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Last year Gina's, um,
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Gina's theme was,
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"Scooby-Doo."
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She had all those "Scooby-Doo" characters,
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but she had them as skeletons,
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and then she had,
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she had a custom built mystery machine.
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There was a photo off.
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You could actually get it and take pictures.
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That is making her reappearance this year.
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That is so cool.
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[Music]
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Hello creepy people.
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My name is Cassie,
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and this is PNW Haunts and Homicides,
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where me and my co-host Caitlyn
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usually chat about true crime,
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the paranormal,
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and all things creepy
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in the Pacific Northwest.
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She will not be joining me today,
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but I have a very fun bonus for you guys.
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We're going to be talking about Halloween display maps
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in the Pacific Northwest in Beyond.
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Hello, this is Jason.
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Hi, this is Diana.
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We are with PNWCL.
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What's PNW stand for?
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Pacific Northwest.
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Silly person.
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We have PNW in our name too,
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and everyone's like, "What does that mean?"
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[Laughter]
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Pacific Northwest.
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So what is the CL stand for?
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Christmas lights.
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That's what we started with.
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Oh, okay.
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But now you're doing Halloween stuff.
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Is that correct?
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We do Christmas, Halloween, Easter.
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We've done St. Patrick's Day.
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We've done Veterans Day.
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Fourth of July.
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Fourth of July.
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Whatever people want to put up a display for,
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we'll do a map.
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We even did one year during COVID,
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a decorated porch parade for mardi gras.
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Oh my gosh, that is so fun.
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I missed that.
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Where was I?
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That one was mostly in Portland.
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I was dealing with the Portland mardi gras crew.
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Great folks.
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We actually zoomed chat while I was driving off the McLeod heel fairy.
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That was fun.
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Oh my goodness.
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Remember that.
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That was interesting.
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So tell us a little bit more about this map,
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because I'm a very intrigued.
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Well, we've been mapping holiday displays now going on.
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This is our 11th year.
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Eight of those we've done Halloween.
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So far this year, we have 50 unique Halloween displays
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so far on a non-published map.
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Last year, we had close to three or 400 at the end of the season.
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Oh my goodness.
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That is a lot.
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Across Oregon, Washington, Idaho,
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British Columbia, and last year, we expanded included parts of Utah, Montana,
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other parts of Montana, Denver,
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Nevada, Northern California.
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Yeah, it kind of blew up.
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Oh, this is so cool.
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Request of the display owners themselves, but why not?
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Yeah, I love that.
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So can anyone be on this map?
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If they decide to be on the map, they can be on the map.
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We prefer to take submissions from the owners themselves just for the sake of
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their approval and all that.
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Right.
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That makes sense.
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We have open to community submissions.
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When we get those, we're going to personally vet them before we actually publicly host them,
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just because we have had some issues in the past where display was on the map and
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they didn't want to be and it was causing them undo issues.
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So you're very respectful of the display owners if they don't want to be on the map,
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they're not going to be on the map, but I do keep a record of them.
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I have a private map that I keep for my personal use.
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So what's the purpose of this map?
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What do people use it for?
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To just for family fun, getting out, you know, doing things during COVID,
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it was a great thing to get people out of the house without having to necessarily be in a crowd of people,
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things like that.
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But for years and years, I'd be at a display, you know, that my friends were on or anything like that.
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One of the biggest things they'd always ask is, "Hey, do you know of any other cool displays in the
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area?"
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And they're really, after Steve Poole stopped doing the Parade of Lights on Como 4,
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for Christmas, there really wasn't a resource.
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We felt that we were going to be that community resource. It started with Washington and well,
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his kind of grown to be a uncontrollable beast.
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We love that uncontrollable beast.
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Yes, it should be barely controlled.
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Yeah, it's mostly been me and Diana running things.
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What we have had a, a couple of editors that have helped in the past,
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unfortunately, they have moved on and it's back to us doing
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three times the size of map that we had then with just the two of us.
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Oh my gosh, do you guys need volunteers or anything like that?
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We always are looking for people that are willing to scout and report back.
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You know, if I've got displays that I have from last year that I don't have any information
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this year, yeah, we love, we love scouting, we love, you know, we love the community.
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I mean, we're not doing this for ourselves.
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We're doing this for the community.
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We're not out to make a buck by doing this.
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Yeah, right.
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Because you guys don't make anything, right?
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It's free.
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It's free.
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We don't charge anything for it though in the last few years,
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we have been taking some sponsorships from some local businesses.
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Love that.
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We love our costs because running a website and 40 to 60 hours of work for Christmas,
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on top of a 40 hour week job, the money's got to come somewhere.
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I can't, and I'm not going to work 60 hours for free.
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You know, you know, if I can help it.
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Oh, yeah, we totally get that here.
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This is just our passion project.
