Near-Death Experiences (NDEs)

0:01 Not all people experience the same exact thing, but like the overall the commonalities are very very similar. Yeah, okay, Yeah, everything that I've read, understood, and consumed kind of indicates that there are just like certain commonalities that most people report. I feel like the one everyone knows if you think about like dying or like go to the light. That's yeah, and that is part of this. It's one of the stages, but it's not the first stage. Oh hi, Caitlin, Hi Cassie, all Hi, creepy people, helly, this is PNW Haunts and Homicides In case you forgot.

0:49 I know, we took a little bit of a break, like a half sea break. Yeah, but we're pretty much back full time now. So yeah, get sick of us. I like that. Have z's have zea break, have z e's. Yeah, I took a little longer break than plan, but I'm back now. Yeah. Surprise, I'm back with a let bubu. So if you're curious about that, join Patreon because there is a bonus and I'm not going to show it to you because we opened it on Patreon, so I'm not going to show it. It's a surprise. That's so fun. Caitlin took me to our gate keepy spot. Great, I don't anyway, this is anything we do well, I was going to finish. This is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we chat about true crime, the paranormal, and all things spooky, weird, creepy, other worldly.

1:39 Deathly in the Pacific Northwest. Okay, great, I dontly. I think I meant to say deadly, not deathly. Deathly. It is deathly a word. Deathly is a word, I think in the context that you're trying to use it, I think deadly. I think, Yeah, I don't know either one. I feel like it's almost interchangeable, both just from the little like snippets that you have revealed to me throughout the day of what your topic may be. A but if it's like a deadly one, we do tear a reading at the end of every episode for a little palette cleanser and also a little deeper insight into our topic for the day. Yeah, we do, And we do that. I mean in every episode, not just if it's a scary deadly one. We do it in every episode. So yeah, yeah, so far, who knows, we're wild.

2:29 We could change, we could change on you. We could up and change on you at any second, at a moment's notice. We're just like looking to harness that like blind box energy. We're looking for our next viral marketing scheme. Today is my episode. I'm back Hi here, I'm back with stories. Also, I'm feeling really bad because the last episode I did was about me, and then I'm like, let's just talk about me again. I want to talk about me. You want to talk about as we're going to rename the podcast Hants and Cassie and Caitlin is no longer involved.

3:13 I was like, wait, haunts already is the Cassie. I'm just like doing the math like you're the Haunts. Now you did thet it's haunts and Cassie, you do the Haunts. I do the Cassie. Okay, But anyway, I apologize for constantly talking about my own self. But yeah, it's such Leo energy, it really is. I do have a Leo Leo Are you rising venus? Leo h Venus? Oh spicy, good for you? Spicy anyway, So now I feel like that, and now I feel like embarrassed because now people are looking at me like, oh, hi, Leo Venus. We know a lot about it. You anyway, maybe we should put this at the top of the episode tail and if you're sensitive about talking about details of dying and death, maybe sold one who would be that. I know, I know we talk about like, we talk about death all the time constantly.

4:17 It's true crime, it's ghosts. But this is just like kind of what people go through as they're dying. So it's kind of very specific. So if you're just sensitive to that right now, you know, back to it, skip it. So do you Okay, I'll see you later. I know, I know. I felt like, yeah, I feel that. I know you're so good to see you. Guys. Oh sorry, you torture me, so I to you. This episode was inspired by real life events. And just like before anyone gets too scared, I did not die. I did not actually die. Okay, I didn't it almost die. Okay, So you're not podcasting from like the grade, yes, but this is they're going to see the title near death Experiences. And I didn't want people to panic for a minute.

5:02 Okay. So this was inspired by something that happened to me. Code. Let's just say I'm a little traumatic sometimes. What I had an incident in my bathroom alone one day. Oh god. So I was just standing there like brush my teeth. That was at the end. I know, I'm not going to go into me. It's kind of detail. But it's fine. It's not stressful anymore. We're okay, We're not everything side. I love it. It's great. So I was standing doing like my mouth washed, looking in the mirror. I was like not bending, moving, I was standing just being a person, just standing there, just people in that type of thing, looking in the mirror, thinking about who knows what. Oh I was Actually I was watching a podcast. I was listening to the podcast, and my lower back popped like I had popped, like I had like moved, just did all of it like I had moved.

5:58 And it popped so loud that it like startled me and it felt like I felt like the skeleton shift in my body. And it was very confusing. Uh. And this happened just like before super recent events. This happened like weeks ago. Yeah, just like a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, so before super recent events. So none nothing inspired this, Well something did, I'll tell you. Oh my god. I thought for a second, but I had like been shot because it was so loud and startling and out of nowhere. And I remember watching this documentary it was like and I survived or something when I was very young and someone had been shot and they didn't feel it. Yeah they because yep.

6:54 So for some reason, like initially like in your back, in your spine, like and so for some reason, I just had this. I was like, did I just get like shot? It was the I don't know where it came. It was weird. And then I was very confused, as was staying there trying to figure out. Quickly, I realized, Okay, I didn't get shot, but I was like, something happened in my back, but I like, I can feel I'm not numb. I can feel things, but I'm not in pain at all. And and then I start my vision starts to. Go it like tunnel and I'm getting hot clammy. I'm looking in the mirror. I literally like see all the drain like or the drain blood from my face, all the blood drain from my face, all the drain blood from my face, and I'm like shit. And this happened like super fast but also very slow, like I had time to kind of think about things, but not really and I was like I'm about to pass out. So I got I was like, I gotta get low. I gotta get low to the ground. So I'm like grabbing the sink and I get low, and then like I don't remember anything after I get like my wasn't on the ground yet, and then I just I woke up in the corner of my bathroom.

8:06 Oh, I really don't like this. I really really don't like this. And I was like, what the fuck just happened? Bro, I just painted in my hooking bathroom, And like I said, I did have a lot of time to think weirdly, because it was like slow motion almost. Yeah, but I feel like in the same like it's it's probably actually happening so fast, but it's like, but. It seemed very slow, yeah, the passing out of it, because I could feel myself like sinking into like passing out. And I feel like that's like something like neurologically where like you're it feels like it's happening really slow, but I feel like it's because your brain isn't like doing the brain stuff.

8:52 Yeah, it might be like trying to help you out to like yeah, you know, get low, get low, hit your head on something, which I did not, thankfully, But I had time to think as I was like starting to pass out or like it was like getting black or I know, I was like holding onto the sync, but I was thinking about I like basically had my life flash before my eyes because like I knew I was passing out, but I didn't know why, and so I kind of just assumed I was dying. So I was like, Okay, I'm dying now, this is this is this bike, Cassie, this is the end.

