Nevada City, California: A Ghostly Gold Rush Town

0:00 It made me think like what if every time we're searching for something like a piece of our soul like breaks off and just is like eternally searching for that thing? Okay then how do I have any soul left? Do you? It's like a whore crocs every time like a piece of your soul right? God, you guys! I have no soul left just based on the number of times I couldn't find my keys. Hi Caitlyn. Hi Cassie. Hi creepy people. Hello!

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4:23 Well, who knows? Well, insider tip. Well, should we get into this episode? But I have. I guess so might be a spooky one. We don't know yet. I really like my newly developed like how many scoots system. I think that came about just pretty recently. Like how many legs do I need to have up in the chair. So like, do you want to give it a rating or this one might be like a two or three scooter. Okay. So I mean, I'm not sure we haven't established the highest ranking yet, but I feel like we don't need to yet until we get there. But I'm going to call this a two or three. So like pretty mild pretty mild.

5:12 Oh, okay. We're calling two or three pretty mild because I feel like last last time you said like one and a half. It was a one. No, it was like a one one. Okay. Yeah. And you did a one. You did a one scoop. So. Okay. I feel like today already feels like a three scoop just before you even start. So yeah. All right. All right. Well, let's get going. All right. Today we're talking about Nevada city, California. So it's a little bit of a trickery there. Yeah, that's not confusing at all. She's like Nevada. That's not P and W. I mean, we'll take her. But it is in northern California. So technically it is specific Northwest. We think it's about an hour northeast of Sacramento. Okay. Okay.

6:06 You know what's really funny. You remember last time I was like Damascus. It's yeah, it's Northwest, Northwest Southwest Southwest, deportment. I kept saying Southwest and I looked at the fucking map. And I was like, yeah, Southwest, Southwest. It was totally Southeast. Oh, no. I was like, my brain was just doing that left right thing where it's like I'm left like very confidently. But like I mean, right. So yeah, no, I mean, I don't like there. Yeah. Perfect. The magic editing. And I was like, Taylin, please cut this out. So I don't look like an idiot. But this time I'm confident it is Northeast of Sacramento. It's in the Sierra Nevada mountain range.

6:53 And did you know that Nevada means snow covered in Spanish? Really? Yeah. That is not weird. Yes, because that's not an association that I make with Nevada. Not at all. Not at all. But like it does make sense with this because Sierra Nevada means like snow covered mountain range. Okay. So they just named the state Nevada wrong. That's all. Yeah, I would say the town got its first settlers in 1849. And many, many more after that because it was the gold rush days. Everyone is rushing to the West. To pan for gold. Some even got their via the same pass as the Donner party. No, no.

7:41 So like it was not easy to get there, you know, I'm scooting. I'm not going to talk anymore about that because that's like for some reason it makes me so sad. And they were like they had some pictures. Yeah. It's so awful. And even just like I had never seen really pictures of the Donner pass. And like I come across them. And I just like looked at it and just got like so sad. Well, yeah. I just like felt it. Like how awful. I mean, yeah, there's not a lot of things that you can imagine that are worse than some of that. Anyway, it's moving on. I got really cold. I mean, need to grab a blanky. So even though it's like kind of hard to get there, everyone had to kind of migrate and a great travel really, really far.

8:31 It was the best mining town in California. So everyone wanted to be there. I feel like that saying something at that point. Yeah, right. Because there was a lot of them. Oh, yeah. I think really all throughout the Pacific Northwest. California was definitely like the hotbed. I came across an interesting tidbit. And this is the one I was kind of like hinting at to you with our conversation. I was like, three recording Northern California had a four in minors tax. And this was because a lot of Chinese and Hispanic people were coming to look for gold as well. And saw the white people were like, Hey, that's not fair. That's our gold. We stole this land. Yeah. Yeah, go steal your own. Yeah, exactly. So they're like, let's, let's just tax the shit out of them.

9:24 And originally it was $20 a month, which is like absolutely insane for back then. It was $809 now. Wow. They did later very kindly, very kindly lower it to about three to four dollars, which is still $121, $211 now. Well, and I'm assuming that because it's like a monthly tax, I'm assuming that that means we're not basing that on whether or not you're actually successfully mining right gold. So it's like you're paying that regardless. So that that just feels particularly punitive. Yeah. I mean, it's all like just Iki. I wanted to point it out, but I feel like if anything, why wouldn't they just like take a percentage of it?

10:14 But I think they just wanted to discourage that many people coming. Yeah, that's true. Because they feel like the percentage may have been the thing that paid better in the long run. But it would, if you take like a monthly fee on the front end, that discourages people from even getting established. Yeah. So you have to, I think you do have to kind of look at like what was the motivation behind it? And it makes sense. I think that. Yeah. And then like what did they have to do to get the money to even start like that so much money? Exactly. Yeah. They have to like pay for room and board and food and.

10:54 And then you're in a new town like that's it's just so fucked up. Yeah, so fucked up. So we I just had to start off this episode right. Excellent. So this like I said was a very important town and it needed a very important place for it's very important people to stay. So first, revisiting the national exchange hotel, which I think they some people just call it the national hotel. Oh, okay. It just seems like an odd name. Yeah. Like the national exchange like it sounds like a like a trading post.

11:34 Kind of. Yeah. I think though I think when they when it first opened it kind of did do a lot of stuff like I think they said it had a post office and stuff in it. So maybe it was more of like a hub for a bunch of different things, not just a hotel. So that kind of makes sense. Maybe that makes more sense then. And it's like the 1800s on they said weird shit back then. All that weird stuff. So opened in 1856. And the hotel is still open now. It's a California historical landmark and listed on the national register of historic places. How many times have I said that? I don't know. You know if I had a nickel. Yeah.

12:14 And it is like one of the oldest hotels in California. If not the oldest, I think some places said it was the oldest. Yeah. Like one of the one of the articles that it was like the oldest on this side of the Mississippi. Oh, I love it when we get to say things are something on either side of the Mississippi. Right. Is that funny? I love that. I don't know why that it really. It really jazzes me up. So it's really cute on the front of their website. It says last night I dreamt I was at the national hotel. Oh, that is cute. So cute. I was like, OK, I want to stay here just because of that little quote on their website.

