Paranormal Encounters in California’s Redwoods: From Ghost Towns to Bigfoot

0:00 People have found windmill parts, bottles, dishes, bash tubs, like literally just like creepy bath tubs laying in the forest. - Okay, will any bathtub in the forest is gonna be creepy? - But you know what I think when I see that? - What I see. - a Cialis commercial? (laughing) - Are you ready? It's time. We happened upon a bath tub in the woods. I just think like what a cool like witchy photo she thought of me. - Oh, 1000%. But it would make a great photo shoot because that's undeniably weird and kind of creepy. - It is creepy. You wanna know what else is creepy? (dramatic music) - Hi, Caitlyn.

0:41 Hi, Cassie. - Hi, creepy people. - Hellooooo. - If you're new to our creepy corner of the world, this is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we chat about true crime, I don't know what that was. We chat about true crime, the paranormal, and all things spooky in the Pacific Northwest. - That we do. We also do a tarot reading at the end of every episode for a little bit of deeper insight into our topic. - The topic that is from the Pacific Northwest. (laughing) - Cassie, you didn't know. Or what is it, PNW? - PNW if you're nasy.

1:23 - Yeah, I think we should add saying that every time. - Okay, Shite, do you want me to just do a second take? - I like us talking about it. I feel like that's perfect. - Okay. (laughing) - Amazing. I like to be real here. We like to show people the ins and outs of our show. - Yup. - All the innards and outards. Okay, we like that. - Yeah. - I wish you could see the innards and outers of the pod lab right now. - Oh yeah. - She's in quite a state. Maybe we'll take some pictures and-- - Yeah, progress picks. - As you can tell by the wall, we're still not quite done. - Yeah. - Decorating and everything. We've got some equipmental things going on.

2:06 So. - Yup, that's the word. - Yup, and we've got one side of the room that has some brand new acoustical foam tiles. They're right above your head, so it's hilarious. I am gonna be so distracted by those. - You know what, when I walked in, I thought it was a flat screen and I was like, finally. - A TV. - I thought we got monitors above our heads so we could see each other. I mean, see ourselves. - That's hilarious. - I mean, for like a split second. - Yeah. - I didn't like actually think you guys would do that. - Yeah. That would be really weird because it also is partially on the ceiling.

2:49 So it's like the wall and the ceiling. It also wraps around the corner wall. So, I mean, that would be quite the flat screen. - And not at all flat. - I didn't quite see the other parts. I just saw the black on the wall and the flat. - Huh. - And I got excited for a split second. - Yeah, a split pea of a second. - A split second. - I don't wanna take that from you. - You're still loud. - I'm still loud. - Mr. car out there. - Yeah, we do have some brand new curtains 'cause it's helping us influence the light. So the Cassie doesn't have to squint by midday as the sun changes position. - Yeah.

3:29 - There also supposed to be sound dampening which I do feel like we're noticing a difference already but it's very slight. - Yeah, we'll see during editing what happens. - Yeah, yeah. You know, I really think it's the other half of the acoustical tiles. That's, wow, that's gonna be the game changer. - I think so. - Yeah. - It's only for a voice echo a little bit. - Yeah, I think so. - I don't know what it's called when you're a voice. - Reverb. - Reverbs around the room. - The reverbs. - Well, I must know. Who are you wearing under the table? (laughs) - Okay, so I'm wearing these very comfy, Lengie pajama shorts.

4:14 - Yes, those, not what you meant. - Do they have rhinestones on them? Are they sparkly? - They don't know. - Are they shiny? Then I don't care. - Oh, okay. So you meant the shoes. - I meant the shoes. - Okay, 'cause I'm trying to break in my wedding shoes right now. (laughs) - She's been wearing them all day, just talking about them. - Oh my gosh. - Look at my shoes, look at my shoes. - Okay, so I've only been wearing them for a couple of hours but to be fair, I did run into the bathroom while she was finishing her makeup and do a full high kick so that we could look at my shoe in the mirror.

4:55 And that was, as you can imagine, I'm sure quite the challenge because I'm five feet tall and yeah, it's a feat of physics to get my foot up into the mirror, but it's a feat of physics to look at. - I didn't even think about that. - For all five feet of Caitlyn to look at her own feet, your five feet, right? - Yeah, five foot, yeah. - I don't wanna make you taller than you actually. - I mean, God forbid. - Yeah. - When my thoughts go to my head, I assume that if you get much taller than that, the air's just gotta be thinner out there, you know? - You know, I've grown about an inch in my adult life from, you know, elongating my spine, like making things where they actually should be instead of all crumpled up.

5:43 - Oh. - And you know, I gotta say, I got some elevation sickness from it, like I, - Okay, so she's mocking me. - Great. - I thought that was genius. - No, it was good. It was good. - You know you're good. - Okay. - What are we talking about today? It's my episode. - Yeah. - So I think this week we're gonna go down to California. - Oh. - Why? - I don't know. - 'Cause they know how to party.

6:23 - Oh. - They do know how to party. - And they also have ghosts. - So. - Oh, okay. - I forgive you for that. - Not you, Cassie. I forgive California. - I was like, oh, okay, cool. All I have to do is give her a party and then I'm forgiven. I'm already having a party pretty soon. I don't know if you've heard. - Where we're going is about 250 miles north of San Francisco. - San Fran, if you nasty. - Some of these might not be traditional ghosts. - So they're like weird ghosts. Like they're keep it weird ghosts.

