May 28, 2026

Logan Schiendelman - I Hope to Survive This Week | Tumwater, WA

Logan Schiendelman - I Hope to Survive This Week | Tumwater, WA
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On May 20, 2016, multiple 911 calls reported a black Chrysler Sebring drifting across multiple lanes of Interstate 5 south of Tumwater, Washington — with no one at the wheel. When authorities searched the car, they found a wallet, phone, keys, cash, and curiously a bag of snacks still sitting upright in the center console. What they didn't find was 19-year-old Logan Schiendelman. Ten years later, no one knows what happened to him.

The week he disappeared, Logan sent a text to a young woman he'd met on a dating app. It read: "I hope to survive this week." Those six haunting words are as unexplained as the disappearance that followed.

In this episode we cover over ten years of questions in one of Thurston County's most baffling unsolved disappearances - a young man navigating identity, a cryptic message in the days prior, and a mystery that has never been resolved. The community gathered just this month to mark a decade without answers - but not without hope.

If you have information about Logan's disappearance, contact the Thurston County Sheriff's Office at 360-786-5500. A $15,000 reward is available for information leading to his recovery.

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On May eighteenth, twenty sixteen, the day before he was

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last seen, Logan came into the kitchen and told his

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grandmother he would be away for the weekend. He seemed,

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as she recalled, nervous and purposeful, kind of on a mission.

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Sometime in the week before his disappearance, Logan sent a

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text message to a young woman he had met on

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a dating app. The text read, I hope to survive

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this week. Hi Cassie, Hi Caitlin. Hi creepy people, O you.

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This is PNW Hans and Homicides, where we chat about

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true crime, the paranormal, and h things spooky in the

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Pacific Northwest.

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Or the PNW if you're nasty.

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We also do a little tarot reading at the end

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of every episode for a little bit of deeper insight

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into our topic.

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So much insight is gathered.

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All right, I'm going to dive in. Not far from

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the state's capital, just outside of Olympia is Tomwater, Washington.

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It has that suburban small town feeling with nearby access

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to larger cities as well as natural beauty. It's kind

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of the perfect in between. It's you know, it's got

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a little you're close enough to.

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Everything yeah, I don't know if I've ever been there,

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have you.

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I know, I've driven through there.

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I feel like I've seen like a sign for it,

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because the name sounds familiar, you know.

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Yeah, I feel like in a way it kind of

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has a similar vibe to where we grew up in Hillsborough,

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because it's like a lot of people kind of drive

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through the area heading to the coast. Maybe, but uh, yeah,

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I wouldn't say that it's necessarily a destination. But it's

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also like, oh, the proximity to like Portland and Vancouver,

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you know, but it's a more suburban area. So okay,

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if it's completely different and you're super familiar with both

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tom Water and Hillsborough, feel free to correct us. In

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a predominantly white community like Tomwater. Logan Shndelman stood Out

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born June twenty seventh, nineteen ninety six, to a multi

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racial mother who was African American and Caucasian named Tanna.

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His father, a Saudi Arabian man who wasn't in the

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picture and had left the United States prior to his birth. Oh,

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I know, kind of sad, I mean, really sad. It's yeah,

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I only say I guess kind of said because in

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a way. It's like maybe he never really knew exactly

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what he was missing in terms of, you know, the

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paternal relationship. But it's really sad. I take it all back.

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Yeah, I know a lot of people go through that too.

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Yeah. Logan was raised from infancy by his maternal grandmother,

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Virginia Ginny Gabo, who was white. After separating from Hannah's father,

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Ginny cut off the African American side of Logan's family,

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he was effectively completely disconnected from all of his non

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white relatives.

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Damn. Yeah, that's like kind of important, you know.

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I think so it's a pretty big part of your

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identity as a person.

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Yeah, I mean, unless they're all like total pieces of shit,

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you know.

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But right, obviously you have to do like what's healthiest

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for you, like as a person, and you can't you know,

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be concerned about you know, that aspect of it. But yeah,

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it just I don't know, it just feels sad.

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Yeah. Also not saying they're total pieces of shit, just

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to be clear, I don't know, I'm just saying as

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a maybe possibility.

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Right exactly. Yeah, I mean it's so hard to know,

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and even if you have a little bit of information,

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about you know, why they were not a part of

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his life. It's like situations like that are just so nuanced.

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I wouldn't feel comfortable like making a call like they're good, bad,

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you know whatever. Right, there's a lot of gray.

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Yeah.

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Though his grandmother has provided conflicting accounts about Logan's feelings,

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she has notably described him as having an identity crisis

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as a teenager struggling to understand his place in a

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world where he felt caught between multiple racial and cultural identities.

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And I can't speak to that personally, I feel like

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it's kind of important to acknowledge that, like as to

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non as two white people who like don't have any

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idea what that experience is. I still feel like I

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can there's a little bit of like I can sort

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of start to grasp at like the enormity of like

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what that is. I can't like fully empathize, but I

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realized that's really significant.

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You can have compassion for how hard that is?

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Yeah, absolutely, no, exactly, That's that's kind of the perfect

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way to put it. I don't have to, you know,

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necessarily have experienced that for myself to be able to,

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you know, have compassion for someone, but for most of

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his adolescence, that struggle remained beneath the surface, which, as

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we all know, is super healthy. You know, shove it

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down exactly, don't don't talk about it, don't address it,

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you know, which I.

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Feel like that's what a lot of men are just

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expected to do, you know.

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Yes, yeah, I think a lot of people of color

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from a variety of kind of cultural and ethnic backgrounds

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are sort of like, you know, they can be anti

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therapy or you know, obviously those things are changing over

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time for the population all over the world, but you know,

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I think there's there's still so much stigma for sure.

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At Tumwater High School, Logan was a star athlete who

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played defensive back on the football team, helping the team

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reach two state championships. I don't know what any of

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that means. I'm given to understand. That's uh, that's good

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sports thing.

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That's okay. I think I blacked out when you said

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it because I didn't hear it.

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Yeah, so so he played the foosball. Yeah, go sports.

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He was popular, funny, known for his willingness to help

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anyone who needed it. His great aunt Mary Ware said simply,

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I don't know anybody that did not Like Logan, he

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was also beneath a popular exterior, a sensitive and introspective

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young man who loved music and wrote poetry.

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Oh, I know that you can be sportsy and have

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that other like creative side.

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Yeah, I think you know, it's pretty rare that you

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come across anybody in life that's truly like a one

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dimensional character, right, But yeah, I think it's that specifically,

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someone who's really like playing, you know, contact sports and

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also write their own poetry. I feel like that's kind

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of a unique combo.

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I love that.

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I know. It wasn't just that he saved all of

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his good natured studiousness for school days either. He helped

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his great uncle Mike wear with farm chorers without even

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being asked, which is pretty sweet. What a kid. I know,

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he said, I'd have him mowing the fields or cleaning

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the barns. He was always ready and willing. Something happened

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at a party near the end of Logan's senior year

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at Tumwater High School that changed everything and left him

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feeling isolated, even perhaps betrayed. I mean almost certainly betrayed.

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I feel as though it would be hard to imagine

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a world in which he did not feel betrayed, and

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I think some of the statements that he made following

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this incident highlight that he very much felt betrayed. A

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girl made racist remarks directed at him, comments related to

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his Saudi heritage. It was characterized as a racial slur

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used jokingly, but it's unclear what specifically was said. It's

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also unclear if Logan knew this girl or was encountering

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her for the first time at this gathering. Which can

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you imagine going to a high school party. It's your

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senior year, and if you are meeting this person for

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the first time, they are using a racial slur about

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your paternal ethnic heritage and like you've never even met

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your father or his family. Oh my god, I just

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can't even imagine. It's like, obviously that would be so offensive,

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but it would just like pick at this wound of

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like I don't even know my dad.

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Yeah, I just I can imagine, though a lot of

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people do kind of know what that's like, like just

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getting yeah, racist remarks from random people who don't know

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them and just see what they want to see.

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And I don't know if it's any better if she did.

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Know him, right, Yeah, yeah.

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Person and it's like the flip side is you know

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this person and you know, maybe you don't understand their

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whole complex like backstory, but like you know this person

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and that's how you choose to speak to them. I

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mean that that feels like why would you do that?

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So there's really I don't feel like there's any good

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way for that to have played out. And there's truthfully

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just not a lot of information or details about it.

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I mean I can imagine like some of the things

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that may have been said, like things as have been

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thrown around Willy nilly, especially like was this after nine

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to eleven? Because I feel like Middle Eastern people were

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just no, it was post nine to eleven.

