Mysteries of Mount Rainier: Haunted Trails, Ghost Towns, and Bigfoot Encounters

0:00 There's also a pretty famous legend in this area of the vanishing hitchhiker. Okay. And it's kind of like the woman in white where she stands outside on the road and then wants you to pick her up and all of a sudden she disappears. She's like, "Bye, thanks for the ride." She's scary or she just like shows up and then you like run into her and she vanishes and turns like just traumatized for life. Bye, I just downloaded the Uber app. [laughter] No tip for you. Yeah. [music] Hi, Caitlyn.

0:40 Hi, Cassie. Hi, creepy people out there. Hello! If you're new to our creepy corner of the world, this is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we chat about true crime, the paranormal, and anything creepy in the Pacific Northwest. PNW, if you're nasty. We know you're nasty. You're nice to me. We see you. We see you. We also do a tarot reading at the end of every episode for a little bit of deeper insight into our topic. Our nasty topic. Our nasty topic. I don't why like the word nasty. I really do love it. I really do too. Like you really got to put some stank on it. Nice.

1:20 You're nice to me. I don't like the word stank. Yeah, I don't really either. I felt like I regretted that as soon as it came out of my mouth, which is these days I feel like, why do I even speak? I don't know. You should just just... I guess I have this microphone. I guess that's why. No, be loud. Be loud and proud. Yeah. Do you remember the other word I don't like? I don't like to tell people because then they throw it in my face. And it's not moist. I was gonna say I know it's not moist. It's... It's crotch. Oh yeah, I don't care for it.

2:01 Stanky crotch. Wow, that's really a nightmarish combo of words there. There's like the grossest taste in my mouth right now. Oh. Don't know. That was just out of my mouth. I was like, I don't know how I'm supposed to react to that, but I know how I feel. I'm not checking. Mm. Check in. Well, are you ready to continue our summer adventure shenanigans? Yeah. Because we're not done with summer yet, y'all. No, well, obviously not. It's like midway through summer. Right. I know. Me over here just being, well, angstily. You're like, yeah, it's not over yet.

2:42 No. I'm hot. Yeah, it's very hot. But we're going. You might get a little bit of relief from the heat. Because I'm going to be in a cave. No. Not a cave this time, I promise. Okay. Different. We're doing different things. We're not just sticking with the same old thing all summer. And you know what's more PNW than climbing a dang ol' mountain. A dang ol' mountain. A dang ol' mountain. A dang ol' mountain. You know, those are really cold at the top even in the summer. That's true. That's true. FYI. I guess you didn't know. That's why I like to hike them. Because I stay cool. Yes. I get that like, you know, I'm being active.

3:23 You get that like glistening, like, you know, blood rushing. Like, feels good. I look good. I'm not hot. I love being cold and then like getting myself warm, you know. No, I don't want to get warm. You know, you have to warm up a little bit. Like you can warm up without dying. Because it's cold. I mean, it's better than like the 10 mile hike that I did when it was like 90 plus degrees and we ran out of water before we made it to the lake. Oh God. Why? I don't know. Why? Hmm? Not really. You know where you are. That's actually a really good point that you bring up that really relates to this episode.

4:05 Because you have to be prepared for hiking. Like, especially mountain hiking. It's not just, oh, it's going to mountain. Go hiking. Yeah. You got to be prepared. Yeah, respect the mountain. Seriously. Yeah. She'll eat you. So we're headed about 61 miles southeast from Seattle to the cascades to the tallest mountain in Washington, a 14,411 foot tall active volcaNO volcaNO. I literally typo-d volcaNO Yeah.

4:46 I was like, wow, that's like really? My body is telling me I have no control over my irrational fear of all kinds. I was going to say that it's like almost a Freudian slip. Yeah. Volcanoes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Beerly deadly. You know, because lava. Yes. I'll never go to Hawaii. I think we've talked about it. Like, oh, you have to go to Hawaii. No. Absolutely not. That's like my personal anxiety. Well, no. Well, I'm glad we're not doing a destination in Hawaii. I'm never going to Hawaii. I don't even like, I don't have any desire to go to Hawaii. Like, none. Spoken like someone who has never been to Hawaii. I don't need to go. I feel like I just fall. Fall, but I'm convinced I had a past life in Pompeii and I just like won't have any of it.

5:31 Yeah. Not having it. Volcanoes. Volcanoes. Volcanoes. I don't know. Well, any pool. Mount Tahoma's. It's indigenous name. Last volcanic eruption was in 1894. So does that mean that we're like do for? I don't know. I feel like kind of maybe maybe in 2094. Hopefully not. Oh, yeah. Okay. It also has its own national park measuring at 369 miles. Ooh. Today we're talking about Mount Rainier.

6:13 Okay. Okay. I was like, I don't want to say. You're like, you brought, there was a lot of hints in there. I know, but I'm like, I have to assume that I remember anything. Yeah. I mean, I guess if you're not from here, you might not know. I mean, who knows maybe Mount Rainier is your Roman Empire? I don't know. Well, that means, but what happened to the Roman Empire? Okay. I'm going to have to show you that later. Is it an internet meme? It is. I don't internet. I know. But like, you really need to know this. It's like, it became such like viral trend because people were like finding out that apparently men think about the Roman Empire.

6:58 Yeah. Okay. I feel like we've talked about this. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. Maybe that's maybe that for you is Mount Rainier. I don't think about it. No. Exactly. But we have been there before in the first UFO episode I did where Kenneth Arnold sought the weird flying objects. You have those UAPs. UAPs. I made up a new thing. Weird flying objects. W-F-O. W. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. W-F-O. Anyway. So he saw those over Mount Rainier. That was a whole story if you are interested. You can go all the way back to like the ninth episode we did.

