Heroines of Horror: The True Haunting Behind Vessel

0:02 I ended up going to a psychic that I met at a party, and that's kind of where we leave off with our story and pick up in our movie Vessel, like what happened next, because involving the psychic kind of escalated the situation and things got a little crazier. I feel like. That's how it goes a lot of times. It's like they sense you're trying to. Get rid of me, right, I will be holding on. Hi Kitlin, Hi Cassie, Hi creepy people.

0:43 Hello. If you're new to our creepy corner of the world, this is PNW Hanson Homicides where we chat about true crime, the paranormal, and all things spooky, creepy, witchy in the Pacific Northwest. And we also do a tarot reading at the end of every episode for a little bit of deeper insight into our topic. We do have some special guests today with us. We have Aurora and Fanny, who are founders of The Bad Witch's Productions, a fem led indie production company that focuses on supporting women and their stories, which is very important. Fanny is directing their latest project, a horror short called Vessel, based on something that Aurora actually experienced. So can we just start right off, because I need to know, like what happened and why did you decide to make a movie out of it?

1:37 Sure, so I experienced some ghost activity, and this was during a time that was like a little tumultuous for me, which I now understand is probably like how this happens for a lot of people, because like the more your life is in chaos, the more you are to track kind of some weird energy it invites, right, So just you know, keep it light everyone, if you don't want this to happen to you, keep a jill, keep it fun, keep it happy. But yeah, we all have a ghost in this economy. Final show ghosts.

2:19 But yeah, So at the time, it was during the film strikes, and so it was this thing where my husband and I, who both work in film, thought that maybe it was going to last like a couple of months with the writer strikes. And of course we're kind of not really out of it. Technically we're out of the strikes, but studios still aren't doing shows and stuff. But we were kind of thrown in the situation where we had just finished working on a show in Vancouver. Percy Jackson, and we were going to take like a little break until we found our next show. Go stay with my parents in Columbus, Ohio, where I'm from, and just kind of spend some time with them. My mom allegedly was going through some health issues. It's hard to know with her, like whatever is going on, She's a little bit of an unhinged person, right happy, So we go to stay with her, and like three days into what we assume would be a couple of weeks, my mom and I have this big blow up fight, which is pretty standard in our family. My mom has a lot of mental health stuff. Honestly me too, and so like we had this clash right out of the gate, and so my husband and I decided to just like kind of hang out in Columbus for a bit, see if my mom decided to pull it together and spend some time with my sister and her kids. And one of my sister's kids who's like in their twenties. They are their name's Clay, and they're also into very spooky stuff like I am. Honestly, it's like Clay is like my child. The most women's similarities. Yeah, And so we

3:53 were trying to think of things to do. And we decided to make a list of the most haunted places in Columbus, Ohio, and we were gonna make like we put him on a map, and we're going to go around to each one and just kind of like talk to people if they had ever seen or experienced anything, and just kind of see, like what's really going on with the ghost scene in Columbus, Ohio. Heck, yeah, love that? Well, I'm sure it started off great. Yeah, you like, do I love that? Is this a good idea? No, it's great. Organize a list and a map of all the places that I need to stay far far far far far right.

4:35 Well, we went right into it. And we started off with the Celton House, which is this really old house in Victorian Village in Columbus, and this old family has owned it for hundreds of years. Like the great great grandfather was very involved in Columbus politics. He even carried Lincoln's casket in his funeral, which was like a big honor to be a paul Bear in a president's funeral. So like they're this very wealthy connected family and they're like attributed for helping establish Columbus. Wow, And so this house is like still there. It was part of the underground railroad. There's like all this cool history to it, and part of a history is definitely a ghost history. Each October they do a ghost tour.

5:23 When I was there, it was in April, so there were no ghost tours going on, so we decided just to go on a regular historical tour. They kind of show you around the house and talk about the Celton family and you know, all these cool happenings there. So while we're there, we're asking the host of the tour if she's ever experienced anything ghostly. Of course, like one, what on a tour, I have to make it into a ghost tour? Yeah, Like this isn't a ghost stour, it's about to be. Yeah. So she's kind of not in the mood to talk about it, and she mentions like a couple things to us about how there are like a number of people who have died in this house. Of course, like families like during that time would stay at home when they're about to pass away. So there's people like dying of like natural causes. There was a little girl who fell out of the second story window and broke her neck and died. There's like a soldier that came there to visit the family and had been like wounded.

6:23 He died there. And there's like all these stories along with that and the underground railroad stuff, so allegedly this place is quite haunted. And when I asked if this lady had experienced anything specific, she said, occasionally lights would flicker and she would smell cigarette smoke, and whenever she would smell that, she knew it was Grace. They're like big resident ghost. Yeah. So Grace was like the last person to own the Celton House. She was the daughter of this like lineage family and she didn't have any siblings or children, so she was the last to own it. And when she passed away in the seventies, she left the house to a historical organization to preserve all this cool stuff about it, and so she's known to kind of like hang out there.

7:12 And after the tour, my nibbling and I and nibbling's the term for non binary needs Inphew. Yeah, and it was not such a cute word like nibbling. I love it's adorable, and Clay is also adorable, So I love that it's like such a cute word to describe. Such a cute person. It's perfect. So we're looking around and we're looking in this china cabinet. I have my phone now I'm making content for my true crime account, my TikTok and stuff we do like true ghost haunted stories like sometimes. So I'm like trying to get video of the house whatever for that. I'm like videoing inside this cabinet, and all of a sudden, the door slams closed, and we're just like gets an old house.

7:58 Who knows. We both look at each other and we're like Grace jokingly, like Grace doesn't want us looking at her dishes, so we just we don't think much of it, you know, like it could have been the houses off, you know, or whatever. Who knows. I mean it's still settling. Yeah, hundreds of years later, yeah yeah. So that was like the first little like mini thing. And then we go out to the car and it's April and Columbus. So it had been like really nice and sunny, a beautiful spring day. But now the weather has shifted. It's cold and rainy. So we go out to my jeep and I'm like pushing the button to turn on the heat, like pushing it up, up, up, up, up and nothing's happening, and like five seconds later just like shoots up like twenty degrees and it's a new jeep. I've never experienced any like weird electrical things in it.

