Maureen Kelly’s Spiritual Quest: Vanished in Gifford Pinchot

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Our story today is all about the fun and occasional folly of youth. On June 9th, all of the accounts

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I've read say the group was simply enjoying themselves as the afternoon began to fade into evening.

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The group proceeded to enjoy their surroundings no doubt unaware that by morning they would reach

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a horrifying realization. One of them was missing.

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Okay, yes, Caitlyn. I have received the nudes that you sent me.

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Oh, boy, are you going to be disappointed?

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I mean, these are beautiful. Not quite that beautiful.

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Never that beautiful. No, oh my goodness. Okay, man. Yeah, I was waiting until you hit record

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to say that. So we can start now. Hi, Cassie. Hi, Caitlyn. Hi, creepy people. Hello.

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This is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we chat about true crime, the paranormal, spooky things,

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witchy things, kind of whatever we're feeling. We really, we really hone in on the paranormal and the

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true crime though. That's kind of our, that's our safe space, which I think says a lot about our

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mental health, right? And where is our safe space? It's in the Pacific Northwest, the PNW.

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It's in the history. Yes, yes. And I'm nasty because I'm drinking a curslight today. Curse light.

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That's like a very Midwest thing to say. Curse light. What else do we do? Oh, I forgot. We do

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terror reading at the end of every episode for a little deeper insight into our topic. Cassie,

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have you ever visited the Gifford Pinsho National Forest in Washington? No, and it doesn't even

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sound familiar to me. Wow. Okay. You may recall, I just sent you some photos. So I'm going to show you

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some pictures so you can see just how beautiful it is. Caitlyn, those are huge. Whoa, but they are.

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Yeah. Yeah, this is really pretty. Are these from your personal camera roll?

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These ones are not. Oh, okay. They look like they could be. They, yes. And I was very fortunate to

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stumble upon some Pacific Northwest kind of camping blogs that they had photos. Actually,

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the one with the waterfall. Yeah, that's right. I have a nearly identical photo in my camera roll.

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Right. A different place in Washington. Yeah, I feel like these waterfalls are, I mean, I don't

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know, maybe they're typical of waterfalls everywhere, but I feel like these are like super PNW

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waterfalls. I think so as well. Just like the multiple points of, I don't know what you call. I don't

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how to describe this, but like the multiple points of fallage in the fall itself because there's so

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many layers of rocks and things and green moss and then the water looks like greeny blue like a lagoon.

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It's very pretty. It's very pretty. And then is this like Mount St. Helens with the top

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blown off? Might be. Does that the one that blew up? It sure is. I think that's the only one that

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doesn't have like a point. I think. I don't know. I can be sure. And it actually, I believe that

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geographically checks out. So yeah, well, cool. Yeah. Yeah. As you'll find out later, I was prepared for

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questions, but only in relation to historical weather data. Oh, yes. I'm waiting for this. Yeah.

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I read a comment and I went, hmm, that seems to directly contradict something else I read about the

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weather. I should probably hyper focus on that for 30 minutes. I mean, I probably would too.

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Yeah, it turns out it wasn't unimportant to the story. So, hmm, okay. Do you have any idea how

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difficult it can be depending on location to find historical weather data, dating back to 2013?

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No, I feel like Google should just know, right? Yeah. Google doesn't fucking know.

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Google AI. Come on, answer. Can you answer all my other questions? Yeah. Google AI was like, well,

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here's what I would do. And I was like, I would have already done that. I thought you would give me

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the answer. I'm getting a little hung up on that. That's fine. We have a lot of ground to cover.

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So when I look at the falls, you see in a lot of the pictures of this area, especially now that we're

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getting closer to spring, I think about that hilariously heartwarming prank that you and Chris

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pulled on me almost two years ago now. Oh, yeah. Remember that? Okay. TLDR for anyone who doesn't know

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that backstory. I was told by Cassie and my now husband, Chris, that we were going to take some

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photos of the two of us for the pod. And also for one of Cassie's episodes. She's a lying skank.

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I was not wrong because we actually did an episode about the place. So we actually did need to go

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there. Yeah. What actually happened was that Chris proposed whilst I was clearly confused. And

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also scolding him for getting brand new pants dirty. I'm gonna stay. Yeah. In many respects, one of

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the happiest and also maybe in some respects, not my proudest moment. I also made some of the most

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bizarrely dazed faces, I think humanly possible. Yes, can confirm. If you want to listen to that

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episode where Cassie tried to convince me how creepy Silver Falls was, you can go back and listen

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to the episode. We'll tag that in the show notes. Hopefully, hopefully we do that.

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It did drop on April 1st of whatever that year was. Yes. Yeah. It was indeed our April Fools

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episode. Kind of a tough act to follow. I feel like. Yeah. We'll see what happens this year. Maybe

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we'll get back to you. I see on you. Maybe we'll keep you guessing. Who knows? Or maybe we'll

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just agree that April Fools is a stupid holiday and it's not for adults. I do have more pictures

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for you. So hopefully the first one in this progression of photos that I've sent you

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is mostly my wrist. Yes, I noticed that. Okay. Okay. So the first one looks like it was taken by a

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boomer. It's sort of the photo equivalent of a butt dial. But I can assure you that it was taken

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actually by me, not a boomer, famously, in the befuddled excitement moments after your hilarious

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prank. And then the other ones are slightly more presentable cute photos of us at the falls

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with our mouths open. Oh, of course. Chris is just being normal, smiling normal. Yeah. Just being a

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just being a person, just being a person, people, yeah. Aw, that was a fun day. It was whenever I see

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waterfalls, you know what I think and a TLC. Also that. Naturally. But let's get back on track.

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If you were say 19 years old, what do you think a place like Gifford Pinchow National Forest

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represents to you? I don't know. Like a nice place to hike. Yeah, I feel like that's a solid guess.

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That's what I was looking for. Obviously, you've got the gorgeous waterfalls and I already had my

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monologue about that. Yeah. Maybe a little freedom enjoying the natural world, camping with friends,

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toasting marshmallows and maybe some drinks by the fire. A legit drink. That all tracks though.

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Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. I was thinking back to what I was doing at that age.

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Outdoorsing. Exactly. It was like hiking a little but mostly like camping and drinking and yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Pretty normal stuff I think about age. Our story today is all about the fun

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and occasional folly of youth. As happy as I am now with everything that I built with both of my

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partners in crime, both in business and in my personal life. Me? Every once in a while, I think

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everyone wishes that they could turn back the clock and experience things the same way they did when

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they were younger. I mean, for me, number one, my metabolism. And I could really go for taking

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another summer off. Yeah. Seriously. Would not hurt my feelings at all. Maureen “Anu" Kelly was born

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September 26, 1993 to a single mother who raised her in Washington state.