7:39 Maybe I'll link it for you if I'm feeling nice. Yeah. I'll just go to the search bar and type in UFO. Type in. I think it's called I believe or I want to know we change it. It's like a Pacific Northwest UFO. Oh. Okay. So I think it's like a Pacific Northwest UFO. I think it's like a Pacific Northwest UFO. I think it's like a Pacific Northwest UFO. I think it's like a Pacific Northwest UFO. I think it's like a Pacific Northwest UFO. I think it's like a Pacific Northwest UFO. I think it's like a Pacific Northwest UFO. I think it's like a Pacific Northwest UFO. I think it's like a Pacific Northwest UFO. I think it's like a Pacific Northwest UFO. I think it's like a Pacific Northwest UFO. I think it's like a Pacific Northwest UFO. I think it's like a Pacific Northwest UFO. I think it's like a Pacific Northwest UFO. I think it's like a Pacific Northwest UFO. I think it's like a Pacific Northwest UFO. I think it's like a Pacific Northwest UFO. I think it's like a Pacific Northwest UFO. I think it's like a Pacific Northwest UFO.

8:31 I think it's like a Pacific Northwest UFO. I think it's like a Pacific Northwest UFO. I think it's like a Pacific Northwest UFO. I think it's like a Pacific Northwest UFO. I think it's like a Pacific Northwest UFO. I think it's like a Pacific Northwest UFO. I think it's like a Pacific Northwest UFO. I think it's like a Pacific Northwest UFO. I think it's like a Pacific Northwest UFO. I think it's like a Pacific Northwest UFO. I think it's like a Pacific Northwest UFO. I think it's like a Pacific Northwest UFO. I think it's like a Pacific Northwest UFO. But even now, Camp Muir is the highest you can go up Mount Rainier without a permit. So like you have to be serious about hiking and get a permit. Okay. I don't know what you need for that. I mean, that makes sense because I'm sure if like they've probably figured out that's the point where if you go further, you need to be prepared because you can get like altitude sickness and other experience.

9:11 There's a lot of ice obviously at the top of the mountain. So you're going to have to be like, I don't know what you need. But you didn't know that. Wearing ice shoes and having ice picks and I don't know. Yeah. Is ice skating is that what you do up a mountain? You just just ice skating just super cash. That let's say you get down. Yeah, that makes sense. I should never have a hiking permit. Don't give me one. Don't give her a permit for God's sake. If you can make this eight mile round trip hike though with an elevation gain of 4,640 feet, the highest point at 10,080 feet. That's too many feet.

9:53 It's too many. But you'll get an amazing close up view of the mountain that a lot of people get to see. But that sounds really hard. I feel like people have probably taken pictures of that. Yeah, there's pictures. We'll post some. So you don't even have to do it. I know. Honestly, work smarter, not harder. Some campers at Mount Rainier saw strange lights in the sky that could not have been in their opinion. Normal aircraft or satellites. Okay. They were blue dots moving in an irregular pattern. A regular pattern is kind of a theme with these UAP UFOs.

10:36 It's either that or they're two synchronized. Right. Or I don't know. They move away too quickly. The speed is also another thing that comes up once. Yeah, and I think that was one of the things. I don't like any of that. It makes me think of a spider. They move in a very sometimes irregular way. Like the jumping ones. Yeah. I had one that was so cute. Fast. The other day in my tub. Don't tell me. Yeah. She killed it. He's fine. He told me he was an Olympic swimmer. Uh-huh. Okay. I saw one of the not spiders, the daddy long legs on my door the other day.

11:17 It's just like hanging out. And I was like, oh, hi. I was like, you're not a spider. You're okay. And I just, so now I talk to him every time I leave if he's still there. No. You're cute. Okay. I like tiny puppies. And that's a gross mischaracterization. Characterization of puppies. I like to talk. I can't even talk. I'm so uncomfortable. So you would be uncomfortable if you were here too because all of these people woke up nauseous and not remembering what else happened the rest of the night after they saw the weird lights. Okay. I don't think anybody likes it, but I think you know how I feel about nausea.

11:57 Yeah. I find it nauseating. It's so nauseating. It's severely nauseating. I'm never going to stop. I'm never stopping. No apologies. Everything is so severe. These same campers also experienced a couple more weird things. In their camp that they had set up, they came across a tree that had an in loving memory and a couple that had apparently passed away. Like there? Yeah. Like on one of the trees that was in the site that they decided to make for their camp. I mean that's cute, I guess, but I would just be like, nope. This gives me the egg of out.

12:37 Well, it's like did they die there? Or what's it I'm saying? Was that just like their favorite spot? I don't know. They don't know either. My whole face is just like so itchy now. Oh, sorry. Don't it you'll take your makeup off. I know. I'm trying really hard to like sort of touch it. Yeah. Oh, well, I mean, you know, this is like my episode. So it's not going to get better, you know? So around midnight, one of them heard a man singing that progressively got closer and closer. And when all of a sudden the singing stops, it was replaced with what sounded like a man and a woman having a conversation.

13:17 Okay, well, never meet a man. Certainly don't talk to him after he's just like randomly breaking out in song. Well, the thing is like this isn't a camp. It's not a camping ground. It's the wilderness that people decide to camp in. So why is that guy there singing in the middle of the night? Yeah, there's nobody around. There's nobody there. I rest my case. Like, yeah, this is not good. And they also never saw a flashlight or anything. And that seemed a little off for people to be walking around in nature, treacherous nature, wilderness without a flashlight next to a cliff. Okay, I'm just picturing some super creepy guy like singing to himself, walking around in night vision goggles.

14:01 Yeah. And I'm immediately I'm like, all right, well, I gotta go. Well, that just means it's Brennan. It's time for others. It's okay, it might not move equality. Oh, man. I know that's not in reference to the night vision goggles. Okay, but when we're 40. Yeah. Wait, what's the other? They're not even that noticeable on your face. Yes, that is about the night vision goggles. Oh, boy. Okay. If you guys ever need someone to like go to a trivia night exclusively about step-brothers, we could do it.

14:44 Yeah, these two gals. Yes. Hopefully we're playing for money. Of course. Why else would you play trivia for fun? I think a lot of people do it for fun. Oh, no judgment. I'm not going to yak your yum. Okay. Oh, oh, there's more. Oh, oh, there's more. Oh, my God. I love it. One of them even felt something shaking their tent. Maybe it was windy. Was it windy? I mean, if you're an experienced camper and all you probably are afraid of normal winds, for sure. I don't know.

