now is just so suspicious because of AI and everything is just it's fake, 432 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:53,840 but it looks so real. 433 00:23:53,840 --> 00:24:00,600 Yeah, there is a general distrust and a decline of faith in institutions, including those 434 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:05,160 that bring us our facts and news and truths. 435 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:11,480 And if it was going to come out today, I think it would be related to like home gaming, 436 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:17,160 whether it's a streaming game or like a PlayStation game or something because so you know back 437 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:22,160 in the day, arcades were where everybody was playing their games and now so many people 438 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:27,560 play at home that a more truthful conspiracy theory today would be one of these home played 439 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:28,560 games. 440 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:29,560 That is true. 441 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,880 So no one be afraid to visit the arcade. 442 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:33,880 That's right. 443 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,480 No, but almost right. 444 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:36,560 It's old tech. 445 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:37,760 It's not that fancy. 446 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,160 It can't watch you or anything. 447 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:41,640 It can't get you. 448 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,160 It's not tracking you. 449 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:51,640 If a version of Polybius was ever found and was playable and it did create all of these 450 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,240 symptoms, everything was true. 451 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:55,760 Would you play it? 452 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:56,760 No. 453 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:57,760 Good answer. 454 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,240 I'd be very tempted. 455 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:00,760 Me too. 456 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,640 I would certainly watch somebody else play it first. 457 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:04,640 Yes. 458 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,840 Yes, have someone else be the test subject. 459 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:15,060 But yeah, you know, some of the things that just crush the legend itself is there's no 460 00:25:15,060 --> 00:25:20,120 actual ROM sets that can be found. 461 00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:25,200 There was an article on I think it's coin up thought order or something where they said 462 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,200 they had a ROM set but they never shared it. 463 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,800 So we've actually existed. 464 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:37,880 So for listeners who may not know what a ROM set is, this is the actual software that holds 465 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,560 the game program. 466 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:46,000 And they are they had historically been stored on chips. 467 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:51,320 These ROM chips that were then on the main board of these arcade games. 468 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,960 And now, you know, the ROM codes for all these arcade games that we all know and love in 469 00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:02,320 a bunch of deep cuts we don't is more or less preserved and can be reinstalled in new new 470 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:08,800 chips, app ROMs and they can go into the machine and help preserve it. 471 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:16,000 But again, you know, with the case of Polybius, the fact that there's no known ROM sets is deeply 472 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,000 suspicious. 473 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,000 Right. 474 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,160 So there's that. 475 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,360 There was a popular magazine at the time called Electronic Games. 476 00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:29,640 And from 1981 to 1984, there was not a single mention of Polybius. 477 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:34,720 There was no mention of the game in any mainstream news in the early 80s. 478 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:42,120 And you'd think if kids were really getting sick from these games and such quantities, like 479 00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:44,400 somebody would have said something on the news. 480 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,960 It probably would have come up in one of these magazines. 481 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:53,740 The first online mention was in 1998 or maybe the early 2000s, some people speculate the 482 00:26:53,740 --> 00:26:57,720 date on the article isn't really accurate. 483 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:04,560 But yeah, it wasn't until the 2000s that there's really any mention of Polybius at any kind 484 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,560 of media or prancer. 485 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:07,560 Yeah. 486 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,480 It's BS y'all. 487 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:17,520 But if we jumped timelines like a Mandela effect situation, then there wouldn't be, right? 488 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:22,800 It's funny that you say that because there's a story at the foundation of arcade 2084. 489 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:28,780 Or it's a time travel story. It would not be uncommon for arcades in the 80s for operators 490 00:27:28,780 --> 00:27:33,840 to create a sci-fi motif and a little backstory for it. 491 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,040 But audiences are a lot more sophisticated now. 492 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,000 And the nerds are ruthless. 493 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,760 So this narrative is really rich. 494 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:48,880 And it contains multiple timelines as a time travel story. 495 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:56,080 And in the original timeline, Polybius exists and our antagonist, our villain, has changed 496 00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:01,920 history and removed Polybius among other dastardly events. 497 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:02,920 I love that. 498 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:03,920 That is so much fun. 499 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:12,760 And I love how the urban legend just keeps getting held up by like, so the original game 500 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:18,400 supposedly was created by a company called Sinneslöschen. 