12:57 Yeah, it's been renovated several times. It's really old. And they found like beautiful rooms that had been boarded off for some reason, which is always really creepy when rooms are just boarded off. Yeah, I don't I don't care for that. I feel like that's. No. Yeah. I feel like even if it's not for like a specific reason. Like maybe they just weren't using it or whatever. But I feel like energy just like gets trapped in there and just sit in there and it's just it gets weird. I don't know. OK, first of all, I don't buy that a particular room of a hotel is just getting boarded up for for no particular reason. Like no, no.

13:39 Like they did a lot of rent like a lot of different render renovations. Renewed on it. Renewations. They did a lot of different renovations on it. So I don't know. I really don't know. I didn't find anything that explained, but it's just creepy. And I wanted to point that out. That is creepy. Yeah, because they I think they said one of them was like one of the balcony rooms or like room with a veranda. What's a veranda? That's like a balcony. Yeah, it's like a bigger balcony typically. Yeah, so like, why would you board that off? Did someone that's you know why you know why? But now after the most recent renovation.

14:20 Quote the property now provides guests with a luxurious day that combines contemporary comfort with Victorian charm. That's quote from the site. Yes, please. Yeah, this definitely Victorian era so that you're gonna hear me say Victorian era a lot. And you know, now I know what that means. So it actually means something to me. Yes. I'm all about that. So the people staying at this hotel were businessmen, mine owners and like casually president Herbert Hoover. Who who who who do ver who who who who who who who who? Is he a bad one?

15:02 Ah, I don't think he's one that's associated Typically with like anything to Narnar. I don't know a president stayed there so like obviously it was a big deal You know, honestly if you look hard enough any one of our presidents. You're gonna find yeah, I mean He's obviously like there's the Hoover Dam. So he's you know, there's an association there with job creation and Of course, you know that that he he did the damn thing. Yeah Exactly. Yeah, I mean job creation as a president Typically like that does well with voters and Speaking of job creation. It's interesting you mentioned that because they even think this is where talks of the PG&E were started Really in room 314 So they have like even a specific room number and that is of course the Pacific Gas and Electric Company serving millions of Northern Californians. So very important stuff Yeah, job creation definitely definitely and you know, maybe creating some other things the bad things explosions Explosions fires You know, but electricity at what cost just for aspires Well, thank the national hotel for that It's not their fault that these you know businessmen who were into like that kind of business

16:36 Meth there so yeah in that same room 314 I guess woke up in the middle of the night and saw some business looking men of that era Like that late 1800s smoking cigars and they look like they were talking excitedly about something So you know possibly having a meeting possibly just some locker room talk. Oh, we don't know. Yeah Well, I'm creepy. It was in like happening in her room if I just woke up to see if I'm a man in my room I'd be freaked out Yeah, and anything that is described as like locker room talk I mean no one's No one said that I was just like assuming you're at Talking excitedly about something that doesn't mean it was something good, you know Yeah, not necessarily but the fact that they did have like these kind of business meetings in that room So maybe they were just they left their impression of their you know exciting new business mentor. Yeah That's that's an interesting thought There is a white lady Of course That's my favorite joke. I think you did it There was a white lady and you were like So now every time I hear that I'm like I think it's important to distinguish between white lady and lady in white

18:06 Right, but they do frequently call like a lady in white just they refer to it as white lady So I just think it's so funny. I love to make that joke Like listen these can mean a lot of different things. This can be like a frequent reoccurring haunt this could be a Karen this could be a bride it could be a combination of all three So this scary Karen was not So anyway this lady in white she roams the halls in that classic Victorian hairstyle with the classic Victorian dress But her dress has a yellow sash which I think is like a really cute detail. Oh Yeah, so it makes me think sometimes we think of white ladies and we think oh, they're like a ghost So like they're just all white and like see through Right, right and not just like specifically wearing a white dress But I think this is like a person just wearing a like an actual white dress with a yellow sash because the sash is yellow so There's some little pop of color in there. I was just gonna say a little dash of color Besides her yellow sash people also smell her perfume Oh, which I love when there's like a smell in the haunting I'm realizing now I don't know if I sprayed my perfume this morning. Oh I usually put it like some in my hair So I stick it good You have to remember that for when you're a ghost make sure to bring your perfume. Oh god

19:39 One article too called a cheap perfume and I'm like oh That's rude. Why would this fancy lady Victorian air lady wear cheap perfume? I just it didn't make sense to me Also wasn't everything that wasn't literally just a bare essential Like expensive fact that right? It's like Define cheap perfume. Yeah, I mean like maybe nowadays it would be considered like Something cheaper smelling because like they have so many different sense now that are just all crazy But I don't know. I feel like to sometimes people describe it as cheap if they If they just don't like the smell of it. Yeah. Yeah, I'm like that doesn't that doesn't mean as cheap bitch Yeah, I mean, I don't feel that just because you don't like something that that means you need to assign a specific monetary value to it. Yeah Like I've had perfume that's not expensive but smells good Yeah, and not all expensive perfume smells good. I know For some reason a lot of people have left rooms 208 and 209 in the middle of the night And I guess this is like their presidential suite. So I imagine it's like not cheap So to be leaving in the middle of the night Like something's going down something's going down and I couldn't find anything that specifically was saying What was happening?

