Hypno Nightmare Fuel - The Allagash Abductions

0:00 Hello, Twisted humans. Do you find yourself wanting to know more about the latest murder, conspiracy, cult, or haunting. Than this is the podcast for you. I'm Alicia and I'm Sierra, and this is Twisted and Uncorked. Hello, and welcome to episode one ninety five of this fear inducing podcast. We don't always induce fhere, but today we like we likely will, as I will be telling you about an alien conspiracy. I read a book for this episode, and I want to just give a quote from the introduction right off the bat. Oh goodness quote.

0:42 The two most popular quasi theological interpretations of the abduction phenomenon are the paranoid version of underground based alien devils who feast on our flesh and vital bodily fluids with the full cooperation of the government and the CIA, and the rosy tinted myth that ets are simply misunderstood space brothers who stand ready to meet us and chat with us in peace and light. These men report that permission was not asked by their captors, and both physical and psychological pain ensued. They do not seek to demonize the UFO occupants, but neither do they try to excuse what is by human moral standards, inexcusable behavior end quote. Before I get into the inexcusable behavior that is written about, we need fun facts. What do you have for me?

1:41 While I knew in advance that this episode was going to be space related, so I brought a space related fun fact. The planet. I know, it's not really the planet if it's space, but like where we exist is so cool. So scientists discovered a massive reservoir of water floating throughout space, equivalent to one hundred and forty trillion times all of the water on Earth's in Earth's oceans. So it just floats around in space and it's just a bottle of water, Just a bunch of fucking water. Yeah, like not individual droplets, like a planet that is made up of only water.

2:23 Basically, that's that's sending. Definitely where the Mermaids live. Well, we've solved the mystery, guys, we'll see you next week. No, for sure, that's where the Mermaids live. But I was like, what I know? I knew that there was water on planets, but not fucking Yeah, it's little thing. I just picture like a little like earthworm of water flat. Yeah, what is your fund? My fun fact is about pendulums. Pendulums are a great tool for tapping into your own subconscious Apparently, if you are very relaxed while holding the pendulum still, your subconscious mind will move it to answer yes or no questions that are in your brain that conscious minds can't remember.

3:11 According to medium dot com, you can use this tool to find something that you've lost, as your subconscious knows where it is, and according to this book, the technique has even been used by detectives in the past to get information from suspects or witnesses of a crime. I feel like we do not use pendulums enough in twenty twenty five, and everyone should be using this tool more. One hundred percent. That's super cool. Yeah, I've never thought of it in terms of finding something that's lost, but that's kind of brilliant. Yeah, could you. Panic about stuff when you lose it? You're like, hey, I'll retrace my steps, ky, I'll do this, and like, oh, that's yeah, I gotta try that next time I lose something.

3:56 I don't lose things very often. I have like a partial identic memory, where I can mostly picture things in my brain, but sometimes I get so adhd that I put something down and I cannot for my life remember where I put it. I was looking for my phone the other day and it was under the bath mat on the edge of the tub because I got out of the bathtub and put the bath mat back over and I left, And yeah, like it would be nice for me remembering those little ADHD spas moments like oh where did you have it last day in the bathtub? Yeah, it would be nice. But I like it. I need a pendulum too. I feel bad being in like the witchy realm of interests when I don't even have one.

4:36 I have like four and I never used a board. Right, I have the board, but I've never used them on myself. I didn't know I could use them on myself. Yeah, that's no. It's usually like an outer existence, yeah kind of interaction. So yeah, try it. Let me know how work. I definitely will, especially because you're moving soon, so you're going to be in this placed and shit all the time. Speaking of tools, today's episode pairs well with a drink I found called Sweet Dreams, and it's a great tool for helping you fall asleep and stay asleep, which you will definitely want to do if you think these things that we're gonna talk about might be happening to you at night. Also, in the picture, it's beautiful. It looks really galaxy s right. Okay, so here's the picture.

5:33 It's her photo here. Yeah, beautiful. Mine's purple. Yeah, I have the blue purple like there's blue on top. You can tell because ma Alina always floats. Yeah, it didn't separate though for some reason. That's just very cute. Oh my gosh, read it. Can you of ambitions? That's cute. It's a Dolly pardon mug. Yeah, that's very cute. Really the dollar store fucking rights, I know. The very top of it says pour myself, uh, and then it says a cup of ambitions. That's very amazing.

6:17 That's very cute. Mine is in my witches brew cup. And the reason I specifically put it in I mostly drink things that are not pretty out of cups like this or smoothies, because I have very few straw situations. But I will say I was like, oh, I failed, Sierra because mine is just purple. I just have purple fool aid over here. Yeah, it did not work. It's good though, I. Think that it's still a very pretty drink purple reminds me of space too, And uh, I put my mind in here because I thought Sierra was going to come out with a beautifully separated galaxy drink. Queen of the Bartenders over there and I'm like, I have purple drink.

7:04 Yeah. Well, the fact that it's called Sweet Dreams is also a good pairing, so it doesn't have to be galaxy esque if you can't get it there. But by the way, the ingredients, it's half a cup of tart cherry juice, one thumb of microplaned ginger, the juice of half a lime and sparkling water all mixed together, and then two ounces of coconut cream mixed with one tablespoon nope, teaspoon of powdered magnesium, which I used the Spiralina Spy Spur Speerlena Spear Realina. There we go for the blue because at. Aka are blue algae that we busted out probably one hundred episodes ago when we did the blue Raspberriesangria.

7:51 I feel like my teeth are turning blue. No, you can't tell my said, no, you're good. Yeah. You pour that over the top and it's supposed to kind of just sit on top. Mine did not sit on top. But it's fine, it's fine, It's good, delicious. I have been drinking tart cherry juice every single day before I go to bed this week. It helps me sleep, It really does. Or I'm just really tired because I've been going to the gym and working on the house. So I think that I think that something in cherries is good for like, yeah, calm your nervousness. I first saw that tart cherry juice was good for sleep on a TikTok video a long long time ago. I just never tried it until recently because a bunch of mocktails I found have art cherry juice in it.

8:35 Cherries are a natural source of melatonin. Ah, yeah, there it is. Cherries also contain trip to fan aka turkey. Guys. You know it is sleepy after eating a turkey. All right? That checks out. That's interesting, Like. Like, cherries do not have turkeys in them. I promise they're vegan. Cheer trip a fan is also, Yes, that's what I was trying to say. Yeah, but you didn't follow that thought pattern. No, And I couldn't actually find just straight cherry juice. I have cherry rats, but it's still really good.

9:15 It's still really good. You couldn't find cherry juice. I think it's because I didn't go to the fancy expensive grocery store. It wasn't like there's a wallet juice and yeah, didn't have just cherry juice. It was like cherry this and cherry with that. Did you look for tart? Yes, Okay, I don't know if they do it like alphabet learn or something. I don't know why it was super tart anyway, because mine is cherry cranberry, so yeah, it's tart. Ever since that TikTok video went viral of that girl who drank tart cherry juice and then like fell asleep instantly or whatever, said she had a really good, very popular. Now it's extreme. Like there's like eight different brands out of Walmart. It's like tart cherry juice.

