Lindsey Baum: Unsolved | McCleary, WA

0:02 Over sixteen years have passed since a ten year old girl walked four blocks through a quiet logging town and never came home. Sixteen loss years of tips that went nowhere. Long before hunters stumbled across the fractured skull of Lindsey Baum in the Mountains. The case was characterized by frustration as search warrants and polygraphs ultimately became dead ends. Hi Cassie, Hi, Caitlin. High creepy people, Oh hello hellou. This is PNW Holns and Homicides where we chat about true crime, the paranormal, and all things spooky in the Pacific Northwest.

0:56 Or the p and W if you're nasty, yees. We also do a little Taroor reading at the end of every episode for a little bit of deeper insight into our topic. PNW Haunts and Homicides is produced independently. If you enjoy this episode, please subscribe, leave a review, and share with a fellow true crime listener. McCleary. Washington is a small mill town founded as a logging camp in Gray's Harbor County, with less than two thousand residents. Hey, we know about Gray's Harbor. Grays Harbor, with its tiny grid of two dozen streets talked amongst vast forests. It's a pretty typical rural community.

1:44 But back in the days of Prohibition, McCleary had a reputation for making high quality moonshine whiskey. These days, however, with a population so small where one company, the Simpson Door Plan, employs over two hundred of its residents, it's truly the type of quiet small town where almost everyone knows each other. Like ten percent of the population works at this single company. Wow. Kind of crazy. Yeah. In two thousand and nine, Melissa Baum and her two children, Joshua and Lindsay, had recently relocated from Tennessee after Melissa's divorce, Hoping for a fresh start. Melissa thought McCleary felt like a nice, quiet, safe town. Lindsay was a mama's girl who hated being out past dark. I'm so precious, a girl who'd scribble stories on napkins and dream of filling her own bookshelves one day. She loved Harry Potter and Twilight in particular. Hell yeah, I know, just a girl after our own heart.

2:56 Seriously. That summer, the family began to settle in, make new friends and plans for the fall and the rest of their future. On June twenty sixth, Lindsay spent the afternoon at a friends school, swimming and talking about what middle school would be like in the fall. She had just finished fifth grade and her eleventh birthday was eleven days away. Oh spooky, I know there's something about it being her eleventh birthday and that it was eleven days away. Ye, kind of gives you the chili willies. That evening, Lindsay asked if she could sleep over. The girls weren't ready for the day to end.

3:38 So cute. It's like that like late June, Like it's right before the fourth of July. It's like right when like the summer weather gets good and you're just having so much fun. How yeah, and you've gone yeah, well yeah, June twenty six It would be pretty much in any district, I think, unless you go to year round schoolw ooh. Even though it was a summer Friday night, the answer was no oh. Because she and her brother Joshua had argued earlier, he'd turned back home, so she set out on the ten minute walk home alone, without money, a change of clothes, or even her cell phone, which had been accidentally left on its charger at home, which is kind of crazy because I think it's pretty normal these days for kids to have phones. I think, but I'm like, wow, she's not even eleven yet and she has a phone.

4:39 Yeah, Like that's wild. To me, just because I'm like, I don't think I got a phone until I was like almost fourteen. And even then it was like like the equivalent of like giving a kid a flip phone. Now, yeah, it's one of those Nokia like touchpad bed Bully's. Mine was definitely a flip phone. I was like, yeah, I feel like I was sixteen. I don't know, I could have been fifteen. Yeah, so cool. She was last seen around nine to fifteen pm by a neighbor walking along Maple Street between fifth and sixth Street. When Lindsay didn't come home, Melissa called her friend's house.

5:20 The mother said she hadn't seen Lindsay in over an hour. Oh. Melissa called nine one one, stating her daughter was not the kind of kid who wandered off. She would have hurried home as the sun was going down to avoid being alone in the dark in a place where she was only just getting her bearings. I can't even imagine for a kid that already is afraid of the dark. And you know it's still like a new. Town to you. Yeah, they hadn't been living there very long. I have to walk home without your phone. Yeah. In the days before she vanished, Lindsay told her mother she believed a man in a white car had been following her.