21:07 But I know there were a ton of renovations in those rooms specifically They did mention that so maybe it was just something was not happy with all of the change. I don't know That would make sense. I feel like maybe you should go and stay there and just see what happens, you know I would love to Okay, I would love to Write to me There is another spirit here that kind of sounds like a child to me. Oh, I think they did I did find something later that does say it's a child but like this specific article I was reading Doesn't say it's a child, but I'm going to read you what they do and you're going to be like oh, that's for sure kid Oh, it's like kind of weird because they don't specifically say it at first. So I'm like kind of picturing an adult Oh, okay, that's I don't know which is worse It would be creepier as an adult. So her name is Elizabeth and people will see her playing with a ball Or a jump bro or writing her little tricycle Okay, I take a fact it's way worse as an adult Because I see like an adult on a kid's size tricycle and like the spider needs going down Unless it's somebody like my size and they can actually ride the tricycle comfortably Maybe it is maybe it's just the cat-lin sized adult. I don't play with a little ball and a jump rope and writing a little tricycle Oh my god. I don't even think I can write a tricycle comfortably. So yeah, I haven't tried it on a while

22:40 Yeah, like I was a nanny so that's not weird for me to have tried to write a tricycle like In my adult life, but it's been a minute Immediately defensive take note take note I'm just out there on the streets like stealing little kids tricycles and writing Oh boy Also part of her legend is that she had passed in room 411 of the mumps 411 in room 411. Yeah, I don't know how many honestly okay This is probably bad. I forgot to look up like how many stories in rooms this had but I'm not about to go do it right now But it's a pretty big it's pretty big hotel. Yeah I am just noting that 411 because I don't know Maybe people don't say this very much anymore, but you I You've heard the phrase give me like the 411 Oh, yeah, yeah, the 411 is that she passed and oh Oh, no, 411. I don't like it. I know it's really sad for me too because like a kid like passing in a hotel That just seems like extra sad to me I don't know. I don't know if it's true. It's all like a legend. So I really don't know if this actually happened Um, obviously, I don't think they were vaccinating back then In the 1800s. Yeah, the guy on the vaccines came around, but I can imagine that not that far back No So she's seen all over the hotel and even in the hotels restaurant, which is named

24:15 Lola Ooh, and this is actually after someone very specific The restaurant is named after Lola Montez who was a self-proclaimed Spanish dancer. Oh, I was gonna say was it Lola She was a show girl right? No, is that song named? I don't know if I thought song is about her Well, let me go on with this and then we can decide if we think that song is about her not okay But she was a self-proclaimed Spanish dancer because she was born in Ireland as Eliza Gilbert She had a long and interesting life In between being born and the time that she made it over to California But by that time she was known as Lola the Spanish dancer Oh, okay, and she was known for doing You're gonna fuck you Nate this. I'm sorry. I forgot about this part and now I'm like wait this might be like a five scooter Great. I literally can't wait. I literally can't wait. I'm so excited So she was known for doing her spider dance And she would basically act like spiders were crawling up her legs and she would like stop in like flinger skirts Around like trying to get them off of her but like in a dancing way. Oh like Emma Stone in the you know that

25:47 Yeah, she does like a spidery look and dance. Oh fuck what is that? Oh, is that the new the newer movie that she's in the weird one? Yeah That's what I remember that part, but oh my gosh. No, I want to go watch that. I really want to watch that too So she would do this dance to Italian folk music called tarantella. Oh and it's like literally what you think of when you think of Italian music Okay, let me send this to you. Okay, it's like you think of like an accordion Yes, yeah, I'm picturing an accordion, but also at the same time it's sort of giving me like it's almost got like a Von Trap meets like uh Conquista door isn't quite the right word, but they've got like the red skirt like who's the guy uh Who's the guy that tries to get the bowls to charge That that Matador oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, what you say it. I'm like oh yeah It looks like it looks like a costume All of these dancers in this like example song is that they look like they're wearing like a A sweet dish made like a milk made type outfit, but the skirt is red like and it's giving Matador Yeah, I feel like I'm very culturally confused right well, I feel like this like this Italian type of music and like some Spanish music are very similar I yeah, I would imagine so there's influence because they're you know, it's kind of history

27:22 Well, well history, but also just proximity. I thought it was interesting to that She calls herself a Spanish dancer and then uses this like Italian song But like has like Spanish feel vibe to it. Yeah, and I don't know specifically that she was saying like this spider dance specifically was Spanish I just think she really like she kind of dressed like She was kind of like cultural appropriating like she that was like trying to pass off Yeah, her name with like her look That she was actually I'm gonna show you photo. I mean she could very easily pass as Spanish, French uh, I mean a lot of cultural identities in in that region. I think and obviously I don't think she meant it in like a malicious way She just kind she like I said she had a very interesting life So I feel like she kind of just want to like reinvent herself go do something new and fun So like when I say she was like cultural appropriating like nowadays if like a white Irish lady were to Call herself Lola Montez and dress like Spanish and color herself a Spanish dancer. That would be very very different a little dice Yeah back then you know, I mean that's what it is. That's why I'm not doing it personally As a white baby. Yeah Why do you think I dyed my hair bro

28:54 Um, I'm looking at a picture of her right now that is Like the very typical It like I think the kids today now would say she's like snatched I'm in it. I'm gonna send it She's good looking Well, and I'm talking very you'll as soon as you see this you'll you'll know exactly what I'm talking about Yes, yeah I'm like she would say be saying yeah, yeah, oh my god the waist though Oh my god, that's what I'm saying snatched and you know that's not that is all corset like that cannot be photoshop because right All the days So anyway back to like the song and dance thing back to the spiders Cuz you know I was like I need to know more about this spider thing I was like tarantella that sounds like really close to tarantula That's weird Wouldn't you know it's not that weird It totally is it does mean tarantula and Now this dance is kind of seen as a couple of stands, but originally it was it was known as the dance of the spider And tarantella comes from an Italian word tarantola, which is clearly it's tarantula, right?

