June 3, 2025

Hypno Nightmare Fuel - The Allagash Abductions

Hypno Nightmare Fuel - The Allagash Abductions
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Summertime is upon us! We’ve penciled in some time to sip rosé and soak up the sunshine so we’ll be sprinkling in some periodic breaks from our own content creations. Of course, we’d never leave you high and dry. While we’re taking a little summer break, we’re dropping an episode from a podcast we absolutely love—Twisted & Uncorked! If you're into conspiracy theories, creepy encounters, and a dash of dark humor, you’re going to want to hit play on this one.

In this episode, Sierra takes us deep into one of the most bizarre and hotly debated UFO cases in U.S. history: The Allagash Abductions. Back in 1976, four college friends set out on a peaceful canoe trip through the remote wilderness of Maine. What began as a relaxing getaway quickly spiraled into a waking nightmare—complete with a beam of light, missing time, and shared memories of alien abduction uncovered through hypnosis. From hypnotic regression sessions to government cover-up theories, this story has it all: mystery, terror, and lingering questions that might just keep you up tonight. (Yes, the nightmares are real.)

Listen now and check out more of Twisted & Uncorked wherever you get your podcasts! If you're new here, be sure to follow PNW Haunts & Homicides for your weekly dose of haunted history, true crime, and all things weird from the Pacific Northwest & beyond.

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Hello, Twisted humans.

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Do you find yourself wanting to know more about the

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latest murder, conspiracy, cult, or haunting.

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Than this is the podcast for you.

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I'm Alicia and I'm Sierra, and this is Twisted and Uncorked. Hello,

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and welcome to episode one ninety five of this fear

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inducing podcast. We don't always induce fhere, but today we

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like we likely will, as I will be telling you

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about an alien conspiracy. I read a book for this episode,

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and I want to just give a quote from the

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introduction right off the bat.

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Oh goodness quote.

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The two most popular quasi theological interpretations of the abduction

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phenomenon are the paranoid version of underground based alien devils

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who feast on our flesh and vital bodily fluids with

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the full cooperation of the government and the CIA, and

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the rosy tinted myth that ets are simply misunderstood space

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brothers who stand ready to meet us and chat with

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us in peace and light. These men report that permission

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was not asked by their captors, and both physical and

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psychological pain ensued. They do not seek to demonize the

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UFO occupants, but neither do they try to excuse what

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is by human moral standards, inexcusable behavior end quote. Before

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I get into the inexcusable behavior that is written about,

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we need fun facts. What do you have for me?

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While I knew in advance that this episode was going

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to be space related, so I brought a space related

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fun fact. The planet. I know, it's not really the

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planet if it's space, but like where we exist is

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so cool. So scientists discovered a massive reservoir of water

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floating throughout space, equivalent to one hundred and forty trillion

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times all of the water on Earth's in Earth's oceans.

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So it just floats around in space and it's just

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a bottle of water, Just a bunch of fucking water.

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Yeah, like not individual droplets, like a planet that is

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made up of only water.

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Basically, that's that's sending.

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Definitely where the Mermaids live.

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Well, we've solved the mystery, guys, we'll see you next week. No,

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for sure, that's where the Mermaids live. But I was like,

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what I know? I knew that there was water on planets,

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but not fucking Yeah, it's little thing. I just picture

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like a little like earthworm of water flat. Yeah, what

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is your fund?

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My fun fact is about pendulums. Pendulums are a great

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tool for tapping into your own subconscious Apparently, if you

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are very relaxed while holding the pendulum still, your subconscious

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mind will move it to answer yes or no questions

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that are in your brain that conscious minds can't remember.

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According to medium dot com, you can use this tool

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to find something that you've lost, as your subconscious knows

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where it is, and according to this book, the technique

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has even been used by detectives in the past to

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get information from suspects or witnesses of a crime. I

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feel like we do not use pendulums enough in twenty

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twenty five, and everyone should be using this tool more.

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One hundred percent. That's super cool. Yeah, I've never thought

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of it in terms of finding something that's lost, but

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that's kind of brilliant.

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Yeah, could you.

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Panic about stuff when you lose it? You're like, hey,

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I'll retrace my steps, ky, I'll do this, and like, oh,

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that's yeah, I gotta try that next time I lose something.

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I don't lose things very often. I have like a

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partial identic memory, where I can mostly picture things in

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my brain, but sometimes I get so adhd that I

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put something down and I cannot for my life remember

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where I put it. I was looking for my phone

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the other day and it was under the bath mat

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on the edge of the tub because I got out

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of the bathtub and put the bath mat back over

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and I left, And yeah, like it would be nice

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for me remembering those little ADHD spas moments like oh

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where did you have it last day in the bathtub?

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Yeah, it would be nice.

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But I like it. I need a pendulum too. I

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feel bad being in like the witchy realm of interests

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when I don't even have one.

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I have like four and I never used a board. Right,

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I have the board, but I've never used them on myself.

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I didn't know I could use them on myself.

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Yeah, that's no. It's usually like an outer existence, yeah

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kind of interaction. So yeah, try it. Let me know

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how work. I definitely will, especially because you're moving soon,

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so you're going to be in this placed and shit

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all the time.

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Speaking of tools, today's episode pairs well with a drink

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I found called Sweet Dreams, and it's a great tool

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for helping you fall asleep and stay asleep, which you

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will definitely want to do if you think these things

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that we're gonna talk about might be happening to you

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at night. Also, in the picture, it's beautiful. It looks

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really galaxy s right. Okay, so here's the picture.

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It's her photo here. Yeah, beautiful. Mine's purple.

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Yeah, I have the blue purple like there's blue on top.

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You can tell because ma Alina always floats.

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Yeah, it didn't separate though for some reason.

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That's just very cute.

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Oh my gosh, read it.

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Can you of ambitions? That's cute.

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It's a Dolly pardon mug.

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Yeah, that's very cute. Really the dollar store fucking rights,

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I know.

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The very top of it says pour myself, uh, and

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then it says a cup of ambitions. That's very amazing.

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That's very cute. Mine is in my witches brew cup.

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And the reason I specifically put it in I mostly

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drink things that are not pretty out of cups like

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this or smoothies, because I have very few straw situations.

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But I will say I was like, oh, I failed,

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Sierra because mine is just purple. I just have purple

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fool aid over here.

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Yeah, it did not work. It's good though, I.

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Think that it's still a very pretty drink purple reminds

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me of space too, And uh, I put my mind

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in here because I thought Sierra was going to come

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out with a beautifully separated galaxy drink. Queen of the

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Bartenders over there and I'm like, I have purple drink.

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Yeah. Well, the fact that it's called Sweet Dreams is

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also a good pairing, so it doesn't have to be

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galaxy esque if you can't get it there. But by

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the way, the ingredients, it's half a cup of tart

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cherry juice, one thumb of microplaned ginger, the juice of

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half a lime and sparkling water all mixed together, and

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then two ounces of coconut cream mixed with one tablespoon nope,

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teaspoon of powdered magnesium, which I used the Spiralina Spy

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Spur Speerlena Spear Realina. There we go for the blue

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because at.

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Aka are blue algae that we busted out probably one

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hundred episodes ago when we did the blue Raspberriesangria.

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I feel like my teeth are turning blue.

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No, you can't tell my said, no, you're good.

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Yeah. You pour that over the top and it's supposed

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to kind of just sit on top. Mine did not

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sit on top. But it's fine, it's fine, It's good, delicious.

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I have been drinking tart cherry juice every single day

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before I go to bed this week. It helps me sleep,

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It really does. Or I'm just really tired because I've

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been going to the gym and working on the house.

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So I think that I think that something in cherries

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is good for like, yeah, calm your nervousness.

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I first saw that tart cherry juice was good for

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sleep on a TikTok video a long long time ago.

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I just never tried it until recently because a bunch

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of mocktails I found have art cherry juice in it.

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Cherries are a natural source of melatonin. Ah, yeah, there

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it is. Cherries also contain trip to fan aka turkey. Guys.

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You know it is sleepy after eating a turkey. All right?

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That checks out. That's interesting, Like.

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Like, cherries do not have turkeys in them. I promise

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they're vegan.

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Cheer trip a fan is also, Yes, that's what I

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was trying to say. Yeah, but you didn't follow that

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thought pattern. No, And I couldn't actually find just straight

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cherry juice. I have cherry rats, but it's still really good.

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It's still really good.

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You couldn't find cherry juice.

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I think it's because I didn't go to the fancy

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expensive grocery store. It wasn't like there's a wallet juice

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and yeah, didn't have just cherry juice. It was like

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cherry this and cherry with that.

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Did you look for tart? Yes, Okay, I don't know

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if they do it like alphabet learn or something.

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I don't know why it was super tart anyway, because

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mine is cherry cranberry, so yeah, it's tart.

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Ever since that TikTok video went viral of that girl

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who drank tart cherry juice and then like fell asleep

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instantly or whatever, said she had a really good, very popular.

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Now it's extreme. Like there's like eight different brands out

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of Walmart. It's like tart cherry juice.

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And I'm like, which ones did that translated to Canada?

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Because I know I have it at a grocery store here,

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but it's expensive.

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So I try to Oh it is expensive. Yeah, it's

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like eight dollars.

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A bottle, but it's like, yeah, it's like pomegranate juice

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in that way. It's good for you. It's fine, it's

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worth the investment, but it is at least this way,

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I can use it for other cocktails. Yes, I'll call

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it a win because cranberry is good and everything, but

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it is super tart. I don't think I don't know

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what I didn't add enough of. But if I'm making

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this space throughout it, it's just because I'm getting a

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little nap of tart. It's still really good though.

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I like it. It's so good.

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I love it.

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But I also, again, like I just said, have been

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drinking chart cherry juice every night, so I might just

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be used to it.

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You love your cherries.

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I do love cheerries. So anyway, you all listeners go

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get your drinks ready while we listen to this promo

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from the Last Trip, and then we will get into

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the story. You ready, here we go. In nineteen seventy eight,

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six year old Jim Wiener fell at his own Listen,

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get it out. Because the word Wiener penis testicles. It's

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gonna be said a lot tonight.

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Okay, you can't just brush over. And because it made

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me think of that episode of Friends when Rachel's like

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we on the phone after her pediatrician kicks them off,

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like fires them because she keeps calling like a crazy person. Sorry,

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that's where my brain went.

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As you continue, twenty six year old Jim Wiener fell

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at his home and sustained brain damage. He recovered from

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this incident, but ever since then, he had been experiencing

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strange aches, pains, and nightmares. He probably needed a Sweet

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Dreams mocktail.

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Yeah, I'm really hoping this will mean I don't have

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nightmares tonight. Here's open.

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He felt sick to his stomach at random times, would

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have chest pains, side pains and numbness, and vivid nightmares

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that he felt were more real than normal dreams. He

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had been going to many doctors, including a doctor at

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the Harvard University Medical School Department of Neurology and a

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neuro epilepsy nurse specialist at Beth Israel Hospital in Boston.

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Jim was diagnosed with temporolimbic epilepsy, which has symptoms that

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include deja vu, disassociated states with out of body experiences,

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panic attacks, chest pains, and hallucinations. However, at least the

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two doctors that I just mentioned do not believe that

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TL is the only thing responsible for the nightmares that

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Jim had expressed to them before even hearing that he

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had once seen a UFO, his doctors suggested that he

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go to a Muffon event mutual UFO network and ask

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for advice from a ufologist. And so he went to

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a symposium and met Ray Fowler.

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How does one become a ufologist?

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Like?

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How do I apply for this job? And them qualified?

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You know, you gotta go talk to the blank two guy?

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Trapis Smith? All right? Noted, well, do I'll get her out?

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Have his people call my people?

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Yeah, exactly. Talking to ufologist Ray Fowler brought up memories

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for Jim that he didn't realize he had. Eventually, Jim

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and the friends who had that UFO siding with him

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underwent hypnosis to undercover the things that they had suppressed

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in their minds. It's important to know that none of

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them remembered these things before hypnosis, and that they claimed

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and promised not to speak to each other in between

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hypnosis sessions so that one friend could not poison the

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other's minds. First, let's meet our victims. Jim and Jack

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Weener are identical twins brothers who were born in October

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of nineteen fifty two in Pennsylvania. They were movie typical

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twins who did everything together, liked all the same things,

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invented their own language, and felt that they had twin telepathy.