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It wasn't like in close proximity to that.

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It's still going on now, Like I just feel like

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people were totally more racist towards them after that.

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The thing that bothers me about it, there's so many

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things that bother me about it, but like what's really

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I feel like kind of adds this like extra layer

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of like how offensive it is. Is like they're picking

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at this sort of underlying part of his identity that

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is like so raw. You know, potentially he is someone

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that definitely presented as being like, you know, mixed race,

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but primarily he outwardly appeared like African Americans. So it's like,

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I don't know, it just feels like to me, you're

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just aimlessly racist. Yeah, you know, you're like, don't I

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don't know if that even makes sense. It just feels like,

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like what are you doing? I don't like, I mean,

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I really can't like make sense of it, and I

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don't want it to make sense. So I guess it's

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not going to and I just have to make my

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peace with that. But what has been made clear is

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that his friends did nothing to defend him. Logan was

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so upset that he called his grandmother to come pick

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him up from the party. Ginny said. She noted that

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is not normal, not normal for him to call me

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to come get him from someplace, and he told Ginny

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they weren't even there for me. I thought I had

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friends and I don't.

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Oh, that is so heartbreaking.

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It just makes me want to cry because a lot

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of people think, like, oh, just saying nothing isn't the

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same as like agreeing, but like you are, like, it's

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like you're complicit in it. Yeah, it's tacit compliance it's disgusting.

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I feel like sometimes young people just not as an

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excuse or anything for what they did, but they just

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kind of don't understand like the gravity of words that

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are said, especially if they're not ever going through anything

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like that, and they're just like, oh, like just blow

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it off. You know, we're at a party. Let's just

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have fun and not like create more confrontation. Is like,

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because I can remember times like when I was young

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where probably some things were said that I was just

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like didn't understand completely like what was going on, and

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I didn't like stick up for my friends. So I

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get it and also feel bad about it, and it's

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not really an excuse and it still sucks for the

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other person on the other side of it.

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Yeah, I feel like it's you know, it's probably not

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an unfamiliar experience for somebody to be like, whether it's

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like just at school day to day, or whether it's

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like a party something like extracurricular like this. I think

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a lot of us have seen or experienced, whether it

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was personal or we saw it happening to someone else.

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We've seen where people are like unkind or you know,

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something that verges on bullying. But like the fact that

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it was like such an obviously like racist thing is

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kind of like, yeah, I don't know. I think a

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lot of us would probably like to think that like

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we would have spoken up, but I don't know, I

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don't know.

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Teenage brains are dumb. Yeah.

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Well, and you know, I didn't necessarily see anything where

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it was like outwardly stated that, like people were drinking

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or you know, consuming any other adult substances. But I

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would think at at a high school party, very possible.

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It may not have even been like the whole group,

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but there may have been people there, you know, that did.

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And I feel like that can kind of change, especially

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with your young uh still still forming mind, kind of

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how you respond to something. I hate to even throw

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that in there at this point, and you know you'll

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see why later because I just why are people suck? Honestly,

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just I you know, just don't.

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Suck please, suck less, please, and thank you most it's

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a good kind of suckond I'm talking about a vacuum,

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you guys. I'm a house cleaner. Okay, don't be dirty, nasty.

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Okay, without a word to anyone, Logan cut off every

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friend he had. He ghosted the entire group, approximately six

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close friends, plus the broader social circle they all shared.

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He never explained why to most of them. He applied

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at the last minute to Washington State University, three hundred

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miles from home, rather than going to college nearby with

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his old friends. The decision to go to WSU was

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described by his family as a direct consequence of that party.

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Wow, so just like completely changed his life.

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Yeah, And I mean they just felt like he was

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running from something. And I can't say that I blame him.

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I think I would want to try to get a

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fresh like a clean slate after that as well. Definitely

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fuck all these honkies. Yeah, to be honest. At WSU,

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Logan made new friends, but stopped going to his classes,

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consequently failing his freshman year. It seems so clear that

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at the time he must have really been hurting. By

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the fall of twenty fifteen, he had moved back in

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with his grandmother and half sister, Chloe and Tomwater. As

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he settled back into life in Tomwater, he worked several jobs,

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including at a laundry facility and laboring on his great

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aunt Mary's five acre farm, but the people who knew

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him best noticed a change he had become more withdrawn.

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Despite losing his years long friendships prior to freshman year,

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it didn't seem that he'd begun to cultivate any new relationships.

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No, he's probably scared, Like are these people going to

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do the same thing to me?

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Yeah, I mean I could see where you would maybe

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start to it would become sort of a self imposed isolation.

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It very could be, you know, it could become that.

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Logan had also recently made contact with his African American

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relatives for the first time. Wow, very few details are

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available about this undoubtedly very emotional first time meeting. So

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this is the other side of his maternal family. In

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his great aunt Tina Crari's words, he seemed to be searching,

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who am I, What's my next step? What do I do?

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When she showed Logan a photograph of his grandfather, her

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older brother, he stared at it for a long moment

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and said, it feels good to see someone that looks

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like me. Oh yeah, this makes me want to cry.

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I mean, you know, we talk about representation in all

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of these different facets of modern life, you know, media

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and all of these things, but like on such a

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personal level, like to be able to see pictures of

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his own family and like, you know, actual people that

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are part of like his you know, community, that look

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like him like that. I just can't even imagine like

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the significance of that for him. Really, I see tons

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of bitches that look like me all the time.

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I know, so boring, I know.

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I mean, tom Water is something like eighty percent white.

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Wow, So what's in the water in tom Water?

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Ain't no coil. Those closest to him noticed a shift

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in Logan's state of mind that occurred over a series

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of weeks and months leading up to his disappearance. His grandmother, Ginny,

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had noticed he seemed paranoid. Logan had told his grandmother

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he thought people were looking in through his bedroom window.

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He had started locking his door, something he had never

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felt the need to do before, and Ginny wasn't sure

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what to make of it. She wondered if it was

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the marijuana or perhaps something more serious. She worried that

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smoking marijuana may have been contributing to the paranoia, but

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also quietly wondered whether he he might be having some

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kind of you know, psychotic break or maybe you know,

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for lack of a better term, some sort of a

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psychiatric situation. Logan had also confided in his great aunt

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Mary that Chloe's boyfriend remembered this is his half sister

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who had moved into the family home. Was a problem.

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Uh oh, he didn't elaborate, and she said it was

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almost like he was afraid to talk about it.

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That's strange.

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Yes, it's very strange. Yeah, I would have you know,

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It's it's interesting because I what I want to say

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is that like I would have been like, can you elaborate?

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And I don't know what the circumstance of that conversation was.

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I'm sure she was probably curious as hell, but for

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whatever reason, you know, he didn't share anything else at

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the time. On May eighteenth, twenty sixteen, the day before

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he was last seen, Logan came into the kitchen and

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told his grandmother he would be away for the weekend.

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He seemed, as she recalled, nervous and purposeful, kind of

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on a mission. Sometime in the week before his disappearance,

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Logan sent a text message to a young woman he

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had met on a dating app. The text read, I

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hope to survive this week. He did not explain what

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he meant, and she didn't know how to interpret it

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that's so ominous, it really is. Lieutenant Cameron Simper of

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the Thurston County Sheriff's Office later told Dateline he didn't

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explain why he didn't feel he was going to make

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it through the week. The text message, I hope to

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survive this week is arguably the single most haunting detail

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the predisappearance period, and one of the central unresolved questions

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of the case. Did he mean it literally? Was he

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afraid of someone? Was it a statement about his internal state?

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I could totally see like flippantly saying like, oh, I

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hope I survived this week.

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Yeah, I say that every week almost.

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I think, yeah, I think we probably like if you

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check our text messages, like there would be something otnice,

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I think. On the morning of May nineteenth, twenty sixteen,

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Logan and his grandmother, Ginny, prepared for their respective workdays

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in the kitchen of their tomb Water home. Ginny noticed

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he seemed nervous and purposeful in a way that was

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out of character. Logan told her he had experienced an

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epiphany about himself, something profound that he needed to work through.

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Ginny told him they would talk about it when she

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got home from work. She left for her job at

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the Washington State Department of Ecology, unaware at the time

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that she would never speak to her grandson again. No,

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now here's something that gave me pause. Briefly. In the

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last case I covered, you might recall the Washington State

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Department of Ecology is also where Nancy Moyer worked as

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a financial analyst.

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Oh. I did not recall that whatsoever, But thank you

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for the reminder.