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We are, well, we didn't start off getting paid to do it.
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Now we're kind of starting to get ads and things.
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So it is nice to be able to fund your work that you love.
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Yes, yes, and we're slowly trying to work our way into finding a way to make our community
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project into an actual 501C of some level.
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What is that again?
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I don't.
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Charity.
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Okay, okay.
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Like a nonprofit.
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So nonprofit.
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Yeah.
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That is awesome.
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So we will include contact information if anyone listening is interested in volunteering,
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so they know how to get in touch with you.
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We can put that in our show notes for you.
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You'll also have like a submission form for people to submit their displays.
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We have a submission form on our website, pnwcl.com.
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And link is there for both Halloween and for Christmas.
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Awesome.
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And the map isn't live yet for Halloween, correct?
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Correct.
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The map will go live October 1st, even though I do have two or three displays that are already live.
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Oh my gosh.
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This is so exciting.
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I love spooky season.
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I'm wearing my, I'm just, I'm just here for the boos.
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Sure.
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We're wearing branded.
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Yes.
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You got a rep, you know?
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Absolutely.
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Well, so have a little witch hat.
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Don't have my signs behind me with our QR code or anything?
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No, no.
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Oh, perfect.
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That'll make it easy if anyone's watching or Patreon.
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They can just scan the QR code behind you.
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What has your favorite display been?
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Every display has their own charm.
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It's like trying to say what is your favorite child?
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You know you have one, but you don't really want to say it.
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But for absolute insanity of display, just the display itself.
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Historically.
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Davis graveyard in Portland.
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Yes, I have heard of that.
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That is awesome.
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That is very epic.
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It is, it is an absolute amazing, amazing display.
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Now for the fun changing theme every year,
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display, I'm going to throw one of my good friends and display owners under the bus
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Gina laws who runs the spectacular Halloween house down in Covington.
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Where is Covington?
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Near Kent.
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Is that Washington?
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It is Washington.
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Okay, Washington.
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Yeah, I'm from Oregon.
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So, Portland area.
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So, southern part of Seattle, but East.
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Yeah, a lot of spooky stuff up there.
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Gina's been doing displays for both Halloween and Christmas going on 20 plus years.
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Oh, that is so cool.
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Do you guys do any displays?
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Minor decorations here and there, nothing major with everything else we got going on.
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We don't have time to manage a display.
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You're right.
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But last year Gina's, Gina's theme was Scooby-Doo.
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She had all those Scooby-Doo characters, but she had them as skeletons.
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And then she had a custom built mystery machine that was a photo op.
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You could actually get it and take pictures.
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That is making reappearances here.
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That is so cool.
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A couple of years back she had a big devil statue on a throne and the theme was Shout of the Devil.
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Nice.
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I love this.
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I am so happy.
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I'm going to take a look at the map this year and maybe go on a little tour.
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And the best thing about the map other than a couple of displays,
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they are all family, friendly.
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Oh, well, okay.
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Maybe I won't just give it.
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We try to keep it all ages.
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Once I have the intentional jump scares and other things like that,
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I'm thinking of the small children that, in a parent's,
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they're looking at my map for a family resource.
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So, not that I don't have some more PG-13 or adult ones on their occasionally at request,
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but I marked them differently than the other ones just so people are aware.
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Okay.
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Yeah, I was going to ask you have a mark, does like, scary not for children or?
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Yeah, I had a handful of those last year on my map.
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One of my favorites actually down in the Portland area, he's, I think he's an actual Milwaukee
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address. He does an animated light display and he does Halloween and a few others.
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It's chilling lights on Lark.
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He puts on a fun show.
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He's got the big, the big Skellies and other, other aspects there.
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He puts on a fun Halloween show, a little bit of a spook, a lot of fun.
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He just has a good old time with it.
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Are most of these kind of interactive where you can kind of go through the display?
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Some are view from the street.
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There are a handful that are walk through.
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Then there's others that are actual light shows.
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Like you see on like, Great Christmas light fight.
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Were there any major to music?
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I love that.
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That is like one of my favorite, one of those, you know, the tick-tock videos of the light displays.
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That's mainly where I've seen them.
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I don't think I've actually seen one in real life.
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There is a ton in the Portland area.
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I'm going to have to go check, but I know last year I had a really cool house in the Portland area
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where you drive by the house of the day.
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Can't see anything at night.
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He's got a projection map of all across this house.
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When I saw that, I was literally blown away.
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I mean, I've seen projection mapping before,
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but I've not seen it done on a residential house, and that was amazing.
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I would love to see that. Is that on the map this year?
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I haven't verified him yet for this year, but I'm pretty sure he will be running.
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Okay. I'll be looking for that one.
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That would be pretty reliable.
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Yeah. We have in the past partnered with a
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Halloween specific group called the Northwest Haunters. He's been doing Halloween about a year.