9:57 And I'm like, which ones did that translated to Canada? Because I know I have it at a grocery store here, but it's expensive. So I try to Oh it is expensive. Yeah, it's like eight dollars. A bottle, but it's like, yeah, it's like pomegranate juice in that way. It's good for you. It's fine, it's worth the investment, but it is at least this way, I can use it for other cocktails. Yes, I'll call it a win because cranberry is good and everything, but it is super tart. I don't think I don't know what I didn't add enough of. But if I'm making this space throughout it, it's just because I'm getting a little nap of tart. It's still really good though. I like it. It's so good. I love it. But I also, again, like I just said, have been drinking chart cherry juice every night, so I might just be used to it.

10:37 You love your cherries. I do love cheerries. So anyway, you all listeners go get your drinks ready while we listen to this promo from the Last Trip, and then we will get into the story. You ready, here we go. In nineteen seventy eight, six year old Jim Wiener fell at his own Listen, get it out. Because the word Wiener penis testicles. It's gonna be said a lot tonight. Okay, you can't just brush over. And because it made me think of that episode of Friends when Rachel's like we on the phone after her pediatrician kicks them off, like fires them because she keeps calling like a crazy person. Sorry, that's where my brain went.

11:29 As you continue, twenty six year old Jim Wiener fell at his home and sustained brain damage. He recovered from this incident, but ever since then, he had been experiencing strange aches, pains, and nightmares. He probably needed a Sweet Dreams mocktail. Yeah, I'm really hoping this will mean I don't have nightmares tonight. Here's open. He felt sick to his stomach at random times, would have chest pains, side pains and numbness, and vivid nightmares that he felt were more real than normal dreams. He had been going to many doctors, including a doctor at the Harvard University Medical School Department of Neurology and a neuro epilepsy nurse specialist at Beth Israel Hospital in Boston.

12:16 Jim was diagnosed with temporolimbic epilepsy, which has symptoms that include deja vu, disassociated states with out of body experiences, panic attacks, chest pains, and hallucinations. However, at least the two doctors that I just mentioned do not believe that TL is the only thing responsible for the nightmares that Jim had expressed to them before even hearing that he had once seen a UFO, his doctors suggested that he go to a Muffon event mutual UFO network and ask for advice from a ufologist. And so he went to a symposium and met Ray Fowler.

13:04 How does one become a ufologist? Like? How do I apply for this job? And them qualified? You know, you gotta go talk to the blank two guy? Trapis Smith? All right? Noted, well, do I'll get her out? Have his people call my people? Yeah, exactly. Talking to ufologist Ray Fowler brought up memories for Jim that he didn't realize he had. Eventually, Jim and the friends who had that UFO siding with him underwent hypnosis to undercover the things that they had suppressed in their minds. It's important to know that none of them remembered these things before hypnosis, and that they claimed and promised not to speak to each other in between hypnosis sessions so that one friend could not poison the other's minds. First, let's meet our victims. Jim and Jack Weener are identical twins brothers who were born in October of nineteen fifty two in Pennsylvania. They were movie typical twins who did everything together, liked all the same things, invented their own language, and felt that they had twin telepathy.

14:15 They enjoyed the outdoors as kids with strict but loving parents who quote provided the most loving environment possible end quote. However, they did live in a seemingly haunted house there is Jack and Jim mentioned Harry the Ghost somewhat nonchalantly during their discussion with Ray. When asked to explain further, Jim said that he would hear voices at night and hear weird music that sounded like a drum beating slowly. He also thought he could hear someone calling out his name and knocking on the walls. Absolutely not. Jack said his first interaction with Harry the Ghost was when he a scary looking monster, was floating next to Jack's bed and eventually pulled the covers down to look at five year old Jack before vanishing into thin air.

15:09 He remembered wanting to scream, but not being able to. Okay, I have to pause right here because the entire time I read this book, I just kept thinking something similar has happened to me. This is bringing up a memory for me, I think this happened to me, so I specifically, I have always remembered this. None of my parents like every time I say it, they're like, oh, you were just being dramatic or whatever. We used to think that something was pulling the covers off my blankets. We made an entire thing of it. We used to say that a man and a woman lived in a house we lived in with a dog, and the man hung himself. There was this arch in our house. Were like, the man hung himself right there, and the dog died too, and then the woman died of heartbreak. None of that happened.

15:54 None of that. That was just the story we made up to explain. I don't know whatever we thought was happening. We used to say that the dog was biting the blanket and pulling it off of. Us at night. But I don't know if that actually happened or if that's just what I remember because we were little kids talking crap like. I don't know, but this freaked me out. I might interject like this a couple of times because there's a couple of things I'm like, wait a minute, wait a minute, this sounds familiar to Welcome to Sierra's childhood trauma. Oh my god, I think I need hypnosis. Also don't want it, don't want it. Okay, I need it, but I don't want to know. I don't want to know. No, thank you.

16:36 I don't think I've been drinking tarcherry juice for a week. Okay, depends on what you are. I don't know if I want to. Don't bring me into that world of trauma. In other instances, Jack also remembered hearing the knocking, the voices, and even footsteps. He said that his feet would be grabbed, his covers pulled, doors would open and close on their own, electronics would go on or off, and objects would move on their own. At first, the twins said their parents would just comfort them and say it was a bad dream. Eventually, though, their mom would say something like, oh, it's just Harry the ghost again. He will go away. They slept in their mom's bed for a long time because they were scared at night. Guess who slept in her mom's bed until I was in sixth grade? Why the fuck did I do that? Sixth grade?

17:35 Yeah, that's why people all the time. Oh, I like every time I say it, I'm like, I know I'm weird, Like, that's why I don't. I don't. I don't sleep good in a bed by myself at all ever anymore. Even after that, me and my sister shared a bed until I graduated high school. Like, not even kidding. I always need to be touching another person when I'm sleeping, Like if Jesse doesn't come home or is out of town or whatever, I sleep with the kids, I'm going to my bed. So if you come visit me, ever, am I just gonna have to get like a bunch of squish mellows ready, just build a body for you. Yeah?

18:18 But why don't by myself deep rooted stuff in my brain? Maybe you have un dealt with trauma because you were like peaked at by a floating alien person. Oh my god, it gets so much worse than being peaked at. Okay, I want to. I'm scared. I don't want to, not like aliens. The ufologist asked the twins mother about Harry, and she confirmed the events and even claimed to see a ghost who was humanoid, glowingly white in a long robe and seemed to float right out of their closed door after being spotted by her and her husband in their bedroom.

19:05 Gross crazy and she was Catholic. She's like, oh yeah, I saw that fucking ghost. Yes, She's like, oh yeah, sure, normal night here at her house happens all the time. The twins stopped seeing Harry the Ghost at age fifteen, when Jack's final paranormal experience occurred. A glowing yellow orb of light floated right into his kitchen window where he was passed him through the house and then out another window. Okay, Harry the Ghost wasn't the only paranormal thing that the twins experienced as kids, though. Jim had experienced at least one lost time instance as a child that he could remember.