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Yeah, I'll be transparent with you. There is no confirmed

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connection between these two cases. None. But if you got

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the hebgbis just now you're not alone. And you know,

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we're always going to point out these synchronicities when we

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find them, even when the answer is probably just coincidence.

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The Washington State Department of Ecology is one of the

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larger government employers in the region, with over two thousand employees.

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So it's just kind of one of those details that

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I was like, wait, what.

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It's still weird too, that you like picked them so

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close to each other.

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Yes, and there are some other synchronicities that we're going

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to talk about that are just I mean, it was

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completely unintentional on my part. By here we are the universe,

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did it the universe. That morning, when Logan left home,

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he took his nineteen ninety six black Chrysler Seabring convertible

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Hell Yeah with Washington license plate AVJ eight four three four.

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He had his wallet, his debit card, twenty five dollars

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in cash, and his cell phone with him, and had

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packed a grocery bag with snacks, placing it in the

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center console. He left without his EpiPen. Oh shit, a

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significant detail given his very severe pena allergy. Oh no,

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you need that, You do need that. You should have

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that on your person, probably almost twenty four to seven. Uh,

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which is you know, not a judgment, just like, oh no,

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he didn't have it for whatever reason. Maybe he forgot

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or maybe he wasn't in the habit of carrying it

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because he was super super cautious. But it's just like, oh,

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it just is one of those details, you're like. Fuck.

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At approximately two pm on May twentieth, twenty sixteen, three

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separate nine to one one calls were made to report

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a vehicle drifting dangerously across multiple lanes of I five

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South near milepost ninety two between Tomwater and Maytown, approximately

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twenty miles south of Tomwater near Rochester Washington. The car

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appeared to have no one driving it. Ooh, spooky, very spooky.

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It veered across three lanes towards the center barrier, struck it,

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and came to a stop. A truck driver reported seeing

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a white man with brown or red hair jump out

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of the passenger side of the vehicle and run into

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the thick woods along the side of the interstate. Obviously,

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as a multiracial young man with black hair and brown eyes,

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that description wasn't a match to Logan. A second witness,

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a woman who had passed the same spot both in

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the morning on her way to work and again in

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the afternoon on her way home, told investigators she had

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noticed an African American man she believed to be Logan

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at the rear of the vehicle with two other men

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earlier in the day. One of the two men was

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described as white, six feet tall, very thin, with thin

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blonde hair in a bowl cut yew, wearing jeans that

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were too short and a tank top that was too small.

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So ew, I mean fashion choice? I don't know.

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I don't know that that is fashion you do?

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You know?

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Yep? And it doesn't get much better with the other dude.

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The other man was also white ale. The other man

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was also white, with shoulder length blonde hair, wearing a

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flannel shirt and jeans. A composite sketch of the first

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man was released in twenty seventeen. A sketch of the

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second has not been released because the witness only saw

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him from the side. So I'm guessing she didn't have

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like enough of a visual when she saw him that

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she could actually help them to put together a sketch.

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Okay, makes sense?

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Yeah, I mean I feel like that's fair. I feel

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like a ketch is already like really challenging for them

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to like get right, and if you're only seeing like

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a very like specific angle of their face, it's, yeah,

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that's kind of a that's crapshoot at best. When authorities

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searched Logan's car, they found his wallet, his driver's license,

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his debit card, twenty five dollars in cash, his cell phone,

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his keys, a water bottle, and a grocery bag full

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of snacks still in the center console. There was no blood,

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no signs of a struggle, and no evidence of a crime, well,

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nothing criminal beyond the reckless driving previously reported in the

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nine one one calls.

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Yeah, because I'm.

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Like, Okay, that feels like a potential crime, but we

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really don't.

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Yeah, depending you know on why yeah yeah.

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Detective Frawley spoke directly about the snacks in this center console.

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One of the curious things was in the center console

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of the vehicle were some bags, like grocery bags, which

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kind of led us to believe that if somebody was

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on the driver's side going over to the passenger side,

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those bags would have been knocked down. So there might

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have been two people and the truck driver only saw

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one person. The snacks were described as sitting upright on

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the center console after the car crossed three lanes of

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traffic and hit the medium barrier.

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That's a sturdy ass bag. I need to get me

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one of those.

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I know. The positioning suggested to investigators that no one

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had been in the driver's seat during the crash, because

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the movement of the car crossing lanes and hitting the

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barrier would likely have displaced the snacks if someone had

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been reaching across from the driver's side. Honestly, it is

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a weird detailed no matter how you slice it, because

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is how how do you how do you drift across

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three lanes? Hit a barrier and that's still there regardless

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of how many people are shenanigantting in the.

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Car, unless someone was just holding it in right like

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they were going crazy and they're like, save the.

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Snack, save the snack, which that would have been me.

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I would have been that individual. So maybe that has

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more merit than I thought. An extensive search of a

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two mile radius of woods was conducted surrounding the spot

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where the car was found, involving law enforcement on foot

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tracking dogs as well as helicopters. The area was described

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by Logan's great uncle Mike as extremely thick and brushy,

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but no sign of Logan was found. Shit. So, I mean,

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the strange thing about this is that all of all

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of the people that described like having seen the car

470
00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:13.599
on the freeway and like called into nine one one

471
00:31:13.920 --> 00:31:17.759
or you know, we're later giving witness statements about it.

472
00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:24.799
They're describing people that don't match Logan's description as being

473
00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:29.519
like in the car like at the time of the crash.

474
00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:33.359
But here's the thing is like, obviously it's it's been

475
00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:37.000
determined it's his car, and so that is just like

476
00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:41.279
this weird. It's so strange. It's very bizarre.

477
00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:44.440
It is like, did he get out somewhere down the

478
00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:47.039
road and just like leave it.

479
00:31:47.119 --> 00:31:51.039
I don't. I don't know. I don't know how to

480
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:53.599
drive itself. Yeah, I don't. I don't know how a

481
00:31:53.680 --> 00:31:57.039
car manages to go careening across like three lanes of

482
00:31:57.079 --> 00:32:02.160
traffic crash into the median without a so like presumably

483
00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:05.960
like was he driving the car? Was somebody else driving

484
00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:09.799
the car? Like nobody described seeing him at the time

485
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:13.319
of the incident. I don't know. It's very bizarre. The

486
00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:17.880
following week, a Facebook check in post appeared on Logan's account.

487
00:32:18.599 --> 00:32:22.920
Not just a ping and not unidentified activity. It was

488
00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:27.400
a specific location check in at the Olympia Regional Airport.

489
00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:28.279
Huh.

490
00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:32.640
And when I first read this, I was like, exqueeze me,

491
00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:38.039
so have we check flight manifest, Like what's going on

492
00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:43.920
with that? However, Detective Frawley confirmed this publicly. He did

493
00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:46.960
a check in on his Facebook page at the Olympia

494
00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:50.880
Regional Airport. So that's confirmed, Like, that is real. But

495
00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:54.119
it turned out to be a Facebook an aversary post

496
00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:58.240
automatically republishing a check in Logan had made at the

497
00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:03.279
airport a year earlier. Oh okay, it's that Facebook feature

498
00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:08.279
that resurfaces old posts and memories. It was not new activity,

499
00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:11.799
not someone logging into his account at the airport to

500
00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:14.960
try to, like, you know, in a nefarious way, throw

501
00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:18.880
off you know, law enforcement or his family. And it

502
00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:22.440
was definitely not evidence of Logan's presence at the airport

503
00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:26.279
after his disappearance. Literally, just the algorithm.

504
00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:31.039
Interesting. I didn't know that it could like post things automatically.

505
00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:35.279
I'm sure that's a settings thing, and you know, keeping

506
00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:39.440
in mind, this is you know, like twenty sixteen, right,

507
00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:43.680
so you know, what Facebook did or didn't do back

508
00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:47.920
then compared to now could be really different. I know

509
00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:50.559
that I've never had it set to where it could

510
00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:55.039
automatically post those things, but I think it might also

511
00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:59.000
automatically share that with people that like reacted to the

512
00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:03.039
post previously, or if they were tagged in it. So

513
00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:08.239
I could see where in this situation that would make

514
00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:10.400
your heart fully skip a beat.

515
00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:12.840
Though, Yeah for real, that's what I was just thinking.

