Innocence & Injustice: The Steve Titus Story - Part 2

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On June 8, Titus was to be sentenced.

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But Steve had so many supporters and in fact a defense fund was set up.

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Oh.

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Him and his family have like literally, they put everything that they have into this.

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Yeah, that's right.

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Steve was spending every spare moment doing whatever he could for the case and they spent

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like every nickel and dime they had.

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Okay, are you ready?

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I am ready.

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Wow.

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For part two, yeah, because I am ready because I want to know what happens.

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Well, let's do our intro.

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Show me.

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Oh, yeah, sure.

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Okay.

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Hi, Cassie.

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Hi, Caitlin.

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Hello.

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Hello.

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Hello.

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If you're new to our creepy corner of the world, this is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where

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we chat about true crime, the paranormal and all things spooky in the Pacific, North,

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West.

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We do a tarot reading in every episode for a little bit of deeper insight into our topic.

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And for a little witchy, funness in our lives, funness.

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We don't have a lot of time.

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So we have to shove everything in while we're working.

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We're multi-tasking.

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Yeah.

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If we're not doing 12 things, like, did we even get anything done?

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No.

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The answer is no.

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No.

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11?

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No.

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One too many.

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One too.

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Few.

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Trying to talk too fast.

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Yeah.

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This is what happens.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So here at the top, I'm just going to quickly recap a few things from part one.

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I'm sure you remember everything that happened, but pretty much because it was like a pretty

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tight editing window.

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Yeah.

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So it wasn't that long ago.

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That was yesterday.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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But a refresher would be nice.

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Yeah.

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Just in case.

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Steve Titus agreed to answer questions at the police station.

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Even after being told they were investigating a rape allegation involving an attacker that

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was a preliminary match to his physical description.

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So super nice guy.

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Um, I mean, he sort of kind of vaguely matched parts of a description as did his vehicle.

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So Steve was super easy going and cooperative while all of this was going down.

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In fact, I think you'll remember officers even upliked when Steve and his fiance Mona asked

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for a photo of the two of them because it was her 21st birthday after all.

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Additionally, photos were taken of the interior and the exterior of Steve's vehicle and his

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tires.

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Following his visit to the station, a photo montage of six potential suspects was created

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and then shown to the victim at her mother's home in Tacoma.

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She studied the photos carefully before stating, this one is the closest one.

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It has to be this one.

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Boo.

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Boo.

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And just to be clear, we are not booing the victim.

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Oh, no, no, no.

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See, we adult in.

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No, sorry.

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Um, she.

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She's.

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I'm booing the fact that they took that quote and said, yep, he's guilty.

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Right.

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She had been led to believe that her attacker was among the men pictured and Steve's photo

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had been slapped in with no consideration for uniformity with the others.

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So it was like, let's just draw some red arrows and it's the guy.

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It reminds me of like when you put your name in like a raffle, but then you like, you crinkle

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the paper so that it stands out.

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It doesn't get stuck with anyone else's.

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Exactly.

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Pro life tip.

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That's how you do it.

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Yep.

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The jury deliberated for 12 hours, taking four votes during that time.

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The votes were initially split eight, four in favor of acquittal.

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Later this wood shift to seven, five in favor of acquittal, then by the final vote, the tide

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had turned.

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They apparently very suddenly unanimously agreed he was guilty of first degree rate.

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So we went from actually about two thirds of the jury believing he was innocent to suddenly

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he has unanimously found guilty.

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Like how?

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I mean, certainly that's like the whole purpose of the jury deliberating is that, you know,

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they discuss the facts of the case and you're supposed to be taking that time to consider,

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you know, like is the person innocent or guilty.

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It's just really drastic in the opposite direction it was going.

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That just seems.

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Yes.

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Like those eight people should have been convincing the two or whatever, however,

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that was for.

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Four.

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Interest.

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I wonder what kind of people those four people were like heavily influential.

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We might, we might, we will talk about it.

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A little bit maybe.

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Picked up on something there.

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Did I?

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Maybe.

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The jury it turns out had not been so easily swayed by the case that the prosecution delivered.

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So they were far from suspecting any misconduct on the part of law enforcement.

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So where we obviously have the benefit of sort of hindsight in the case, we understand

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that, you know, part of what they were doing is just, you know, making shit up, putting

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goofy shit on the walls and seeing what sticks.

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The jury didn't have any reason to believe that was the case.

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I mean, that to be fair is something you can really only know in, I think, hindsight more

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than likely.

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But in times Steve's fate had been sealed as the last holdout, not entirely convinced

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of his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt caved to the pressure of his cohorts.

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This juror in particular would reflect in later years and in interviews that he had

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struggled with his decision.

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So this is really, I remember reading this and feeling like, oh, this is so upsetting.

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So this is despite the pathetic animalistic moan that had given the juror pause.

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So Steve just gave this like guttural, like sound once the verdict was read.

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But Steve having failed a lie detector test is the conscience of jury members when they

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learned of the result of the polygraph examination post trial.

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So I don't have this in my notes, but one of the jurors called the man who basically, like

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he was the holdout and he said, hey, you know, they didn't tell us this was excluded, but

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he failed to polygraph.

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And he's like, oh, man, I feel so much better.

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Awesome.

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It wasn't included for a reason.

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So they learned about the facts of the case after the trial.

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And that was something that sort of was like, oh, man, you know, I was really, that one juror

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at least was very concerned that, should maybe I really got this wrong.

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And the failed polygraph really gave him a little bit of peace in that.

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I mean, honestly, if that were me making that decision that I felt terrible about anything

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that would make me feel better, I would probably take it.

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Oh, you'd go on on to it.

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Yeah, sure.

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The sentencing phase of the criminal proceedings loomed six weeks ahead.

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Though he had just been found guilty of a pretty heinous crime, Titus was released on $2,500

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bail.

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At the hearing, he had appeared a near total wreck.

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He'd been losing weight, was pale, and his voice shook sadly.

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Not, oh, sadly, it shook.

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Like it shook in a sad way.

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Oh, it was something that people commented on in particular.

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From the way home from his bail hearing, Mona was shocked to hear Steve recount how he'd

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intended to hang himself in his cell the night before, rather than go to prison.

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For him, a lengthy stint of incarceration already seemed a near inevitability, and it was

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more than he could bear.

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Obviously, he did not fall through with it because he was present for his sentencing.

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That's really sad.

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Fuck.

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He was facing a minimum of three years behind bars and up to a maximum of 20.

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But again, totally chill thing that they did, allowing him out on bail until his sentencing

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date.

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Is that like something they normally do?

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I mean, it's case by case, literally, but I just don't understand why if we truly believe

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that this person is guilty of such a violent and heinous crime that we're letting them out

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on bail.

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Right.

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Right.

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In this case, it's like, well, I'm glad that Titus was out because he's so clearly was not guilty,

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but my God, can you imagine in a different situation like that would just feel horrific?

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Yeah, because they thought he was.

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I mean, yeah.

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Yeah, wow.

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The two-week continuance granted by the judge to his defense was of small comfort to

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Steve, his family, or his counsel.

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And on top of it, the judge was none too pleased to be allowing it, but he had conceded.

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So like, he grants it, but he isn't even like happy that he's fine.

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While Steve remained a free man out on bail in the lead up to sentencing, he reached out

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to Paul Henderson of the Seattle Times and asked him to investigate the case.

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Oh, Paul was apprehensive at first.

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So this dude's a pretty serious journalist.

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He wasn't going to write a nickel ad for Steve without doing his due diligence, like he's

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a real investigative journalist.

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He agreed to review Steve's case to see what he could produce.

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They both agreed that their interactions would be transparent.

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The first time Paul caught Steve in a lie, he'd be out.

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Makes sense.

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Seems fair.

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He would be equally transparent about whether his findings indicated Steve was innocent or guilty.

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Also fair.

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Steve also obtained a new defense attorney, Jeff Jones, who argued for an additional 60-day

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stay on sentencing.

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So I think it's worth stating that neither Steve nor his new revamped council seemed to

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harbor any ill will against his previous attorney.

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It's just that I don't think they felt that Steve's conviction came about through any wrongdoing

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on the defense team, you know, on the defense's part.

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But it did seem like saving Steve from the slamer might require something from a new bag

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of tricks at this stage.

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Because we're at sentencing now.

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So it's kind of, I mean, you're pitch-hitting, you're really just trying to, you're hoping

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for a Hail Mary.

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Both Paul Henderson and Jeff Jones worked doggedly alongside Steve, who had already proven

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himself relentless in the pursuit of proving his innocence.

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The following motions have been filed in a mad-dash effort to help Steve, even if only

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to lessen a terrible blow.

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So number one was they wanted to overturn the verdict based on insufficient evidence.

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Number two, they would like a new trial on the grounds of new evidence.

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And number three of all else failed.

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Yeah, same season.

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Then on May 15, 1981, Paul Henderson's first piece in the series about Steve Titus' case

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dropped, showing there were significant inconsistencies in the body of evidence.

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And in some respects, presented what they believed was new information or evidence.

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Now I think I'm going to explain this a little bit further down, but I think it bears repeating.

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So I'm just going to say what we as laymen or even as an investigative journalist might

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consider new information or evidence might be very different than the legal definition.

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So bear that in mind.

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Okay.

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So here's a bit of what Paul Henderson uncovered through the course of his research and interviews,

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which spoiler alert all seemed to be far more thorough than the work done by law enforcement

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involved in the case.

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One dude in particular.

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There was a block of tent plates beginning with similar digits that were issued at the

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same time in different counties in the area.

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Take the 667 block in particular.

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Roughly 1,000 plates had been issued in Benton County in September that year.

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So that's a lot of plates with, you know, essentially like half of their digits are going

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to be the same.

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Yeah.

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Finally 25 car dealerships received a block of 677 plates in Pierce County also in September.

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So there's a ton of vehicles that would have had some variation of the digits that the

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victim described as seen.

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That wasn't as evident as we'd all kind of maybe been led to believe or as we'd hoped initially.

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The journalist also timed out the series of events attempting to recreate that evening

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for the purposes of either proving or disproving Steve's involvement.

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So he's running through the entire timeline.

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Using a stopwatch, he timed several aspects of the timeline.

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Titus had been wearing all dark clothing, his family confirmed.

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So the complete opposite of what the attacker had been wearing.

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Oh, we talked about the wardrobe malfunction.

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Yeah.

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Like the cream on cream.

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Yeah, it's a cream or ivory hue.

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There were just too many aspects of the case that didn't make sense or prove really anything,

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but specifically didn't prove that Steve Titus was the guilty party.

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While there was little evidence pointing to Steve, it wouldn't be enough to sway the

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judge right out the gate.

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His rag-tag-bunch had to keep digging.

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The port police had taken a swatch of the vehicle's material from one of the front seats.

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So from his company car, they took a swatch of the fabric.

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Oh my god.

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Was it a company car?

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Oh, yeah.

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I don't remember that part.

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Oh, yeah.

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We talked about that because he worked for Iverse.

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Oh, I probably was like, oh, I remember.

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I remember.

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You forgot.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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So here's the interesting part.

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They go to the trouble of taking that sample of the upholstery, but it was never presented

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in court.

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Why?

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Because it didn't match.

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Literally, that was my next in my notes.