501 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,440 It's a German where I probably completely mess it up. 502 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,800 But it's supposed to mean like sensory deprivation. 503 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:31,200 But what people say, it's a very clumsy word as if somebody went to a translation dictionary 504 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,200 and tried to make a word. 505 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:34,200 Yeah. 506 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:42,680 So Sinneslöschen, there in 2007 at Sinneslöschen.com, you can download a Windows game called Polybius. 507 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:51,240 In 2017, PS4 had a game, Polyvius 2013. 508 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:56,080 There was a homebrew game for the Atari 2600 called Polybius. 509 00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:00,920 So even if it wasn't real before, they're making that game. 510 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,760 Yeah, it's real now. 511 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,560 Right, exactly. 512 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,760 Maybe not with the mind control, but there are games called Polyvius now, which, again, 513 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,760 maybe with the mind control. 514 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:15,640 It makes the research murky, you know? 515 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,040 It did exist. 516 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:22,360 Well, Polybius games do exist, but, you know, yeah. 517 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:23,560 In '81. 518 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:24,560 Right. 519 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:30,320 So what is your guys' favorite arcade game? 520 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:31,320 Can you pick? 521 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,240 I know it's probably a terrible question to ask. 522 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:35,560 I like Gravitar. 523 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:44,120 This is a mid-80s Atari game, sort of a combination between Lunar Landr and Asteroids. 524 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,880 The physics in the game are amazing. 525 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:53,840 You control a ship that you can direct the attitude of and thrust and firing, and you travel 526 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,120 to different worlds on a two-dimensional plane. 527 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,240 And in these worlds, you have to collect fuel, which is depleting. 528 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,480 If you run out of fuel, even if you have, you know, three guys left, that's the end 529 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:06,480 of the game. 530 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:12,880 So the tactics you use to employ, you know, your ship's fuel, it's just as important as 531 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:13,880 your weapons. 532 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:19,200 It's a very difficult game, and it really crushes the spirit of most people. 533 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,560 It makes almost no money, and it is just fantastic. 534 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,240 That sounds really stressful. 535 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:31,760 I'm feeling the bodily effects of the stress right now, and I'm not even playing it. 536 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:32,760 Yeah. 537 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:33,760 I can't stand that game. 538 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,640 It's just so tough. 539 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,920 I'm dead in 30 seconds, and I'm just like, I'm done, you know. 540 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:44,160 Most games, it's like, okay, let me try another token and see if I can get better, but that 541 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,320 one's just so difficult. 542 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:47,960 Do you guys have that one? 543 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,960 Yes, we do. 544 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,400 Everyone goes try to play it. 545 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:53,400 Yes. 546 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,080 Shana, do you have a favorite? 547 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,960 Um, a Tapper has been a favorite. 548 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,080 It is so hard to choose. 549 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:05,680 Um, I say Tapper, where you're a bartender that, you know, you have to serve beer to your 550 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:12,160 patrons and serve more beer down the bar than there are patrons. 551 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,440 The mug falls off the bar and you leave it. 552 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,160 Or if the patron gets to the end of the bar before you've given them a beer, they pick 553 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,160 you up and throw you down the bar. 554 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:21,160 Oh my god. 555 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,160 Well, that's just fun. 556 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:24,760 Do you guys have that one there? 557 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:25,760 We do. 558 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:26,760 Yes. 559 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,160 Oh my gosh, I have to tell you. 560 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,000 That's why I'm a Tapper. 561 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:36,160 It's got the Budweiser logo and that ended up changing over time to root beer Tapper to make 562 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,160 it more kid friendly and all of that. 563 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:44,440 Yeah, that is sort of, but I guess that is surprising that they made a beer game for children. 564 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,680 Well, the games are originally not for children. 565 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:51,240 I mean, if you look at even the size of them, most kids need a chair to stand on. 566 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:57,400 It is a broad misconception that our kids were and are for children. 567 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,000 They're not necessarily children. 568 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:06,240 And a lot of them, like the Chuck E. Cheese and even like the mall arcades, we're maybe 569 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,920 geared a little bit more to kids. 570 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,320 And far more accessible, obviously. 