19:48 He was sledding out on a hill and specifically remembered leaving as soon as the sun started to set because he knew he would be in trouble if he wasn't home for dinner, but somehow he was still very late. Another weird, maybe paranormal thing that Jim recalled from childhood was actually something he couldn't remember. His whole family remembered the time that he went missing when he was young. He had been outside playing in the snow and fell into a utility hole of some kind, where he was eventually found almost frozen to death. Maybe his brain blocked it out because it was too traumatic, but he says he cannot remember it no matter how hard he tries.

20:33 Oh After Catholic grade school in public high school, the twins. The twins went on to college, Jim at Mansfield State College and Jack at Massachusetts College of Art, where he met friends Chuck and Charlie, who would of course be Jim's friends as well. Chuck Rack was born in January of nineteen forty nine to a wealthy family in Massachusetts. His dad, though, was abusive and his mom was alcoholic. Because of the wealth and likely the guilt, Chuck's dad took him to extravagant places as a teen, like England and Germany and Italy. It's Chuck from Gossip Girl. Chuck also seemed to have a bit of a paranormal childhood, though not nearly as active as the twins. He only remembered the scary encounters from the ages of four to six.

21:25 He said he would feel a presence in his room at night sometimes and thought he'd see little people that were all white. He didn't know what they were doing in his room, but he'd just go and sleep with his parents. When he got scared. He also had a curious experience with a move on investigator at the age of twenty five in nineteen seventy four. He was in Vermont that year during a snowstorm when he saw on the end covered in blood, walking down the side of the road. He took the dazed man to the hospital, where he made a full recovery, and Chuck checked in on him at the hospital for a time. That is when he learned that the man was a move on investigator and was in the area investigating a strange occurrence at a farm with crop circles and men in black.

22:14 But that's a whole nother episode for another day. Okay, this guy crashed his car, That's why he was bloody. He's fine, but definitely unsettling timing m H like, thanks, can't you see that we're going through some shit right now? Could you not have crashed your car? Next Tuesday? Our final victim is Charlie. Charlie Fulks was born in January of nineteen fifty in Pennsylvania, but was raised on a farm in Ohio. He had a happy, mundane childhood, working on the farm with his dad and then working on water pumps for the community with his dad. When he was old enough, he joined the Navy for a four year stint disposing of radioactive waste from the military's nuclear program. Charlie never experienced anything paranormal in his life until the incident that we are going to talk about today.

23:07 But he did want to see something that he thought might have been a UFO while he was in the Navy. It was during a classified mission, so he couldn't give much information away, but it was in nineteen seventy near Spain. He and the other crew saw a glowing orb type thing hovering over them for a while before taking off, as if it were just observing for a bit. All right, So now let's get into the incident at hand, the Alligash incident. I already don't like the name. Just well, Aligash is a place in Maine. Well, it's an unfortunate name for the disturbing things we were talking about. Okay, it is.

23:47 It is a little bit gash, yeah, Jack, Jack, Jim, Chuck, and Charlie planned a camping trip to the Alligash in Maine in nineteen seven. The trip was for multiple days of camping as well as hiking canoeing and fishing for their food. During the trip. They drove all through the night Friday the twentieth to get started on their adventure on Saturday. The trip started out great. They recuperated Saturday, hiked all day Sunday, rode one of the boat plane things that like take you. You know, it's like a boat. I mean, it's a plane, but it lands on the water.

24:27 I don't know what it's called, pontoon something anyway over to the pond. It is like a party boat. Yeah, that's what I thought. Yeah, but they. Said something any okay, whatever, y'all know what it looks like. They did that on Monday and then spent the day Tuesday in the canoe. Tuesday night, the four friends, along with many other campers were at the campsite and noticed a strange ball of light in the sky. It was so bright there for just a minute and then blinked out of sight. Everyone at the campsite, including strangers, seemed to be mesmerized by the ridiculously bright light while it was there, pointing at it and talking about it, But once it was gone, everyone went about their night, assuming it must have been a planet that was visible for just a bit like sometimes they are. This was fact checked later on, though, and it was most likely not a planet. There was a planet that was scheduled to be visible that night, but not that bright and not at the time that the four that these four and the other campers reported seeing that light. So weird anyway.

25:35 The next day was Wednesday, and the weather had turned bad. It rained all day long and allowed them to just relax at the camp site, but they wanted to stick to their itinerary and were a bit stressed that they couldn't canoe out to their next fishing hole. Thursday, the twenty sixth, was sunny and beautiful, so they headed out early. They needed fish this day to replenish their storage, but they weren't having any luck catching anything. Thursday night, they decided to try their luck at night. Fishing out in the wilderness surrounded by black waters at night would be dangerous, though, so they made it eight So they made a huge fire, probably bigger than they should have if they were being forest fire safe, but big enough that they would know the way back to their campsite when they were done fishing.

26:28 All four of them piled into just one canoe for this excursion. As well because safety and numbers. While trying to find a spot out on the water, they saw that big ball of light again, the one from Tuesday. The moon was new with only two percent visibility on this day, so it couldn't have been the moon, which is something I researched myself because I was like, is it the moon? Though it's not, I mean makes sense. I would also just like to point out that sea plays are what we were looking for. The words called a seaplane lane. That's super lame. Wow, Okay.

27:08 I really felt like I needed to correct us before somebody yelled. Also, I called the drummer from Blank twenty to Travis Smith at the beginning of this. His name is Travis Barker. I feel as though I needed to protect us. So I don't think Travis Barker is the you don't think UFO one though, you don't think so. I don't think it's Travis Barker. I know Travis and Blank twenty two. I don't know if it's a Travis. It's the drummer though, right. No, I don't think it isn't Travis Barker, the one that married the Kardashian That's not the UFO guy. Why are you talking about blank? What? Because hang on, let me see which one is a blank? UFI, Tom DeLong.

27:53 Oh it's not the drummer. It's not the drummer. Okay. Oh, okay, that's even better. I know Cheviisberger can't be trusted. He's with a Well, that's what I was like, that's interesting, Like, I guess you could have a wide range of interests, not that. Wide, and you have mouse. Come on, I don't know you've met Amanda Goodness, right, that's very true. She's the exception. No one else is allowed, no one else. Okay. So Chuck saw the light first and he was immediately transfixed by it. He said it was like a pulsating fluid or plasma all around the sphere, changing colors from red to green to yellow, hovering motionless and without sound.

28:49 Eventually the others turned and noticed as well, saying it was about the size of a house. Charlie, the military man held up a large flashlight for the group. Sorry, held the large flashlight for the group and decided to signal at the thing. And then suddenly it began coming straight towards them, turning on a beam of light that emanated from the bottom of the speed of the sphere like a triangle all the way to the water. The twins and Charlie were terrified and began paddling the twins with just their arms as fast as they could towards their fire on shore. Chuck, though, was still transfixed and what seemed like a literal blink of an eye. The canoe was at shore and the men were watching the weird ball of light float away until it blinked out, just like the thing from Tuesday? Did you people because of I am not doing any of this on purpose?