7:04 Like they're like. - I bet like you can never guess in a million years. Like what kind of ghosts I'm gonna talk about. - Okay. - I guess I'll just let you tell me. - Yeah. So none of these are ghosts. Like they would be a spirit of a person. Oh. What? I'm not gonna tell you. Well, I'm gonna tell you eventually. But we'll get there. We do have some real ghosts too. It's a real variety show this one. I, okay. I don't know if I should be nervous or excited. You should be both. That's a lot of feelings. And I think you know how I feel about feelings.

7:47 You feel them. Headwaters forest reserve is 7,472 acres of protected old growth redwood forest. Oh, gorgeous. Which is also home to threatened species. Like coho salmon, the northern spotted owl, and marbled merlet. Murrelet. And I had no clue what that was. So obviously I googled it. Google says it's a small squat seabird with a short neck and tail. Giving the body a blocky shape. It has a thin pointed bill and an in-flight rather long narrow wings.

8:32 You can Google it if you wanna see it. I was gonna say, why do I feel so attacked by this description? Like I feel like you're describing my body type. And funny, we were just talking about that earlier. How's it spelled? So marbled like your favorite thing. And the merlet, MU, R-R-E, L-E-T. Oh, okay. It's just like a, it looks like a bird. Like a fox. And like a pigeon. And how to baby? I was thinking like a kid tried to draw a duck but like couldn't really do it, right? Yeah. Yeah. Pigeon 2 I see. Yeah. Very interesting. Google it everyone.

9:13 Or you know, we can put some pictures on it. It's a picture now. Yeah. If you want to, I have no pressure. We should, but I feel like we should post a picture of it. They're like kind of cute. We should do a story and be like, can anyone name this bird? There you go. Cheating. No, changing. There is a hiking trail here called Elk River Trail. In this trail has its very own ghost town. Okay. So not the traditional ghost. It's just a ghost town. That doesn't mean it has ghosts in it. That just means there's no people. Got it.

9:54 Right. Okay. Right. Here I was thinking, I'm like, is this about animal ghosts? Is this like puppies and kittens and is this like a patronus episode? Yeah, basically. No, I'm sorry. All right. Maybe later, no spoilers. The logging town of Falk formed in the 1860s was home to 400 people. A lot of people. A lot of people. A lot of people. But it was the 1860s. So there wasn't like that many people around. I mean, I guess. Yeah. I feel like I have that many cousins. Or they all come into the wedding. We're going to bring it back to the wedding. No, they're not invited.

10:36 Pretty much all of my cousins. So we can leave that joke in because it won't be offensive to anyone. The town was formed when Noah Falk opened the Elk River Mill and Logging Company. So they were coming in and tearing all of the old growth trees down, which like back them. That's what they did. But thank goodness now they're protected. Yeah. The town obviously had some homes and a general store, but it also had a cook house, a post office, and a dance hall. Ooh. No one stopped in these lumberjacks from dancing.

11:18 And my dancing shoes are out of here. Your dancing shoes. It reminds me of that little bonus we did. Yeah. Oh my God. The fight at the dance hall. Oh, the beaver fight. Join our Patreon if you must know. Oh my God. And you simply must. It's really good. That was so good. Like if you literally pay us a dollar for a month, just to listen to that. Like I think it's worth it. I think it's worth it. I mean, if you want to give us more then. Yeah. I mean, it's a gr- I just think it's like the funniest story.

11:58 It is. It's a good one. You did a good job. Yay. Good. I did a good, gold star on your shoe. Ah. Once cars became more of a thing, people from the isolated town started moving to a larger town nearby. Eureka! Oh. Why did I say it like a Oprah? I mean, I kind of like it. I feel like that's how you should say Eureka. That's how it's pronounced, right? Eureka? Yeah. Okay, cool. And with the depression doing its damn thing, the mill closed in 1937, which it did save the trees and the people were moving anyway.

12:41 So I feel like it was kind of fine. Yeah. Maybe not for the owner. I'm sorry Noah. Yeah, it's a bummer. If he was even still the owner, then I don't know. Mr. Falk. Yeah. Eventually, time and the forest decayed the abandoned buildings of Falk. The owners of the land couldn't have curious thrill seekers or hornetineaters all up on their property, fallen through floors and shit. You know how they are. Not a good time. So they hired caretakers, Charlie and Loleta a Webb. Loleta. Loleta. I think that's how you say it. - LOL, ETA.

13:23 - LOL, Loleta. - ETA. (laughs) - So what's your ETA, Loleta? - LOL, what is your ETA? - It said that Charlie would chase people off with a shotgun, but it was a shotgun of rock salt, not like actual bullets. So that's almost worse. - Well I'm starting to think maybe he was chasing ghost off, like maybe he thought he was chasing ghost off and using a rock salt gun like in supernatural. Wait, maybe he thought he was chasing ghost off? - Yeah, like maybe he was seeing like humans, like a trespassing dude was like, "Oh, there's ghost off." (laughs) - I don't know, I'm not Charlie.

14:04 - Really? - Yeah. - When he passed away, they decided since no one was around to take care of all the buildings, that they were just tear them down. They did leave the caretakers house and the railroad round house. - Oh, which I was like, I don't know. Is that like a wrestling move? Like a... (laughs) - I was just like, I don't know what a round house is. Like literally round shape? - Yeah, so I googled it and around houses, like something I asked for the trains to go through and it would kind of like be like a sea or like a you. I don't think it was totally circular. - Oh, it's like almost like a covered like, like when you go to the station, you're just bleeding out the...