9:32 But I wasn't scared or anything, and it felt like very calm, very peaceful, Like I was like, Okay, I've had a pretty good life. I'm also not done yet. I do know that. Like I like I did realize, like I'm not ready to go. I have a lot of things to do, like not quite ready, but like okay, I was at peace with it, you know. So that was like that was very interesting to me, yeah, because it was like not scary. But again I wasn't actually dying, so maybe my body knew that, but my brain definitely did not know. I don't know. Yeah, so I felt like I kind of had a near death experience, not completely because I wasn't dying. But I did have that like I actually thought I was gonna die, and like I had this thought like fuck, my brother, my poor brother is gonna find me naked on the bathroom floor.

10:27 God d like dang it, like I'm sorry, oh no, sorry joey. Uh. But then I woke up and the first thought I had was like very confused. I had to like think, I'm like, oh okay, like what happened. But then I was like, ah, shit, I didn't die, like man, I still got to pay my bills. Fuck, I'm still alive. I'm alive. So I did have that moment of like dang it, but it was good to know that the say it part was only literally like my thought was about I have to pay still, So that was very comforting. Like there's I felt I feel better about life and things, yes now, which is very it's very common of in your death experience, which we're gonna actually talk about today. Yeah, I am so excited for me. Do you have any questions for me about like what it was like to basically die. Do you guys have any questions?

11:31 Okay, I feel like just for context, I am somebody that is very much on the fence about like in terms of like people say, like especially like once you get married, and you know, like as we get older, like you have to have conversations about if there are certain things that are meaningful or like important to you, about like kind of like end of life decisions like how do you want your remains to be handled? And you know, things like that. And I'm like, I'm very much like on the fence about cremation and things like that, just because I'm like, I am so afraid every time I hear like stories about the olden days where they had like the fucking bells you could ring from down inside the grave, and like people that, oh my.

12:18 God, that's so funny that you say that. Okay, keep going. I I've also you know, I feel like this is more like from the perspective of like I think about instances where people didn't necessarily it wasn't that, oh we thought this person was dead. I think about it in both ways, because I think there are times in history where it's it's been proven like oh, this person was believed to be dead, but they just had like incredibly low heart rates something like that. When like but medical stuff is so advanced now. Yeah, and then they but then also intentionally, some people have just been like obviously burned alive and like the idea of being able to feel that until like just so, I have a lot of like body horror issues related to like certain aspects of death, and.

13:13 I don't know, I'm not really sure how you process that. And I have thoughts. Yeah. First is you can't get buried alive because they ferment you, right or what's that called? And in term like they fill your body with chemicals? Oh well sure? Yeah. I was like I wasn't off with ferment. There's another what is the name for it? Like preserving you what, there's a isn't there a name there? There is, my mam, not preservation? No, okay, you think I would know. I'm like obsessed with this. I wanted to be a mortician in ball, Thank you. I was like, it's the thing morticians do. Yeah, that's what I wanted to do. And I can't think of the word I have brain bok embalming, thank you, because you get embalmed, so they're gonna I mean, you can't survive that, so there's no.

14:14 Way you're going, right, But what if you were alive up to that point and somehow they didn't realize that you were. I'm just saying, like, I just hear these stories about people that are discovered and like, obviously that's such It's it's. Not a super common thing. But then there's also. The cases where people thought their loved ones were being handled in a certain way and then they find you know, mortuaries that have had these horrible, like horrific practices where it was like, oh, we just actually let your like. Loved one like rot and then abandoned. Maybe I should be a mortician. Yeah, no, I mean there's just a lot I would. Yeah, I mean, unfortunately, it's just like anything in life where uh, you know, something are just like really tragic or they're uncomfortable to talk about, and people take advantage of the fact that like there's a certain amount of trust just like awful things happen.

15:12 And I'm just thinking about like. If you are whether you're incapacitated but not deceased, or you are truly deceased, there are things that can be done to. You that are just really horrific. And it's like your suffering doesn't necessarily or at least maybe even your loved ones on your behalf. Like the suffering doesn't have to end just because your life has. Yeah, so I guess, okay, yeah, it's actually it's very nihilistic, but you're yeah. I'm My thought is like, if I'm dead, I don't really care what happens to my body. I mean, obviously I don't want me or anybody else to be like harmed or treated grossly in any way trying to like think of my Yeah, be careful with my words here, but yeah, like I don't really care, but yeah, I also do care because I want to be a skeleton. Yeah, so in a way, you kind of do care what happens to your body after you die. So I don't know. Yeah, I definitely like want to be buried. I want an old looking headstone. I want it to grow moss on it.

16:23 I want to like decay and become a skeleton in a box in the ground. I mean, I wouldn't mind like a wooden box. I don't eny like fancy box or anything. I don't know if they put me in a wooden box these days, I think legally there, yeah, yeah, there's cheapest one. I don't care. I just want to be a skeleton. Yeah. In terms of like like regulatory incompliance like requirements. There are certain things that you can and cannot do. With human remains or really with any remain and it was just depending on Yeah, you're. Technically not allowed to like e scutch or them places, but everyone scatters them anyway. Yeah. So funny that you mentioned a bell, because I've always said, like, I want a bell on my headstone, just like for funsies. I think it would just be like cute and like I want like an old school headstone.

17:14 I don't know, I mean it loves cemetery practical purpose at certain points in history, which is I think maybe I need to consume less in terms of like the things that I know are sort of my uh my bugaboos related to death and let the let let whatever mystery does remain just fucking remain and just not maybe maybe we don't think. About that so much. I have to think about it. Yeah, no, I know. But so I want to bell on my headstone just also because I can come back as a ghost and ring it and just like scare you and make you think I'm buried alive down there.

17:56 So I think I think that's great. So yeah, but I will literally never reach cover from that. I'm going to do it too specifically. So I saw this headstone at Spirit the other day and it says return to Sender and it has one of the bells on it, and I took a little video of it. Here'stop it. You're relaxing. I want it. That's gonna be me, return Decender. I thought that was fucking hilarious. This is that's the headstone I want. So if anyone is wondering, I wanted to say, return to Cender, I want a bell on it. Okay, anyway, And then there was also, like you mentioned, like planning after death.

18:52 I did have a thought as soon as I woke up, oh about a certain drawer in my house that maybe my mom or brother wouldn't want to make your dildo drawer? Is that? I said, a certain drawer? Okay, yeah, it is my dildo drawer. I'm just trying to kneel down, get. It side this giant nailer and get it. Do you guys, do you get it? Nail? Do you get it? She? So anyway, my giant dildo drawer. I did have a thought as I was like, you know, kind of coming to coming to also when I looked in the mirror when I was like getting up no blood in my lips.

