Innocence & Injustice - The Steve Titus Story

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Probably not exactly the birthday plans that either of them had envisioned, but they understood

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that a serious crime had occurred, and they wanted to help if they could.

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Steve was polite and cooperative throughout the entirety of these interactions,

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even smiling in the mug shot taken of him at the time.

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"It's probably what I would do to frame it."

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"It's funny you should say that because,

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because of the celebratory nature of their evening up to that point,

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the pair even asked if a photo of the two of them could be taken."

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"Hi, Kelsey." "Hi, Caitlin." "Hi, creepy people."

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"Hello, hello." "Hello, what?"

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"I'm pretty sure he did something really weird with my eye because

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some lashes are falling into it." "Oh."

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"So if I was like that, it's fine, don't mind me." "That's why."

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"I'm used to being in a podcast and not on a video."

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"It's true. Yeah, it's a little bit of an adjustment, and I have a lot more lash going on right now.

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I'm very blonde. It's a real adjustment. If you'll say I super glued my eyelids together."

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"It kind of looks like it." "Does it?" "Oh no."

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"I'm kidding. She looks so pretty." "I mean, I look okay, but I'm all done up for our engagement show

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later. So." "Yeah, and I really brought it down on my side just to make her look even better."

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"Oh my god." "Yeah, because, um, Cassie and I are engagement show." No.

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"I won't be in these photos. Just this camera here right now."

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"All right, fine. I was going to invite you, but whatever."

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"If you're new to our creepy corner of the world, this is PNW Hunts and Homicides,

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where we chat about true crime, paranormal, and all things creepy in the Pacific Northwest,

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and also occasionally mango sparkling wine." "In our show."

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The show that we're doing right now and presenting for you, we do a tarot reading at the end of every

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episode for a little deeper insight into what we're talking about for the day. "Yeah, it's true.

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We'll do it again today." "Yeah, we do it every time." "Yeah, mostly." "Listen, there's always an

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exception to the rule." "Yeah, usually for like bonuses, which we have on our Patreon."

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"Sometimes we do bonusy things." "Oh man, we do bonus episodes. What else do we do, Caitlin?"

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"We're working on getting them videos for every episode. Add free." "Add free they already have."

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"Yes, just to be clear." "Oh my goodness, do we have any businessy business to get to, do you think?"

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"I'm an announcement. It's hot today." "Yeah, it's really hot." "And it was hot yesterday,

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and it went to the beach, and it was a perfect beach day at Oregon." "It was like one of those rare,

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very rare warm beach days. It was great." "Yeah, that sounds so lovely." "Hey, no, come to Oregon, come to the

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coast." "Or don't, because there's already too many people here, but you know, whatever, do you?"

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"Sorry, I made it like really enticing, I didn't mean to. I thought we wanted our creepy friends to

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come hang out." "We do what?" "Damn it." "All right." "If you live at the coast, I would not be opposed to

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inviting me to a house party." "Oh, bonfire." "Yeah, type thing." "Yeah." "Are you ready?" "Yeah, I'm ready."

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"Okay." "Freak my heart." "She's not ready, but here we go." On October 12th of 1980, at 7.22 PM,

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a 911 call was placed from a secluded road south of SeaTac, the Seattle airport.

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But SeaTac, if you're nasty. "Yeah, yeah, yeah." "We are." "Yeah, of course." "Of course."

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Reporting to the dispatcher that a young girl had just been raped, she said that her attacker

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had instructed her to stand in front of his vehicle until he drove away following the assault.

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She was terrified that he would shoot her because he'd made no attempt to obscure his face or

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hide his identity. "Oh, wow. Bulzy." "Pretty Bulzy." "But yeah, I could see how she would come to that

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conclusion that's fucking terrifying." "He's like, just walk away from the car. Nothing else bad will

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happen." "Wing-wing, no, Jenudge, Saint-O' War." "When she was able to confirm he left the immediate

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area, she ran to a hillside home. The humble home was situated on her right-hand side just a very

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short walk away, which was lucky considering Sunset was over an hour prior to her making that short

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trek. So, it's guard-outside." "Yeah." "It belonged to Paul Liston. He was a retired carpenter who was the

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last holdout in the area. Everyone else had sold the property to the airport." "Oh, it was going to be

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part of an airport expansion at some point." "Okay." So, it was his call that came in to 911

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dispatch at 722 that evening. The victim's description of her attacker addressed kind of the essential,

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all of the essentials related to his physical features and appearance, but it wasn't going to give

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the investigators a lot to go on on that alone. She had been attacked by a white male aged approximately

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25 to 30, standing about six-foot tall, with a medium build, as well as a beard and shoulder length

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light-brown hair. At the time of the attack, he was wearing a three-piece cream-colored suit." "What?"

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"Yeah." "Weird." "That is really weird." "Row weird." "Do you just come from like a wedding or something?"

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"What?" "Yeah." "Yeah." "It's a weird choice." "Very noticeable too." "Uh-huh." "If there's going to be a lot of

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weird color palette choices, and that's when you need to remember, this was the 1980s." "Okay."

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When later questioned, the port police's number one suspect informed them that he didn't even own a suit.

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Let alone a cream-colored one. "Right." "I don't even have one of those." "Yeah." "Who'd have one of those?"

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"Oh, well, okay. It's a very impractical wardrobe choice. I would argue." "Yeah." "But I don't know,

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maybe other people can, you know, function in light-colored clothing. I, for one, would have to swear

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off like all forms of sauce." "Yeah." "No condiments for this gal." "I don't know how people are doing that."

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"No condiments for you tonight." "Um." "You're wearing very light-colored clothing." "Oh no." "Oh no."

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"Okay, well, good thing we had some fancy sauce before we decided to record." "She's cut off from the

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fancy sauce." "So cool." "Consequences." "The man was driving a blue car with a blue interior,

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which frankly sounds pretty hideous." "Wow. He's very, what is that called, like, monochromatic?" "Yeah."