14:48 - Stop. - My God, words are so hard. - Quick Google, I think that's what it is. If it is something else, you are free to email me and let me know or comment or something. - Or if you really like our British accents, like we just got an email, I thought that emailing I wanted to talk to you about it. - Oh, well, I was just gonna make a comment about how they like our British accent. - Cross the pond. - Yeah, that's... - It's very good to hear that we aren't offending anyone too badly. 'Cause we only mean it with love. We just like love accents. They're so fun. And we're boring. Listen to us. - Yikes. Oh, ouch.

15:29 But thanks, Rob. (laughing) Not so much thanks, Cassie, I guess, but thanks, Rob. Should we do, should we just put on English accents all the time? - I don't know, it's a lot of pressure. The only thing I would say would be like, "Hello, hello." I don't even know what part of, 'cause I know they're all different. - Yeah. - Sounding, tell me what part that is, Rob. - I don't know, I wanna say Cockney, but I don't know. - I wanna say Pirates of the Caribbean. (laughing) - Okay. - I wanna say, I know just enough to be dangerous. Anyways. - I'm here, Rob.

16:12 Depression, decaying. - Yay. - 40-T, oh, wrestling move. We were talking about the rounds, okay. Even though the majority of the buildings are gone, evidence of the ghost town still remains. People say they can feel energy all around when they visit, and they feel the sense of being watched from the shadows. - I don't like that. That gives me like tunnel 13 vibes. - Yeah. It is just that feeling though, like when you're in a creepy spot, you kinda just like, you feel things all around you. - Yeah, things, things.

16:53 - Things. - You can still spot building foundations and piping, which is kinda cool, and like, it's like, it reminds me of like bones coming up from like their grave or something, or maybe like decaying down into the ground. You just see like the leftovers of what used to be. - I don't know. - Just rambled on for a minute there. - Uh. (laughs) - People have found windmill parts, bottles, dishes, bash tubs, like literally just like creepy bath tubs laying in the forest. - Okay, will any bathtub in the forest is gonna be creepy?

17:35 - But you know what I think when I see that? What I- - See how? - A Cialis commercial? (laughs) - Are you ready? It's time. - We happened upon a bathtub in the woods. I just think like what a cool like witchy photo shoot thought of me. - Oh, 1000%. But it would make a great photo shoot because that's undeniably weird and kinda creepy. - It is creepy. You wanna know what else is creepy? - Okay. - Finding a porcelain doll head, 'cause those have been found on the property too. - No. - Included that just for you. - Yeah, no, I mean, I figured you left that in for me. - Just for your benefit. - Super.

18:16 - Some of the things that have been found are on display at the Headwater's Education Center at the restored railroad roundhouse. - Oh, so that you can still see. - Okay. - Like that sounds kinda cool. - I know, and then they have all like the things people have found from the old town. - Yeah, I wanna go visit. - I wanna visit everywhere. - Yeah, you can totally go visit. - We'll go, you won't feel anything watching you from the trees. - I totally well, and I'm sorry, but I don't go places where they're already finding doll heads. - You know, I just had the best idea. I'm just gonna keep doll heads in my purse and then like plant them all over wherever we're at.

18:56 So you think that you're going and saying. - Do you, like the worst part about that is that it would just, it would so easily work. - What? That's why I told you, 'cause I could never do it to you. - 'Cause I'm so goal, I'm a goal of calf. - Yeah. - If I didn't like you, like I would totally pull that prank on you though. That would be the best prank. Okay, well, and for anybody who doesn't know me, just know that I trust no one. The Elk River Trail is a self-guided two mile round trip hike with informative signs about folks' history. This is from their website. Quote, we ask that you respect the natural and cultural resources by leaving them undisturbed.

19:44 The historical significance of this area is priceless. - Yeah. Also, it's plenty disturbed already from the sounds of it. - Yeah. - So. - And it's dick road, don't be a dick. (laughs) - Yes. - Just had to bring it back. - Yeah. - As always. - So don't be a dick because even though they say Charlie is long gone. If you're out there at night and up to some shenanigans, you might just wind up getting yourself chased out by a ghost with a shotgun full of salt. (gasps) - Okay. - Charlie's still roaming the property, protecting it from all of you shenanigans out there.

20:27 - Okay, but who's supplying the rock salt? - It's ghost rock salt. So like, you can endless supply. - Great. - I told you the ghosts in the story aren't gonna be what you think. - Ghost town, ghost salt. - Yeah, I mean, I definitely didn't predict this. - That's fair. - Ghost of Cassie's brain is somewhere. (laughs) They even do, or they have done in the past, I don't know if they still do it, but they've done a Halloween event where actors have dressed up as the townspeople of folk and haunted the forest while, like, so people would go hike around in it. Like, a haunted trail type of thing.

21:09 - Yeah, I mean, what's not, okay, like I can get behind that, as long as, you know, it's not actually haunted. - I mean, it is haunted, but then there's also real people in it. - Then that actually makes it worse. It's more confusing because I don't know if it's like, which is the ghost. - Yeah, exactly. - Yeah. - No, not for me. Never mind, I'm back out. About 35 miles south is Humboldt's Redwood State Park, where numerous ghost sightings have occurred. And these are like, regular ghosts. Like the traditional ghost. - They're trad ghosts. (laughs) I'm dead.

21:51 - time machine. Do they bake their own bread? - You're a little bit more gorgeous. - You know, probably. - I have here that it smells like bread. - You walk into the forest. You can hear butter churning. - That would be amazing. I'm not gonna lie. I just will bread though. - Yeah. So unfortunately, these are not trad ghosts. They are actually even before that. They might be due to the spirits of the synchion people. Oh, that are said to stare at you from the shadows of the secret redwood trees that they protect. So they're not menacing. They're just there to protect the trees from the shenanigans.