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They enjoyed the outdoors as kids with strict but loving

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parents who quote provided the most loving environment possible end quote. However,

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they did live in a seemingly haunted house there is

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Jack and Jim mentioned Harry the Ghost somewhat nonchalantly during

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their discussion with Ray. When asked to explain further, Jim

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said that he would hear voices at night and hear

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weird music that sounded like a drum beating slowly. He

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also thought he could hear someone calling out his name

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and knocking on the walls.

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Absolutely not.

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Jack said his first interaction with Harry the Ghost was

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when he a scary looking monster, was floating next to

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Jack's bed and eventually pulled the covers down to look

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at five year old Jack before vanishing into thin air.

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He remembered wanting to scream, but not being able to. Okay,

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I have to pause right here because the entire time

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I read this book, I just kept thinking something similar

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has happened to me. This is bringing up a memory

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for me, I think this happened to me, so I specifically,

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I have always remembered this. None of my parents like

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every time I say it, they're like, oh, you were

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just being dramatic or whatever. We used to think that

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something was pulling the covers off my blankets. We made

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an entire thing of it. We used to say that

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a man and a woman lived in a house we

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lived in with a dog, and the man hung himself.

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There was this arch in our house. Were like, the

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man hung himself right there, and the dog died too,

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and then the woman died of heartbreak. None of that happened.

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None of that.

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That was just the story we made up to explain.

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I don't know whatever we thought was happening. We used

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to say that the dog was biting the blanket and

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pulling it off of.

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Us at night.

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But I don't know if that actually happened or if

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that's just what I remember because we were little kids

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talking crap like. I don't know, but this freaked me out.

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I might interject like this a couple of times because

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there's a couple of things I'm like, wait a minute,

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wait a minute, this sounds familiar to Welcome to Sierra's

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childhood trauma. Oh my god, I think I need hypnosis.

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Also don't want it, don't want it.

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Okay, I need it, but I don't want to know.

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I don't want to know. No, thank you.

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I don't think I've been drinking tarcherry juice for a week.

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Okay, depends on what you are. I don't know if

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I want to. Don't bring me into that world of trauma.

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In other instances, Jack also remembered hearing the knocking, the voices,

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and even footsteps. He said that his feet would be grabbed,

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his covers pulled, doors would open and close on their own,

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electronics would go on or off, and objects would move

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on their own. At first, the twins said their parents

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would just comfort them and say it was a bad dream. Eventually, though,

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their mom would say something like, oh, it's just Harry

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the ghost again. He will go away. They slept in

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their mom's bed for a long time because they were

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scared at night. Guess who slept in her mom's bed

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until I was in sixth grade? Why the fuck did

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I do that? Sixth grade?

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Yeah, that's why people all the time.

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Oh, I like every time I say it, I'm like,

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I know I'm weird, Like, that's why I don't.

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I don't.

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I don't sleep good in a bed by myself at

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all ever anymore. Even after that, me and my sister

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shared a bed until I graduated high school. Like, not

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even kidding. I always need to be touching another person

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when I'm sleeping, Like if Jesse doesn't come home or

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is out of town or whatever, I sleep with the kids,

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I'm going to my bed.

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So if you come visit me, ever, am I just

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gonna have to get like a bunch of squish mellows ready,

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just build a body for you. Yeah?

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But why don't by myself deep rooted stuff in my brain?

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Maybe you have un dealt with trauma because you were

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like peaked at by a floating alien person. Oh my god,

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it gets so much worse than being peaked at.

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Okay, I want to. I'm scared. I don't want to,

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not like aliens.

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The ufologist asked the twins mother about Harry, and she

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confirmed the events and even claimed to see a ghost

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who was humanoid, glowingly white in a long robe and

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seemed to float right out of their closed door after

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being spotted by her and her husband in their bedroom.

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Gross crazy and she was Catholic. She's like, oh yeah,

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I saw that fucking ghost.

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Yes, She's like, oh yeah, sure, normal night here at

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her house happens all the time.

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The twins stopped seeing Harry the Ghost at age fifteen,

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when Jack's final paranormal experience occurred. A glowing yellow orb

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of light floated right into his kitchen window where he

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was passed him through the house and then out another window. Okay,

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Harry the Ghost wasn't the only paranormal thing that the

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twins experienced as kids, though. Jim had experienced at least

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one lost time instance as a child that he could remember.

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He was sledding out on a hill and specifically remembered

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leaving as soon as the sun started to set because

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he knew he would be in trouble if he wasn't

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home for dinner, but somehow he was still very late.

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Another weird, maybe paranormal thing that Jim recalled from childhood

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was actually something he couldn't remember. His whole family remembered

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the time that he went missing when he was young.

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He had been outside playing in the snow and fell

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into a utility hole of some kind, where he was

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eventually found almost frozen to death. Maybe his brain blocked

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it out because it was too traumatic, but he says

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he cannot remember it no matter how hard he tries.

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Oh After Catholic grade school in public high school, the twins.

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The twins went on to college, Jim at Mansfield State

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College and Jack at Massachusetts College of Art, where he

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met friends Chuck and Charlie, who would of course be

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Jim's friends as well. Chuck Rack was born in January

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of nineteen forty nine to a wealthy family in Massachusetts.

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His dad, though, was abusive and his mom was alcoholic.

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Because of the wealth and likely the guilt, Chuck's dad

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took him to extravagant places as a teen, like England

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and Germany and Italy. It's Chuck from Gossip Girl. Chuck

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also seemed to have a bit of a paranormal childhood,

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though not nearly as active as the twins. He only

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remembered the scary encounters from the ages of four to six.

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He said he would feel a presence in his room

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at night sometimes and thought he'd see little people that

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were all white. He didn't know what they were doing

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in his room, but he'd just go and sleep with

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his parents. When he got scared. He also had a

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curious experience with a move on investigator at the age

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of twenty five in nineteen seventy four. He was in

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Vermont that year during a snowstorm when he saw on

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the end covered in blood, walking down the side of

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the road. He took the dazed man to the hospital,

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where he made a full recovery, and Chuck checked in

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on him at the hospital for a time. That is

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when he learned that the man was a move on

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investigator and was in the area investigating a strange occurrence

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at a farm with crop circles and men in black.

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But that's a whole nother episode for another day. Okay,

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this guy crashed his car, That's why he was bloody.

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He's fine, but definitely unsettling timing m H like, thanks,

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can't you see that we're going through some shit right now?

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Could you not have crashed your car? Next Tuesday?

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Our final victim is Charlie. Charlie Fulks was born in

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January of nineteen fifty in Pennsylvania, but was raised on

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a farm in Ohio. He had a happy, mundane childhood,

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working on the farm with his dad and then working

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on water pumps for the community with his dad. When

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he was old enough, he joined the Navy for a

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four year stint disposing of radioactive waste from the military's

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nuclear program. Charlie never experienced anything paranormal in his life

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until the incident that we are going to talk about today.

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But he did want to see something that he thought

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might have been a UFO while he was in the Navy.

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It was during a classified mission, so he couldn't give

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much information away, but it was in nineteen seventy near Spain.

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He and the other crew saw a glowing orb type

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thing hovering over them for a while before taking off,

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as if it were just observing for a bit. All right,

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So now let's get into the incident at hand, the

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Alligash incident.

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I already don't like the name.

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Just well, Aligash is a place in Maine.

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Well, it's an unfortunate name for the disturbing things we

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were talking about. Okay, it is.

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It is a little bit gash, yeah, Jack, Jack, Jim, Chuck,

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and Charlie planned a camping trip to the Alligash in

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Maine in nineteen seven. The trip was for multiple days

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of camping as well as hiking canoeing and fishing for

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their food. During the trip. They drove all through the

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night Friday the twentieth to get started on their adventure

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on Saturday. The trip started out great. They recuperated Saturday,

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hiked all day Sunday, rode one of the boat plane

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things that like take you. You know, it's like a boat.

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I mean, it's a plane, but it lands on the water.

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I don't know what it's called, pontoon something anyway over

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to the pond.

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It is like a party boat.

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Yeah, that's what I thought.

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Yeah, but they.

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Said something any okay, whatever, y'all know what it looks like.

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They did that on Monday and then spent the day

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Tuesday in the canoe. Tuesday night, the four friends, along

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with many other campers were at the campsite and noticed

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a strange ball of light in the sky. It was

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so bright there for just a minute and then blinked

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out of sight. Everyone at the campsite, including strangers, seemed

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to be mesmerized by the ridiculously bright light while it

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was there, pointing at it and talking about it, But

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once it was gone, everyone went about their night, assuming

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it must have been a planet that was visible for

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just a bit like sometimes they are. This was fact

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checked later on, though, and it was most likely not

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a planet. There was a planet that was scheduled to

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be visible that night, but not that bright and not

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at the time that the four that these four and

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the other campers reported seeing that light. So weird anyway.

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The next day was Wednesday, and the weather had turned bad.

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It rained all day long and allowed them to just

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relax at the camp site, but they wanted to stick

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to their itinerary and were a bit stressed that they

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couldn't canoe out to their next fishing hole. Thursday, the

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twenty sixth, was sunny and beautiful, so they headed out early.

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They needed fish this day to replenish their storage, but

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they weren't having any luck catching anything. Thursday night, they

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decided to try their luck at night. Fishing out in

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the wilderness surrounded by black waters at night would be dangerous, though,

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so they made it eight So they made a huge fire,

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probably bigger than they should have if they were being

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forest fire safe, but big enough that they would know

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the way back to their campsite when they were done fishing.

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All four of them piled into just one canoe for

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this excursion. As well because safety and numbers. While trying

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to find a spot out on the water, they saw

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that big ball of light again, the one from Tuesday.

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The moon was new with only two percent visibility on

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this day, so it couldn't have been the moon, which

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is something I researched myself because I was like, is

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it the moon?

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Though it's not, I mean makes sense. I would also

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just like to point out that sea plays are what

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we were looking for.

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The words called a seaplane lane. That's super lame. Wow, Okay.

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I really felt like I needed to correct us before

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somebody yelled. Also, I called the drummer from Blank twenty

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to Travis Smith at the beginning of this. His name

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00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:21.559
is Travis Barker. I feel as though I needed to

470
00:27:21.640 --> 00:27:22.640
protect us.

471
00:27:23.119 --> 00:27:26.720
So I don't think Travis Barker is the you don't

472
00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:29.920
think UFO one though, you don't think so. I don't

473
00:27:29.920 --> 00:27:30.880
think it's Travis Barker.

474
00:27:31.039 --> 00:27:32.799
I know Travis and Blank twenty two.

475
00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:34.359
I don't know if it's a Travis.

476
00:27:34.440 --> 00:27:35.920
It's the drummer though, right.

477
00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:38.000
No, I don't think it isn't Travis Barker, the one

478
00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:42.119
that married the Kardashian That's not the UFO guy.

479
00:27:42.440 --> 00:27:44.000
Why are you talking about blank?

480
00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:47.279
What? Because hang on, let me see which one is

481
00:27:47.480 --> 00:27:52.200
a blank? UFI, Tom DeLong.

482
00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:54.400
Oh it's not the drummer.

483
00:27:54.680 --> 00:27:55.559
It's not the drummer.

484
00:27:56.079 --> 00:27:59.319
Okay. Oh, okay, that's even better.

485
00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:03.440
I know Cheviisberger can't be trusted.

486
00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:07.319
He's with a Well, that's what I was like, that's interesting, Like,

487
00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:10.440
I guess you could have a wide range of interests,

488
00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:11.720
not that.

489
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:14.680
Wide, and you have mouse.

490
00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:20.039
Come on, I don't know you've met Amanda Goodness, right,

491
00:28:20.359 --> 00:28:21.920
that's very true.

492
00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:29.119
She's the exception. No one else is allowed, no one else. Okay.

493
00:28:31.400 --> 00:28:34.319
So Chuck saw the light first and he was immediately

494
00:28:34.440 --> 00:28:37.759
transfixed by it. He said it was like a pulsating

495
00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:43.720
fluid or plasma all around the sphere, changing colors from

496
00:28:43.759 --> 00:28:48.480
red to green to yellow, hovering motionless and without sound.