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Sources actually kind of seem to differ on where exactly she grew up. Some say the Vancouver area,

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others spoke Ann, but ultimately our story happens in a completely different location anyway.

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Though she was a graduate of Lewis and Clark High School, notably located in Spokane.

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Not Spokane. Never Spokane. Fun fact, Anu was a Libra. And I share that because from what I have seen

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and read, it seems like kind of a fun detail that she might have actually shared about herself.

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Oh, she had sort of like a fun kind of creative. I don't know. I mean, I feel like hippie sort of

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becomes like a catch all term for sort of a vibe. Yeah. But I feel like Libra's also have like an

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energy and we all have like Libra energy too because I'm a Libra moon and you're like a Libra rising

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or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Chris is Libra. So it's a Libra. Yeah.

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I know. We got a lot of Libra energy up in here. Yeah. Makes sense, I think. It does. But

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back in 2013, Anu had a YouTube channel where she posted videos playing her yoke. Oh,

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Yugalaylee for the uninitiated and beatboxing. That's so cool.

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Generally just being a carefree young adult. She had 302 subscribers there.

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I'm going to speculate that some of those subscribers are more recent. Oh, I'd also, I'd love to use

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this as an opening to transition into an arguably shameless plug. Believe me. But as I listen to her

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saying as she played her yoke, I read the comments. I'm not going to read from the comments section

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until I provide a little bit more context. But suffice to say, I was starting to come down

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with a case of the Ick. Oh, no. I don't like that. I know. Well, go on the internet and it, you know,

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as one does, but why try to stay off the internet? Yeah. Okay. So do me a favor. If you can only do one

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thing, just one time, don't worry about any of the usual calls to action that on this podcast

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and other fellow podcasters, you know, the things that we're always saying, smash that subscribe

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button and shit like that. Instead, go to her YouTube channel because this is a face that

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not enough people have seen. This is clearly an incredibly kind and creative young woman with

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a beautiful voice to boot. She was just like anyone would be at 19 beautiful, intrepid,

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a young woman with so much promise. According to her half sister, Sherry Koubu, she had called just

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prior to an upcoming camping trip. She called me before she left, saying she was going camping

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with friends and asked if she could borrow some of my camping gear. She was excited about going

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and told me she loved me. That was totally normal for her. She was a very affectionate person.

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When Anu arrived the following day to pick up her gear that she intended to borrow,

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Sherry asked where she and her group of friends were headed. And though Maureen was a self-profess

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nature lover, she was not an experienced camper. So their destination, the Gifford Pinchot

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National Forest, was a bit surprising to Sherry. She described Anu as a very laid back care-free girl.

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And though she had reportedly longed to spend more time in the outdoors, her expectations were

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unlikely to match the harsh realities of the wilderness. Sherry said, I asked her why now?

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And Maureen told me that she wanted to go on a spiritual quest, that really concerned me.

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Yeah, that makes me think of mushrooms or something. That's what people do. They go under the woods

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and they do shrooms and they go on their spiritual quest. I mean, not just shrooms, other drugs too.

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But yeah, you're not the only one that is going to draw some conclusions about what that might mean.

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The group of friends headed toward the Gifford Pinchot National Forest for their campsite at the

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Canyon Creek campground. They drove out to Chalachie near Highway 503 from their traveling

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steadily northeast, reaching Forest Service Road 54. When they start saying Forest Service Road,

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it's fairly remote. Yeah. Next, they would have traveled down a series of small backroads

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until they reached Canyon Creek. Their total drive time would have been roughly three hours or so,

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depending on traffic. Once they found the specific area, they intended as their campsite,

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it would have required some initial prep work to make it comfortable for their stay as this area,

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both the trails and the campsites were entirely unmentained. Oh wow. Okay. So this is like, it is for

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experienced campers. It's not like a campground with a bathroom. Correct. Definitely no facilities.

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Nothing crazy though, really, just clearing away debris like pine needles from items like the

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camp stove that they would need to use before setting up their tents and preparing their evening

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meal. On June 9th, all of the accounts I've read say the group was simply enjoying themselves as

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the afternoon began to fade into evening. The group proceeded to enjoy their surroundings

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no doubt unaware that by morning they would reach a horrifying realization. One of them was missing.

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I feel like this is like a horror movie. A little bit. It's giving sort of a last house on the left

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in the extreme, but when Kelly had left their campsite that evening, most accounts state this was

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around 5 p.m. One thing everyone agreed on and paraded as loudly, frequently as possible,

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was that she'd been as naked as the day she'd entered this world. Wow. Okay. Well, okay, almost.

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She was wearing a fanny pack containing a knife, matches, and a compass.

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Honestly, though, a baby wearing a fanny pack has a pretty cute image, though. So you're welcome.

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If that's what you thought of when I said that, because I immediately pictured the baby in a fanny pack.

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That's cute. Yeah. That's the best I could do. That would be like what you would need if you were

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going to take anything with you, I guess, in a fanny pack in the woods. Yep. Those would be some

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arguably critical items. Right. I would say, yeah. That night, she'd been set on the idea of a

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spiritual quest, which we already knew that, but better naked. Arguably. Yeah. I mean, is this

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maybe the best environment for it? Probably not. It's a bit of a whole. It's like shedding your

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layers and just like being as free as possible. I get it. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like there's a lot of

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this that just, you know, it makes sense. And you're 19. Right. And your brain's still cooking. And

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so many things. And now I feel ancient. And I have to move on. Some reports of the events that night

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state that she told them that she would be back by midnight. And this, I think, based on everything I've

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read is the account that I trust most. Unfortunately, however, when she didn't return by midnight,

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their campground and the surrounding area would have been pitch black. The terrain is rough and

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densely forested, making it difficult to navigate even in the daylight for some. So regardless of

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mounting concern, it simply would not be practical to do much in the way of searching until sunrise.

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Thumbnax Thumb. While it had been a warm day and the area didn't see any precipitation leading up to

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and less than a quarter of an inch in the immediate hours surrounding her disappearance. Very

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important information. And you can trust me on this because I literally spent close to 30 minutes

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verifying historical weather data alone for this case. I really want everyone to know. I know what the

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weather was. Unfortunately, the temperature overnight plummeted. There was grave concern about the

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various ways on you could come to harm alone and completely exposed in the woods. And yeah, make it

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I'm cold. And I feel like you're having the emotional and sort of intellectual also responds that

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I very much did as well to to this. Now is when I'm going to start reading you some comments that

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unfortunately not everyone is going to have the same response to the same information that's being

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presented. I don't know, I guess people have to decide to do with that what they will, but I know how

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I felt about it. And I've already said I got a real I got a real Iq. Okay, so we've decided to use

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an alias for this commenter. Kobe teeth said guessing she was high as a kite or hammered drunk to do

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such a thing. Temperatures could have brought about hypothermia relatively quickly if she got lost.