30:16 Oh my god a couple's dances like spiders Yeah, it used to be so there's a really crazy reason This song exists Okay In southern Italy people believed there were tarantulas that would cause a person to fall into fits of hysteria if bitten And it caused a strong urge to dance And I assume I assume they mean like uncontrolled like movements I don't think they were like waltzing or like doing like TikTok dances the fox strut But they thought they could cure this by dancing the tarantella So they would have this person dance Oh they were like wildly dancing and then they would kind of like start to follow the beat and like the rhythm of the tarantella And then eventually they would like sweat it out or whatever and This to my knowledge, this is something they believed this is not like actually something that the That it caused I don't know Doesn't sound super scientific if I'm being honest. Yeah, so But that's what they believed and that's why the song exists All right, yeah, so eventually I don't know when it changed to be like a couple's type of dance, but Then interesting. Okay, so I like I just have to talk about Miss Lola Montez a little bit longer because I just like can't leave her alone. She's so fascinating She was a spicy lady and

31:48 There's like two more super cool things about her. I literally couldn't help myself so She had a lot of pets and one of them was a bear that she walked on a leash A bear I don't know if it was like a little cub Oh like an actual bear I mean, I have to assume Probably not a full grown bear. I hope it was like a little cute cub But then like what if it grew into like a big bear and she still walked on a leash. I mean, I feel like I don't know. I have to I have to try not to look at this through like a modern lens I guess because I don't think that probably a bear wants to be locked like walked on a leash like a dog But if you find him like a little baby. I don't know. It's not it. I'm not saying it's like right But it's so cute and interesting and we have like this weird bear theme running through our episodes I saw that and of course I was like okay if anything mentions a bear like I got to mention it Yes, just a bear Exactly. There's one more thing about Lola. I have to mention. It's like the spicy part of her. Oh So she wrote a couple of things and I feel like I want to get this and read it for like a patreon bonus One of the things she wrote is titled the arts of beauty colon or secrets of a lady's toilet with hints to gentleman on the art of fascinating Oh my god what

33:20 I know Lola. I have to read this. I really want to know what this like I have to I think we can buy it girl you know I'm gonna you know I'm gonna the secrets of a lady's toilet Coming to a patreon bonus near you I'm so excited. I love it Okay, so we might be hearing more from Lola in the future Might be that sounds pretty non-committal and I am pretty committed Okay, so I made the spider thing better. Okay, maybe we'll see Okay, we're gonna move on There's a couple of other buildings in town we need to stop and visit And the first of those is firehouse number one Now the Nevada County Historical Society Museum And it's said to be pretty haunted Stay haunted. I don't know why I said it like that But I felt like being annoying so I did it. I mean because it's fun because it's fun There's only there's only so many times I can say a place is haunted I'd got him like have some variety in my life. Okay, let's try So the firehouse was built in 1861 and it ran for 80 years It became a museum in 1947. Wow, so I'm not sure if it sat empty for those six years or if they had to like repair some things Remodel get ready for it to become a museum. I'm not really sure. I mean, it's an old building. So I would imagine

34:57 You know fair to say it could be due for some repairs or you know bring it it up To code for just like the general public They're probably trying to like decommission the fire poles that people aren't Slide down that yeah, they're like this is a museum. Okay Yeah, I feel like that's that's a decent time frame to like do remodeling and to like set up an entire museum where it used to not be a museum So like it like Yeah, so I feel like that's hopefully it didn't just sit empty and creepy, but I'm gonna send you like the Google image search So you could just like kind of see what it looks like and we're gonna talk about it. So it's really cool I want to live there So it's this white building and it's described as gingerbread Victorian architecture and I was like Oh my god This is the cutest thing and I was it is gingerbread architecture like a real thing. Yeah, and it total it totally is I had no idea So it was a popular thing in this era to decorate homes with elaborate trim like you would like kind of decorate with icing a gingerbread house Which is that a bell tower?

36:11 Yeah, so the building definitely has that decorative trim and the most stunning thing about it The bell tower So I think it's two stories and then it has a bell tower on top Oh my god this picture of it from like just down the street I'm dead Yeah, it's so it's so guys I'm moving to Nevada, California Nevada city I know I said Nevada, California, Nevada city You know what I'm moving She's moving, she's getting out of here The only thing like like kind of Interesting about it is it's a really small building and it's kind of smashed in between this row of other mismatched buildings Yeah, this looks like It looks it's it's very confusing because I feel like right next to it like you can see there's a mainstream Antiques which I feel like is found on every mainstream in every state in the entirety of the United States And then it's like this looks like almost like an 1860s like general store Hmm, it just smashed in there between them all smashed straight They're all like it's this white building so sticks out like a a thore thumb a thore thumb and then the other buildings are like blue and like And yeah, it's weird It is beautiful and I would happily live smashed between the antique and general store

37:47 Hmm, I have a new dream, okay, I feel like this is me like Michael Scotting I This is my dream since lunch Well, I might crush your You're very recent dreams or According to one of the past museum directors Haunt tanks were a very common occurrence. I mean like every day It wouldn't be the first place I've lived That's true You know, I'll tell you about it and you can decide if you can handle it or not, okay So people hear footsteps when no one is around Unexplained cold spots and cabinet doors constantly opening after being closed But it's not just like slowly creeping open. They were described as flying open. Oh, I don't love that Okay, so I was adjusting my headphones if you're watching on like YouTube or um I thought about just taking them off so that you wouldn't ruin this for me A dream that I've had for like 10 minutes I'm ruining it all There's an organ in the museum that is supposedly from a brothel And people have seen a woman in a Victorian dress with red hair playing it Okay, so she seems pretty cool She's right here

39:18 You know playing the organ Of famously the coolest instrument to play it's pretty cool. It's pretty cool that they have an organ like I feel like those are not very common right but like On top of that how common is it for an organ to have been present in a brothel? Yeah, I don't know like did the brothel double as if you're home It's I was it's funny because I was thinking the same thing really and then another another article Though also referred to it as just a piano. So I'm like, well, was it a piano or was it an organ? But that article didn't seem like it had legit info in it. So I don't know So I called it an organ But it could be maybe we'll have to call the museum because they'll know Oh Okay, okay, so do you have an organ or a piano?