497
00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:53.279
Eventually the others turned and noticed as well, saying it

498
00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:58.839
was about the size of a house. Charlie, the military

499
00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:02.279
man held up a large flashlight for the group. Sorry,

500
00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:05.559
held the large flashlight for the group and decided to

501
00:29:05.599 --> 00:29:09.839
signal at the thing. And then suddenly it began coming

502
00:29:09.960 --> 00:29:14.400
straight towards them, turning on a beam of light that

503
00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:19.160
emanated from the bottom of the speed of the sphere

504
00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:23.440
like a triangle all the way to the water. The

505
00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:28.160
twins and Charlie were terrified and began paddling the twins

506
00:29:28.200 --> 00:29:31.799
with just their arms as fast as they could towards

507
00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:37.359
their fire on shore. Chuck, though, was still transfixed and

508
00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:40.880
what seemed like a literal blink of an eye. The

509
00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:44.039
canoe was at shore and the men were watching the

510
00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:47.519
weird ball of light float away until it blinked out,

511
00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:50.759
just like the thing from Tuesday? Did you people because

512
00:29:50.759 --> 00:29:53.640
of I am not doing any of this on purpose?

513
00:29:53.680 --> 00:29:57.160
Blankuai? She was not in my notes that the second time,

514
00:29:57.200 --> 00:30:01.119
I was like, she's doing this not at all. Find

515
00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:08.680
another adjective, nor your stories are always wonderful, But I'm

516
00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:11.599
just like that has to actually, you know what. I've

517
00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:14.119
noticed a lot of serendipity though, and stuff that we

518
00:30:14.200 --> 00:30:16.839
talk about on the sides and stuff that it just

519
00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:17.799
works fine.

520
00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:21.599
It does. The four friends now at shore were very

521
00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:26.559
calm and very exhausted, maybe in shock. They noticed that

522
00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:30.759
the fire was pretty much out, which was weird considering

523
00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:33.119
they had been on the water for only like thirty minutes.

524
00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:36.640
But they just wanted to sleep. And didn't talk about

525
00:30:36.680 --> 00:30:42.759
it again until twelve years later, when Jim found Ray

526
00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:45.799
Fowler at the convention and convinced his friend to let

527
00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:50.319
Ray investigate what was happening in his nightmares and if

528
00:30:50.359 --> 00:30:54.640
it was related to their sighting. Spoiler alert, it was.

529
00:30:57.680 --> 00:31:00.480
So this is another thing that I I have told

530
00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:03.519
you guys before that I'm pretty sure I had a ufosiding.

531
00:31:03.880 --> 00:31:07.359
But every time I tell it, I realized in the

532
00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:10.440
moment and even say, like, anyway, we just didn't talk

533
00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:13.160
about it after that. I don't know why. Why did

534
00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:15.839
we not talk about it after Like? What the fuck happened?

535
00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:18.200
Abnormal drive?

536
00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:22.759
So like we weren't even driving, we were walking.

537
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:25.039
No, Oh, I was talking about when you were with

538
00:31:25.119 --> 00:31:27.240
Jesse and that big shadow came over you guys.

539
00:31:27.319 --> 00:31:30.119
Oh yeah, no, that one, that one we talked about. No,

540
00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:32.400
me and my friend when we saw the thing that

541
00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:40.000
was Yeah, listen, Okay, for some reason, we're just like, oh,

542
00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:42.279
that just happened. Okay, let's pretend like it didn't and

543
00:31:42.359 --> 00:31:43.359
never talked about it again.

544
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:46.039
I mean, I can't say I blame you, like otherwise

545
00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:49.240
you have to process it or keep listening.

546
00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:56.200
Oh no, So let's talk about their hypnosis sessions. Each

547
00:31:56.240 --> 00:32:00.319
friend underwent hypnosis separately and without the others present. Some

548
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:03.880
of them underwent more than one session. Chuck's session was

549
00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:07.119
the shortest. Remember he was the one who claimed to

550
00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:11.319
be mesmerized in the canoe. But the author of this

551
00:32:11.359 --> 00:32:15.640
book later characterized Chuck as a macho man type, and

552
00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:19.559
I think that sums it up perfectly. Even under hypnosis,

553
00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:22.160
when he's talking about everything that happened, he seemed to

554
00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:25.519
me to be very matter of fact. This is what happened.

555
00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:28.039
I don't have any feelings about it. Charlie, on the

556
00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:31.960
other hand, was very nervous for his session, and even

557
00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:35.680
during his session he told what he remembered, but he

558
00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:38.000
did it with a lot of metaphors, kind of like

559
00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:40.880
he was disassociating in a way that would make it

560
00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:44.720
more sensible. Jack and Jim, though, they went all in,

561
00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:48.519
all the way, relaxed, all the way, opened up. After

562
00:32:48.559 --> 00:32:52.319
piecing together what happened from each individual account, I read

563
00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:55.880
from the book, this is the gist. Okay, this is

564
00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:58.519
a very long book. I'm not going to read every single.

565
00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:00.759
Person's I don't know if I want to read. Well,

566
00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:01.880
you told me to.

567
00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:04.160
Look at look at, Look at look at my.

568
00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:13.720
Oh ship, no book, no book SMR sticky note edition.

569
00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:17.880
I will read it. I will definitely read it. Maybe

570
00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:19.599
I'll steal it from you next time I see you,

571
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:24.599
and uh, at least.

572
00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:27.200
Read my notes. I made like little scared sad faces

573
00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:30.440
on a bunch of spots because I was like, I

574
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:31.359
don't want to read this.

575
00:33:31.759 --> 00:33:35.559
You need to keep that list so funny.

576
00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:42.559
In one of these one of the I literally wrote, oh,

577
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:45.200
where's it. I don't know how far I got into

578
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:47.680
the book, but in one of these notes, on one

579
00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:51.160
of the there it is, I just thought, oh, that's

580
00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:54.599
not it either. Anyway. In one of these spots, I wrote,

581
00:33:54.920 --> 00:33:59.359
was I abducted? Like what the fuck?

582
00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:04.960
So no, I'm excited anyway. I'll read the page and

583
00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:10.280
they'll be like, oh yeah, yeah, I'm renting that one

584
00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:13.239
from the Library of Sierra. I don't want the generic version.

585
00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:17.599
You have to get the annated one with all the

586
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:18.639
scared sad faces.

587
00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:22.920
That's cute.

588
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:27.559
Everywhere, that was really cute. I have a bunch of underlines.

589
00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:30.679
But when I was like, this entire paragraph scares me,

590
00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:31.920
I just put a scared sad.

591
00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:37.280
Face, like, oh my god, that's pretty accurate. Your face

592
00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:41.559
just made the accurate face for that. I YouTube watchers.

593
00:34:41.639 --> 00:34:44.239
If my camera changed, I apologize. I kicked my desk

594
00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:47.199
and my webcam went awry. This is closest I'm I

595
00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:50.400
get it. The four friends went onto the water to fish,

596
00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:54.559
but before they even started, they saw the UFO. Then

597
00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:58.000
they sicknubble it. It shot down a beam and they

598
00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:00.000
started paddling as fast as they could away from it.

599
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:04.960
After hypnosis, they finally remembered they did not escape that beam.

600
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:11.000
It encapsulated them in its light. They all described this.

601
00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:15.320
As like a tube or a tunnel, but being inside

602
00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:18.920
of it was different for each of them. Chuck said

603
00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:21.519
that he was getting drawn I look ridiculous with my

604
00:35:21.639 --> 00:35:25.880
headphones on, but oh yeah, I cared, you should be.

605
00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:30.320
Chuck said that he was getting drawn up towards the ball,

606
00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:34.400
but couldn't explain how. Jim said he didn't like the

607
00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:37.239
feeling of being in the tube. It looked like it

608
00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:40.320
was moving, like when you blow smoke into light and

609
00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:41.079
it reflects it.

610
00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:45.519
Oh yeah, that's a very good descriptor well done, sir.

611
00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:47.320
I picture that immediately.

612
00:35:48.840 --> 00:35:52.719
Charlie described basically being beamed up, saying that he could

613
00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:55.960
see the canoe still on the water way down below him.

614
00:35:56.079 --> 00:35:56.920
Absolutely not.

615
00:35:57.760 --> 00:36:01.679
Jack said that the tube was like glass, but not glass,

616
00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:07.239
and that it made him feel funny and come apart. Quote.

617
00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:11.039
I'm screaming and my eyes are open real wide, and

618
00:36:11.079 --> 00:36:13.280
my mouth is open real wide, and my tongue is

619
00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:16.159
sticking out, and my ears are coming off, and I

620
00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:19.760
feel like I'm thick. I feel like I'm thick. End quote.

621
00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:22.320
I don't what. I don't like that.

622
00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:25.679
No, I don't like any of this. I thought I

623
00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:26.639
liked aliens.

624
00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:29.440
I thought we were friends. When I say I feel

625
00:36:29.480 --> 00:36:31.920
like I'm thick, it's like I'm having a blody day,

626
00:36:33.760 --> 00:36:34.800
not whatever.

627
00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:39.960
Whatever this is. Once they were up on the UFO,

628
00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:43.360
the four men felt paralyzed, but were one at a

629
00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:47.079
time inspected by the beings who inhabited it. They all

630
00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:51.960
four described the beings in almost the same way. Humanoid

631
00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:58.199
with arms and legs, big heads, small necks, four fingers

632
00:36:58.199 --> 00:37:03.599
that were kind of claw machine like, sheen, full body suits.

633
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:08.000
They had large, black eyes that were described as being

634
00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:12.880
bug like or almond shaped, dark or black or the

635
00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:16.840
shiny color of a beetle. Hate that they had no eyelids,

636
00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:20.280
but some inner membrane thing that sort of came together

637
00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:24.159
in a blinking motion like frogs or birds.

638
00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:25.920
I hate that the most.

639
00:37:26.480 --> 00:37:29.440
They said. Either there were no ears or just holes

640
00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:33.360
for ears, or just small bumps no nose or small

641
00:37:33.400 --> 00:37:36.719
bump as a nose or small holes for a nose,

642
00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:38.159
and no mouth.

643
00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:42.199
You knowle colored voltemore like this is terrifying.

644
00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:45.840
And no mouth or just a slit line as a

645
00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:46.760
mouth like a turtle.

646
00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:52.920
Oh, every part of that that's basically black. No, I

647
00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:53.960
don't want to see.

648
00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:56.679
No, this wasn't their drawing.

649
00:37:56.559 --> 00:38:00.679
But I basically basically you gotta send a picture of

650
00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:01.119
that for.

651
00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:03.639
Oh, I'll send I'll show you all of their drawings

652
00:38:03.639 --> 00:38:04.320
if you want it.

653
00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:11.239
You got to send me pictures for the post. Hate it.

654
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:16.079
Yeah, all of them are creepy, the sad yes.

655
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:18.760
And terrify the rest of our list.

656
00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:23.159
And they said the beings didn't ever talk to each other,

657
00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:27.519
but did make head moving and hand moving gestures that

658
00:38:27.639 --> 00:38:30.960
seems like they were talking and understanding each other. They

659
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:33.599
also said that even though the beings never talked to them,

660
00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:37.239
they did things that the beings wanted them to do,

661
00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:42.239
including forgetting all of this, because they just really felt

662
00:38:42.559 --> 00:38:45.519
like the beings wanted them to do certain things, and

663
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:47.320
if they didn't it would be bad.

664
00:38:48.159 --> 00:38:49.719
Okay.

665
00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:51.920
One of the things that beings wanted them to do

666
00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:55.960
one by one was get undressed completely naked.

667
00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:58.719
Why are they so permy and like interested in the

668
00:38:58.800 --> 00:38:59.440
human body?

669
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:03.039
Quote they made me take it off. I just got

670
00:39:03.079 --> 00:39:05.199
the impression that if I didn't do that, I was

671
00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:08.920
going to be in trouble. End quote. All four men

672
00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:12.719
remembered getting undressed and seeing each other get undressed. They

673
00:39:12.760 --> 00:39:17.000
also remembered as they got undressed and then inspected, the

674
00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:20.000
other three just sat on a bench and didn't help.

675
00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:23.719
But they also remember being on the bench and feeling

676
00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:25.599
paralyzed and not being able to help.

677
00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:27.599
Okay, that's sad.

678
00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:30.039
So like at first they're like, why are my friends

679
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:32.519
helping me? And then they're like, oh wait, now I'm

680
00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:33.920
sitting down and I can't help.

681
00:39:33.960 --> 00:39:34.400
I want to.

682
00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:35.559
Help, but I can't help.

683
00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:41.320
Yeah. I don't like that. That's like sleep paralysis, Like yes, awake,

684
00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:42.440
but you can't think.

685
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:46.039
Your sweet dreams. Don't wake up. Don't wake up tonight.