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And there's every chance she did. The next comment goes on to say totally agree this seems pretty

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obvious to me. She might have even taken the drugs etc as part of the quest. It's the old cliche

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take peyote or whatever. Wander off to meet your spiritual animal. Because real life is not the

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movies instead she meets the fate you outline. Thank goodness it was probably relatively painless.

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Oh god. She might even have succumbed while imagining herself on the verge of ultimate enlightenment.

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Okay. For what it's worth, under Sheriff Dave Cox said that while it was a bit unusual for a 19

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year old to leave their campsite with extremely limited supplies and completely nude, there was no

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indication that she was on drugs at the time of her disappearance. Maybe they just didn't find any

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and they didn't want to push the subject. I don't know. But they're the cops. So that's a thing that

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they typically will do. Right. They'll concerning given the circumstances. Friends gave no indication

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that this behavior was strange for Anu or that drugs were involved despite numerous comments

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of contrary. I never really realized what a cesspool Reddit really could be. It's late to the party.

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But of course, there would be speculation to some it just didn't seem like it could have occurred

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in any other scenario than some drug laden haze. I mean, there are a lot of different options. Sure

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are. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that was like my first thought too, but like I'm not going to go say that

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that happened. Like that's what happened for sure. Yeah. I would say based on the dates, I know for

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a fact that these are people that are speculating on an open missing persons case. Yeah, that's

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big. Yeah. You're a key. Search crews were dispatched to the area in the hopes of rescuing Anu quickly

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before she succumb to the elements or another threat. Footprints that appeared to be a match

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to her were found. So they ran that lead down. They discovered that she had apparently crossed a creek

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and climbed up to a road on the other side of the canyon from her group's campground.

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I mean, that just seems like a lot of, I mean, she started off when it would have still been daylight

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hours. So all of this is entirely plausible at this point. And she's certainly a physically capable,

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young woman. From here, it gets a little bit more murky. But just like sounds like she,

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so she did all that to get up to a road. It sounds like she was like trying to run away.

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forest service road 54. K9 units from Pacific Crest search dogs were brought in as well,

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but her scent was lost once they reached paved roads in the area. I'm concerned. Yeah, I'm going to

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read to you the next comment from the hammer. Although the weather on the day she disappeared was

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mild temperatures that night dipped into the 40s. Without any clothes, she would have quickly succumb

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to exposure. And that is a direct quote from the Charlie project. So 40s that cold, I guess it's

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pretty cold, but it's barely above freezing. Okay. Yeah, I guess. And you're naked. I guess. Yeah.

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Yeah. I know. I mean, I kind of ran through all of the scenarios and it almost felt like I was

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a little bit like bargaining like, oh, no, that, that can't be. But I kind of just felt like the 40s

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aren't like immediate death like to me. I feel like you could find like a hole and cover yourself

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with stuff and like the 40 like I feel like you could survive that like it's not like it's dangerous

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for sure. Right. So I could see that. I was just like wanting to know how immediate is the

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standard. Yeah. I mean, I think at the point that she hasn't returned the following morning

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and they know that she has remained out in the forest overnight. I think that's that's where it

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becomes dangerous. But this comment goes on to say paired with her footprints ending on a road.

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This implies she was taken or picked up. But also is it possible she walked along the road for a while

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or is that too weird considering she was naked? I mean, I don't think it's weird. I don't know.

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I'm actually bracing myself for the next series of comments here. There is a reply to that comment

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specifically and it says they did have to postpone the search due to weather. It's all just a strange case.

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I want to say she was picked up too. There's theories that maybe she joined a tribe or a cult.

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There's just not much info on this case at all. So it's all just so mysterious. That feels unnecessary.

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And I feel like maybe it's a poor choice of words and or the sentence structure, but I feel like

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that almost feels like you are attributing sort of the same problematic

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characteristics to being a part of a tribe as a cult. Yeah. Yeah. That was that's interesting.

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And then also like if you had proof of that, that would be important information that they would

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need to go find if she's truly missing. But if you don't, that's just such a weird thing to waste time.

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And I get it. These are not tips that are being called into law enforcement. These are people speculating.

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I will say again with these comments, they are during a time when the case may not be active in the

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sense of like they're not actively searching for her. But I will say that the case was active in a

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different sense. There is another reply. Anu would never have joined a cult. She was a beautiful,

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free spirit. Something terrible happened to my dear friend. There's no other explanation. My

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community combed the woods for years after there was never any sign of her anywhere past to put

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Prince. Unfortunately, the group of friends she was with is who I'm suspicious of even though they

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were my friends too. And I wouldn't want to think that of any of them. Damn. The search initially proved

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unsuccessful and by the following Saturday almost a full week. As the search was suspended at 6 p.m.,

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there were two reported injuries on the search and rescue team. An ankle injury as well as a

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paw injury to one of the K-19. No. Puppy paw. Puppy paw.

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Gosh, and these are people who are like used to searching in these areas of they're getting injured.

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Damn. I am so glad you said that because my next sentence is this further highlighted just how

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treacherous the area currently being searched and where Anu had seemingly vanished from really

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were. I mean, those are not ideal circumstances. Yeah. She had shoes on or did she have shoes on?

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She did not. No, she was just the fanny. The reporting that I read is literally just the fanny pack.

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The local authorities were even said to have contacted search and rescue teams in neighboring areas.

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Reportedly, even an Oregon just in case. Sadly, eventually the search of the area was suspended

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without further plans to continue. Though the authorities gave no indication they suspected foul play.

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Anu's DNA was submitted to the National Missing Persons Database. Now to be fair, this would prove

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useful for identification in the event that remains were later discovered in the area. Though

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her body has never been located, officials do believe it is likely that Anu's come to the elements,

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whether by hypothermia or another natural cause. Officially, her case remains unsolved. However,

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I have some more comments to share to provide contacts to discussions around her case,

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as well as the various unofficial theories that have emerged in the years since Anu's disappearance.

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Okay, I was wondering what do they do in terms of searching if they lost her scent at a paved road.

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So I understand that they were still searching the area, but were they,

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like is there other places they would then search or did they search or did they just search the area,

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like the park area? Ultimately because it's, I mean, it's a massive national forest.