8:51 And again, my nibbling and I. Are like think it's silly, and we're like Grace, she's following us around that Grace. Oh, so she's like, yeah, they want me here. Right, They're like calling me. Yeah, they're like obsessy. Right. So then like over the next week, stranger things start happening. And the first of the events that I start to pick up on for real is that I'm not sleeping well. And part of that is because when I try to fall asleep, there's like this orange light in my subconscious and I've never experienced that before. It's like normally when you go to sleep, it's lights out.

9:38 Everything's black, and the color of speak to me. If I if I had to think of a color which I'd never thought of before this, I'd. Be like, sleep is black, Like sleep is nothing. Yeah, it's great, but like I can't fall asleep because it's like there's like this light on inside of my mind and I'm sleeping in this dark room with I always have like a face mask on, like I am like such a bedtime princess. I have like my likey meds I take like I'm tee this, like I have like new moisture. I run my lip gloss like my face mask, Like I love this. Say that's true. And so I'm not sleeping. My sleep's orange. It's creepy. And then my dog hurts growling at me.

10:18 Oh no, no, thank you. Yeah, And like at first I was like, oh, maybe he ate something weird and needs to go for a walk. Like it's still a little weird that he's growling at me, but you know, if you got to go, you gotta go. So like I didn't react to listen, that's fine. So like I take him for a walk, and he's just kind of like, you know, sniffing around. He peas once or twice. He's doing normal dog stuff. Clearly he doesn't have to go to the bathroom and that's not why. He had woken up. So we go back inside and then he's kind of restless and he's trying to get like comfortable by me. But when I woke up again, like a couple hours later, he's sleeping in the closet, like he wouldn't sleep next to me, And from that night on he wouldn't sleep next to me. He started sleeping in the closet, which is like such an active betrayal.

11:08 Are you leaving me to deal with this ghost? Yeah, that would be such a red flag for me. Yeah, maybe it. Was in the closet and he was protecting you from it. Well, well let's let's explore that, because I don't think that's what it was. But had run away first. Yeah, and he's he's like he's kind of like a fussy dog. He's a Pomeranian, but he always sleeps right next to me in bad he like pretty much sleeps on my pillow like I sleep in my side, and he's a little like nook right next to me, Like he's not necessarily cuddly, but he likes to at least steal my warmth. Yes, I want to be near you. I want to know that you're not leaving me and going and having right snacks without me, right, I love secrets.

11:58 Yes, everyone, So you know I get this point, Like I can like I can tell something's weird, but I'm also going through this trauma, like the fight with my mom was exponential, and I'm going through hard time. I'm not working a lot of film. People like are worried about losing houses and stuff like it's going on so long, so like I'm in a state of stress. So I'm like, maybe it's just because of that. Like the next big thing that happened was I want to get my nails done and I want to a place that does gel manicures. So I put my hand in under the lamp to cure it, and every time I put my hand in the light turns off. And so my nail tech's like, that's weird and gets out a different lamp.

12:42 Same thing. I put my hand in, the light goes off. That is really weird, right. Yeah, Like the nail tech next to us gets involved. She's like, maybe it's the electrical thing. Whatever. She uses the lamp like, she puts her hand in there, she used it for a client. Works just fine, same outlet, just like the person right next to us lamp is working. So at this point I kind of like jokingly but half serious, like, God, what's going on? I'm like, I think I'm being haunted. Yeah, and my nail lady, without missing a beat, says no, I think you are. Oh, And so turns out I've been going to her for a while and like she's a bit clairvoyant, and she's like, no, like your energy is like so off today and I've never seen your like aura's a different color, like just everything about you seems different.

13:31 Is it orange? Right? Mind? Usually purple? No. So we're talking about it and about like what had happened, and she's like, well, you know, like when I was a kid, my dad actually had a spirit attached itself to him, and he had been going through a hard time and he had lost his job and had been like in a situation where like he was exposed to like a spirit and it's like everything started to fall apart for him. And her mom, who's also clairvoyant, ended up like calling a friend who was a medium. They took a picture of him and in the picture you could see these three orbs that all had a like man's face on it, and like somebody's anomalies can be explained, like if you're in the ghost world, like sometimes it's the reflection of you or this or whatever, but like this man very clearly had a mustache and looks like old timey. It was like nobody that was anywhere in this room with them, so like they're like, no, that's like a spirit that has attached itself to you. And so she had like explained to me that if you are going through a hard time like I had described earlier, and like if you're feeling sad depressed, if you're using substances, like there's like different things you do that can kind of like lower like your like vibration, and then ghosts like right before they died likely were in a similar state where they might have been depressed or sad or scared or whatever, and that like energy attracts like energy,

15:03 So if you're going through a hard time, you're more likely to have a spirit interested in you and to kind of feel comfortable in that space that feels familiar to them. It makes so much sense, But like way to pile on right? No talk about timing? Can I maybe catch a break? That's how I was feeling. And also like at this time, you know, I'm paying to go get my nails done because I'm a Taurus and I have to like keep like some like someone's of normalcy up. But like I'm worried financially, Like I don't know what's happening? Like I've not had a rift like this with my family in such a way, and I'm feeling very rejected by like the person who's supposed to love you unconditionally. And it's like and now I have a.

15:44 Ghost, right, and my nails are sticky but. We didn't eventually cure them. But she had to hold the light on the entire time. It was so crazy. That's really crazy. Okay, Well, I mean you got that going for you. Yeah, I got the fresh set, right geez. But so like after this, I was like, okay, like how do I get rid of this? Like I honestly have always been sort of interested in supernatural stuff, but not really sure if I believed it necessarily. Like it's not that I doubted people's experiences. I just don't really know how I feel about the afterlife and like all these things, like I had just never given it a ton of thought. Yeah, And so I was like, Okay, I am not equipped to deal with this. And it's like so uncomfortable, like knowing that something's kind of feeding on your energy when you have so little of it to give anyways, Absolutely, so I was like, okay, I need a psychic I need a medium. I don't know what to do, and I had gotten on TikTok to kind of like learn about like the process of what you can do about asking the spirit to leave and that kind of thing. And I ended up going to a psychic I met at a party, And that's kind of where we leave off with our story and pick up in our movie Vessel, like what happened next, because involving the psychic kind of escalated the situation and things got a little crazier.

17:16 I feel like that's how it goes a lot of times. It's like they sense you're trying to get ridded me. Right, I will be holding on. Yeah, So that's where Vessel comes in. That's where we're going to pick up our story. So like during the movie, we'll of course explain some about the haunting, but our girl goes to work with a medium to try to get rid of this and things get a little wild crazy. Yes, now I need to know the rest of the story. I'm dying if you watch it, well, now you've got me hooked. Spoilers.