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It says, why?

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Why?

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But what'd you do?

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Yeah.

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One might speculate because it would have been damning to the prosecution's case.

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And if you did so, guess, you would be very correct.

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The victim had stated that she knew the material from the vehicle.

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It was either the war or another soft material on the interior because she'd rested her face

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against it during the attack.

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Yeah.

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She would know.

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As Mona would point out to Paul Henderson, what woman wouldn't be able to feel the difference

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between the lure and vinyl, which happened to be the material inside Steve's company

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car on your face.

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You can't tell the difference between the lure and vinyl.

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You know?

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Yeah.

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She's just a woman, so probably not.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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But women are pretty, like we notice colors and fabric and things.

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Just generally speaking.

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There's real broad strokes with this one, but like, because men don't, women certainly

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probably don't.

302
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Oh, yeah.

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That's a good argument.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And I thought would be a thing if they can't do it.

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Yeah.

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That's true.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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They're like, I mean, it's blue.

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What else do you want?

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Yeah.

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Steve would go on to assert that the victim's testimony was that her attacker had struggled to

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recline the seat during the attack.

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However, in his company vehicle, he demonstrated that the lever was smooth and easy to use in his

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vehicle.

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Hmm.

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Like suspiciously easy because it's basically a brand new car.

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Like, these are not the same vehicles, guys.

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Like if you haven't gotten onto that yet.

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And I get that that seems maybe kind of flimsy or circumstantial, but though Henderson

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had anticipated being Stonewalled, the chief actually shared that he had held some reservations

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or concerns about the detective involved in this case.

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Ron Parker now seemed a very dubious character in the story.

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No.

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Yeah.

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He'd had some issues with a supervisor.

329
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Well, there wasn't anything that seemed like a smoking gun.

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It kind of raised, you know, some concerns.

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The chief told Henderson that he would assign someone to look into Ron Parker's conduct.

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By bringing his concerns to the chief and the prosecutor's office, Paul Henderson had

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convinced both legs of the system to investigate further, delaying Steve sentencing for another

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two weeks.

335
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Wow.

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Keeps getting delayed.

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Yeah.

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It's a big fucking deal though.

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Yeah.

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When Henderson spoke to Ron Parker, the detective, he said he was absolutely positive of Steve

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Titus' guilt.

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Whereas his statement to the DA didn't indicate nearly so much confidence.

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So the detective is like himself very wishy-washy, even in internal communications.

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Hmm.

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Not not not great sign.

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Not great.

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No.

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Something about the conversation set Paul Henderson off.

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He's an investigative journalist, so he felt confident that the man was, shall we say,

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disingenuous, probably trying to leverage the case somehow for a promotion.

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Imagine that.

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Which is so sick.

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It really is.

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Both the victim and Ron Parker had indicated that a brown document envelope or folder had

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been on the backseat of the attacker's vehicle.

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But none was ever documented in evidence from Titus' car.

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The original inventory and photos taken at the time when they searched his vehicle were

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also misplaced at some point.

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Okay.

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So this item that has been seen in the vehicle of the attacker is not present in Steve Titus'

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vehicle allegedly, but also we lost the photos, so who could really say?

362
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Oh God.

363
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What's the problem?

364
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Henderson discovered though, Steve Titus had gone to Pains to relay what he had done minute

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to minute on the date in question.

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It would come to light that none of his alibi witnesses had even been interviewed.

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Furthermore, Ron Parker had driven the victim to trial.

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Investigators had protested that, of course, those in the vehicle, too, and from the trial.

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Well, I mean, they didn't discuss the subject at the case at the time.

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Nothing improper to see here, of course.

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Henderson was highly skeptical to put it mildly, and frankly, the attitude of law enforcement

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involved in the case was really starting to piss him off.

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Particularly since, at the time, he had just spoken to a highly emotional Mona as she confessed

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she was concerned that Steve might take his own life in light of what he was facing,

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which she already knew to be a very real threat.

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Henderson was worried that though there were many glaring inconsistencies in the story and

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the evidence presented by the prosecution, it wouldn't be enough to keep Steve Titus

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out of prison.

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Which is a horrible thing.

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It's a horrible sentence.

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Like, they don't have enough evidence, but that might not be enough.

382
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Henderson, the aging retired carpenter, battling cancer, even provided his journal to Henderson

383
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in a bid to help the case if he could.

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So remember, this is the person who lives over there by the airport where it's like he's

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the only person left that hasn't sold his property.

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And he's the one that is with the victim on the night of her attack.

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He's the one that, you know, it's his home from which they're calling 911.

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So I mean, the fact that he's really trying to do everything he can, it's like he would

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have every reason to want the right person to be held responsible for the crime, right?

390
00:23:41,380 --> 00:23:46,100
But like the fact that it seems like he doesn't believe that it was Steve, I feel like that,

391
00:23:46,100 --> 00:23:47,100
I don't know.

392
00:23:47,100 --> 00:23:49,420
To me, that feels like it speaks volumes.

393
00:23:49,420 --> 00:23:50,420
Yeah.

394
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I don't know.

395
00:23:52,980 --> 00:23:57,180
But it didn't really become a smoking gun to help the defense per se.

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I still think this speaks volumes, which was my next sentence of my notes and I of course

397
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was like, I have to tell you this.

398
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This is how I feel.

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00:24:06,700 --> 00:24:08,420
It speaks all the volumes.

400
00:24:08,420 --> 00:24:10,380
So many volumes.

401
00:24:10,380 --> 00:24:13,420
So many volumes and so many smoking gum.

402
00:24:13,420 --> 00:24:14,420
Yes.

403
00:24:14,420 --> 00:24:16,060
Oh, Marga.

404
00:24:16,060 --> 00:24:17,860
Marga.

405
00:24:17,860 --> 00:24:24,860
The victim said it took her 30 minutes to make her way to Liston's house from the crime scene.

406
00:24:24,860 --> 00:24:27,340
And this is where the timing comes back.

407
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Stopwatch.

408
00:24:28,340 --> 00:24:29,340
Okay.

409
00:24:29,340 --> 00:24:35,100
So Paul Henderson and he had somebody come out and help him with it.

410
00:24:35,100 --> 00:24:36,660
They timed it twice.

411
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It took him three minutes and eight minutes respectively.

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The prosecution argued that even though they were proving an inconsistency in the timeline

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that was being presented by the prosecution, they said, no, no, it's not considered new evidence,

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which is like, how you mean?

415
00:25:02,420 --> 00:25:05,540
What do you consider new evidence then?

416
00:25:05,540 --> 00:25:12,860
Well, the law didn't permit the judge to order a new trial unless new evidence was discovered

417
00:25:12,860 --> 00:25:20,620
that could not have been previously discovered through reasonable efforts prior to his trial.

418
00:25:20,620 --> 00:25:24,860
Many other lawyers and legal experts issued similar warnings.

419
00:25:24,860 --> 00:25:28,700
Steve's case needed something more and I'm going to explain.

420
00:25:28,700 --> 00:25:29,700
Okay.

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00:25:29,700 --> 00:25:31,300
And they were right.

422
00:25:31,300 --> 00:25:36,820
The judge argued that Steve and his defense counsel should have done the timing exercises

423
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while the trial was still going.

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So his prior to, we're now in the sentencing phase, his previous attorney should have gone

425
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out there and done the timing exercises or Steve should have.

426
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But like, it's not Steve's.

427
00:25:53,100 --> 00:25:55,300
Who's responsible for the evidence?

428
00:25:55,300 --> 00:25:57,620
Is it not the police?

429
00:25:57,620 --> 00:26:04,860
So in this case, if you expect to the, well, I call him a victim because he asked that

430
00:26:04,860 --> 00:26:08,500
you expect the defendant to go and like find all the evidence they need.

431
00:26:08,500 --> 00:26:15,620
I mean, there is, there is a little bit of an onus on the defense team to, you know, put

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together whatever information they can that presents a case that their client's innocent.

433
00:26:21,380 --> 00:26:27,620
However, obviously we, I think most of us understand that our system is supposed to

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be set up that the burden of proof falls on the state.

435
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A.K.A, the prosecution team, A.K.A, also not Steve and his lawyer.

436
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But this seems to a little bit fly in the face of that because they're like, this is essentially

437
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this, nothing changed.

438
00:26:49,100 --> 00:26:51,460
Nothing has changed about the facts of the case.

439
00:26:51,460 --> 00:26:53,420
This isn't new forensic evidence.

440
00:26:53,420 --> 00:26:57,140
This isn't a change to someone's testimony per se.

441
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If you didn't believe the timeline to fit in the first place and you wanted to do this

442
00:27:01,460 --> 00:27:07,060
exercise to prove it, you should have done it because the timeline that was presented

443
00:27:07,060 --> 00:27:10,820
by the prosecution is exactly what we're discussing.

444
00:27:10,820 --> 00:27:13,780
Nothing's changed and it's so mad at thing.

445
00:27:13,780 --> 00:27:15,180
It's like so okay.

446
00:27:15,180 --> 00:27:21,940
So just go back in time and I get what they're saying.

447
00:27:21,940 --> 00:27:24,700
But like also Steve shouldn't be.

448
00:27:24,700 --> 00:27:29,100
Why is that burden on him and his defense team?

449
00:27:29,100 --> 00:27:33,860
I mean maybe his defense team but like he doesn't have any control over that.

450
00:27:33,860 --> 00:27:35,020
He's not a lawyer.

451
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It should.

452
00:27:36,020 --> 00:27:37,020
No.

453
00:27:37,020 --> 00:27:41,180
If he didn't do that, he should be allowed to have a new, his new defense do it.

454
00:27:41,180 --> 00:27:42,180
Right.

455
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I do think that like in a way, this is like, well, this is something different that they've

456
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discovered.

457
00:27:47,580 --> 00:27:51,180
It's maybe not strictly speaking new evidence.

458
00:27:51,180 --> 00:27:58,220
But you know, if it wasn't presented by his defense counsel in the first place, I, we

459
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could be here for a while.

460
00:28:02,260 --> 00:28:04,220
Got to go.

461
00:28:04,220 --> 00:28:10,140
So as predicted, the judge didn't order a new trial.

462
00:28:10,140 --> 00:28:15,600
But for his efforts, Steve's new counsel was gifted another week so they just keep getting

463
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:16,600
continuances.

464
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,460
Which, thank God.

465
00:28:19,460 --> 00:28:22,580
On June 8, Titus was to be sentenced.

466
00:28:22,580 --> 00:28:28,860
And Steve had show many supporters and in fact, a defense fund was set up.

467
00:28:28,860 --> 00:28:29,860
Oh.

468
00:28:29,860 --> 00:28:35,260
Him and his family have like literally, they put everything that they have into this.

469
00:28:35,260 --> 00:28:36,260
Yeah, that's right.

470
00:28:36,260 --> 00:28:41,220
Steve was spending every spare moment doing whatever he could for the case and they spent

471
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like every nickel and dime they had.

472
00:28:45,500 --> 00:28:52,420
Logo law enforcement was implored to look into any cases that had a similar M.O.

473
00:28:52,420 --> 00:28:55,900
Because this is how you find new evidence.

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00:28:55,900 --> 00:29:01,740
It seems this is one area where Henderson may have proved instrumental.