40:13 Is there any way that we can text or email them? You know how I feel about making phone calls Yeah, we might I might be able to okay. I like to do the Doing the phone call though for that kind of thing because it's like well They have the option to not email you back but if I'm a phone. That's true. You know Unless they just hang up on you which I Hope they would never listen. They they run a museum in a gingerbread house I would hope they would never hang up on anyone. They probably wouldn't they probably they would probably love to answer questions They have a historical museum. So I feel like if anyone's interested in the historical items They would like be down to answer questions, but I don't know. Maybe I'll call some day. We'll see stay tuned. All right I'll be here Uh, so they've also seen this woman with the red hair standing in the second floor window like peering out as well Oh I think people see her from like the outside so they they'll like see her up in the window. Yeah There is another woman described with the same type of clothing They don't specifically say she has red hair, but she likes to go through the cabinets And I also don't know if it's the same one that would make the cabinets fly open I was if she's like Going through them and someone close them. She's like hey, how's going through those? What are you doing? I'm in here busy

41:44 Trying to get supper ready Yeah, so also it made me think of like this really weird thought and Go on We've heard this a couple of times where I think it was like when we stayed at the lighthouse There was a woman that went through like the cabinets and stuff there. I think that was one of the things that happened That sounds vaguely familiar. Yeah, it made me think like what if every time we're searching for something like a piece of our soul like breaks off And just as like eternally searching for that thing Okay, then how do I have any soul left? Do you mean It's like a whore crook so every time like a piece of your soul right?

42:30 God you guys I have no soul left just based on the number of times I couldn't find my keys I mean it makes sense to me. I feel like when I'm looking for something I'm in a like a like an altered state Yes, I were meditating or something. Yeah So like very interesting like panic meditation. Yeah And I feel like I have a lot of dreams too. We're just like in that state like where you're like looking like the panic meditation We just like feel like you're looking for something that you can't find So I feel like what if I'm dreaming about that but like a piece of my soul is actually still doing that and then like a hundred years from now Someone is gonna see me looking for something Oh my god, I'm gonna be such a creepy bitch. What is time?

43:16 Can you imagine the number of places that my ADHD ass has just been like It also makes me think of too like when someone walks into a room and like forgets why they walked in there Like what if because there's a lot of ghost stories where like a ghost will just like walk into a room and disappear or something random like that like what if those are just like pieces of us lingering Okay, well now I feel like you're specifically targeting me It's me too. I get it. That's why I bring it up. So I understand it That's yeah, that's an interesting thought Do you have any idea how many times that's already happened to me today?

44:03 Yeah, probably a lot I also love home like that was an interesting thought and it was like my own thought Hey listen, we're not above being intrigued by our own shower thoughts, okay? I'm the most interesting person I know I have a running list of those shower thoughts. Oh thank god We're gonna need them. They're gonna be fun when they come out because they're very weird So then there's this old lady who sits in a rocking chair and I know how you feel about old ladies and rocking chairs as well I don't I don't I don't love it. I don't love it But she is described as pleasant so I think she's just chilling. She's just living her best afterlife um Has anyone considered asking her to relocate to a less creepy chair?

45:09 I wouldn't want to ask an old lady to relocate anywhere. That is just you just you just leave them be let them lie where they lie Okay, just let her just let her be in a rocking chair So if you lived then that would be something you would have to deal with right yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, or if you were already scooted so far back up into your chair that there was there was no more Goudage room Then then you might be at sort of an impasse I don't know this might be your limit though that might not even scotch the surface Last and maybe littlest but not least a boy with a boy with blonde hair frequency building with Sense of bay rome cologne and talcum powder accompanying him I'm sorry. Did you say bay rum? I said bay rum cologne and that's a very specific like as in drinking rum down on the dock of the bay I I don't think so this is actually so I Bay rum it's spelled like bay rum two separate words and I asked google. I was like okay. I've never heard of this what does bay rum cologne smell like and this is what the AI told me oh All right, bay rum cologne typically smells like spicy warm and slightly sweet blend of herbs and spices

46:44 With prominent notes of west Indian bay leaf clothes cinnamon and sometimes citrus giving off a distinctly masculine and tropical vibe often associated with classic barber shops. It is not actually like the smell of rum itself But rather the essence of bay leaf combined with other aromac ingredients Okay, so I was gonna say it's giving old spice Hmm and it did say it's different from old spice. I did she want one thing that was like it is no Well no old spice doesn't even like old spice has like 87 different scents now. Yeah So I think the the biggest thing is like the the west Indian bay leaf is in like the clove and citrus and stuff Also, I said aromac and I meant to say aromatic aromatic aromatic. I think I said aromac, which is not a word but aromatic Allegedly, but I thought that was a pretty good description of like what a the AI came up with is like what this cologne No, it's like okay. Thank you because that's a very specific smell. It is I feel like that description tells you everything you need to know Yeah, and now I'm deeply deeply afraid And why is this little boy though wearing cologne, but he also smells like like baby powder. That's what talcum powder is right Ah, I mean It's not anymore, but I think right. I think those things used to be yes at largely interchangeable

48:15 And I assume it had a scent Because like if it was unscented, why would they even say it smelled like talcum powder so Right. Yeah, things that are unscented then describing them as having a scent. Yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I assume like baby powder-ish smell But that also kind of makes sense is there there's this like random cast of characters in this one building Because it's a museum with like a lot of different antiques, so I don't think these people came with the building I think they came with like the museum antiques Oh Like they're like attached to the specific like artifacts, you mean? I think so yeah, okay, that makes sense Because like the old lady in a rocking chair, the woman playing this organ supposedly from a brothel The little boy, I'm not sure where he came from it could have been anything But I also didn't see that there was any like fireman spirits around and there totally could be I just and that's a damn shame I know right I'm like can we get some firemen up in you?

49:18 Like a firehouse. Can you imagine an old tiny fireman? I just picture them with an axe Oh, because I'm like all old firemen used to carry axes, right? I mean presumably I'm just trying to like put the lumberjack image on that She's like listen, we said we were nasty at the top, so we warned you We have another gingerbread house in town It is called the red castle in and it was built in 1860 Isn't it the cutest? I want you to scroll and you're gonna look at some of the pics and then Does it have a dollhouse of itself?