17:58 So you mentioned when you were describing the movie to me that it's kind of a metaphor for women not having agency over their own bodies and not being believed about their experiences. Can you talk a little bit more about that? Sure? So you know, like during the time that I was going through this, people were definitely looking at me like I was a crazy person. And I get it, like this is all like a little weird, and you know, it's like is it in my head? Is this depression? Is it this? But like the way that people were approaching it like made me feel very broken, and it made me feel kind of like how it does when I go to the doctor and I'm having cramps and like have you taken and ibuprofen or.

18:42 Thank god you're here to remind me that it is right? Is right? And sit down? Right? That attitude for everything with women, And yes, I think it's something that like all women can relate to, you like going to the doctor for something and being blown off and going home and having to figure out what's going on on your own or never getting there. And you know, also with like sexual assault, it's the same thing. And I used to volunteer at a domestic violent shelter in Austin, Texas that also did rape crisis, so we would meet people who had been assaulted in the hospital and basically advocate for them, because police departments, when they send somebody in to interview somebody who's been raped, start with have you been drinking.

19:31 So sad? Like it's calm and awesome that make it not rape? Right? Yes? I mean, if anything, that should clarify that there wasn't consent right, you know, right alcohol involved. Oh, it's just it's not good. It's really bad. And so you know, when we decided to take on telling this story, I was like, I don't really want to tell it like a traditional ghost story, like this is kind of how I felt, like very dismissed, like I didn't have agent see over myself, and like I wasn't being believed about it, which was like part of like the horror of the situation going through it. It's like, how do you deal with this and nobody believes you? Like do I just have to live in this forever?

20:12 Right? That makes it really hard to feel like you can even begin to access resources. Yeah, for sure. I am particularly always interested in how horror films bring to life like these really scary moments that maybe when it's happening, it's like how do you how do you bring this to a screen and make it so other people are like seeing what you're seeing and experiencing it how you are. I imagine that can be like really really difficult to do. Is there any moments in this that could be challenging to bring to life or that you're excited about showing everybody? I don't think it's going to be challenging because we have pretty much everything planned, like all the scares and everything.

20:55 And if it's if it's well planned, it's easy to bring it to life. Actually, if like the shots are weaplaned, then how to and of course, thank goodness, we have an Emmy Award winning visual effects supervisor help. Yeah yeah, actually ours husband that really so that's amazing. Yeah, we have it planned. I won't spoiler it how and when you guys have to watch it to find out. But we have it all planned. We have it all planned. Yeah, we have a really good jump scare. But it is just planning, and it's writing a script that's done in a very visual way so you can see it. It's having good actors that can like really channel that emotion. And we have not cast our lead actress yet. We're still looking, but we have cast the there's two leads, one the other guy, and oh my god, he's so good.

21:55 Indeed, indeed, well that's exciting. I worked with him him on the show nineteen twenty three, which is the Yellowstone spit off with Harrison Ford and it's not Hair, but he plays Luca. If anybody's seen nineteen twenty three, he plays Luca. He was fantastic to work with on set, like he's a great actor, and I immediately thought of him for this role, like he has this great charisma and stuff that we really want from him. And we did a reading with him just to like we assumed that he would be good because like I've seen him work, but we still wanted to do a reading with him and see if he got the vision for the part. And he had read the script and then told us like how he like saw it, like what he perceived from it and what he perceived from the character. He'd really gotten into this mindset and then like his audition, I was like screaming internally because you have this idea like how you want an actor to perform it. And I was also like there for like the real thing, like I know how this actually played out, like who the characters actually are. But then like he brought something I didn't expect to it that like went beyond my expectations and like I had chills it was so good.

23:15 Oh that's amazing. That's like what you hope for. Yeah. And also from a director's perspective that when you see someone performing, sometimes you want them to bring out different emotions or say this in a different way or you know. And then he was like perfect for the all I didn't. I could not give him any notes because he really understood the character. No notes, no. Notes, no notes. That's that's amazing. He changed the emotions when he had to. He was just like really understood the character, and he was the perfect fit. Yeah, so that's amazing. Do you think it's going to be harder to find the person who's supposed to play you, Aurora?

23:56 It is proving to be more difficult. Yes, I can imagine that, because it's like you're like. It's me, yeah, you know, and like I don't like necessarily need her to be me. I just need her to like exhibit this emotion of like what it feels like. Sure, And you know, also like part of it is just that there's like all these rules with film stuff. So if you have one actor who's union who's with SAG, the other one has to be And because Andy is SAG, now we have to find a SAG actress, which is just a little harder. We're an indie budget, so finding somebody of that caliber, there's like there's a lot of people out of work right now, unfortunately, Like it really sucks for filmmakers. It's a really sad time for anybody in the film industry. But it's just a little more challenging to find. I mean there's great quality actresses of course that are like in SAG, but it's making it a little harder for us.

24:52 Yeah, I mean, it's a it's a tough bar because you have that challenge and then you know you're really looking for someone who, like you, Senda is going to match the emotion and everything that you're looking for. It's a it's a lot of boxes to check. And they have to be a good fit for Andy, like their counterpart, Like they have to like have good chemistry and work well together. So we're going to find her. She's going to be absolutely perfect, I know it, but we're not quite there yet. Yeah, So let's talk about the ways people can maybe help you guys get this movie created. So you have an indie go go fund for the film, can you tell us a little bit about that and like how direct people to help sure?

25:35 So you know, it's a bit pricey to make films of course, and this because like the way shorts work, it's really hard for us to go to this kind of standard channels for funding because there's never a return on investment, and this kind of enables us, you know, like with Bad Witches, we want to eventually make feature films. Fanny and I have a long history of making movies. We've both been on big studio stuff. Fanny's worked on Dune two, doing the TV shows Moonnight, like, we've both worked on some pretty big productions. But this is our first time making something like completely from scratch, from like writing it to producing it to directing it to everything and if Fanny's an assistant director and a very talented one.

26:20 But so you know, it's it's a process. And in order to prove that we have the ability to do that before somebody will give us like a million dollars to make a feature movie, we have to basically have something showing we can do it, that we can do it well, that we can tell a story well, that we can make something beautiful and stunning and engaging and meaningful, which I think we really will pull off with Vessel. But we do need help out funding it. And you know, basically, if you all want to find out what happens next, you're gonna have to donate to the campaign. Gotta do it, you gotta do it, dig deep, Okay, we need some proof of concept. Yeah, And basically basically it's not just donations because we are offering amazing perks like tickets to the premiere or set visits or a PA internship which is not about just bringing coffee, but it's about like shadowing like industry professionals.