19:37 It was I mean, we can insert the picture maybe if you guys don't want to see it skip maybe I don't know, but I think it's an interesting picture. I look for dead, so dead. I just feel like maybe we should do a carousel of all of your appalling medical photos from over the summer. So like we've technically taken a break, but Cassie has just been like, I'm just gonna fuck up every inch of this fucking future court. Because I did go to the er. It was for something unrelated. I'm having a reaction with alcohol and my medication. It's fine, but I thought it was from the fainting. So we went to the eer to also fucking bees and like, oh, I've been stung by a bee this summer. Never been stung by a bee before. It was actually a fucking hornet. Yeah, I just yeah, I did. I have a couple of urgent care visits for some shots for some you know when you sent that picture and you were like, I guess I'm not allergic to bees. I'm like looking at the picture and I'm like, dude, no offense. But if this is you not allergic to bees. I'm I'm literally sprinting like it was like.

20:45 Don't it so? I mean they're more intense, That's what I've heard. I no like Olympic sprinter from now on, anytime I see a bee, and I have. Always been like, the thing is though I didn't see it, hear it. I had no idea it was there. I didn't feel it until I felt a little pinch and I was like the fuck. And then I felt like when you get a shot like hot injecting. Yeah, like the hot and I was like, what. Freaking out? I freaked out, freaked out, freak Oh my god, freaked out. Never been stung before. What were we talking about? I don't know.

21:26 Now, all of a sudden, I'm just like I have like the demonic urge to ask you, like, have you ever potato peeled your fingers? Oh? Yeah, oh yeah, I'm very feutful. Oh we were talking about my dildos. Yes, the dildo draish the story. This is the ADHD tangent episode A little bit. It's okay because it all really it's fine. So I texted my friend immediately, Brittany, and I was like, you need I sent her a picture of the door, and I was like, just so we know, we've kind of talked about this, like haha, kidding, but like I actually thought, like for real, but like for real, though, this is your You're in charge of this drawer. Come over immediately and make sure my mom doesn't look in there. My mom and brother no not to look in the drawer.

22:08 So everyone knows about my drawer if you don't want to see what's. In there, okay, So like what's my status in relation to the drawer? If Brittany is with me and she also dies, you take care of the door. If it's like some sort of horrific car accident. I mean, it's not going to be knocking, would but someone take it. If everyone does creepy people drawer, I feel like I want to. I want to, like ring the bell with Chris, bring me salt. Anyway, now I'm realizing that I really should be more organized about my various unmentionables. Oh are they scattered?

22:49 Yeah, I feel like there's a little bit of scattering. You got to keep them all in one. I'm like, keep it separate, right so they don't touch in the night, and get it on without you. I need a loop. Oh, I should tell them why I fainted, because it's not I don't have a medical condition. As far as I know, nothing is wrong with me. Everything's okay. Did hurt my back, did hurt? Then I overworked it and hurt it again. It's a whole thing. I'm better now. But I had vasal vagel, sin scope syncope, sinc pe syncope. Oh okay.

23:30 I was like, I'm saying it wrong. Do I see basal vagel? Right? Yeah, I was more. Okay, I've said that word more than the other one. Yeah, thank you. It was that which is basically like your nervous system gets over stimulated by something. It can happen a lot of ways, like people see blood as like the most common people see blood and they faint. And I didn't. I didn't know that was just like an actual thing that your like body was reacting to. I thought it was like you just don't like blood, like it wasn't connecting. Yeah, no, I mean it's like a it's part of like a whole like chemical kind of reaction in your body. Like I mean, just to put it in like the most dumb, dumb terms, it's honestly like, yeah, I'm saying that, like I know anything, but it is.

24:16 It is like a thing with me where if I think because I had my pelvis broken, yeah, so if I think something in my body is wrong or broken and broken, because I've thought my shoulder was out before and I almost had passed out, I remember that I had to sit down. I didn't actually pass out, So yeah, I think it was like I think my brain just like like you were able to process something was wrong in my body and it just gives me the freakouts. Yeah I did. No, I mean that is kind of one of those like lizard brain things where it's like your your your body and your brain like kind of trying to figure out, like what's the best way to help you in this situation.

25:02 I don't know how fainting helps anybody in any situation. Yeah, I feel like, especially with like the way that a lot of people when that happens, and like what the trigger is, you kind of go like, how would that. Be the best option? Because like it's very possible if I didn't hold on to the fucking sink and get blow, I would have fallen and hit my head literally passing out might have been fatal. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, I it could have been a very different situation. Evolutionarily, there are certain things where it's like it might have made sense at like a different point in human history, and how much sense it makes now is up for debate.

25:44 It's also very I mean it is possible I was in pain, Like it was very painful and I just didn't know it. I didn't feel it. Yeah, because it was that so you thought you were shot. You may have gone into shock and like. Yeah, it's so crazy. No, I mean, like the things that your body and your brain can do that like you're like. I'm not. I didn't ask for this. I didn't tell it to do any of these things. It's wild, but I like, I kind of get it if you are in pain, if your body is in pain and it just wants you to like pass out to you like shut down, so you don't. Yeah, because in a way, and that's what I was gonna say, is like you know, with that response, it seems like in a lot of situations, it's like how can that be helpful? But if it's like a pain trigger thing, it could be just that your body is trying to help you by like okay, we go into shut down. Mode, and it's like going to force you to like kind of reboot or just like rest for just long enough, but like maybe you can, you know, recover yourself.

26:52 Maybe it was like, oh my god, we are in a simulation. Simulation, it's a simulation, you guys, I got read, I got rebooted. Never remind me again, witch pell did you take either? It was also interesting just another note that I wasn't out for that long because the podcast I was listening to was like still kind of on the same topic like kind of Judge, the kind of judge. Yeah, I'm regretting now. I should have like gone back in the moment and like rewound it to see the last thing I had, like remember hearing to see exactly how long I was out, but I didn't. I wasn't thinking that.

27:33 No. I would imagine you're not thinking like super clearly, like like yeah, yeah, but anyway, so that that's interesting. I wasn't out for very long. I would say less. Than a minute. I I think it was really that quick. I think so, yeah, okay, because. They really were still talking about and it's one of those podcasts that changes subjects a lot. Okay, So yeah, unless they did a tangent and then rounded about like we just did and came back. I don't know that could happen again. I don't remember what episode it was now. I don't think like maybe if I hear it again and then it triggers like the memory, like, oh I've heard this before. Yeah, yeah, I think I would remember, but I couldn't even tell you, like where it was just a random in the middle of.