571 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:16,120 Right, but these original standalone arcades were seen as like these very seedy places where 572 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:21,320 people were dealing drugs and doing bad things and not for kids. 573 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:22,320 Yeah. 574 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,840 That is true because all the gambling stuff, that's right. 575 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,400 There were even some towns that had ordinances. 576 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,960 And it's really interesting if you, Eric did some research a while back looking through 577 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,160 old newspaper articles. 578 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:44,760 And a lot of towns had laws where arcades could not be opened during school hours. 579 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,520 And other such things. 580 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,920 Parents just thinking, yeah, they were just full of drugs and bad things. 581 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:51,920 It was a mean, yeah. 582 00:32:51,920 --> 00:33:01,720 No, well, it came, the belief among the carons of the day came from, again, curls of truth. 583 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:07,600 And it's why we now believe arcades to be, there are preconceived notions that arcades are 584 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:08,600 for children. 585 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,440 They're broken, they're dirty, they're rip off joints, there's no good food, there's 586 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,000 no good drink. 587 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:23,760 It comes from way back when these gaming parlors, billiards, pinball even, were in fact controlled 588 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,920 by the mob. 589 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:31,400 And Kramah was a little girl and she knew that those places were controlled by the mob. 590 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:39,160 And coming out of the 50s and 60s, pinball at its peak, there are lots of pinball places 591 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,800 that still had a lot of crime going on. 592 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:49,280 It was that third place like bars that maybe were less frequented by the authorities. 593 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:54,000 To be sure, there were narrative wells and things going on. 594 00:33:54,000 --> 00:34:01,480 But going into the late 70s with video games, the dynamic was a little different. 595 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:07,080 Teenagers did like to go there, but there was far less drugs and crime than was suspected. 596 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:11,760 And there was no longer any mob control to speak of. 597 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:21,880 But you can see how women were very concerned, maybe some men too, about the kids being in 598 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:22,880 these places. 599 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:27,160 I'm glad we're setting all of these records straight right now. 600 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:28,160 For real. 601 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:32,560 And definitely, you guys have great food. 602 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,600 It is nice in there. 603 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,320 Like you said, it's clean, it's fun. 604 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:38,640 I feel like everyone got it. 605 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,960 We're really proud of the menu. 606 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,280 The drinks as well. 607 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:48,520 We're bringing to bear just decades of experience in food service and hospitality. 608 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:54,280 Because people deserve good food, good service, good drink and special products and special 609 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,200 place and a friendly crew, they deserve it. 610 00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:59,200 And they're not getting it. 611 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,040 They don't expect it with our kids. 612 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:05,160 So the bar is low for better or for worse for us. 613 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,560 Do you guys do any events at the arcade? 614 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,040 Well every night, every day we're open every day. 615 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:16,040 There's a special, the thirsty Thursday, for example, $5 drafts. 616 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,040 karaoke. 617 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:18,680 Yeah, $4 bottles. 618 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:19,680 You've karaoke? 619 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:20,680 Yes. 620 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,200 Thursday’s are now karaoke night. 621 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,080 But only songs from 1989 and earlier. 622 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:26,880 Oh my God, I love that. 623 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:27,880 That is amazing. 624 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,760 Friday is fast times Friday. 625 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:35,520 That's where you can get some of my Nitro beverage line at a discount. 626 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,160 Route 84 is a Nitro root beer. 627 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:44,080 And there's a non-alcoholic version that was a huge hit for a couple of years. 628 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,560 But a lot of guests would drop in a shot. 629 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:51,080 And you get a great flavor profile with whiskey or vanilla. 630 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,800 But the alcohol destroys the effervescence when you do that. 631 00:35:54,800 --> 00:36:00,600 So I've created the new, smooth and hard line and this has the alcohol right in in the 632 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:01,600 brewing process. 633 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:08,400 So it's just head for days and it's an amazing draft root beer on tap. 634 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:09,400 Oh my gosh. 635 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,840 And Saturday is super shot Saturday. 636 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,600 So we have our jealous shots and the big syringes. 637 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,720 They come with bonus tokens. 638 00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:18,240 Sundays all day happy hour. 639 00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:19,240 And then. 640 00:36:19,240 --> 00:36:22,960 Dollar up all food and drink on the menu. 641 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,240 And then we do try to have other kinds of events eventually. 