27:19 Very cool. So we have some amazing perks. Yeah. And are we effects supervisor like we mentioned will be there. He's actually the effects supervisor from Titanic. Oh what think the boat? But it's such a theme. We literally bring up Titanic on accident in like every episode. It always circles back. Here's our chance. Okay. I actually have a cute story about this, y'all. So he was working as an artist at the time and he did the breath for Jack and Rose on the door, like when Rose was on the door and Jack was in the water, the famous door, the famous door, and also the famous scene, the most famous scene. And also the breath work is still used, like they still like mimic like his work that he did on other shows, including nineteen twenty three that I was just gone. The directors like, I want the breath to look like Titanic, and we're like, well, great, because.

28:08 We had the guy who did it on the show. Amazing. But also like in that scene, he's doing this work and he hasn't read the script and he's adding their breath and like he has like the notes and he's like in this like clip, he's adding it for Rose, he's adding it for Jack. He's adding it for Rose, He's adding it for Jack. Then he gets to a clip word's only Rose and he's like, wait, y'all miss Jack's breath. And he's like, oh, Jack's dead. Oh, and that's how I found that that Jack dies. Oh my god. Spoiler alerts. Oh if that's a spoiler, then I think you need to like maybe consider leaving the house a little bit more. You never know.

28:49 I but yeah, for getting this funded you know, just to kind of talk about like what that means too. You know, the reason why we had started Bad Witches is because there's nothing being made right now and studios have kind of run the show for a long time. We had this like great time for indie film in the nineties and a lot of like those independent film houses got bought up by studios, and now like all those brilliant minds aren't getting to work because studios. I don't know what they're doing right now. I think they're kind of waiting until people are so desperate for work that they'll work without being. Part of a union or like hyahs, what's happening. But a strong strategy from their perspective, I'm sure, but not great for art.

29:31 But really bad for all these people who have been working artists their entire lives, that are losing their homes, that can't feed their children, that are living in their cars, and. Just really sad situation. And we want to create something where we actually like make a film studio. We hire the same teams again and again and again. Everybody has insurance. We equalize pay for people, so producers aren't making like one hundred million dollars and then you know PA's are making a hundred dollars a day. Like, we want everybody to be sort of like equalized in wages. We want to tell fem stories, we want to tell queer stories, we want to tell stories that haven't been told before. And in order to do this, like we have to start somewhere, we have to pay our crew for this, and we really want to help some people that have been out of work, give them a little glimmer of hope, contribute to something that we all believe in, and pay them and get the meals for a few days at least.

30:27 So everyone go support if you can in any way you can. I think that would be such a cool perk too for someone who's not just interested in like the film businesses, but like wants to get like started in the film business to do the do the shadowing perk, that would be so cool. Absolutely, Yeah, And like our DP work with Lady Gaga, she's really impressive, Like we have some really cool people on set. To learn from. Yeah, so get on it. Everybody, please go donate because I just need to see this happen. Yes, yeah, we'll definitely have to link to the indie Go Go in the show notes too.

31:07 What inspired both of you to start working in film? I actually I started working in film five years ago. I was always in love with movies, like starting from a young age, I was always spent my free time watching movies. So first, honestly, I. Wanted to be an actress, but soon I realized I was born to the wrong country for that, which is hungry. And then I. Was like, what should I do, which is behind the camera, but would be a good fit for me. And then I found out about. The assistant director position because it's like leading people and organizing things, making schedules, and so then I went to a two years assistant director course and that's how I got into film. Basically I got to know people. And then my first movie I was working on was Borderlins.

32:06 I don't know if you guys seen it. Yeah, so that was my first movie. And then it just it just kept coming. I was stucking me in the street. You would suck me in, Yeah, absolutely. It attached itself to you. Oh absolutely, yeah. Yeah. But honestly, I love it so much I cannot imagine doing anything else. So this is basically why we decided to start our own company to tell stories. So it's really like an addicting thing to do. Like it's it's like really the hardest job I've ever had. Like you really are working twelve, sometimes fourteen hour days. Sometimes you're like starting at like six pm and working until six am, and like it's brutal. But there's nothing like the feeling of so many people that are creative coming together to like make something and like this tedious process, but then people watch it and love it and reac to it and like feel.

33:01 Something about it. It's just it's so beautiful and you can't get out of it if you try. Yeah, and it's really exhausting. And honestly, I've heard this from so many people. They were like, Oh, this is gonna be my last show. I'm not working in film anymore. I don't want to I want to leave this industry. And then we've met on the next project. Yes, I was like, oh, you're here, so you did not live this seeing you? Yeah? Literally? Yeah. Now, I mean it sounds like I mean from a scheduling aspect alone, you would just have to be so passionate about that as your career because that's a really tough thing to have, like work life.

33:43 Balance and absolutely. My gosh, you don't really have private life, yeah, next to film honestly, because you're basically just go to work, exhaust yourself all day, and then you go home and straight fall into bed. Right well, and then you guys create you know, your own company where you're doing it. All yourself, so that just like adds to it. It's not like you're just going to work and then you get to come home and like be off. I imagine you're probably like always working. Yeah, yeah, day and night. Honestly, as soon as I wake up at six am until when I go to bed whenever, that's yeah. Yeah. It's like sometimes there's an idea coming up and then I text to Oro at one am my.

34:25 Time, I'm like, oh, I have an idea. I know it's one I know it's one am, but I have to tell you now. Well, I mean otherwise you lose it forever, right right. Exactly exactly. And my brain works the best at night, so it is what it is. Yeah, I can relate to that. Yeah, thank goodness. She's a morning person. Yeah. So the time difference yea, like. A nine hour time difference or something. And it's great because I like wake up so early, and then I can like start texting Fanny when it's her daytime and she's still up late, when I like she goes to bed around the same time I go to bed. Perfect, that's true.

35:08 Actually, so you guys can never live in the same time zone or it'll just not work. I don't know how we'll do it. Yeah, I still text you at one am. You'd just be ships in the night. I also feel like too, when you text someone your idea right away, instead of like writing it down and maybe waiting until later, you could like read it later and be like, oh, well, this idea kind of sucks. I'm not gonna I'm not ever gonna like tell send it right away. Then you don't have that chance to like second guess yourself. Yeah, right, for you've overthought it well, and I feel like you always, well almost always explain things better when it's like fresh and in the moment and you're feeling like excited and passionate about you know, the idea that you just came up with, where like you said, you know, if you if you sit on it, then sometimes it's like, m I'm forgetting details about it, or you know, like things that really trade shit what it was.