29:53 Blankuai? She was not in my notes that the second time, I was like, she's doing this not at all. Find another adjective, nor your stories are always wonderful, But I'm just like that has to actually, you know what. I've noticed a lot of serendipity though, and stuff that we talk about on the sides and stuff that it just works fine. It does. The four friends now at shore were very calm and very exhausted, maybe in shock. They noticed that the fire was pretty much out, which was weird considering they had been on the water for only like thirty minutes.

30:33 But they just wanted to sleep. And didn't talk about it again until twelve years later, when Jim found Ray Fowler at the convention and convinced his friend to let Ray investigate what was happening in his nightmares and if it was related to their sighting. Spoiler alert, it was. So this is another thing that I I have told you guys before that I'm pretty sure I had a ufosiding. But every time I tell it, I realized in the moment and even say, like, anyway, we just didn't talk about it after that. I don't know why. Why did we not talk about it after Like? What the fuck happened?

31:17 Abnormal drive? So like we weren't even driving, we were walking. No, Oh, I was talking about when you were with Jesse and that big shadow came over you guys. Oh yeah, no, that one, that one we talked about. No, me and my friend when we saw the thing that was Yeah, listen, Okay, for some reason, we're just like, oh, that just happened. Okay, let's pretend like it didn't and never talked about it again. I mean, I can't say I blame you, like otherwise you have to process it or keep listening. Oh no, So let's talk about their hypnosis sessions. Each friend underwent hypnosis separately and without the others present. Some of them underwent more than one session. Chuck's session was the shortest. Remember he was the one who claimed to be mesmerized in the canoe. But the author of this book later characterized Chuck as a macho man type, and I think that sums it up perfectly. Even under hypnosis, when he's talking about everything that happened, he seemed to me to be very matter of fact. This is what happened.

32:25 I don't have any feelings about it. Charlie, on the other hand, was very nervous for his session, and even during his session he told what he remembered, but he did it with a lot of metaphors, kind of like he was disassociating in a way that would make it more sensible. Jack and Jim, though, they went all in, all the way, relaxed, all the way, opened up. After piecing together what happened from each individual account, I read from the book, this is the gist. Okay, this is a very long book. I'm not going to read every single. Person's I don't know if I want to read. Well, you told me to. Look at look at, Look at look at my.

33:06 Oh ship, no book, no book SMR sticky note edition. I will read it. I will definitely read it. Maybe I'll steal it from you next time I see you, and uh, at least. Read my notes. I made like little scared sad faces on a bunch of spots because I was like, I don't want to read this. You need to keep that list so funny. In one of these one of the I literally wrote, oh, where's it. I don't know how far I got into the book, but in one of these notes, on one of the there it is, I just thought, oh, that's not it either. Anyway. In one of these spots, I wrote, was I abducted? Like what the fuck?

34:01 So no, I'm excited anyway. I'll read the page and they'll be like, oh yeah, yeah, I'm renting that one from the Library of Sierra. I don't want the generic version. You have to get the annated one with all the scared sad faces. That's cute. Everywhere, that was really cute. I have a bunch of underlines. But when I was like, this entire paragraph scares me, I just put a scared sad. Face, like, oh my god, that's pretty accurate. Your face just made the accurate face for that. I YouTube watchers. If my camera changed, I apologize. I kicked my desk and my webcam went awry. This is closest I'm I get it. The four friends went onto the water to fish, but before they even started, they saw the UFO. Then they sicknubble it. It shot down a beam and they started paddling as fast as they could away from it.

35:00 After hypnosis, they finally remembered they did not escape that beam. It encapsulated them in its light. They all described this. As like a tube or a tunnel, but being inside of it was different for each of them. Chuck said that he was getting drawn I look ridiculous with my headphones on, but oh yeah, I cared, you should be. Chuck said that he was getting drawn up towards the ball, but couldn't explain how. Jim said he didn't like the feeling of being in the tube. It looked like it was moving, like when you blow smoke into light and it reflects it.

35:41 Oh yeah, that's a very good descriptor well done, sir. I picture that immediately. Charlie described basically being beamed up, saying that he could see the canoe still on the water way down below him. Absolutely not. Jack said that the tube was like glass, but not glass, and that it made him feel funny and come apart. Quote. I'm screaming and my eyes are open real wide, and my mouth is open real wide, and my tongue is sticking out, and my ears are coming off, and I feel like I'm thick. I feel like I'm thick. End quote. I don't what. I don't like that.

36:22 No, I don't like any of this. I thought I liked aliens. I thought we were friends. When I say I feel like I'm thick, it's like I'm having a blody day, not whatever. Whatever this is. Once they were up on the UFO, the four men felt paralyzed, but were one at a time inspected by the beings who inhabited it. They all four described the beings in almost the same way. Humanoid with arms and legs, big heads, small necks, four fingers that were kind of claw machine like, sheen, full body suits.

37:04 They had large, black eyes that were described as being bug like or almond shaped, dark or black or the shiny color of a beetle. Hate that they had no eyelids, but some inner membrane thing that sort of came together in a blinking motion like frogs or birds. I hate that the most. They said. Either there were no ears or just holes for ears, or just small bumps no nose or small bump as a nose or small holes for a nose, and no mouth. You knowle colored voltemore like this is terrifying. And no mouth or just a slit line as a mouth like a turtle.

37:47 Oh, every part of that that's basically black. No, I don't want to see. No, this wasn't their drawing. But I basically basically you gotta send a picture of that for. Oh, I'll send I'll show you all of their drawings if you want it. You got to send me pictures for the post. Hate it. Yeah, all of them are creepy, the sad yes. And terrify the rest of our list. And they said the beings didn't ever talk to each other, but did make head moving and hand moving gestures that seems like they were talking and understanding each other. They also said that even though the beings never talked to them, they did things that the beings wanted them to do, including forgetting all of this, because they just really felt like the beings wanted them to do certain things, and if they didn't it would be bad.

38:48 Okay. One of the things that beings wanted them to do one by one was get undressed completely naked. Why are they so permy and like interested in the human body? Quote they made me take it off. I just got the impression that if I didn't do that, I was going to be in trouble. End quote. All four men remembered getting undressed and seeing each other get undressed. They also remembered as they got undressed and then inspected, the other three just sat on a bench and didn't help. But they also remember being on the bench and feeling paralyzed and not being able to help. Okay, that's sad. So like at first they're like, why are my friends helping me? And then they're like, oh wait, now I'm sitting down and I can't help.

39:33 I want to. Help, but I can't help. Yeah. I don't like that. That's like sleep paralysis, Like yes, awake, but you can't think. Your sweet dreams. Don't wake up. Don't wake up tonight. I hope I don't. No, thank you. Jack said that they lifted his head up by the chin, really far and inspected his neck. When the being touched his wrist, he said, it felt like caterpillars. It doesn't get better, it doesn't get better. They lifted his arm up and inspected it. They used some sort of metal rod to scrape and scoop under his arms, the backs of his knees and his calves, and between his thighs.