6:03 Well, shit, that's not good. No, And the night. Before she disappeared, she told her mom she had a feeling something bad was going to happen to her. These details suggest she may have been watched or targeted in the days prior to her disappearance. Lindsay's disappearance was taken seriously from the start. From the beginning, her mother, Melissa, was certain that her daughter had not wandered off or run away. By Saturday afternoon, officials agreed. Sheriff Rick Scott stated this young girl didn't simply run off on her own. There was no evidence to support that. On Sunday, the FBI's Seattle Field office arrived and began working the case.

6:51 Soon dozens of agents were assisting, along with hundreds of police officers and searchers. Which was like, pretty freaking quick your kid to go missing Friday night and the FBI is on the scene by Sunday. I mean, that's got to make you at least feel good that they're doing everything that they can. In the months that followed, Lindsay's case went national. Her photo appeared on the cover of People magazine in twenty ten. Wow. I didn't know they did stuff like that. I you know, People magazine, honestly, will it can be anything that ends up making the. Cover anyone who's a person, I mean, yeah, pretty much. Yeah.

7:35 In the aftermath of Lindsay's disappearance, scrutiny fell on the family too, of course. Yeah, I mean it's a sad reality. The weight of it eventually forced Melissa and Joshua to leave McCleary entirely, moving to a nearby town to escape what it become unbearable. Years later, Melissa would reflect on what that cost them. I just kind of died inside. It was as if I was in a coma, just numb. It destroyed us, especially Joshua. And he didn't just lose his sister, he lost the mom he knew. That is just so sad hard.

8:19 I mean, it's got to be so so hard. I mean, the heartbreak of having a missing child and then trying to figure out how you function as a mom to your remaining child. I don't know how you do that, I really don't. I'm sure they both have like the survivor's guilt going on, because he'd gotten an argument with her and left early or whatever had happened. And so they were actually both supposed to be going to this friend's house and hanging out at the pool that day, but they got in a fight as they were leaving the house, and so Josh turned back. Oh so he never even went to the friend's house. He basically just turned back and was like, fuck it, I'm going to stay home.

9:04 You know, maybe in. Slightly less colorful language, but forget it. I'm going home. Forget you, forget you. In May twenty ten, the Sheriff's Office released surveillance footage from a Shell gas station showing a white truck and a man who entered the store on the night of Lindsay's disappearance. The man had previously told investigators he was not in McCleary that evening. The footage contradicted that account. Investigators identified and interviewed him, as well as two sisters from the McCleary area who were briefly seen speaking with him in the video, but no arrests or charges have ever resulted from those interviews. None of those people are super clearly identified in the source material that I was looking at. That's always interesting because and I'm about to get into it, but there are quite a lot of very specifically named people related to the case that I will talk about. And it's like, so, why are we naming some people and not others? It's kind of interesting to me. Huh, yeah, I don't know. I think in a lot of cases it's just people are able to determine the names. It's not necessarily that, like the police have released specific names. But that's always interesting to me.

10:28 In a small town like this, I could see where it's like people are like, uh, yeah, no, we know who that was because we all saw him there. Yeah, so we know exactly who you're talking about. Like anyway, over the years, more than forty individuals drew the attention of investigators, more than twenty search warrants were executed, and nearly forty polygraph tests were administered. I feel like that's a lot. Seems like a lot, right, I don't know the standard, but ye, for a small town. I guess it's seems like a lot. Seems like a lot. Yeah, like half the town is being used a murder. Basically, and still no arrest. Of those forty individuals. A few surfaced repeatedly, individuals whose connection to that night or to McCleary itself kept investigators coming back. None have been charged, and each maintains their innocence, and what follows is simply what the public record shows. Private investigator Rose Winquist has worked with Lindsay's case for nearly a decade. Her conclusion is pointed, I think this person was and still is a local. The person either knew Lindsay or was familiar with her in some way. This person was sort of profiling her. She believes the perpetrator was likely a male in his twenties at the time, someone who had been