475
00:29:01,740 --> 00:29:05,700
I would argue it's one of maybe couple.

476
00:29:05,700 --> 00:29:10,460
He hoped there would be another victim that might remember something that would somehow

477
00:29:10,460 --> 00:29:12,500
help Steve.

478
00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:17,500
But honestly, in the 11th hour, it kind of seemed like a long shot.

479
00:29:17,500 --> 00:29:24,420
However, Henderson would receive a call from a sergeant volunteer after he found another

480
00:29:24,420 --> 00:29:29,660
case with an essentially identical M.O.

481
00:29:29,660 --> 00:29:38,020
The 15 year old victim stated that on October 6, 1980, she was assaulted by a man aged 25

482
00:29:38,020 --> 00:29:39,540
to 30.

483
00:29:39,540 --> 00:29:46,460
The victim's name was Julie Whitehurst and her attack had occurred in an abandoned driveway

484
00:29:46,460 --> 00:29:52,100
in the airport woods on 22nd Avenue, South.

485
00:29:52,100 --> 00:29:58,540
The man had reddish brown hair and drove a light blue compact car.

486
00:29:58,540 --> 00:30:00,580
Okay.

487
00:30:00,580 --> 00:30:07,380
He'd given her some story about stopping to see his sister Liz before assaulting her at

488
00:30:07,380 --> 00:30:11,180
knife point.

489
00:30:11,180 --> 00:30:17,540
A detective was headed to Tacoma with a photo montage to see who she identified.

490
00:30:17,540 --> 00:30:23,260
The officer warned Henderson that if Steve Titus was identified, he could be facing additional

491
00:30:23,260 --> 00:30:24,620
charges.

492
00:30:24,620 --> 00:30:30,380
But if not, it could be enough to see a turnaround in his case.

493
00:30:30,380 --> 00:30:37,260
As luck would have it, Steve Titus was working on the date of her attack.

494
00:30:37,260 --> 00:30:43,980
He thought his time card might potentially provide an alibi for him in connection with

495
00:30:43,980 --> 00:30:46,860
this latest case that had been discovered.

496
00:30:46,860 --> 00:30:49,940
Oh, okay, I see.

497
00:30:49,940 --> 00:30:57,860
And it's not just like, oh, he punches in on the clock and there's a little bit more to

498
00:30:57,860 --> 00:30:59,180
it.

499
00:30:59,180 --> 00:31:06,060
In Tuck Willa, Steve Titus is now ex-employer allowed Paul Henderson to review his records.

500
00:31:06,060 --> 00:31:10,860
On the date in question, he'd been driving in the Seattle metro area, which doesn't seem

501
00:31:10,860 --> 00:31:14,940
like it would vindicate him, at least on the surface.

502
00:31:14,940 --> 00:31:21,620
But for that date, he had a signature log and time stamped receipts that provided him

503
00:31:21,620 --> 00:31:24,420
an airtight alibi for Julie's assault.

504
00:31:24,420 --> 00:31:25,420
Oh, snap.

505
00:31:25,420 --> 00:31:27,500
Oh, snap.

506
00:31:27,500 --> 00:31:30,540
Perhaps the most illuminating detail to come to light.

507
00:31:30,540 --> 00:31:38,020
Honestly, a real bombshell was that Steve Titus had not received the light blue chavette

508
00:31:38,020 --> 00:31:43,860
as his company vehicle until the better part of a week later.

509
00:31:43,860 --> 00:31:47,460
He didn't even have that card when she was attacked.

510
00:31:47,460 --> 00:31:48,460
Bitches.

511
00:31:48,460 --> 00:31:49,700
Yeah.

512
00:31:49,700 --> 00:31:54,420
This new fact-gathering session seemed to indicate that it couldn't have been Steve Titus that

513
00:31:54,420 --> 00:31:56,540
attacked Julie.

514
00:31:56,540 --> 00:32:03,020
While she reviewed the photo array, she didn't give Titus' picture even a second glance,

515
00:32:03,020 --> 00:32:04,620
according to Ballinger.

516
00:32:04,620 --> 00:32:06,700
Did they make it match the others this time?

517
00:32:06,700 --> 00:32:10,740
You know, I think they were a little bit more careful about that the second go around.

518
00:32:10,740 --> 00:32:11,740
Go figure.

519
00:32:11,740 --> 00:32:18,420
They took off all the emojis and the arrows.

520
00:32:18,420 --> 00:32:24,700
Titus' new attorney, Jeff Jones, had been hired to pursue an appeal of Steve's conviction.

521
00:32:24,700 --> 00:32:29,980
And with the help of our new favorite investigative journalist, he was finally able to convince the

522
00:32:29,980 --> 00:32:36,100
trial judge to grant a new trial based upon evidence developed in a large part by, or

523
00:32:36,100 --> 00:32:40,380
at the very least, in cooperation with Paul Henderson.

524
00:32:40,380 --> 00:32:46,900
He had argued that Steve Titus' previous trial attorney had been ambushed in the courtroom

525
00:32:46,900 --> 00:32:53,620
by various testimony that was in direct conflict with evidence contained in the port of Seattle

526
00:32:53,620 --> 00:32:55,860
Police Investigative Reports.

527
00:32:55,860 --> 00:32:58,620
That was a really long sentence.

528
00:32:58,620 --> 00:32:59,620
I know.

529
00:32:59,620 --> 00:33:01,860
Well, it was actually a few sentences, but...

530
00:33:01,860 --> 00:33:04,460
So in the original case, they were what?

531
00:33:04,460 --> 00:33:11,940
Okay, so what happened was basically when they got to trial, Steve Titus' attorney is

532
00:33:11,940 --> 00:33:17,980
ambushed by the fact that they've all of a sudden made changes to evidence that they're

533
00:33:17,980 --> 00:33:18,980
presenting.

534
00:33:18,980 --> 00:33:20,500
Isn't that like what you...

535
00:33:20,500 --> 00:33:22,380
Yeah, you can't do that.

536
00:33:22,380 --> 00:33:24,020
How do you say when you're a lawyer?

537
00:33:24,020 --> 00:33:25,020
Right.

538
00:33:25,020 --> 00:33:26,020
I object.

539
00:33:26,020 --> 00:33:27,020
Objects.

540
00:33:27,020 --> 00:33:28,020
Objects on.

541
00:33:28,020 --> 00:33:29,020
Objects on.

542
00:33:29,020 --> 00:33:30,020
Well, here's the button.

543
00:33:30,020 --> 00:33:31,020
Right.

544
00:33:31,020 --> 00:33:34,060
Cassie is lewiring so hard today.

545
00:33:34,060 --> 00:33:35,060
Yeah, you guys...

546
00:33:35,060 --> 00:33:36,060
I don't know.

547
00:33:36,060 --> 00:33:37,060
You can't do that.

548
00:33:37,060 --> 00:33:39,060
I'm not supposed to do that.

549
00:33:39,060 --> 00:33:40,060
Can't lawyer?

550
00:33:40,060 --> 00:33:41,820
No, you can't lawyer.

551
00:33:41,820 --> 00:33:44,140
You actually should lawyer.

552
00:33:44,140 --> 00:33:45,460
You should lawyer so hard.

553
00:33:45,460 --> 00:33:49,100
So why didn't that happen?

554
00:33:49,100 --> 00:33:50,100
Tell me now.

555
00:33:50,100 --> 00:33:52,100
Yeah, you know, I'm going to...

556
00:33:52,100 --> 00:33:54,780
I'm going to tell you some more things, okay?

557
00:33:54,780 --> 00:34:00,340
Julie's case was discovered as a result of good police work by a local municipal police

558
00:34:00,340 --> 00:34:07,460
officer who had been reading the news articles about the case and that led to the exploration

559
00:34:07,460 --> 00:34:09,580
of a news aspect.

560
00:34:09,580 --> 00:34:10,580
Woo!

561
00:34:10,580 --> 00:34:12,580
Good police work.

562
00:34:12,580 --> 00:34:13,580
I know.

563
00:34:13,580 --> 00:34:17,260
We should try it sometime.

564
00:34:17,260 --> 00:34:20,540
The judge declared the verdict null and void.

565
00:34:20,540 --> 00:34:22,540
Oh, okay.

566
00:34:22,540 --> 00:34:23,540
It took me a second.

567
00:34:23,540 --> 00:34:24,540
I know.

568
00:34:24,540 --> 00:34:25,540
Like the lawyer was saying, yeah.

569
00:34:25,540 --> 00:34:30,740
He was granting Steve a new trial and you're going, this is so funny because which Steve

570
00:34:30,740 --> 00:34:33,660
did not seem to quite grasp initially.

571
00:34:33,660 --> 00:34:38,140
That is until his new defense counsel turned to him and said, we got it.

572
00:34:38,140 --> 00:34:39,140
We won.

573
00:34:39,140 --> 00:34:40,140
Oh.

574
00:34:40,140 --> 00:34:41,140
Kind of like I just did.

575
00:34:41,140 --> 00:34:42,140
Yes.

576
00:34:42,140 --> 00:34:43,140
But he was like, wait, wait, wait, wait.

577
00:34:43,140 --> 00:34:44,140
Is this real?

578
00:34:44,140 --> 00:34:45,140
Is this the time?

579
00:34:45,140 --> 00:34:46,140
Yeah.

580
00:34:46,140 --> 00:34:51,940
Well, you know, in courtrooms sometimes the legal proceedings are like, you know, it's

581
00:34:51,940 --> 00:34:56,980
like trying to read a 50 page contract, you know.

582
00:34:56,980 --> 00:35:04,220
Steve and spectators alike reacted first in stun silence and thereafter many developed

583
00:35:04,220 --> 00:35:08,540
into very gregarious displays of approval.

584
00:35:08,540 --> 00:35:09,540
Wow.

585
00:35:09,540 --> 00:35:10,540
Yay.

586
00:35:10,540 --> 00:35:16,820
Is the, I forget her name, the first girl who was raped.

587
00:35:16,820 --> 00:35:17,820
Celia.

588
00:35:17,820 --> 00:35:21,140
Celia was like her and her family there like no idea.

589
00:35:21,140 --> 00:35:26,620
I don't know if they ever like many statements because I imagine that is that would be very

590
00:35:26,620 --> 00:35:28,380
really hard on that.

591
00:35:28,380 --> 00:35:29,380
Yeah.

592
00:35:29,380 --> 00:35:30,380
Yeah.

593
00:35:30,380 --> 00:35:31,380
I'm going to move on.

594
00:35:31,380 --> 00:35:32,380
Okay.

595
00:35:32,380 --> 00:35:33,380
Okay.

596
00:35:33,380 --> 00:35:38,500
Many present had already come to the conclusion that an innocent and truly decent man had

597
00:35:38,500 --> 00:35:44,340
been nearly completely railroaded by the justice system.

598
00:35:44,340 --> 00:35:53,300
It was just two days after Titus' victory made the news that 17 year old Liza Chimino was hitchhiking

599
00:35:53,300 --> 00:35:58,340
from Ernie's gas station near the Kent exit on Highway 18.

600
00:35:58,340 --> 00:35:59,500
Oh no.

601
00:35:59,500 --> 00:36:05,020
She was picked up in a black vehicle by a driver with light colored hair.