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"Like, keeping in the same color palette just different shades." "I didn't even really pick up on

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that, but you're so right." "But it was very of the time." "The 80s, am I right?" "What up with YouTube?"

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Jerry Seinfeld had like, "Oh, right, right, right, right, yeah." "Yeah."

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She was also able to describe various items that she had noticed inside his car during the attack.

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But perhaps most importantly, she said that he had a temporary license plate with digits six and seven

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repeating in some form. So she was pretty sure it was like a six, six, seven, or maybe a seven, seven, six.

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"Okay." "If it were me, that's exactly how I would bust one of these fuckers. I would rainman the

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shit out of them. Okay, because numbers that are useless, oh, I will remember them until I die."

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"Hopefully you don't have to do that ever." "Yeah, yeah, no, I'm just saying like, when I'm driving

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around in my car, like I'm looking at license plates and I'm just playing all kinds of fun math

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games with the numbers on people's plates." "We're no." "Yeah." "Now, let me say it out loud,

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that does seem pretty weird." "Well, weird." "Okay, that's okay, we accept you for who you are."

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"Okay, great, because that's just kind of the type of neuro-spicy bullshit that my brain picks up on."

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You know, especially when it's left to its own devices, at length. And I would have to imagine

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probably most especially when it's attempting to disassociate or going into essentially self-protection

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mode. So, that's super exciting though, right? Because that's got to be something, like a piece of

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hard, trackable data that feels evidently, right? Kind of, maybe a little? Yeah. I'm not sure how far

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you would get though. That doesn't... Yeah, exactly. It's a little bit like, you know, maybe we'll get lucky.

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Maybe all of the blue sedans with blue interior are registered to plates that start with eights.

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Who knows? Yeah. As investigators work the case, they began developing the rough outlines of their theory.

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They felt that it seemed pretty likely that the assailant lived in the area nearby.

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So, they began searching the area around Pacific Highway Sound. As luck would have it. A light blue

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1981 Chevy Chevette was located at 120 AM. No one was in it at the time it was initially spotted,

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so officers waited for the driver to return to the vehicle. They figured it was worth sitting on

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the car for 20 or 30 minutes if that's what it took. I mean, how often is law enforcement going to get

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handed a potential lead on a silver platter like this? Yeah. Maybe ruminating in the restaurant

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parking lot set things off on the wrong foot though. They were immediately suspicious of the man

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leaving the restaurant with a young attractive woman alongside him. Was she his next victim?

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I don't know. I hope not. They had very little doubt that they had found their man.

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Because, you know, it's a blue car. So, well, did they...

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I'm not going to ask any more questions. I'm just going to let you go. You won't be happy with the answers.

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Yeah. Well, did they check though? I mean, they are... This is literally less than six hours after the

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car. I'm essentially... So, guys, I don't think you've solved it. I could be wrong, but I rarely am.

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Yeah, it seems a little bit like... He's your suspect, right? Not like your...

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Like he's not even a suspect at this point. Because they have no idea who that car belongs to.

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He's a person of interest. Yeah. At best. A suspected suspect. Yes, exactly. Yeah. There's layers.

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It's like a Bloomin onion at the outback, you know? However, while this was a white man with a

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similar hairstyle and facial hair, again, I'd like to say it was the '80s, he wasn't exactly a perfect

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match in their estimation. Because he was only about 5'8", and the victim believed her attacker

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had been roughly six feet tall. Yeah, it's like a little bit taller than 5'8".

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Us. Well, come lunches, four inches. Yeah. The witness could have been mistaken about his height.

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Sometimes one detail of a victim's statement might be slightly off, especially after such a traumatic

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experience. But they weren't going to let this probably super guilty dude drive off into the

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sunset with another would-be victim. They wouldn't let that happen. No. So they sort of made up or

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maybe exaggerated just a little bit about a minor traffic infraction as the man made his way down

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the road so that they could pull the pair over. Is that legal? I mean, it's only illegal if you could

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cut. Okay. And they are police officers, so they probably won't. Probably not at first.

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The 31-year-old man, Steve Titus, told officers that he and his fiance Mona were returning home to

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Kent. He had picked her up from Denny's at 930 to celebrate her 21st birthday with a drink.

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Yeah, it sounds sweet. I don't know if it's true, but yeah.

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Earlier that day, in the afternoon, he had attended a family gathering until he returned home at around

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630. From then on, he'd hung out with a friend watching a movie until he left to pick up Mona.

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Titus assured the officers that his friend that he'd been with prior to picking up Mona could vouch

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for his whereabouts. Okay, Alibi, City. All right. In fact, right around the time his friend showed up

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at the apartment, he'd placed a call to Mona at 7pm on the dot. Okay.

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Steve Titus was a super easygoing dude. So he allowed authorities to search his vehicle,

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while both he and Mona were questioned individually. He was informed that he matched the description

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of the attacker provided by the victim. Steve Titus agreed to answer questions at the police station.

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Even after being told they were investigating a rape allegation involving an attacker

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that was a preliminary match to his physical description. Yikes. Yeah. Without a lawyer, did he get a lawyer?

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Well, I mean, if you're not guilty, why would you need a lawyer? Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Why would you?

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I wonder. Oh, no. Hmm. Let's see how it plays out.

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Probably not exactly the birthday plans that either of them had envisioned, but

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they understood that a serious crime had occurred and they wanted to help if they could.

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Gosh, especially its Mona's birthday, right? Like, she didn't have anything to do with this at all.

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Exactly. Steve was polite and cooperative throughout the entirety of these interactions,

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even smiling in the mug shot taken of him at the time. Oh, because I was probably like, yeah,

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this is like, I'll probably never get to do this again because I'm like such a good person.