28:22 A bad cast, and I feel like you're processing so much other stimuli at that point that like that is just like such a microcosm of the experience. Yeah, gosh, Wow, we've been talking for a really long time about me. I guess I wasn't lying. Uh, I know, I'm like sorry, I'm probably like totally. Because like I don't have a ton of info. I just wanted to come to you guys with kind of like what other people experienced during near death experiences, because there's different stages of it. I think I was just like in the first stage, OK, where you're like thinking you're about your experience death. Yeah.

29:06 Yeah, whether that's like factually accurate or not, I feel like your brain processing that is it. Yeah, it was real at the time. Yeah, for and I can see why you like. It feels like I can see how you kind of got there. Yeah. Yeah, Well, do you want to talk about some near death experiences? No? I think we should end it here, too bad. That's what this episode is about. Okay, great, we're done talk about me. We're going to talk about some other people. There were three people from the Evergreen State College in Olympia, Washington, in December nineteen eighty one. Oh, okay, who wrote a research paper on near death experiences in the Pacific Northwest American population.

29:51 Oh, I really want to read this actually, yeah, yeah, I can send it to you. It's like twenty pages. It's really not that long, just like some light bedtime. Yeah, and honestly it is. I read it last night before bed it. Uh, the Evergreen Study, I don't know if that's part of the title. That's what it says. And it's James H. Lindley Sethan, It's se. T h y N, which is like a cool name. Sethan, Yeah, Seth and Bryan and Bob Connelly. So they all did this a research paper, I'm assuming. Yeah. They based it off of two other popular near death experience research papers that I will put Okay in my I did not write them down, but I'll put them in the sources, okay, but they they kind of worked off that and then did their own research. And since this is specifically Pacific Northwest, I'm going to just talk about this research paper and not go into like the older, more popular, well known research.

30:55 Nineteen eighty one is like already a few years ago, and anything older than that is like, okay, like you know, not exactly E merging sign. Yeah, And I don't know if I didn't really look into it, but the I don't know if there's more recent The one that they're referring to came out the year before. It's like nineteen eighty and then one of them was like the sixties or seventies or something. It was like earlier, So I don't know if there's anything after that. I didn't really look into that. There's got to be more recent study than that, certainly. But I'm sure. But we're going to talk about this one because it's specific Northwest and we're PNW A nasty podcast, which I think I forgot to say, or I did.

31:39 That's okay, I was gonna let it lay. We forgive me because this episode is about me and I just was like so excited to start talking again. Yeah, because I haven't talked in a while. So I feel like I'm like really chatterboxy today. Hello, why do I need a podcast? Yeah, it's hard to say. I like to talk. So in their paper, they said that they find the most intriguing part of near death experiences is that it kind of doesn't vary which from person to person. It's not the differences, but it's the similarities that okay really consist. Not all people experience the same exact thing, but like the overall the commonalities are very very similar. Yeah, Okay, Yeah, I feel like there's I mean, and I have researched this in depth, but I feel like everything that I've read, understood and consumed kind of indicates that there are just like certain commonalities that most people report.

32:35 I feel like the one everyone knows if you think about like dying or like go to the life. Yeah, and that is part of this. It's one of the stages, but it's not the first stage. Oh. The first stage is overwhelming peace, in which all like pain ceases. Okay, so that's like a definite parallel for you, right, Definitely, it says oh, it's just got to I know me too, the feeling of like calmness, acceptance, which is definitely like I had that. Yeah, for sure, I was like okay, like I'm not quite done, but I'm accepting. Yeah, this is where I am. And I think they'll they'll kind of maybe go into this in a minute. But that's kind of I think your brain like maybe protecting you a little bit, like, okay, so you're not scared in my final moments.

33:28 Yeah, and that makes sense. I feel like the closest thing that I can say, like is a parallel for me is like when I've had to take like benadru it just sort of is like shut down, like and it's just sort of. Like this is happening, Yeah, very calm, very peaceful. I don't think that's exactly like what they're just I mean I kind of feels passing out a little bit. Yeah, yeah, I mean it is basically passing out. You're just yeah, you know what's happen on purpose. Yeah, I just feel like the like I've always heard it being described as a bit more euphoric than what I.

34:10 Have experienced then like in that instance, and I think some people do go into like a very extreme euphoria and well we're going to get into that actually right now, which I did not have that like extreme. It was just calm and peaceful and like I was. Yeah, I think like people experience I probably on a spectrum. I don't know. There was a woman who was a drowning victim and she described her experience was that she was in agony and then like all of a sudden, it just became warm and floaty feeling. So she didn't start off like being like scared and in pain and then yeah, it all of a sudden, wasn't.

34:50 I have always heard that drowning is supposed to be one of the most peaceful ways to die. Yeah, I know some people have a really hard time imagine that, but like as opposed to like kind of the other end of the elemental spectrum, like death by fire to be like kind of. The most horrific. But I'm almost thinking, well, I don't okay, I don't have any facts to support this at all, but it's just like where my brain is going, drowning you have kind of a chance of survival because you like pull you out of the water, do CPR. So I feel like maybe there might be more people who have drowned and experienced near death. Yeah, I mean obviously, I don't know. It just seems logical to me. Yeah, so maybe like it's peaceful in every type of like dying.

35:38 But that's just the more people come back from drowning, So I could see that. I just think that, like, but I get it at least from like the scientific like a biological standpoint. They say that like the point at which like the certain brain chemicals are released when you are experiencing drown and then like like oppose, is. It drowning like specifically or just death in general. I don't know that it's actually death in general. I think there's like certain like chemical reactions that are that are occurring because of like the the way that.

36:19 You're experiencing death. Interesting. The other thing is, and this also has to do with how like the manner of death, right, But the other thing that kind of goes along with that is that like scientifically biologically they know that there are certain sensations just because of how like nerves and your brain and your other aspects of your body how they work that like you will feel whether it's you know, smoke inhalation or actual physical burning. They know, there's certain things.

37:01 That you will feel until you like physically succumb and actually are dead. Yeah, but we did talk about like earlier, maybe I'm hoping like your brain would shut off the pain, yesh and just. And I think like the shock response could also, like I think that can play into almost any type. Of of death. But I that's the thing. That's what I hate about this is that like like who can. Say, I know, you know, but drowning does like your floating waters, yeah, very peaceful, it's quiet, it's kind of a return.

37:44 Yeah, right, because it's like that's why humans like water, because it reminds us of like the amniotic fluid. And and that is not to say that I want to drown or I wish drowning on anybody like that someone you know has drowned. That's I'm very sorry, super horrific I've had I've had that shit, not personally, but like in past family like ancestry, there's drowning and like, so I have a very It's okay, I have a very. Uh, I have a fear of water. So like I get it, like I feel like my people crave water. I love water. It's just I do have that a drowning fear, and I really think it's like from like my DNA, like my ancestors, my ancestor died young, as like a drowning.