602
00:36:05,020 --> 00:36:11,740
At 116 he turned suddenly, claiming that he needed to relieve himself.

603
00:36:11,740 --> 00:36:19,180
Unfortunately, Liza was to become the next victim in a string of related sex crimes.

604
00:36:19,180 --> 00:36:25,940
She was first orally-sautomized and then her attacker raped her.

605
00:36:25,940 --> 00:36:31,700
The horror of just one of these acts is almost too much to bear but the combination of being

606
00:36:31,700 --> 00:36:40,020
compelled to engage with someone attacking you in both of these extremely intimate ways

607
00:36:40,020 --> 00:36:42,820
in forceable.

608
00:36:42,820 --> 00:36:43,820
It's just night.

609
00:36:43,820 --> 00:36:44,820
It's nightmarfew.

610
00:36:44,820 --> 00:36:45,820
Yeah.

611
00:36:45,820 --> 00:36:46,820
I cannot.

612
00:36:46,820 --> 00:36:47,820
Ashant.

613
00:36:47,820 --> 00:36:48,820
Ash.

614
00:36:48,820 --> 00:36:53,020
We shall move on.

615
00:36:53,020 --> 00:36:58,940
The real stunner was that this latest crime had essentially taken place in Steve Titus'

616
00:36:58,940 --> 00:36:59,940
backyard.

617
00:36:59,940 --> 00:37:00,940
Holy shit.

618
00:37:00,940 --> 00:37:03,180
This blocks from his apartment.

619
00:37:03,180 --> 00:37:08,740
Now before you fall down the wrong rabbit hole, I'll tell you this had investigators in

620
00:37:08,740 --> 00:37:10,940
a real tizzy too.

621
00:37:10,940 --> 00:37:15,420
But maybe not for the reason you think.

622
00:37:15,420 --> 00:37:18,100
I was like, "God damn it.

623
00:37:18,100 --> 00:37:25,500
If they use this to somehow justify that he actually is the rapist, I am going to lose

624
00:37:25,500 --> 00:37:29,740
my ever-loving mind."

625
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653
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They couldn't help but wonder.

654
00:39:00,300 --> 00:39:06,140
Was someone really dumping their latest victim in his backyard?

655
00:39:06,140 --> 00:39:11,140
What this brazen douche nozzle failed to take into account, whether that was intentional

656
00:39:11,140 --> 00:39:15,620
or not, was that police were already on to him.

657
00:39:15,620 --> 00:39:16,620
Ooh.

658
00:39:16,620 --> 00:39:20,900
They were like nice try loser.

659
00:39:20,900 --> 00:39:28,220
An investigator took a photo lineup from a previous drive away gas theft to the latest

660
00:39:28,220 --> 00:39:31,300
victim, Liza, in the hospital.

661
00:39:31,300 --> 00:39:39,100
She picked out not Steve Titus almost instantly.

662
00:39:39,100 --> 00:39:41,100
Yeah.

663
00:39:41,100 --> 00:39:43,100
Just it wasn't him.

664
00:39:43,100 --> 00:39:45,060
Really want to emphasize.

665
00:39:45,060 --> 00:39:50,300
Well, almost don't even care who she picked out, because it just wasn't Steve.

666
00:39:50,300 --> 00:39:51,300
Yeah.

667
00:39:51,300 --> 00:39:54,500
Let me make that abundantly clear.

668
00:39:54,500 --> 00:39:58,260
I know we're all shocked.

669
00:39:58,260 --> 00:39:59,260
Podcast.

670
00:39:59,260 --> 00:40:00,260
What?

671
00:40:00,260 --> 00:40:01,260
I did not.

672
00:40:01,260 --> 00:40:05,820
This is brand new information.

673
00:40:05,820 --> 00:40:14,180
The man's name was Edward Lee King, and it was far from his first offense.

674
00:40:14,180 --> 00:40:21,900
One viewing Edward Lee King's photo, Celia Dalton, obviously another one of the victims, who

675
00:40:21,900 --> 00:40:28,460
had identified Titus in a faulty photo array began to cry and said, "Oh my God, what have

676
00:40:28,460 --> 00:40:30,460
I done to Mr. Titus?"

677
00:40:30,460 --> 00:40:34,260
Oh, poor baby, you didn't do anything.

678
00:40:34,260 --> 00:40:37,140
It's not your fault.

679
00:40:37,140 --> 00:40:41,900
So if you're wondering what the hell it was, finally convinced the judge to overturn Titus'

680
00:40:41,900 --> 00:40:47,740
conviction and dismiss the charges against him, well, there you go.

681
00:40:47,740 --> 00:40:53,460
They were like, "Hmm, looking like it's maybe this other dude."

682
00:40:53,460 --> 00:40:59,140
Did the attacker do it like, "No, all this is going down and did on purpose?"

683
00:40:59,140 --> 00:41:03,220
You know, it's something that's speculated about, but I don't know that they've ever really

684
00:41:03,220 --> 00:41:04,220
like conclusively.

685
00:41:04,220 --> 00:41:10,460
Because I don't know that they can prove that that's the case, but that's what they think.

686
00:41:10,460 --> 00:41:11,460
Yeah.

687
00:41:11,460 --> 00:41:15,740
Well, that just seems like, is this guy trying?

688
00:41:15,740 --> 00:41:18,940
Like, is he trying to lead them back to Titus?

689
00:41:18,940 --> 00:41:19,940
Like, what the fuck?

690
00:41:19,940 --> 00:41:23,940
I mean, I would if I was following something that I knew that I had committed and something

691
00:41:23,940 --> 00:41:26,300
like, was about to get off for it.

692
00:41:26,300 --> 00:41:31,300
Yeah, I really liked it better when he was going to be convicted for my crime.

693
00:41:31,300 --> 00:41:32,300
Yeah.

694
00:41:32,300 --> 00:41:34,340
That was so cool.

695
00:41:34,340 --> 00:41:39,420
Though he was no longer facing the same awful potential legal consequences of recent

696
00:41:39,420 --> 00:41:40,420
memory.

697
00:41:40,420 --> 00:41:45,620
Steve Titus stated that he had lost everything.

698
00:41:45,620 --> 00:41:50,660
His legal battle had cost him very dearly, literally.

699
00:41:50,660 --> 00:41:57,700
He said, "I lost my fiance because I spent so much time dwelling on this, and I've changed."

700
00:41:57,700 --> 00:41:58,700
No.

701
00:41:58,700 --> 00:42:00,700
Mona?

702
00:42:00,700 --> 00:42:01,700
Yeah.

703
00:42:01,700 --> 00:42:02,700
No.

704
00:42:02,700 --> 00:42:06,820
I'm not the person she knew.

705
00:42:06,820 --> 00:42:08,540
I lost my job.

706
00:42:08,540 --> 00:42:10,780
My family lost their savings.

707
00:42:10,780 --> 00:42:11,780
$9,000.

708
00:42:11,780 --> 00:42:17,260
I owe $3,000 to my attorney.

709
00:42:17,260 --> 00:42:23,100
Some good news in a case that has overwhelmingly few bright spots.

710
00:42:23,100 --> 00:42:31,420
In 1982, Paul Henderson was awarded the Pulitzer Prize for his investigative reporting regarding

711
00:42:31,420 --> 00:42:32,420
Titus' case.

712
00:42:32,420 --> 00:42:33,420
Wow.

713
00:42:33,420 --> 00:42:36,340
I know.

714
00:42:36,340 --> 00:42:42,660
The man who suffered the most, Steve Titus, filed a $20 million lawsuit against the Port

715
00:42:42,660 --> 00:42:48,940
of Seattle alleging wrongdoing that led to his wrongful conviction.

716
00:42:48,940 --> 00:42:50,940
Please tell me he won.

717
00:42:50,940 --> 00:42:51,940
Something.

718
00:42:51,940 --> 00:42:53,220
Oh, wow.

719
00:42:53,220 --> 00:43:02,420
The lawsuit accused Port of Seattle officer Ronald A. Parker of Gross Negligence.

720
00:43:02,420 --> 00:43:07,220
And intentional disregard for his constitutional rights.

721
00:43:07,220 --> 00:43:08,540
Sounds about right.

722
00:43:08,540 --> 00:43:09,540
Yep.

723
00:43:09,540 --> 00:43:15,820
Which seems like the most accurate understatement I've ever heard, actually.

724
00:43:15,820 --> 00:43:23,260
Steve Titus sadly did not live to see the end of his legal battles.

725
00:43:23,260 --> 00:43:31,060
He died of a heart attack on February 2, 1985, while that case was still pending.

726
00:43:31,060 --> 00:43:34,660
I don't like you.

727
00:43:34,660 --> 00:43:35,660
I know.

728
00:43:35,660 --> 00:43:37,860
The man was in his mid-30s.

729
00:43:37,860 --> 00:43:41,700
He had a heart attack because of all this shit.

730
00:43:41,700 --> 00:43:45,340
Yeah, probably.

731
00:43:45,340 --> 00:43:51,060
But doing the tango with the criminal justice system probably takes one hell of a toll on innocent

732
00:43:51,060 --> 00:43:52,060
man.

733
00:43:52,060 --> 00:43:56,540
I would argue probably also guilty, but I care less about them.

734
00:43:56,540 --> 00:43:58,900
It is so sad.

735
00:43:58,900 --> 00:43:59,900
Yeah.

736
00:43:59,900 --> 00:44:00,900
Yeah.

737
00:44:00,900 --> 00:44:05,900
I want to think that life was just like, let's just give this man a redo.

738
00:44:05,900 --> 00:44:08,740
Because I believe in reincarnation, whatever if you don't.

739
00:44:08,740 --> 00:44:13,460
But maybe they were just like, let's just like give them another go around.

740
00:44:13,460 --> 00:44:16,500
Like this was a really shitty turn.

741
00:44:16,500 --> 00:44:17,500
Yeah.

742
00:44:17,500 --> 00:44:18,500
Yeah.

743
00:44:18,500 --> 00:44:19,500
Yeah.

744
00:44:19,500 --> 00:44:25,380
Several months later, the lawsuit was settled out of court.

745
00:44:25,380 --> 00:44:34,180
And his teenage son, Ken Titus, was awarded 2.8 million in damages on behalf of his father.

746
00:44:34,180 --> 00:44:37,060
2.8 million dollars.

747
00:44:37,060 --> 00:44:39,860
Like in 1985.

748
00:44:39,860 --> 00:44:41,660
Yeah, that's a lot.

749
00:44:41,660 --> 00:44:43,420
That's a lot of money.

750
00:44:43,420 --> 00:44:44,420
But very deserved.

751
00:44:44,420 --> 00:44:48,100
I'm glad that someone was available.

752
00:44:48,100 --> 00:44:53,260
I'm glad that someone was able to get it and like he didn't just pass with no relatives

753
00:44:53,260 --> 00:44:55,060
able to get something.

754
00:44:55,060 --> 00:44:56,420
God.

755
00:44:56,420 --> 00:44:58,420
Money doesn't fix everything.

756
00:44:58,420 --> 00:44:59,420
No.

757
00:44:59,420 --> 00:45:00,420
My God.