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He started his page about a year after I started
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he and WCL. He's specifically Halloween and all that.
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There are differences in how we run things.
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He just maintains everything that's there and requires people to say,
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"Okay, if you change anything or update anything, let me know."
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Me, I vet everything every year. It more work, but it guarantees when somebody goes to a display
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that it's there. Yeah. You don't want someone showing up to like an empty yard and me like,
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"Well, what the heck?"
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In there, done that.
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They're ghosts. You can't see them.
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Exactly. Exactly. So, yeah, it's a lot of extra work to develop a meat year, but I find it just
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it provides a better experience. Yeah. That is a ton of work. So that's very
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understandable that you need volunteers and stuff. So, creepy people, listen up. If you need some extra
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volunteer work, you know where to go. And we'll take them from all of our map areas.
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So, you obviously probably don't visit the ones that are out of state, but do you try to actually
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physically visit most of them? We try to visit as many as we can every year.
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For Halloween, we usually don't travel too far. We might do a trip to Portland.
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And then we'll stay locally around the Seattle area. Christmas on the other hand, we go crazy.
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Oh, I bet.
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Well, one year we literally drove from Seattle, scouted all of Vancouver, checked into our hotel,
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then drove to Albany. Oh my gosh. All in one day. And then back to the hotel in Portland.
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Wow. That is not a day trip. But yeah, around Christmas, we're known to go as far south as like
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Medford, as far north as Northern Vancouver, British Columbia, as far east as
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Cordelaine, Post Falls, Idaho. Yeah, we've covered two thirds of the mileage of our map
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at one point or another. Some years, we get to all three points last year because of the weather.
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We couldn't do anything with Spokane or Eastern Oregon. But snow and ice and all that.
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I had three Christmas displays that literally could not set up because of the weather.
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Oh my gosh. Well, that sucks. Yeah, because when you started much earlier than typical,
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meant to a much higher severity that year. And one of them, it was there going to be their swan song year.
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It was going to be their final year. But they're like, yep, nope. Sorry. We can't do this.
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Oh, did they do it again the next year or no? No, this would be the next year. No, they.
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Oh, I see. They have sent sold off the display to other display owners, which
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that's one thing my community does is, you know, we, you know, we partner that we partner
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the display owners together as well, not just make a map. We have a group that has that's
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all of our display owners like 300 300 strong display owners across the Northwest. It's a community.
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We built of them and they can network with each other, feed off each other, get ideas of each other,
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buy, sell, whatever they need to do. Oh, that is awesome. Do you have like a Facebook page where you
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connect everyone or. Yep. Yep. Yep. It is called Pacific Northwest display owners.
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It's a sub, it's a subgroup of the Pacific Northwest Christmas lights Facebook page.
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Do you ever have any crossover with like the Halloween and Christmas kind of like a nightmare
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before Christmas type five? Yes, I have multiple displays that have done nightmare before Christmas.
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And some have actually done nightmare before Christmas for Christmas. I love that. That is
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that's what I do for Christmas. My tree and all my decorations it's nightmare before Christmas stuff.
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So it's like starts October goes through Christmas. It's the easiest decorating. I even had one
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one display one year. Do they're nightmare before Christmas for Easter for Easter? Oh, because they
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do have an Easter bunny in it. Yeah. So they they wouldn't put bunny ears on Jack and Sally and
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put some, you know, eggs and other things out. Yeah. They just they ran with it and made it hilarious.
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I can't remember either, but it was years ago now. I love that. That's my kind of people for sure,
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because I feel like nightmare before Christmas in the beginning it shows all of the holidays, you
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know, little doors on the trees. So I think that movie can be used for any holiday. Absolutely.
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Is there requirements for how big the display has to be to get accepted? I don't set any set
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requirement on size. If I let's say someone submits on display and then I go to and see the display
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and it's one string of lights, I'm going to be like, yeah, no, sorry. And take you off the map. But no,
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if you if you put your if you put your heart and soul into it and you you feel it's worthy,
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I'm going to take your word at it and put it on the map. That's just what we do.
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Awesome. That kind of reminds me though of the Grinch decorations, where it's just a Grinch and
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then one strand of lights because he took all the decorations. Yeah. We've had a few of those. We've had
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we've had one of my favorites at least for Christmas, this house up in Canada, this is monstrous
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display every inch in other house, every inch of the yard and all their bushes was all covered
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in lights and they've even slotted over into the neighbor's yards a little bit. But they've got all
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there. But then across the street, just this one little light up hippo, a little sign saying,
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I'm lost. Oh, that is so cute. Yeah. Across from the mega display and then just,
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it's a little hippo. I'm lost. Were they on the map too? Oh, yeah. That was
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there. They're on the Christmas map. They're called Rudolph and Friends. They're they're on
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amazing display. Older couple have been doing it for 30, 40 years now. They amazing people.