38:33 Yeah. No, they say that that is something that can be imparted in your DNA. They're finding more and more that there are certain things that like it. They don't understand how exactly, but that, you know, that's increasingly kind of the emerging belief. I believe it even in the scientific community. So I don't know anyway, we're just we're not scientists. We're just going over this research paper. It's so interesting, it is, we have more to talk about. So there was also a person who uh was hemorrhaging as a child, and they said that they they felt so good though that and like at peace and happy that they almost like they felt really guilty that they were feeling these things, knowing, oh wow, that they were like dying basically, but they felt so good. So that's that's kind of like how I felt.

39:31 Definitely like that's like euphouria, like you were saying, like I didn't feel so good, but I felt guilty that I wasn't, like why am I not more upset. Yeah, like I was okay with that, Yeah happening, and like that's where the guilty part came in. Yeah, and that makes sense. I get that. I don't know. I like the sense of like painlessness, like take your body, taking care of you at the end, and like I make sure that you're not like scared and in pain. Yeah. It's a really good thought. Yeah, and it makes you like it makes me not really scared. And that's very common too, Like it makes people. Once people experience this and come back, they're not as scared of dying because they know, like it's going to be okay, it's peaceful and yeah, not scary. I still don't want to, don't get me wrong.

40:19 Yeah, yeah, I think the manner of death matters to a lot of people, definitely. Yeah. Yeah. So in this research paper they say the first stage of death is kind of lea kind of lee. It's kind of the most easily explainable. Uh, and we kind of already talked about it, like biologically, the peacefulness is kind of just what happens when you die, Like your brain is releasing chemicals DMT, isn't it in doorphins? Okay, there we go. So your brain is like releasing endorphins, which are like morphine basically, well that's what this research.

41:01 They're morphine like substances. Okay, I'm just gonna read this little part here dimethyl trip to mean. Some theories suggest that the psychedelic compound d MT is released in large amounts by the pineal gland during death. However, this is largely unproven speculation and other neurochemicals are considered more plausible explanations for the effects of ND. I have Okay, I have heard this, and it's not recent in my brain because it's not in this research paper, I think because it's more recent. Yes, I definitely have heard that, Yeah, which I think is possible. Yea too, So we just trip. So they think that that happens not only so you're not in pain or fearful when you're dying, but they think it is kind of more of a defensive mechanism to keep you like alive, and it not incapacity, incocapacitating, in facitated, in life threatening situations, So they it's kind of keeping you mobile.

42:08 Like sustaining, yes or whatever, like body systems or brain function, so you can have time to save yourself or maybe somebody else too, so yeah, they think that's kind of why that happens. This has also been something that they've noticed in terminally ill patients. So there's kind of like a period of remission before dying. And I can't remember. I just watched this movie or the show called Dying for Sex. Have you seen that one yet? I haven't. No, it's really really good. It's this person who's got cancer and she's terminally ill. She knows she's going to be dying, and so she wants to like have I don't think she's had an orgasm or something, so like that's her goal before she died. Okay, haven't I mean get it. It's really good and like it's like not just about sex.

42:58 It's like about life and family and friendship. I feel like that's just about processing so many aspects of the human experience. Yeah, yeah, it's a really beautiful movie. But they do kind of show that part of it of like her little bit of remission while she's in hospice. And yeah, they call it something and I can't remember what. It's some cute, like beautiful name. But I love that. Yeah, I really just watch the show. We don't need to look everything up for you. You figure it out. So this is a little bit different from the first stage of death. It's a little bit less, like the feelings of euphoria are a little bit less. So it's not quite the same. And I'm I'm not sure on the research as of this research paper wasn't about that, so they didn't really say, like why they think that happens with terminally ill patients towards the end of life.

43:47 So they didn't just like research process and analyze every aspect of death forever. No, they didn't. And I didn't go down that. I didn't pull it that little thread because you know it, we're getting a little lengthy or two, so we don't need to just pull every thread. But I just thought that was interesting to bring up. But it still happens in some form, whether you're dying, like in the moment, or if you're. Like getting ready to yeah, because I think the same kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, because there can be like a protracted experience of dying. Yeah, okay, so you're ready to move on the second stage. I don't know, maybe I'm dying, Okay. This is kind of a sense of separation from your body. So this is an out of body experience. Okay, okay, okay, yeah, yeah, so where you're then this does happen to people when you're not dying, when you're sleeping, right, it happens to people like in surgery sometimes.

44:49 Yeah, I was going to say out of body is something like that's an experience people have aside from death. But it's interesting that it's like a commonality with near death experiences. Yeah, it is kind of interesting because it just makes you think, like your consciousness is it can leave your body while you're still alive too, that I can come back. I just want, like all of the the bits to just just stay. In it's assigned seats and you you do until your time is up. Because please don't stay in my body when I'm actually dead. Please consciousness leave my body that's.

45:34 Alive. Oh wait, same fears are blocked. Take a drink plus the realm boys gun. Some people say when they experience this, they kind of like they're able to move away from their body. They can like leave the room, they can see things that are going on in other rooms. They things that are going on, So they'll oftentimes come back with like, hey, this person was wearing like this specific shirt out in the waiting room and they hadn't come even in the room yet, yeah, or something that they're talking about out there. So the comeback with kind of like proof was like, wait, how the fuck did you get that?

46:14 Like these things that it's like, there's just not any way that you could have known this information. Yeah, there's one instance where this person reported that they were floating above their body in the hospital bed and they looked at their body and it was like a greenish gray color. I don't like that, and so they just like were like, oh, I look dead, and then the nurse was yelling a coated message over the intercom. Then it like dawned on this person. They were actually they're like, oh shit, I am coding. They were dying. So they experienced like watching their own body. That would be that would be very intent. Like this game, the deeper stages do get more intense. Yeah, So the third stage, this is where people say they move into like avoid or maybe traveling down along tunnel. So this is kind of like light at the end of the tunnel, but we're not at the light part yet. We're in the dark, right, which doesn't sound great. No, they think this is kind of like the intermediate stage, like a what's that called like kind of like a purgatory stage. Yeah, like an in between you're in between leaving like stage two or you're like leaving your body.