40:22 Then they walked him over to a machine that seems like it was in a doctor's office. The machine was over top of Jack, sort of like a tray, just above his chest, which meant that it couldn't really see what was happening to the lower part of his body. Yeah, but he could feel it. Quote they're touching my penis. They put something on it. I can feel it. It's going in. I don't like it. I'm peeing. I can't stop. It's hurting. End Quote what a catheine that poor man. Oh. Next, he stood up again and felt that the beings were telling him everything would be okay. Quote they're putting something in me up my ass. It burns. It's like an enema. But no, it's not so bad. They're saying it's not so bad, and I'm saying, okay, it's not so bad. End quote. So they're like hurting him and they're like this doesn't hurt, This doesn't hurt, and he's like, ow oh, it doesn't hurt. It doesn't hurt. Like they're like hypnotizing him. In Jim's hypnosis session, he said that the beings seemed interested in the fact that he and Jack looked exactly alike. He also remembered watching these things happen to his brother Jack, so like first one of them was questioned, and then the other one was and the other one not sorry, not questioned, but under hypnosis. Yeah, the other one would say I saw this and this and this happened to him, when he just said I

41:54 saw this and this and this happened to me, you know what I mean, Like they're collaborating. Yeah, that's crazy. See, most of what happened to Jack happened to Jim as well, the same things with the arms. Then they inspected his genitals. The hypnotist asked Jim what it felt like when the beings touched him, and Jim said, like bugs, it's so bad. It's so bad. Bugs's immediately out that they have beetle like skin. I hate it. It's just it's disgusting. And if you think about the representation of a giant alien head on a skinny neck, it's kind of like an ant, It's like a bug.

42:42 They're like bugs. I'm gonna vomit. It's disgusting. I'm sorry, aliens, I think I don't know, maybe I'm not. Maybe your assholes. Yeah, well you're non consenting but putting up things right now, I'm so frezzeled. Oh. Also, like what probing stories do we ever hear that's like consensual? But also yeah. Yeah, family doesn't like it either, Guys, I. Know he won't shut it. So Jim wasn't compliant at first, and he said that the beings poked him in his ribs when he didn't listen. Eventually, Jim was also walked to the table like Jack was. He said they kept touching his penis like they wanted him to get an erection and give a sperm sample, but he was too grossed out. Yeah, eventually he told them or thought toward them, he can just do it himself, and he did. He gave them a sperm sample. So remember Jim.

43:49 So he masturbated in front of aliens. This is what you're telling me. He did right into a test tube. Oh, I mean that's really the lesser of the two evils in that situation. Yeah, because if it feels like bugs, how can you, like, you know, is this on the cockroach? I'm not sure. Oh, good thought. Every time you say like bugs, it's like a visceral reaction of my body. Like I don't know how you got through this book. I literally I feel difficult moment every time you say those words. Yeah, okay, but I just want to point out that this is happening in nineteen seventy six. Jim did not have his fall which caused TLEE until two years later in nineteen seventy eight, and then two years after that is when he started dreaming about weird things. So this is not a oh, this is all a hallucination because you have tl He didn't fall for two more years.

44:53 No, I think he had repressed trauma that that after his fall recessed. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, he did let slip during his hypnosis that he believes he was visited again in nineteen eighty. But we'll get to that in a little bit. First, we need to talk about what happened to Chuck and Charlie. Oh, do we have to There's four of them. It was horrible. I'm so sorry for you. It is horrible. When it was Charlie's turn for hypnosis, it was hard for him to remember much because he was scared in the actual moment. He remembered not wanting to open his eyes while he was being observed by the beings in the UFO. Thankfully, he did at least a few times, and the hypnotist was able to get a lot out of those times as well as his feelings.

45:40 He remembered seeing the examination of both Jack and Jim, and then after much deep, deep relaxation, he finally remembered being examined himself. He said the beings took skin samples, swabbed his mouth, took blood from his neck, took urine, feces, hair, fingernail and tony clippings. He said. They scraped the insides of his thighs and his groin, probed his testicles, and examined his penis, taking a swab there as well. Of what I don't know. I mean, this is an uncomfortable thing in a medical setting as it is. Yeah, but this is non consensual.

46:21 You're not knowing what's happening, and it's like bug like people like. Yeah, this is like a fucking monsters awful. In Chuck's account, his penis is also greatly examined. Quote. They just seem very interested in that part of my body. They're looking at it intensely. They put more light on it. They it's almost like something fluttering, like a butterfly. It's coming down. Something oozes from my penis. They take it away. End. Quote Again with the bugs, why do they all mention bugs?

47:01 Because that's like, the only thing is humans we have that's similar enough to like. But the thing that freaks me out is if if they're all mentioning it, it's gotta be true aliens feel like bugs. That's gross. Well all aliens though, right, Like you gotta think of like different. The ocean aliens, right, the ones that look like they're wearing wetsuits, I'll take that, Yeah, the ones that are probably octopuses, the ones that are scale free. You read remarkably bright creatures. Right, No, not yet? Oh my god, it's cute. I want to read it. It is so cute. And if aliens are like that, that's what I want.

47:46 Kiddy, put my vote in on what type of alien ducks me, he thinks so much. Please please. Chuck then remembers being taken to the bench and watching all of his friends have things done to done to them that they've already described. Chuck must have been the first one to be examined. He was also the one that was like transfixed, so like maybe he was being hypnotized that entire time, like it's. Okay, special connection. Yeah. Yeah. After the examinations are over, they remember being escorted back toward the tube thing and then going through it and being back in the canoe, which was now near the edge of the shore. The beings told each of them not to remember the incidents that had just occurred, and that seems to be why they didn't discuss it when they got back. Also, the fire they had built was almost out because they had been inside the UFO for hours.

48:43 Yeah. Also like full body examinations, but in one spot. Yeah. During the hypnosis sessions, the hypnotists asked leading questions at the end in order to know where to take the questioning to next time. They asked Chuck if he had ever seen the entities before, and this is how we learned of his childhood quote unquote ghost that I explained earlier, not a ghost after all. That's somehow worse to know that they can float over you like that. Yeah, I'm out on every single part of this. It still gets worse on here. Jim's paranormal events were also examined deeper under hypnosis. He was able to remember the time he fell into the hole and also remembered that while he was down there, the beings were up above, just looking down at him. He didn't say that they put him there though, just that they watched as he begged them without words for help. It's possible that they did put him there as a way to explain the fact that he was missing when they realized that people were looking for him. Maybe he just can't remember what they did to him before he ended up in the hole because their memory erasure or whatever they do worked better in this incident.