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Exactly. Probably what I would do to frame it. It's funny you should say that because,

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because of the celebratory nature of their evening up to that point, the pair even asked if a photo

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of the two of them could be taken. They figured, won't this be an interesting story to tell at a

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cocktail party or to our kids someday? Yeah. Oh, remember that birthday of yours that we spent,

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you know, a good chunk of the night down at the police station. We just wanted to really try to help

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the police solve this crime. Yeah, it's a crazy story. Yeah, you need proof. Yeah, because man,

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if you told anybody about what had happened up to this point, they'd be like, no way. Yeah,

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Pixar didn't happen. Yeah, Pixar didn't happen. Mug shots or didn't happen. Yeah.

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Because of course, they both knew Steve had zero involvement in the crime.

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So what was the harm in cooperating with the police? They were just doing their jobs.

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They were totally doing their job.

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Totally doing their job the way they're supposed to and not anything else.

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Feel like you're lying. Sometimes I lie, but it's always on accident. Or to create

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suspense. Or it's always on accident or it's on purpose. Like I said, or to create suspense.

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Potato potato. Either way, she's always lying. Yikes. Anywho. Just kidding, I trust her.

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Not long after their visit to the police station, a photo montage was shown to the teenage victim.

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In fact, it was just the day of following the attack. And it was conducted in her mother's to come

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home. She reviewed carefully for some moments and then pointed to Titus, stating that it had to be him.

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He was the closest one. What do you make of that? Not good. No, no, not good. Immediately based on what she says.

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You know, red flags. Yeah. Yeah, if these are the only options, that's the guy because he has a beard.

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Yeah. Yeah. I'd also like to point out that based on the way this is worded, it sounds like she

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believes that the perpetrator is most assuredly included amongst the photos. And it's up to her

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to determine which of the men it was, rather than simply reviewing to identify someone.

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Whether the attacker was amongst the men's photographs shown to her.

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It's just like a huge set up. It feels like. Yeah. I just don't get worse. And it's like,

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it's not her fault. It's not her job to know like what the right thing to do in the situation. Exactly.

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That's what the trained professionals are for. Or in this case, perhaps untrained monkeys.

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But poor Celia, that was her name, Celia. Of course, as a victim of sexual assault,

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particularly as a minor, initially her name was kept private. But later, she would decide that she

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wanted to share her story with the public. Wow. Without an attorney present, Steve Titus was

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interviewed by law enforcement again. He provided an additional statement regarding his whereabouts

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at the time of the assault. This session was not recorded. Why not? It's a really good question.

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Isn't that like evidence? Usually a thing that you're supposed to.

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Sounds like a good idea to me.

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That night, Steve Titus had been driving a company vehicle. He worked for Iverse,

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Seafood as District Manager, overseeing roughly 100 other employees of the company

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between seven area locations. Well, he did. It didn't take long for his life to be turned

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completely upside down by this case. He was arrested at the company's office on October 14th

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by Port Police just days after the crime. Normally, I would say alleged sexual assault,

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but it's without question that Celia was attacked. However, the question remained

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regardless of how decided law enforcement seemed. Was Steve Titus the guilty party?

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Following his arrest, Steve was able to post his bail of $2,500 after spending the night in jail.

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That's not a lot. Well, it was 1980. I mean, a little bit more, but still, I guess it wasn't murder.

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I guess I usually hear those things associated with murder. It's a lot more.

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It does tend to be a pretty significant sum.

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Well, this is something you'll be interested in. You asked about this, actually. Is it about ghosts?

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No. His next step was hiring an attorney who luckily believed his pleas of innocence.

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I would hope so. It's a good word. Well, okay. Defends attorneys don't always believe that their

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client is innocent. They are just, you know, like anybody else entitled to a good defense.

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Right. Now, despite the fact that it would not be admissible in court, the prosecution was willing

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to strike a deal. That if Steve passed a polygraph, the charges against him would be dropped.

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Oh, boy. Okay. Not admissible in court, but we'll go ahead and drop the charges if you pass.

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That literally makes no sense, like no sense. It was the '80s wild times. Yeah.

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The man conducting the examination was dui Gillespie. He was a former Seattle police

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polygrapher. Now, obviously, Steve is thinking, yeah, I'll do it because he's like, you'll just drop

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the charges. It's like a medicine. And of course, it'll be like negative, right? Or pass. I don't know

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what the, yeah. Of course. Of course, I'm going to get off scot free because I didn't do this.

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All accounts indicated that dui Gillespie, he's the one administering the polygraph that he's a very

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kind and ethical man. He was also a very well-respected expert in the particular field.

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Okay. Like being an expert in bullshit doesn't... Yeah. Well, he actually, I will say this, he has

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some things to say that I think the prosecution probably was like, you don't, you don't, you don't

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got to say that. He understood the limitations of the polygraph. Okay. But, you know, it's an imperfect,

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I want to say science because that's the phrase, but it's, I mean, my god, it's

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pseudo-science is that what it's called? I mean, almost. Yeah, I mean, there's real science involved,

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but like... There's little little duhickeys that go back and forth. You know, you know, the duhickeys.

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The duhickeys. Yeah. Is that how they still do it or was that like a really old school type of thing?

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You know, I don't know. I would assume. Yeah. And they're just not in popular usage. Yeah.

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Not, I mean, certainly not with the frequency that they once were. So I can't imagine like,

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you're not going to be upgrading your polygraph machinery at this point. I was thinking, like, maybe

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now it's like on a computer and they like look you up, but it's like on a computer screen, you know,

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not just like... And it could be. I think I have seen tests where it's like, oh, this doesn't look like,

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you know, we time-traveled back to 1930. Yeah. But yeah, I don't know. If anyone's taken a

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polygraph recently, email us and let us know what it was like. Yeah, right after you email your lawyer.

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Because who the hell let you do that? I mean, some people just have to take them like in the military.