47:31 This is where you're traveling into another place basically, right, And this is the thing that makes little the Catholics loser shit is it? Yeah? Purgatory is like Oh. That's like that's why, like because you could like get stuck there, right, That's that's purgatory. It's like you're between heaven and how kind of you're like between this world and the next, and you're not in You're like in the in between. This is like you either get sucked up or sucked down, sucked off, or sucked sucked under. No, but like that's why, like you know, uh, people's like grandparents are like, you know, like you gotta get you got to get a baby baptized, because unbaptized, Oh.

48:18 You just get stuck in the tunnel forever. Yeah, which which is why you know that religion is like in some ways really kind of shitty because like how do you take this completely innocent, faultless creature of you know, a baby that is unbaptized or I think also unborn babies. If you're looking for something that's gonna make you real sad just for no good goddamn reason, that just makes. Me real angry. Yeah, well, I think and that refers to like even like still born, right, that's not like that seems like why are we going to make people feel guilty for things even were so frequently you cannot control. That's okay, that's neat nice. I love that we added that in this episode.

49:05 Yeah, and you can cut that fact teck it. I don't know, that's my understanding, and I believe that though. Yeah, I'm pretty sure about it. If I'm being honest. I think we should leave it in. But that is interesting though, that you bring up other religions, because that is something that they brought up as throughout all the different religions, there's that's like things sort of similar parallel. Yeah, yeah, but in certain stages, like the ending stages, depending on your religion, like things yeah, are different, things get different, Things do get different, which is interesting that your beliefs and thoughts in your mortal brain also are translating over when you past.

49:48 Like it's it's impacting, it's you know, influencing your experience in a way potentially. Yeah, what is and by interesting I mean horror? Fy oh, it's not scary to die. This is the lesson in this Episodemagods jobin limbo. Limbo. That's another one up. Yeah. Yeah, So Catholics no longer officially teach that unbaptized babies go to a place called limbo. No longer, but they did at one point. So I think that's I don't know how purgatory and limbo differ. Oh okay, so I love this. This is really fun. Okay.

50:30 So Limbo is a theoretical state no longer considered official Catholic doctrine, where unbaptized infants or righteous people who died before Christ were thought to reside experiencing natural joy, but not the divine vision of heaven. Oh so they're like, it's like, okay, it's like you gotta b minus instead of an A purgatory, in contrast, is a confirmed Catholic doctrine in a state of temporary purification after death for those destined for heaven, cleansing them of remaining imperfections so they can enter God's presence.

51:13 Ah. So, people who were baptized, die go into purgatory, get cleans this fucking then. Go to heaven if they need it. So it's kind of you're gonna need it because you're human and all of us. Wow. Also that's the whole thing, right is it's like, be really really good, okay, but if you're not, you'll just get cleansed and purgatory and it's fine, but you better be fucking baptized though, you know, assuming that you you know, you ate the right crackers at the right you know you had the baby splashed, you know all that, so you can go to the light. The fourth stage is the light. We're at the light, you guys. We're at the light.

51:53 We're walking into it. Okay. This is almost always described as white or gold olden, or like an indescribable brilliance, like just something so bright that you don't even know what color it is, which to me would be white. But yeah, yeah, or like almost that like iridescent like effect of like a rainbow, you know, like when like a crystal catches the light. That's what my heaven looks like. Yeah, for crystals, crystal light. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, I'm glad I didn't see my heaven. Though yet we didn't get to stage four, and I'm like, Copeter is about to get to stage. Four though, oh oh no.

52:33 One person described it as like a grid of light, like a spider one. Oh and I thought that was really cool. That's interesting, So now I want spider webs of like rainbow crystal light, refract refracting, refracting, refracting. Yeah, so this one, this is kind of where they think you get transported. So if you go through the light, then you're in a different stage in another world. So they technically have a fifth stage that they called inner setting. Like getting to the light is one thing, but then like going through the light and entering another world or another dimension or whatever, that's what people say it. It's like, oh so stage five is going to that other world. Oh okay, yeah, oh sorry, okay, back to the light. Yeah, this is kind of where it depends on like your religion.

53:20 Some people think the light is like God or Jesus or oh yeah, like like a religion figure. Yeah, like a deity. But I think some people actually see, like when they go into stage five, I think they see like built the actual figures of these people. So it kind of that's like where your religion. I'm curious, like what I would see. I know some people see like Elvis. Isn't that weird? Oh I kind of love that. I've heard that in a lot of kind I kind of love that. I know. Okay, I would see Taylor Swift obviously, like all a, you know, Hurricane Candle. Yeah, even if she's not dead yet. Oh yeah, no, for sure, my Jesus is Tailor's with. Yeah.

54:10 Also in this place, most people describe it like a natural setting like a field, or would see a meadow, a valley, a garden like something like outdoorsy. It's not yeah, like a natural habitat. Some people say they spend time, Well, I guess the people that come back from this, because if you're not coming back, you're not reporting it. Yeah, but they say they spend time there, like reflecting on their life and kind of deciding if they want to come back. Oh interesting, Okay, yeah, yeah, I don't know. I'm not saying like you always have a choice and like the people who die choose not to come back. Like I'm not saying that this is just what people are reporting. Yeah, when they have come back, I mean, no, nobody knows what happens over there, but I'm sure it's not the case for every single person like choose to lead.

54:58 Right, well, and I think probably near death versus like actual you know death, like it's you know sometimes I think like that. Yeah, yeah, there's I don't I don't know that there could always be a choice because it's like well sorry, And I think that could just be like their perception of it too. Maybe yeah, because they were there thinking on things, maybe they perceived that they chose to come back other than like they were going to come back anyway. Yeah, you know, so it could just be. First maybe that's how your brain allows you to process that. Yeah, that could be too. I definitely don't have the answer there. Uh. This did happen though in a book I was reading recently, and it was very sad because it was this what this girl's best friend died and she wanted her to come back so bad and she decided not to that she wanted to die, but then the girl brought her back anyway, I don't know, and then she was very not happy with her life. Yeah, I'm not going to say what happens. There's one thing people experience, and it's not very common. It's kind of it's like nine percent in this report, but they experience a life review. Oh, and they think it's it happens when it's unexpected, a very sudden like a heart attack or just something very unexpected happens. Is when you go into the life review.

56:27 That's what they think interesting. And it's kind of like it play it literally is what it sounds like. It like it plays scenes from your entire life, like in chronological order. Oh. It kind of like makes you like evaluate. Review your life like it's what it sounds like, life review. That's so interesting. And I really don't know why. Maybe it's just so you come back with like some perspective on your life and like maybe things to change. And yeah, and that does happen, you know. Most people report like they do change their change their life after Yeah, they appreciate things more, you know. Yeah, just gives you, I think, I don't know, just like a sense of peace about life.