50:00 Thing. You did not talk about it with anyone. Yeah. He also remembered why he had missing time after the sledding trip when he was about ten years old, and that one he remembered a lot from so as he was walking home, he saw UFO and then was pulled up by it. Quote. I think it really beamed I think it pulled me somehow. It's just a feeling of a suddenly exploding, like it was pulling me apart, and then I was inside of something. End quote. So it's like, you know how when you watch like I don't know, any space show in it, it looks like particle movement. Yeah, but literally like they're describing yet not like you're floating like you are. You're particles making apart and going yeah, I don't like it. I don't like that either.

50:51 I think that I thought that that's what happened when you got beamed up, because sometimes in movies when you get beamed up from a light, it's like you're. Like, yeah, I like it better when they're just like cows. And the like yeah, flying cows. Flying cows. I'm good with that. He said, presumably inside the UFO that they put him on a table, took off his clothes, and did something to his chest. That quote hurts like hell. Makes my chest feel like it's going to explode, like something is inside of me. End quote. After that, the beings looked at his arms and wrists, touched his penis, examined the inside of his legs, knees toes, as if they were looking for something, and then they put something into the back of his head like a needle. He said, it felt like a burning pressure, and then they let him go.

51:43 This is when he was ten years old. So not only are the scary bug like creatures that are making me feel like I want involvement, but now other pedophiles. Essentially, yeah, not only are they which also make me one involvement. So not only are they sexually assaulting adults, they're also pedophilic. So the hypnotists also asked each of the men under hypnosis if they could remember seeing the beings after the Alligash incident. Charlie remembered what he thought was a dream he had in nineteen eighty nine about the same beings coming into Jack's house when he was staying the night there.

52:26 But Charlie said after seeing them, he just went back to sleep. They were there for Jack, not him. He's like, sorry, friend, this is about you. This is between you and the aliens. Chuck never had another experience, however, his wife told him that once in the middle of the night, she got creeped out by a bright light and Chuck sleepily told her to just relax. It's only the aliens no longer. A comforting statement. Yeah. Jack continues to have what he thought were dreams about the aliens, which of course turn out to be objections, and they continue to probe and prod him. This time it's done with a rod that he says is made of crystal or maybe water, but hard water. They put it in his eye, his nose, his mouth, and it tastes like when you have tinfoil in your mouth, which is just cringey as fuck, like goose bumps, you know, like likeugh.

53:28 Did by allowed to leave? I have to be here for the rest of this episode. You have to, Oh, okay. As soon as soon as you said it in his eye, I was already out and then you added like tinfoil, and I'm like, what is that? What is that? What my eyes? I'm not crying if anyone's watching this, I'm just very distressed. He remembers that they took his wife up to the UFO as well. No, he said that when they were taken it was not like they were taken out of the house. They were taken straight up through the roof. And his wife Mary, remember I remember seeing Jack go straight through a door once. So Mary was hypnotized then his wife, but she could never relax enough to find what they told her to forget in her mind, So the hypnotists suggested using the pendulum method.

54:22 Ah, like a true lady, we have a hard time relaxing our brains sometimes, yeah. Which allowed her to talk to her own subconscious. In doing so, she learned that there are things in her mind that she could remember if she tried hard enough. She was taken on board a UFO where she and Jack had things done to them for more than three hours, but not more than four, because you can only ask yes or no. So she said, was it more than one hour? Was it more than two? Three? Was it more than four? It's a process to get through, a right through. But I think that's part of why it would benefit working through your subconscious, because something do you have have to evault? Like layer those Why can't I speak? I'm so sorry.

55:05 You all know what I'm trying to say. Yeah, your layers, Yeah, of all of your layers, all your layers. Peel them back one at a time. Her dreams in which she sees deer with really big eyes next to her bed are actually where those memories are hidden. That is what the aliens covered the bad memories with so basically anytime she thinks about being abducted or anytime she is abducted. Instead, they're like, alls you see is a deer in your bedroom. You're dreaming about a deer in your bedroom, which is cute and also creepy. Any further experiences in Jack and Mary's house were pretty heavily hidden away.

55:54 In Jack's mind, he remembers the aliens visiting him in what he believes were his dreams and basically telling him to stop telling ray what they were doing or else it would cause harm. So he's still having dreams while he's meeting with the ufologists, and the aliens are like, stop fucking talking about us, bro, stop telling the upologist about us. Why would they Why would they care about what you're sharing if apparently it will cause harm? If they were friendly, you know what I mean? Like that feels like, oh I don't I but why have so many other people's alien interactions not been this scary?

56:41 Because they're telling you to just like when they were like, it doesn't hurt, it doesn't hurt. They're telling you we're friendly, we're friendly, and you're believing it. This is another reason why I'm scared I got abducted. Is this why I like aliens because they told me to like them. Like, what the fuck's fine? Should I put Sheldon outside tonight as like an offering? Like an offering? I have listen, they signaled to the UFO and got abducted. Do not do any signaling. Okay, that's true. I was thinking you would be like when you hang like a flag outside, You're like, you flag like a Pride flag. I'm just putting an outside.

57:30 Oh my god, I'm. Okay with you. I'm not comparing people on the lgb q T spectrum to aliens, just to be clear, but you know you're. Also we're not okay with aliens doing this. We just also don't want it done to us. Yeah, correction, Yeah, I'm willing to sacrifice Sheldon for myself. The blow up doll. As soon as they stick him with something, they're like, why why. You do flag? Where did he go? He doesn't have a penis. I need to make fun because I can't be. All to do because this is the really scary part again, Okay.

58:13 Jim had many more experiences after the Algash incident, including the dreams that led him to finding Ray Fowler at the UFO Symposium. The aliens followed him everywhere Jim traveled for work, and through hypnosis, he was able to recall them visiting him all over America, Boston, Texas, and even California, always while he was sleeping. His visits weren't really I'm sorry, his encounters weren't really abductions, though they were visits. Quote. I felt something like a small animal walking on my bed. I thought it was a cat. I realized my head was on the bed, but the rest of my body was floating at a forty five degree angle. There was this no ah wah wah wah wah, and Jesus Christ, there was this thing. I got the impression that there was another dimension there, that there was some kind of cut in dimensions, that I was coexisting with this veil type thing. I remember my legs being in the air and it was doing something to my genitals. The thought that went through my mind was it was trying to have intercourse with me. This is absolutely crazy. I can't believe this end quote. So they're fucking raping him? There was He just got alien.

59:34 They're like the dolphins of the galaxy, but Are they in the ocean. Are they just dolphins or adians? Dolphins are dolphins? Aliens? What is happening? Bad aliens are dolphins? The good aliens are octopied? Is this why I always like dolphins? When I was little, I used to collect dolphins. Oh my god, you know, having a crisp feel, I feel like we're on life. Grisis shout out, yeah, right, like quarter life, Grasis. I'm stressed out. Not only does my face hurt from laughing, but I'm stressed out, like this is the weirdest my body has ever felt.

1:00:20 This kind of thing happened many times. These were the dreams quote unquote that led Jim to seeking help from first a neurodoctor, then as suggested by a ufologist. After all the visiting, these four victims still deal with this reality every day. Chuck had multiple strangers on his property in nineteen ninety that couldn't be explained or had terrible excuses for being there, including an unmarked helicopter hovering overhead real men in black type. Jack was there with him for some of these experiences. Chuck has since lost contact with the other three now he didn't interview twenty sixteen.