516
00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:16.920
The Thurston County Sheriff's Office has been the lead agency

517
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:22.960
on Logan's disappearance since it was reported. Investigators initially pursued

518
00:34:23.199 --> 00:34:29.400
several threads simultaneously. Chloe, his half sister. Her boyfriend, who

519
00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:33.440
had a criminal record, including a felony assault conviction, and

520
00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:39.280
who Logan had described as a quote problem, was questioned

521
00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:44.679
about Logan's disappearance. He denied any involvement, agreed to take

522
00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:49.199
a polygraph, and passed. The original detective in the case

523
00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:53.639
ruled him out as a suspect. He remains a source

524
00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:59.480
of concern though for some family members, particularly Logan's great

525
00:34:59.559 --> 00:35:03.960
uncle Mike, but investigators have not named him as at

526
00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:08.599
least a current person of interest. Logan's family launched an

527
00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:14.440
extensive social media campaign. The Logan Schendleman Is Missing page,

528
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:18.360
created by his great aunt Mary, grew to more than

529
00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:22.480
sixty five hundred members by June of twenty sixteen.

530
00:35:23.079 --> 00:35:23.559
Wow.

531
00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:25.960
Pretty impressive in thirty days.

532
00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:28.199
Yeah, you know, or less.

533
00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:32.400
And it's grown to more than seventeen thousand members to date.

534
00:35:33.400 --> 00:35:37.199
The family also started a go fundme allowing them to

535
00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:40.960
hire a private investigator to pursue independent leads.

536
00:35:41.679 --> 00:35:44.719
Get that PI on the case, zactly.

537
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:48.920
A large garage sale of donated items was held in

538
00:35:48.920 --> 00:35:53.599
Olympia in August twenty sixteen to raise additional funds, and

539
00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:59.440
local volunteers raised ten thousand dollars in reward funds by

540
00:35:59.480 --> 00:36:04.000
selling bread bracelets and buttons bearing Logan's name at Tumwater

541
00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:07.519
High School football games. Really cool.

542
00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:10.880
Yeah, people are like rallying, you know, the.

543
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:16.320
Bracelets for the football team's abbreviated slogan n g U

544
00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:21.559
n n g U for never give Up, Never, Never

545
00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:22.440
give Up.

546
00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:27.840
Oh my god, I know, I'm just wow. Who would

547
00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:30.840
have thought they would have needed to use that in

548
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:32.599
this scenario? You know?

549
00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:37.000
Yeah, yeah, I mean I feel like that's like clearly,

550
00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:39.960
you know, supposed to be like kind of locker room

551
00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:45.599
you know, pep talk type material, and like in this

552
00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:48.760
sort of application, it just takes on like such a

553
00:36:48.760 --> 00:36:53.000
different you know meaning, I guess like the significance of it.

554
00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:58.400
In June twenty twenty four, the Thurston County Sheriff's Office

555
00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:02.679
launched a dedicated cold case and missing Persons unit, which

556
00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:06.320
we know already because we talked about it in the

557
00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:11.000
Nancy Moyer case. I believe as well. A specific detective

558
00:37:11.079 --> 00:37:14.519
has been assigned to Logan's case. This is the most

559
00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:20.400
significant institutional development in the investigation in years and represents

560
00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:25.199
a meaningful commitment to keeping the case active. To date,

561
00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:30.159
investigators have found no evidence of a crime, but also

562
00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:32.679
no evidence Logan is alive.

563
00:37:33.519 --> 00:37:37.400
That's insane, Like do you think there would be something

564
00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:40.119
on one side, like something.

565
00:37:41.679 --> 00:37:45.760
I think that's kind of part of why it's so upsetting,

566
00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:51.719
Like going back to that Facebook notification, because I'm sure

567
00:37:51.800 --> 00:37:54.639
that there were probably some people that saw that and

568
00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:58.400
fully did not realize that that was sort of like

569
00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:03.880
an automated thing, and yeah, I can't imagine, like how

570
00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:07.239
like your heart would skip a beat and then to realize,

571
00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:12.679
you know, maybe minutes, days, however long later that it's like, oh,

572
00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:20.559
that wasn't like, that wasn't anything, you know, that said.

573
00:38:20.840 --> 00:38:23.639
Let's talk about some of the theories that have developed

574
00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:29.079
around Logan's disappearance, and there are a few. I'm sure

575
00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:32.360
there are probably others, but I want to talk about

576
00:38:32.440 --> 00:38:33.519
kind of the main ones.

577
00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:37.960
Can I tell you my theory? Yeah, I mean no, no,

578
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:40.599
it's not really like a real theory. But it's like

579
00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:44.679
almost like he just got abducted by aliens, just like vanished. Honestly,

580
00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:49.480
this car or somewhere and just is gone. It's so weird.

581
00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:53.199
It is really bizarre, just because of the fact that

582
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:57.239
it's like people reported seeing this car that appeared to

583
00:38:57.280 --> 00:39:00.760
have no driver. It all like it's it's kind of

584
00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:03.079
freaky because it does sort of it has like sort

585
00:39:03.079 --> 00:39:06.320
of this vibe of like invasion of the body snatchers.

586
00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:13.760
Like the first theory is foul play. Logan's great uncle, Mike,

587
00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:19.159
is a retired Thurston County Sheriff's deputy. He believes Logan

588
00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:24.039
came into conflict with someone. He has said, my own

589
00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:27.519
personal feeling is that he came into conflict with somebody.

590
00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:31.199
I don't think he left on his own. The witness

591
00:39:31.239 --> 00:39:34.559
account of two unidentified men with Logan at his car,

592
00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:37.480
the man who jumped from the passenger side who did

593
00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:41.239
not match Logan's description, and the text message I hope

594
00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:45.039
to survive this week all seemed to sort of support

595
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:52.679
the possibility that Logan encountered someone dangerous. Mike's concern about

596
00:39:53.199 --> 00:39:57.760
Chloe's boyfriend also keeps foul play in the conversation for

597
00:39:57.840 --> 00:40:03.119
some family members, though again, investigators have not supported that

598
00:40:03.239 --> 00:40:07.000
theory or that you know, Chloe's boyfriend was in any

599
00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:12.199
way involved with any evidence. But I do think it's

600
00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:15.920
interesting that you know, the great uncle has a law

601
00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:19.760
enforcement background and he kind of still has his suspicions

602
00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:24.599
about specifically that you know, it was a foul play situation,

603
00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:27.639
and that he still kind of has his radar up

604
00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:30.239
for the boyfriend. Take it with a grain of salt.

605
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:36.760
Theory Number two is mental health crisis or suicide. Police

606
00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:40.119
initially noted they believed Logan may have been suffering from

607
00:40:40.119 --> 00:40:46.159
mental illness. His paranoia the windows comment, you know, people

608
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:47.599
peering in his bedroom window.

609
00:40:48.199 --> 00:40:48.760
Yeah.

610
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:50.960
Creepy, very creepy.

611
00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:51.960
Yeah.

612
00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:54.039
And there's kind of two ways to view that, is

613
00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:57.800
that like, either that's a very real possibility and super

614
00:40:58.039 --> 00:41:02.360
super creepy, or that like maybe he's experiencing, you know,

615
00:41:03.159 --> 00:41:08.079
some sort of hallucination or paranoia and how real that

616
00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:12.639
is hard to say. So that's a tough one. His

617
00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:16.400
withdrawal from his friends and family, his failure to explain

618
00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:23.800
what specifically the epiphany was, and that cryptic text all

619
00:41:23.960 --> 00:41:26.800
kind of point to the possibility of a young man

620
00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:29.000
in psychological distress.

621
00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:32.559
It would be interesting, though, if he like was planning

622
00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:36.079
to end his own life. That he said he hopes

623
00:41:36.159 --> 00:41:39.440
he survives the week. Like that, those two things don't

624
00:41:39.440 --> 00:41:41.039
really add up for me.

625
00:41:42.199 --> 00:41:46.400
Yeah, they do sort of seem conflicting. If he intended

626
00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:48.880
to kill himself. That does seem like an odd thing

627
00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:49.360
to say.

628
00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:52.760
Yeah, like, there's so many other things you would say

629
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:57.960
other than that. Yeah, theoretically you wouldn't want to write.

630
00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:04.039
So yeah, if you're differing from suicidal ideation, I would

631
00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:07.639
agree that it seems like probably you are actually not

632
00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:09.559
hopeful to continue living.

633
00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:11.800
But so that's interesting.

634
00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:15.920
There's also a lot of information about how, you know,

635
00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:20.199
that can really change for people very suddenly. So something

636
00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:24.199
that you said last week, can you know, seemingly be

637
00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:29.519
very conflicting and depending on what the struggle is with

638
00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:33.480
your you know, mental health, uh, you know, your brain chemistry,

639
00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:39.239
it's so hard to say. Lieutenant Simper confirmed to Dateline.