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Oh, I love that. Well, on our show, we usually do kind of a tarot reading or I have an
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Oracle deck. Are you guys interested in me pulling a card for you at all? I don't know how you
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feel about tarot. Yeah. I do have an Oracle deck. It's not it's totally different from tarot. It's
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just the cards all have their own meanings and they're all generally positive. So there's nothing
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like there's not like one of those death cards in there. But it's really pretty. It's Halloween
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themed. Kind of witchy and cute. I thought it would be perfect. So I'll show you. It's called
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a moon Oracle deck. That is definitely pretty from the visual. Have you guys ever played with
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any of these Oracle cards or not in the slightest? Okay. So we're going to pull a card for
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the Halloween display map. Diana and Jason? Yes. Okay. Let's see what we got here.
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Ooh, we got the enchanted card. Me look. It's kind of interesting because this is kind of like one of
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the least Halloween-y type of cards on there. It's like a little fairy lady with a cat.
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Well, let's see what the definition says. Okay. Enchanted. Charmed mystery belief. It is your choice to
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live an enchanted existence. Open the doors to mystery and magic in your life. Discover all that is
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in store and waiting just for you like maybe a Halloween decoration. A life that is mysterious,
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playful and filled with hidden treasure is waiting for you to unearth it. That's so cool because you're
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talking about kind of like a map and it's talking about treasure, like a treasure map.
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Keep your mind open to all that is possible. Your world will be filled with many surprises,
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like jump scares. Sometimes it is helpful to reminisce and look back on your childhood years.
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Re-kendle your carefree natural feelings. Children seek out the extraordinary with inquisitive
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imaginations. They believe in magic, fairies, unicorns and being able to fly just using their arms
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as wings. They are not frightened and they know these are good spirits who bring joy.
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And then the intention says seek out the mystical and magical feelings and life of enchantment.
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That was so perfect. Like the childhood feelings and stuff that is all about like Christmas lights
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and you were even talking about that. Child-friendly and always keep a family friendly but you know there's
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those displays that have a lot of blood and gourd and we have them too but it's not our focus.
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Yeah, but definitely when you go see something like that you're going to have this at least I do
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anyway because I love Halloween and decorations and stuff but you get like this child like
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gettiness and excitement. Absolutely. We feed on the feeling that we get from people when we're at
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displays. So we're out visiting display and we feel people getting excited over the display and
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all that. And then if we hear that actually used our map to get there that just feeds our soul.
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I mean it doesn't get the better feeling than that.
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Do people take pictures and post them of all the displays or do you guys do pictures of them?
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Yes and yes. One of our other subgroups is we have the PNW CL fan group which is a community group
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where anybody can post up pictures or other things in there. It's all moderated so anything
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that comes in we have to physically approve just because spam happens. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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People have people try to post to the main page all that gets denied flat out because I don't
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it's a page not a group not a public group. That makes sense. But yes and we do post up
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hundreds if not thousands of pictures every year of displays we visited and all the galleries are
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still there from last year. So you know there's plenty to see. Do you keep those up or do you delete them
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as a whole? After a couple of years I usually will archive them. I'll use you move them to an
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archive folder. Otherwise I do maintain copies of them digitally in my inventory but not always
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on the Facebook they're going back too far. But I usually keep two or three years with the photos up
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there. Okay. Awesome. So you can kind of look back on past years and maybe get ideas and inspiration
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of what to do maybe what not to do if it's already been done that's kind of cool. And you know there's
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there's nothing around with doing the same thing someone else has done. I mean
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last two years ago I had three nightmare before Christmas displays. They were almost
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identical within 10 miles each other. Oh wow. But I mean you can never get too much nightmare before
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Christmas. Yeah. Well it's a call they all went to Walmart and got the same things. So
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is there anything else that you guys want to put out there that you want people to know?
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Well here we can be found on the web on Facebook Twitter/x whatever you want to call it these days
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we're on there not as active. Yeah. And um through Instagram and also threads.
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Threads. What is threads? Threads is Facebook's version of Twitter. Okay. I'll make it easy for you.
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Just go to our website pnwcl.com and in the corner I have links to the Facebook, the Instagram
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and the Twitter all right there. All the things. All the things. Awesome. What is so nice chatting
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with you? Oh when does the map go live? October 1st. Okay. I feel like we talked about it but just
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saw it just saw me make sure. Well that was mentioned at the end of the show too. Yeah. So October 1st
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map goes live everyone check it out if you are interested in being featured on the map you can submit
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your display. And if you want to just help out and scout just then this email which is also linked
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on the website with any displays you might find preferably as much information as possible.
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Have a creepy day. Yeah. And as we always like to say on our page happy haunting. Yes happy haunting.
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