686
00:39:46.559 --> 00:39:49.079
I hope I don't. No, thank you.

687
00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:51.920
Jack said that they lifted his head up by the chin,

688
00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:56.000
really far and inspected his neck. When the being touched

689
00:39:56.039 --> 00:40:00.719
his wrist, he said, it felt like caterpillars. It doesn't

690
00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:06.159
get better, it doesn't get better. They lifted his arm

691
00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:09.599
up and inspected it. They used some sort of metal

692
00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:15.760
rod to scrape and scoop under his arms, the backs

693
00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:20.280
of his knees and his calves, and between his thighs.

694
00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:25.280
Then they walked him over to a machine that seems

695
00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:27.920
like it was in a doctor's office. The machine was

696
00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:30.280
over top of Jack, sort of like a tray, just

697
00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:33.039
above his chest, which meant that it couldn't really see

698
00:40:33.039 --> 00:40:35.679
what was happening to the lower part of his body. Yeah,

699
00:40:35.679 --> 00:40:41.000
but he could feel it. Quote they're touching my penis.

700
00:40:41.480 --> 00:40:44.440
They put something on it. I can feel it. It's

701
00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:47.880
going in. I don't like it. I'm peeing. I can't stop.

702
00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:52.760
It's hurting. End Quote what a catheine that poor man.

703
00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:54.719
Oh.

704
00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:58.000
Next, he stood up again and felt that the beings

705
00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:03.480
were telling him everything would be okay. Quote they're putting

706
00:41:03.519 --> 00:41:07.559
something in me up my ass. It burns. It's like

707
00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:11.440
an enema. But no, it's not so bad. They're saying

708
00:41:11.480 --> 00:41:14.039
it's not so bad, and I'm saying, okay, it's not

709
00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:18.639
so bad. End quote. So they're like hurting him and

710
00:41:18.639 --> 00:41:21.119
they're like this doesn't hurt, This doesn't hurt, and he's like,

711
00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:24.440
ow oh, it doesn't hurt. It doesn't hurt. Like they're

712
00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:32.320
like hypnotizing him. In Jim's hypnosis session, he said that

713
00:41:32.360 --> 00:41:34.880
the beings seemed interested in the fact that he and

714
00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:39.320
Jack looked exactly alike. He also remembered watching these things

715
00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:42.239
happen to his brother Jack, so like first one of

716
00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:45.079
them was questioned, and then the other one was and

717
00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:48.639
the other one not sorry, not questioned, but under hypnosis. Yeah,

718
00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:50.960
the other one would say I saw this and this

719
00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:54.159
and this happened to him, when he just said I

720
00:41:54.199 --> 00:41:55.840
saw this and this and this happened to me, you

721
00:41:55.920 --> 00:41:57.679
know what I mean, Like they're collaborating.

722
00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:00.000
Yeah, that's crazy.

723
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:05.480
See, most of what happened to Jack happened to Jim

724
00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:09.159
as well, the same things with the arms. Then they

725
00:42:09.239 --> 00:42:13.880
inspected his genitals. The hypnotist asked Jim what it felt

726
00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:17.719
like when the beings touched him, and Jim said, like bugs,

727
00:42:20.320 --> 00:42:21.159
it's so bad.

728
00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:26.760
It's so bad. Bugs's immediately out that they have beetle

729
00:42:26.920 --> 00:42:29.480
like skin. I hate it.

730
00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:34.079
It's just it's disgusting. And if you think about the

731
00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:38.000
representation of a giant alien head on a skinny neck,

732
00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:42.440
it's kind of like an ant, It's like a bug.

733
00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:43.679
They're like bugs.

734
00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:44.920
I'm gonna vomit.

735
00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:50.400
It's disgusting. I'm sorry, aliens, I think I don't know,

736
00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:53.199
maybe I'm not. Maybe your assholes.

737
00:42:54.199 --> 00:42:59.960
Yeah, well you're non consenting but putting up things right now,

738
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:06.840
I'm so frezzeled. Oh. Also, like what probing stories do

739
00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:08.679
we ever hear that's like consensual?

740
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:11.280
But also yeah.

741
00:43:11.239 --> 00:43:13.719
Yeah, family doesn't like it either, Guys, I.

742
00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:18.880
Know he won't shut it. So Jim wasn't compliant at first,

743
00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:22.360
and he said that the beings poked him in his

744
00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:26.880
ribs when he didn't listen. Eventually, Jim was also walked

745
00:43:27.039 --> 00:43:30.079
to the table like Jack was. He said they kept

746
00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:32.480
touching his penis like they wanted him to get an

747
00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:35.320
erection and give a sperm sample, but he was too

748
00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:40.920
grossed out. Yeah, eventually he told them or thought toward them,

749
00:43:41.320 --> 00:43:44.480
he can just do it himself, and he did. He

750
00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:48.920
gave them a sperm sample. So remember Jim.

751
00:43:49.360 --> 00:43:51.519
So he masturbated in front of aliens. This is what

752
00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:52.159
you're telling me.

753
00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:54.679
He did right into a test tube.

754
00:43:55.480 --> 00:43:58.480
Oh, I mean that's really the lesser of the two

755
00:43:58.519 --> 00:43:59.719
evils in that situation.

756
00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:08.000
Yeah, because if it feels like bugs, how can you, like,

757
00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:13.440
you know, is this on the cockroach? I'm not sure. Oh,

758
00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:15.480
good thought.

759
00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:19.599
Every time you say like bugs, it's like a visceral

760
00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:22.360
reaction of my body. Like I don't know how you

761
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:25.480
got through this book. I literally I feel difficult moment

762
00:44:26.119 --> 00:44:27.840
every time you say those words.

763
00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:31.320
Yeah, okay, but I just want to point out that

764
00:44:31.400 --> 00:44:35.119
this is happening in nineteen seventy six. Jim did not

765
00:44:35.239 --> 00:44:39.119
have his fall which caused TLEE until two years later

766
00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:42.760
in nineteen seventy eight, and then two years after that

767
00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:47.760
is when he started dreaming about weird things. So this

768
00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:50.920
is not a oh, this is all a hallucination because

769
00:44:50.920 --> 00:44:53.119
you have tl He didn't fall for two more years.

770
00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:57.639
No, I think he had repressed trauma that that after

771
00:44:57.719 --> 00:44:58.800
his fall recessed.

772
00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:03.159
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, he did let slip during his

773
00:45:03.320 --> 00:45:06.920
hypnosis that he believes he was visited again in nineteen eighty.

774
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:09.440
But we'll get to that in a little bit. First,

775
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:11.960
we need to talk about what happened to Chuck and Charlie.

776
00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:15.920
Oh, do we have to There's four of them. It

777
00:45:16.039 --> 00:45:18.000
was horrible. I'm so sorry for you.

778
00:45:18.079 --> 00:45:21.719
It is horrible. When it was Charlie's turn for hypnosis,

779
00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:23.639
it was hard for him to remember much because he

780
00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:27.760
was scared in the actual moment. He remembered not wanting

781
00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:30.679
to open his eyes while he was being observed by

782
00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:33.679
the beings in the UFO. Thankfully, he did at least

783
00:45:33.679 --> 00:45:36.039
a few times, and the hypnotist was able to get

784
00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:39.880
a lot out of those times as well as his feelings.

785
00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:43.559
He remembered seeing the examination of both Jack and Jim,

786
00:45:44.239 --> 00:45:47.960
and then after much deep, deep relaxation, he finally remembered

787
00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:52.239
being examined himself. He said the beings took skin samples,

788
00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:58.519
swabbed his mouth, took blood from his neck, took urine, feces, hair,

789
00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:04.039
fingernail and tony clippings. He said. They scraped the insides

790
00:46:04.119 --> 00:46:08.320
of his thighs and his groin, probed his testicles, and

791
00:46:08.440 --> 00:46:13.039
examined his penis, taking a swab there as well. Of

792
00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:13.760
what I don't know.

793
00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:17.400
I mean, this is an uncomfortable thing in a medical

794
00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:20.840
setting as it is. Yeah, but this is non consensual.

795
00:46:21.199 --> 00:46:23.800
You're not knowing what's happening, and it's like bug like

796
00:46:23.880 --> 00:46:24.599
people like.

797
00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:30.840
Yeah, this is like a fucking monsters awful. In Chuck's account,

798
00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:36.079
his penis is also greatly examined. Quote. They just seem

799
00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:39.400
very interested in that part of my body. They're looking

800
00:46:39.440 --> 00:46:43.400
at it intensely. They put more light on it. They

801
00:46:44.280 --> 00:46:49.119
it's almost like something fluttering, like a butterfly. It's coming down.

802
00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:53.880
Something oozes from my penis. They take it away. End.

803
00:46:53.960 --> 00:47:00.719
Quote Again with the bugs, why do they all mention bugs?

804
00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:04.239
Because that's like, the only thing is humans we have

805
00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:05.679
that's similar enough to like.

806
00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:08.599
But the thing that freaks me out is if if

807
00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:14.559
they're all mentioning it, it's gotta be true aliens feel

808
00:47:14.599 --> 00:47:17.039
like bugs. That's gross.

809
00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:21.519
Well all aliens though, right, Like you gotta think of

810
00:47:21.599 --> 00:47:22.280
like different.

811
00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:26.039
The ocean aliens, right, the ones that look like they're

812
00:47:26.039 --> 00:47:29.119
wearing wetsuits, I'll take that, Yeah, the ones that are

813
00:47:29.119 --> 00:47:32.840
probably octopuses, the ones that are scale free.

814
00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:37.360
You read remarkably bright creatures.

815
00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:40.320
Right, No, not yet? Oh my god, it's cute. I

816
00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:41.079
want to read it.

817
00:47:41.519 --> 00:47:44.320
It is so cute. And if aliens are like that,

818
00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:45.000
that's what I want.

819
00:47:46.679 --> 00:47:49.000
Kiddy, put my vote in on what type of alien

820
00:47:49.239 --> 00:47:50.599
ducks me, he thinks so much.

821
00:47:50.719 --> 00:47:55.679
Please please. Chuck then remembers being taken to the bench

822
00:47:55.719 --> 00:47:58.159
and watching all of his friends have things done to

823
00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:02.800
done to them that they've already described. Chuck must have

824
00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:06.719
been the first one to be examined. He was also

825
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:09.559
the one that was like transfixed, so like maybe he

826
00:48:09.679 --> 00:48:13.639
was being hypnotized that entire time, like it's.

827
00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:15.679
Okay, special connection. Yeah.

828
00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:20.039
Yeah. After the examinations are over, they remember being escorted

829
00:48:20.119 --> 00:48:23.920
back toward the tube thing and then going through it

830
00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:26.880
and being back in the canoe, which was now near

831
00:48:26.920 --> 00:48:29.599
the edge of the shore. The beings told each of

832
00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:32.159
them not to remember the incidents that had just occurred,

833
00:48:32.599 --> 00:48:34.880
and that seems to be why they didn't discuss it

834
00:48:34.920 --> 00:48:38.079
when they got back. Also, the fire they had built

835
00:48:38.199 --> 00:48:41.039
was almost out because they had been inside the UFO

836
00:48:41.239 --> 00:48:43.079
for hours.

837
00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:49.320
Yeah. Also like full body examinations, but in one spot.

838
00:48:49.960 --> 00:48:54.679
Yeah. During the hypnosis sessions, the hypnotists asked leading questions

839
00:48:54.719 --> 00:48:56.480
at the end in order to know where to take

840
00:48:56.519 --> 00:48:59.519
the questioning to next time. They asked Chuck if he

841
00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:02.119
had ever seen the entities before, and this is how

842
00:49:02.119 --> 00:49:05.679
we learned of his childhood quote unquote ghost that I

843
00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:08.440
explained earlier, not a ghost after all.

844
00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:11.599
That's somehow worse to know that they can float over

845
00:49:11.719 --> 00:49:14.800
you like that. Yeah, I'm out on every single part

846
00:49:14.840 --> 00:49:15.119
of this.