640
00:42:39.800 --> 00:42:44.880
Logan's grandmother reported that Logan did have some mental health struggles,

641
00:42:44.920 --> 00:42:48.159
that he had been battling depression, that he struggled with

642
00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:53.320
his identity. The dense Pacific Northwest forest surrounding the I

643
00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:57.320
five corridor near Rochester means that if Logan walked into

644
00:42:57.360 --> 00:43:01.480
those woods in crisis, he might never have been found.

645
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:05.599
Despite the searches. I do think that in the time

646
00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:10.880
that has elapsed, it seems like probably, you know, we

647
00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:15.039
should have found him eventually. If it was in fact

648
00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:22.000
a suicide because you can't conceal your own body very effectively. However,

649
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:25.199
and this is a really interesting piece because I hadn't

650
00:43:25.239 --> 00:43:28.679
really thought about this is definitely something that we talked

651
00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:31.440
about and how it's such a puzzling sort of piece

652
00:43:31.480 --> 00:43:33.599
as the picture, but I hadn't thought about it from

653
00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:38.599
this angle. The grocery sack of the snacks in the

654
00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:44.239
car suggests he expected to return, which many observers take

655
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:46.840
as evidence against a self harmed theory.

656
00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:51.800
That is true. Yeah, why would you pack snacks if

657
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:53.280
you're not gonna eat the snack? Uh?

658
00:43:53.440 --> 00:43:58.360
Yeah, I don't know, because they're snacks, Yeah, exactly. Yeah,

659
00:43:58.360 --> 00:44:03.280
I mean, listen, you can't stop that sort of it's

660
00:44:03.280 --> 00:44:03.639
a thing.

661
00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:07.119
Or maybe he thought he would want snacks like his

662
00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:12.239
maybe his favorite things, and then like decided he wasn't hungry.

663
00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:12.800
I don't know.

664
00:44:13.639 --> 00:44:16.159
Yeah, I mean, I think you can kind of argue

665
00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:22.400
a lot of these things sort of in opposing uh directions.

666
00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:24.039
It makes it really hard.

667
00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:27.679
Yeah, I think that's kind of part of the problem,

668
00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:29.599
is that a lot of this stuff it's like without

669
00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:34.360
you know, more evidence, without more context, it's sort of

670
00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:39.000
hard to know which way to interpret things. The third theory,

671
00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:41.920
and this is one that comes It comes up with

672
00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:46.159
a lot really in any sort of disappearance, it's that

673
00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:51.760
it was a voluntary disappearance. Some have speculated that Logan

674
00:44:51.920 --> 00:44:56.280
staged his disappearance, that the epiphany was a decision to

675
00:44:56.400 --> 00:45:00.760
walk away from his life and start over. However, maintaining

676
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:07.239
a voluntary disappearance for nine plus years without any confirmed sightings,

677
00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:13.840
financial activity, or contact with family is extraordinarily difficult to sustain,

678
00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:19.440
particularly for a nineteen year old who presumably doesn't really

679
00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:23.840
have a ton of resources. You know, we're not talking about, uh,

680
00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:28.639
you know, a better call Saul type situation as far

681
00:45:28.719 --> 00:45:32.280
as we're aware, right, Like, he doesn't have a guy

682
00:45:32.360 --> 00:45:33.639
at the vacuum store.

683
00:45:34.480 --> 00:45:37.719
I don't know what that means, but yes, oh.

684
00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:40.519
Oh my god. Okay, well, and I guess I say

685
00:45:40.519 --> 00:45:44.119
better call Saul. But I think that's actually that's uh,

686
00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:50.559
it's not actually Saul, that's Walter White. He like shows

687
00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:53.320
up at a vacuum store, and like that's the guy

688
00:45:53.400 --> 00:45:55.599
that's supposed to like disappear you and give you a

689
00:45:55.639 --> 00:46:00.360
whole new identity and that yeah.

690
00:45:59.599 --> 00:46:01.840
Oh my god. And we talked about vacuums at the

691
00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:03.320
beginning of this how weird.

692
00:46:04.119 --> 00:46:05.039
Uh suck?

693
00:46:06.039 --> 00:46:07.719
Yeah, that is weird.

694
00:46:08.159 --> 00:46:09.719
It's kind of weird, right.

695
00:46:10.159 --> 00:46:13.400
It's like he got sucked up by a giant vacuum.

696
00:46:13.719 --> 00:46:17.320
Like a vacuum in the sky. Possibly, it's hard to say.

697
00:46:17.840 --> 00:46:21.000
I really don't think that, you guys, that's obviously insane,

698
00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:24.000
but it's just weird.

699
00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:29.119
No confirmed sightings of Logan have been reported since twenty sixteen.

700
00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:34.239
These aforementioned theories are aligned with what law enforcement has

701
00:46:34.599 --> 00:46:40.599
discussed publicly about the case, and this last one not

702
00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:45.239
so much. I'm not sharing it because of any validity

703
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:49.920
in Logan's case, rather precisely because I would argue it

704
00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:55.199
ties back to important conversations about racial identity and bias

705
00:46:55.480 --> 00:46:59.840
in relation to the case, as opposed to his disappearance.

706
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:06.400
Theory number four drug related conflict. Of course, some have

707
00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:11.480
speculated about a drug related conflict, though investigators found no

708
00:47:11.559 --> 00:47:15.840
evidence to support this and they have not elevated this theory.

709
00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:21.199
I think it's really important to note, and actually kind

710
00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:23.679
of is a little bit of a relief in this case,

711
00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:28.880
that that's not a theory that they are promoting, propagating, elevating,

712
00:47:30.039 --> 00:47:34.400
you know, actively speaking about. This particular theory appears to

713
00:47:34.519 --> 00:47:42.079
have emerged from community speculation and secondary true crime coverage.

714
00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:43.639
Sounds like gossip to.

715
00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:48.119
Me mm hm, And not only is the basis for

716
00:47:48.239 --> 00:47:55.320
it thin at best at absolute best, but it attaches

717
00:47:55.440 --> 00:47:59.960
to Logan in a way that is worth examining Critically.

718
00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:03.760
Logan was a young, multi racial man who grew up

719
00:48:03.800 --> 00:48:08.280
in a predominantly white community. The assumption that a person

720
00:48:08.280 --> 00:48:12.519
of color who smoked marijuana must therefore have connections to

721
00:48:12.639 --> 00:48:18.320
drug dealing is a documented form of racial bias, one

722
00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:21.039
that has been well studied in both law enforcement and

723
00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:26.159
media coverage of missing persons cases. Logan's drug use was

724
00:48:26.559 --> 00:48:31.639
recreational marijuana only, and he was not believed to be

725
00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:36.840
involved in personally consuming or dealing harder drugs. There was

726
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:41.320
no apparent unpaid drug debt, and investigators found no direct

727
00:48:41.320 --> 00:48:47.840
links to such illicit activities. Also, here's the other part. Okay,

728
00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:53.480
Recreational marijuana had been legal in Washington for nearly four

729
00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:58.280
years by the time Logan disappeared, with retail sales beginning

730
00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:02.039
in July of twenty fourteen. A theory about drug dealer

731
00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:07.719
conflict or drug related conflict based solely on recreational marijuana

732
00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:12.119
use in a state where it was fully legal carries

733
00:49:12.519 --> 00:49:17.400
very little weight in that it makes absolutely no fucking sense. Yeah,

734
00:49:17.440 --> 00:49:19.760
it's the kind of theory that gets attached to cases,

735
00:49:19.840 --> 00:49:25.199
particularly those involving people of color, without much evidentiary basis

736
00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:31.920
or apparently logic. Yeah, like why why would there have

737
00:49:32.119 --> 00:49:37.239
been any sort of drug related conflict when it just

738
00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:39.679
it doesn't make any fucking sense.

739
00:49:40.239 --> 00:49:40.719
Right, Like.

740
00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:43.920
This is why have nice things?

741
00:49:44.039 --> 00:49:46.920
I know, Like I hope that like, if I go missing,

742
00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:51.519
I do recreational marijuana. So like, are people gonna assume

743
00:49:51.559 --> 00:49:56.280
that I have harder drug dealing? Like, no, they're not.

744
00:49:57.559 --> 00:49:58.039
I mean I.

745
00:49:57.960 --> 00:50:02.400
Would think typically no, probably not, because I'm a quiet woman.