15:24 No one else's tent was shaking. So I don't know. Maybe. I don't know like that, really. Then they found bear human-like footprints in the sand twice the width in about three inches longer than an average dude foot. Okay, so wait. This has been described as a bear slash B-A-R-E. Bear human. Yeah. Okay, I was like, 'cause bears, and human feet are very different. They're all different. Yeah. Who's like, is this some sort of a hybrid?

16:04 Like, how concerned do I need to be? Because here's the thing is I think we've established that we're team bear. Yeah. But like not if there are bare-man hybrids out there. Man bear pig. Right. Exactly. Yeah, not to be trusted. No, they weren't, they were naked feet to use. Naked. They also found naked handprints that would make an average man's hands look like toddler hands. So it was like quite a bit bigger than average man hand. Okay. I don't see the big deal. I've been doing that for like decades. My hands make everyone's hands. I guess it's like actually the opposite. Yeah. Yeah, everyone's hands make yours look like toddler hands, which they're so small.

16:48 They're like freakish. They're just basically the size of, they don't even look like, they are not. I mean, a toddler goes average until like around age 11. I do mean in size because like man hands are, they kind of act like toddler hands already. So they're just real grabbing. No, no. Just touching things. They're sticky. Yes. You don't know the last time they were. You don't know the last time they were washed. I hope. Hey, let's take a shower. I want to be fun. Yeah.

17:29 In this person's story, they quoted, "I don't know what a person would be doing walking along the side of a river, Barefoot. If you know anything about Washington, it's that there's constantly sharp rocks along the river and ocean with very little sand. That seems accurate about Washington." Yeah. I don't know, I've walked Barefoot on like the beaches in Washington. Yeah, it's like a river though. It's not like a beach. So the rivers don't have like a bunch of sandy. Yeah, I mean, even up on like Orcas Island, you know, like up in the sandwands. It's very rocky. Yeah. I don't know, but it's, but it is not, this isn't the coast either.

18:11 It's way more inland. Yeah. So it's like even more rocky. More rocks. So many rocks in Washington. Many rocks. Washington. It's severely rocky. Are we sick of me yet? Cause I am. No, I love it. I'm living for this. I am severely in love with it. So a couple of friends were leaving Mount Rainier after a day of hiking. Sounds like a good idea. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, people stay in camp with it. You know, they didn't hike that long. So they were leaving. Yeah. They were leaving in their car. They were driving out. And it was winter.

18:52 So it was pretty snowy up there. Not a lot of people around cause it's hard to drive in the snow. Yeah. And they were driving for about 30 minutes and thought it was weird. They kept passing this same distinct tree like three or four times. Oh no, they're like stuck in a loop. And all of a sudden the air got oddly warm and heavy. Yeah. Yeah. And so the car in front of, there was a car in front of them and they stopped quickly. And they see like on the tree line, the short looking person with like a hooded robot running into the trees.

19:34 And the passenger already had their camera up cause they were like taking selfies in the car. Okay. Yeah. So they like reflexes like a cat. They snapped a picture and then they felt like a strong terrifying presence. Like it just felt like uncomfortable and achy. Yeah. And then this thing like skitter, they said it skittered off faster than they ever worst way to describe how skittered. That's why it kept like the quote cause they were like it skittered off faster and quieter than seems should be possible. Yeah. I mean, they were kind of far they were in a car so I don't know how they could have really heard them but apparently it made no sound.

20:17 Oh, like it. And they couldn't make out any of the facial features. Okay. Great. Well, maybe it's too far. Yeah. I'm sure it's not because it doesn't have any. Yeah. You can see I have pictures here. Right. Okay. So that's the picture of the thing. You can see it like off on the right hand side of the photo. You see that? I do. It looks far so I don't know how you would nail anything. The facial features. Yeah. And oh, you can't see some of the snow. They were kind of down further on the mountain by that point. So I don't know.

20:57 I'm trying to zoom in on this thing. You can't though. It does look like it's wearing a hood though. I mean, it kind of looks like a leprechaun. I'm not going to lie. Ooh. It does? A little. Right. It's hard to tell because it's like very indistinct. But wait. There's more. Great. I love it when there's more. So neither of them felt well and found it hard to focus afterwards. Same. Well, that's just my default though. Yeah, apparently it was worse than normal if that was there normal.

21:38 This is when they got back home and they even woke up having the vomit in the middle of the night. No, thank you. A mornaja. Yeah. Was this? And this has happened to me more than once recently. Oh. Remember? Like I've told you about this because it's had to do with, you know, and like a chronic medical condition, obviously. But yeah. Well, did you also have trouble sleeping and have wear disturbing dreams? I mean, like, hello, have we met? Okay. I always have trouble sleeping. I haven't been having weird dreams. Not recently. Well, I have a new theory. Okay.

22:19 They said this thing was short. God damn it. It's Taylor. She's the hooded. Why am I nauseous? Because you are trying to pass your nausea off on other people. I'm like, I'm done with this. You take it. I don't take it out to Rainier and give other people my nausea. That's amazing. It's not Kayla. Okay. There's also a pretty famous legend in this area of the vanishing hitchhiker. Okay. And it's kind of like the woman in white where she stands outside on the road and then wants you to pick her up and all of a sudden she disappears.

23:01 She's like, bye. Thanks for the ride. I'm just going to carry her. Or she just like shows up and then you like run into her and she vanishes. Yeah. And then her like just traumatized for life. Yeah. Bye. I just downloaded the Uber app. No tip for you. Yeah. Yeah. The Wonderland Trail is what circles the base of Mount Rainier. And it's said to be haunted by hikers who have passed away on the trail over the years. Okay. Because it's like I said, it's very treacherous. It's the dangle wilderness you guys. We're full.

23:42 And visitors have heard ghostly whispers in fuel presence while hiking along this trail, especially at night. I mean, that makes sense, I guess. Are you hiking at night though? Yeah, probably do this. I mean, not the best. I don't know. Like in the summertime. Because they're not saying it's after dark. They're just saying like evening. Yeah. I feel like it's night. Like night night. Yeah. Like night night time. I'm going to go night night. Yeah. It's gark outside. They need to go night night intense and stop hiking around. I'm not sure if that trail if you need to camp on it or I don't know.