758
00:45:00,420 --> 00:45:07,580
No, I'm sure this 2.8 million dollars at any point in history, like there's no amount of money

759
00:45:07,580 --> 00:45:10,220
that's going to give this kid his father back.

760
00:45:10,220 --> 00:45:13,500
And it's horrific.

761
00:45:13,500 --> 00:45:21,420
So Steve Titus, in his mid 30s, dies prior to the end of his civil rights trial.

762
00:45:21,420 --> 00:45:27,380
The investigator who helped him also dies pretty young too.

763
00:45:27,380 --> 00:45:28,380
Okay.

764
00:45:28,380 --> 00:45:29,380
Yeah.

765
00:45:29,380 --> 00:45:30,380
Really weird.

766
00:45:30,380 --> 00:45:36,660
He also passed away in his granted early 40s, but due to a heart attack.

767
00:45:36,660 --> 00:45:37,660
Also.

768
00:45:37,660 --> 00:45:38,660
Okay.

769
00:45:38,660 --> 00:45:39,660
Hmm.

770
00:45:39,660 --> 00:45:40,660
What's in the water?

771
00:45:40,660 --> 00:45:48,700
Paul Henderson, the badass investigative journalist, passed away on December 7th, 2016.

772
00:45:48,700 --> 00:45:51,980
It was like it was also due to a heart attack.

773
00:45:51,980 --> 00:45:52,980
I don't know.

774
00:45:52,980 --> 00:45:53,980
Kind of weird.

775
00:45:53,980 --> 00:45:54,980
What?

776
00:45:54,980 --> 00:45:56,820
It is a really common cause of death.

777
00:45:56,820 --> 00:46:03,180
So I'm going to try not to be like, you know, too weird about it, but I don't like it.

778
00:46:03,180 --> 00:46:05,980
So here's the other thing though.

779
00:46:05,980 --> 00:46:10,220
Hilarious little joke in there at the end of this.

780
00:46:10,220 --> 00:46:13,580
So I presume it was that year's election that took a toll on him.

781
00:46:13,580 --> 00:46:14,580
But who can say?

782
00:46:14,580 --> 00:46:15,580
Oh, oh.

783
00:46:15,580 --> 00:46:16,580
Perfection.

784
00:46:16,580 --> 00:46:17,580
Oh, my.

785
00:46:17,580 --> 00:46:18,580
What happened then?

786
00:46:18,580 --> 00:46:19,580
I don't even know.

787
00:46:19,580 --> 00:46:20,580
Cassie.

788
00:46:20,580 --> 00:46:21,580
2016?

789
00:46:21,580 --> 00:46:22,580
2016.

790
00:46:22,580 --> 00:46:25,420
That was too long ago to remember what happened.

791
00:46:25,420 --> 00:46:26,420
Cassie.

792
00:46:26,420 --> 00:46:27,420
Cassie.

793
00:46:27,420 --> 00:46:28,420
Who was elected president in 2016?

794
00:46:28,420 --> 00:46:29,420
I don't know.

795
00:46:29,420 --> 00:46:31,620
She's refusing to acknowledge it.

796
00:46:31,620 --> 00:46:32,620
Okay.

797
00:46:32,620 --> 00:46:33,620
I was like, she doesn't know.

798
00:46:33,620 --> 00:46:34,620
Doesn't she?

799
00:46:34,620 --> 00:46:35,620
No.

800
00:46:35,620 --> 00:46:36,620
Honey.

801
00:46:36,620 --> 00:46:37,620
Obama.

802
00:46:37,620 --> 00:46:38,620
Obama.

803
00:46:38,620 --> 00:46:39,620
Come back.

804
00:46:39,620 --> 00:46:40,620
Hillbima.

805
00:46:40,620 --> 00:46:42,620
You're in mama.

806
00:46:42,620 --> 00:46:44,620
This is Obama.

807
00:46:44,620 --> 00:46:45,620
Come back.

808
00:46:45,620 --> 00:46:53,660
Edward Lee King pleaded guilty to two counts of first degree rape while armed with a deadly

809
00:46:53,660 --> 00:46:59,260
weapon in King County, as well as three additional counts of the same charge in Snohomish

810
00:46:59,260 --> 00:47:00,740
County.

811
00:47:00,740 --> 00:47:05,500
He was sentenced to a maximum term of 20 years on each count.

812
00:47:05,500 --> 00:47:06,500
Good.

813
00:47:06,500 --> 00:47:08,660
We're just like only like a hundred years.

814
00:47:08,660 --> 00:47:13,740
So you think Charlhead get out eventually.

815
00:47:13,740 --> 00:47:17,900
No, but I was like, do you think they went a little harder on him with the sentencing because

816
00:47:17,900 --> 00:47:19,340
they got it on the first time?

817
00:47:19,340 --> 00:47:23,100
Don't you feel like kind of like nothing he doesn't deserve it?

818
00:47:23,100 --> 00:47:24,100
Oh, yeah.

819
00:47:24,100 --> 00:47:25,340
But like the temptation is at least there.

820
00:47:25,340 --> 00:47:26,340
Yeah.

821
00:47:26,340 --> 00:47:27,820
I'm just saying.

822
00:47:27,820 --> 00:47:34,220
The trial courts ordered that the two King County counts run consecutively and that the

823
00:47:34,220 --> 00:47:42,540
three Snohomish County counts also run consecutively, but that the latter be concurrent

824
00:47:42,540 --> 00:47:47,620
to the King County counts, which I love when the justice system finds a way to not so

825
00:47:47,620 --> 00:47:50,540
subtly say to an evil fuck like this.

826
00:47:50,540 --> 00:47:55,500
Yeah, I wouldn't ever count on touching grass outside prison walls again.

827
00:47:55,500 --> 00:48:01,500
What is the concurrent mean when sentences run concurrently, defendants serve all the

828
00:48:01,500 --> 00:48:05,340
sentences at the same time?

829
00:48:05,340 --> 00:48:12,500
Consecutive sentences mean the defendants have to finish serving the sentence for one

830
00:48:12,500 --> 00:48:18,260
offense before they start serving the sentence for any other offenses.

831
00:48:18,260 --> 00:48:23,300
So they were basically like, okay, so like we'll group those two King County ones together,

832
00:48:23,300 --> 00:48:30,060
we'll group two out of the three in Snohomish County together, but they'll be consecutive

833
00:48:30,060 --> 00:48:32,300
my dude.

834
00:48:32,300 --> 00:48:36,580
So they found a way to basically sentence him to, you know, a bajillion years.

835
00:48:36,580 --> 00:48:38,780
I don't like that they grouped any of them together.

836
00:48:38,780 --> 00:48:39,780
No, I know.

837
00:48:39,780 --> 00:48:41,940
Just keep it rolling.

838
00:48:41,940 --> 00:48:44,100
That's the only fair way to me.

839
00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:52,500
Initially, the facility where he was sent, the staff was pretty impressed with him, but

840
00:48:52,500 --> 00:48:55,260
eventually they would become wary.

841
00:48:55,260 --> 00:49:01,700
Because he basically got sent to one of the mental facilities somehow.

842
00:49:01,700 --> 00:49:06,860
This is a thing that we did a lot in the 80s, wild times.

843
00:49:06,860 --> 00:49:07,860
Okay.

844
00:49:07,860 --> 00:49:12,780
And he was first eligible for work release.

845
00:49:12,780 --> 00:49:15,060
Why?

846
00:49:15,060 --> 00:49:20,420
His only alternative being sent back to prison, the majority of the staff was ultimately

847
00:49:20,420 --> 00:49:23,420
leaning towards prison.

848
00:49:23,420 --> 00:49:29,860
His lack of affect was unnerving to many of them as it would be.

849
00:49:29,860 --> 00:49:33,260
You could only fake it until you make it for so long.

850
00:49:33,260 --> 00:49:36,060
And you know, arguably so well.

851
00:49:36,060 --> 00:49:42,900
Being participated in the program for nearly three years, and it was specifically a program

852
00:49:42,900 --> 00:49:47,860
that was developed aimed at violent sexual offenders.

853
00:49:47,860 --> 00:49:51,220
Okay.

854
00:49:51,220 --> 00:49:54,020
Completing all ten steps of the program.

855
00:49:54,020 --> 00:49:58,980
But I guess he skipped over whatever step was designed to make his rehabilitation believable

856
00:49:58,980 --> 00:50:00,540
to a trained eye.

857
00:50:00,540 --> 00:50:01,540
Good.

858
00:50:01,540 --> 00:50:02,540
Yeah.

859
00:50:02,540 --> 00:50:05,900
That's the bullet there.

860
00:50:05,900 --> 00:50:10,140
Eventually they brought in an expert to assess him.

861
00:50:10,140 --> 00:50:12,620
Enter Irwin S. Dry Blatt.

862
00:50:12,620 --> 00:50:20,220
I would hope that they would bring in an expert to assess a criminal of this nature.

863
00:50:20,220 --> 00:50:21,220
Yes.

864
00:50:21,220 --> 00:50:24,780
One might dare to dream.

865
00:50:24,780 --> 00:50:34,660
The evaluation that he performed revealed that Steve had a very serious personality disturbance.

866
00:50:34,660 --> 00:50:40,700
He was egotistical and immature with very limited coping skills.

867
00:50:40,700 --> 00:50:45,980
This expert found the lack of empathy and tendency toward aggression that he exhibited

868
00:50:45,980 --> 00:50:48,220
very troubling.

869
00:50:48,220 --> 00:50:54,780
Three years into the program, this clever offender had intellectually internalized aspects of the

870
00:50:54,780 --> 00:51:01,020
program, but was hardly a patient to present as a measure of success because it didn't

871
00:51:01,020 --> 00:51:06,820
seem like he really believed in or embraced it.

872
00:51:06,820 --> 00:51:13,820
He could intellectually understand that this is what I need to do and these are the principles

873
00:51:13,820 --> 00:51:16,460
but he wasn't drinking the cool aid.

874
00:51:16,460 --> 00:51:17,460
Yeah.

875
00:51:17,460 --> 00:51:18,460
That makes sense.

876
00:51:18,460 --> 00:51:20,460
He was just saying what they wanted to hear.

877
00:51:20,460 --> 00:51:21,460
Yes.

878
00:51:21,460 --> 00:51:22,460
Exactly.

879
00:51:22,460 --> 00:51:23,460
Because there's more fake it until you make it.

880
00:51:23,460 --> 00:51:26,140
They're telling them exactly what they want them to be.

881
00:51:26,140 --> 00:51:29,100
So it's not that hard to fake it.

882
00:51:29,100 --> 00:51:30,100
But obviously you have to.

883
00:51:30,100 --> 00:51:32,100
You have to be good at it.

884
00:51:32,100 --> 00:51:33,100
Faking it.

885
00:51:33,100 --> 00:51:34,100
Right.

886
00:51:34,100 --> 00:51:35,100
To make it.

887
00:51:35,100 --> 00:51:36,100
Yeah.

888
00:51:36,100 --> 00:51:42,100
The danger he presented to the public if ever released was difficult to quantify.

889
00:51:42,100 --> 00:51:47,900
But ultimately, the specialist recommendation was that he should be kept in custody for the

890
00:51:47,900 --> 00:51:54,380
remainder of his life, stating that work released was ill-advised.