22:34 They're kinda like "shotgun Charlie." Okay. That still doesn't sound great 'cause he had the rock salt in the shotgun. And I feel like he's a little more gong-ho on like if anyone's out there, he might try to shoot at them. Oh, but I feel like these ones are more just like, they're laying back just like making sure that you're gonna be cool to the trees 'cause this is their sacred land. They were here first. These are their motherfucking trees. - Yeah. - They're not your trees? - Right. But they're not just like behaving totally indiscriminately.

23:15 - No, they're not attacking you unless, you know, probably deserved. I didn't see any stories of any attacks, probably 'cause they didn't survive. - Great. - Great. Since 1958, there have also been a ton of ♪ Bigfoot Reports ♪ - Oh. I totally forgot my little Bigfoot statue. It was gonna be enough. But our altar is full enough. - Yeah. - And this is not a lot about Bigfoot. We're not going in a Bigfoot. That's gonna be its whole episode at some point in the very far off future. All right. Some people say that their food and camping gear were trampled by what seemed to be giant feet.

23:58 'Cause like definitely not a bear, you guys. - I was gonna say. - Bigfoot, yeah. - But it was just like a really big dude. - Like the Bigfoot to crumple that shit, you know? Takes some big feet to do that. So. - Yeah. - I don't know. - Just everyone has bigger feet than me. - So. - I just, I'm a little skeptical. 'Cause I'm like, oh. I don't know, you're pretty good at stomping on stuff. Remember the snow? You stomped me a little trail on the snow. - That's true. That's your wedge boots. - Yeah. - I don't know why I remember that all of a sudden. - Because it was so scary. It's just like one of those, you know, you have like, I think like certain snapshots that like make up like your friends personality.

24:44 And that's like one of my snapshots of you and like your personality. - Me stomping in the snow so that you can actually like, walk to your car and sort of sliding around on my- - Yeah, 'cause I'm wearing boots with no grip. Like an A-it and this stuff. - You're like wearing like, you know, like cute, like boots with the fur type thing and I'm like over here in my like, dog worker boots and I'm like, I got this. - Yeah. People even report hearing bigfoot's call in the wild. There's like a stereotypical like bigfoot call that like people who know about bigfoot know. I think it's that kind of thing. Yeah, and we're not getting into it 'cause this is not about him, okay?

25:29 - Okay, but what is the call sound like? - I don't remember and I didn't listen to it 'cause I'm just, I have to be in the bigfoot mode, okay? - All right. - And I'm just not there yet. But I will link the article and it has a link to it. The sound, I think, or you can just Google like bigfoot sound. Why don't we just Google bigfoot sound right now? Let's just fucking do it. - Let's do it. - (YouTube Video playing) "Bigfoot is definitely in Texas." [Distant Bigfoot call] - So basically just screaming in the woods. - Kind of. - I'm sure Texas bigfoot sounds a lot like Pacific Northwest bigfoot. - I mean. - Maybe there's to have different accents.

26:09 - I was gonna say. (laughing) - New think he wears a cowboy hat? - 100%. (laughing) - How big do you think it's belt buckle is? - The biggest. Okay, moving on from the bigfoot 'cause this is not about him, okay? - Right, right, right, right, right, right. California has 49 state parks dedicated to the preservation of Redwood trees. - Wow. - That can live over 2,000 years. - So they're gonna be there for a while? Is that what we're-- - Yeah, they've been there a while and they're gonna be there a while longer. - All right. - That's a long life.

26:49 That's what I wrote next. That's a long life. They can't all get away without some ghostly attachments. The trees, the trees. They might have some ghostly attachments. - Okay, we'll talk about it. Sprouting from some of these at Redwood trees are an extremely rare, parasitic like albino tree. There's only about 25 of them known in the world. The tallest Redwood is about 380 feet. And these little buggers can be from like 6 to 70 feet is the tallest.

27:33 So they're 6 to 70? - 70, even though they're 70 feet, like they're still a lot smaller than 380 feet. - Yeah, but that's crazy tall though. - Yeah. - I feel like those are rare. I don't think they all get to be 70 feet. 'Cause they're only a fraction of the host's lifespan at five to 10 years. - Interesting. - And they're called ghost trees. - That is so funny. I love that. - I don't. - Ghost trees. Do they look like a ghost? - They do. - Kind of.

28:14 - Kind of, if you want to look it up, just like a ghost redwood trees or something. Their needles are pale and limp with a waxy texture and you'd probably mistake them for dead trees. If you were just to happen upon them without knowing about them, did you find them? - Yeah, in the pictures that I'm seeing, it kind of, it almost looks like a flocked Christmas tree to me. - It kind of does, yeah. - Yeah. - And some of them are a little like on the reddish brown side, some of them are a lot more pale. That is so, like it's so cool. And just very strange, do it the same, they're very interesting.

28:54 They don't have chlorophyll. And as we learned in elementary school science, they kind of need that to convert sunlight into energy, known as photosynthesis. - Yeah, I see. I've been watching a lot of young sheldon, so. - I'm like, pretty up about that. - Photosynthesis, why do I say it like that? Was there some dumb video that we watched? - They had to, they had to, they had to, they had to. - Bill Nye the song, it's going. - Maybe that's what it was. - I feel like that's gotta be it. - Yeah. - Google Bill Nye, no, I'm just kidding. That was just about, I was ready to go. For fingers, they're so feedy.