24:22 I don't know. I don't know how things work in this Mount Rainier. I've never been there. I don't know. But a lot of people do go missing here very unfortunately. Like I said, like a lot of people, like a lot of people, like I said, you need to be fully prepared. Like have your water, have food, have tell people where you're going. Yes. Because it's also really dangerous for searchers to search for you if you're missing. And then they have to put their life in jeopardy for you. Yeah. Because you weren't prepared. Not victim blaming you. Yeah. But it goes back to like, you know, it's dick road, don't be a dick.

25:03 Kind of a mentality at least. Just be prepared. Yeah. Everything you do. Be safe. And often people aren't never even found because it's so big and treacherous. Sometimes they can't look in certain areas. Well, sometimes you're just, I mean that happens on mountains like Everest. Like that's obviously a far more extreme. Yeah. But we'll see something kind of like that in a minute. I know. I mean, plus there's animals too. Yeah. So bears. Bears. As amazing as bears are, bring your bear wings. Yeah.

25:43 Like, given the choice between a man and a bear hypothetically, we know how everyone feels, I think at this point, but still maybe be prepared. Because like bears can also be dicks. Yeah. Don't just like go to a bear and give it a hug, you know, a bear hug. I mean, I know that's a bear hug. Oh, bear hug. Miss leading. Gives a bear a bear hug. Don't do that. It's really misleading. Yeah. Yeah. Did you know that I named my first baby was named Grizzly? Because he was, when he was a kid and I first met him, he would like, and like attack his other brothers and sisters like a bear and he would like stand on it. And he was black and like kind of brown.

26:25 He was so cute. So cute. I know. So he was my little Grizzly. Oh. He's also my mom's cat. I have to mention that too. I love you, mommy. Thank you for taking my cat. Love you, man. Love you, man. Yeah. Because there's, there's a point in your life where you know, you move on and move out of the things that you were doing, adulting and how you give your pets to your mom. My mom would be like, I think you forgot this. My mom also has my snake. Cause I'm trash. I forgot about this. It's still alive. I've had it since it was 18. It's name is Angel. It's a porn snake.

27:08 That is like, I didn't realize snakes lived that long. Yeah. Neither did I. Neither did my mom. She's like, I have regret. She likes this. Well, yeah, that's what she tells you. She does. Mommy comments in the Patreon if you like the snake. Name. Name. I do have to pause for a second and just really quickly say that the snake is no longer with us. Her name was Angel and she was about 16, 17 years old. I got her when I was like 18, 19. They said she was a baby, no clue how old she was.

27:51 But so yeah, very sad. Very interesting that we were talking about her and then I was editing this episode and she had passed like the day before I started editing and realized that, oh, we were talking about her. So I just had to quickly come on and say something. She will be missed. RIP Angel. Another group of people hiking up the mountain. A lot of groups of people hike up the mountain, which is good. Don't go alone. Yeah, also that. And this is like intense like snow ice hiking. Like they were going up the mountain, like in the permit. They've got like the snowshoes and all that.

28:32 They got all the things. They were very prepared. Nothing went wrong with with their shit except for things out of their control. I was going to say first of all, I don't believe you. So they stopped to tent camp for the night and one of them woke up hearing footsteps of multiple people crunching around in the snow. Like I said, even up further, there's like nobody around because not a lot of people do this. Yeah. They're basically alone and they look out of their tent and they see nothing but they still hear these footsteps. Like it sounds like they're marching around the tent. That's so much creepier. It is creepy. It was kind of funny though because I didn't write this down but they said something about they thought it might be goats because like apparently if the goat is like to they like smell your food or something.

29:24 Oh, okay. So there's wild goats after that. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Let me send the goats. Like the one that is zoo. Like do you think they're the same kind? I don't know. I like the mountain goats. They say goats. Actually, I don't like goats. I feel about goats similarly to how I feel about geese and it's because I have a very similar experience with a goat. Oh. So I got I saw this reel. I know I'm not like never on Facebook but I open it one day and I saw this reel of a goat and like a double costume. And it was like who got this with the sign of the double and it's just this cute goat. They like they looked at this little guy and it's like they are.

30:05 They are. Oh, but yeah, some of them are serious assholes. I never met an asshole goat. My dad has goats. Their names are Burton Ernie. Stop it. And they're obsessed with each other and they can't be parted. Yeah. Well, you know, it's really cute. That's adorable. So another person in their group ended up waking up and they also heard it. So it was like confirmed. Okay. Yeah. And this goes on for about 15 to 20 minutes and then eventually fades away and in the morning, they found no footprints besides their own. No animal prints, no human prints, no big footprints, no mermaid prints, nothing. Okay. Well, that's the part that I really dislike.

30:51 I mean, it's honestly hard to choose because I dislike so much of that. But what else could make the sound of like people like marching, crunching and like you don't leave no print and leave no prints. He did say earlier in this story that they, he heard like a big crack right before this, but it ended up being a crack in the eye, like in the glacier. They found a crack in the morning. So I'm like could something be shifting under there making, but I don't know. I feel like that sound was pretty distinct. Yeah. That's like a really loud sound. I would think.

31:32 And they were far enough away from it that like they mistook that. The footsteps. I don't know. I don't know. And that seems far fetched. Either way, it's kind of interesting that they heard like marching type footsteps because earlier that day, they had passed the marine memorial, a large boulder with a bronze plaque on the east side of round pass, which I don't really know what that is. It's some sort of pass in this hike. It's about 3.8 miles from dry creek, which I don't know if it's actually a dry creek. Yeah. They're like, oh, actually, that's just like a total misnomer. It's fully a creek. It's a, it's a creek.

32:13 Yeah, it's a creek. And this is looking at a view of the south to home a glacier. Okay. So on December 10th, 1946, the military plane disappeared transporting marine soldiers. They were not able to search for them due to extreme weather conditions. It was December. The weather conditions likely caused the plane to crash into the side of the mountain. Oh no. Thanks. The next July, July, they had to wait. A ranger found the missing plane crash on the south to home a glacier.

32:55 Four weeks later, the missing marines remains were finally found as well, but they were so high up on the face of the glacier that it was too hazardous and they sadly could not be returned home. Oh no. I would haunt the fuck out of that place. Yeah. So this is the final resting place of the 32 US marines that perished in this crash. It is so sad. In the fact that it took them four weeks to find them after they found the plane. Yeah. And that's months later as well.