50:02 Well hold on we're gonna talk about that in a minute So First off, it's it's called the red castle in so like the building is a bread But it has the white like gingerbread trim so it really looks like it's frosting It really does Like frosting trim and it's kind of like on the on the roof it kind of like dripping down to like you would do Like icicles yeah, it's so freaking cute Oh and like just the shape of the windows I love this place We're going through these about do you see the one? So we're looking at the inside down the inside is like very interesting the walls look pink I'm not sure if they're red or if they're supposed to be pink They're definitely like a pinkish color that was of the time for sure There's one that looks like the window is like below part of the room Do you see that picture it looks so weird to me?

50:57 I don't understand and I can't you can't really like make it bigger bigger I guess we just have to go to my new house Well actually it's closed which is very sad I feel like you're taking me on the worst zelo tour I know I was really sad when I found out that this one was closed because it's so beautiful And I'll talk I'll talk about it in a little bit too I'll talk more about it but is it closed because they're preparing for me to move in? Yeah I don't know I really don't know why they're actually closed It's a pity You did scroll down and you did mention what looks like a dollhouse Yes And I have some information on this so in this little blog post that we're looking at They have amazing pictures. It was called gold country girls They do like blogs They do like blogs We can cut that part out No leave it I'll do like a playground care flip I don't know why I said it like that but um So this is called it's a little like replica of the red castle in And in this blog post they called it ghost ghost house Which I thought was like interesting and I was like what's a ghost house I look it up So these are miniature wooden rec replicas of real historic houses And they're made by Sheila Thompson in the 90s

52:30 And this is like the 1990s not the 1890s because I know we were talking about like the 1800s So don't get confused Okay, I mean I was but now I'm good So if you go to that site I sent you It just shows like kind of better photos of what these things actually are So they're really really small and So cute Yeah, they're just like little wooden kind of they're kind of like 3D almost But not quite and they actually all of them have like little hidden skeleton keys Like in the artwork That's how you know it's like an original because she would hide like little keys and in all of them Are you seeing like the other ones? They're so cute. Oh my god Oh, I was like it's like a wears Waldo type of thing I must have it And then written on the back of these is all kinds of the info about the The house that it was Representing or the house. It was ghosting This one this one looks like um Um, oh god Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, the one we went to with Christina that was on ghost Other man rasa. Yes It could be it looks like the man rasa It could be they they had one of like the Winchester mystery house. Oh Yeah, there's a bunch of cool ones and I don't they're like on eBay still now I don't think they're that expensive I guess it might depend on like which house it is But so we should like get one of each all of them We should we should look I really it makes me want to go and teaking because I found

54:00 So many cool like old weird antique things just like doing research for the podcast and I'm like it makes me feel like I would be like a better antique or because I would go and like Look at something I'm like, oh, I know what this is Oh my god, I want them all I need them really can find out why they were called ghost houses though And I mean like maybe for like the obvious reason because it was like kind of like a shadow of the home Like it's just like a little piece of it's a little piece of the house's soul Ah, I don't think it a bad way. I don't think that would but I don't think it has to be in a bad way But anyway, so that was cool like why are they called ghost houses though? I want to know and it took me forever to get Search it because I searched Ghost houses and it was like All these haunted houses paranormal hot and like that's not what I'm looking for Are you sure though?

54:53 So yeah, so this place is now sadly closed and I don't know what they plan to do with it I I can look it up. I didn't because I just like didn't have time to keep going into stuff. I'm on page nine So my gosh But I do know it's closed and It is a historical house too. It's like the oldest brick home in Nevada city So I feel like it has and it's gorgeous like why would you I hope they do something with it She's beautiful. Maybe it's just a private residence now It could be I actually I didn't I really didn't google it because I was like I there's more stuff I need to talk about but This is a paranormal podcast. I don't need to keep going into who owns homes here like I did last episode I know probably some other nerd egg you want about that. I don't know whatever. I mean I I do want to know But I did watch a YouTube story There's like a new story about it and it was posted on YouTube 15 years ago But the footage looks really old so it looks like it could be older than 15 years old like it ran as a new story Oh, and in it the the owners are in it and they look really old so my assumption is they just like passed away and the house changed Oh, and that like they no longer because they ran the end for a little while and Uh So the owners at the time are in this new story and He says it's a husband and wife and so the husband says when they first got the building

56:27 They would just get like kind of odd feelings about it like not bad just kind of like weird Okay, oh probably like ooh like something watching me or yeah, just like that kind of feeling And escalated into like a bunch of stuff being misplaced like they would leave something somewhere And all the sudden it would be like in a different spot Which is very common for hauntings too. Okay. I feel like that is one of the cruelest ways to haunt someone It's like gaslighting. Yeah, I feel like we've talked about this Yes, that's exactly what I was gonna say. I literally feel completely crazy. I'm like is it a ghost?

57:07 Am I throwing my own belongings away? Yeah And how can you know to like exactly? It's Unknowable and I know a thing I hear a noble thing. I hate everything that's unknowable And they have this super cute courtyard. It's like a little like garden They call it the garden area, but looks like a little courtyard like it has a couple benches And he said he was out there one night and he heard a bugle being played from inside the house Which is like I had to look up what a bugle was. It's a brass instrument similar to a Trumpet a trumpet. Yeah, I was trying to say tunnel and I don't know why A brass instrument similar to a trumpet and So he was hearing that yeah He was hearing that coming from like inside the house and that's like I think it said one of the instruments they use for like military stuff I was doing trumpet things. I don't know what I mean The rusty trombone Don't earn a dictionary that kids So anyway, here's this rusty trombone playing from inside the house and he's like what the fuck?

58:29 I mean the bugle Oh, it's all like the chip that you put on your fingers the bugles Yeah, bugles are yeah, it's that why it's called like a bugle Is why what I know because of like the instrument. I don't know because it look it has like that horn it that horn shape. Oh maybe shower thoughts But he's like okay, no one inside is like playing a bugle like what is happening but he goes and looks anyway and like nobody's there And then he hears a story later about how the original owner son like to play his bugle up on the balcony I was gonna say was he a bugle boy He was a bugle boy and he liked they said How did they put it in the video?