847
00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:22.440
It still gets worse on here. Jim's paranormal events were

848
00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:27.320
also examined deeper under hypnosis. He was able to remember

849
00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:30.639
the time he fell into the hole and also remembered

850
00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:34.039
that while he was down there, the beings were up above,

851
00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:37.480
just looking down at him. He didn't say that they

852
00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:39.920
put him there though, just that they watched as he

853
00:49:40.039 --> 00:49:44.440
begged them without words for help. It's possible that they

854
00:49:44.440 --> 00:49:46.559
did put him there as a way to explain the

855
00:49:46.599 --> 00:49:49.639
fact that he was missing when they realized that people

856
00:49:49.639 --> 00:49:52.119
were looking for him. Maybe he just can't remember what

857
00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:53.800
they did to him before he ended up in the

858
00:49:53.840 --> 00:49:58.039
hole because their memory erasure or whatever they do worked

859
00:49:58.079 --> 00:49:59.119
better in this incident.

860
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:02.199
Thing. You did not talk about it with anyone.

861
00:50:02.440 --> 00:50:05.760
Yeah. He also remembered why he had missing time after

862
00:50:05.800 --> 00:50:07.920
the sledding trip when he was about ten years old,

863
00:50:08.639 --> 00:50:12.400
and that one he remembered a lot from so as

864
00:50:12.400 --> 00:50:15.000
he was walking home, he saw UFO and then was

865
00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:19.639
pulled up by it. Quote. I think it really beamed

866
00:50:20.119 --> 00:50:22.840
I think it pulled me somehow. It's just a feeling

867
00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:27.280
of a suddenly exploding, like it was pulling me apart,

868
00:50:27.719 --> 00:50:30.599
and then I was inside of something. End quote. So

869
00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:33.119
it's like, you know how when you watch like I

870
00:50:33.119 --> 00:50:36.000
don't know, any space show in it, it looks like

871
00:50:37.239 --> 00:50:42.719
particle movement. Yeah, but literally like they're describing yet not

872
00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:46.960
like you're floating like you are. You're particles making apart

873
00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:50.199
and going yeah, I don't like it. I don't like

874
00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:50.719
that either.

875
00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:53.000
I think that I thought that that's what happened when

876
00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:55.119
you got beamed up, because sometimes in movies when you

877
00:50:55.119 --> 00:50:56.960
get beamed up from a light, it's like you're.

878
00:50:56.800 --> 00:51:02.039
Like, yeah, I like it better when they're just like cows.

879
00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:05.960
And the like yeah, flying cows.

880
00:51:05.679 --> 00:51:06.599
Flying cows.

881
00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:07.960
I'm good with that.

882
00:51:08.360 --> 00:51:12.119
He said, presumably inside the UFO that they put him

883
00:51:12.159 --> 00:51:15.239
on a table, took off his clothes, and did something

884
00:51:15.400 --> 00:51:19.239
to his chest. That quote hurts like hell. Makes my

885
00:51:19.360 --> 00:51:22.239
chest feel like it's going to explode, like something is

886
00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:26.199
inside of me. End quote. After that, the beings looked

887
00:51:26.199 --> 00:51:30.360
at his arms and wrists, touched his penis, examined the

888
00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:33.199
inside of his legs, knees toes, as if they were

889
00:51:33.199 --> 00:51:36.519
looking for something, and then they put something into the

890
00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:39.960
back of his head like a needle. He said, it

891
00:51:39.960 --> 00:51:43.119
felt like a burning pressure, and then they let him go.

892
00:51:43.599 --> 00:51:45.039
This is when he was ten years old.

893
00:51:48.199 --> 00:51:51.679
So not only are the scary bug like creatures that

894
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:54.199
are making me feel like I want involvement, but now

895
00:51:54.199 --> 00:51:58.159
other pedophiles. Essentially, yeah, not only are they which also

896
00:51:58.239 --> 00:51:59.159
make me one involvement.

897
00:51:59.320 --> 00:52:05.840
So not only are they sexually assaulting adults, they're also pedophilic.

898
00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:09.639
So the hypnotists also asked each of the men under

899
00:52:09.719 --> 00:52:13.800
hypnosis if they could remember seeing the beings after the

900
00:52:13.840 --> 00:52:18.360
Alligash incident. Charlie remembered what he thought was a dream

901
00:52:18.440 --> 00:52:21.840
he had in nineteen eighty nine about the same beings

902
00:52:21.880 --> 00:52:25.519
coming into Jack's house when he was staying the night there.

903
00:52:26.360 --> 00:52:28.639
But Charlie said after seeing them, he just went back

904
00:52:28.679 --> 00:52:33.559
to sleep. They were there for Jack, not him. He's like, sorry, friend,

905
00:52:34.320 --> 00:52:38.079
this is about you. This is between you and the aliens.

906
00:52:38.559 --> 00:52:41.840
Chuck never had another experience, however, his wife told him

907
00:52:42.159 --> 00:52:44.000
that once in the middle of the night, she got

908
00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:47.239
creeped out by a bright light and Chuck sleepily told

909
00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:51.880
her to just relax. It's only the aliens no longer.

910
00:52:51.639 --> 00:52:54.239
A comforting statement. Yeah.

911
00:52:54.679 --> 00:52:58.039
Jack continues to have what he thought were dreams about

912
00:52:58.039 --> 00:53:01.159
the aliens, which of course turn out to be objections,

913
00:53:01.760 --> 00:53:05.400
and they continue to probe and prod him. This time

914
00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:08.639
it's done with a rod that he says is made

915
00:53:08.679 --> 00:53:13.079
of crystal or maybe water, but hard water. They put

916
00:53:13.119 --> 00:53:17.039
it in his eye, his nose, his mouth, and it

917
00:53:17.079 --> 00:53:21.199
tastes like when you have tinfoil in your mouth, which

918
00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:26.559
is just cringey as fuck, like goose bumps, you know,

919
00:53:26.800 --> 00:53:29.320
like likeugh.

920
00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:31.639
Did by allowed to leave? I have to be here

921
00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:35.559
for the rest of this episode. You have to, Oh, okay.

922
00:53:35.599 --> 00:53:37.719
As soon as soon as you said it in his eye,

923
00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:40.880
I was already out and then you added like tinfoil,

924
00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:44.559
and I'm like, what is that? What is that? What

925
00:53:45.079 --> 00:53:47.760
my eyes? I'm not crying if anyone's watching this, I'm

926
00:53:47.840 --> 00:53:49.119
just very distressed.

927
00:53:49.400 --> 00:53:52.280
He remembers that they took his wife up to the

928
00:53:52.360 --> 00:53:56.280
UFO as well. No, he said that when they were

929
00:53:56.320 --> 00:53:58.960
taken it was not like they were taken out of

930
00:53:59.000 --> 00:54:02.039
the house. They were taken straight up through the roof.

931
00:54:02.719 --> 00:54:07.559
And his wife Mary, remember I remember seeing Jack go

932
00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:11.760
straight through a door once. So Mary was hypnotized then

933
00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:15.960
his wife, but she could never relax enough to find

934
00:54:16.039 --> 00:54:18.880
what they told her to forget in her mind, So

935
00:54:18.920 --> 00:54:21.719
the hypnotists suggested using the pendulum method.

936
00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:24.519
Ah, like a true lady, we have a hard time

937
00:54:24.599 --> 00:54:27.480
relaxing our brains sometimes, yeah.

938
00:54:26.840 --> 00:54:30.039
Which allowed her to talk to her own subconscious. In

939
00:54:30.159 --> 00:54:33.119
doing so, she learned that there are things in her

940
00:54:33.239 --> 00:54:35.960
mind that she could remember if she tried hard enough.

941
00:54:36.800 --> 00:54:40.239
She was taken on board a UFO where she and

942
00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:44.039
Jack had things done to them for more than three hours,

943
00:54:44.199 --> 00:54:46.760
but not more than four, because you can only ask

944
00:54:46.840 --> 00:54:48.239
yes or no. So she said, was it more than

945
00:54:48.239 --> 00:54:49.239
one hour? Was it more than two?

946
00:54:49.679 --> 00:54:49.960
Three?

947
00:54:50.039 --> 00:54:50.719
Was it more than four?

948
00:54:50.960 --> 00:54:53.599
It's a process to get through, a right through. But

949
00:54:54.000 --> 00:54:57.920
I think that's part of why it would benefit working

950
00:54:57.960 --> 00:55:01.400
through your subconscious, because something do you have have to evault?

951
00:55:01.519 --> 00:55:05.239
Like layer those Why can't I speak? I'm so sorry.

952
00:55:05.960 --> 00:55:11.199
You all know what I'm trying to say. Yeah, your layers, Yeah,

953
00:55:11.239 --> 00:55:13.880
of all of your layers, all your layers.

954
00:55:15.480 --> 00:55:20.039
Peel them back one at a time. Her dreams in

955
00:55:20.079 --> 00:55:23.840
which she sees deer with really big eyes next to

956
00:55:23.880 --> 00:55:28.039
her bed are actually where those memories are hidden. That

957
00:55:28.159 --> 00:55:31.679
is what the aliens covered the bad memories with so

958
00:55:31.760 --> 00:55:36.239
basically anytime she thinks about being abducted or anytime she

959
00:55:36.320 --> 00:55:41.239
is abducted. Instead, they're like, alls you see is a

960
00:55:41.320 --> 00:55:44.239
deer in your bedroom. You're dreaming about a deer in

961
00:55:44.239 --> 00:55:49.440
your bedroom, which is cute and also creepy. Any further

962
00:55:49.519 --> 00:55:54.480
experiences in Jack and Mary's house were pretty heavily hidden away.

963
00:55:54.559 --> 00:55:57.760
In Jack's mind, he remembers the aliens visiting him in

964
00:55:57.840 --> 00:56:01.079
what he believes were his dreams and basically telling him

965
00:56:01.079 --> 00:56:05.280
to stop telling ray what they were doing or else

966
00:56:05.320 --> 00:56:08.639
it would cause harm. So he's still having dreams while

967
00:56:08.719 --> 00:56:11.960
he's meeting with the ufologists, and the aliens are like,

968
00:56:12.320 --> 00:56:17.199
stop fucking talking about us, bro, stop telling the upologist

969
00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:18.000
about us.

970
00:56:19.079 --> 00:56:22.119
Why would they Why would they care about what you're

971
00:56:22.159 --> 00:56:26.679
sharing if apparently it will cause harm? If they were friendly,

972
00:56:26.800 --> 00:56:30.840
you know what I mean? Like that feels like, oh

973
00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:35.880
I don't I but why have so many other people's

974
00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:41.239
alien interactions not been this scary?

975
00:56:41.280 --> 00:56:44.119
Because they're telling you to just like when they were like,

976
00:56:44.400 --> 00:56:48.159
it doesn't hurt, it doesn't hurt. They're telling you we're friendly,

977
00:56:48.440 --> 00:56:52.239
we're friendly, and you're believing it. This is another reason

978
00:56:52.280 --> 00:56:54.559
why I'm scared I got abducted. Is this why I

979
00:56:54.639 --> 00:56:57.800
like aliens because they told me to like them. Like,

980
00:56:57.920 --> 00:56:59.920
what the fuck's fine?

981
00:57:03.039 --> 00:57:07.159
Should I put Sheldon outside tonight as like an offering?

982
00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:16.480
Like an offering? I have listen, they signaled to the

983
00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:19.679
UFO and got abducted. Do not do any signaling. Okay,

984
00:57:20.239 --> 00:57:20.920
that's true.

985
00:57:21.159 --> 00:57:23.159
I was thinking you would be like when you hang

986
00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:26.519
like a flag outside, You're like, you flag like a

987
00:57:26.559 --> 00:57:28.840
Pride flag. I'm just putting an outside.

988
00:57:30.639 --> 00:57:32.000
Oh my god, I'm.

989
00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:37.280
Okay with you. I'm not comparing people on the lgb

990
00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:40.480
q T spectrum to aliens, just to be clear, but

991
00:57:40.599 --> 00:57:42.039
you know you're.

992
00:57:41.559 --> 00:57:45.280
Also we're not okay with aliens doing this. We just

993
00:57:45.559 --> 00:57:47.360
also don't want it done to us.

994
00:57:47.599 --> 00:57:53.000
Yeah, correction, Yeah, I'm willing to sacrifice Sheldon for myself.

995
00:57:54.079 --> 00:57:57.000
The blow up doll. As soon as they stick him

996
00:57:57.000 --> 00:57:58.880
with something, they're like, why why.

997
00:57:59.400 --> 00:57:59.920
You do flag?

998
00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:01.320
Where did he go?

999
00:58:03.119 --> 00:58:07.840
He doesn't have a penis. I need to make fun

1000
00:58:07.960 --> 00:58:08.960
because I can't be.