33:36 That's crazy. It's really sad. It makes sense. But it's just like that really drives home. If you get lost, they literally cannot look for you in some places. If you get lost, I just feel so bad for their families too. Because when they can't locate. Yeah. And you don't know where you don't know if it crashed or if it's safe. Yeah. I mean, like there's still got to be a part of you that's thinking, like, well, maybe they're going to come back somehow. Oh, I know it sucks. And at the time, it was the worst aircraft accident in the US and still is Mount Rainier's greatest tragedy.

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35:58 Sometimes it's like you don't even know me. Or do I know you so well that I can push you little buttons? I think two things can be true. All right. There's no doll heads this time. I don't know what's going on. Guys, I feel like she's lying to me. There's not doll heads. Back in the 18 and 1900s, Alder Lake was not a lake at all. It was actually a logging and mining town. Just Alder. Just Jack. Oh my god. I've been watching so much Will and Grace. How you? I feel like I need to watch that.

36:38 It's just been like all in the background. Yeah. It's my new new girl, my old new girl. I mean, it is older than new girl. And that's confusing. I just, yeah. We could spiral on that for a minute. I just rotate through. Like, I used to keep that on all the time. It was just honest. I remember TV when you put it on a channel and it would just replay the same thing for hours. Yeah. Yeah. That's basically what I'm doing now. Yeah. Just going back to my childhood. It's an Aussie, buddy, goodie. In 1942, the town was evacuated to build the Nisqually Dam, which is why it's a lake these days.

37:20 Okay. That makes sense. All right. Well, kind of. Yeah. Like, the other ghost town we talked about recently, there wasn't any mention of creepy doll heads. But there wasn't. And suddenly, now there is just, I just got to say it. In other news, creepy doll heads. It's a knot spider. But when Alder Lake reaches its lowest water, Walder. Walder. Walder. Walder Alder. Walder Alder. Walder Alder. Walder Alder. But when Alder Lake reaches its lowest water level in the summer, hikers can walk through the old town via the Alder Lake loop.

38:03 I don't know. I don't know if I like that. That's kind of like that. It makes me think of that creepy lake. It's somewhere in the summer. It's like linear. It's in my heart. It's totally in my nose. That's what I thought of too. Yeah, but it's not as creepy as that. But you could see remains of buildings and pipes, some old-timey shoes, or dishes, or machinery, tires, or a casual rusty model A ford engine. I just kept waiting. I'm like, she's going to say rusty doll head. I'm going to rost her doll head. No, it's all head. Stop bringing it up. You played to this.

38:45 You inception day into my brain. I'm just going to say it out of you. It's all I can think about. I did put a good reminder in this article I was reading though that I think I didn't even think about the last time. If you go to these ghost towns and find stuff like this, leave it there. Don't take the shoe because it's cooler. If you find a cool fort, don't take it. I could see where it would be possibly tempting for other people, not in impulse that I would have. Also, you don't want to take a fucking ghost home. You just don't touch it.

39:28 Maybe if you find something cool, contact a museum and tell them about it, if you think that's where it should be, but otherwise just leave it there. For history. Okay. History. For past-dirty. History? It's not your story. Okay. Mm-hmm. I was like, mostly because history and it's rude. I love that. Yeah. And this is where I was like, it totally reminds me of Lake Linear, which is the Georgia. I want to say. Yeah. I can chat. I think it's Georgia. And this whole lake was built on top of a town.

40:08 And a lot of deaths happen there. Like crazy amount of deaths. I hate deaths. But if you know anything about Lake Linear, you're like, I'm not surprised at all. But I was wholly fucked up history. Yeah, I don't. I'm not quite remembering the history. I know they did something to the town and they wanted it covered up. Yeah. So it was basically like an established community of folks of color. Black people. Black people. That was it there. Mm-hmm. I've probably made this story so many times on ghosty pods. And I, yeah. I hear so many things that everything gets kind of jumbled up.

40:50 Yeah. Yeah. And sometimes you're like, ooh, do I remember this right? I don't want to give people the wrong idea or whatever. It is Georgia. It is Georgia. What I do remember is like people say they feel like hands trying to pull them down or like brushing up against hair or something like that. Nope. Nope. I don't like water either. So I will not be sewing in any lakes, um, oceans. I wouldn't swim in that water. Fuck that. I'll do pools with clear bottoms. Thank you. That's my preference. But I do, I like lakes sometimes. It sucks too because I really love the water. It's just terrifying.

41:30 Yeah. Like even the beach, I don't like to put my whole legs on my feet in there. Oh, it's scary. That's all a little fish's one time. I don't like it. Oh yeah, I don't want. I don't want little fish's wash up. Yeah. I don't want things like nibbling on my tutsis. And there's jellyfish all over the place too. Oh yeah. Oh, I sure. I always wear my shoes in the water and everyone's like, what the fuck is wrong with them? What are you doing? I'm me. I'm doing my own thing. You do your thing. I am business. Yeah. Let people be. But out. There's actually another ghost town in the area. It was a mining town from the 1900s called Melmont.

42:13 And there, this was a pretty big town. I think it said 200 something people, which at the time that was a pretty big town. I feel like that sounds vaguely familiar. I don't know that I know anything about it. This one is about it. This one is about it. This one is about it. This one is about it. The popular one in the area. Okay. So you might have heard of this. That makes sense. And they had a school, a post office, a whole moon, a train station, and a hotel. I mean, they're practically a, they're a big city. Props of brothel. Yeah. You can't go anywhere without one of those. It's true. I'm just thinking of those old pace salsa commercials back in the day. New York City. I don't know why. Like, yeah.

42:53 Was it a brothel? He gets his, he gets his salsa from a big city, you know. Saloon. Yeah. No salsa. I know, but I'm saying like saloon. Like, this vibe is salsa. Yeah. I don't think anyone was eating a ton of salsa back then. I feel like that was a, it's kind of funny because like what I wrote this sentence about like, linear, you know, but then we had to just talk about it. Yeah. But in my sentence, I wrote, this place isn't as scary and deadly as like, linear. Holy guacamole. So we have a theme.