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Which is just... Okay, we can't go down this road. We can't go down this road. I'm just going to get

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upset and then I'm going to start losing eyelashes and I can't with this. No. But I have no strong

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feelings on the topic as per usual. All right. Both the prosecution and defense agreed to him

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administering the polygraph exam to Steve. Because that's the deal they struck. And like I said, he's known

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for being like fair, ethical, he's a good dude. And he's real good at this. Unfortunately, when Steve

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failed the polygraph test, because turns out being real anxious might impact the result.

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There was only one other option offered in lieu of prison time, admit guilt, and submit to a

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treatment program at a state hospital for sexual psychopaths. Oh my god, the real guy is still out there.

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Wait, no, Cassie, they've got him. No, they don't. Yeah. You've been Steve didn't do it. It's not great.

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Steve is such like a nice guy name. I feel like maybe that maybe I'm biased because like I have an

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uncle named Steve. Yeah. My mom's wife and his name is Steve. Steve. He's probably not listening,

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but that's okay. Yeah. My mom will be like, Steve, I play this for you real quick.

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Do you know what I realized? What? The like, I think it was the Beetlejuice episode. I mentioned my

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mom like three different times that I'm constantly talking about my mom. Yeah. Well, is that

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weird? She's adorable and lovely. She's funny and just, yeah, I'm not seeing the problem, I guess,

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is what I'm getting at. I love my mom. Sorry. I just love my mom. I'm like, again, still not seeing

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the problem. I'm obsessed. Have you seen the show Smothered? That's not like it's reverse mother.

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She's like, God, I wish I could get away from my mom. Of course, being the honest and exuberant young man

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that he was completely assured of his innocence. Steve declined and so the case went to trial.

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That's the place where we're supposed to have a very well-defined set of rules to help a jury

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of his peers determine whether he was guilty of the crime beyond a reasonable doubt.

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Just a quick refresher on that process because there's been a few things that haven't gone exactly.

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Like, there's most. Yeah. What's unreasonable doubt? I don't think that's, I think that's one of those

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terms that like doesn't really go both ways. It's like, is it doubt? Just say doubt. Yeah. I don't know.

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Well, okay. So they do define what reasonable doubt is. So I guess the flip side there is

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unreasonable doubt. But the way that they define it, it's not really intended to be like

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two opposites. It's intended to be more like, you know, we are specifically outlining

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what qualifies. I guess that's true. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I might have been just talking

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out of my ass. It sounds right to me. I was thinking too of like how they picked the jury. Like,

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they don't want anyone who's biased. So maybe like, yeah. Unreasonable doubt would be like,

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oh, you're a super biased against this person. Yeah. Well, sir, you believe that all people of this

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race gender or creed are criminals. So I'm going to say that's unreasonable.

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Dn reasonable. Dn reasonable. On February 25th of 1981, the trial began. So that's just about four

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months after the attack occurred. So that's pretty quick. That is really fast. Well, fast.

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The defense tried to argue that the victim's identification of Steve from the photo array

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should be excluded from evidence. Cassie's nodding her head and she doesn't even know the half of it yet.

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It's unreasonable. No doubt. No doubt, bra. Very unreasonable.

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His photos were differently sized and styled compared to the other five included.

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What? I mean, why not just circle his photo with a red pen and draw in arrows pointing to him while

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you're at it? Like, did any of the other dudes even have like beers in hair? I have no idea.

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Yeah, I haven't read a lot about what anyone else in the photo array, like what they looked like

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or anything because everybody's so focused on the fact that like, um, hello, that was all of that

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was so improper. Yeah. And improper is a polite way of saying, fuck up.

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Shouldn't that immediately be like what's that called when they do something wrong in it?

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I mean, it should be stricken and should like that shouldn't have been admissible. Yeah. Hello.

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Like what? I take it your so upset that it might have been included. Did I not say that already?

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No, I don't think so, but you kind of gave me a way to do every shot. You're not hiding your feelings.

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No, I'm not very good at it. I have no poker face. This so-called evidence really should have been

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excluded, just in case you were unclear on my thoughts up to this point. However, the judge left this

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to the jury to decipher. So yeah, he was like, yep, that's totally allowed. Because you know, so often

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juries are made up of brilliant legal minds, obviously. Yeah, they have the training to know what should

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be allowed in the courtroom. Yeah. Yeah. And they know what a proper photo array should look like.

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We're so lucky that we're so educated in this country that we all just get that basic knowledge

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through school, you know, we're essentially all Brainiacs. Yeah. I can't believe we made it through

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that with the straight face. Why do we even need the judge? The fuck is the judge for?

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I mean, that's kind of, I was like, you had one job. You had one job. You know, be the judge. You make

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the decisions. Whew, I feel it in my temples. Yeah, just like a like an ice pick right to the brain.

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Okay, but everything else will probably be super legit and linear and point to the clear

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cut guilt of the man in question, right? Right. They've they've hit their quote of mistakes.

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Totally, except there would be some changes to the timeline in witness testimony.

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And that would become another troubling aspect of the case and trial, though for some,

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perhaps only in hindsight, because everything really is clearer in hindsight, I guess.

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Now, we don't usually do much in the way of trigger warnings, but I will say maybe fast forward,

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like 30 seconds if sexual assault is particularly triggering for you. We won't be describing the attack

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itself, but something is about to happen in the trial that can only be described as a gross

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retraumatization of the victim. I mean gross in both senses of the word, very exaggerated,

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and also it gives me the ick. Fast forward. Look at her over there. Push in the buttons.

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The batteries are... Yeah. You're like a mom's like stomping her foot on the floor of the card,

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trying to break. At one point during the trial, the prosecutor asked the victim whether she

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recognized her attacker in the courtroom. Clearly pointing to Steve, listen if she doesn't know who

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the guy is, maybe you shouldn't be pointing him out, but also like what other dude is like, yeah,

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on a pedestal, but he's sitting at the defense table. Yeah, so exactly. That's what I was trying to get

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at. I don't think it could be much clearer than that. Okay, but that's not even... that's really not even

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the bad part. He took it a step further, asking her to approach Steve and... this is a quote,

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"Step down off the stand and walk over to the defense table and get as close to Titus

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as he was to you on the night you were raped."