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They did search a lot of the area surrounding the campground, and they also reached out to other

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authorities in the area. And I mean, literally even in the neighboring state. Yeah. So I don't think

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that the search was necessarily inadequate, or you know, but I do think it presents some challenges

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when they use scent dogs, and then they kind of come to a dead end with that, especially based on

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these specific circumstances. And unfortunately, I mean, this is someone who is unfortunate

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that they were naked only in the sense that there's, there's not a lot for them to be able to leave behind.

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You can't rip off the sleeve of your t-shirt and leave it somewhere as like a marker.

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Yeah, that's true. Which I'm sure is not where your head is at all at when you're, you know,

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going out on a spiritual quest. Right. And again, I think it's, I think it is important to know

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that, you know, this is, you know, she said, I'll be back before midnight, but that was

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fully seven hours prior. I mean, this is like still very much daylight hours.

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I feel like it kind of bakes the question like what happened while there was still light outside.

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And there's a lot of different potential explanations, obviously.

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Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I was just kind of wondering like, what do you, what do they do? I guess they would

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like wait for a tip or maybe like her or define something. Yeah. Hopefully you find something

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in the forest that somehow indicates, you know, I don't know what that would be. It's hard to say.

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So theory number one, she is no longer missing or never was. And in this instance, we're sort of

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citing various reasons or it's kind of a, it's kind of a, it's multiple theories. It's like one A,

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one B, one, you know, for reference, her last YouTube video was uploaded two days before her

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disappearance. And her Facebook account has also remained dormant. We're back to the comments.

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I don't like this. I will say that a lot of the comments did not make me feel good, but there were

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some, and I do believe that I have one a little bit later here. I feel it's sort of renewed my faith

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in humanity for what it's worth. Okay. A little bit. If she was recovered alive, the family may have

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kept it private because they perceived her as requiring mental health intervention. This is pure

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speculation. Of course, I have no idea if she was suffering from mental illness or just a free

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spirit following her heart. But if she was recovered and required hospitalization, her family may

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have kept it quiet. Unfortunately, there is still a terrible stigma about mental illness,

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despite the strides made to normalize it in recent years. Again, I'm only speculating,

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since we're still waiting on confirmation she was even recovered at all. I hope she was, and that

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she's doing well, and that she found the answers she was looking for that day. So this hints at some

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speculation that the family, people have specifically pointed to her brother as someone who may have helped

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her to obfuscate her own missing person's investigation. There is just next to nothing that substantiates

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us at all, and I can understand having the thought. And this person I do feel like at least

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approached this in a semi-respectful and responsible way by saying this is purely speculation.

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But we do have some additional comments. I don't really understand what they're trying to say.

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health episode, and that once she was recovered, her family has not spoken publicly to confirm or deny

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that she has been found, because they are seeking mental health treatment for her.

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Which is admittedly a possibility, but again, this is what happens.

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That just seems like way out there. It is, I don't know.

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more respectfully. And like I said responsibly about, I'm acknowledging that this is pure speculation,

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but based on the information I have, maybe this is sort of my theory. I get that. So some subsequent

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comments, well, you know, I hope you're right. I know I don't know her, but I wish they would let

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those of us who think of her know she's all right too. No personal details needed.

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An additional comment, I'm pretty sure if her name is page is still active, then she is still missing.

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An additional response, not necessarily, Megan Good of the Charlie Project,

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speaks frequently of her frustration with nameless because they often leave up profiles

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well after a person has been recovered. She reaches out to them to ask that a page be taken down

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and generally gets no response. Really? Is that true? Hard to say. I feel like you should know.

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I have not seen this accusation levied frequently.

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And I can only speak to my experience of like, you know, what I what I've come across when I research,

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but we will come back to this comment about nameless and her status in a little bit. Okay.

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So related to sort of this theory of like,

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she's not missing or possibly never was. Anyone else think it's strange that after December of 2017,

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the family completely stopped posting about her. Her mother would post on her wall very often,

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even on holidays. Now it's nothing. Hmm. I was going to ask like, does her family still like,

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look for her or say anything about looking for her? And I feel like those are questions that

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it's natural to have. I will say that I understand that impulse. But at the same time, people don't

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handle this type of grief and loss. There's like, there's no right answer.

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One thing I did find very interesting is that they're in these groups and I'm sure this does happen

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in some of these message boards. There were more than a few people that did

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purport to know her and or her family personally. And I'm sure maybe some of these commenters do.

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As someone who grew up with her, her brother had addiction issues last I knew. And I think that was

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probably a large aspect behind his post. There is sort of an infamous post. I think it's a big nothing

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burger. I think it speaks to someone who's experiencing and then frightably, it's just, they're

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experiencing loss even if she is bound. There's nothing definitive. Essentially what it amounts to

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was they created a Facebook page for, you know, her case and for her disappearance. And at some point,

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he posted basically, if you're looking for answers, you're not going to find them here. And I feel like

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to me, that just sounds like someone who is grappling with this immense loss and really struggling

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with the fact that they have no answers about their loved one. Yeah. I don't think that I find

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it the lightning rod that some other people do on various social media platforms. Maybe they're

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right and I'm wrong, but I could totally see though how like it in unsolved cases, like no information

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and then that, like I could see how people jump on that. Absolutely. That's sad.

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This commenter goes on to say, I have questions as to why her friends let her leave naked and intoxicated.

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To my knowledge, they were all doing mushrooms and she just up and walked off essentially. Easily

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could have been stopped. It's strange to me that her friends let her leave and that her trail dropped

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off at a road. That screams foul play to me. Sorry, I am commenting so late. I decided to look her up

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today and this post showed up. And this comment is actually quite a bit more recent than many of the

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others. I mean, I definitely have those same thoughts too, but like if you're all shrooming

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supposedly are all intoxicated, I mean, maybe they didn't designate a babysitter.

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It's possible. Who knows what everyone else, if they were tripping balls, you know.

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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and just because the police didn't find any evidence that that was the case

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doesn't mean that it wasn't, but I think the fact that the law enforcement in this case has come

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out and said like we have not found anything to substantiate that as being an aspect of the case.

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Where are you getting this information that everybody or anyone was on any type of psychedelics?

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Are they just assuming or like where can we feel very much like there are a lot of assumptions being made.

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And unfortunately to me, I felt like maybe I am maybe it's me and maybe I'm being too extreme, but to

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leap from a 19 year old that is saying they want to go on a spiritual quest, which admittedly,

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there are implications, there are things that we're all going to sort of like have rolling around

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in the back of our heads, but to go from that to she joined a tribe or a cult.

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Okay. First of all, how racist can you be? I don't know. Maybe that person thought that there was

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some sort of a tribal association out there that was cultish. I really don't know. I'm not sure,

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but I think it feels very problematic to me to assume that like there is a brown person

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and there has to be some sort of like this nefarious connection to that. Yeah.