43:33 Okay. So if you want to try and tell me that all of this is not connected, first of all, I don't believe you. You don't got a lie to kick it. Yeah. You know, we go together like guacamole and salsa. Yeah. Which one's your salsa and I'm guacamole? I don't know. I feel like salsa seems healthier and can sometimes be spicy. Yeah. So I feel like that would be you and I feel like I, I'm like, I want to be like that. I'm trying to spin this not to say it the way I initially thought and be more like body positive about it. I'm like, it's healthy fat. Yeah. It is.

44:13 I'm workable. I'm wearing green. And yeah, I was just like that. And you're wearing green. There it is. Yeah. And guacamole is always extra. Guacamole could be spicy too. It can. And you're kind of spicy sometimes. I prefer that it's not. But you know, you don't want to eat spicy, but like you are spicy. Yeah. You could be spicy without eating it. Because you were to eat spicy guacamole and that would be cannibalism. I'm going to give you spicy guacamole though. Oh, I hurt my tummy. Oh no. No. But okay. So they had all this stuff. They were living in this town. All the stuff we just went over. Yeah. And when the minds eventually began to close down, Melma was abandoned.

45:00 Yeah. Also a forest fire hit it pretty soon after. And that insured it would remain forever a ghosty town. Yeah. That makes sense. You're like, well, we're kind of done like pillaging the earth and then you know, the earth fought back with fire. So it's full. Oh, this is a different one. I was like, it's a lake. No, that's weird. But that's the other one. You're like, it's been all of the elements. Two of the ghost towns. Yeah. This one is actually not a lake and you can still, you can hike through this one too. And you can see old building walls, railroad tracks and old bridges too. I mean, not the thing you could do.

45:43 I think that would be cool. That would probably be. It's the most creepy as the little one. It's more historical. Yeah. And this one actually has a bridge that is in use and it's on the National Register of Historic Places. It's right next to Melma. It's called the Fairfax Bridge. Oh, okay. There's nothing particularly spooky about it other than the fact that it was originally named the O-Farrell Bridge. Yeah. Yeah. It's spelled like you're, so you're going to become a barrel. Yeah. And then I bring up this bridge right before your wedding. I know. We're going to be in a little bit of a wedding theme today.

46:24 Yeah. So I know I keep saying we're not talking about Bigfoot, but we're going to talk a little bit about Bigfoot again. So there have been at least six reported Bigfoot in this area. A park ranger ran into a hairy biped on Mount Rainier in the summer of 2006. And they heard something slamming rocks together, which is like that's a big sign of a Bigfoot by it. Yeah. They like either like knocking on trees or like hitting rocks together. I feel like I've heard the tree knocking thing.

47:06 I didn't realize the rocks. Yeah. So I'm just afraid of everything that's outside. It's like great. But Bigfoot, I feel like, I don't know. Well, I guess if they kill you, then you don't report it and nobody ever knows. Yeah. I think the Bifits don't like typically like kill that many people, but I think they kind of do. I mean, it's hard to say. Yeah. Ooh. I think there's like reports of people disappearing and stuff, but I don't know. I like to look on the good side of Bigfoot. I think that's why I'm like putting it off, you know. Because I think I want to like them. They thought it was bear, but they ended up seeing a dark brown leg and I assume like not a bear leg because like human and bear legs look a little bit different.

47:51 Yeah. I kind of wore like a human leg and then they saw a face. Okay. So that's definitely not a bear because like a sh*t. I assume they say face. I assume they mean like a human face. If it was a bear face, I don't think they would have written this story out. Okay. Oh, fair. I guess that's fair. Maybe. I don't know. Fair themed. A biologist was out there one day and ended up seeing a brown human like creature stand up in the forest and run away on two legs. Okay. So again, probably not a bear because if a bear were to run, I don't run that way. They don't run that way.

48:32 They don't run that way. Yeah. They're not cartoon bears. They're not bears. I'm looking for a picnic basket. Can you imagine just seeing a bear walking around with like a tie? It's so cute. It's so cute. Adorable. Don't give it a hug. I know. Probably also like if you have a picnic basket, just like toss it and run. You know, you probably can't share it with the bear. That's a much. They're not big on sharing their bears. They're like, I have a bear of an appetite.

49:13 So there was a hobby prospector out on Mount Rainier looking around and I'm not really sure like what a prospector means. We can check. Like I can look it up. Yeah. Okay. A prospector is someone looking for mineral deposits. Oh, okay. They're usually after gold. It's a type of explorer, but one with a specific purpose. So I feel like that could even be just in terms of like looking for land that can be developed and things like that.

49:54 Like depending on the point in history and whatever the context is, but okay. Minerals. Yeah, after rocks. They said that he was hobbyist. So he's just out there looking for pretty rocks. Yeah. Basically like same. Okay. So this man's was out there looking for his pretty rocks and ended up having a face to face encounter with another prospector. Maybe. Maybe it's a big but prospector. So he ended up having an encounter with a reddish brown hairy humanoid figure that was on all fours.

50:35 But he kind of have like wrinkly patchy skin. Like maybe he had like a skin disease. Oh. Or like a dog with like too many things that like it just all the time. Yeah. Yeah. And it was so creepy. Like big raccoon feet. It sounds kind of like a bear. Oh, but it had like a human face. Yeah. It says a short muzzle. Oh my God. You know who I'm thinking of. Fuck. What's his name? From Guardians of the Galaxy. It's like he looks kind of like a yes. Yeah. Yeah.

51:15 He doesn't have a short enough muzzle. I don't think I think probably there's more of a coon muzzle. Yeah. Well, she it. And it had disturbing sky blue eyes. And they were like in a stare down. So he had like a stare down with these sky blue creepy eyes. So I'm not sure what this is. It doesn't sound like an animal that would be there. It doesn't really sound like a big foot. Not really familiar with whatever that is. Yeah. I'm trying to think. Yeah, that was like completely naked like the gumber rule or something. Oh, yeah. I think that was like a naked mole rat type.

51:56 Yeah. I can't think of anything that really seems like it like ideally matches up. Like it checks all the boxes, you know? Let me look up because I'm like it kind of does remind me of the gumber rule. Let's see. A fat black bear. Oh, it is completely hairless. It's a fritz prominent eyebrows. Remember that. He's got the what's his face? What's his butt? The rock. Levi. What is it? Levy Eugene. Oh, you love me. You love me. You love me. You're just I mean they're expressive.