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"Literally shaking your face." "Do you not hear your side?"

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"This was a man, I assume." "How did you guess?"

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"Wild guess." "Yeah, wild guess."

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The victim followed instructions and quickly erupted into tears,

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sobbing hysterically. The prosecution's tactic no doubt having the intended effect.

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But here's the thing, facing a courtroom full of people and telling her story of that traumatic night

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and eventing her life could have easily driven her to tears alone. But forcing her to face a man

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that she now believed to be the perpetrator, it's unthinkable. And in this particular exercise,

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I believe it proved to be incredibly unethical for a whole host of reasons. And my God,

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how badly do you want to win this case? You know, if he's guilty, I can understand being passionate

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about it. But to do that to the victim, I have a hard time thinking that there's any justification

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for that. "I'm thinking." "Yeah." When the state's own forensic specialists were called to the

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stand by the prosecution, they said there was no evidence found that substantiated the girl had been

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in Steve Titus' car. No evidence? Huh? Because she wasn't. Right, right, right. I know every time

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I read that, every time I say it in my head, I'm seeing Kanye rush the stage, "I'm gonna let you finish."

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I'm assuming there's gonna be something after that that's better. 18 fingerprints were lifted.

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And none of them were from the victim. Various fiber samples taken from his vehicle also proved

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contrary, obstructive, fruitless, and otherwise counterproductive to their case against Titus.

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Sometimes when I get fired up, I like to use multiple adjectives. I have to say, "I'm a little

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bit trial if there's no evidence." Such a good question. It really is. Literally everything,

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everything is hedged on this witness identification, this, you know, victim identification, and it's so

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faulty. What? Yeah, ex. There was no damning DNA staining on the vehicle's interior. The fibers

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found within the vehicle's interior didn't match the victim's clothing. Hair found in the vehicle

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was not a match for the victim either. They were, quote, "disimilar to the victim." And I'm sorry,

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how does someone violently rape someone in their car and eradicate all evidence of that in just a matter

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of hours? But like there's other like hairs and fibers and things. Right. Yeah. So it's like, okay,

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well, he didn't just take this and like have the thing like full on Walter White, wiped down.

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Like maybe he hung up plastic everywhere. Yeah. That's, you know what? That's not something she would

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remember and be able to recall. No. Yeah. You make a good point. I'm sorry. Not just a hat rag,

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this one. I like that. No, it really points to like just how unreasonable it is to think that like

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that's possible. Oh, by the way, he also watched a movie with his friend and you know, took a call

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from his girlfriend and he did all of this in addition to absolutely scrubbing that thing clean.

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Except if anybody else is DNA. Right. You just tweezered all the hairs out.

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Because there's no way. Like there's no liquid. Yeah. Guys, gross, but I'm sorry. There would be

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something. You telling me there's no bodily fluid anywhere, anywhere after that? You're going to look

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me dead in the centers of my soul and tell me there wasn't any bodily fluids. Nothing that you could

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pick up that like hair too. I know all like not all women have like thick hair, but most of us,

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you just sit there and think you're careful. So behind, I'm sorry. Yeah. Also like the fibers that were

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taken from the victim, presumably from the vehicle's interior did not match. It's just like, I'm sorry,

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but like what do you have here? You just found somebody who was a white guy driving a blue car.

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That's as far as we got. Man. The detective changed the time estimates related to Steve Titus'

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return home from his family gathering by nearly 30 minutes. On the stand, the detective said that

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Titus reportedly arrived home at 655 rather than 630 as he had very definitely previously stated.

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The only period of time that Steve Titus is aware about could not be confirmed by someone else

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present with him was the 40 minute period from the time he left his parents at shortly after 6 p.m.

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So 610 to put a round number on it to the 650 arrival of his friend, 40 minutes.

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Whereupon they decided to watch a movie. Ron Parker, the detective,

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which feels like a generous assessment, the detective that spoke with Titus to collect his statement

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did not complete a written record of the account and details until months later. Coincidentally,

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just days to the trial commencing. And I happen to know that that's actually pretty much

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totally legal. Usually that would only happen in the case of a traffic infraction.

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But yeah, it's, I would say in this case, I guess, it doesn't appear to be technically illegal

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what he did there. Super unethical and because he changed facts of the case or, you know,

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testimony, that part, yeah, that's not, that ain't cool. Can't do that. How is that legal to like keep

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in there? So how this works is basically, if you're changing facts of the case or testimony,

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things that people have said, obviously, that is not legal. I am not arguing that. I'm saying they

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don't have to actually record or like complete the citation paperwork in a lot of instances

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until like six months later. They have like a six month grace period in a lot of jurisdictions.

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So if you are speeding and a police officer sees you speeding, they can just send you a ticket

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like six months later. This is not that. Yeah, there's no like details that matter. So I don't. Yeah.

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How are you, how are you recording this six months later when you didn't record the statement? Yeah.

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It doesn't make sense. It's very like, yeah, I can't remember what I fucking ate yesterday. Like

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six months from now. How many other cases are you working on to? Exactly.

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Facts that are important. Like, how do you just remember it all? How can you be sure that you're not

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getting details of like any details of the case? You know, I mean, oh my god, it's just, it's,

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it's so unconscionable. And like, regardless of whatever grace period or window that they have to

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be able to like report things, it's like, right, but you took a statement. Like, you already did that.

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This is recorded. This is something that like, and this is going to be presented in court.

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So I think you got a pretty good field for how things are going so far. Yeah, not great, not great.