642 00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:31,440 We're going to get into doing some kind of tournaments, competitions. 643 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:37,200 But see, this month alone we've got the Mrs. Roper romp. 644 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,640 So not arcade related, but definitely 80s related. 645 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,400 Two is a character from Three's Company. 646 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:48,600 Who has this big curly red hair and wore these very colorful, they're called calf tans. 647 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,200 It's kind of like a big moomoo, big chunky jewelry. 648 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,520 So everybody dresses up like Mrs. Roper and kind of bar hops. 649 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,520 So we're doing that actually this Friday. 650 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:02,000 And then we do paint nights from time to time, black light paint night. 651 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,000 Oh my god. 652 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:07,760 Yeah, do paintings with these phosphorescent paints that will glow under the black light. 653 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,280 And yeah, and we're open to other kinds of events. 654 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,040 You know, if anybody's got an idea for us, just hit us up. 655 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,520 We'll see what we can fit in. 656 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:16,520 That sounds like so much fun. 657 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,680 I am so into that black light paint. 658 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:20,680 Oh my gosh. 659 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:21,680 That sounds great. 660 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,400 You have a paint be support. 661 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:24,400 Yeah. 662 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:25,400 And of course we do private parties too. 663 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,400 You can rent out the entire arcade. 664 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:28,400 Oh, you can? 665 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:29,400 Yes. 666 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,200 Oh my gosh, that's so fun. 667 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:32,800 Has anyone done that yet? 668 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:33,800 Yes. 669 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,680 Have you had a wedding there? 670 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,800 No wedding is mostly birthdays, team building. 671 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,040 It was cute even during Pete COVID. 672 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:44,320 We opened July 2020. 673 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:45,320 It was rough. 674 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,400 You know, a lot of people couldn't come in and there was a period where nobody could come 675 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:49,400 in. 676 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,440 We're just afraid to be around other people. 677 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:57,000 And we had this adorable couple who reserved the arcade just for themselves for a fun date 678 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,640 night, just the two of them. 679 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,600 That is so freaking sweet. 680 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:06,280 I love that. 681 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:11,360 As indie podcasters, we love to show our support of other awesome shows. 682 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,240 So stay tuned for the promo we've got to share with you this week. 683 00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:19,640 Let show them some love. 684 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:26,360 Hi guys, I'm Courtney and I'm Lisa and we are the host of the Book of the Dead, a true 685 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:33,160 crime podcast based out of New Jersey where we tell you about the most obscure cases that 686 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,240 you may have never heard of. 687 00:38:35,240 --> 00:38:39,280 So join us in the Book of the Dead library for another chapter of the Book of the Dead 688 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,560 wherever you get your podcasts. 689 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,720 Bye guys. 690 00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:44,720 You guys! 691 00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:46,080 We're back! 692 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,720 And don't worry, we did get more wine. 693 00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:52,720 Well of course. 694 00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:57,480 Well on our episodes, we usually do a tarot reading. 695 00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,280 How do you guys feel about tarot? 696 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,080 A fun activity. 697 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:02,080 Yeah. 698 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:03,080 Yeah? 699 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:04,080 Okay. 700 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:05,080 You're not scared, right? 701 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:06,080 Oh. 702 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,080 It's just no science man. 703 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:08,080 It's not a big deal. 704 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:09,080 I agree. 705 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,960 But some people are like, "Oh no, evil. 706 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:13,960 We're gonna..." 707 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:14,960 I have a stranger thing, Stack. 708 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,960 I thought it would be perfect to you. 709 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:17,960 Okay. 710 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:23,560 So I'm giving it a couple of good shuffles here. 711 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:24,560 Okay. 712 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:33,200 So I'm just gonna send me your Polybius vibes into the deck. 713 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:38,080 I think we're gonna go with this one. 714 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:45,400 Okay. We got the five of strands, which is Wands I Believe. 715 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,880 And I have my little interpretation book. 716 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,640 I'm gonna find the page. 717 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,360 I don't have all the cards memorized or anything. 