891
00:51:54,380 --> 00:51:57,820
Gee, you think?

892
00:51:57,820 --> 00:52:00,620
Even the animals agree.

893
00:52:00,620 --> 00:52:03,020
And they don't have thumbs.

894
00:52:03,020 --> 00:52:07,460
The diagnosis included the following.

895
00:52:07,460 --> 00:52:10,740
Some of which are highly disturbing terms.

896
00:52:10,740 --> 00:52:20,700
Perifilia, atypical rape, alcohol and drug abuse disorder, and endisotional personality.

897
00:52:20,700 --> 00:52:27,380
Furthermore, it was suggested that he should be incarcerated for the maximum allowable sentence.

898
00:52:27,380 --> 00:52:32,060
You know, aka the remainder of his life.

899
00:52:32,060 --> 00:52:36,100
They were like, yeah, go ahead and then you can definitely send him to jail.

900
00:52:36,100 --> 00:52:37,100
Okay.

901
00:52:37,100 --> 00:52:45,700
So in February 1986, the staff at, this is the State Hospital, reported to the court that

902
00:52:45,700 --> 00:52:51,140
although he had completed the program, King was not safe to be at large, had received

903
00:52:51,140 --> 00:52:56,380
the maximum benefit of treatment and should not be recommitted for further treatment.

904
00:52:56,380 --> 00:53:03,300
They're like, listen, not only do we not like probably shouldn't get more released.

905
00:53:03,300 --> 00:53:08,460
We know the only other option is for him to go to prison and we'd like to take that one.

906
00:53:08,460 --> 00:53:09,460
Yeah.

907
00:53:09,460 --> 00:53:10,460
Door number three.

908
00:53:10,460 --> 00:53:12,700
I'd listen to that one for sure.

909
00:53:12,700 --> 00:53:16,340
Yeah, and they're like, also, please don't send him back to us.

910
00:53:16,340 --> 00:53:19,260
Just also in case that was unclear.

911
00:53:19,260 --> 00:53:25,020
The King County Superior Court revoked his suspended sentences and reinstated the original

912
00:53:25,020 --> 00:53:31,660
sentences in both King and Snut, Homish counties with credit for time served in the program

913
00:53:31,660 --> 00:53:34,940
for all the good that will do him.

914
00:53:34,940 --> 00:53:43,260
This case could have been three or four parts, but I'd originally intended on just one.

915
00:53:43,260 --> 00:53:48,540
But by the time I got really needy been writing it, it became clear that it would not only

916
00:53:48,540 --> 00:53:54,940
be much harder to try to smash everything into one episode, but it wouldn't be a service

917
00:53:54,940 --> 00:53:59,460
to the storytelling in any way.

918
00:53:59,460 --> 00:54:02,700
That said, I do have a super short expert.

919
00:54:02,700 --> 00:54:06,060
I was like, what an expert.

920
00:54:06,060 --> 00:54:07,580
You've a short expert.

921
00:54:07,580 --> 00:54:10,020
I was talking about yourself.

922
00:54:10,020 --> 00:54:11,020
Presenting.

923
00:54:11,020 --> 00:54:17,180
Anyways, I have a super, super short excerpt of additional info that I'm going to share

924
00:54:17,180 --> 00:54:24,300
on Patreon, just related to the actual fuck nugget who did this bullshit.

925
00:54:24,300 --> 00:54:26,020
I don't care.

926
00:54:26,020 --> 00:54:28,500
I know, but there's some really interesting stuff.

927
00:54:28,500 --> 00:54:36,020
And I have some really cool, some more information about Paul Henderson because he's actually like,

928
00:54:36,020 --> 00:54:41,540
I mean, as investigative journalists go, he actually gets cooler.

929
00:54:41,540 --> 00:54:43,460
He like did more awesome shit.

930
00:54:43,460 --> 00:54:44,460
Wow.

931
00:54:44,460 --> 00:54:45,460
Nice.

932
00:54:45,460 --> 00:54:48,740
First, he, no, because he was already established as an investigator.

933
00:54:48,740 --> 00:54:49,740
Yeah.

934
00:54:49,740 --> 00:54:54,540
I mean, he was already established as a journalist, but this is his first prize award.

935
00:54:54,540 --> 00:54:57,140
Yeah, I don't know if this was his first.

936
00:54:57,140 --> 00:54:58,140
Okay.

937
00:54:58,140 --> 00:54:59,140
I don't know.

938
00:54:59,140 --> 00:55:00,140
That's all I'm going to say.

939
00:55:00,140 --> 00:55:01,140
Okay.

940
00:55:01,140 --> 00:55:02,140
I'm going to remain tight-lipped.

941
00:55:02,140 --> 00:55:03,140
Any who's a Patreon.

942
00:55:03,140 --> 00:55:04,140
Yeah.

943
00:55:04,140 --> 00:55:10,300
So I had to cut some stuff from the regular episode that I'm going to share in a Patreon tiny

944
00:55:10,300 --> 00:55:16,580
episode and some of it, I don't know how to feel, but.

945
00:55:16,580 --> 00:55:17,580
Okay.

946
00:55:17,580 --> 00:55:18,580
Yeah.

947
00:55:18,580 --> 00:55:19,580
Should we tarot?

948
00:55:19,580 --> 00:55:20,580
Yeah, let's do some tarot.

949
00:55:20,580 --> 00:55:23,820
You've got a really pretty alter going today.

950
00:55:23,820 --> 00:55:24,820
Okay.

951
00:55:24,820 --> 00:55:25,820
All right.

952
00:55:25,820 --> 00:55:35,820
We've arrived at the tarot portion.

953
00:55:35,820 --> 00:55:45,820
Welcome to our tarot ASMR podcast.

954
00:55:45,820 --> 00:55:46,820
Okay.

955
00:55:46,820 --> 00:55:51,540
I'm going to lay out the cards and I'll have you help me pick.

956
00:55:51,540 --> 00:55:54,060
Literally like the one you grabbed already.

957
00:55:54,060 --> 00:55:55,060
That one.

958
00:55:55,060 --> 00:55:56,060
This one?

959
00:55:56,060 --> 00:55:57,060
Yeah.

960
00:55:57,060 --> 00:55:58,060
Oh.

961
00:55:58,060 --> 00:55:59,060
What is it?

962
00:55:59,060 --> 00:56:00,060
Ooh.

963
00:56:00,060 --> 00:56:01,060
Ooh.

964
00:56:01,060 --> 00:56:02,060
Wow.

965
00:56:02,060 --> 00:56:03,060
What is it?

966
00:56:03,060 --> 00:56:04,060
The Wheel of Fortune.

967
00:56:04,060 --> 00:56:06,540
A beautiful card in this deck.

968
00:56:06,540 --> 00:56:10,340
It's really funny because the alter we set up had to do with like Fortune.

969
00:56:10,340 --> 00:56:11,340
Yeah, it did.

970
00:56:11,340 --> 00:56:15,420
I was like, was it feeling the vibes of the alter or is it feeling the vibes of the story?

971
00:56:15,420 --> 00:56:17,180
Because they're kind of different.

972
00:56:17,180 --> 00:56:19,180
I mean, yeah.

973
00:56:19,180 --> 00:56:25,980
I feel like this is sort of like a money bowl type of a setup, which we're doing for

974
00:56:25,980 --> 00:56:30,700
a specific reason because of the timing of when we're recording.

975
00:56:30,700 --> 00:56:36,140
But also I feel like for Titus, it makes sense.

976
00:56:36,140 --> 00:56:39,020
For like the Titus case, it sort of makes sense.

977
00:56:39,020 --> 00:56:45,260
Like, I hope that our efforts pay off in a more timely fashion than his thing.

978
00:56:45,260 --> 00:56:46,260
Yeah.

979
00:56:46,260 --> 00:56:51,700
But it ultimately did get not like, I guess kind of justice.

980
00:56:51,700 --> 00:56:52,700
Yeah.

981
00:56:52,700 --> 00:56:54,500
I mean, even though he wasn't around.

982
00:56:54,500 --> 00:56:55,500
Right.

983
00:56:55,500 --> 00:56:56,500
And it fucked up my entire life.

984
00:56:56,500 --> 00:56:57,500
Yeah.

985
00:56:57,500 --> 00:56:58,500
It's been passed.

986
00:56:58,500 --> 00:56:59,500
Just really depressing stuff.

987
00:56:59,500 --> 00:57:02,500
I know, but he didn't get put away.

988
00:57:02,500 --> 00:57:08,260
But yeah, so the wheel of Fortune isn't one that we've had very often.

989
00:57:08,260 --> 00:57:11,300
So I can't exactly remember.

990
00:57:11,300 --> 00:57:13,740
We've gotten it for like our business reading.

991
00:57:13,740 --> 00:57:14,740
Okay.

992
00:57:14,740 --> 00:57:16,740
Wheel of Fortune.

993
00:57:16,740 --> 00:57:17,740
Yeah.

994
00:57:17,740 --> 00:57:20,900
We still have this fortune.

995
00:57:20,900 --> 00:57:21,900
Hmm.

996
00:57:21,900 --> 00:57:23,980
Number 10.

997
00:57:23,980 --> 00:57:24,980
Okay.

998
00:57:24,980 --> 00:57:30,180
So, and we do have this in the upright.

999
00:57:30,180 --> 00:57:39,460
Oh, our keywords are change destiny, unexpected turn of events, and good luck.

1000
00:57:39,460 --> 00:57:42,660
Well, debatable.

1001
00:57:42,660 --> 00:57:49,420
Some decks depict the wheel of Fortune with eight spokes, a reference to the eight pagan

1002
00:57:49,420 --> 00:57:56,180
sabbaths or holidays that mark the sun's annual passage across the sky and ever turning

1003
00:57:56,180 --> 00:57:57,180
cycles of life.

1004
00:57:57,180 --> 00:58:04,820
I feel like that's a kind of a good home and given kind of the ritual altar that we're

1005
00:58:04,820 --> 00:58:06,380
kind of trying to do here.

1006
00:58:06,380 --> 00:58:07,380
Yeah.

1007
00:58:07,380 --> 00:58:14,300
Other decks show human or mythical figures attached to the wheel, indicating we're all tied

1008
00:58:14,300 --> 00:58:22,260
to the wheel of time and subject to life's ups and downs, which I mean, that seems somewhat

1009
00:58:22,260 --> 00:58:23,260
fitting here.

1010
00:58:23,260 --> 00:58:32,220
But the writer, we Smith deck includes winged versions of astrological symbols, which represent

1011
00:58:32,220 --> 00:58:38,820
the four elements in the cards corners, suggesting the influence of divine forces.

1012
00:58:38,820 --> 00:58:39,820
Hmm.

1013
00:58:39,820 --> 00:58:44,100
I felt like there had to be some sort of influence because it was looking real bad for

1014
00:58:44,100 --> 00:58:45,100
all long time.

1015
00:58:45,100 --> 00:58:46,100
Right?

1016
00:58:46,100 --> 00:58:52,100
And then this angel of an investigative journalist comes along.

1017
00:58:52,100 --> 00:58:53,100
Yeah.

1018
00:58:53,100 --> 00:58:55,740
Oh my gosh, you're going to absolutely ship bricks.

1019
00:58:55,740 --> 00:58:56,740
Okay.