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Not great. Not looking up. Not great. But you're going to have to wait a little bit to

371
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:21,280
get some information about the rest of the trial. Because it's really hard to divorce some of the

372
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:30,640
remaining details of the trial from the other thing that happens. There's more. Mm-hmm. Okay.

373
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:39,680
But I will say, I think we end this on a relatively high note for true crime. Okay.

374
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,760
What's that? Oh, no, I mean, at the end of part two. Well, tell me the end.

375
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:54,800
I know she's like, you mother tracker. Okay. So the end is, there's going to be a little bit of light

376
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:59,040
at the end of the tunnel. I don't know. It's after you fuck us all up though. It's okay. Yeah. You're

377
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:06,880
cool. I mean, it's, it still feels, um, pretty unsatisfying on the whole. Just because it's like,

378
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:15,200
yikes, we had to go through all this to get to there. I seem super not worth it. So it's a long walk

379
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:20,640
for a short glass of water, um, in some respects. But I think it's a really important story.

380
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:25,920
I trust you. Like I said earlier. Yeah. She's like, for sure. Fuck, I'm very sorry.

381
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:36,320
Oh, well, are we going to do some tarot? Let's do tarot time. Two states tarot,

382
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:40,800
dash, pp, cat. Yeah.

383
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:57,840
Yeah. To both. They're going to come. What did she get? Is that literally the same one that we just

384
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:09,360
put away? Is it? Yes. Okay. It's the eight of ones. Eight of ones. Okay. Well, we both shuffled it.

385
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:18,080
That's weird. Yeah. We put, we drew that for, wasn't Beetlejuice, was it? No. I think it was your last one.

386
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:24,400
Oh, interesting. Yeah. It had to have been. Because like, what else would we draw for? Oh my gosh. It

387
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:29,760
makes so much sense. Immediately. I'm looking at the keywords and I'm like, yep. Okay. So weird.

388
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:37,120
We shuffled the crap out of it. We really did. We really did you guys. We really did. We also don't

389
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:41,920
like drawing the same cards. No. It's like not as fun to keep reading the same thing. So we wouldn't

390
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:46,080
do this on purpose. It's a little old. I know. It's thinking we should get like different,

391
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:51,280
like different books. Oh, yeah. We should. Yeah. Because we're still learning. I mean, we don't

392
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:56,320
have them all memorized. There's no way we could, this is like how we are learning is to keep reading

393
00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:01,520
the same thing over and over. So yeah. But it would kind of be nice to vary it up a little bit more.

394
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:06,720
Yeah. I know. We do a little bit. Well, this one has like the little book. Yeah. I feel like those

395
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:13,840
interpretations aren't really as developed. So yeah. There's like little stories. But okay. So we

396
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:19,200
should add to our to-do list tonight. We should look for some more books. Okay. If anyone has

397
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:25,920
recommendations, yeah. Because you can't really have too many books. I don't, I don't think anyone

398
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:32,480
has ever said that ever in the history of forever. I'm sure lots of people. It's a really stupid people.

399
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:42,960
I love it. Okay. Who left the bag of idiots open? Yeah. That's right. Them don't like books.

400
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:54,080
They, oh, okay. Eight of ones are keywords are action, excitement, new experiences and urgency.

401
00:49:54,080 --> 00:50:01,120
When the eight of ones appears, you can expect your life to speed up big time. It feels like an

402
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:07,920
understatement. This card suggests lots of action and excitement coming your way. Ooh, excitement

403
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:12,720
doesn't always have to be like a positive though. Yeah. It can be bad. Yeah. Yeah. This was for the

404
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:21,920
school one. Yeah. This is the Carpe Diem card. Whatever you put into motion now takes off at a rapid pace.

405
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:27,760
Oh my god. This isn't saying how well it fits. This case as well. Yeah. I feel like that's on like

406
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:34,240
like the cops side because this poor man didn't like do anything. Yeah. So like nothing he did put

407
00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:39,600
this into motion. It was all like the police's fault basically. I mean, yeah, definitely in terms of

408
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:48,080
like what we're thinking of who's that fault for how this evolved. I think, you know, you're

409
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:54,320
definitely talking about like that's, you know, that's on law enforcement, but I will say there are

410
00:50:54,320 --> 00:51:01,120
choices that every single person made along the way that played a role in it. Not that they're at fault,

411
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:08,880
but it does, it does change how things, you know, it changes what is set into motion.

412
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:15,040
That is true because he did design to like go with them and do the right thing. Yeah. But yeah,

413
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:23,040
that definitely is like punished for being a good guy. Yeah. The eight may also indicate a whirlwind

414
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:33,200
trip. This card shows a busy period in your life when you feel catapulted towards something you desire.

415
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:39,200
Oh, I don't know. Okay. I'm going to have to think about that. Maybe not to I feel like, yeah,

416
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:45,680
some of the wording. I feel like something that's like attracted to you. Maybe not like something you

417
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:53,280
want, but like something that's drawn to you. I don't know. What do you think? Yeah. I agree. Oh, okay.

418
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:57,840
I was like, I was like, I want to make sure I didn't cut you off. You know, you always say it better than me.

419
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:08,320
No, sometimes I'm a potato. Perhaps you feel a sense of urgency in financial areas and may need to

420
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:14,640
make split second decisions. Okay. Well, we might have a little bit more on that in part two.