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I don't know. Maybe I'm reading too much into that, but as I'm reading all of these things,

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I'm thinking, do they understand that she's actually not native or indigenous? She's Asian/Pacific

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Islander, according to all of the other data out there. So do they just assume that all brown people

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are members of a cult or a tribe? Yeah. Again, I'm extrapolating on things that people have said,

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and maybe this is me taking it like they went too far and I'm going that much further. I just feel like

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your take was icky. Yeah. It just felt like none of this changes the facts of the case in terms of

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like this is where she went missing. This is who we're looking for. And I get that there would be

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interest in other details of the case, but like we haven't found her yet. Yeah. So like maybe let's

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focus on that. I don't know. I think like it's harmful to imply that she like up and joined

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something or like, because then they'll stop looking for her. I do. I think that's a part of it.

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Me too is that like assuming that you know she's done something wrong, it's concerning. It's

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concerning. I don't think that the police are necessarily reading Reddit boards. And you know,

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they're not they're not checking through subreddits and reading YouTube comments. Right. Hopefully in

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connection professionally to a case, but maybe maybe if they don't have anything, maybe they do

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send someone to scour the internet. I mean, we do know that that can be an aspect of an investigation.

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So again, I just, I don't know. I didn't like it. I don't like it. I'm never going to like it.

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Okay. So the final in this series of comments, she wanted to go on what she called a spiritual quest

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and thought it to be a spiritual quest in doing so in that mindset. Also, it wasn't okay to allow her

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to do that alone. And I wouldn't have ever let it happen, but I moved and wasn't able to protect

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her. The people there that night, if they let her go knowing she went and I know they did because I

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heard their stories myself. And as I told them, they should let that way on them. They deserve it too.

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I'm so disgusted with anyone who would let that happen. She may have been picked up at the highway.

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She was the brightest energy I've ever met. There's a lot going on with that one.

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But it's, and it's a lot of blame. I definitely understand you got to look out for your friends,

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but like she was an adult. Yeah. You can't necessarily just stop somebody from doing something they

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want to do. I don't know. And she was naked. What are they going to do? I mean, I'm going to go over.

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Also, it's daylight hours. So at that point, maybe wasn't that alarming. Yeah. I feel like there's

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a lot of shade being thrown at the friends. And I feel like based on the scenario that they were

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actually in, I just don't think that it's as salacious as some of the coverage has maybe led people to

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believe. That would be awful to be those friends. And if you truly didn't do anything. Right.

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Wrong. How awful would you feel? And then you have people kind of thinking that maybe you had

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something to do with it or you are to blame for letting her go. I love that I'm realizing in this

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moment why I wanted to mention that she was a Libra. This is such Libra energy. Yeah. Seeing both

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sides. Yeah. And it's all about, it's all about like the scales and justice. And I just was like, wow,

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how is this hitting me in real time? As much time as I've spent researching and writing this up, how,

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how did that not occur to me until just now? But here we are. Her social media has been quiet.

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But some have seen indications that her family has perceived silence in the years following her

377
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disappearance might also be an indication that they know something the public at large just not.

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Which I feel like is a really, it's a really tough pill to swallow that somebody could be missing

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and their family could be covering for them or somebody could be classified as missing and not

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actually missing. I will say this. There were a lot of comments and I initially screenjotted

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several and intended to read them as part of this that we're talking about comments that her

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brother had made on her missing persons page comments specifically talking about how the family

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had stopped posting about her. And I was like, oh my god, I'm concerned because, and I'm sure you could

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do this with almost any other case, but this case, it didn't have as much information out there about

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it as I would have liked. And I started trying to look for more information. And I wanted to know what

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people thought about the case. But I got a little bit panic thinking, oh my gosh, like is it possible

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that she's not missing? Like is it possible that just some of this stuff hasn't been updated?

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I really, I really started to worry and here's the thing. Even if that were the case, I

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would rather talk about someone who I thought was missing but had been bound. Yeah. Then to have

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their case go like into the cold dark night. But my text to you guys was going to be

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about I decided not to send it because I could not give away what we were going to be talking about.

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And it was it would have made no fucking sense. But my text was going to be

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to the effect of I am so relieved I am like sad, happy crying right now because I, I mean I went full

394
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web sleuth, level shit. And I don't, I that's not something that I necessarily do for every case, but I

395
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wanted to know that people miss miss her and they fucking do. They really do. If they're lying or they

396
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know something that we don't, they're doing a damn good job of keeping it under wraps and

397
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here's hoping they have a good reason. I don't think that's the case. I really don't. And I feel like

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there's so many shitty things that people have said. But for brother, on June 9th, 2024,

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missing you extra today. You're the most beautiful soul I've ever met. I'm forever grateful for you

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and it hurts so bad. I can't hold you tight and tell you I love you one more time. I'm so fortunate to

401
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have these videos you've made to comfort me and remind me of everything we've ever done together.

402
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You're my best friend forever and I hope to see you again. It's one of a couple of posts that he made

403
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about her in 2024. And unless he's scouring Reddit and thinking he's got to cover some shit up, I just

404
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:21,680
know. I know that people can say what they think and what they feel or suspect in a case, but

405
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this one really got me. This one really got me because I just felt like

406
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everyone has been young and done things that maybe weren't the best idea. It doesn't mean that

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they deserved bad things to happen to them. No, not at all. I mean, gosh, even if she was

408
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totally super fucking high and like went out and like that still does not mean that she

409
00:53:54,240 --> 00:54:03,280
doesn't deserve to be looked for or right. I didn't. The fact and I don't think that there's

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anyone that came out and said, well, she was high. So nobody should be looking for her. But I feel like

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what people say in so many words and the implications, like that matters. Yeah, it's like, well,

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you deserved it. Like, right. What was she wearing? Yeah, nothing.

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Kind of doesn't matter. Doesn't actually does not matter. Obviously, there's the hotly debated

414
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:41,360
theory that the disappearance was brought about by a psychedelic experience gone wrong. But there

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are some additional theories. While some have postulated that Anu sent dropping off at the paved

416
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section of road might mean she had run off with an unknown party in a bid to flee her family and

417
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friends to find freedom. Others have speculated whether she may have been forcibly abducted from

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that same location instead. And while it seems far fetched, the name of at least one infamous

419
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:21,680
serial killer has been mentioned in passing, if not directly in connection to her case. No,

420
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I think that the consensus is that this is unlikely, just given the remoteness of the location.

421
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:41,200
But I am going to read to you some comments here. As a Washington resident, I find it more plausible

422
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that she died of something nature-related than foul play. Although I recognize foul play is possible.