718 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:54,360 We're pretty good now. 719 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,720 We've been doing it about almost three years now. 720 00:39:57,720 --> 00:40:01,520 So we're pretty good with our intuition with the cards, but we still always like to read 721 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:02,760 the little interpretation. 722 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,760 It's a big deck. 723 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:05,760 A lot to learn. 724 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:06,760 Yeah. 725 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:07,760 Oh my gosh. 726 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,160 I know the major arcana pretty well. 727 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:11,160 Nerd. 728 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:12,360 I am. 729 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,880 I have so many tarot decks. 730 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:15,880 It's ridiculous. 731 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:16,880 That's cool. 732 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:17,880 That's kind of cool. 733 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:18,880 Yeah. 734 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:19,880 I like how I do that. 735 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,880 And then I have a theme for like any topic. 736 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:23,880 Perfect. 737 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:29,760 So there needs to be like a Pac-Man, you know, an arcade-game tarot deck. 738 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:30,760 There should be. 739 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,640 You guys should invent one. 740 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,360 You should invent one. 741 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:35,880 We can work on it together. 742 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:36,880 I know. 743 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,920 I don't know a lot about arcade games. 744 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,320 I know how to play Pac-Man sort of. 745 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:42,320 There's patterns. 746 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,520 Are you going to teach me secrets right now? 747 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:46,520 Like that. 748 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,680 There's a hiding spot in Pac-Man. 749 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,520 There's no pause button on any of these games. 750 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,840 So if you need to go take a pee break, you better hope you bought the asteroids branded diaper 751 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,720 because you can't step away without losing your guy. 752 00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:03,800 Well on Pac-Man, there's a place in the maze where you can tuck Pac-Man in there. 753 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,560 The monsters won't bother him. 754 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,240 But what if someone else comes and moves the little stick and moves them out? 755 00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:11,240 Yeah. 756 00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:12,240 Is it a stick? 757 00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:13,240 Or is it a Piss-But? 758 00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:16,520 You take it with them behind the arcade. 759 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:17,520 Take them out back. 760 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:18,520 Yeah. 761 00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:19,520 Deal with... 762 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,280 Talk to NATO or the UN or something. 763 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:24,280 Okay. 764 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:28,760 So for five of strands, which is ones, I double checked. 765 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:34,320 Five of strands is like navigating Murkwood Forest with a dim flashlight. 766 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:39,360 No matter how hard you try to find your way, you're surrounded by shadows and illusion throwing 767 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,160 you off course. 768 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:46,160 Although you may feel lost, remember that all you need is clarity. 769 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,120 What is the source of your current conflict? 770 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,840 Are you trying to solve the right problem? 771 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:58,120 As tricky as this card can be, it does indicate a great payoff if things can be resolved. 772 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:02,120 Now it's just a matter of deciding whether you think it's worth it. 773 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:03,560 Ooh, is that a threat? 774 00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:04,960 That's a good one. 775 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,960 I feel slightly threatened. 776 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,440 Maybe we shouldn't be trying to solve this mystery. 777 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:13,440 Right? 778 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,400 A plebeia is, yeah, don't be close. 779 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,200 Yeah, I kind of think that's what it was saying. 780 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:20,200 Oh, awesome. 781 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:24,600 As a patriarchy, I do suggest we stop this immediately. 782 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:25,600 Okay. 783 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:32,320 That is interesting, though, that it said it talked about illusion. 784 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:33,320 Right? 785 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,680 That was like so perfect for this game. 786 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:41,080 I like the lights, too, kind of just remind me of the whole vibe of the, with all the lights 787 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:42,480 in the arcade. 788 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,280 So do we get any more cards? 789 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:45,280 Can you hit us? 790 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:46,280 Can you hit me? 791 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:47,280 Do you want another card? 792 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:48,280 We'll double down. 793 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:49,280 Yeah. 794 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:50,280 Let's do it. 795 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:51,280 I don't know how to play. 796 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:52,280 So. 797 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,560 I just grabbed, I felt like grabbing the one just that was on the top right here. 798 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,880 And it's the page of dice. 799 00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:58,880 Dice. 800 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,880 Dice are swords. 