36:14 Yeah, absolutely, Do you guys have any advice for women wanting to get started in film? Do it. Yeah, it's gonna be hard, it's gonna be a challenge, but do it. Because the more women start to work in this industry, the more success women will have in the industry. So you know, it's it's still so hard, and there's still so few women on film sets. Like the average crew is like maybe a few hundred people, or is obviously gonna be much smaller for the short but like the percentage of women is certainly nowhere near fifty percent. And also like you might see a lot of women who are like pas and such, more people like coming through the system, but then like the number of women who hods and such is just non existent. And I had gone on a scout for nineteen twenty three when we were moving from Austin to Montana, And I went on the scout as a lower position, like as a coordinator, which I normally wouldn't have been invited on. But we had some like weird things going on because we it was supposed to snow for all of this show. It takes place in Montana in a blizzard, and they decided to film it in October, and I'd been to Yellowstone in October years ago and I was like, the.

37:34 Weather was like beautiful. I don't feel like it was anywhere near snowing. Then we'll see how this is going to go. And it was like my department and like it was kind of my role to make sure that the snow happened because we were going to add that all in visual effects, which was not the original plan. And we had this like eight million dollars snow budget, like it was just crazy. So they decided that like I should be there for that because we had to make sure all the sets were scans we could add snow to them. And also so we had two VFX supervisors and one of them couldn't go. So they're like, okay, or I just go. And I hadn't like given any thought. I had never been invited on a scout because I'm not high enough up like on a big studio project. And I'm looking around and there's like fifty men and three or four women yep on this scout like for hods, and like the women that were there, a lot of them were like assistant to the hod They weren't even like the Hods and it was just shocking. But you look at that snippet, but then like the next snippet is like bipoc people and let me tell you how white a film crew is. So like we need more diversity like in this space, like we need to hear people's stories that aren't like older white men, and like we need more voices in this space.

38:48 Seriously, have we not heard enough? Yeah? Yeah, movies for the beginning of time have been told from like a white male says straight perspective, and let's do something else. I don't know, just give it a shot. What if we tried something else? Yeah? Literally anything. Yeah, It's like when I thought someone that ivia direct this movie, the first reaction was, wait, isn't aren't directors usually men? What? I was used that right now? Unfortunately it's true. Kate Blanchet just posted this like video at con Film Festival, and I'm going to mix up this number. I keep forgetting to look up the accurate number. But she said that like in the history of the festival, eighteen I think it was like eighteen hundred men that were directors have been on the steps in only eighty women directors compared to eighteen hundred men.

39:47 Wow, I don't love the stats. I'm not gonna lie. Feels like it should be at least a little closer to, you know. At least fifteen. Yeah, I could be. Into except you know, maybe a sixty forty. We're working on it, but that's ye, it's a long ways off. A long ways, very long ways. Yeah, one percent or something. Okay, ladies, let's plot the film industry. Let's go. That's the plan, storm take over. Yes, get in there. Yeah. And if you're a filmmaker and you're like, hey, I want to join a group of ragtag women filmmakers and I want to go out to La or I'm like, we're going to film in Joshua Tree, like near where I am right now. And you want to be a part of this, let us know. We would love to mentor you if you're new, if you've been in it for a while, and you have something you'd like to contribute.

40:46 We are trying to get everybody paid. It may not be the best rate you've ever gotten from a studio, but we're trying to get everybody paid, and it's something we take very seriously, and we'd love to hear your ideas. Yes, please contact them, get in there. I'm so excited. I just want to, like, I can't wait to see what all comes from this. I'm very excited. Okay, So we kind of did talk about some of the other films that you worked on. Had you either of you ever worked on a horror film before. I haven't. I worked on House of Spoils. It's a it's a prime video movie, but it wasn't really scary in my opinion.

41:31 It's horror, though, I'll be the judge of it. Haylan's like I was terrified. Okay, I won't say any spoilers, but it's not like it's not a movie jump scares and stuff, right, Okay, So, but yeah, it's genre. It's horror, but it's not like the bloody jump scares and slashing people kind of horror. You have to watch it and you will find out. So this is kind of new for both of you. Yeah, yeah, you know, and like a lot of it is done like similarly, you know, like like there was some really lovely scenes on nineteen twenty three comes to mind. Just I just got off the show where the director wanted to approach the way that they were shot as a horror movie, like where he's building suspense, Like there's a scene where Helen Mirren's character is attacked by a or like.

42:22 Is confronting a mountain lion. I think that's the mountain lion scene. There was a mountain lion and a wolf. It was the wolf. The wolf like has killed a nurse. S it'ce all like blood and guts like in her living room, and it's like we have a lot of like bloody stuff. And he wanted to like sneak up on that scene and like approach it like you would a horror movie discovery like a jump scare, and so like that was like done in that way. Like we had this great special effects makeup shot where they're drilling into somebody's skull because they were having gosh, I forget what the name of that is where they had like blood like essentially like sitting on their brain is like a heemotoma or something. I forget the issue, Like the way and I don't know how they deal with it now, Like I'm certainly not a doctor, but like the way they would deal with it then was like they would literally drill into the person's skull to release that pressure, and so we had to have like we had like the the special effects head that was made to look like the actor, and they were drilling into this like bloody like thing with blood scorting everywhere and like whatever.

43:26 And I didn't need to be on set then, Like it was. I'm a coordinator. It's like a lot of my time is spent in a trailer. Like I'm like a budget vend or whatever. I'm organizing things. I don't always have to be on set. But like I was texting my VFX team and I was like, if I missed the bloody head scene, I will be. Bloods burting. Oh my gosh. It's a dema, a deema. That's the word a dema where we were looking for. See, are you guys excited to work on just like a straight horror film and do you want to keep doing horror films in the future. I think it's probably a good direction for us. We are not limiting ourselves to horror. There's a few reasons to do horror. For one thing, like it's actually pretty inexpensive to do a horror movie. For a few reasons, like a lot of the themes are done in like film world. What's called like a monster in a house, like classic storytelling style, where you're filming at one location, maybe it's in a house, like a Halloween kind of thing or whatever. You're limiting your locations and the number of actors. It's also really easy to pull things off with practical effects, which will always be much cheaper than visual effects, and we'll be doing all of our effects practically while having VFX there to make sure we don't mess it up, so we have to go into VFX.