1:01:01 In which he said he was lying about it all. However, he and all three men did do a polygraph in nineteen ninety three and pass them. Not that those are super hard to fake, but it would seem hard for all four of them to lie and say the same things. Charlie has a lasting pocket like scoop scar on the inside of his thigh. He believes that he was visited again in nineteen ninety five and underwent hypnosis with another ufologist, but another story for another day. He now travels and talks on panels at Muffon events. Jack had a weird growth removed from his leg in nineteen eighty one that the doctors couldn't identify and actually sent off for testing at the Air Force, even though Jack had never been in the military, the Air Force doctor said. The Air Force doctor said they were just helping out because the state hospitals were backed up. It's not a big deal.

1:01:58 Sure, sure. He and his wife Mary were also are also hearing humming or buzzing sounds randomly everywhere they go. Hey, guess who else does that? Fucking me? Dude? Maybe it's tonight, is it's yeah? Aliens? Okay, you need to go to a therapist after this, I know, I feel like you need to go talk with them, but I'm scared too. I know, I love you. I'm sorry. He and Jim did an interview in twenty fifteen, and Jim also mentioned hearing the hum Both twins still get visits at nights sometimes, but they feel differently about them.

1:02:42 Jim says he wakes up in the middle of the night he can sometimes feel a malevolent presence. Absolutely not. He was fucking raped, so I get the malevolous. That's malevolence. Yeah. The definition of Jack. On the other hand, said quote, last time they visited, they showed me our galaxy and said there was this advanced civilization there who get energy from unconditional love. And he touched me, and I felt love, like, is. Not unconditional love. It's just like to make this announcement on our ship right now, not unconditional love, this abuser talk.

1:03:24 And he touched me, and I felt love like you love your wife or you love your mother. But time's a kajillion And he said to me, you're ready, And I said, what am I ready for? And he said, when the time comes, you will know. And then I woke up and I cried, yeah, I wi well when he was saying it, he said he cried happy tears, yeah, Jim. Jim is like, I'm being fucking raped and this is terrifying. Jack is like, this is awesome. They're showing the full twin test experience. They're like, let's see how they react to two different They're just fucking doing a twin study.

1:04:11 It's so weird. So that's that. That's the Allagash abduction. I have to tell you about this picture. Okay. So I read this whole book cover to cover, like the whole thing. I read all of it all right. On this one random page, there's a picture with a little caption here. Okay, then and I circled it and wrote, what because nowhere in this entire book, cover to cover, nowhere is the mentioned No. This is a photo of four people standing and one person down here on the ground, which I'll show you closer in a second. And it says the Alligash four plus one from left to right in the back, Charlie Foltz, Chuck Rack, and the Wiener Twins.

1:05:00 Seated man came out of the woods, stayed for a while, left and never gave his name. What what the actual fuck. What's happening here? He just came out. He just came out for a photo. Is he an alien? Is he from the future, the past? Who the fuck is he? Look it, that's look a lot older than them, one of them in the future. And he's just like blipped back to be like, what's up.

1:05:42 I don't understand, and it's not. They don't talk about this. Picture at all in this fucking three hundred and forty seven page book. I love there, what. I don't I don't know this. This is the Algash Abductions, Undeniable Evidence of Alien Intervention by Raymond E. Fowler. And this is a scary book, but it was an adventure. For sure, so was this episode. My goodness, send me a picture of that picture as well, with your caption in the bottom, because fuck, that's funny.

1:06:27 Oh my god, that's. Just like out of all of the horrors that happened throughout this book. And then they're like, oh, yeah, we met this guy. This random fucking dude, no one knows his name. He just sat in front of us. Yeah, he was just like, oh, you guys are taking a photo, okay. Why It's like, you don't want to be rude when you're taking photos, especially when you don't know people, but you want to take photos with like your people too, And this was one of those moments where they are like, well, I guess you're just here. Yeah, and it's fucking nineteen seventy four, so it's not like they have we got limited photos.

1:07:09 We got a phone, we can take a whole bunch. Yeah, oh no, they had that. It was like before the wind and snaps that we had. Yeah, they probably asked that guy to take the picture and he was like I got this and like set it up and then was like. He like misunderstood right right, tutting it out there, Like what do we say? They don't want to be rude. Like the other thing is. Seated man came out of the woods, I know, stayed for a while, left, never gave his name.

1:07:50 I even underlined that part, like how seated man came out of the woods. What the fuck was he doing in the woods? Where did he go? He did he go back into the woods? What? Oh, maybe he's Boo Boo from the past. You know what that checks out. It's insane for those that have zero idea what I'm talking about. Boo boo is the bush man, And I know that's offensive of a term that's here doesn't like when I use it. That we run into when we've gone camping at Pacific Beach. He always gives us a beer. He always offers us this newspaper.

1:08:36 He's a very nice man. We didn't see him last year. I hope he's okay, But what the fuck? Yeah, what to the fuck? I'm really glad you brought that up at the end as a little palate cleanser, But also I'm so concerned. I'm gonna be thinking about this man for millennia. Yeah, he was like who was he? Maybe he was that's one of them. Maybe he was like testing them. Maybe he was like is this person cool? Like are they cool enough to have their penises examined with a light? Also, like, no one wants to see that up close? Okay, no one? Yeah. So one thing that I probably shouldn't say, because I don't know if this is considered like what's the word where you are lying about somebody? Oh yeah, something with an oil or something. Yeah, anyway, I.

1:09:32 Know what you're trying to say, and I can't get it off my mouth. Yeah. So, so, Chuck Rack, is I Okay. You know, he says that he he made it all up. It's like this never happened. I made it all up. And the other guys were like, well, he you know, this happened all this time, and when the time came, he wanted a book deal or something and they were like, no, we're not making money off of this. He's like, fine, that I'm gonna tell them all was fake. And so they're not friends anymore because he did that. He told them all. He told everyone, oh, I just made it up. It's not real. But like it's kind of hard to make that up. But anyway, it doesn't matter. That was in twenty sixteen and it happened in seventy six so like he decided, yeah, that much later that he was going to say it was fake anyway.

1:10:19 The author called him, Does him take your trauma away? Sir? Yeah? The author called him macho man. I'm thinking maybe he just exaggerated some of the things, because when he started talking about his penis stuff, it seemed like. He was much more aggressive. Yeah, well he was, like they looked at it closer, they just shined more light on it, like it oh, all. Right, I didn't say that I'll take that. But yeah, he just I just seemed to be like, yeah, they really wanted to my penis.

1:11:00 Uh yeah, I genuine fear is felt though for sure in all of this, like, oh, yeah, I'm stressed. It's stressful. You have something happy to share to Uh, be done with that stress. You said that right as I took the last wig of my wine, and then I tried not to laugh. My something happy is I had mentioned to Sandy that I was going to go to his beach to Sandy show and that we should try and get lunch or something, and he they comped our tickets, which is nice. And now I've got two shows comped back to back. But I'm sad because you aren't coming. Yeah, you gotta come to Vancouver, come to Seattle in Nova in October.