12:00 watching Lindsay, who knew her habits, and who coaxed her into a vehicle. It's interesting to me that you would do that in like your small town that you live in. Right, You're like, there's only so many people that they can point to. You're not worried that just statistically your name might come up. Everybody knows everybody. And I feel like everybody's watching always. Huh. Yeah, not that you shouldn't like hurt people anywhere. But well, right, but it just seems like particularly unwise. First, there was an unnamed forty seven year old man who had provided quote inconsistent statements to investigators, just pretty much the number one way of getting on their radar. His home was searched in October two thousand and nine, just months after Lindsay disappeared, but didn't result in an arrest or us knowing exactly who he was.

13:07 Damn it. Yeah, yeah, we loss he's innocent. Yeah, I mean, and maybe they figured that whatever connection they initially thought existed was so tenuous that like it wasn't wise to publicly out this person, because you know how that can go. I mean, especially in a small town. It's like that person can just become completely ostracized, and it's like the police like talked to them once and decided they weren't even a good potential suspect. And now it's like you're ruining their life for nothing. Yeah, So I don't know, it's so hard, I know. Next there was Tim Hartman, a local jeweler and volunteer firefighter. In twenty eleven investigators searched his home, but it was until February twenty twelve that the results of the search were publicly released, and though Hartman was listed as a person of interest, he was also never arrested or charged. Hartman's shop, Hartman's Jewelry and Repair, on Fourth Street, is on the route that Lindsay would have taken to get back home the night she disappeared. He initially told police he was not in McCleary at the time, but surveillance video placed him at a convenience store at nine to nineteen pm, four minutes after Lindsay was last seen.

14:38 Hmm, why would you say you're not there if you're there. It's possible that like the timeline for him just was a little bit like I yeah, because actually so he'd claimed he'd been at a class in Belfair that ended at nine pm, but the FBI determined that the class actually ended at eight fifteen. So you're talking about like a difference of like forty five minutes. Maybe this maybe the class was scheduled to go until nine and it ended early, and like, I don't know, it does kind of obviously it raises suspicion because that's I mean, it puts him literally right there, smacked up.

15:23 You know. Yeah, it's just weird. It is. It's weird. It may mean nothing, you know, could be correlation, not causation. But the October twenty eleven search of Hartman's home, car, and shop produced a notable list of seized items, amongst them ropes and straps, numerous computers and storage devices, a pink sheet with unknown stains, a brown Duffel bag containing what was described as assumed human hair, who handwritten notes referencing the missing child wait what uh huh? And from the passenger side of his car what the search warrant described only as an apparent fingernail. Whether that item was ever forensically identified and what those results showed has never been made public, though again Tim Hartman.

16:26 Not ever charged so far. Okay, writing notes about her, that's I don't know. I don't know, and I'm not even. Sure that really like the details or like the context of those notes has been publicly released. I don't care what it says, any note about a child who's gone missing. That's why are you noted? Yeah? It does. It does feel a little like I have questions. I have some follow up questions and actually that's okay. You'll you'll probably be like, let's put a pin in that cuz well, yike's this next section. In twenty seventeen, three elderly brothers, Charles Thomas and Edwin Emery were arrested at their Seattle home on child's sex abuse charges after a female family member discovered evidence of decades long abuse and reported it. When investigators searched the home, they found it littered with disturbing material, and among it a copy of Lindsay's missing flyer EW alongside dozens of photos and articles about other missing children. The brothers also owned a property in Shelton, just seventeen miles from McCleary. Investigators searched it with cadaver dogs and assistants from the Department of Homeland Security.