29:34 - So they survive by feeding off of their parent tree, which is why they're kind of a parasite. - Got it. - Okay, that makes sense. - And like anyone with kids, they kind of get that too, right? I have to assume. (laughing) No one really knows why this happens. Some scientists speculate that the pale offshoots help the host tree process toxins. - Oh. - 'Cause the trees have like six sets of chromosomes. And apparently that's a lot of genetic possibilities with trees. - That only six? - Yeah, I looked it up and I was like, they have less than us, right?

30:16 - Yeah, I quite a few. (laughing) - But still, that gets you a lot of different. Like even with trees, they can have a lot of different qualities about them. Their bark can be all gnarly and weird, or they can have, I don't know. - Yeah, no, I mean, that's interesting. - Yeah, and some of them turn into albino trees. - All right then. - And they don't know for sure that it's to process toxins or anything like that. 'Cause I feel like that maybe they would be far more frequent if they had to do that. 'Cause there's a lot of damn toxins in the world. (laughing) So the trees were like evolving. - Yeah, that's kind of interesting. But, you know, trees also sort of are interconnected.

30:58 - I was just thinking that like, their underground traffic, they're all like, basically connected. So maybe they're able to like, all kind of views that one. - I don't know, that's interesting. - It reminds me of an organ, and all of the trees are connected, and it's like one giant body, and then like that little albino tree is like an organ inside the body. - Yeah, I'm dealing with the top liver. - Like the liver, yeah. - Like the liver or kidneys. - Yeah, that's what it reminded me of. - I didn't mean to put this up, 'cause we're gonna go back to Ureca. So I did mean to put this up earlier in the episode, but you get it now, so. We're gonna dip back over to Ureca.

31:40 I can't remember where I said it was. So over there, somewhere away from the Redwood Park. (laughing) There's a listing on visitredwoods.com. - Ooh. - And it's Eureka's only ghost tour. Oh, this is a quote right from the website about it. Join us to learn about Eureka’s Haunted Past. - Bounty. - And it's haunted present. From its rough and tumble beginnings, Eureka has been a wide open town. She wide open. And as you will learn, not all of its stories can be explained. As you tour the streets of Old Town, learn what happened in Opera Alley, and what's underneath Second Street.

32:26 What's under Second Street? - Yeah. (laughing) - Underground, kind of like Shanghai Tunnel style. - I was like I betcha there’s some tunnels. - Well, yeah, that seems like a fair bet, right? - Tours last about an hour and a half. We will guarantee you will never forget Eureka's other side of history. - Ooh. That sounds ominous. - I wanna go. I wanna go so bad. Just like, "I'm in Eureka, Eureka." - Eureka. - That's such a nerd. - Okay, well now we're gonna visit another place called Shasta Trinity National Forest. It is a campground in Redding, and that's about 156 miles north of Sacramento.

33:12 So we're going all over Northern California. - Oh, what a... - Should we dip a little lower, too? I'm not sure. - Okay. - She nasty. - She nasty. - It's allegedly, allegedly. - Allegedly. I like it. - Allegedly. - Yeah, it's like a legend, also allegedly. I like it. - It is allegedly haunted by an entity that only reveals itself on Halloween. - Wow. - And I was gonna save this for Halloween, but I just like couldn't. - Yeah, I really, I just can't really sit on this right now. - Yeah, maybe I'll bring it back around. We'll see. - Yeah. - The shadow of a woman surrounded by fine mist can be seen crying as she walks along the river.

33:59 - Okay. - Or on the water itself. - So she's the little like Jesus. Just. - Yeah. - We'll drop a Jesus water in there. Okay. I don't know. I feel like, mm, mm, mm. - Well, you know what it reminds us of. A lot of people compare her to La Llorona. - La Llorona? - La Llorona. - La Llorona. - Did I say it right, Cristina? - Yes. - Which according to Google AI, La Llorona, which translates to the weeping woman in Spanish, is a vengeful ghost or spirit in Mexican and Latin American folklore, who is said to cause misfortune to the living.

34:45 And it was AI who said that, and it sounded right like what I've heard, so I didn't go into it. 'Cause the same, all about her either. - Okay, great. - Yeah, that's fine. If you don't wanna talk about it, it's whatever. I don't have the chills or anything, so it's fine. The sounds of the spirit crying lures people in looking for help. Like they think someone is in need, 'cause they hear someone crying, right? - I... - Locals even dare each other to go down to the river alone and see if they can find her. No, that's just dangerous. Allegently, some of them don't come back. - Well, yeah, I mean, just a body of water by yourself is dangerous.

35:30 - That's true. I mean, they don't have to go into it, but maybe they slipped and fell over. - Yeah. - Me, me, me. - How little bit of hell? - She pushed them. - No one knows if she is avenging her death or just wanting a friend on the other side. - Oh, I hate that. - Wanting a little ghostly gab, if you wanna be your friend. - Do you wanna go see me? - It'll be a gab, but come on. - Oh. - But if you decide to go and look for California's La Llorona, don't get too close to the water's edge. - I won't. - I won't do any of that. - Knowing you might just fall in, like. - Yeah. - You wouldn't even need help. She would just sit there and be like, (laughing) "She just tripped over her own foot."