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I'm not familiar with the environments of the campground she left, but the forests are dense here.

424
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Think of how hard it was to locate many of Ridgeways victims.

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Never Bundy did I believe come up in an additional comment that I did not save.

426
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:18,000
Good. Hashtag never. I was hoping you were going to say him.

427
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:23,920
No, unfortunately, just based on the geographic location,

428
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Ridgeway would be the more relevant arguably, but in one of the Reddit threads that I was looking at,

429
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someone posted a link to a YouTube video and they were insistent that the person that they saw in

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the video was on you. Having watched a portion of this YouTube video, I can safely say I do not believe

431
00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:08,320
this person is on you and I sincerely hope it is not. It is someone who is clearly unhoused

432
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and may or may not be experiencing mental illness and/or some substance issues.

433
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Not great. The section of the comments not necessarily related to that, but this is kind of in the same

434
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region of that block that I'm going to read from. It starts really, who, when, and where did you see this?

435
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And then it really just takes a hard left and they go in a different direction.

436
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:54,560
There is another thread. It is not interesting to read and it is upsetting if you think that you

437
00:57:54,560 --> 00:58:01,840
are about to see a video of a person that has been missing and maybe this case assault, hope beyond hope.

438
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:08,800
I can only imagine for anybody that actually knew her even tangentially how they would have felt

439
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:21,680
and arguably, wow, just what a shitty feeling. And there are purportedly multiple people that

440
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:31,360
did know her that had been active in these threads and that person who did view the video and comment

441
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:37,440
and respond said, you know, this is a hard no. This is definitely not her.

442
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:46,800
It's heartbreaking to think about them opening that link. And like in a weird way, hoping beyond hope

443
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:55,680
that maybe this is her and she's safe and maybe there's some sort of explanation or I can't. I mean,

444
00:58:55,680 --> 00:59:00,800
the hardest thing about a missing person's case has to be that you just don't have answers. And to

445
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:07,760
think that you're going to get an answer, whether it's the good, bad, or the ugly, even for a minute, I,

446
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:19,680
yeah, this is a local in the area that's commented. I want to add for people unfamiliar with the area,

447
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:27,120
there is no cell phone reception and no satellite reception. Even though it's 2013, she wouldn't

448
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:34,640
have been able to just call someone to pick her up in the remote woods like that. That campground is

449
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:41,200
really remote and in the middle of nowhere with a bunch of wilderness areas just east and north

450
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of the creek. That makes sense. Yeah, I mean, forest service road. And this is another one where it's

451
00:59:52,880 --> 01:00:00,640
potentially someone that knows her or knows of her. I know her and her brothers well, but move to New

452
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:07,120
York. She was like my little sister. I grew up with the whole family and gotten trouble and stuff,

453
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:14,720
even stole car ones with her brother, LOL. But she was the brightest energy you could ever imagine.

454
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And a waste to the world. And if her brother knew anything at all, I don't see how he would not say

455
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:33,120
anything. I don't get it. He was protective over her. And one more comment, I saw a report that human

456
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:43,280
remains were found in that area in August. Testing being done should know soon. So that is the one

457
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:51,040
comment in this particular thread that hints at the latest theory from the Schomania County

458
01:00:51,040 --> 01:01:01,520
Sheriff's Office on August 10, 2024. A hiker rec creating in the big lava bed located within the

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01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:08,160
Gifford Pinchot National Forest in eastern Schomania County reported locating human remains.

460
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:16,880
The hiker found a human skull and captured the GPS coordinates of location. A deputy responded

461
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:24,240
to the location the next day, but was unable to locate the skull reported. The hiker volunteered

462
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:31,520
to return to the area accompanied by a Schomania County Sergeant. And the skull was recovered

463
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:42,000
on August 15, 2024. Wow. Based on the preliminary investigation, it is believed the remains

464
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:52,080
belong to a hiker that went missing in 2013. The missing hiker was last observed in the big lava bed,

465
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:59,200
and after numerous coordinated search efforts was never located. The skull, along with other

466
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:05,280
remains located in the area, was transported to the Clark County Medical Examiner's Office for

467
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:12,800
Definitive Identification. This is an ongoing investigation and no risk to the public has been

468
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:20,320
identified. Though we could not find any indication that law enforcement has provided confirmation

469
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:28,800
or even publicly speculated about the possible identity of the remains, many believe they are likely

470
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:39,120
either Maureen Kelly or Christopher Zitziewicz going out on a limb here and I'm guessing on the

471
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:47,360
pronunciation. I didn't bring up my proposal this year just because I wanted to talk about that.

472
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:56,240
Or even just because it lines up with this time of year. Arguably, the discovery of the remains,

473
01:02:56,240 --> 01:03:02,640
that was literally within a couple of weeks of my wedding. Yeah. And it's nice to reminisce about

474
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:09,280
like the good things that have happened in my life. I mean, getting engaged was super exciting. So much

475
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:20,720
though that I but dialed pictures of my wrist. And being a newlywet is another major milestone in my

476
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:28,640
life. But it hit me when I got to a certain point in my research for this case that

477
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:38,240
auto is only a handful of years younger than us. It's not like it's the first time that I looked

478
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:45,760
into a disappearance of a young woman. Obviously for some reason, something about this case just,

479
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:56,160
it just hit different. It just hits somehow in a specific way at a specific time and that's how

480
01:03:56,160 --> 01:04:05,760
we know when we want to talk about something. It's just there's so much, there's so much to experience

481
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:16,560
in life between ages 19 to 31. This September would mark her 32nd birthday. And I was doing a

482
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:23,760
lot of the same things that Anu did at that age. Even the ones that drew her so much

483
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:30,080
eye are all over the internet, all the way in her disappearance. Anybody ever been to

484
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:35,600
Sobby's Island? You know, do you remember at the very beginning of this episode when I was like,

485
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:43,200
oh, you sent me news? Like, how did I know this is the that would have fit so well into this episode?

486
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:53,040
Yeah. Oh my gosh, you guys, I have been to a beach where it is permissible to be nude. Yeah.

487
01:04:53,040 --> 01:05:06,560
I'm in. What I will say is that I think how we view people, it changes based on some of the choices

488
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:14,480
that they make and then when they go missing, everything is under a microscope, but none of it

489
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:23,280
makes her less missing. Marine Kelly was 19 years old at the time of her disappearance.

490
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:34,160
An Asian Pacific Islander female with black hair, brown eyes, about 5 feet, 7 inches tall, weighing

491
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:45,840
roughly 150 to 160 pounds. And whether it's the recent remains that helped to identify and bring

492
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:55,840
her home, I hope her family has answers someday soon. This is just one that I didn't know going into

493
01:05:55,840 --> 01:06:05,520
this that there was potentially an update. Yeah. Wow. So they still haven't identified it at all?