17:56 No evidence linking the Emery brothers to Lindsay's disappearance was found at either location that we know of, and they have never been charged in connection with her case. Dude, What's what's all these fucking weirdos around town? I still don't like the note taker. Nope, I don't like the note one, but I really disliked the second one because not only did they have Lindsay's like Missing Persons Flyer, they had articles and photos of. Other missing children. That's ikey, it's real ikey, especially considering what they were arrested for. Either those are kind of like a trophy item because they had something.

18:36 To do with those cases, or they are. Using them for other shall we say personal use you? I mean, I'd rather it be that, even though that's gross. It's real gross, and I hate that. I do, maybe hate it slightly less. Than it's like the nastiest. Would you rather get it? I'm so bad. Twenty twenty one, Paul Beeker was arrested in connection with a two thousand and three kidnapping and rape of a seventeen year old girl in the same town. The victim had been abducted from her own driveway bound and driven to a remote location where she was sexually assaulted.

19:20 The case had gone cold for nearly two decades before forensic genetic genealogy identified. Baker as the suspect haha. Confirmed by DNA from a coffee cup he discarded at Point Defiance Park in Tacoma. Hahas we have very recently talked about a match so precise it was statistically one in thirty five quadrillion. That's a lot. It's a lot. So I feel like they were pretty certain. Yeah, I would hope, so, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

20:03 He was arrested in twenty twenty one, convicted in June the following year, and sentenced to thirty years in prison shortly thereafter. Given that Beaker had lived in McCleary, in June two thousand and nine, investigators examined whether he had any connection to Lindsay's case. The answer, at least publicly was no. Quote. At this point, investigators have not discovered any evidence linking Baker to the Lindsay bomb investigation. Beeker passed a polygraph in reference to questions involving Lindsay Bomb. The Gray's Harbor Sheriff's Office confirmed for whatever that's worth, and polygraphs, as we know, are worth of very debatable. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I guess it just depends on if you believe in science or Based on that statement, Beeker has likely moved well down the list of investigative priorities, though the case remains open and no one has been formally cleared, which I feel like is very pointed.

21:13 I don't like that. Yeah, I mean it's been found. No one's been cleared. Yeah, They're like, we're not really eliminating any possibilities at this point, we're just not charging anyone. In the fall of twenty seventeen, hunters in a remote, rugged area near Ellensburg stumbled upon part of a human school. Oh, they didn't find Mel's hole. I would rather them find Mel's hole than a school. I know. Investigators were led to the location and collected it, but without an obvious crime connected to its discovery. It's sat in a queue waiting for DNA analysis from months.

22:01 Oh shit, I guess I didn't really think about that. Yeah, Like, how long it would take to actually identify it remains damn. Unless they have, you know, a shortlist. For nine years, Lindsay's case had remained officially classified as a missing person investigation. On May tenth, twenty eighteen, that changed. The DNA results came back. The skull fractured belonged to Lindsay Baum. Her death was officially classified as a homicide. After nine years, investigators finally knew what Melissa had known from the very first night. That Lindsay had not wandered off. She had been taken and she had been murdered. Sheriff Scott broke the news first to Melissa, then he stood before the community at a press conference in mc cleary. I am here today to share with you that we brought Lindsey home, he said, Sadly, she was not recovered as we and her family had hoped and prayed these past nine years.

23:14 And the room gasped. There's something about a room like sitting in for this, you know, at a press conference nearly a decade after this child has gone missing. The fact that they gasped, yeah, because I think typically most of us assume after that long that person is gone. Yeah, they say that, Yeah, And even if they were like in a way still expecting that. I feel like it just says a lot that the people that were present were like still, whether they were shocked or so upset, whatever it was that was driving that reaction.

23:58 Like the gasp to me is. Just I don't know, It's kind of chilling in its own way, if that makes sense. Yeah. The location where she. Was found sits in the Manustache area, about twenty miles west of Ellensburg, steep forested terrain with large cliffs and deep Ravines, roughly one hundred and sixty eight miles and a three hour drive from McCleary. Investigators noted that a local perpetrator would be less likely to travel that far, suggesting someone with knowledge of or connections too Eastern Washington.