36:15 (laughing) And then you would start a pod with her in the afterlife. - Yeah, except I'm actually... So, okay, I'm very clumsy and God helped me in so many pursuits in life, but I'm a pretty good swimmer. So... - That's great. That's good. Got that going for me. Not that I'm looking to test out this theory. - Yeah, just to be clear. No, thank you. - No, go push a gab, Lairona, rivers. Yeah, no, thank you. In 2022, at the same campground, Lake Shasta became so dry that a ghost boat was revealed. - Oh God! (laughing) - And someone sent you a picture of the ghost boat.

36:58 It's really cool. - Okay, cool. Oh God, that means it was there when I was there. - What's it? I'm guessing, 'cause I went there before 2022. - This landing boat has 3117 on its side, which would have been a ship assigned on the attack transport USS Manrovia? - Yeah, Manrovia. - In World War II. Okay. - Well, tell us about things I don't really know about. - Yeah. - In World War II stuff, kind of interesting.

37:38 - Yeah. - Although the bones are there, this boat is so decayed that they can't tell how it was actually saying. - Oh, the boat. - The bones of the boat. - The bones of the boat. - There were no people found with this boat. There have been bodies found with other ghost boats that popped up, but not here totally. So I picked a good ghost boat, you know? - Okay, yeah, that's great. 'Cause yeah, if you could just not produce ghost boats and bones in bodies of water that I frequent, that'd be so great. I've only been to Shasta once. - Was it dry when you went? - Or was the boat.

38:19 - No. - You were saying the boat was just under there. - Yeah, it must have still been under there. 'Cause I think this was in like 20, maybe 2019. - Okay. - Yeah, I don't know. - Yeah, I was surprised how recent this was. - Yeah. Well, did you like the non-traditional ghosts I had for you today? - I did. - Where did Ghost Town, Ghost Trees, Ghost Rocksalt, and a Ghost Boat? - Yeah. - It's kind of cool. It's a lot of spooky stuff. - And we have a very spooky, alter goin on. - You did it up today. - Yeah. - Should we light this bitch up and do some tarot? - Let's do it. - Let's do it. - You guys, we have something really exciting to share with you.

39:02 - Let's hear a few words from our new pod besties. - Hello, twisted humans. Do you find yourself wanting to know more about the latest murder, conspiracy, cult, or haunting? - Then this is the podcast for you. We're bringing the most intense stories that'll keep you up at night. - He was found guilty of voluntary manslaughter and philonia's assault, but he was only sentenced to five months of probation. And this would be the last time that anyone ever saw a fear. There are allegedly two women who also drowned in the first month's school. - What's this the same glowing green they'd seen in the darkness the night before?

39:45 - He had refused to sit near the wagon cloth because of stains on it, which were most likely blood. Join us every Tuesday for a glass of wine or sangria and a dose of true crime. - I'm Alicia. - And I'm Sierra. - And this is Twisted and Uncorked. - Check them out, creepy people. You can find their info in our show notes. - Okay, we're doing some tarot for a couple of spots in California with redwood trees and all kinds of different kinds of ghosties. Do you have any feelings or no, it's gonna be this one.

40:32 Sorry, you don't get any feelings. - No. - I actually, I don't. I was looking at the back of your head. (laughing) - I know, isn't it gorgeous? - Yeah, just 'cause it was my head in the way. - Yeah. - I got the six of sticks. Pick up sticks. - Six of ones? - Yeah. - Six of ones. - There's sandhill cranes on it. - Beautiful. - Yeah, that's fabulous. - And then I'll let you read the description in our modern witch tarot book. - Yeah. - And then I'll read the one, the little cute story from the Pacific Northwest tarot. - I love it. Keywords are victory, success, recognition, and satisfaction.

41:15 - Okay. The six of ones is the victory card. You've faced challenges, won the fight and deserve the accolades you receive. Success and good fortune are yours. - I feel like this is about like the trees, 'cause they were all getting chopped down. And then they regroup, they regroup. They took over these buildings of people that were trampling all over there. - Yeah. - Inirds. - They've reclaimed the earth. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Victory. - Victory. - Well, when in the end? - I win, you lose. Too bad, so sad.

41:55 - Okay, and we dig at the sub-rate, correct? Okay. The six of ones promises a time of happiness and fulfillment. You've martyled your energies during times of struggle and overcome obstacles. Now you're on top and can accept recognition and rewards. - They're on top, 'cause they're really tall. And their recognition and reward is like having a sanctuary, a reserve to protect them. - Yeah. - In 49 state parks dedicated to redwoods. - Yeah. - That's an insane number. - Yeah. I mean, it's great.

42:36 It is in the song of our nation or whatever, so. - It's true. - I mean, it's kind of a big deal. (laughs) - I don't like to brag, but I'm kind of a big deal. I'm like a national park. You feel good about yourself and your accomplishments. Sometimes this card shows recovery from an illness or setback. - Enough said. - You nailed it. - I know. - You nailed it. - Usually do. - Pretty much always. - In a reading about money, you can expect financial success. A long-term investment may pay off now or you may receive a raise slash bonus.

43:18 - Arraise like growing. (laughs) - A bonus, like a little, - Like a little grown. - A little grocery, - Gosty growth, - attachment. - In a reading about work, this card can mean getting a promotion, receiving respect for your efforts, or seeing a creative project come to fruition. - Fruition. - Like fruit. - Yeah. - Like a fruit tree. - I'm also gonna take it as this is a reading for us too. - I love it. (laughs) - If you guys want it, you can take it too. - Yeah. (laughs) - Enjoy your well-deserved success.