1020
00:58:56,740 --> 00:59:03,580
Consciously or unconsciously, you've put something in motion and you now have little or no control

1021
00:59:03,580 --> 00:59:04,580
over the outcome.

1022
00:59:04,580 --> 00:59:05,580
Oh gosh.

1023
00:59:05,580 --> 00:59:07,580
Didn't it say that in our last?

1024
00:59:07,580 --> 00:59:10,700
Like, it was the eight of wands or something.

1025
00:59:10,700 --> 00:59:12,540
It said something very similar.

1026
00:59:12,540 --> 00:59:13,540
Yeah.

1027
00:59:13,540 --> 00:59:15,540
I think you're right.

1028
00:59:15,540 --> 00:59:18,140
A new phase in your life is beginning.

1029
00:59:18,140 --> 00:59:24,380
An important decision must be made or an upcoming circumstance will change your life.

1030
00:59:24,380 --> 00:59:28,020
Destiny is at work and you have to accept whatever happens.

1031
00:59:28,020 --> 00:59:33,060
All you can do is attune yourself to the forces operating now.

1032
00:59:33,060 --> 00:59:34,060
Oh, wow.

1033
00:59:34,060 --> 00:59:35,060
It's crazy.

1034
00:59:35,060 --> 00:59:40,540
Yeah, the connection between the last card we drew for this case and this one.

1035
00:59:40,540 --> 00:59:42,100
In the eight, it was eight of wands.

1036
00:59:42,100 --> 00:59:43,100
I'm pretty sure.

1037
00:59:43,100 --> 00:59:44,100
And then the right path.

1038
00:59:44,100 --> 00:59:47,500
I think you're talking about like eight spokes of the wheel of them.

1039
00:59:47,500 --> 00:59:48,500
Interesting.

1040
00:59:48,500 --> 00:59:49,500
Yeah.

1041
00:59:49,500 --> 00:59:50,500
Okay.

1042
00:59:50,500 --> 00:59:54,500
I think I'll come back to the extra excerpt.

1043
00:59:54,500 --> 00:59:55,500
All right.

1044
00:59:55,500 --> 01:00:02,340
In the upright, it says, "A favorable outcome awaits you.

1045
01:00:02,340 --> 01:00:05,140
Circumstances are changing for the better.

1046
01:00:05,140 --> 01:00:08,980
Even if you aren't totally aware of what you've done to initiate the process."

1047
01:00:08,980 --> 01:00:09,980
Oh, nothing.

1048
01:00:09,980 --> 01:00:10,980
I know.

1049
01:00:10,980 --> 01:00:14,380
Well, to make it better, I think.

1050
01:00:14,380 --> 01:00:18,860
You've started the ball rolling or rather the wheel turning.

1051
01:00:18,860 --> 01:00:20,020
Don't resist.

1052
01:00:20,020 --> 01:00:25,700
These changes will promote growth and bring valuable learning experiences for you.

1053
01:00:25,700 --> 01:00:30,020
It can be hard to stay balanced, but go with the flow and trust the process.

1054
01:00:30,020 --> 01:00:31,020
Yikes.

1055
01:00:31,020 --> 01:00:31,900
Okay.

1056
01:00:31,900 --> 01:00:37,980
In a reading about money, this card heralds good fortune.

1057
01:00:37,980 --> 01:00:43,620
Come in your way as a result of what you've already put into motion.

1058
01:00:43,620 --> 01:00:47,180
Perhaps through a stroke of good luck, your finances improve.

1059
01:00:47,180 --> 01:00:50,380
Seize opportunities that present themselves.

1060
01:00:50,380 --> 01:00:51,380
Yikes.

1061
01:00:51,380 --> 01:00:52,380
Okay.

1062
01:00:52,380 --> 01:00:57,620
I mean, someone's finances improved over terrible circumstances, but it's not untrue.

1063
01:00:57,620 --> 01:00:58,620
Yeah.

1064
01:00:58,620 --> 01:00:59,620
Yeah.

1065
01:00:59,620 --> 01:01:01,020
I mean, yikes.

1066
01:01:01,020 --> 01:01:03,340
Okay.

1067
01:01:03,340 --> 01:01:07,100
If the reading is about your job, you may get a lucky break.

1068
01:01:07,100 --> 01:01:13,380
Unexpected turns of events are likely, such as meeting new people who can help you or receiving

1069
01:01:13,380 --> 01:01:16,740
an offer out of the blue.

1070
01:01:16,740 --> 01:01:23,780
Although this may appear fortuitous, it's all part of the grand plan for your life.

1071
01:01:23,780 --> 01:01:30,660
In a reading about love, a new romance may begin or an existing relationship may improve.

1072
01:01:30,660 --> 01:01:36,220
Even if you don't think you've done anything to make that happen, the time is right for change.

1073
01:01:36,220 --> 01:01:37,220
Enjoy it.

1074
01:01:37,220 --> 01:01:39,340
It just makes me sad.

1075
01:01:39,340 --> 01:01:45,540
What if he would have lived and what if they got back together someday and came back around

1076
01:01:45,540 --> 01:01:46,540
him and Mona?

1077
01:01:46,540 --> 01:01:47,540
I know.

1078
01:01:47,540 --> 01:01:52,220
It's a romance story level bullshit, but you never know.

1079
01:01:52,220 --> 01:01:53,220
I know.

1080
01:01:53,220 --> 01:01:55,020
They did remain close.

1081
01:01:55,020 --> 01:01:56,020
Yeah.

1082
01:01:56,020 --> 01:01:57,020
Good.

1083
01:01:57,020 --> 01:01:58,020
Yeah.

1084
01:01:58,020 --> 01:02:02,660
I mean, this is all in a very, if you think about it, I mean, this is all in a relatively condensed

1085
01:02:02,660 --> 01:02:03,660
time frame.

1086
01:02:03,660 --> 01:02:09,660
This didn't happen over decades or any, you know, it's, wow.

1087
01:02:09,660 --> 01:02:10,660
Okay.

1088
01:02:10,660 --> 01:02:14,220
I'm going to come back to the extra excerpt.

1089
01:02:14,220 --> 01:02:21,340
The Wheel of Fortune is linked to the three faiths, collectively called the Morai in Greek

1090
01:02:21,340 --> 01:02:23,340
mythology.

1091
01:02:23,340 --> 01:02:31,500
One spins the thread of life, the second weaves it, and the third cuts it.

1092
01:02:31,500 --> 01:02:37,420
This The Wheel of Fortune is a reminder of the mysterious cycles of life, death and rebirth.

1093
01:02:37,420 --> 01:02:39,620
Oh my gosh.

1094
01:02:39,620 --> 01:02:40,620
Rebirth.

1095
01:02:40,620 --> 01:02:41,620
I know.

1096
01:02:41,620 --> 01:02:47,500
And one of the invisible forces that measure them out to each of us.

1097
01:02:47,500 --> 01:02:53,620
I was kind of crazy that I talked about, like maybe he died soon because the world was

1098
01:02:53,620 --> 01:02:55,820
like, you've been through some shit already.

1099
01:02:55,820 --> 01:02:57,740
Let's like, yeah, like do over.

1100
01:02:57,740 --> 01:03:00,060
Give you a nice life next time or something.

1101
01:03:00,060 --> 01:03:03,060
I just like want to hope that that.

1102
01:03:03,060 --> 01:03:05,420
Oh, here's hoping, right?

1103
01:03:05,420 --> 01:03:07,420
I know.

1104
01:03:07,420 --> 01:03:08,420
Steve.

1105
01:03:08,420 --> 01:03:09,420
Oh.

1106
01:03:09,420 --> 01:03:13,260
Well, you want to know something else kind of crazy.

1107
01:03:13,260 --> 01:03:14,260
Yeah.

1108
01:03:14,260 --> 01:03:19,900
So we originally had this, I can't, what was it called, the shell?

1109
01:03:19,900 --> 01:03:21,300
She, but I shell?

1110
01:03:21,300 --> 01:03:22,300
Yeah.

1111
01:03:22,300 --> 01:03:23,300
Yeah, I think you're right.

1112
01:03:23,300 --> 01:03:25,700
So we had this on the altar.

1113
01:03:25,700 --> 01:03:29,380
So it is a snail shell, basically.

1114
01:03:29,380 --> 01:03:35,580
And then this wheel of fortune is has a black turban snail on it.

1115
01:03:35,580 --> 01:03:37,220
This little picture on here.

1116
01:03:37,220 --> 01:03:40,020
And it has like the same little curly, cute thing.

1117
01:03:40,020 --> 01:03:44,300
It was like, hey, bitch, you should have left that on the altar.

1118
01:03:44,300 --> 01:03:47,060
I guess we just thought it was getting a little crowded.

1119
01:03:47,060 --> 01:03:49,340
And we're like, well, yeah, put this in the next one.

1120
01:03:49,340 --> 01:03:51,060
But it was like, we take it.

1121
01:03:51,060 --> 01:03:53,140
I get this is for this one.

1122
01:03:53,140 --> 01:03:56,420
So it's there now.

1123
01:03:56,420 --> 01:04:00,980
I got that out of a farmer's market this weekend on a little crystal stand where I

1124
01:04:00,980 --> 01:04:03,700
would like, I'm, I'm, I only have $5.

1125
01:04:03,700 --> 01:04:06,860
I'm just going to buy something if I find something from $5.

1126
01:04:06,860 --> 01:04:08,420
And that was $5.

1127
01:04:08,420 --> 01:04:09,620
I love it.

1128
01:04:09,620 --> 01:04:11,180
I'll buy it.

1129
01:04:11,180 --> 01:04:16,860
This says the same stuff about fate, chance, fortune, karma and justice.

1130
01:04:16,860 --> 01:04:17,860
Yeah.

1131
01:04:17,860 --> 01:04:21,660
A cycle reversal or revolution.

1132
01:04:21,660 --> 01:04:22,660
Oh, reversal.

1133
01:04:22,660 --> 01:04:23,660
Reversal.

1134
01:04:23,660 --> 01:04:24,660
Reversal.

1135
01:04:24,660 --> 01:04:25,660
Yeah.

1136
01:04:25,660 --> 01:04:26,660
Interesting.

1137
01:04:26,660 --> 01:04:27,660
Yeah.

1138
01:04:27,660 --> 01:04:28,660
It did.

1139
01:04:28,660 --> 01:04:29,660
I was thinking about like the time too.

1140
01:04:29,660 --> 01:04:33,180
And it's like, you know, so much time that you had to spend.

1141
01:04:33,180 --> 01:04:37,460
They were talking about like his sentencing, like how much time he would get.

1142
01:04:37,460 --> 01:04:38,460
Yeah.

1143
01:04:38,460 --> 01:04:39,460
Okay.

1144
01:04:39,460 --> 01:04:42,620
I'm going to read this because it's like not even a page.

1145
01:04:42,620 --> 01:04:43,700
Okay.

1146
01:04:43,700 --> 01:04:47,020
The wheel turns and the snail cannot stop it.

1147
01:04:47,020 --> 01:04:51,620
They cannot steer it or slow it or adjust its course in any way.

1148
01:04:51,620 --> 01:04:53,460
They are long for the ride.

1149
01:04:53,460 --> 01:04:56,660
They are powerless upon it.