421
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:24,560
In a reading about work, the upright eight suggests a time of inspiration when things happen fast

422
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:33,760
and you have to make quick decisions. Your career moves rapidly forward and you have to hustle to keep

423
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:41,280
up. This card can also represent job-related travel, which is so interesting because obviously,

424
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:48,240
if you're investigating a crime and you're going, you know, travel can be, you know, not necessarily

425
00:52:48,240 --> 00:52:54,560
international, like between to comments, yeah, or, you know, if you are somebody who represents seven

426
00:52:54,560 --> 00:53:03,520
locations of a local seafood restaurant chain. I don't know. Yeah. Oh, and it did like, it moved

427
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:10,640
really fast, too. And they had to, they obviously made some decisions that were hasty. Yes. But I don't

428
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:22,400
understand why. I guess just like get it done faster. Yeah. I think I feel some of the reversed

429
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:31,520
ones energy from this card, too. So it's kind of interesting. I'm, I'm going to pull from the other

430
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:36,560
half of the deck after this. I feel like we did that last time, too. Like we, like, it related

431
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:42,960
with both sides and it just, yeah. I feel like sometimes it kind of just clarifies. But I feel like

432
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:47,440
this card, this is like one of the cards in particular that you pull and even like the imagery of

433
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:53,760
the birds kind of like flying around on it, I feel like it could like go either way, like up or down.

434
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:58,160
Yeah. There's a couple of cards that we've gotten that are like, I'm just, I just keep doing it.

435
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:07,200
And I'm doing the eight. The like, yeah, yeah, figure eight. Yeah. In a reading about love, the upright

436
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:13,120
eight points to a passionate and exciting romance. It can indicate a sudden love affair that

437
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:22,960
sweeps you off your feet or a hasty marriage. It's interesting. Hmm. Okay. Steven Mona,

438
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:28,720
were they like would they like me? They were a little bit of a whirlwind romance in a way. Yeah.

439
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:41,280
Okay. Oh boy. Okay. Yeah. Five of points. Yeah. Okay. So we've got, that's, I mean, just very

440
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:49,680
definitive ones energy. Okay. Oh wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Okay. Key words. And I was like as soon as I looked

441
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:57,360
at that one, I was like, I think I'm remembering some of the like, principles of this card and

442
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:03,040
sort of the, oh yeah, okay. Did we say it's like two bobcats or something fighting each other?

443
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:11,440
Like wrestling, which is like just the imagery of two people like, having a tussle, I don't want to say.

444
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:20,480
I think that the keywords and just the description of the traditional tarot card are going to make it very

445
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:33,920
clear. Key words are competition, ego battles, disagreements and confusion. So I can't find one of

446
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:42,160
those that doesn't fit. And when the five of ones appears, it suggests a struggle for power,

447
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:50,640
money or recognition. Ego battles may interfere with the smooth flow of life. In some cases, it shows

448
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:58,880
competition for resources or control. Confusion and disagreements exist. And in the traditional deck,

449
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:05,440
it literally shows five different presumably, you know, male figures that appear to be like

450
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:11,040
battling with like, staffs. They're like kind of play fighting like in the way that like, maybe young

451
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:20,240
boys would. Oh gosh. Okay. The interpretation. Bickering and self-interest cause irritation.

452
00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:28,080
And you need to concern yourself with getting matters back on track. Wow. There's aspects of the

453
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:33,600
case that I've researched that I didn't even put in my notes for part one that that is just like,

454
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:38,800
woo, front of mind, I might have to try to talk a little bit about that.

455
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:47,840
Discontent may arise from differences in philosophy or personality. When this card shows up,

456
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:53,600
you may be defending your territory, putting up a fight to hold on to what you think is yours.

457
00:56:54,640 --> 00:57:01,920
Try to assess the situation objectively. This may be a mock battle or a conflict of egos

458
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:08,640
that lacks genuine substance. Wow. Cannot make that shit up. That is the same. Like,

459
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:19,120
defendant, even the user were defending like mock trial. Yeah. What I kept here. I know. Yeah,

460
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:27,440
this was a mockery. Anyways, in a reading about money, this card may show your financial situation

461
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:36,160
is unstable or competition is heading into your take. Arguments about money and spending cause

462
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:42,720
tension. In a reading about work, the five can represent competition in the marketplace.

463
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:50,000
In-house conflicts or stubbornness may also cause problems. Perhaps you're confused about your

464
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:56,800
direction or you lack self-confidence. I think some people were definitely confused. Yeah. I mean,

465
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:00,560
some people might have had a little too much self-confidence. Arguably.

466
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:08,320
In a reading about love, this card suggests you're letting your ego rule. You may stubbornly

467
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:15,840
refuse to compromise or make necessary changes. The five can also reveal differences of perspective

468
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:25,920
that cause problems. I would say putting it as differences of perspective is quite generous in

469
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:35,760
this case, but yeah. Yeah. Wow. Okay. So the part that I, the first sentence, literally of the

470
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:41,680
interpretation, big ring and self-interest cause irritation and you need to concern yourself with

471
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:51,520
getting matters back on track. So Steve Titus' initial defense counsel said that he would get

472
00:58:51,520 --> 00:59:01,840
really frustrated only because he could really tell that he really felt that Steve Titus was

473
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:09,840
innocent. He really felt that like deep in like his gut and not everyone that you represent as

474
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:18,240
like a defense attorney is going to be innocent. In fact, arguably, probably maybe a majority of the

475
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:23,280
people that you're going to represent are guilty of something and it may not be as violent or as

476
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:31,680
awful as this crime, but a lot of people they don't did the damn thing. But he just really felt like

477
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:39,680
he didn't do this. Like there's, I just, I can't picture it. I believe him and he knew enough

478
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:47,280
about the timeline to know that pieces of it were fabricated in some of the second round of

479
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:56,080
testimony and the different statements that were brought to court. And his frustration not only

480
00:59:56,080 --> 01:00:04,640
came from the fact that he felt like Steve Titus was innocent, but that because Steve was so passionate

481
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:12,640
and he was so clearly like, how can this happen? How can I be, you know, facing a conviction when

482
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:19,120
I didn't do this? And you know, like I have alibi witnesses, all of these different things.

483
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:27,440
And he would just rail against like what the hell is the system that this is allowed to happen?