746
00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:06.400
Right exactly. I think it speaks like I think we

747
00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:10.480
all implicitly understand why that would even be a consideration

748
00:50:10.840 --> 00:50:16.199
in his case, And that fucking sucks. As we record

749
00:50:16.280 --> 00:50:20.079
this episode in May twenty twenty six, the ten year

750
00:50:20.119 --> 00:50:25.159
anniversary of Logan's disappearance has just come and gone, literally

751
00:50:25.280 --> 00:50:29.840
just in the last handful of days. Investigators have received

752
00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:32.679
tips from across the country, but none has led to

753
00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:36.400
a break in the case, which begs so many questions

754
00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:39.840
if he's dead, where are his remains? And how did

755
00:50:39.880 --> 00:50:44.280
he meet his untimely end? And if he's alive, where

756
00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:48.159
did he go? Some might understand how a young man

757
00:50:48.320 --> 00:50:52.039
in his position could be motivated to leave, attempting to

758
00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:56.239
start fresh somewhere new, But I think in his case,

759
00:50:56.360 --> 00:50:59.639
why not provide his family with closure or an explanation.

760
00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:05.519
The Shndelman family has never stopped looking for Logan. His

761
00:51:05.599 --> 00:51:09.840
grandmother Jinny, who still believes somehow that Logan is alive,

762
00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:15.800
has described living with ambiguous loss, a term his great

763
00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:19.920
aunt Mary also used. You're kind of stuck in the middle.

764
00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:25.760
Mary said, you're kind of impurgatory. His great uncle Mike

765
00:51:25.960 --> 00:51:29.760
described it as a constant source of stress. It doesn't

766
00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:34.039
go away, and it will not go away. Logan's aunt,

767
00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:37.800
Tina Crarey, who had only recently had the chance to

768
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:42.519
meet him before he disappeared after his previously estranged family

769
00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:47.119
connections were explored, expressed the grief of a relationship that

770
00:51:47.199 --> 00:51:51.639
barely had time to begin. I felt cheated, It felt

771
00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:56.199
very wrong. Finally I meet this beautiful young man that

772
00:51:56.360 --> 00:51:59.000
had so much in front of him, so many things

773
00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:03.519
that he could do, and he's gone. Logan's case has

774
00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:09.039
received sustained national attention. His disappearance was profiled on the

775
00:52:09.039 --> 00:52:14.559
investigation Discovery docuseries Disappeared. It was also the subject of

776
00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:18.400
season two of the Hide and Seek podcast, the same

777
00:52:18.519 --> 00:52:22.719
podcast credited with generating new leads in the You Guessed

778
00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:24.440
It Nancy Moyer case.

779
00:52:24.800 --> 00:52:26.039
Yeah, that is so crazy.

780
00:52:26.920 --> 00:52:30.400
It's crazy. I was like, I don't maybe just like

781
00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:35.639
the powers that be within the Internet universe were like, oh,

782
00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:39.000
you were looking at this, would you like to also

783
00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:42.480
hear about this and look at all these strange peril

784
00:52:43.360 --> 00:52:45.360
I don't know. This is just where I ended up.

785
00:52:46.599 --> 00:52:51.079
His case was featured on Dateline NBC's Missing in America podcast,

786
00:52:51.320 --> 00:52:56.239
hosted by Josh Mekowitz, which brought renewed national attention to

787
00:52:56.400 --> 00:53:00.679
the investigation. I mentioned just a moment ago that the

788
00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:07.519
ten year anniversary just passed. On May sixteenth, twenty twenty six, friends, family,

789
00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:11.559
and community supporters gathered at the Silo on seventy fourth

790
00:53:11.559 --> 00:53:15.440
Avenue in Olympia for a vigil to mark the occasion

791
00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:19.440
and honor not only Logan's memory, but the effort to

792
00:53:19.559 --> 00:53:25.400
remain hopeful. The reward available for information leading to Logan's

793
00:53:25.440 --> 00:53:30.199
recovery has increased to fifteen thousand dollars, up from ten

794
00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:35.480
thousand previously raised through community efforts. His great aunt Mary

795
00:53:35.559 --> 00:53:40.880
said to attendees, Logan was a very responsible person. He

796
00:53:40.920 --> 00:53:45.159
was kind, he was very respectful. His teachers loved him.

797
00:53:45.800 --> 00:53:48.159
I could talk for weeks about what a great kid

798
00:53:48.239 --> 00:53:53.320
he was. Tina Crairie spoke as well, urging anyone with

799
00:53:53.440 --> 00:53:57.880
any information to come forward. She said, someone has to

800
00:53:57.960 --> 00:54:01.719
know something, and no matter how minute they think it is,

801
00:54:02.119 --> 00:54:05.440
they need to come forward. He deserves to have his

802
00:54:05.519 --> 00:54:10.159
story told. We owe that to him, so we'll close

803
00:54:10.159 --> 00:54:15.760
out on this. Logan Drew Schendelman is described as being

804
00:54:15.880 --> 00:54:19.360
six feet tall. He has brown eyes and black hair,

805
00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:23.760
which he has typically shaved. He has a small scar

806
00:54:24.079 --> 00:54:27.719
on his left forearm and was last seen wearing a

807
00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:32.199
black windbreaker, jeans and a white shirt, and tennis shoes,

808
00:54:32.719 --> 00:54:40.480
possibly Nikes. Roughly a year after Logan's disappearance, Detective Frank

809
00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:45.159
Frawley said, I have no reason to believe he's been killed.

810
00:54:46.639 --> 00:54:51.320
I have no reason to believe he's alive. If he

811
00:54:51.400 --> 00:54:56.360
is still alive, and hopefully he is, Logan would be

812
00:54:56.360 --> 00:55:02.079
twenty nine years old. His family wants, answers. If you

813
00:55:02.199 --> 00:55:06.679
know something, please contact the Thurston County Sheriff's Office at

814
00:55:06.719 --> 00:55:12.280
three six oh seven eight six five to five zero zero,

815
00:55:12.559 --> 00:55:15.840
And of course we'll include this and other resources in

816
00:55:15.880 --> 00:55:20.159
our show notes. This is just heartbreaking in so many ways,

817
00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:23.239
and a lot of it. I feel like I feel

818
00:55:23.239 --> 00:55:25.480
bad because in a way I don't feel like I

819
00:55:25.519 --> 00:55:30.360
can fully speak to In a way, I feel like

820
00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:33.320
it's still important to share his story, even if not

821
00:55:33.440 --> 00:55:37.000
all of it, all of the details are things that

822
00:55:37.039 --> 00:55:40.440
like I can personally relate to or speak to, but

823
00:55:40.519 --> 00:55:44.480
it's it's just it breaks my heart.

824
00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:46.480
Yeah, mine too.

825
00:55:47.320 --> 00:55:53.679
Thanks, I know, sorry about that, but it's important.

826
00:55:54.920 --> 00:55:55.440
Yeah.

827
00:55:56.320 --> 00:56:01.199
I have decided recently that I really I'm like, I

828
00:56:01.239 --> 00:56:05.280
don't care how hard I fall down the rabbit hole.

829
00:56:05.800 --> 00:56:09.360
I need to break up some of these unsalts. We've

830
00:56:09.360 --> 00:56:11.280
had a couple of them right in a row, and

831
00:56:11.320 --> 00:56:16.679
I they're really they're really tough. I need to have

832
00:56:16.760 --> 00:56:21.119
some resolutions mixed in there because it just, yeah, it

833
00:56:21.199 --> 00:56:22.639
honestly just makes it too hard.

834
00:56:22.920 --> 00:56:24.800
But kind of like we said last time, like you

835
00:56:24.840 --> 00:56:27.000
never know who's listening, You never know who might know

836
00:56:27.159 --> 00:56:31.159
something or so it's important to have it out there.

837
00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:35.119
It really is and that's that's the thing. And that's

838
00:56:35.159 --> 00:56:38.320
why kind of as much as I like, I'm like,

839
00:56:38.400 --> 00:56:42.159
I don't it hurts too much, and I'm like, well,

840
00:56:43.039 --> 00:56:46.039
you know who else is hurting? And then I feel

841
00:56:46.079 --> 00:56:50.639
like an asshole and I you know, yeah.

842
00:56:49.480 --> 00:56:52.280
Gosh what you said about them feeling like they're in

843
00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:58.920
purgatory like they, Oh, that was hard by they. I

844
00:56:58.960 --> 00:57:04.239
mean the family. Should we do some taro and yeah,

845
00:57:04.239 --> 00:57:06.960
maybe maybe trying to get some insight into this.