59:19 He liked to I don't know how they put it a really weird way in the video like he liked to put on the town or something like that And they meant like he'd like to like go up and like serenade the town with those bugle because he would do it on the balcony Well, yeah, I mean if you you know if you're doing it out on your balcony and it's a fucking bugle so yeah This is weird is it was weird the way they worded it though Yeah, I wish I could remember the specific I don't have the YouTube video right in front of me now so that's neither here nor there Oh neither here nor there But then he says one time he saw someone with a long gray skirt Kind of like walking into another room so he was like in a room I think he saw out of like the corner of his eye He said he saw like the flash of Someone's skirt like going into different room Okay, so he called out to his wife thinking it was her And she answered from the floor above So it's clearly she was not on the same floor as him and did not just walk into the other room. Do they have a daughter?

1:00:29 No Yeah, and I think if they had had guests or whatever they would have maybe mentioned that but yeah, I think no nobody was there Maybe they forgot maybe maybe they forgot Totally totally Totally the small town with probably not a lot of guests in the hotel these two people taking care of the inn They forget about a guest right I'm so cold and itchy right now I'm just It was kind of like a bed and breakfast so like they would know I think if they had guests probably probably Not like a standard like hotel where there's just like a bunch of guests and you don't know you know You don't know who's who this is like a smaller type deal So this is apparently known as the gray lady And they think she is a nanny that used to look after the original owners 11 kids Jesus Christ that's It's a lot of kids seven of them were adopted So like it's still a lot of kids, but like at least you know, she wasn't pushing 11 of them out or cooter, you know I just yeah, that's that's a lot. I don't like your odds Um in this era of like surviving childbirth 11 times. Yeah. Yeah So only four four

1:02:01 Yeah, four of them were that's still a lot That's a lot My dad is one of eight So many it does kind of make sense though like why they built because this was originally built as a family home So now it like kind of makes sense why they needed such a big house with so many rooms that now it can be an in yeah Uh Because they have a literal gaggle of children Yeah, so like 13 people theoretically like plus a nanny and like whoever who knows how many other like Mades and stuff I mean had so I would hope you have a live in nanny with a live in children So they did but sadly the nanny passed away very suddenly and they think that she like might not have wanted to leave the kids Because they were all very close. I know it's really sad Um they they said that they all loved each other Well, that's so sad Yeah, I know so she like stuck around to like kind of look after them But now obviously all the kids are gone. It's decade what is it decades later? Yeah, how long is the decade? I don't know 10 years Okay, yeah, it's decades later. Famously 10 years long Uh, not just a hat right Now she'll like kind of well back before it was closed obviously this was when it was running as an in but she would kind of check on and care for the guests as if they were the children

1:03:42 Oh, that's so so It is very sweet so she would come and like you know middle of the night like sit on the end of your bed Okay, well, that's over over you watching you sleep No, I could she might even gently brush a hand over your forehead as if she's like Checking for a fever. Maybe she's just you know like all so cute Bitch unless that gets rid of wrinkles you better get your cold dead hands off me She's just trying to you know be there is comfort sweet stuff sweet stuff I knew I would get you with that I I do think the intentions are sweet, but it is creepy to have someone come and sit on the end of your bed I mean or have her over you or touch your forehead in the night I listen You know how I feel about unsolicited touch Yeah Yeah But she's manny she just her Her goal in life and afterlife is to care for other people so you get it even my mom will tell you If you're gonna go in for the hog you better say I'm I'm gonna hug you I always go are you a hugger? I'm a hugger. Are you a hugger if you're not you're telling me right now because I'm coming in And I'm like hey, I'm not normally like a super huggy person, but when somebody's like I'm a hogger

1:05:12 Do you want a hog and I'm like Okay You can't say no No, I usually get excited because I'm like it's nice of people to ask if you're a hugger to ask and then I'm like that hug has a good vibes And now I want the hug That makes sense. Yeah, it's kind of like a reverse psychology One guest was staying in the nanny's old room and woke up at the witching hour 3 a.m And looked out the window to that cute little courtyard And saw a woman in a Victorian dress And she woke up her husband and was like come look at this But she disappeared before the husband could go witness it But I'm like she's since they're in her room. I was like was she just like wandering around like oh there's people in my room Like I'll go to the courtyard Maybe maybe I wonder she'd checked on them too. That makes me wonder yeah, it was her room. So maybe she wouldn't have checked on them Oh, yeah, maybe yeah She's like you're not children Yeah, or maybe if she was like she made her rounds checking the kids at 3 a.m She's like oh, I gotta go like have a sig down at the courtyard I feel like relatable. I don't know So I think there is still ghost tours you can go on in this town and they have like a self-guided audio tour for purchase

1:06:44 I think it was like after 2020 they started doing the self-guided ones So I'm not sure if they do like the actual guided tours anymore The guy who started at all Mike Leon, he wrote a book And it was all about like the hauntings in these two like neighboring towns and it's called haunted Nevada City and grass Valley Oh And we are definitely revisiting grass Valley at some point Oh Okay, that sounds really familiar and I feel like from my Research and oh, I can't put my finger on why so now I'm really intrigued I don't either because I kind of skimmed and I was like oh, and I'm gonna save this for like some something different So yeah, we'll come back to that city, but there's also a ton about Nevada City that I like a ton that I didn't even touch on So we might have to revisit that again too. I might have to get the book, but it was like 20 bucks and I was like well $20 for this little book right now. Maybe not See Maybe someday Well, that was all I had for Nevada City for now For now But should we do some tarot about it? Yeah We're doing tarot for Nevada City obviously it's a different day. Yeah Um And I'm different out the Also, we wanted to be together to do the tarot and then uh, hi, it's me sick again. So I'm stuck in my bedroom

1:08:23 Yeah, so anyway, we are using the tattoo deck because it remind it gave us Lola vibes Lola the spider dancer Spanish dancer Italian spider Trenchla. Dancer. We're thinking Nevada City we're thinking I have to sneeze all of a sudden I don't know Um Yeah, oh we talked about the the firehouse and the gen it was like gingerbread style Yes, there was that red castle in that was gingerbread style So pretty Lola okay, I'm sending you all the vines Hopefully you have more vives than me because we know what happens when we get sick. Oh yeah I'm doing my best at least I'm not pulling the card Oh god So how do you want me to to pick this? I've just done like a real like 52 card pickup situation down here Feel or just put your hands and all over it get in there touch them all feel it out. I've chosen Oh What do we get? Okay, I'm gonna flip it right tight up Okay, I can't see it. Can you see it?