24:41 As Sheriff Scott put it, the biggest clue now is the Eastern Washington connection. Trying to find some connection in the information we've gathered over the last ten years that is not where you accidentally end up. Someone knew that that area that's far enough away. That part is really chilling. In twenty twenty three, a multi agency search involving the FBI, the AG's HITS investigators, and over one hundred and sixty volunteers swept a ten agger area in Mason County based on an early tip. Up to twenty five items were recovered as possible evidence, but again, no suspect has ever been charged, but the case remains open with the Gray's Harbor County Sheriff's office and with the FBI. So I mean they have literally been still keeping this alive and like things are happening if they are gathering tips or any new information. Over sixteen years have passed since a ten year old girl walked four blocks through quiet logging town and never came home. Sixteen plus years of tips that went nowhere, long before hunters stumbled across the fractured

26:12 skull of Lindsay Bomb in the mountains, the case was characterized by frustration, as search warrants and polygraphs ultimately became dead ends. Now her mother eats, sleeps, drives to work, and lives her everyday life with her daughter's ashes around her neck, because that's where Lindsay is now, independent on her mother's chest. I want to know where the rest of my daughter is Priority number one. All I got back of her was a piece of her skull, and this is it right here. Jeez, this is my daughter.

27:01 Melissa Baum has said more than once that she believes whoever did this did not stop with Lindsey. And that's not speculation for the sake of drama. It is the considered opinion of a mother who has spent over sixteen years paying attention, and of the private investigator who worked alongside her for nearly a decade. Somewhere someone knows something. Maybe they were in McCleary that night, Maybe they knew who the man was. And I say a man, because let's be honest, it is almost certainly a man, but I'm open to the possibility of it being.

27:48 Some other individual. Maybe they have always known and the weight of it has just become something they carry the way Melissa carries Lindsay. If that is you, or if you know someone it might be called, the tip line will include that and other resources in the show notes. And if you need more motivation than the fact that this is heart wrenching to her family and the community where she lived and probably countless other people, there is also a forty thousand dollars reward for information leading to an arrest and conviction.

28:41 Lindsay Joe Baum was born July seventh, nineteen ninety eight. She would have turned twenty seven this year. Wow. She wanted to be a writer and a veterinarian. She loved animals and Harry Potter, and she hated the dark same and she was trying to get home before the sun went down when someone took all of that from her. Her middle name is Joe. That's my middle name. I know. I was like god like, her birthday is so close to yours, and.

29:27 She's like. Obviously like the same age as I would be turning this year, ten years younger than me. Yeah, so it is, Caitlin. Yeah, I was just thinking about how I do like the dark, but I don't like to be out in the dark walking by myself because I'm a woman, you know. So there is that like a little bit of even though I love the dark, I don't want to be out on the streets alone in the dark. And the fact that like even in a town that's like that small and you know, supposedly that's safe, that a ten year.

30:10 Old girl. Her experience in the world is that she is afraid to walk alone. Like she's too young to to have like the real understanding and like experience. She shouldn't have fear that's based in reality. To back up, like she should just be afraid of the dark because of like the imaginary boogeyman, not because there's a real boogeyman. It's crazy that she like had the intuition that something was going to happen to her too. It's like if you've been seeing a car following you, like speaking of the boogeyman. Melissa said many times that she just wants people to remember who her daughter was, a real person, someone who existed, and someone who deserves to rest in peace. I feel like, I guess the mother of a missing and murdered child, the fact that that is like a sentiment that you even have to voice.

31:25 Yeah, it's horrifying. On the one hand, right, And then on the other it's like in some of these cases where they're just missing and they're gone forever without like any sort of trace, it does give this like sort of Boogeyman effect that makes it feel not really real to the rest of us sometimes, And I feel like it's important to remember that she was a real person. Whoever did this to her was a real person. They were real fucking monster, but they were a real person. It's so hard to think.