846
00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:08.039
We shall see.

847
00:57:09.199 --> 00:57:11.400
It's gonna tell us exactly where he's at.

848
00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:16.360
Oh, I mean, if only I know.

849
00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:18.159
I wish it worked like that.

850
00:57:24.719 --> 00:57:26.760
All right, I'm gonna fan these out in front of

851
00:57:26.800 --> 00:57:37.559
the keyboard, okay, sending thoughts. What do we feel like? Oh? Okay,

852
00:57:37.639 --> 00:57:41.800
hold on, Actually I might be making an executive decision here.

853
00:57:41.679 --> 00:57:44.119
Okay, because I kind of felt like you were gonna

854
00:57:44.119 --> 00:57:46.199
be doing that anyway, so I didn't have an opinion.

855
00:57:47.079 --> 00:57:51.000
Okay, Oh this is interesting. Okay, Well, I don't know.

856
00:57:51.159 --> 00:57:55.239
Something just told me like over here on this side

857
00:57:55.239 --> 00:57:56.960
of the deck and it lined up with like the

858
00:57:57.159 --> 00:58:01.440
L key on the keyboard, and I was like, okay,

859
00:58:01.880 --> 00:58:05.679
I've heard that, so we got the Night of Swords.

860
00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:08.199
So it was like a hawk diving for its prey,

861
00:58:08.360 --> 00:58:12.039
is what it looked like to me. Yeah, which is

862
00:58:12.079 --> 00:58:16.480
interesting because like it's going at high speed and it's like, yeah,

863
00:58:17.039 --> 00:58:18.719
not that the car. I don't think the car was

864
00:58:18.760 --> 00:58:20.719
going at like a high speed or anything. Right, Well,

865
00:58:20.800 --> 00:58:24.559
I mean it was on I five. Yeah, that's true.

866
00:58:25.599 --> 00:58:27.840
It had to be going at some speed.

867
00:58:27.639 --> 00:58:29.719
Right, So that's interesting to me.

868
00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:32.599
It's a northern ghost shock.

869
00:58:33.440 --> 00:58:37.239
Oh what's that? So it's not a hawk? Uh?

870
00:58:37.639 --> 00:58:40.079
I think it's a howk I mean ghost shop is

871
00:58:40.119 --> 00:58:44.199
spelled like ghost like ghosts.

872
00:58:43.639 --> 00:58:45.960
Hawk, goss hawk, a goss hawk, gosshawk.

873
00:58:46.800 --> 00:58:49.719
I don't know exactly how to say this, Okay, I'm

874
00:58:49.760 --> 00:58:53.880
just gonna say I googled this type of bird. The

875
00:58:53.960 --> 00:58:58.199
Northern ghost shock or ghost hawk is the largest of

876
00:58:58.360 --> 00:59:05.000
North America's ace sipters acipiters, excipiters. I'm not really sure.

877
00:59:05.599 --> 00:59:07.360
I don't know either, bird people. Let us know.

878
00:59:08.039 --> 00:59:12.079
I don't. Yeah, listen, I can look up pronunciations all day,

879
00:59:12.440 --> 00:59:14.760
but I think I'm gonna I'm gonna stick to the

880
00:59:14.840 --> 00:59:19.760
key bowings, a family of secretive forest dwelling birds of

881
00:59:19.840 --> 00:59:24.920
prey recognized with their short, rounded wings and long tails.

882
00:59:25.679 --> 00:59:32.679
They are renowned for their ferocious nest defense, fearless hunting, prowess,

883
00:59:32.679 --> 00:59:39.719
and hyper acrobatic flight through Wow, so they're like.

884
00:59:41.159 --> 00:59:44.159
That they're in like dense woods, And that was like, yes,

885
00:59:44.960 --> 00:59:47.280
the search area was dense woods.

886
00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:50.039
I know. That's kind of what I was thinking too.

887
00:59:50.920 --> 00:59:53.239
Huh is it telling us these in there?

888
00:59:54.000 --> 00:59:56.440
Like? That's in a way kind of what it feels like.

889
00:59:57.320 --> 01:00:00.840
So we have the Night of Swords in reverse. Our

890
01:00:00.960 --> 01:00:11.039
keywords are daring, chivalry, forthrightness, impatience, single mindedness, insensitivity.

891
01:00:11.199 --> 01:00:14.119
Insensitivity kind of sounds like people coming up with their

892
01:00:14.719 --> 01:00:16.920
rude ass theories.

893
01:00:17.000 --> 01:00:19.599
Right, Yeah, I mean it could be a lot of people, honestly.

894
01:00:20.400 --> 01:00:25.239
Knights often symbolize messages or travel some decks, including the

895
01:00:25.239 --> 01:00:28.880
writer Waite Smith Tarot show This night rushing how bent

896
01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:34.239
toward an adversary or adventure in the aquarian taro. However,

897
01:00:34.480 --> 01:00:38.840
he shoulders his sword, contemplating his next move. If he

898
01:00:38.960 --> 01:00:41.719
represents a person, you know, he may be someone who's

899
01:00:41.800 --> 01:00:47.039
overly aggressive or argumentative who lives in attack mode, or

900
01:00:47.320 --> 01:00:51.360
he might be a spiritual warrior, one who uses his

901
01:00:51.519 --> 01:00:54.519
intellect to examine and purify himself.

902
01:00:55.199 --> 01:00:58.079
That's interesting that it said it's like kind of rushing

903
01:00:58.159 --> 01:01:02.360
towards something, because he was he said he had what

904
01:01:02.400 --> 01:01:06.519
an epiphany and he was going to do something like Yeah,

905
01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:08.320
we just don't know.

906
01:01:08.199 --> 01:01:12.360
What, Okay. So I feel like maybe there's a little

907
01:01:12.360 --> 01:01:16.280
bit of a thread In this extra excerpt, it says

908
01:01:16.559 --> 01:01:19.719
our modern day athletic teams have their roots in the

909
01:01:19.760 --> 01:01:25.559
medieval period, when knights served the royalty and noble houses.

910
01:01:26.199 --> 01:01:30.239
Our allegiance to particular teams, often connected to the schools

911
01:01:30.280 --> 01:01:34.400
we attended or the places where we live, recalls our

912
01:01:34.519 --> 01:01:39.800
ancestors fidelity to the tribes, fiefdoms, or countries to which

913
01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:40.599
they belonged.

914
01:01:41.360 --> 01:01:41.719
Whoa.

915
01:01:42.679 --> 01:01:45.599
Even the pennants waived at sporting events harken back to

916
01:01:45.679 --> 01:01:49.400
days of old when soldiers carried banners into battle to

917
01:01:49.519 --> 01:01:53.400
indicate the side for which they fought. So I feel

918
01:01:53.400 --> 01:01:58.280
like this kind of speaks to like his tie to football,

919
01:01:58.400 --> 01:02:01.199
but also I feel like, more importantly kind of the

920
01:02:01.320 --> 01:02:07.320
tie to you know, like his his cultural and ethnic identity.

921
01:02:08.079 --> 01:02:14.280
Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, it's super weird to me that

922
01:02:14.360 --> 01:02:19.360
it mentioned something about like sports, because that was even

923
01:02:19.440 --> 01:02:23.480
on the on the bracelets that they were selling like they're.

924
01:02:23.599 --> 01:02:29.239
Yes, right. The Reverse Night lacks the intensity, drive, and

925
01:02:29.400 --> 01:02:33.719
confidence of the Upright Night. When he appears in a reading,

926
01:02:34.039 --> 01:02:40.960
he suggests a lackadaisical attitude, indecision, confusion, or withholding information.

927
01:02:42.079 --> 01:02:46.480
Wow, seems like there was a lot of that. Yeah,

928
01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:50.119
not that he was really being that way on purpose

929
01:02:50.320 --> 01:02:52.960
or like lazy is kind of what it was sounding

930
01:02:53.079 --> 01:02:55.400
like with that. What was the other word it used.

931
01:02:55.360 --> 01:03:00.400
Well, lackadaisical kind of doesn't I wouldn't say that. I

932
01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:04.400
liken that to lazy. It's sort of like kind of

933
01:03:04.440 --> 01:03:06.800
like a come, what may you know? Oh?

934
01:03:06.840 --> 01:03:08.880
Okay, yeah, that makes sense.

935
01:03:11.199 --> 01:03:14.239
If he represents an actual person. He may be a

936
01:03:14.280 --> 01:03:17.760
young man who doesn't say what he really means, who

937
01:03:17.800 --> 01:03:21.079
lives in his mind instead of the real world, or

938
01:03:21.119 --> 01:03:27.960
who's incapable of handling the tasks before him. Whoa yeah.