494
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:14,480
They have not released the identity of the remains. Oftentimes for remains that are recovered,

495
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:22,560
when they do testing like this, it can take a significant amount of time before that

496
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:32,640
result is back and then even more so before the public is made available or made aware of the results.

497
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:41,120
Yeah. Yeah. I think it's not uncommon for it to take months, sometimes and I think honestly,

498
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:51,520
based on everything that I have seen as an observer, it very possibly, very unfortunately,

499
01:06:51,520 --> 01:07:00,720
typically years. We need to know. I know. I mean, not just us mostly for their families and

500
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:09,600
their friends and loved ones, but like also us. Everybody, everybody, like just we need to know. We,

501
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:24,800
the collective we we need to know. We are going to do the braid and I really hope they figure it out.

502
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:32,720
I know. Just like have some answers. Okay. I'm going to go with this one because something

503
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:42,480
when I split the deck this last time, I have drawn the king of swords. Oh, when I split the deck,

504
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:51,920
I just felt like I was drawn to that and I guess we are going to see. Okay. Okay.

505
01:07:51,920 --> 01:08:00,080
What animal was on it? It looks like a like a heron of some sorry. Okay. I'm going to read the main

506
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:06,640
interpretation and then we'll we'll take a look at the little buck. Okay. Our key words are judgment,

507
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:14,960
intelligence, mental power and communication. In some decks, the king of swords sits on a throne

508
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:24,000
wearing royal robes and a crown and brandishing a mighty battle sword. Other decks show him in

509
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:32,000
military armor in a reading he may represent an actual person in which case he's usually a mature man

510
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:40,240
known for his intelligence, communication skills, fairness and objectivity. The upright king

511
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:49,280
represents intellectual pursuits, communication and spiritual knowledge and steady. A spiritual

512
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:57,680
quest. Yes. Yeah. I know. I was kind of that's exactly what I was thinking. Interesting.

513
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:04,960
You may be mastering a mental task or using your communication skills successfully.

514
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:13,840
Sometimes this card indicates a decision, judgment or legal matter. If the king signifies an actual

515
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:22,080
person, he may seem stern, analytical or aloof, perhaps a lawyer or judge, a professor, military

516
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:31,120
leader, scientist or religious leader. A cult leader? I'm not picking up that vibe, but it I sort of

517
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:37,680
was thinking hmm maybe. I just hear a lot of the word judgment too and it just make me think of

518
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:45,280
the comments like they'll all of the judgment from the people. So much judgment. And I feel like

519
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:52,560
just based unfortunately not on a lot. Yeah. In a reading about money, the king upright recommends

520
01:09:52,560 --> 01:10:00,560
taking charge of a financial matter. Do your homework don't let your emotions influence a decision

521
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:07,600
involving money or investments. This card may also mean profiting from intellectual endeavour.

522
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:11,120
Which I assume means everyone is joining the Patreon.

523
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:18,880
It just made me think of like what you were saying of how we don't make very good decisions when

524
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:24,880
we're younger and maybe like more, I don't know more emotional. If that's the right word, but you

525
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:30,000
were saying like our brain is fully developed or not making like really good decisions. So.

526
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:36,400
No, I think that that is such a good point to draw though because it is it's a little bit more

527
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:43,520
like leading from your heart because you just don't maybe have the experience to indicate

528
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:51,760
where you maybe should do otherwise. Yeah. If the reading is about your job, it may indicate you work

529
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:58,720
in a field that requires keen intelligence, good communication or analytical ability. The king

530
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:05,520
advises you to show leadership regarding decisions or judgments. Clarity and objectivity are

531
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:14,480
important. That almost makes me think of like the sheriff. I don't know. I'm sort of thinking about

532
01:11:14,480 --> 01:11:22,240
some of the statements that they have released and they're saying like it's unusual for this particular

533
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:28,000
set of circumstances, but we don't have any indication that you know drugs are involved.

534
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:37,600
Thinking about sort of coming from a place of objectivity. Interreading about love, the king symbolizes

535
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:44,960
a relationship based on shared interests and ideas rather than passion. You and or your partner

536
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:52,400
resist expressing deep emotions, preferring a friendly partnership. Perhaps you fear losing

537
01:11:52,400 --> 01:12:00,320
independence if you open your heart. Oh, she wanted to be like free. Didn't you say something about

538
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:07,360
like freedom or were you just yeah, were people speculating that she um it's hard to know how much

539
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:15,440
is speculation and how much people have extrapolated even on direct quotes from people close to

540
01:12:15,440 --> 01:12:26,880
the situation. I will say I was correct. It was a it was a blue hair and oh yeah, great blue hair and

541
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:38,080
authority born of rational thought clarity of mind and purpose insight seriousness and strictness

542
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:48,800
exacting standards and truth truth. Yeah, I feel like I don't know I feel I feel as though there was

543
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:56,480
something sort of that she was searching for. I don't think that like people have speculated that

544
01:12:56,480 --> 01:13:05,040
you know maybe she was looking to you know escape her life. I don't know I wasn't there and I don't

545
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:11,840
know her but I do think there are a lot of people that would like to see this case solved. Yeah

546
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:19,680
and certainly all of us that are on the periphery are the least of all concerns obviously but

547
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:27,680
I really do hope that her family will get some answers. I think it's possible certainly. It's a

548
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:35,040
distinct but unlikely possibility that some of what her brother has posted on social media is

549
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:42,160
performative and I know that there are cases where maybe I would maybe I would say the same thing

550
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:50,880
that other people have. I think that it's it's such a jaded perspective based on the information

551
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:59,040
that we have and I really hope that doesn't color people's perception of the case enough that you

552
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:04,560
know they're not they're not doing the hard work that needs to be done in order to find her.

553
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:18,160
I hope that doesn't keep a missing person missing. I did want to add because listen it's been a minute

554
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:28,160
since I've checked our PO box. We did have some mail. Also we had a package. Oh so I wanted to just share

555
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:35,680
while we're here and you can say hi to everybody and acknowledge receipt officially.

556
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:46,320
We got your mail. We got it. Okay so we have actually I think we have a couple of Christmas cards. I

557
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:55,440
did receive some messages because people did not realize that our PO box had changed. We did have

558
01:14:55,440 --> 01:15:06,080
our PO box for it did to what degree of success remains to be seen. We've got a Christmas card.

559
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:14,240
This was emailed to us a few weeks back. They had some issues with the

560
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:23,760
forwarding from our old PO box. I know. We tried. I know we tried. Okay they did not make it easy.