44:49 Perfect. That's perfect. Yeah. So I think that horror is such an important genre for women and unrepresented voices in general, because it's a way for us to speak about things that have happened to us and our experiences in a metaphorical sense, like what we're doing with Vessel, and so I think it's it's easy to like kind of get into like a gentle political mindset too, which we're already working on our first feature length script, which is going to kind of address like the housing economy, how like it's so hard to get housing these days because of short term rentals and just like wealthy coming in and like buying up space like in a town where I live, like in Joshua tree where like you literally can't find houses because they're all vacation.

45:36 Rentals on Airbnb. Yeah, and so like it's going to be like a movie kind of making a statement about that, and it'll be like a fun kind of like not quite slashery a little bit, but we're gonna have some like scream style stunts and stuff in it. So I think it'll be a fun one. You love that, And. There's a meaning behind because what's important for us to have a meaning always in every movie, every movie you make like either a political statement or some kind of meaning behind. Yause, what else? What else is it for? Right? You can't? Like that's so true. Help people your thoughts and feelings. Yeah, exactly, especially right now. Yeah, in these times.

46:17 Okay, I wanted to know if you had any current movie suggestions for people to watch. Substance we're ubsess. Yes, Substance is amazing. If anyone asked, my first answer is Substance. It's so good, agreed. The two that, like, I think Substance like, I definitely loved and it's probably one of the most memorable horror movies I've seen, like in the recent years. But I also really love Strange Darling. Oh, have y'all seen that? No, I haven't seen that. Oh, it's so good. It's kind of like a serial killer kind of thing. We're like a girl's traveling with a guy. We're like presuming as a serial killer. And Kyle Gallner I'm not sure if I'm saying his name right, isn't it And he was in like Veronica Mars. He was in Smile. He's like the cop that's trying to help Socie Bacons. Yeah, and like he's briefly in the second one.

47:17 Oh, no, I haven't seen the second one yet. So he's great. He's in it. But it's like such a great like it's got one of the best twists I've ever seen ever done in a movie. It's so great, it's so smart. It's really like a beautifully done movie. So I really liked that one. And then we were just chatting with Cass and Ashley from Drinking the kool Aid podcast. We just did a chat with them the other day. They're so wonderful. And Cass had recommended a movie to us which was Significant Other and it has Gosh, I don't know her name, but she was she's the girl from It follows the blonde girl, and she's like such a scream queen, like she's in the Villain. She's in so many great movies.

48:07 She's always so good, like she deserves the scream queen title for sure. I can't remember her name. I wish I knew it, but she's in it. And this other guy that I think he was like in the office, and he's been in a few things, but he always plays like the guy that you like. He seems nice, but you know he's going to be like a bad guy eventually, Like he has this kind of like douchey quality. But it takes like a real like some real unexpected twists in turns and was not at all what I thought it was going to be. So that's like a nice one for like kind of like a sci fi monster in the woods, like they go on a camping like a hiking trip, and like twist twist, twist twist, like who has the power now? Like it's really kind of mind blowing.

48:47 Those are good because I haven't seen either of those that you suggested, so I'll have to put them. Yeah, I don't think I have seen either of them either. You haven't seen very many scary movies, but you did you did see some? Yeah? Right? I bought it. Yeah, I was like renting good job. And I would say, like, if you're like for people that are like kind of like horror adjacent, like maybe they don't like to fully immerse themselves in like a slasher movie, Strange Darling is really good for that because I wouldn't like call it scary. It's just like really fun and unexpected, like very feminist. And I don't want to like say what it reminds me of, because then it would kind.

49:30 Of give away the end. Oh that's but it reminds me of like this other great like feminist horror movie that I saw that I wish they had taken it in this direction a little more, but like it's it's really good. Oh now I'm like, oh, maybe we need to watch it and then right now come back to you. Yeah right now. Yeah, we'll have like a movie club. And I love that. Yeah, sign us up. Yeah. Have you guys seen the movie Presence? No? Oh yes, I just watched that and I was like, this movie is like pretty good. I was just like suw, I have to add that to my list. It's good. Yeah. I wasn't expecting it.

50:11 It's good. It's a ghost story. Oh yeah. And like from a filmmaking perspective, that was done with like the average movie I was reading has like hundreds to maybe thousands of like cuts, so like you cut and go to like the next scene. That one I think I read has. Thirty three right, wow, So the longest takes you've ever seen. And it's kind of shot like a documentary where they're like following them around with a wide angle lens instead of like normally you would go like you would cut from like one after space to another and kind of like put them together having a conversation. They were like moving the camera around them to like accommoedy these few cuts, and it's really like artistically done. It's very beautiful. I can't imagine trying to pull that off.

50:57 I thought it was so interesting. I'm sure they did it digitally, but like they would show the camera like in a reflection, but you like couldn't see the camera obviously, I'm like, how did they do that? Yeah, And for the way they were doing it, like there's certainly ways to accommodate those shots, but like the way that they were keeping the cut song. They might have done some VFX removal, like on the camera in the mirrors, Like I wasn't looking for that. I'll have to go through and see like how they did that. But yeah, it's beautiful. They were shooting through a window one time, so you could see out the window, but the light was on so you can like see the reflection of the house in the back. I just thought it was so cool. Was like, whoa this is this is awesome.

51:39 It's good Lucy losing it. Yeah, Oh yeah, it's a really good movie. Yeah, it's kind of like a woman's story too very much. So, well, do you guys want to do some terror? Yes, let's do it. I never did Taro before. I'm kind of afraid of it because whatever you say something bad. I've been thinking about it, like, oh day, all night. It's always something good, something you need to know that you probably already knew in the back of your mind. Then it's just it's just bringing out. I don't want to know. I know, I don't want to know. Well, are you comfortable if we if we pull out? Ye?

52:19 Yes, do you have any specific questions about. I think we would love to know if we're going to pull this movie off. Okay, that's a lot of pressure. Yeah, that's a lot of pressure. Think our biggest question is is, like, you know, we have not met our Indie Go Go goal yet, and we're really hoping to get there, so we'd like to know because if we don't meet it, we're probably still going to make it where I will play the psychic, Fanny will play me, and we will shoot it with an iPhone, but. We will we'll be involved. Yeah, right, I'll do terror. How long have you been doing tear?