1001
00:58:08.920 --> 00:58:13.360
All to do because this is the really scary part again, Okay.

1002
00:58:13.800 --> 00:58:18.760
Jim had many more experiences after the Algash incident, including

1003
00:58:18.800 --> 00:58:21.920
the dreams that led him to finding Ray Fowler at

1004
00:58:21.920 --> 00:58:27.960
the UFO Symposium. The aliens followed him everywhere Jim traveled

1005
00:58:27.960 --> 00:58:31.119
for work, and through hypnosis, he was able to recall

1006
00:58:31.159 --> 00:58:36.800
them visiting him all over America, Boston, Texas, and even California,

1007
00:58:37.199 --> 00:58:41.800
always while he was sleeping. His visits weren't really I'm sorry,

1008
00:58:41.920 --> 00:58:46.719
his encounters weren't really abductions, though they were visits. Quote.

1009
00:58:47.480 --> 00:58:50.440
I felt something like a small animal walking on my bed.

1010
00:58:50.840 --> 00:58:53.440
I thought it was a cat. I realized my head

1011
00:58:53.519 --> 00:58:55.679
was on the bed, but the rest of my body

1012
00:58:55.760 --> 00:58:59.159
was floating at a forty five degree angle. There was

1013
00:58:59.199 --> 00:59:04.039
this no ah wah wah wah wah, and Jesus Christ,

1014
00:59:04.039 --> 00:59:06.800
there was this thing. I got the impression that there

1015
00:59:06.840 --> 00:59:09.679
was another dimension there, that there was some kind of

1016
00:59:09.760 --> 00:59:13.320
cut in dimensions, that I was coexisting with this veil

1017
00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:16.559
type thing. I remember my legs being in the air

1018
00:59:16.639 --> 00:59:19.320
and it was doing something to my genitals. The thought

1019
00:59:19.400 --> 00:59:21.719
that went through my mind was it was trying to

1020
00:59:21.719 --> 00:59:24.920
have intercourse with me. This is absolutely crazy. I can't

1021
00:59:24.920 --> 00:59:31.800
believe this end quote. So they're fucking raping him? There

1022
00:59:31.920 --> 00:59:34.000
was He just got alien.

1023
00:59:34.199 --> 00:59:38.440
They're like the dolphins of the galaxy, but Are they

1024
00:59:38.519 --> 00:59:39.239
in the ocean.

1025
00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:43.119
Are they just dolphins or adians?

1026
00:59:43.239 --> 00:59:44.519
Dolphins are dolphins?

1027
00:59:44.559 --> 00:59:46.159
Aliens? What is happening?

1028
00:59:46.519 --> 00:59:49.320
Bad aliens are dolphins? The good aliens are octopied?

1029
00:59:51.719 --> 00:59:53.679
Is this why I always like dolphins? When I was little,

1030
00:59:53.800 --> 00:59:58.519
I used to collect dolphins. Oh my god, you know,

1031
00:59:58.679 --> 01:00:02.360
having a crisp feel, I feel like we're on life.

1032
01:00:02.440 --> 01:00:09.760
Grisis shout out, yeah, right, like quarter life, Grasis.

1033
01:00:10.159 --> 01:00:14.519
I'm stressed out. Not only does my face hurt from laughing,

1034
01:00:14.639 --> 01:00:17.159
but I'm stressed out, like this is the weirdest my

1035
01:00:17.239 --> 01:00:18.320
body has ever felt.

1036
01:00:20.039 --> 01:00:23.559
This kind of thing happened many times. These were the

1037
01:00:23.679 --> 01:00:26.960
dreams quote unquote that led Jim to seeking help from

1038
01:00:27.360 --> 01:00:32.639
first a neurodoctor, then as suggested by a ufologist. After

1039
01:00:32.679 --> 01:00:35.679
all the visiting, these four victims still deal with this

1040
01:00:35.760 --> 01:00:40.320
reality every day. Chuck had multiple strangers on his property

1041
01:00:40.360 --> 01:00:44.079
in nineteen ninety that couldn't be explained or had terrible

1042
01:00:44.119 --> 01:00:49.079
excuses for being there, including an unmarked helicopter hovering overhead

1043
01:00:50.280 --> 01:00:53.360
real men in black type. Jack was there with him

1044
01:00:53.400 --> 01:00:57.559
for some of these experiences. Chuck has since lost contact

1045
01:00:57.639 --> 01:01:00.960
with the other three now he didn't interview twenty sixteen.

1046
01:01:01.039 --> 01:01:04.199
In which he said he was lying about it all. However,

1047
01:01:04.639 --> 01:01:07.280
he and all three men did do a polygraph in

1048
01:01:07.360 --> 01:01:10.960
nineteen ninety three and pass them. Not that those are

1049
01:01:11.000 --> 01:01:13.119
super hard to fake, but it would seem hard for

1050
01:01:13.239 --> 01:01:17.400
all four of them to lie and say the same things.

1051
01:01:18.280 --> 01:01:22.360
Charlie has a lasting pocket like scoop scar on the

1052
01:01:22.400 --> 01:01:25.559
inside of his thigh. He believes that he was visited

1053
01:01:25.559 --> 01:01:30.440
again in nineteen ninety five and underwent hypnosis with another ufologist,

1054
01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:34.000
but another story for another day. He now travels and

1055
01:01:34.039 --> 01:01:38.320
talks on panels at Muffon events. Jack had a weird

1056
01:01:38.440 --> 01:01:41.760
growth removed from his leg in nineteen eighty one that

1057
01:01:41.840 --> 01:01:45.719
the doctors couldn't identify and actually sent off for testing

1058
01:01:45.880 --> 01:01:49.280
at the Air Force, even though Jack had never been

1059
01:01:49.360 --> 01:01:53.320
in the military, the Air Force doctor said. The Air

1060
01:01:53.360 --> 01:01:55.360
Force doctor said they were just helping out because the

1061
01:01:55.400 --> 01:01:57.920
state hospitals were backed up. It's not a big deal.

1062
01:01:58.239 --> 01:01:59.679
Sure, sure.

1063
01:02:01.480 --> 01:02:05.159
He and his wife Mary were also are also hearing

1064
01:02:05.239 --> 01:02:09.159
humming or buzzing sounds randomly everywhere they go. Hey, guess

1065
01:02:09.159 --> 01:02:11.239
who else does that? Fucking me?

1066
01:02:11.599 --> 01:02:19.199
Dude? Maybe it's tonight, is it's yeah? Aliens? Okay, you

1067
01:02:19.320 --> 01:02:21.840
need to go to a therapist after this, I know,

1068
01:02:22.639 --> 01:02:24.239
I feel like you need to go talk with them,

1069
01:02:24.280 --> 01:02:28.320
but I'm scared too. I know, I love you. I'm sorry.

1070
01:02:29.519 --> 01:02:32.320
He and Jim did an interview in twenty fifteen, and

1071
01:02:32.440 --> 01:02:36.960
Jim also mentioned hearing the hum Both twins still get

1072
01:02:37.039 --> 01:02:41.800
visits at nights sometimes, but they feel differently about them.

1073
01:02:42.239 --> 01:02:44.320
Jim says he wakes up in the middle of the

1074
01:02:44.400 --> 01:02:47.599
night he can sometimes feel a malevolent presence.

1075
01:02:47.920 --> 01:02:48.920
Absolutely not.

1076
01:02:49.199 --> 01:02:52.239
He was fucking raped, so I get the malevolous.

1077
01:02:52.440 --> 01:02:53.480
That's malevolence.

1078
01:02:54.000 --> 01:02:54.159
Yeah.

1079
01:02:54.320 --> 01:02:56.920
The definition of Jack.

1080
01:02:56.960 --> 01:03:01.119
On the other hand, said quote, last time they visited,

1081
01:03:01.280 --> 01:03:04.679
they showed me our galaxy and said there was this

1082
01:03:04.880 --> 01:03:10.719
advanced civilization there who get energy from unconditional love. And

1083
01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:14.480
he touched me, and I felt love, like, is.

1084
01:03:14.559 --> 01:03:17.679
Not unconditional love. It's just like to make this announcement

1085
01:03:17.760 --> 01:03:23.119
on our ship right now, not unconditional love, this abuser talk.

1086
01:03:24.679 --> 01:03:27.239
And he touched me, and I felt love like you

1087
01:03:27.320 --> 01:03:31.119
love your wife or you love your mother. But time's

1088
01:03:31.159 --> 01:03:36.000
a kajillion And he said to me, you're ready, And

1089
01:03:36.039 --> 01:03:38.559
I said, what am I ready for? And he said,

1090
01:03:39.039 --> 01:03:41.920
when the time comes, you will know. And then I

1091
01:03:41.960 --> 01:03:46.960
woke up and I cried, yeah, I wi well when

1092
01:03:46.960 --> 01:03:54.119
he was saying it, he said he cried happy tears, yeah, Jim.

1093
01:03:54.440 --> 01:03:57.239
Jim is like, I'm being fucking raped and this is terrifying.

1094
01:03:57.679 --> 01:04:01.039
Jack is like, this is awesome.

1095
01:04:01.320 --> 01:04:05.840
They're showing the full twin test experience. They're like, let's

1096
01:04:05.840 --> 01:04:09.159
see how they react to two different They're just fucking

1097
01:04:09.280 --> 01:04:11.079
doing a twin study.

1098
01:04:11.119 --> 01:04:15.239
It's so weird. So that's that. That's the Allagash abduction.

1099
01:04:16.639 --> 01:04:18.000
I have to tell you about this picture.

1100
01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:18.320
Okay.

1101
01:04:18.360 --> 01:04:21.679
So I read this whole book cover to cover, like

1102
01:04:21.760 --> 01:04:23.599
the whole thing. I read all of it all right.

1103
01:04:24.440 --> 01:04:28.400
On this one random page, there's a picture with a

1104
01:04:28.440 --> 01:04:32.280
little caption here. Okay, then and I circled it and wrote,

1105
01:04:32.480 --> 01:04:37.199
what because nowhere in this entire book, cover to cover,

1106
01:04:37.840 --> 01:04:44.159
nowhere is the mentioned No. This is a photo of

1107
01:04:44.239 --> 01:04:48.239
four people standing and one person down here on the ground,

1108
01:04:48.239 --> 01:04:50.480
which I'll show you closer in a second. And it

1109
01:04:50.519 --> 01:04:55.559
says the Alligash four plus one from left to right

1110
01:04:55.599 --> 01:04:59.400
in the back, Charlie Foltz, Chuck Rack, and the Wiener Twins.

1111
01:05:00.280 --> 01:05:04.119
Seated man came out of the woods, stayed for a while,

1112
01:05:04.639 --> 01:05:15.400
left and never gave his name. What what the actual fuck.

1113
01:05:17.440 --> 01:05:18.639
What's happening here?

1114
01:05:19.119 --> 01:05:22.159
He just came out. He just came out for a photo.

1115
01:05:24.440 --> 01:05:25.239
Is he an alien?

1116
01:05:26.239 --> 01:05:29.400
Is he from the future, the past? Who the fuck

1117
01:05:29.559 --> 01:05:29.880
is he?

1118
01:05:31.679 --> 01:05:36.719
Look it, that's look a lot older than them, one

1119
01:05:36.760 --> 01:05:39.000
of them in the future. And he's just like blipped

1120
01:05:39.039 --> 01:05:41.280
back to be like, what's up.

1121
01:05:42.000 --> 01:05:45.320
I don't understand, and it's not.

1122
01:05:45.880 --> 01:05:46.960
They don't talk about this.

1123
01:05:47.079 --> 01:05:54.840
Picture at all in this fucking three hundred and forty

1124
01:05:54.920 --> 01:05:55.920
seven page book.

1125
01:05:56.440 --> 01:05:58.800
I love there, what.

1126
01:06:00.519 --> 01:06:05.760
I don't I don't know this. This is the Algash Abductions,

1127
01:06:05.960 --> 01:06:11.119
Undeniable Evidence of Alien Intervention by Raymond E. Fowler. And

1128
01:06:11.639 --> 01:06:15.639
this is a scary book, but it was an adventure.

1129
01:06:15.400 --> 01:06:20.519
For sure, so was this episode. My goodness, send me

1130
01:06:20.559 --> 01:06:23.920
a picture of that picture as well, with your caption

1131
01:06:24.119 --> 01:06:26.840
in the bottom, because fuck, that's funny.

1132
01:06:27.239 --> 01:06:30.079
Oh my god, that's.