1150
01:04:56,660 --> 01:04:58,660
That is life.

1151
01:04:58,660 --> 01:04:59,660
Mm.

1152
01:04:59,660 --> 01:05:01,820
Attacked by they know not what.

1153
01:05:01,820 --> 01:05:04,940
They climbed the rocky slope.

1154
01:05:04,940 --> 01:05:07,420
They retreated into their shell.

1155
01:05:07,420 --> 01:05:08,420
Desperate.

1156
01:05:08,420 --> 01:05:10,420
They sacrifice their foot.

1157
01:05:10,420 --> 01:05:11,420
Detached it.

1158
01:05:11,420 --> 01:05:12,420
Huh.

1159
01:05:12,420 --> 01:05:17,300
Paid it as toll for continued existence.

1160
01:05:17,300 --> 01:05:23,020
With nothing to secure it, their shell began rolling like a die cast down the slope.

1161
01:05:23,020 --> 01:05:26,820
Carrying them to safety or demise.

1162
01:05:26,820 --> 01:05:30,380
They're fate tied to the turning of the wheel.

1163
01:05:30,380 --> 01:05:31,860
Oh my gosh.

1164
01:05:31,860 --> 01:05:32,860
Wow.

1165
01:05:32,860 --> 01:05:33,860
Interesting.

1166
01:05:33,860 --> 01:05:42,540
I do kind of like some of the, they feel like sort of like a fable in our Pacific Northwest

1167
01:05:42,540 --> 01:05:44,540
interpretation guide.

1168
01:05:44,540 --> 01:05:45,540
Yeah.

1169
01:05:45,540 --> 01:05:50,700
You know, it's like you, it gives us kind of some keywords and things, but it doesn't

1170
01:05:50,700 --> 01:05:56,300
go super in depth with those interpretations, but those little stories are really interesting.

1171
01:05:56,300 --> 01:05:57,900
I love the stories.

1172
01:05:57,900 --> 01:05:58,900
Yeah.

1173
01:05:58,900 --> 01:06:04,260
Okay, I'll read you all what my whole shell thing is and it just you know, it's from

1174
01:06:04,260 --> 01:06:06,020
SIG-FREED crystals.

1175
01:06:06,020 --> 01:06:07,020
Oh.

1176
01:06:07,020 --> 01:06:11,500
And I got it at the Bull Mountain Farmers Market at Cantibary Square.

1177
01:06:11,500 --> 01:06:12,500
Interesting.

1178
01:06:12,500 --> 01:06:14,860
No one invited me to go to the farmers market.

1179
01:06:14,860 --> 01:06:15,860
Sorry.

1180
01:06:15,860 --> 01:06:16,860
It was Mother's Day.

1181
01:06:16,860 --> 01:06:18,340
Yeah, I was like, it was Mother's Day.

1182
01:06:18,340 --> 01:06:20,340
I know I bought myself a gift on Mother's Day.

1183
01:06:20,340 --> 01:06:22,420
I love that for you.

1184
01:06:22,420 --> 01:06:24,660
I'm a great daughter.

1185
01:06:24,660 --> 01:06:28,540
The Shiva Eye Shell has a number of meanings associated with it.

1186
01:06:28,540 --> 01:06:36,700
The shell has ocean-like soothing, comforting and serene vibes that will bring sticky mouth.

1187
01:06:36,700 --> 01:06:37,700
No, no.

1188
01:06:37,700 --> 01:06:39,580
That will bring sticky mouth.

1189
01:06:39,580 --> 01:06:43,660
That will bring peace of mind and relaxation.

1190
01:06:43,660 --> 01:06:51,260
Shiva Eyes are polished, turbo-sea snail fossils which belong to the marine gastropod family.

1191
01:06:51,260 --> 01:06:52,500
Oh, of course.

1192
01:06:52,500 --> 01:06:59,460
This unique shell comes from the bottom part of the snail which you, which used it as a

1193
01:06:59,460 --> 01:07:01,500
defense mechanism.

1194
01:07:01,500 --> 01:07:06,860
So next episode of mine, I might nerd out about snails.

1195
01:07:06,860 --> 01:07:07,860
Snails?

1196
01:07:07,860 --> 01:07:09,740
Is cargo anyone?

1197
01:07:09,740 --> 01:07:11,940
Oh, yeah, I don't know about that.

1198
01:07:11,940 --> 01:07:12,940
I would never.

1199
01:07:12,940 --> 01:07:13,940
I would never do it.

1200
01:07:13,940 --> 01:07:14,940
Yeah.

1201
01:07:14,940 --> 01:07:16,940
Oysters all day.

1202
01:07:16,940 --> 01:07:18,620
Snails are just too cute.

1203
01:07:18,620 --> 01:07:19,620
Yeah.

1204
01:07:19,620 --> 01:07:20,620
Gary.

1205
01:07:20,620 --> 01:07:23,580
Are you done yet?

1206
01:07:23,580 --> 01:07:24,580
I'm so done.

1207
01:07:24,580 --> 01:07:25,580
Okay.

1208
01:07:25,580 --> 01:07:26,580
Are you done?

1209
01:07:26,580 --> 01:07:27,580
I'm done.

1210
01:07:27,580 --> 01:07:29,980
I got nothing left to talk about.

1211
01:07:29,980 --> 01:07:30,980
Yeah.

1212
01:07:30,980 --> 01:07:32,980
I just ran my mouth.

1213
01:07:32,980 --> 01:07:33,980
Yeah, no.

1214
01:07:33,980 --> 01:07:37,620
I will, we'll, we'll, we'll chat some more in the Patreon bonus.

1215
01:07:37,620 --> 01:07:38,620
Oh, yeah.

1216
01:07:38,620 --> 01:07:39,620
I'm good.

1217
01:07:39,620 --> 01:07:40,620
Yeah.

1218
01:07:40,620 --> 01:07:41,620
Come back for the Patreon bonus.

1219
01:07:41,620 --> 01:07:42,620
Y'all.

1220
01:07:42,620 --> 01:07:43,620
All right.

1221
01:07:43,620 --> 01:07:44,620
Have a great day.

1222
01:07:44,620 --> 01:07:45,620
Have a great day.

1223
01:07:45,620 --> 01:07:46,620
Have a great day.

1224
01:07:46,620 --> 01:07:47,620
Have a great day.

1225
01:07:47,620 --> 01:07:48,620
Have a great day.

1226
01:07:48,620 --> 01:07:49,620
Have a great day.

1227
01:07:49,620 --> 01:07:50,620
Have a great day.

1228
01:07:50,620 --> 01:07:51,620
Have a great day.

1229
01:07:51,620 --> 01:07:52,620
Have a great day.

1230
01:07:52,620 --> 01:07:53,620
Have a great day.

1231
01:07:53,620 --> 01:07:54,620
Have a great day.

1232
01:07:54,620 --> 01:07:55,620
Have a great day.

1233
01:07:55,620 --> 01:07:56,620
Have a great day.

1234
01:07:56,620 --> 01:07:57,620
Have a great day.

1235
01:07:57,620 --> 01:07:58,620
See you next Tuesday.

1236
01:07:58,620 --> 01:07:59,620
See you next Tuesday.

1237
01:07:59,620 --> 01:08:00,620
See you next Tuesday.

1238
01:08:00,620 --> 01:08:01,620
Unless you decide to get interviewed by the cops without a lawyer or get a lawyer or

1239
01:08:01,620 --> 01:08:02,620
get a lawyer or get a lawyer.

1240
01:08:02,620 --> 01:08:03,620
Or always get a lawyer.

1241
01:08:03,620 --> 01:08:04,620
Even if you're innocent.

1242
01:08:04,620 --> 01:08:05,620
Yeah.

1243
01:08:05,620 --> 01:08:06,620
Probably especially if you're innocent.

1244
01:08:06,620 --> 01:08:07,620
I run actually.

1245
01:08:07,620 --> 01:08:08,620
But you know, if you're guilty, you don't need to get a lawyer.

1246
01:08:08,620 --> 01:08:09,620
Yeah, actually, I really don't.

1247
01:08:09,620 --> 01:08:12,620
I really don't want to get a lawyer because we don't want any mistrials for bad.

1248
01:08:12,620 --> 01:08:13,620
Yeah, that's true.

1249
01:08:13,620 --> 01:08:14,620
Okay, so everyone just get a lawyer.

1250
01:08:14,620 --> 01:08:15,620
Probably just always get a lawyer.

1251
01:08:15,620 --> 01:08:18,620
Actually, I think should we go call our lawyer right now?

1252
01:08:18,620 --> 01:08:19,620
Yeah.

1253
01:08:19,620 --> 01:08:20,620
Just do so.

1254
01:08:20,620 --> 01:08:21,620
Okay.

1255
01:08:21,620 --> 01:08:22,620
We're in the talk to the lawyer.

1256
01:08:22,620 --> 01:08:23,620
Let's go do that.

1257
01:08:23,620 --> 01:08:24,620
Okay.

1258
01:08:24,620 --> 01:08:25,620
Bye.

1259
01:08:25,620 --> 01:08:26,620
We need you to go hire a lawyer.

1260
01:08:26,620 --> 01:08:27,620
[LAUGHS]

1261
01:08:27,620 --> 01:08:29,620
Approach the Bay.

1262
01:08:29,620 --> 01:08:30,620
Approach the Bay.

1263
01:08:30,620 --> 01:08:31,620
[MUSIC PLAYING]

1264
01:08:31,620 --> 01:08:41,620
It's Caitlin's Heist.

1265
01:08:41,620 --> 01:08:42,620
Yeah.

1266
01:08:42,620 --> 01:08:43,620
I said.

1267
01:08:43,620 --> 01:08:44,620
Yeah.

1268
01:08:44,620 --> 01:08:46,620
Wow, it was really high.

1269
01:08:46,620 --> 01:08:47,620
Yeah.

1270
01:08:47,620 --> 01:08:48,620
Yeah.

1271
01:08:48,620 --> 01:08:49,620
Maybe all lower that in post.

1272
01:08:49,620 --> 01:08:50,620
Yeah.

1273
01:08:50,620 --> 01:08:51,620
God help us.

1274
01:08:51,620 --> 01:08:52,620
[LAUGHS]

1275
01:08:52,620 --> 01:08:54,620
I'll see what I can do.

1276
01:08:54,620 --> 01:08:55,620
[LAUGHS]

1277
01:08:55,620 --> 01:08:56,620
Yeah.

1278
01:08:56,620 --> 01:08:57,620
Yikes.

1279
01:08:57,620 --> 01:08:58,620
I could be cute.

1280
01:08:58,620 --> 01:08:59,620
Sound like a robot.

1281
01:08:59,620 --> 01:09:01,620
Robot.

1282
01:09:01,620 --> 01:09:03,620
As long as you make me sound like a skinny robot.

1283
01:09:03,620 --> 01:09:04,620
[LAUGHS]

1284
01:09:04,620 --> 01:09:05,620
You know?

1285
01:09:05,620 --> 01:09:07,620
I'm going to punch you.

1286
01:09:07,620 --> 01:09:08,620
Okay.

1287
01:09:08,620 --> 01:09:09,620
Right, your robot face. Pnwhauntsandhomicides.com