57:12 That's how I feel about it anyway. Yeah, And I guess it could just definitely depend on like your religion though for sure. I feel like that's got to be very individual. And like the lack of fear of death is a very common thing too after experiences. I think I said that earlier, but just in case they didn't. So they're saying they don't really have they have an explanation maybe for stage one, but they don't. They really don't have any explanations for any of the stages after that follow Yeah, okay, like the out of body, the light of the tunnel, like seeing I can see that, the meadow, seeing God, they really don't know. They don't know if it's your brain just firing its last you know, hallucinations, right, dreams, I don't know, Yah, it's passing away. There needs to be just more studies on this. I think it's so interesting, but like it kind of impossible to study really because you don't know when someone's about to have a near death experience. Obviously, you can't talk to people who haven't come back from them. Hard to do. And it's like hearsay, like you can't prove it other than like.

58:24 The people who have out of body and like see details of that's right, the only like that thing you can prove really, Yeah, And they feel like to a certain degree it's like it. I think the argument could be that it's like is that necessarily conclusive proof or is that kind of like, is that really more categorized as evidence of something? It doesn't maybe conclusively prove anything, but it seems like really strong evidence or Yeah, I feel like that's tough because I think we think of things that are proof. But evidence is proof, right, I don't know. Like I said, we're not scientists, we're remote because we had to finish up different day. So yeah, we're here doing taro for the near death experiences or indies for sure. I don't know if we even talked about that. Indies if you're nicety.

59:24 Yeah, indies if you're nice day or if you got really sucked into that show the OA oh during COVID. Hey you can't really see my altar too well behind me. But I have a little fun headstone I just got that says literally dead, and I thought that that worked perfectly for this episode. It's so perfect because he can't use this for like a true crime episode because that is insensitive as fuck. It's not great. It wouldn't be great for that. No kind of funny when you're talking about near death and your coming back from the because you were literally dead and I was not. So it's still funny, and so the tarot deck reason today I keep moving my head from the microphone. It is Christina Ricci's.

1:00:11 Tarot deck called Cat full of Spiders, and my mom got it for me for my birthday, I think my birth Yeah, my birthday, I think whatever. My mom got it for me at some point I may and I thought it was kind of funny to use too for the near death experiences because cats have like nine lives and. You know, it's perfect. Yeah. I don't know if Christina Ricci has ever had an indeed, maybe we should ask her. Yeah, okay, so the next time I call her, I will just all all ask. I did Tiger in the story that I just made, So maybe she'll see it and want to become besties. That'd be great. We're using her tarot deck, yeah, because we love her. Girl. Okay, So what I did earlier is I haven't used this deck, so I kind of like spread it.

1:00:56 You can see I like, oh yeah, I did the all the spread. I just spread it all out and you know, put it back together. So the cards are real mixed up. They're all wonky donkey, they're like up and down in sideways. Yeah. I love that for us. I'm gonna I'm gonna make them all go into a normal deck state and then shuffle them. Alrighty, and they've been sitting on selenite. Nice. Did I tell you that I put my laboo boo on my selenite lamp in our bedroom? That's so cute. Yeah, I hung my labooboo. Do we say I got a la booo yet?

1:01:41 Spoiler? Because we did it. We did a Patreon bonus. And I don't remember if we mentioned it in this episode because it was like two days ago and that was a long time ago. But it was months ago. My labooo on my lamp, not my Selenite lamp, but just my normal lamp. Like where the the string as you pull it, there's a cord, and so I hung it there and he just looks so cute. I love it. Oh, it's a real stiff deck. It's a real stiff yet. That's how we like it. So we're picking a card for near death experiences cassies or anybody else. Yeah, you didn't actually have one. She just thought she did.

1:02:26 Hey, if it's real to you in the moment, I think like that's all that matters. Yeah, it's my party I'll die if I want to. Oh love that for you. Do you have any feelings? I feel I as usual, feel like it's going to be somewhere kind of maybe just to the left of center. Ish. This feeling was like popping out. Yeah, it's like kind of center e. But it was like, it feels like it wants to come out. So let's see what it is. Ooh okay, we got christmasy, we got a ton of pentacles and it was in reverse. Oh okay, interesting this card that's kind of funny. And we have a little interpretation book. I don't know what's in it yet, so we're gonna find out together. I don't know if it's just basic or if.

1:03:14 It's special things, if it has any info on Christina Ricci and the card and the scene. I don't know. I love that. I'm going to read it upright and in reverse because they do look like they have interesting little interpretations here. Okay, so upright says happy as a kid on Christmas. You're feeling not preposterous prosperous? Yes, thank you. I was just guessing it's prosperous. Yeah, my brain was like preposterous prosperous is preposterous. It's because the idea of prosperity in the current era is just.

1:03:56 So preposterous Forredian slips. Is that what you call that? Yes, that is one thousand percent what you call that. Okay, so you're happy as a kid on Christmas. You're feeling prosperous and grateful. You've been good all year and are being rewarded for your efforts. Share your abundance with those who helped you get where you are today. A thankful heart attracts good fortune. Oh and so the reverse says, outwardly, life seems perfect, but it really isn't. Oh but is it really a question mark? That was a question, not a statement. Yeah, but it really isn't. You know, but it like really isn't?

1:04:38 Or wait? Is it is discontent creeping in through the corners of your life, like worrying factions spilling into the artificial utopic town of Valley Port. That must be a very specific reference to a movie or something that I don't understand. It doesn't bring a bell for me either. Apologies, let us know if you know what it is. We'd love free to comment and tell us. Yeah, like, how dumb we are for not knowing, Hey, no, I'm a smurty pants. You're feeling unfulfilled by your cookie cutter life and are afraid to speak up out of fear of disappointing others. Uh, give yourself permission to break the status quo and find what truly makes you happy. I think this totally fits in with the episode. It totally does, yeah, because it's kind of like what I was feeling. You know, I've been yeah, I mean we've talked, we kind of talked about it in the past. I've not always wanted to particularly live on this planet. Yeah, I'm in therapy and I'm fine now, but like you know, you always have that thought in the back of your mind, like man, it would be just like so much easier, yeah yeah, or like, well things are getting boring here, like oh yeah yeah.

1:05:49 And then you know, every time you think you feel a little bit better, I find personally recently that the planet is like, oh, you're you're thinking about sticking around. Oh cool, hold my beer because I've got something else for you. Literally, So I feel like that's kind of like, you know, how I was feeling. And then I was sort of faced with this first stage of death basically and realized, you know, I'm good here kind of like the upright version of the card like happy as a kid on Christmas, feeling grateful, so ton of pentacles. Our keywords are abundance, fulfillment, inheritance that's interesting, good fortune, property, and family resources. The card has connections with family, especially family money and property, but also the legacy of inherited resources such as good health, intelligence, cultural benefits, etc.