484
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:36,960
And it's completely understandable, but it wasn't productive. He's like, and he had this conversation

485
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:44,000
with Steve, but also with members of his family where he would say, listen, you guys are paying me

486
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:51,920
$120 an hour to have this conversation or it might have even been, even back then, it might have been

487
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:59,360
$300 an hour. I can't remember what number he said now. As soon as I said 120, I was like, that doesn't

488
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:06,000
quite feel right. I think it was 300 an hour. At any rate, you are paying someone a significant sum

489
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:12,720
to have these conversations where they're trying to develop your defense and they are trying to

490
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:20,240
represent you legally. And while that frustration is super understandable, it's like, this is not

491
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:26,400
productive. It's not good. It's not a good use of your time. It's not a good use of your funds.

492
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:32,800
Like we have to move on. Let's make the most of all of our resources so that we can prove that

493
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:40,800
you are innocent. And we can get you out of this situation, but can like super understandable

494
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:50,800
why somebody would just be driven to, I mean, damn near the point of madness about, like I didn't

495
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:58,880
do this. How can this happen? It would be terrible. You'd be absolutely beside yourself, I feel like.

496
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:07,200
The money thing, too, kind of made me think of how much funding like the police department had.

497
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:12,160
I'm sure that they're always trying to like speed things along and want people to do things

498
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:17,920
faster so that you don't spend the money on it. Yeah. I mean, I don't know for sure, but I assume.

499
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:23,760
Yeah. I mean, the other aspect of that too, and it's not something that I delved into specifically

500
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:33,760
in part one, but Steve's parents threw the entirety of their life savings into his defense.

501
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:44,480
Everything they had basically. I mean, yeah, what else you can't not.

502
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:51,200
Yeah, I mean, and the worst part is like, you know, these are people's livelihoods.

503
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:58,640
They were not young people. I'm sure at some point that would have been money that was designed

504
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:07,280
to help them be able to retire. And my God, but how do you let your child go to prison for a crime

505
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:14,320
that he didn't commit? A crime that they were, I mean, they were such a key part of his alibi.

506
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:24,080
Having been, you know, he came from a family function. And when we really look at the timeline and

507
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:32,560
the places where all of these things occurred, it is just not physically possible. I remember I did

508
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:42,880
read a book about this case where they talked about this guy is either the fastest or the longest

509
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:50,800
dick in the West. And they're because they were like, either he did this in like 15 minutes. And like,

510
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:56,160
that was a lot of things he had to do and pull off in 15 minutes or he's literally stretching his

511
01:03:56,160 --> 01:04:03,520
dick all the way from Kent, which I thought was a hilarious visual. It was pretty funny. Yeah.

512
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:11,440
And you know what? Steve definitely was the bigger-dicked man in this situation. I said, but I said.

513
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:16,720
There was something you said in the beginning of the interpretation about it was just,

514
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:21,680
it probably goes without saying, but it was about power, like wanting power. And you know,

515
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:27,600
everything I've consumed about true crime usually says that like a rape isn't really about

516
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:34,080
like sexual gratification. It's about having like power over somebody. Yeah. That's true. You know,

517
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:40,080
I honestly, because so much of what we talked about in part one was really focused on the fact that

518
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:47,760
it's like, wow, how is this even going to trial? And so I'm thinking about it in terms of like ego battles

519
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:55,760
and power struggles and everything in terms of the law, the legal system and law enforcement.

520
01:04:55,760 --> 01:05:01,760
But it hadn't even occurred to me that like, yes, I mean rape is a crime where someone is trying

521
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:08,960
to assert dominance and they are trying to, you know, gain power and control over someone. So that is,

522
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:15,520
wow, I, and even more the fact that he let her live too. So obviously, it wasn't about killing her.

523
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:23,840
Right. Yeah. It was, it was really just about that. Well, yeah. Oh boy. Oh, oh boy.

524
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:29,920
I feel like I could go on about this case for so long. For another episode.

525
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:36,160
Yeah. And you know, we're not just going to be talking about Steve Titus' trial because they're,

526
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:43,280
I can't really say much more without giving it away. Don't go and look up the case, you fuckers. No

527
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:51,920
spoilers. I mean, if you want to look it up, I guess, but there's just, there's a lot. I mean, to call

528
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:58,960
it a bloom in onion is, it's not an overstatement. There's a lot. Yeah. We're going to bring in some new

529
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:09,200
characters in part two. And yeah, okay, we'll see. We'll all be here. Yeah. She's like, baby. So you. Yeah.

530
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:15,120
I'm not going to read what's in the little book because I feel like we did a good job and

531
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:23,680
Caitlin has a photo shoot to get to. I do. She's got to like go be happy and in love and whatever.

532
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:30,240
God, that sounds exhausting. I'm just kidding. I'm very excited. It is really hot, though. So I'm a little

533
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:35,760
bit nervous that I'm going to like just melt. I think hopefully there's like just a nice breeze,

534
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:42,640
not too much to ruffle your hair, but enough to make you feel cool. We'll be here in the shade. Wish me luck.

535
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:46,960
Everyone wish her luck right now. One, two, three, go. Okay, I did it.

536
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:57,920
Oh, okay, you guys. It's really hot and these lashes will fall off if the humidity is too high.

537
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:04,720
Have a creepy ass day. See you next Tuesday.

538
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:11,920
Next Tuesday. Stay away from monochematic outputs and cars. Yeah. Because they might get you in trouble.

539
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:17,440
Also, beards. Apparently no one has beards anymore anyway, which is a pay trail bonus joke.

540
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:24,400
Yeah, sorry. You had to be there. Yeah. Yeah.

541
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:39,840
I don't know how to drink a breather swallow or

542
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:49,040
okay. All right. I see what you did there. I'm not going to say it. Yeah.

543
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:59,840
That's what she said. And just like that, she said it. Sorry, Michael Scott was just nagging me in the back of my head to say it.

544
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:04,000
As he does. He wouldn't let me not. Yeah. That makes sense.

545
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