801 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:02,880 Ooh. 802 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:03,880 Okay. 803 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,160 Page of dice. 804 00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:13,440 Will Byers is full of creative ideas from stories to game campaigns to exploring the world 805 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:14,480 of science. 806 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,480 Okay. 807 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:23,720 As the page of dice, Will is finding his voice and learning how to express himself. 808 00:43:23,720 --> 00:43:28,760 His presence in your reading encourages you to pursue your ideas or consider new ways 809 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,160 of communicating your thoughts. 810 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:32,160 So which is it? 811 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:33,160 Should we not pursue it? 812 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:34,160 Should we pursue it? 813 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:35,160 That was good. 814 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:43,800 That was, it literally says game campaigns like in science. 815 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,640 I love it. 816 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,000 I'm thinking of a shape right now. 817 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,000 What is it? 818 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,000 I don't know. 819 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,000 Triangle. 820 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,000 Oh my God. 821 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,600 I'm going to miss a phenomenon. 822 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,880 Thank you. 823 00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,000 I was just thinking of pizza because I'm hungry. 824 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,920 It was a circle. 825 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,640 It was a fucking circle. 826 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:04,640 I was close. 827 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,200 I was a fucking circle. 828 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:08,200 That was very close. 829 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:09,440 See, I am a witch. 830 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,680 He said that pizza is a circle, but a slice of pizza is a triangle. 831 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:14,680 Yeah. 832 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:15,680 Yeah. 833 00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:16,680 So I was right. 834 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:17,680 Everybody was right. 835 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:18,680 Yeah. 836 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:19,680 Okay. 837 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,200 Well, do you guys have any last words? 838 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:29,840 I did want to mention how urban legends sometimes can just flutter away as times change. 839 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:34,280 But I love that this one stays in the public consciousness. 840 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,780 And even if you don't know it's there, there's Easter eggs in all kinds of pop culture where 841 00:44:38,780 --> 00:44:40,400 Polybius keeps showing up. 842 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:46,400 So it was in the Simpsons, the Goldbergs, Nine Inch Nails video, Less Than. 843 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,560 It's prominent in that one. 844 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,800 There was a short live show called Dimension 404. 845 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,440 It's got an episode all about Polybius, which I highly recommend. 846 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,960 Loki in Season 1, Polybius was there. 847 00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,600 And some show called Paper Girls have never heard of. 848 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,800 But Polybius shows up there, too. 849 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:03,800 So. 850 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:04,800 Wow. 851 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,080 I feel like that's just going to cement the legend for way in the future. 852 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:09,480 They're going to be like, look, it was real. 853 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,120 It's in all of these old things. 854 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,120 Right. 855 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,120 And I think as people learn about it, you know, like you weren't necessarily there, but 856 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:16,120 you learn about it. 857 00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:17,520 Like, oh, this is interesting. 858 00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,320 And then they put it in their movie or book or whatever. 859 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:26,760 It's just going to keep going on, which is fantastic because it keeps arcade in the consciousness. 860 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,120 Yeah, I agree. 861 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:35,160 So I had the opportunity to be at the Portland Retro Gaming Expo a weekend. 862 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:36,160 Oh, fun. 863 00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:37,160 Yeah. 864 00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:45,960 And I met some fellows that work on independent new arcade games. 865 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:52,080 And they have a number of titles that are hugely successful in barricades across the country. 866 00:45:52,080 --> 00:46:02,120 And I plan to pick up one or two of those for our arcade to introduce new audiences to 867 00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:03,840 these old titles. 868 00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:09,720 These games, these guys are making are in the spirit of these original eight 16-bit games 869 00:46:09,720 --> 00:46:12,080 from the '80s. 870 00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:18,960 The gameplay is on point as if the arcade phenomenon of the '80s didn't stop. 871 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,360 They've really, really nailed it. 872 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:28,920 And I'm excited to be working with them also on a new Polybius game that will be at our arcade. 873 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:29,920 Oh, my gosh. 874 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,160 I'm so excited. 