1:11:46 Okay, doubtful, but who knows. Well. You keep me posted even if at the last minute you're like, yes, I'm gonna come visit you. Kevin gets the boot. But yeah, so I'm super excited about that. That was very sweet of him to offer that. Hopefully that means I get to have lunch with both of them, that would be cool. Yeah. If not, you know, we love Sandy. He is really enjoying New York. He says hello, and he wishes you well in your move nice and he says, you know, so that's can be stressful and we definitely need to do something creatively soon. And I was like, absolutely, So that's my message in Sandy Slash exciting news. Very excited to go see Beach to Sandy Live.

1:12:35 I love their show. They are my palate cleanser besides Tennis and Live laf larceny, Like, you know, we got we got some good palette cleansers in our books. Passages also great. You can't listen to that at work. Definitely not safe, mostly just because you know, you try and put an earbuton and you're discreet about it, and then Robbie screams at something that's like, why is your head exploding? So because Robert Pattinson Pillow is working overtime for sure, Yeah, but yeah, So I'm very excited about that. I feel very you know, it's cool when you work in this industry for so long and you've collaborated with so many people and it's like little winds, you know, if you look at their schedules, something that's close to you did none of it is none. Look at the where else they were going on.

1:13:27 The stiest thing to me is Tampa and that's five hours away. Well, Seattle's four hours for me. Yeah, but it's also on a weekend that I have to take Sissy to her fucking dad, which is three hours direction. It's on a Wednesday, so I'm definitely gonna have to take that day off of work. But I'm excited either way. I'm sorry. I was super excited thinking maybe they would go to Cincinnati or Atlanta, those things I can go to. I have a reason to go to Cincinnati. Atlanta's not that far. Well, you couldn't go to And that's why we bring it to Cincinnati because it was so close from when we were. It was like the day after something. It's like, I can't get there.

1:14:11 You can't get there that fast. You should have gone to the New Orleans one. That would have been a good one. Yeah, especially given the topic. But anyways, that's offer will still stand for life. That's that's the cool part. Yeah, so uh, very honored to have some cool peeps is my moral. And then the other thing that I'm really excited about is that I am like twenty pages away from finishing a Court of Silver Flames, so you will have to come over to Bitch and Wine on Patreon to tell me, no, to let me tell you about that. And also I started fourth wainging and see herus like shitting her pants every five minutes about it.

1:14:51 Speaking of everything you just said, did you listen to today yesterday's episode of Beach to Sandy No, when they were talking about reading a guitar and Fourth Wing. No, do they both read them? Oh? Well, well they both read A Cord of Thorns and Roses. Christine gave up immediately. Oh okay, she said she didn't like it. She's not reading anymore. Oh, World Building is a hard book. Okay, then I mean the first one. The first one isn't amazing anyway. I tell people that all the time, you have to read the second one. Zandy's reading the second one. Yes, he says it's better, which duh. Okay.

1:15:34 Christine read Fourth Wing said she didn't like it very much, which gross. Okay, I'm disappointed. I can't wait for Sandy to read it. But she's now reading A Throne of Glass and loving that, which I also love Thrown of Glass. So I feel like we have a lot to talk about. Yeah, should we just have the sheer sibs on for book talk? We might have to. After you. Fourth Wing. Zandy needs to read Fourth Wing and we can all have a fourth Conversation club conversation. Yeah, there you go. There you go about fourth thing all day long, so I know you can.

1:16:17 I'm sorry that I literally got out of the shower last night and I passed the fuck out like I was done. I like had wet hair and a towel on top of my head and half like dressed, half blankets on, and Kevin's like, oh goodness, so my hair looks greasy as fuck for somebody that watched it yesterday because I fell asleep with wet hair in a towel. It happens. What is your something happy? Well, something happy is finally it's more something interesting that I've just been wanting to tell you that I found out about because I was researching this. Okay, so it's arted is something happy before I read this book, when I was just getting ready to read this book by something happy? Was that the I literally, okay, let me just say that, Zandy, if you're listening, I am not.

1:17:15 This is not a dig at you but it's also a little bit a dig at you. Okay. They like to make fun of people. They like to make fun of people who call themselves empaths, which, on the one hand, I get it, everybody should be empathetic. However, I literally think that I am an EmPATH, okay, because I have more. I'm not saying I'm better than you because I have more empathy than you. I just I can't control the amount of empathy I have. Okay. So the reason I say this is I was at my house the other night, my new house. It was, you know, out in the sticks, Okay, it's nighttime. I walked outside and looked up and literally started crying because I could see the stars so fucking bright that it just made me happy, Okay, I was just so it was like, oh my God, Like I can actually see constellations and stuff. There's no light pollution out there, Like it's yeah.

1:18:12 That's beautiful. Maybe three times in my life, and it's oppressed. It's so great. And I was super excited because I found this new app. It's called Enigma. No, well, I have heard of it, but I'm not. I don't have it. The app Enigma is for people who have seen UFOs. It is for sightings and alerts. You type in your location of where you saw it, and you can even put a video if you want, and you can put a description of your sighting and blah blah blah, you can record, you. Can like that.

1:18:52 It's super cool, okay, and there are sightings around here. And I was like, oh, I can see UFOs and stuff. And then I read this book and I was like, not cool, not. Go so cool and not I need a Manda to listen to this episode and tell us what she thinks. Yeah, I don't know if she'll be pro probing after this. I don't think she will ever utter those words again. Right, Well, I'm gonna download it. Well I want to download a enigma, but now I'm afraid to. There was a video about other sightings. There was a video about something that happened in Vancouver the other day and it. Was like blue shit ton of sightings in Vancouver.

1:19:35 Oh yeah, they happen all the time. But also a lot of people miss like on cloudy, gross foggy days, people misinterpret the lights around Roger's Arena that flash for the Vancouver Canucks, the blue and Green as being like aliens, and I'm like, no, you're not asked. Those are your hockey colors, and that's what's flashing around the stadium right now. Yeah, but no, we do get a lot of sightings here as I've had shit like me and Kevin, like two weeks after we moved in here, we saw weird lights off our balcony and we like tried to follow it around the building and then by the time we got outside and to the front of the building, we couldn't see it anymore. But it was weird. So that's like, that's how aliens like to operate, just like a quick little flash that they're gone.

1:20:21 Yeah, there's I mean there, there's so many fucking exciting I just feel like there's so much too. I don't know, read about, learn about, see about. Well, hopefully it's not the end of the world. So let us know what your guys, series are your thoughts? Uh, do you still love the aliens? Are dolphins? That aliens? All our octopus is good aliens? Let me hear what you have to say. I'm so stressed out right now that I literally have not made sense. It's an entire episode. Yeah, So recording Urban Legend possibly after This will be exciting, but we love you so so much and we we will see you next week for my What's My Last TIB Disappeared episode and in the meantime, keep it twisted.

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