52:37 They're their own character. Do you think they have their own Instagram? They should. Someone's done it. Someone has to have right. All right. Well, that's that is Mount Rainier. There is actually some other stuff about Mount Rainier. Like I know I think there's some other creepy shit about it. Like yeah, I'm sure in it's a whole last mountain. I know. I can't remember if it was this mountain when we were talking to what's his butt James from the Margie's outdoor store. Yes. Was it not Rainier?

53:19 He was saying has like some sort of door in it that like you were supposed to fly in it on him. Oh, I think so. I feel like yeah. So also that. Yeah. So that might be this mountain. Might be another mountain. I don't know about. I mean, maybe just fact check us. Go back and listen to that and make sure we're talking about the right mountain. You go do the research. Okay. That is so helpful. We're like really busy steaming napkins. So I'm going to blink when I do some people like to brag. I'm over here just trying not to be too pressing and missing it. I'm so nervous. I'm so nervous. I don't want to talk about it.

54:02 We'll go back. I have a literal problem buying concert tickets. It's my toxic trait. Yeah. I broke money. Real. I mean money. Society is big. It's fine. Everything's big. Well, anyway, do you think we should do some tarot for this spirited mountain goddess who won't eat you in her cave? Probably. Yes. Let's do some tarot. I brought my big deck. I think it's the deck card.

54:44 Okay. Yeah. They're playing cards. So we're going to do a little card card. What's it called? Cartography. Cartography or Cartamansi? Cartamansi? Is it? Okay. Hold on. That's weird because I was thinking Cartamansi too, but I was like that's big. I'm we made that up. Are you sure that? No. Cartamansi is fortune telling by means of playing cards. Okay. What's Cartography? Oh, wait. Is that like a mapping thing? Look up Cartography. Yeah, we're sure. The thing. The science or practice of drawing maps. Yeah. I pulled that straight out of my B hole. Like you guys, Cassie is a scientist and a witch.

55:28 Do you want to hear something funny? I actually have a funny story. Obviously. We're going to talk more about this place. I think in a creepy people chronicles because I kind of have like a little story. All right. But this is funny. So, I went to Paxton Gate, which is like a creepy story. It has crystal little bones. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like a bunch of weird creepy stuff. I went to go to there. So, there was this tray of bones that said like raccoon baculum and whatever baculum and baculum. And I was like, oh, are these penises? That one. Are these penis bones? No. And one of the girls in the village is like, uh-huh. And my mom was like, how do you know that?

56:08 And I was like, how do you know that? I have no clue. If you were to ask me what a penis bone would call, I have no idea. She literally didn't know. We had to Google it. I still don't remember. But seeing the word and seeing like the bone, I guess. I'm doing this because like the raccoon one was like this big. I didn't buy one. I should have. I should have. Maybe next time I go. She's like, I'm ready for the bachelor at party. That's what I'm bringing to kill on bachelor at. I'm going to bring a shit ton of animal penis bones. Okay. So, I'm standing there like, I don't know how I know this stuff.

56:50 Like I just like absorbs stuff from somewhere and like pull it out of my bum. So, I thought this is like, why I'm good at trivia and I don't know why. Like people always tell me I'm really good at trivia. Pretty good at like jeopardy too sometimes. Did you know the animals had bones in their penises? I mean, I guess not. I don't really spend that much time thinking about animal penises. But I mean, me neither. She's like, it's only my Roman Empire. That might be true.

57:30 Honestly, okay, not in a creepy way though, only in like just like Macabre. Just like you know, like a, what do they call it? Like monster bait porn type of way. I read nasty books. Nice. There was one about a moth. Okay, why don't really want to know how to suck her. It's fine. Okay, we're going to do a tarot. We're going to let that simmer with you guys. And if you need book recommendations, hit me up or a support group, you know. Okay. Tarot. We're doing tarot for Mount Rainier.

58:14 Territ. We might look a little different. If you're on the video, we took a break. That we did. Cassie's gonna shuffle again. She's going to Shufle. She's not really sure why. She wasn't feeling it. Oh, cute. Oh, do you know what card that is? There's no clue because it's backwards. Okay, flip it. What card is it, Cassie? Let me see. Oh, what is that? Cassie, what is it? Oh, Cassie, you look so pretty. Your hair is so, so pretty. What card is that? Cassie? Oh my god. Don't keep us in suspense. What card is it? How did you get to my microphone?

58:55 I know. What card was that? It was the fool. What? How funny. Earlier though, should we talk about our conversation? Okay, hold on. I think I have to show and tell them. Okay. I planned to use this deck because it's big fun. And I was like, oh, cool. And then, you know, I took out the cards and very cool back, but very disappointing because they're just playing cards. They're just playing cards. And I was like, oh, but we better draw the fool because big fun is on the fool card. And I was like, so we have to draw the fool.

59:37 And then I was like, ah, fuck these cards. Like they're boring because what are the chances that we'll draw the fool? And look for that Joker card. And I even had this. I had it set it out. You set it out. And I was like, we're going to just use this and set it out. And I was like, man, just going to put it away. So serves me right. We're going to go ahead and set that right out there. And I wish that we had recorded that conversation because I feel like no one believes me. I mean, I barely believe you and I was here. So I'm such a fucking witch, dude. I can't even. Oh, okay. Oh, it's so funny. Okay.

1:00:17 So should I even read this? Do we need to at this point? Is that? I think we still need to read it. I'll go ahead and look in the little book too. And read that. Yeah. Okay. All right. So our key words are innocence, beginnings, trust, hope, and opportunity. The first card in the major arcana, arcana, the fool begins your journey toward wisdom. Who's the first one? I think after Cassidy forever and ever and ever, amen. And the wisdom never comes. Yeah.