53:00 Pretty much? I've just been doing it since we started the podcast. Like four years ago, so nice. We're not like super professional at it or anything. We kind of just are learning through pulling a card every episode and that's like how we're learning to do it. That's how you get there, right, and then like eventually your synapses start to like make sense of it. Yeah. It's like it's so hard to like remember all the cards. And I've tried doing like apps that like like flash cards like give you a card and this meaning like whatever, but my memory is such trash. Yeah that I feel like I should just do more readings because then I would like have that memory associated with something.

53:40 Yeah. Yeah, And we just read from like an interpretation book too. We don't really have them all memorized or anything like that, right, we do try to like look at the card and you know, see if there's anything that correlates with what we're talking about. Usually there is. And yeah it can be like so spot on it scary. I know. Recently, I have like an ancestor altar for my grandma and my dog who passed away, and yeah, it's so sweet and like I just set it up like kind of recently and I had like pulled a card like for if my grandma had anything to say for me, and like whatever the card was, it was like. Family love like whatever.

54:21 It was like this like really like kind thing and my grandma was like my person. It was so sweet. And then I pulled on for like my dog, who's like my spirit dog, like we are connected, we always will be, like she's so sweet, and the card was like basically like you were an asshole. She's mad at me and. Right, and it was like, gosh, I wish I could remember the card. I took a picture of it, but it was like it represented it was like in reverse. Like first of all, so it. Was like like substance abuse and like not being there manipulative, unreliable, and I'm like my dog thinks I'm manipulative. It's like, girl, you don't like reevaluate my life and my decisions?

55:15 Did you though? Did you? Was? Was she telling you something that you know? I don't know? And like I really spent a lot of time stressing over it because it's like it could just be that, like I don't have a good connection with my tarot deck, like it's not necessarily a message from my dog. And I was like my husband kept telling me that, but I definitely wanted. It's like a deep depression for three days, and like I just like sat and cried each morning at my ancestor altar, like apologizing to my dog. And I was like I should have taken you on more hikes and I should have. Done honestly, Okay, what if what if this is your dog just manipulating you to like sit there and talk to her.

55:55 Oh my god, maybe maybe she. Was so sweet. Want it's just some more attention. I definitely like bought like salmon treats. I got like a new toy for the altar. Like I was like every day I'm getting you something. Like I was gonna say, yeah, were your dog played you, dude? No surprise there, right, my Pomeranian definitely does. I feel like little dogs are the biggest game players. Oh gosh, yeah. Just like little demons, but so cute. It works every time.

56:36 Oh a thousand percent. Yeah, yeah, that was a solid shuffle though. Hey that's good. I'm so bad at shuffling. I could never rough. All right, I feel better about it. You killed it, Okay, So I'll spread these out. You guys, tell me kind of where. To Okay, I would say, just right of center. Would we get I cannot believe how frequently this card is coming up. Oh is this the death card? It is? Oh my god, that's actually amazing. That is like, actually so perfect for this.

57:18 It means rebirth. Yes, yeah, it says death, but it means like death of the olds, like to bring in the news for us. Death of the white male fifth male led film industry, and rebirth, yes, and not already. Red ends right right. It's like the first thing I thought when I saw that. Well, so I pulled the death card once when I was flying home. I was in Saudi Arabia, like this prince had flown us out because he wanted to start like a film studio there. And on the way home, I was having anxiety about flying and I don't know why, Like I fly quite a bit and I don't really care, but I was having anxiety about it, and I decided to like pull a card to see if it was going to be okay.

58:01 And I pulled the death card and I was like, that is not. The card you want to see before getting on, asking if you're gonna be okay. I would be scared of that. No, that's that's kind of intense. Oh my god. Yeah, absolutely, but you were fine. Spoiler alert, I didn't die. No, I'm dead. Maybe you're a ghost now I would explain so much. Yeah, okay. So the only the only caveat is that we did draw in the reverse, so it is going to have a little bit different interpretations. Oh okay, okay. So your keywords for the death card are transformation, metamorphosis, and ending, sacrifice, loss and rebirth. So I think we all agree, we've already discussed it's a it's a positive thing in this context.

58:53 How about in reverse. I don't know about reverse. Well we'll make it positive. We'll figure it out. Dude, now I'm bringing out. When this card appears reversed, it suggests you're putting off making necessary changes, usually out of fear you're stuck in old habit patterns you know need to be revised, but you don't want to put forth the effort to alter them, even though you're unhappy with the current situation. Oh, the way out is to face up to your stagnation, frustration and unhappiness, throw out the old and ring in the new.

59:35 Interesting. Does that feel like it applies directly to you guys, or just like the film industry that we were kind of talking about. Before, Yeah, because, like I think we're doing something like very bold for both of us, And I would say, like, are throwing out the old is like being reliant on this like archaic system and trying to literally do something new and have like a metamorphosis in rebirth. Like I can't say that, Like I feel like that it's necessarily true for this project. Right, So maybe it means industry in general. I don't know. Yeah, I feel like in some readings you do get sort of a sense of a card and the meaning being more related to even like a period of the past in relation to your kind of your question or the situation.

1:00:29 Like that could apply directly just to your your story of what happened to you and how you kind of turned it into something more relative. Yeah, I do feel as though this is kind of our deck being a little bit smart assy, because it's like, doesn't feel like you're directly answering our question. Right, I think it kind of is. Yeah, I think it kind of is. Yeah, I think it's kind of true because we have to make sacrifices and stuff for this project. So I think I think what it. Says it applies because it's like it takes a lot of sacrifice and energy and work and yeah, so I think I think I think it fits for a situation basically true.

1:01:12 Yeah. I do also find it really interesting. This is in the major arcana. This is the thirteenth card. Oh today was part of the thirteenth Yes. Yeah, that's so funny too, because I wrote down thirteen questions for you guys, and I had twelve, and I was like, man, I need to think of one more just to like make it an even like thirteen. And even thirteen. Oh my god, that's rics. I love you spooky ladies. Yeah right right, that's a really good name for our production company. And even thirteen Yeah, no podcast. And Even thirteen Oh yeah, I love it?

1:01:55 Are we starting another podcast? This is this is first episode of an Even thirteen I'm spin off. I'm gonna lie I dig the name. So what I was gonna say is that I feel like with the interpretation and where it's saying, you know, the way out is to face up to your stagnation and kind of as it goes on there, I feel like this also can be kind of warning against maybe falling back into old habit patterns as you move forward, So it may not be that you're actively doing that. Yeah, that's true. That's true. That is true.