32:06 About because this is this is one kid, and we know that there are hundreds, like in the state of Washington alone, if not thousands, there are tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people that go missing in this country every year, yeah, or over time, maybe not hundreds of thousands every year, but the accumulation, I mean, did. It It is sad like the people don't theoretically aren't caught or in jail. I mean it would be we don't know who it is. Yeah, maybe they got him for something else, Yeah, tax evasion, because you know, those are the crimes they really care about.

32:53 So sad I keep thinking about her lock it or used to lock it, or it's like a pendant like people some people choose to keep like a portion of their loved ones ashes, yeah, in something like that. But the fact that like that's all you have, it's not just like a portion of what you have that's it. Yeah, well that's depressing. Yeah, I know, I mean thinking about that. I mean we've obviously just you know, been through this, and like I have an earn like the idea that you would you would have to like pick and choose what to do with this last piece of this person that you love, this tiny human that you made.

33:47 Oh my god. And I think about this all. The time, and I'm like, I don't I don't really want to have children of my own. And I think sometimes when I when I talk about these cases, it kind of informed. There's that decision in a way, like definitely not own the things that I would do, Oh my god, Yeah, the crimes that I would perpetrate against the rest of humanity for doing this to my child, right, but she also is an imaginary child, right, this is not a person that exists. And I just, I mean the families and the parents specifically that this happens too.

34:28 I just. And it's it's so hard to say that any circumstance is worse than another. But like you have no answers, and not that you know, sometimes the answers are horrific, right, but not knowing, I don't know. I don't know how people continue to like wake up in the morning and get. Out of bed. I really don't neither. I was thinking about that, like they just have to. Yeah, especially not that not to say that if you don't have other family or children that you you know, don't have to as well. But even just like even more you have another child, you still have to.

35:10 Take care of. And for some people, I think that has to be like sort of the thing that's like your you're guiding light. It's like the thing that keeps you going. And like that makes sense. We have to do some taro before I lose my mind, Okay, and then and then I'm gonna go make us tacos. That sounds good. I need I need some taco love that now I'm sad. I'd love to be able to say that this case has ruined my appetite, but since I you know, I've eaten breakfast and then a lot of chips and salsa, I'm not gonna lie. I I am actually still hungry.

35:54 Why yeah, and whine? What's going on? Ay? We're almost done. This is not gonna be very happy about that. Do you want to draw the card or do you want to hold the puppy? Try to hold the puppy? Just got a forceful lift up my neck. Oh yeah, help me pick a card and then I'll get her. Yeah. Do you run your fingers now? Oh? Oh, it's a very pretty card. It's from our PNW dack. It is a very colorful butterfly. And I'm really curious to see what kind of plant this is. We drew it in the reverse. It's a judgment card.

36:43 Oh that's interesting, Like was no official judgment yet? Yeah, it feels appropriate that it's in the reverse, but I don't know, we'll see. It's interesting that it's like a black butterfly. I don't know why it is. It looks like a monarch kind of Yeah, I mean it's not, but it looks similar kind of you know, like the colors a lot of black on it, but maybe because it's like a Fromunda. It looks like a Fromunda, it kind of does. Yeah, yeah, that is its belly. Oh, I'm gonna do that. That makes sense. I'll look it up in the Little Book. Judgment is Codduma twenty in the major Oconna.

37:25 No as Charlotte tries to eat the microphone. Oh, we have gotten this before. It's a tailor's checker spot butterfly. I don't remember seeing that card, so we must have drawn the card from maybe a different deck. Maybe I don't know. I'm interested in the interesting, I. Am similarities are so similar. I am interested to see the keywords because I might add to them if they don't, if they're not exactly what is here? Okay? Our keywords are awakening, self realization, choices, assessment, and rebirth.