1:00:57 This is an abominable, mountainous. I guess. I, okay. Slightly before I forget like what I'm talking about. We did talk about like people hiking up the mountain. And I just feel like that's kind of like a fool's journey to like hiking up the mountain. And it's so dangerous. And yeah. And then the traditional sort of deck that most of us are somewhat familiar with. It also looks like you're standing on the edge of a cliff or on a mountain. So for sure. I feel like that fits. So weird because we pulled this twice during my summer episodes. We pulled it for the K1 too. Huh. We are now motherfuck.

1:01:37 Just a fool's summer. She's chasing you. Okay. And we drew this in the upright. Okay. When the fool appears in a reading, it usually means you're about to embark on a new way of life. You're open to new experiences and to discovering what lies around the bend. Up the mountain. Even if you're not sure about the path you've chosen, you have faith that everything will turn out well. The hiking path. You probably feel out of sync with the rest of the world, but in a good way.

1:02:22 You hear the beat of a different drummer and you're ready to march to it. Oh, wait. Holy fucking shit you guys. What? Okay. So, obviously it's been a minute since we actually recorded the bulk of the episode. And I kind of like went through and reminded my own self what it was about. Yeah. Do you remember we talked about the plane crash with the Marines and the person heard like marching outside of the tent all night? Oh my gosh. And you just said like march to the beat of the literally we talked about like marching. That's crazy. That's wild. Okay. Happy I remembered that.

1:03:02 I was trying really hard to like remind myself what this was about because I thought I know it's really important with the terror out to know the episodes about. Wow. So cool. Okay. Let's see. Okay. Should I read all three bullets? Go for it. Okay. Read Iverna what's going to come up. Okay. In a reading about money, the fool urges caution. You may be too trusting or you may be naive when it comes to handling financial matters. This card can also represent the first stage of a business or investment. Examine details carefully.

1:03:42 There was a ghost town. I'm pretty sure. Yes. You know, like starting up a town and then you know it doesn't go so well later when it was like a mining town. You know, I think it wasn't. I think it wasn't. You know, it's like this is no longer needed. Pay attention to your intuition, not only logic. If the reading is about your work, the fool can indicate starting a new job, project or business venture, beginning a course of study or going on a business trip. You're looking forward to this adventure or new direction and its possibilities.

1:04:28 Notice the opportunity with an open mind. You have a lot to learn. In a reading about love, this card often means beginning a romance or moving into a new stage in an existing relationship. A new relationship may feel fated as if you've met your soulmate. Enjoy this period of joy, openness and excitement. Or did you meet Bigfoot and find us big footprints and handprints that made you look like a toddler? I don't know.

1:05:10 The quest for meaning always takes us into the unknown. That's what it's about. This fool card is so like about adventure and going into the unknown and yeah. I don't know if you recall the point where you stop and then you need a pass to go the rest of your way at the moment. It's like the little camp. And back in the day, the Native Americans wouldn't take people up there because they were just scared of it. They were like, yeah, probably no for you. That seems dangerous, you guys. You guys are really wearing practical footwear.

1:05:52 I bet people did not listen. You know, white people. Am I right? Because the, what spirit, the mountain spirit, spirit of the mountain to Homa will get you. Swallow you into her mouth, her maw. Please know. That's so cool that we got like a bunch of cards on these. I like it. It's mountainy episodes. It's so much fun. Okay, I'm going to read the little story in the Pacific Northwest. Terror booklet. It's a sea otter. Navite, spontaneity, innocence, carefree, living in the moment.

1:06:36 Yellow. I'm assuming that's an ad in. No, so is it right here. Beginning a journey. A leap. Don't leave off the mountain. No. The otter had never left the bay. Why would he? The water was warm and the abalone, abalone. Abalone. What the fuck is abalone? We'll talk about it later. Like your mom and I'm like, um, like the abalone. And the abalone plentiful. It's a fish. Kind of figured it was something that otters eat.

1:07:18 Yeah. You're like, but what do otters eat? It's not a fish. I lied. It's so I was like, okay, so you gave me an abalone shell. Oh, I did. I said fish, but I meant like shell fish. I don't think it's technically. It's a, it's a mullisk. Oh. Yeah. Okay. It's a mullisk that eats algae. And then sea otters eat the mullisk. And then they crack it open on their test with a little rock. Oh gosh. Okay. I love the zoo. So cute. This was where all the other otters lived and no one had ever left.

1:07:59 Well, probably. Uh, okay. So did they or didn't they? I mean, I feel like they probably did. I don't know. It says, well, probably. And that's the end of the sentence. Oh, all right. In the evenings, floating in the raft of a hundred other otters with his favorite rock, talked to securely under his arm to break the arbolones. Oh, sure, sure. He would stare out over the endless golden pink expanse of the ocean. His companions warned him of orcas and sharks, massive swells and no kelp to cling to, but he longed to touch the glowing wave crest to dive and roll in the liquid goals.

1:08:41 Oh, yeah. This totally reminds me of like climbing a mountain like you can stop where the view is beautiful. But like if you want to get there up there and like touch the, touch the crest one morning, stomach full of crab and urchin and nervousness, he started swimming. Before he realized what he was doing, he left the raft behind. He pepped on alert for orcas. Yes. Be alert. Surely. Don't call me. Surely. Surely there was abalone outside the little bay. And if not, there would be something else. He had his rock and his wits and how much else.

1:09:25 It would be enough. Well, probably. Oh, it's just like such an adventure. Yeah. The climber. Spirit. Seriously. Ah, so cool. That's cute. Yay, we did it. Like it. Oh. Have a creepiest day. See you next Tuesday. See you next Tuesday. Unless you're at the top of a mountain, like fucking get it. I have to burp. I got to do it from the back.

1:10:05 I need a pat. I feel like coming up and it won't. Yeah, I'm like a baby. Be the baby. Be the baby. Be the baby. I saw my mom burp me. I honestly have anyone who's around if I need to burp and then right there. I'll be like, can you please pat me on the back? And it worked. It works, though. Chris, get in here. You should burp, Cassie. Can you be the standby in case we need to be burp? He's like, good God. Do I not do enough for this show already? When we make enough money, we're going to have someone on standby. We're going to hire someone on standby to burp us if we need it.

1:10:48 Some talent or artists, they have a writer. Some of them have certain industries of fluffer. We'll have a burper. Can we also have a fluffer? Okay, I'm done. Let's keep going! (pnwhauntsandhomicides.com)