1:02:35 Yeah, because actually we have to pull off like new ways to be able to make this movie because like old habits doesn't work, we have to pull off new things. That's how I understand this. That's really true, because like that's exactly it. And it's funny because, like, you know, my dream for making this kind of anti capitalistic thing has been like burning bright. And I was talking to this girl who came to stay with me during the LA fires, like I lived like a couple hours from LA and she was looking for a place to go just because she has like asthma and like whatever, air quality was better here. And she actually works in film, like she works as an actress, and I was like telling her about the idea and she was like really into it, and so I was like, like, I want to create a system where like the producers aren't making so much more, and she's like, yeah, but like if you pay yourself out a lot of money, then you can hire more people. And she was doing this very like Elon Musk like style argument for like the trickle down like economics, and I was like, no.

1:03:39 Like this is how I stop it. Like the production company gets to pay more people a better wage because I'm paying myself less, and like it's something that like I get. It's like kind of you know, if we had money coming in, it's more difficult to like actually abide by that and say, no, I'm going to like pay myself a living wage, but not some excessive amount to where we can't pay the rest of our team, which is something I really really believe in because like just reading statistics about like what CEOs and stuff used to make twenty years ago, they made about double what they're like average employee made right, and now they make like twenty one hundred times like whatever that and it's like why it just doesn't make any sense and yeah, yeah, and that's like that's why we have this income disparity that we do now in the US.

1:04:27 It's because like they're keeping so much more for themselves, so like it's tempting to want to do that. Clearly it's working, you know, like I get it right, like right, but like somebody, like people have to like stop it, like somebody has to stop it. And I was like, I'll be a person who stops that, which is hard. I'm a tourist. I like luxury. Yeah, but it's like same girl, right, right, But I think that, you know, the argument really to be had is not like should we all, you know, give up all of our worldly possessions and you know, join a monastery. It's more about, like we can all have some luxuries so long as nobody's bow guarding everything.

1:05:13 Exactly. It has to be a little bit more a military. As long as like you don't have like a smaller yacht to follow your mega yacht, because your mega yacht can't like everything that you need for your supplies while on your mega yacht death basis. I do think it's reasonable to maybe, you know, like one yacht. Okay, guys, guys, I think I think the death guard is telling us we can only have one yacht. And you know what, I, for one have made my peace with that. So man, it's not going to be easy, but you know, I'm willing to do my part.

1:05:58 But yeah, I actually, I actually think it has a positive meaning to leave behind the past and revert to do things differently than before and a big change. Basically, yeah, it. Was perfect, right. I loved that. She was at first, but she's like, Okay, okay, you guys get it way around death card. Like, if you can spin the death card positive, you got this. Yeah. Really, how do you know if the death card has a positive or negative meaning? I think it's it's really just based on like, I think it's based on your feeling really when you're pulling the card. But generally, to me, the death card means it's very positive. To me, that's that's just how I feel about it. But I don't know how everyone else feels about it.

1:06:45 Yeah, Oddly, I think the death card is probably not the scariest in the deck. I think the Tower is the one that really that's that's a little bit chaos. It's a little bit more difficult to put a spin on. It's a it's a little intense. Oh thank god we didn't know. Yeah, we don't need chaos. I can spin that one positive too, like you need to totally break down your life and have chaos to like rebuild something so much better. So that's what I see the Tower card. Yeah, which I understand the argument in principle, but you don't want to go through it, thank you, Like you have to go through it, but you don't like necessarily want to.

1:07:27 Yeah, right, But for anybody that likes Taro, there will be like a tarot reference in our movie. Of course they're in a reading room for like most of it. But also my nibbling that I mentioned earlier that went on the ghost tour with me is a very good artist and they're designing us a custom tarot deck that will be used in the movie will also be Uh it's a perk too in our indiegg that you can get the custom made tarot deck used in vessel. H Yes, and it's kind of ghosty and stuff. Okay, so that's a perk that we're doing to.

1:08:08 It's a really cool one, it is, it is indeed. Yeah, the cards are going to be amazing. Oh, I'm so excited. So the movies coming out projected for Halloween, we want to release around Halloween just because OVS. But the Tarot deck, you know, we'll probably be able to get that out a bit sooner. We might be able to get that out close to the time that our indiegog ends, which I think is like in is that in July, Fanny M Yeah, I think it might be like a week or two after that. It's like maybe like August we can get those shipped. Clay's almost undesigning them. I think they're on like like I think there's seventy two cards in a deck?

1:08:52 Is that right around there? Seventy seventy eight, So I think they're like in the fifties for designing cards, Like they're they're getting there. They look at amazing, They're so cute. There's some like very special ones. There's also references to like people in our lives, like my grandma speaks to me a lot, which is why I set her. I set up an ancestor altar. I had like gotten a reading done with an oracle deck like with a friend, and they pulled something that was like wild rose, and the name like the name hadn't like meant anything to me when she first said it, I was just like, oh, wild Rose, that sounds cute whatever, And she's like, I think someone's like trying to talk to you through this card. Does the name Rose mean anything to you? And my grandma's middle name was Rose and her name was Edith Rose, and she hated her middle name, and like it was like a joke like in our family, everyone would always get her roses and like whatever. So like I think she like liked it in like a cute, like playful way. I don't think she actually hated it, but it was like always this joke.

1:09:53 But she like always leaves me like roses and whatever. It's like let me know that she's communicating with me. So there's a rose and the deck that represents my grandma on like we have all these like cute things os gat Yeah. Well, does anyone have any like any any last any final words anything else that you want to throw out to people that you haven't got to say yet. Now, I guess just you know, we so appreciate everyone's support. If you're curious and learning more about the project, we do have our social medias, which are at bad Witch's Productions, on TikTok and on Instagram. You can find our website bagwitches dot com and there's a section for Vessel there.

1:10:37 You can find our Indiego go also just by looking up Indiegogo and Vessel and it'll pop up. And we so appreciate your time and attention and we can't wait to share this movie with y'all. Yes, I am. I'm so excited, so excited. I'm super excited for my new tarot deck, which will make it a lot easier to wait for the movie right. Absolutely day, amazing fun. It was way more. Fun than it usually. Brilliant idea.

1:11:18 I mean, Cassie, I need to go run and grab a tissue for your issues. Yeah that's my co host, famously witty. I'm so smart.