561
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:33,200
So thank you Sean and John. Your dogs are unbelievably adorable in these little cartoons.

562
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:38,000
Yeah you're going to want to see this when we're like back in person you can see this.

563
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Oh my god. Okay and then I'm assuming we can share this. We can message Sam to find out. But

564
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:57,840
okay so you can't really see this but on the back he has done something that all of my Midwestern

565
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:05,840
relatives have done. I presume for generations he has written a note so that we know where he was

566
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:12,640
and when. Oh I love that. I love when people do that because my mom would do that all the time.

567
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:19,520
That's my favorite thing. I know. I'm like is it even a photo if you don't know where it was taken?

568
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:33,840
Sam at Oregon Ghost Con 2024. He is wearing the Ghost Con hat in the photo. That is so cool. I

569
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:40,880
want. I know. I know. We have to go. I know we got to go. We got to go. Okay so this we received from

570
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:50,320
our friends at Sins and Survivors. They are based in Nevada, Sean and John. This says which

571
01:16:50,320 --> 01:17:00,400
you call Drin. Okay. Okay. And it has a sticker that says you've always had the power my dear.

572
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:07,600
You just had to learn it for yourself. Which is from the Wizard of Oz. So let's see that sounds

573
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:16,480
pretty familiar. Couple of theater kids over here. Okay. We just made our own musical on a Patreon

574
01:17:16,480 --> 01:17:29,520
bonus earlier. Yeah. Okay. Oh. Oh. The Celtic Cross. A guide to using your tarot class. Oh cool. I love

575
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:36,640
those things. We got to use it. Yeah. Doll. Hey, we got to use this really nice gift someone got

576
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:44,880
for us. This is so soft. Oh, it's it's silky on one side but then like fuzzy on the other.

577
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:55,280
Like Vail rit. Like Vail. Oh, that's so cool. Nice. I don't yeah. We don't have a lot of experiences.

578
01:17:55,280 --> 01:18:04,320
Well, I don't with like spreads. So I mean, I use them but I've never had like the cloth historically.

579
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:10,560
Oh, I'm so excited about this. You know how I feel about the Celtic cross. And it's like

580
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:18,800
easier when there's like a guide. Obviously like, oh my goodness. This is like each of the card,

581
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:28,720
like the placeholders. They're embroidered. It's not just like. Oh, cool. Oh, cool. So it's not just like

582
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:37,760
laser printed or yeah. Oh my gosh. That's so fancy. God. Now we gotta send them a gift. I know.

583
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:42,640
We don't deserve you. We should do a reading for them with it. We totally should.

584
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:51,520
Oh, is there any other male that that was all we have for now? What you guys send us more male

585
01:18:51,520 --> 01:19:01,440
known to say. That was plenty. This is I am so excited about. Me too. Should we do our thing? Yeah,

586
01:19:01,440 --> 01:19:09,280
let's do it before this dog loses it. Tells me. Who did you put your hand in front of it?

587
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:19,360
Did Christ just put his hand in front of the camera? No. He didn't? No. Dude, I'm freaking out. Okay.

588
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:27,680
Did you see that? No. What happened? I don't have good service. Like you're just like kind of blurry.

589
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:32,880
You've been like in and out and like glitchy and that's fine. I know I don't have good service. But

590
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:37,200
just now it literally looked like someone just like put their hand in front of the camera. Like this

591
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:45,120
is a joke. So I thought Chris just walked by and like did this? No. So I don't know if it was just like

592
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:54,000
if it glitched and like zoomed in on like it will. Okay. What's funny about this is I love the both

593
01:19:54,000 --> 01:20:03,520
of us were just like Chris. Yeah. I was like Chris. I fully okay. So here's the thing. What's

594
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:11,840
ironic about this is that the pod lab door has always been this like like horror movie,

595
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:20,320
creaky and like stiff like the door that everybody's like ganking on trying to escape. He fixed it.

596
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:29,680
Cassie. Oh wow. That shit ain't the same. It opens and closes silently, which I conveniently

597
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:39,280
forgot when I thought I heard. I thought I heard it opening and closing like it used to. Oh weird.

598
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:47,600
That bitch is silent now. So I don't know what the fuck happened earlier. Well I feel like what I

599
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:52,720
was seeing was just like your camera glitching out and I don't know how to do it. I don't know.

600
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:57,600
I don't know if it's going to show it because on your like it's going to when it's recording it's

601
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:06,880
going to be smooth. Yeah. But it was just really it literally just like looked like this. But like

602
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:14,400
blurry and glitchy. Oh my god. I hate that. And it hasn't done anything like like it's been you

603
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:18,640
and your face will kind of glitch out and stuff, but it hasn't done this full screen like.

604
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:27,600
It looked like a blue hand. That was so weird. Blue hand? Yeah like I thought it was like like I'm

605
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:33,680
being haunted by a fucking avatar. I was like I thought it was like your lighting, but that wouldn't

606
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:41,280
really make sense. No. The blue eyes are on this side. Okay. I'm going to start can't I'm going to

607
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:51,280
start video-camoring the screen seriously. Wow that was insanely creepy. I'm thinking about that

608
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:59,440
now for a really long time. Yeah. I got to watch the video back then because I am curious like anything

609
01:21:59,440 --> 01:22:10,320
up. Ah. Okay. I feel like we have not had anything really all that weird happen in this apartment.

610
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:18,640
It's you're doing you're doing what you shouldn't do. Renovating. You renovated.

611
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:30,560
No. I did was fix the door. Just the hinges. Just the hinges. The ghost said not that they

612
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:38,400
be renovating. But there wasn't a ghost here before. We're getting rowdy. It's renovation season.

613
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:55,200
I see a hammer. Let's go. Oh my god. No. Do a nice do a nice cleansing of your of the office.

614
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:10,000
Have a creepy day. We'll see you next Tuesday. Unless a big giant blue hand just like covers up my

615
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:18,480
face forever. Gosh. Please be safe. We do want to see you next Tuesday. So if you go into the woods,

616
01:23:18,480 --> 01:23:25,920
be safe. If you need to go on a spiritual journey, just please do it safely and with people. And yeah,

617
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:31,360
maybe pack some clothes just just in case you get lost. That would be good. But also there's nothing

618
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:38,560
wrong with free ball. And if that's what you want to do too. That's for sure. Come to tarot with us.

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The way. Oh. She's such a piggy. He's such a little piggy. Oh my god. She's so cute. No. I just want

620
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:53,200
smush her face. I know. She's got a really smushable face. So smushable. Okay, maybe I'll throw

621
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:55,760
some food in her bowl. Okay, so we can finish this shit. pnwhauntsandhomicides.com