43:59 - We will. - Okay. - So we'll let you guys know. - So we'll let you guys know. - In a reading about love, the upright six indicates a time of happiness, love, and cooperation in a relationship. If you're seeking a partner, this card offers encouragement for true love. - I think like the trees are looking for a partner in humans. - In humans. - Yeah. - And like we need to love each other and respect each other and treat each other kindly. - Yeah. - Like in a good relationship. - Also, Cassie and Trees sitting in a tree, K-I-S-S-S-I-N-G. - Did anyone realize how ironic it is that I talk about how much I love trees and then also how much I love lumberjacks.

44:43 (laughs) - It's like very, yeah. - Two things can be true. Okay, you contain multitude. - I'm a paradox. - It's okay. - Yeah. - Is that the right use of that word or is that wrong? - I think so. - I learn that word from Taylor Swift. (laughs) (laughs) - Your other true love. (laughs) Okay, I have an extra excerpt. It says, "Card of triumph." The thought-tiro labels, "The Six of Wands Victory." The writer, "Way Smith" Dak shows a triumph at Horseman, writing at the head of a jubilant procession. Salvador Dolly, however, takes a different approach in his deck.

45:27 - It's surprising no one. - Ruler. - You don't say. - 'Cause he was such a straight lady. - Straight lady, she was right. (laughs) - His Horseman rides alone signifying an inner qu- - Wow. - Signifying an inner conquest rather than besting an opponent in the outer world. Hmm. Interesting. - Maybe that's like relating to the Lairona ghost. - Ooh. - Which is he? - That kinda reminds me too. In the card, I was like, "Oh, I think they're flying over water." Oh. Yeah. - I'm not really good at it. - They're cranes. - Or they just up in the clouds or is this water?

46:08 I can't tell. - You know, I think that's interesting because it does sort of seem like it's open to interpretation. - Interesting. - I feel like you could make an argument for either. - 'Cause we did talk about like the Lairona ghost, she's at the river, and then we talked about the ghost boat too. - So it's like you're either up in the trees above the clouds or you're like above the water, and we talked about both those things. - Yeah. - Ain't that cool. - Interesting. Yeah, we might have to put in the caption for this week's tarot, like, "Hey, weigh in. Are they above the clouds or are they above a body of water?" - Yeah. - 'Cause I'm curious how people see that. - Me too. - How they interpret it.

46:49 - Me too. - I wanna know. - I wanna pick your all brains. - Your all creepy brains. - Get in there and pick a rail. - Yeah. - Root around in there. - Yeah. - Like a little bottomy. - It's a little bit nicer. (laughs) - We would never lobotomize you guys. We love you too much. - Yeah. - Okay, tell me a story. - Okay. Success due to strong leadership, victory, and its recognition, praise, confidence, pride. Kind of basically the same. Things that you talked about. - Mm-hmm. - And this is the little story. She wasn't always the leader, but still she felt the weight of responsibility. Knowing her turn would come. When she took the front, she would spread her wings almost siblings.

47:32 (laughs) When she took the front, she would spread her wings wide, shaping the air to ease the passage of the cranes behind her. - Oh. - Oh. - She would read the winds, finding the updrafts and tailwinds that would carry them higher and further despite their fatigue. - It reminds me of how you said all the trees were connected. - That's literally what I was thinking. - The big trees are helping the little growth trees to fix day alive. - Yeah, like a flock could be very similar in a sense to sort of how a network of trees, their roots and how they interact with each other in a way that none of us can even see.

48:16 - Interesting. - I love it. - Nature is so cool. She would scan the ground, seeking the safety and restoration of a hidden pond rich with frogs and snails. (laughs) She would shepherd the formation of cranes to their destination, the warm wetland where they would survive the winter. She would guide them and they would succeed. The crane in front of her pealed off rotating through the rest of the split stream behind. It was her turn to lead now and she took it without hesitation. - Oh, that's so cute. - Yeah, those stories are really fun.

48:56 - I like them. - Yeah. - Yeah. Do you guys like them? - I may know. - Do you guys like trees? - Nobody likes trees as much as you do, I think. - Basically the world's top tree expert. - Yeah. - What's a tree expert called? - A tree expert to man. - Well, tree arborist. - Arborist. - Is that like a tree expert though, or is that just people that trim trees? - I don't know, Google it. We have to know. - A botanist is just stuck in my head. - A botanist is a myth. - And I think it's like all plants. - Well, that's what I was gonna say. I don't think that's right. Oh, I like this.

49:37 Okay. - I'm excited. - An arborist tree surgeon or less commonly, arboriculturist is a professional in the practice of arboriculture, which is the cultivation management and study of individual trees, shrubs, vines, and other perennial woody plants in dendrology and quarter culture. - Nice. - So I thought that arborist referred more so to somebody who does it in like a practical, like a trade sense. - Oh, I see. - Yeah. - Nice. - Okay, so that's right. We already knew the word. - Yeah.

50:17 - You know? - It was rattling around in there. - You know what? We're not just harrots. Okay. - Yeah. - I don't wear hats. So how could it be, you know? - I just bought a hat. I own, I think two hats. - Two hats? - I never wear them. I did wear them when I was like in a car with no top. 'Cause like your hair, so you were riding around in the car top. - Thanks. - And you thought the hat would make it better? - I had two hats and I was like, (laughing) the car had no top. My top was on. Also I had a hat on. But no, I just, 'cause I've been walking and it's been very sunny and I've just been like wearing sunglasses. It's a complaining that the sun is coming through my sunglasses through the top.