1133
01:06:29.920 --> 01:06:33.960
Just like out of all of the horrors that happened

1134
01:06:33.960 --> 01:06:36.079
throughout this book. And then they're like, oh, yeah, we

1135
01:06:36.199 --> 01:06:37.920
met this guy.

1136
01:06:38.400 --> 01:06:42.400
This random fucking dude, no one knows his name. He

1137
01:06:42.519 --> 01:06:43.719
just sat in front of us.

1138
01:06:44.079 --> 01:06:46.239
Yeah, he was just like, oh, you guys are taking

1139
01:06:46.239 --> 01:06:51.719
a photo, okay. Why It's like, you don't want to

1140
01:06:51.760 --> 01:06:54.719
be rude when you're taking photos, especially when you don't

1141
01:06:54.719 --> 01:06:56.719
know people, but you want to take photos with like

1142
01:06:56.760 --> 01:06:59.719
your people too, And this was one of those moments

1143
01:06:59.760 --> 01:07:01.360
where they are like, well, I guess you're just here.

1144
01:07:02.360 --> 01:07:06.440
Yeah, and it's fucking nineteen seventy four, so it's not

1145
01:07:06.519 --> 01:07:08.360
like they have we got limited photos.

1146
01:07:09.280 --> 01:07:11.679
We got a phone, we can take a whole bunch. Yeah,

1147
01:07:13.519 --> 01:07:16.400
oh no, they had that. It was like before the

1148
01:07:16.440 --> 01:07:19.480
wind and snaps that we had.

1149
01:07:19.559 --> 01:07:22.280
Yeah, they probably asked that guy to take the picture

1150
01:07:22.320 --> 01:07:24.440
and he was like I got this and like set

1151
01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:25.480
it up and then was like.

1152
01:07:26.639 --> 01:07:30.000
He like misunderstood right right, tutting it out there, Like

1153
01:07:30.039 --> 01:07:31.599
what do we say? They don't want to be rude.

1154
01:07:32.079 --> 01:07:35.280
Like the other thing is.

1155
01:07:36.840 --> 01:07:41.719
Seated man came out of the woods, I know, stayed

1156
01:07:41.920 --> 01:07:49.760
for a while, left, never gave his name.

1157
01:07:50.880 --> 01:07:58.039
I even underlined that part, like how seated man came

1158
01:07:58.079 --> 01:07:59.960
out of the woods. What the fuck was he doing

1159
01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:03.800
in the woods? Where did he go? He did he

1160
01:08:03.880 --> 01:08:07.159
go back into the woods? What?

1161
01:08:08.199 --> 01:08:11.480
Oh, maybe he's Boo Boo from the past. You know

1162
01:08:11.559 --> 01:08:18.039
what that checks out. It's insane for those that have

1163
01:08:18.199 --> 01:08:20.359
zero idea what I'm talking about. Boo boo is the

1164
01:08:20.840 --> 01:08:23.880
bush man, And I know that's offensive of a term

1165
01:08:23.920 --> 01:08:27.520
that's here doesn't like when I use it. That we

1166
01:08:27.680 --> 01:08:31.399
run into when we've gone camping at Pacific Beach. He

1167
01:08:31.760 --> 01:08:36.159
always gives us a beer. He always offers us this newspaper.

1168
01:08:36.239 --> 01:08:38.359
He's a very nice man. We didn't see him last year.

1169
01:08:38.359 --> 01:08:42.399
I hope he's okay, But what the fuck?

1170
01:08:43.199 --> 01:08:44.399
Yeah, what to the fuck?

1171
01:08:44.920 --> 01:08:46.680
I'm really glad you brought that up at the end

1172
01:08:48.000 --> 01:08:51.600
as a little palate cleanser, But also I'm so concerned.

1173
01:08:52.640 --> 01:08:57.199
I'm gonna be thinking about this man for millennia. Yeah,

1174
01:08:57.720 --> 01:09:00.239
he was like who was he? Maybe he was that's

1175
01:09:00.239 --> 01:09:02.279
one of them. Maybe he was like testing them. Maybe

1176
01:09:02.279 --> 01:09:04.720
he was like is this person cool? Like are they

1177
01:09:04.760 --> 01:09:10.319
cool enough to have their penises examined with a light? Also, like,

1178
01:09:10.439 --> 01:09:15.520
no one wants to see that up close? Okay, no one? Yeah.

1179
01:09:15.920 --> 01:09:20.439
So one thing that I probably shouldn't say, because I

1180
01:09:20.439 --> 01:09:23.239
don't know if this is considered like what's the word

1181
01:09:23.279 --> 01:09:29.039
where you are lying about somebody? Oh yeah, something with

1182
01:09:29.079 --> 01:09:32.119
an oil or something. Yeah, anyway, I.

1183
01:09:32.079 --> 01:09:33.840
Know what you're trying to say, and I can't get

1184
01:09:33.880 --> 01:09:36.000
it off my mouth. Yeah.

1185
01:09:36.159 --> 01:09:40.119
So, so, Chuck Rack, is I Okay. You know, he

1186
01:09:40.239 --> 01:09:43.119
says that he he made it all up. It's like

1187
01:09:43.159 --> 01:09:43.720
this never happened.

1188
01:09:43.760 --> 01:09:44.399
I made it all up.

1189
01:09:44.800 --> 01:09:48.000
And the other guys were like, well, he you know,

1190
01:09:48.920 --> 01:09:52.479
this happened all this time, and when the time came,

1191
01:09:52.760 --> 01:09:54.960
he wanted a book deal or something and they were like, no,

1192
01:09:55.000 --> 01:09:56.960
we're not making money off of this. He's like, fine,

1193
01:09:56.960 --> 01:09:58.560
that I'm gonna tell them all was fake. And so

1194
01:09:58.600 --> 01:10:01.079
they're not friends anymore because he did that. He told

1195
01:10:01.079 --> 01:10:03.439
them all. He told everyone, oh, I just made it up.

1196
01:10:03.479 --> 01:10:06.039
It's not real. But like it's kind of hard to

1197
01:10:06.079 --> 01:10:08.640
make that up. But anyway, it doesn't matter. That was

1198
01:10:08.640 --> 01:10:12.199
in twenty sixteen and it happened in seventy six so

1199
01:10:12.279 --> 01:10:16.279
like he decided, yeah, that much later that he was

1200
01:10:16.319 --> 01:10:18.000
going to say it was fake anyway.

1201
01:10:19.520 --> 01:10:23.199
The author called him, Does him take your trauma away? Sir?

1202
01:10:23.800 --> 01:10:30.560
Yeah? The author called him macho man. I'm thinking maybe

1203
01:10:30.960 --> 01:10:34.039
he just exaggerated some of the things, because when he

1204
01:10:34.119 --> 01:10:37.880
started talking about his penis stuff, it seemed like.

1205
01:10:37.920 --> 01:10:40.399
He was much more aggressive.

1206
01:10:40.640 --> 01:10:43.279
Yeah, well he was, like they looked at it closer,

1207
01:10:43.560 --> 01:10:51.439
they just shined more light on it, like it oh, all.

1208
01:10:51.399 --> 01:10:55.720
Right, I didn't say that I'll take that.

1209
01:10:55.239 --> 01:10:57.520
But yeah, he just I just seemed to be like, yeah,

1210
01:10:57.560 --> 01:10:59.319
they really wanted to my penis.

1211
01:11:00.079 --> 01:11:04.680
Uh yeah, I genuine fear is felt though for sure

1212
01:11:04.840 --> 01:11:08.359
in all of this, like, oh, yeah, I'm stressed.

1213
01:11:08.920 --> 01:11:12.800
It's stressful. You have something happy to share to Uh,

1214
01:11:13.239 --> 01:11:14.720
be done with that stress.

1215
01:11:15.399 --> 01:11:17.399
You said that right as I took the last wig

1216
01:11:17.439 --> 01:11:20.239
of my wine, and then I tried not to laugh.

1217
01:11:20.920 --> 01:11:24.520
My something happy is I had mentioned to Sandy that

1218
01:11:24.560 --> 01:11:26.800
I was going to go to his beach to Sandy

1219
01:11:26.840 --> 01:11:31.119
show and that we should try and get lunch or something,

1220
01:11:31.800 --> 01:11:35.520
and he they comped our tickets, which is nice. And

1221
01:11:35.680 --> 01:11:38.520
now I've got two shows comped back to back. But

1222
01:11:38.560 --> 01:11:42.880
I'm sad because you aren't coming. Yeah, you gotta come

1223
01:11:42.880 --> 01:11:46.640
to Vancouver, come to Seattle in Nova in October.

1224
01:11:46.920 --> 01:11:50.359
Okay, doubtful, but who knows.

1225
01:11:50.920 --> 01:11:53.319
Well. You keep me posted even if at the last

1226
01:11:53.319 --> 01:11:55.680
minute you're like, yes, I'm gonna come visit you. Kevin

1227
01:11:55.760 --> 01:12:02.600
gets the boot. But yeah, so I'm super excited about that.

1228
01:12:02.600 --> 01:12:06.000
That was very sweet of him to offer that. Hopefully

1229
01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:07.760
that means I get to have lunch with both of them,

1230
01:12:07.800 --> 01:12:11.760
that would be cool. Yeah. If not, you know, we

1231
01:12:11.840 --> 01:12:15.840
love Sandy. He is really enjoying New York. He says hello,

1232
01:12:15.920 --> 01:12:20.800
and he wishes you well in your move nice and

1233
01:12:20.920 --> 01:12:23.520
he says, you know, so that's can be stressful and

1234
01:12:24.239 --> 01:12:27.800
we definitely need to do something creatively soon. And I

1235
01:12:27.840 --> 01:12:31.439
was like, absolutely, So that's my message in Sandy Slash

1236
01:12:31.479 --> 01:12:34.960
exciting news. Very excited to go see Beach to Sandy Live.

1237
01:12:35.000 --> 01:12:38.880
I love their show. They are my palate cleanser besides

1238
01:12:39.840 --> 01:12:43.079
Tennis and Live laf larceny, Like, you know, we got

1239
01:12:43.079 --> 01:12:46.760
we got some good palette cleansers in our books. Passages

1240
01:12:47.039 --> 01:12:51.439
also great. You can't listen to that at work. Definitely

1241
01:12:51.520 --> 01:12:54.720
not safe, mostly just because you know, you try and

1242
01:12:54.760 --> 01:12:58.159
put an earbuton and you're discreet about it, and then

1243
01:12:58.319 --> 01:13:01.960
Robbie screams at something that's like, why is your head exploding?

1244
01:13:04.079 --> 01:13:10.479
So because Robert Pattinson Pillow is working overtime for sure, Yeah,

1245
01:13:10.520 --> 01:13:13.760
but yeah, So I'm very excited about that. I feel

1246
01:13:13.880 --> 01:13:15.880
very you know, it's cool when you work in this

1247
01:13:15.960 --> 01:13:18.359
industry for so long and you've collaborated with so many

1248
01:13:18.359 --> 01:13:20.800
people and it's like little winds, you know, if you

1249
01:13:20.840 --> 01:13:23.319
look at their schedules, something that's close to you did

1250
01:13:23.680 --> 01:13:27.079
none of it is none. Look at the where else

1251
01:13:27.119 --> 01:13:27.680
they were going on.

1252
01:13:27.880 --> 01:13:30.760
The stiest thing to me is Tampa and that's five

1253
01:13:30.840 --> 01:13:31.560
hours away.

1254
01:13:32.439 --> 01:13:34.319
Well, Seattle's four hours for me.

1255
01:13:35.119 --> 01:13:36.680
Yeah, but it's also on a weekend that I have

1256
01:13:36.720 --> 01:13:39.640
to take Sissy to her fucking dad, which is three

1257
01:13:39.680 --> 01:13:41.000
hours direction.

1258
01:13:41.960 --> 01:13:44.680
It's on a Wednesday, so I'm definitely gonna have to

1259
01:13:44.680 --> 01:13:50.159
take that day off of work. But I'm excited either way.

1260
01:13:50.279 --> 01:13:55.039
I'm sorry. I was super excited thinking maybe they would

1261
01:13:55.039 --> 01:13:58.039
go to Cincinnati or Atlanta, those things I can go to.

1262
01:13:58.119 --> 01:14:00.800
I have a reason to go to Cincinnati. Atlanta's not

1263
01:14:00.840 --> 01:14:01.319
that far.