939
01:03:28.760 --> 01:03:31.800
In a reading about money, the Reverse Night may indicate

940
01:03:31.880 --> 01:03:36.519
imprudence in a financial venture. Either you haven't thought things

941
01:03:36.920 --> 01:03:40.880
through fully or you think you know everything. Losses may

942
01:03:40.920 --> 01:03:43.880
occur as a result. Don't act on impulse.

943
01:03:44.519 --> 01:03:49.840
Oh no, yeah, Like it just makes me think about, like,

944
01:03:49.920 --> 01:03:53.519
what was he doing with these guys? Did they like

945
01:03:53.719 --> 01:03:56.199
promise him some sort of work or something, and.

946
01:03:57.880 --> 01:04:01.159
It's so hard to say, like, yeah, yeah, it doesn't

947
01:04:01.199 --> 01:04:05.159
seem like anybody identified them as being connected to him

948
01:04:06.920 --> 01:04:09.480
in any aspect of his life, and you know, nobody

949
01:04:09.480 --> 01:04:13.920
flagged them as oh that's so and so. If the

950
01:04:13.960 --> 01:04:16.920
reading is about your job, you may feel restless in

951
01:04:16.960 --> 01:04:20.119
your current position but haven't decided on a new course

952
01:04:20.159 --> 01:04:24.119
of action. Perhaps you're discouraged or angry about something in

953
01:04:24.159 --> 01:04:28.920
your workplace. Don't make waves or burn bridges. Investigate your

954
01:04:28.960 --> 01:04:34.760
options dispassionately so you can make an informed change. I

955
01:04:34.760 --> 01:04:38.440
don't know. I mean, we really only talked about his

956
01:04:39.239 --> 01:04:42.599
any of his jobs, his work in a very cursory way.

957
01:04:42.800 --> 01:04:48.440
So in a reading about love, the reverse night suggests arguments,

958
01:04:48.599 --> 01:04:53.239
cutting words, or irresponsible behavior may cause a rift in

959
01:04:53.280 --> 01:04:59.719
a relationship. This card can also indicate dishonesty. Perhaps one

960
01:04:59.760 --> 01:05:03.760
of you wants more freedom and rebels against commitment and structure.

961
01:05:04.760 --> 01:05:07.320
That's interesting. I feel like that could almost pertain to

962
01:05:07.599 --> 01:05:12.400
sort of the you know, going off to WSU and

963
01:05:13.000 --> 01:05:17.079
not feeling like he could really fully commit to his

964
01:05:17.199 --> 01:05:21.519
academic endeavors there in a way.

965
01:05:21.480 --> 01:05:24.920
Yeah, or I was kind of thinking about obviously not

966
01:05:24.960 --> 01:05:28.039
like love relationships, but like the relationships with this high

967
01:05:28.039 --> 01:05:30.880
school friends that kind of I mean, it's not the

968
01:05:31.000 --> 01:05:34.760
exact wording because that's kind of more about a love relationship.

969
01:05:34.880 --> 01:05:38.679
But no, but I see what you're saying. I can

970
01:05:38.840 --> 01:05:41.559
kind of see how that could be applied.

971
01:05:41.199 --> 01:05:45.800
There or possibly like with his sister's boyfriend, like obviously

972
01:05:45.880 --> 01:05:48.920
there was something wrong in that relationship.

973
01:05:50.119 --> 01:05:54.840
Yeah, I mean, could be for sure. It's interesting. I

974
01:05:54.880 --> 01:05:59.159
do think the visual is very stunning, considering how his

975
01:05:59.280 --> 01:06:02.159
vehicle was was found, that.

976
01:06:02.159 --> 01:06:07.599
Is, and the wording of even like withholding information or

977
01:06:07.679 --> 01:06:10.320
stuff like that, that kind of wording that it used

978
01:06:10.800 --> 01:06:13.239
because he wasn't really telling people what was going on.

979
01:06:13.559 --> 01:06:17.960
You know. Yeah, I think the text, whether he meant

980
01:06:17.960 --> 01:06:21.119
it to be as cryptic as it is now in hindsight.

981
01:06:22.320 --> 01:06:24.559
And then you know, the statement that he made about

982
01:06:25.000 --> 01:06:28.960
his half sister's you know, boyfriend at the time both

983
01:06:29.000 --> 01:06:31.719
of those things is like, oh, we just don't have

984
01:06:31.800 --> 01:06:35.039
any more information about that, at least you know, to

985
01:06:35.119 --> 01:06:39.360
my knowledge to date. So it's sort of like it

986
01:06:39.400 --> 01:06:41.719
feels like withholding, But I don't know that it was

987
01:06:41.880 --> 01:06:45.400
necessarily meant that that was the intent.

988
01:06:46.000 --> 01:06:49.440
Right, Well, we didn't really get any answers, unfortunately.

989
01:06:49.719 --> 01:06:54.000
But yeah, I mean the day that you know, we

990
01:06:54.119 --> 01:06:58.599
actually get like truly, like a full and complete resolution

991
01:06:58.760 --> 01:07:03.599
on a case from Matario, that would be amazing. But uh,

992
01:07:03.679 --> 01:07:06.719
you know, I'm not going to hold my breath on that.

993
01:07:06.760 --> 01:07:09.400
But it is interesting to think about some of the

994
01:07:09.480 --> 01:07:12.039
insight in relation to the case. For sure.

995
01:07:12.920 --> 01:07:15.039
I'm glad you read the thing about the birds being

996
01:07:15.079 --> 01:07:18.880
like from the Yeah, the thick woods or whatever, it's

997
01:07:19.159 --> 01:07:20.480
the thick woods.

998
01:07:21.039 --> 01:07:23.400
Oh my gosh, should we do that thing.

999
01:07:24.119 --> 01:07:28.599
Yeah, let's do it and hope we hear that he's

1000
01:07:28.679 --> 01:07:33.360
fountained someday. Yeah, have a creepy day. We'll see you

1001
01:07:33.440 --> 01:07:40.320
next Thursday. Don't be fucking racist, your pieces of shit. Seriously, God,

1002
01:07:40.840 --> 01:07:42.760
calm down. You need to calm down.

1003
01:07:43.760 --> 01:07:47.840
Seriously, you need to take several seats.

1004
01:07:50.400 --> 01:07:54.360
And honestly, okay, one last thing, even if he was

1005
01:07:54.559 --> 01:07:58.159
some crazy drug dealer, you still need to find him

1006
01:07:58.159 --> 01:08:01.639
because he still has a family, he's still person. I

1007
01:08:01.639 --> 01:08:04.599
don't fucking care. Yeah, they'll need a look and find

1008
01:08:04.679 --> 01:08:06.679
him and figure out what happened. That's all.

1009
01:08:06.960 --> 01:08:09.400
No, I mean it really, it goes back and we've

1010
01:08:09.440 --> 01:08:12.719
talked about it so many times before. But like, you know,

1011
01:08:13.559 --> 01:08:18.680
there are so many cases where it's like victims of

1012
01:08:19.000 --> 01:08:23.520
you know, any number of crimes, like whether they are missing,

1013
01:08:23.680 --> 01:08:27.920
whether they are murdered, whether you know, it's a you know, assault,

1014
01:08:28.039 --> 01:08:32.239
whatever it is. It's like their worthiness as a victim

1015
01:08:33.119 --> 01:08:36.560
in so many people's minds is often determined by like

1016
01:08:36.720 --> 01:08:41.640
how you know, how much they meet the criteria that

1017
01:08:42.520 --> 01:08:45.560
people kind of invent, and it's like, listen, this is

1018
01:08:45.600 --> 01:08:49.359
a person, this is what happened to them or you know,

1019
01:08:49.439 --> 01:08:52.359
what we believe happened to them, and they are no

1020
01:08:52.520 --> 01:08:56.800
less worthy just because they don't meet some arbitrary, you know,

1021
01:08:57.119 --> 01:09:02.000
criteria for what you think a perfect victim is. Yeah,

1022
01:09:03.439 --> 01:09:07.600
so I totally agree. Even if it wasn't just like

1023
01:09:08.039 --> 01:09:13.359
kind of nonsensical, bigoted thinking that kind of has generated

1024
01:09:13.439 --> 01:09:17.479
that specific theory. It kind of is just like nobody

1025
01:09:17.479 --> 01:09:20.319
fucking cares because that's not really what matters.