51:00 - Oh, yeah, yeah. - What? There has to be an invention. There has to be an invention. - There's too many things to do. - And I was like, why don't I, I literally saw some girl looking real cute walking by me with a hat and I was like, (laughing) that's what people do. - Yeah. I'm sure some people do. Hats typically give me alien head. I don't know. I feel very dissociative when I wear hats. - Yeah. I don't know how it goes. I don't know if I'll be able to keep wearing it, but we're gonna try it 'cause it's a really cute hat. I got two girls one ghost hat. - Woo! - It's a little ghost girl on the front. - Yeah, thank you. - And like it has a little ghosty on the back. - Don't kill them. - So cute.

51:41 - Yeah. They're here with us right now. You really aren't really tall, but in the background I have my TGOG. - Hi, Corinne and Sabrina. - Hi, poster. Yeah. Anyway, well, bunsy's. - Is that all we got? I think we're in so none. - Yeah. - Right? - We're like, we're up. - My little animal bones on my altar. - She has so many bones, you guys. I'm so glad that she brought so many bones for the altar to my house. - I got those from through the veil. It came in like a little sack of bones and your especially like youth like throw them or you like a reach in and pick them out. - Almost like a charm casting type. - Yeah, it's like a creepy charm casting. For sure. - I too have charms.

52:22 - You're very charming. - You're made of zero bones. - I love bones. - I know. - You find bones in the forest. - Yeah. - We talk about the bones of the boat. - True. - Like the bones of the houses that were left behind from the ghost town. - Yeah. - I just like to relate everything back to everything else. - Yeah. Well, I would like to relate this back to when I told you that I had a realization suddenly as we were setting up the altar that, oh, I've never really understood this, but if I really am someone who's a little bit sensitive, maybe it makes sense that I don't really like interacting with bones.

53:07 - Yeah. - 'Cause that has to just carry a lot of energy. And I can't even bring myself to touch bones. It's, I'm very weird about it. And she's just over there like cupping them. Okay, let me, I want to hold it and feel its energy 'cause I haven't really done that. - Mm. - And I was telling Caitlin, I can't remember what kind of school this is. That looks like a snake. - They have skulls? - They have skulls. - I mean, snakes have skulls, but I'm not sure if this was, I don't really prefer-- - I really prefer-- - I really prefer things. I really prefer not to think about anything's bones. So my apologies if that was a stupid suggestion.

53:52 I want you to sit here and you're just comfort with me and think about these bones, Caitlyn. Ooh, ooh, ooh. Have you ever just held bones in your hand before? - No, no, I have not. I can say that I definitely have not. (laughs) - Interesting. - I mean, I think I have, but I don't know. It's just, there's, there's feeling about it. - Yeah. - Because you think it really I pitched sometimes. - Yeah, well, you're excited. - Yeah, it's interesting. - Mm. - Anyway. - Well, I love it for you. - I just feel like it's too intense for me and I'm not even sure exactly why, but I feel like I just got like a little bit of a, of a, I don't know, a pizzeria today.

54:39 When we were setting that up and I was like, I really feel averse to this. And I feel like it makes sense. - And it makes sense that I like it. - Yeah. - Like, 'cause nothing ever. - Even though I'm sensitive, but like in a different way. - Yeah. - Like it doesn't scare me kind of. (laughs) - Well, also I'm the one who gets like the creepy cold feeling in, you know, yeah, it's like, hello. I know you don't wish to speak to me, so I desire nothing more than to carry on a full length conversation with you. - You've had a full length conversation with the ghost. - No. - That's like, first story. - That's just what it feels like every time I have like any sort of, (laughs) like that, I thought we were conversing for ages.

55:24 It's very taxing. It's very, it's been comfortable. - 84 years. - Yeah. - Exactly. All right, well, we can say goodbye here and go move along to our next recording of the day. - Oh, are we gonna record for? - If you want. - Check it. - I'm just kidding. - I'm not in charge. - Wait, who's in charge here? She's like, okay, okay, the bones are in charge. - Great. - Bones are in charge. (laughs) - All right, let's do it. - All right. - Have a creepy ass day. See you next Tuesday.

56:05 - See you next Tuesday. - I won't have bones next time. - Yeah. - Maybe. - No promise. - I will still be sitting here without cupping bones. - Who knows, I might be off in the Redwood Forest, cupping bones, sitting up in the tree, waiting for my lumberjack. (laughs) - I'm gonna, that's the wichiest thing that I can really picture for you. - So, then like, plot twist later, I am the lumberjack. And I save myself. - Wait. Were you needing saving in that scenario? - I don't know, I was up in a tree and I said, waiting for my lumberjack to come save me. - I know, because now I'm like, okay, now I'm picturing her as a kitten.

56:48 So, all right, well. - I mean, all right. (laughs) - All right. - Okay, we can go. - Love it. Bye guys, bye. - You're creepy. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) - She would scan the ground, seeking for safety. And I like skip words like the, an A, all the time, and it's so annoying. - You're like, you're like Kevin from the office. - I, (laughs) - When, thank you. (laughs) - No, you remember the skid I'm loving about. - You're loving the chilly on your carpet. - Oh my God. As long as it's not on my shoes. (laughs) - I'm gonna come Kevin and around with a big bodicellion, spill 'em on your wedding shoe.

57:34 (laughs) - We didn't talk about earlier, where we're like, oh, we can't eat around your shoes. 'Cause I'll probably be the one to spill shit on now. - I was really worried I was gonna spill style addressing something. - I would be. - Yeah. - Also way to bring it back to your shoes. - Yeah, I mean, everything comes back to the shoes. You know what I mean? (laughs)