1:09:38 Oh, is it a dancing woman? Oh, I guess she's not dancing, but she could be honestly She kind of looks like she is it's sort of a drop it low kind of a twerking. She's yeah, she's working She's got those spiders out of her hoo ha. Oh Oh, I don't like that for us. She's queuing the spiders out I think I'm in a fever dream right now Yeah I need to sip of my medicine ball Oh boy Okay, so we got the star, but in the reverse We got the star too. Oh my gosh. This is just such a low level vibes I think so in that song doesn't it say something about yellow feathers in our hair and we were talking about that song Yeah Were they yellow? I'll look up the lyrics. Yeah, you do your thing. Okay I was like So I have our keywords Happiness, hope, light at the end of the tunnel and good fortune This lovely card often portrays a nude female figure in or beside a pool of water In some decks she pours water from two jugs or chalices In the writer wait Smith deck she pours the contents of one pitcher into a stream and the other onto the ground Showing the connection between the two feminine elements water and earth Stars shine in the background sometimes in a circle or a halo-like formation around her

1:11:10 She represents truth and purity The jugs contain the waters of life. We see shooting stars as harbingers of good luck We wish upon the star where the star is a universal symbol of hope Getting this card is like looking up at the bright starry sky on a clear night and seeing all of the magnificence of the universe Ah This is a time of fulfillment Good fortune creative inspiration and spiritual growth When you receive help from unseen forces and wishes come true I'm it's starting to remind me too. I think of the first story that we talked about the uh The national hotel where it was like It was like last night. I dreamt I was at the national hotel And then we got like the stars that just reminds me of like starry dream land But if I'm recalling So we did talk about quite a few females in this episode we talked about the That the firehouse there that's now a museum. There's a piano or an organ that used to be from a brothel and they've seen a woman playing it There's like the gray lady There's a lot of ladies in this one so Interesting we got a lady on the card. I think so Okay, I'm going to read you the interpretation trust life and its processes and yourself

1:12:42 The reverse star can mean you're following your path in a private way instead of shining your light into the outer world The blessings you receive may be spiritual rather than material Which I hope I don't I don't want to interpret that as That means I'm not going to get to live in the firehouse I mean, I don't know it's a museum now Perhaps you feel devitalized uninspired or low on self-esteem at this time After you attune yourself to what your soul needs you'll feel more energized and in harmony with who you truly are Inner reading about money you may feel disappointed because a hoped for payment or payoff gets delayed Even though you're trying hard your efforts don't bear much fruit the time may not be right yet. Don't give up Well that red castle in you know was we were talking about it closed and how sad it was because it's like a historic It's like one of the only brick Or the oldest brick Building in that town, so it's like a pretty historic place, but it's closed and like we have no clue what they're gonna be doing with it So yeah, I have hope still that they'll do something with it like let me move in Yeah If the reading is about your job you may be hiding your light under a bushel Perhaps you don't realize your true abilities and thus aren't getting ahead as quickly as you could

1:14:16 The star reversed can also represent disillusionment disenchantment or lack of inspiration makes me think of like Lola's earlier life too because she like I we I didn't really go into it But she like totally reinvented herself into this new thing That kind of makes sense then Like I feel like maybe she was feeling this way and then like had to totally reinvent herself to like get out of this feeling Yeah, that makes sense though that Hmm In a reading about love this card can mean your expectations are unrealistic You're searching for perfection which can never be attained or it can indicate you aren't seeing your partner or your relationship clearly That gives me like the nanny vibes like she's still wandering around trying to be this perfect nanny and like take care of all the kids But she's not seeing it for what it is like she's not here anymore, so she's just stuck Going through those motions Wow Yeah, like was taking care of the guests when all the kids were long gone and hmm Interesting, I don't know my brain's doing something hopefully I think so I think so I know you're doing your best and then I'm gonna Totally ruin your day As we record my next episode, so you know I know

1:15:47 Oh, so I did look up the lyrics and it was yellow feathers in her hair, so and they were like can I see the card again? Oh, yeah, is she like wrapped in the snake or is that the water? Uh, it looks like a ribbon. Oh, okay, and it does look like there's like yellow in her hair Do you see that oh cool? Yeah, it almost looks like a crown, but I think it's like one of the stars It's just funny because like that wasn't part of the story at all the yellow hair But like then we associated it with that low-ass song and then like ended up pulling It's all connected me What can I say? Well, I feel like that totally worked out. I feel like every time we end. I'm like wow that really worked out Weird All right, should we do the thing?

1:16:39 Have a creepy ass day. I hope we'll see you next Tuesday No, we'll be here. We'll be okay. We missed you already her name is Lola She was a showgirl with yellow feathers in her hair and a dress And a dress cut down to there. (Cassie mumbling wrong lyrics) It didn't even rhyme Yeah, because it's her dress cut down to there I was trying to Make it funny and it didn't happen. This is improv Caitlyn. "Yes, and" me. I thought I was doing that. Oh, derriere. I was trying to make a derriere joke. Oh, I was like I know There is something that rhymes with that and I can make it butt related because I know how you feel about butts right now All about the butts All about that booty. Okay, we yeah, should we stop? Yeah, we're done now