1264
01:14:01.560 --> 01:14:03.399
Well, you couldn't go to And that's why we bring

1265
01:14:03.359 --> 01:14:05.560
it to Cincinnati because it was so close from when

1266
01:14:05.600 --> 01:14:05.960
we were.

1267
01:14:06.119 --> 01:14:09.840
It was like the day after something. It's like, I

1268
01:14:09.840 --> 01:14:10.439
can't get there.

1269
01:14:11.000 --> 01:14:13.159
You can't get there that fast. You should have gone

1270
01:14:13.159 --> 01:14:14.800
to the New Orleans one. That would have been a

1271
01:14:14.800 --> 01:14:20.159
good one. Yeah, especially given the topic. But anyways, that's

1272
01:14:20.399 --> 01:14:25.039
offer will still stand for life. That's that's the cool part. Yeah,

1273
01:14:25.079 --> 01:14:30.479
so uh, very honored to have some cool peeps is

1274
01:14:30.560 --> 01:14:32.560
my moral. And then the other thing that I'm really

1275
01:14:32.560 --> 01:14:35.640
excited about is that I am like twenty pages away

1276
01:14:35.640 --> 01:14:39.439
from finishing a Court of Silver Flames, so you will

1277
01:14:39.439 --> 01:14:42.239
have to come over to Bitch and Wine on Patreon

1278
01:14:42.960 --> 01:14:45.880
to tell me, no, to let me tell you about that.

1279
01:14:46.039 --> 01:14:49.000
And also I started fourth wainging and see herus like

1280
01:14:49.199 --> 01:14:51.159
shitting her pants every five minutes about it.

1281
01:14:51.359 --> 01:14:55.600
Speaking of everything you just said, did you listen to

1282
01:14:55.600 --> 01:15:00.439
today yesterday's episode of Beach to Sandy No, when they

1283
01:15:00.439 --> 01:15:02.960
were talking about reading a guitar and Fourth Wing.

1284
01:15:03.319 --> 01:15:05.760
No, do they both read them? Oh?

1285
01:15:05.760 --> 01:15:10.439
Well, well they both read A Cord of Thorns and Roses.

1286
01:15:12.880 --> 01:15:16.720
Christine gave up immediately. Oh okay, she said she didn't

1287
01:15:16.760 --> 01:15:18.000
like it. She's not reading anymore.

1288
01:15:18.640 --> 01:15:20.520
Oh, World Building is a hard book.

1289
01:15:20.600 --> 01:15:25.359
Okay, then I mean the first one. The first one

1290
01:15:25.399 --> 01:15:27.640
isn't amazing anyway. I tell people that all the time,

1291
01:15:27.680 --> 01:15:29.720
you have to read the second one. Zandy's reading the

1292
01:15:29.720 --> 01:15:34.159
second one. Yes, he says it's better, which duh. Okay.

1293
01:15:34.560 --> 01:15:38.399
Christine read Fourth Wing said she didn't like it very much,

1294
01:15:38.520 --> 01:15:42.720
which gross. Okay, I'm disappointed. I can't wait for Sandy

1295
01:15:42.720 --> 01:15:45.960
to read it. But she's now reading A Throne of

1296
01:15:46.000 --> 01:15:48.960
Glass and loving that, which I also love Thrown of Glass.

1297
01:15:49.319 --> 01:15:51.760
So I feel like we have a lot to talk about.

1298
01:15:52.159 --> 01:15:55.079
Yeah, should we just have the sheer sibs on for

1299
01:15:55.199 --> 01:15:55.720
book talk?

1300
01:15:57.000 --> 01:15:58.039
We might have to.

1301
01:16:00.079 --> 01:16:03.520
After you.

1302
01:16:04.319 --> 01:16:06.800
Fourth Wing. Zandy needs to read Fourth Wing and we

1303
01:16:06.800 --> 01:16:11.880
can all have a fourth Conversation club conversation.

1304
01:16:12.039 --> 01:16:12.760
Yeah, there you go.

1305
01:16:13.199 --> 01:16:15.760
There you go about fourth thing all day long, so

1306
01:16:15.840 --> 01:16:16.560
I know you can.

1307
01:16:17.319 --> 01:16:20.840
I'm sorry that I literally got out of the shower

1308
01:16:20.920 --> 01:16:23.840
last night and I passed the fuck out like I

1309
01:16:24.039 --> 01:16:27.560
was done. I like had wet hair and a towel

1310
01:16:27.880 --> 01:16:32.279
on top of my head and half like dressed, half

1311
01:16:32.319 --> 01:16:37.880
blankets on, and Kevin's like, oh goodness, so my hair

1312
01:16:37.880 --> 01:16:40.800
looks greasy as fuck for somebody that watched it yesterday

1313
01:16:40.840 --> 01:16:43.359
because I fell asleep with wet hair in a towel.

1314
01:16:44.359 --> 01:16:45.000
It happens.

1315
01:16:45.680 --> 01:16:47.079
What is your something happy?

1316
01:16:47.479 --> 01:16:55.039
Well, something happy is finally it's more something interesting that

1317
01:16:55.079 --> 01:16:56.640
I've just been wanting to tell you that I found

1318
01:16:56.680 --> 01:16:59.880
out about because I was researching this. Okay, so it's

1319
01:17:00.119 --> 01:17:03.039
arted is something happy before I read this book, when

1320
01:17:03.079 --> 01:17:07.239
I was just getting ready to read this book by

1321
01:17:07.319 --> 01:17:11.319
something happy? Was that the I literally, okay, let me

1322
01:17:11.399 --> 01:17:15.079
just say that, Zandy, if you're listening, I am not.

1323
01:17:15.359 --> 01:17:17.159
This is not a dig at you but it's also

1324
01:17:17.199 --> 01:17:20.479
a little bit a dig at you. Okay. They like

1325
01:17:20.560 --> 01:17:23.479
to make fun of people. They like to make fun

1326
01:17:23.479 --> 01:17:26.319
of people who call themselves empaths, which, on the one hand,

1327
01:17:26.399 --> 01:17:30.920
I get it, everybody should be empathetic. However, I literally

1328
01:17:30.960 --> 01:17:35.279
think that I am an EmPATH, okay, because I have more.

1329
01:17:35.640 --> 01:17:37.439
I'm not saying I'm better than you because I have

1330
01:17:37.479 --> 01:17:40.760
more empathy than you. I just I can't control the

1331
01:17:40.800 --> 01:17:43.960
amount of empathy I have. Okay. So the reason I

1332
01:17:43.960 --> 01:17:45.960
say this is I was at my house the other night,

1333
01:17:46.119 --> 01:17:49.520
my new house. It was, you know, out in the sticks, Okay,

1334
01:17:50.159 --> 01:17:54.640
it's nighttime. I walked outside and looked up and literally

1335
01:17:55.000 --> 01:17:59.399
started crying because I could see the stars so fucking

1336
01:17:59.479 --> 01:18:03.399
bright that it just made me happy, Okay, I was

1337
01:18:03.479 --> 01:18:07.359
just so it was like, oh my God, Like I

1338
01:18:07.399 --> 01:18:11.079
can actually see constellations and stuff. There's no light pollution

1339
01:18:11.199 --> 01:18:12.640
out there, Like it's yeah.

1340
01:18:12.439 --> 01:18:16.479
That's beautiful. Maybe three times in my life, and it's oppressed.

1341
01:18:17.119 --> 01:18:20.439
It's so great. And I was super excited because I

1342
01:18:20.439 --> 01:18:25.079
found this new app. It's called Enigma.

1343
01:18:25.640 --> 01:18:27.479
No, well, I have heard of it, but I'm not.

1344
01:18:27.640 --> 01:18:28.520
I don't have it.

1345
01:18:28.640 --> 01:18:36.000
The app Enigma is for people who have seen UFOs.

1346
01:18:36.399 --> 01:18:40.439
It is for sightings and alerts. You type in your

1347
01:18:40.520 --> 01:18:43.600
location of where you saw it, and you can even

1348
01:18:43.640 --> 01:18:46.000
put a video if you want, and you can put

1349
01:18:46.000 --> 01:18:50.560
a description of your sighting and blah blah blah, you

1350
01:18:50.560 --> 01:18:51.680
can record, you.

1351
01:18:51.640 --> 01:18:52.479
Can like that.

1352
01:18:52.640 --> 01:18:56.479
It's super cool, okay, and there are sightings around here.

1353
01:18:57.000 --> 01:18:59.920
And I was like, oh, I can see UFOs and stuff.

1354
01:19:00.239 --> 01:19:01.439
And then I read this book and I was like,

1355
01:19:01.600 --> 01:19:03.880
not cool, not.

1356
01:19:03.520 --> 01:19:08.720
Go so cool and not I need a Manda to

1357
01:19:08.840 --> 01:19:13.000
listen to this episode and tell us what she thinks. Yeah,

1358
01:19:13.199 --> 01:19:15.560
I don't know if she'll be pro probing after this.

1359
01:19:17.079 --> 01:19:21.680
I don't think she will ever utter those words again. Right, Well,

1360
01:19:21.720 --> 01:19:24.239
I'm gonna download it. Well I want to download a enigma,

1361
01:19:24.279 --> 01:19:25.159
but now I'm afraid to.

1362
01:19:25.840 --> 01:19:28.239
There was a video about other sightings.

1363
01:19:29.000 --> 01:19:31.319
There was a video about something that happened in Vancouver

1364
01:19:31.399 --> 01:19:32.159
the other day and it.

1365
01:19:32.159 --> 01:19:34.880
Was like blue shit ton of sightings in Vancouver.

1366
01:19:35.279 --> 01:19:37.159
Oh yeah, they happen all the time. But also a

1367
01:19:37.159 --> 01:19:41.760
lot of people miss like on cloudy, gross foggy days,

1368
01:19:41.800 --> 01:19:46.800
people misinterpret the lights around Roger's Arena that flash for

1369
01:19:46.840 --> 01:19:50.119
the Vancouver Canucks, the blue and Green as being like aliens,

1370
01:19:50.159 --> 01:19:52.640
and I'm like, no, you're not asked. Those are your

1371
01:19:52.760 --> 01:19:57.720
hockey colors, and that's what's flashing around the stadium right now. Yeah,

1372
01:19:57.760 --> 01:19:59.600
but no, we do get a lot of sightings here

1373
01:19:59.680 --> 01:20:02.880
as I've had shit like me and Kevin, like two

1374
01:20:02.880 --> 01:20:05.680
weeks after we moved in here, we saw weird lights

1375
01:20:06.520 --> 01:20:09.239
off our balcony and we like tried to follow it

1376
01:20:09.279 --> 01:20:11.199
around the building and then by the time we got

1377
01:20:11.439 --> 01:20:13.840
outside and to the front of the building, we couldn't

1378
01:20:13.840 --> 01:20:17.279
see it anymore. But it was weird. So that's like,

1379
01:20:17.479 --> 01:20:19.640
that's how aliens like to operate, just like a quick

1380
01:20:19.680 --> 01:20:21.239
little flash that they're gone.

1381
01:20:21.800 --> 01:20:24.760
Yeah, there's I mean there, there's so many fucking exciting

1382
01:20:24.920 --> 01:20:29.039
I just feel like there's so much too. I don't know,

1383
01:20:29.520 --> 01:20:32.000
read about, learn about, see about.

1384
01:20:32.399 --> 01:20:34.640
Well, hopefully it's not the end of the world. So

1385
01:20:35.239 --> 01:20:38.479
let us know what your guys, series are your thoughts? Uh,

1386
01:20:38.600 --> 01:20:43.840
do you still love the aliens? Are dolphins? That aliens?

1387
01:20:43.880 --> 01:20:47.319
All our octopus is good aliens? Let me hear what

1388
01:20:47.359 --> 01:20:50.319
you have to say. I'm so stressed out right now

1389
01:20:50.319 --> 01:20:53.600
that I literally have not made sense. It's an entire episode. Yeah,

1390
01:20:53.600 --> 01:20:57.399
So recording Urban Legend possibly after This will be exciting,

1391
01:20:57.720 --> 01:21:00.039
but we love you so so much and we we

1392
01:21:00.039 --> 01:21:03.760
will see you next week for my What's My Last

1393
01:21:03.800 --> 01:21:09.079
TIB Disappeared episode and in the meantime, keep it twisted.

1394
01:21:09.920 --> 01:21:13.560
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1395
01:21:14.119 --> 01:21:18.119
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1396
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1400
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