1:06:55 Which like just kind of I don't know. To me, I'm like maybe I'm reaching. But when you think about having a near death experience or someone passing, it's like the next thing that comes up is like, okay, everybody, we got to read the will. Oh yeah, yeah that's true. You have plenty and can now share your riches with others. Oh that could be. That does remind me though of like you have plenty, you can share your riches with others, Like you can share your gratefulness. You can share your story of your near death experience and maybe you know someone else will also be more grateful for their life or yeah something like that.

1:07:37 Yeah, people's stories can be really transformative, like even just for people that are kind of hearing about them. In hindsight, you know reflecting on that, I mean personally for the individual, I think it obviously can be really transformative for them, but even for as a third party, I guess is what I'm saying. But okay, so a reverse interpretation, you may be so established at this point that you're stagnating. Maybe you've retired comfortably and now just sit around watching TV. The reverse ten of pentacles can indicate problems with family members, perhaps frustration, disagreements or responsibilities regarding a family business, property, or inheritance.

1:08:28 Well, because if it's a near death experience, you're like, oh, this person almost died. I'm not going to get their inheritance because it came back. I mean you still will eventually, right, eventually, Yeah, everybody dies, just not today. Get over yourself. It's not your money yet. In a reading about money, the reverse ten can represent losses or debt, which may be related to family troubles or obligations. The debt is funny because the first thing I thought when I woke up was a little like, dang. I got him a bills. That's so true. I remember you saying that, and I was like, yes, but also you're alive.

1:09:10 That's my biggest worry, I'm okay, oh my god. Or it can mean you don't inherit as much as you'd expect it. Well, that's pretty much part for the course. I feel like covered that it's lining up with real life family feuds over money slash property are possible, which is definitely Again, it just goes to like the reading of the will, like that's the vibe I feel like, or you know, you were saying like you like be prepared for a death, or maybe this will if you have a near death experience, then after you'll be like, Okay, I. Gotta get like my shit and order. I gotta get my affairs in order. That's what exactly, Yes, get my affairs an order. I love it.

1:09:58 This card can also point to fluctuations in the marketplace or real estate values that threaten your security. Joke's on you. I don't got none of that that it's not applicable in this situation. Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean I'm sure it applies to other people. That's fine, whatever. What what's it like to own property? If the reading is about your job, you may not be using your resources and abilities fully, or you may not receive the compensation and success you feel you deserve a business, perhaps a family operation may hit hard times. Sometimes this card shows you rejecting the material world for the spiritual one.

1:10:49 Oh yeah, that seems like a huge thing. People kind of go through go through this, Yeah, I think so. In a reading about love of financial and or family problems may cause friction and unhappiness in a relationship. Responsibilities for children or elderly parents might place strain on you. Emotional baggage and old hurts may interfere with your happiness. Let that shit go, man, doesn't matter. Do what makes you happy. That's what I'm doing, not paying my bills and just doing what makes me happy. That's what I've learned from this experience.

1:11:31 Yeah, I love that that was your number one worry when you came to and now you're like, ah. Fuck it. I did think it was interesting because she's like reaching for the star at the top of the tree, and like the star is usually lit up, you know, she's reaching for the light. Oh that could be a stretch. Oh you know they kind of did, Okay, this is this is interesting because they did kind of you know, like the tunnel, the darkness, the void. No, I think the imagery is there, like You're so right, And they kind of described it as a funnel sometimes, like a funnel going into the light. That's kind of what I'm saying, dude.

1:12:15 I there, Well, wow, this has me really reflecting on the holiday season in a different way. Christmas equals death. That that is true, though, don't people more people die by suicide like during the holidays. I think people. Like in general around a lot of major holidays, but Christmas is a like that time of year because you know, people are impacted by like seasonal depression when you have like extended periods of time, like you know kind of the depending on where you're at, like regionally and sort of your socioeconomic like background and everything, like, you might have not even just your immediate family, but you might even have like extended family. That's like you guys are kind of gathered for you know, a period in like the window from like basically Thanksgiving to like New Year's and so like it it exacerbates like any sort of tension that's there, and that's part of intention like can mean a lot of things. But during COVID, there was such a spike in domestic violence and like really like the worstening of those you know, family and home situations because people had no escape from each other.

1:13:45 Ah, you need a break, and yeah, yeah, exactly, take vacations from your vacations. Yeah, I'm ready for my next vacation from a vacation. Too. I'm ready to take a real vacation, I know. Okay, we'll get there. You got to work first. We got to work first. Okay, we can't do the fun things first this time. I guess, have we not been working? I felt like that's what we were doing more more, Yeah, I've done yet. Okay, well, we are kind of done with this episode, I think, unless there was any like extra exerpts or anything.

1:14:30 You know, it's funny you say that, because so this is the uh ten of Pentacles, right, and then the next page is chapter nine, and that begins the Suit of Swords. There is an extra excerpt at like the top of this page as it introduces the swords that I was like, kind of just as I glanced down at sort of like caught my eye. It says life is pain. An old Chinese proverb says life is pain. Pain makes you think, thinking makes you wise, and wisdom makes life endurable. The swords represent this perspective, dude.

1:15:14 Yeah, I know. I was like, I just glanced at it, and I was like, oh, that's really interesting. And I was like, what are the odds that we drew? So here's the thing. What is it? Oh eyebroke. Okay, so this is at the bottom that it caught my eye too, oh swords, Yeah, because you know it's in a cemetery. So I was like, oh, I really like that card. So the thing is is that, like the Ten of Pentacles, it starts on page one twenty seven in this book, but the reverse like very neatly, evenly perfectly falls onto page like one twenty eight, and then at the very bottom of the following pages where it has like the intro to Swords, and that little extra excerpt is there as part of the intro to Swords. And I was like, that's so weird because if we had drawn, if we had drawn this card in the upright position, I never probably would have looked at that excerpt, because I wouldn't have turned over the page and like been settled on that and just kind of like scanning.

1:16:17 Yeah. I like that. I like when stuff like that happens because it just adds like a little extra thing you weren't expecting, or yeah, and it totally fits, like what exactly what we're talking about? Yeah, it did, was meant to be, twas meant to be. Oh, I didn't even realize I put there's a spider on on my headstone here? Oh yeah, the deck I used this cap full of spiders. Oh would you look at the app? You're like, yeah, spider is Oh have a creepy day seam next Tuesday, you better not die on this come that?

1:16:59 Yeah, if you die, come back please either way you're coming back. You've no choice. Anyway. Why did it so well? Anyone else feel like? It's hot and panickyan here