875 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,360 You have to let me know when it comes. 876 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:37,880 I'm going to do like an opening day. 877 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,320 We hope that every day people come along. 878 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:48,800 There's been since we opened up a contest to create Polybius as well as some arcade games 879 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:53,480 in the style of the '80s and one with our own stories and narrative elements. 880 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,920 But there have been no submissions in this entire time. 881 00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:03,840 So I'm hopeful that working with these guys, we can act the rubber to the road and get these 882 00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:04,840 games rolling. 883 00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,160 And bring this urban legend to life. 884 00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:08,160 Yes. 885 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:09,600 Oh, this is so exciting. 886 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,200 I'm so glad to have you guys on. 887 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:13,200 Yeah. 888 00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:14,200 Thank you so much. 889 00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:15,200 It's wonderful to be here. 890 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:16,840 Thank you so much for your opportunity to talk to you. 891 00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,000 Yeah, absolutely. 892 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,600 Do you guys have Instagram or Facebook or anything like that? 893 00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,120 A website? 894 00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:24,120 All three. 895 00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:25,120 Yeah. 896 00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:26,120 Website barthattimeforgot.com. 897 00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:30,360 That will swing you over to barthattimeforgot.com. 898 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:35,400 That's our speakeasy style cocktail bar, board winning cocktails. 899 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:40,520 And Instagram, @arcade_2084. 900 00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,160 Yeah, and I think our Facebook handle is bar timeforgot. 901 00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:45,160 Bar that timeforgot. 902 00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,320 I can't remember if there's underscores in it or not. 903 00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:52,920 Well, we'll link to the website and I'm sure that they can find you all from there. 904 00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:53,920 Excellent. 905 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,000 Have a creepy ass day. 906 00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,920 See you in the future. 907 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:07,640 We won't have a tarot read video for our Patreon this week, but we will have a very special 908 00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:12,040 bonus episode, a whole episode for you guys. 909 00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:13,840 Oh, my gourd. 910 00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,040 Yes, so that will be released in place of a video. 911 00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:18,040 I'm very sorry. 912 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,440 You won't see our beautiful faces. 913 00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:29,560 Still, if you have any true crime, paranormal, witchy, or other creepy stories, maybe like 914 00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,360 any creepy video games you've played recently. 915 00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,440 Yeah, definitely that. 916 00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:40,440 You should attention them too, Cassie. 917 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:45,920 That'll be for our listener appreciation episodes, creepy people chronicles. 918 00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:54,800 Email them to us at pnwhauntsandhomicides@gmail.com or you can use the Google contact link in our 919 00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,760 episode description. 920 00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:57,760 Slash. 921 00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,440 Show notes. 922 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:04,560 When you are always welcome to remain anonymous, if you have a story that maybe you're worried 923 00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,120 the men in black will come after you for. 924 00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:08,120 Oh, great. 925 00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:09,600 We don't want that to happen to you. 926 00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:17,280 I wasn't worried about that, particularly, but after this episode you might be okay, great. 927 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,200 It's fine. 928 00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:24,560 But they also don't have to be specifically from the Pacific Northwest. 929 00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:25,560 Yes. 930 00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,560 Yeah, let's focus on that. 931 00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:32,760 These great, pre-impressed that I said specifically Pacific. 932 00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,760 Oh, yes. 933 00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:43,320 All of us on all of the socials, if you don't want to miss out on photos of the tarot cards, 934 00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:49,960 our beautiful, alter setups and a lot of backstage shenanigans, unless the men in black 935 00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:50,960 are after you. 936 00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:56,360 And therefore you have no time for shenanigans. 937 00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:57,360 None. 938 00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,400 And whatsoever. 939 00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:08,080 Also this week's tarot card photos will not be with an alter, but they'll be very special. 940 00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:12,320 You can find our website and link tree in the description of this episode to check out 941 00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,720 all of the strange fun we have to offer. pnwhauntsandhomicides.com 942 00:50:15,720 --> 00:50:45,280 Oh. 943 00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:50,000 Do you want to say it with me? 944 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,800 You don't have to say the ass part. 945 00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:53,600 Oh, I'm into the ass. 946 00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,280 Okay, cool. 947 00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:56,520 We love the ass around here.