38:10 Okay, it's interesting because this one has added reflection, purpose, evaluation, accountability, and consequence. Interesting the ones that I thought was very interesting, very interesting. The judgment card often looks negative, and really, who among us likes to be judged? In the writer Wait Smith deck, a winged figure whom some interpret as the angel Gabriel emerges from a cloud and blows a trumpet beneath him. Several nude people look up, apparently from their coffins, having heard the trumpets blast. They outstretch their arms. Their expressions reveal awe tinged with fear. This contains overtones of Christianity's Day of Judgment, when God judges all souls and hands out rewards or punishments. In a broader sense, however, judgment represents a time of awakening and self realization, when you must make adjustments to reflect who you truly are.

39:21 And there was a lot of judgment. I'm sure about the family, about the Yeah, the named and unnamed suspects. Yeah. Absolutely. Reverse judgment suggests you can't make a decision or won't make the changes necessary so you can move ahead. Perhaps you're confused about how to proceed, or you don't want to face up to the harm you've done, stuff you don't like about yourself, demons you fear. You don't want to look in the mirror and see who you really are, and this can mean ignoring the good things about yourself as as well as the unsavory ones. In some cases, judgment reversed means you're too hard on yourself and others and need to become more tolerant or you know, maybe don't murder people. Yeah, I mean that's definitely a good start.

40:17 In a reading about money, you may be stuck, afraid, or unwilling to make a decision about your finances, especially if you feel a change will affect your security. This can also mean you're displeased about a legal decision or other money issue. It's pleased about a legal Yeah, what was it? Legal decision? Yes? Thank you? Yeah, I kept trying to say position, or yeah. Yeah, it's not right, I mean close close. If the reading is about your job, judgment reverse suggests your current work situation no longer meets your needs, but you're reluctant to make a change because you're not clear what the future holds. This card can also mean a bad decision your own or someone else's has adversely affected you.

41:09 Yeah, someone made a very very very very very terrible decision. Sure did It was not Lindsay or Melissa Yeah, or the brother or even Joshua. Yeah. Or you may be judging yourself and others too harshly. In a reading about love, you may feel a partner is too critical of you, or you may be too critical of him or her. This card can also point to a choice you made and regret, or a decision you need to make but are resisting. And there is an extra excerpt. Okay, my advice to you is that it is never too late to fess up to what you are ashamed of having done. Holy shit, hold your own judgment day and clear the slate.

41:57 Dude. Yeah wow wow, like nuff said. That's from Jane Stone, Confessions of a Tarot Reader. It's never too late to own a Yeah, there. Is literally no statute of limitations. All right, I'm gonna read from the little book and see what it's got while this little munchkin goes crazy. They call it metamorphosis, but they should call it birth. The butterfly emerging from the chrystalis, Yes, I said it right. The butterfly emerging from the crystalis is not the caterpillar that wrapped itself in silk. The caterpillar is dead, broken down, digested ooh. Gradually, its liquefied remains form new structures, eyes, legs, antennae, and paper thin wings. Around and compact body is reconstituted and replaced by a body that stretches outward in delicate formations.

43:03 The butterfly carries, not the caterpillars memories or idiosyncrasies. Those neural pathways were destroyed. This is a new animal escaping the chrysalis, unaware of how it got there, leaving the only world it has ever known, taking flight as it begins its life. That is kind of sad because it's like she didn't really get to fully begin her life. You know, no, I should say not. She was not even eleven years old, eleven days until her eleventh birthday, just about to enter middle school. It's kind of eerie because it's like you're this little caterpillar on Earth and you pass away and then like the the wings of the butterfly make me think of an angel, and that's like what her Oh that's her life, yes, sheet this crazy dog, some entertainment and yeah.

43:58 She's been trying so hard to chew the foam on my microphone. She's like, I don't like murder. Can we not talk about that. I'm just a baby, You're just a baby. Okay, we have to take a back stip a. Bye, have a creepy ast day. We'll see you next Thursday. Good Bye, Charlotte. Charlotte says if you were a murderer, you need to pass up right right me ow. Not cool, bro, not cool, not cool dude,