June 24, 2025

Heroines of Horror: The True Haunting Behind Vessel

Heroines of Horror: The True Haunting Behind Vessel

Aurora and Fanni from https://linktr.ee/badwitchesproductions?fbclid=PAZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAacoRdQWY1GVzmqi2JeV1ghOVm1k4fh2rKSR8qNhi3rHz9STWgZfsRGM4cB9YA_aem_t1z3k-bGelCVR3JdQJe6gQ join us to share the real-life hauntings and creative process behind their...

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Aurora and Fanni from Bad Witches Productions join us to share the real-life hauntings and creative process behind their horror short, Vessel. Aurora’s ghostly attachment sparked a deeper exploration into how feminism and the paranormal intertwine—both in life and on screen.

We dive into the connection between women’s experiences with the paranormal and the broader struggle to be believed, especially in the context of trauma. With help from an Emmy-winning VFX supervisor, the Vessel team plans to bring these themes to life through powerful visual storytelling. Aurora and Fanni also reflect on the thrills and challenges of femme-led indie filmmaking—from casting and fair pay, to navigating gender dynamics in the industry. Our conversation is filled with chills, creativity, and a shared excitement for what's to come in the world of indie filmmaking!

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I ended up going to a psychic that I met

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at a party, and that's kind of where we leave

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off with our story and pick up in our movie Vessel,

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like what happened next, because involving the psychic kind of

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escalated the situation and things got a little crazier.

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I feel like.

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That's how it goes a lot of times. It's like

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they sense you're trying to.

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Get rid of me, right, I will be holding on.

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Hi Kitlin, Hi Cassie, Hi creepy people.

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Hello.

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If you're new to our creepy corner of the world,

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this is PNW Hanson Homicides where we chat about true crime,

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the paranormal, and all things spooky, creepy, witchy in the

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Pacific Northwest.

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And we also do a tarot reading at the end

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of every episode for a little bit of deeper insight

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into our topic.

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We do have some special guests today with us. We

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have Aurora and Fanny, who are founders of The Bad

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Witch's Productions, a fem led indie production company that focuses

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on supporting women and their stories, which is very important.

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Fanny is directing their latest project, a horror short called Vessel,

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based on something that Aurora actually experienced. So can we

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just start right off, because I need to know, like

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what happened and why did you decide to make a

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movie out of it?

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Sure, so I experienced some ghost activity, and this was

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during a time that was like a little tumultuous for me,

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which I now understand is probably like how this happens

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for a lot of people, because like the more your

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life is in chaos, the more you are to track

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kind of some weird energy it invites, right, So just

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you know, keep it light everyone, if you don't want

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this to happen to you, keep a jill, keep it fun,

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keep it happy. But yeah, we all have a ghost

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in this economy.

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Final show ghosts.

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But yeah, So at the time, it was during the

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film strikes, and so it was this thing where my

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husband and I, who both work in film, thought that

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maybe it was going to last like a couple of

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months with the writer strikes. And of course we're kind

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of not really out of it. Technically we're out of

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the strikes, but studios still aren't doing shows and stuff.

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But we were kind of thrown in the situation where

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we had just finished working on a show in Vancouver.

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Percy Jackson, and we were going to take like a

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little break until we found our next show. Go stay

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with my parents in Columbus, Ohio, where I'm from, and

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just kind of spend some time with them. My mom

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allegedly was going through some health issues. It's hard to

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know with her, like whatever is going on, She's a

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little bit of an unhinged person, right happy, So we

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go to stay with her, and like three days into

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what we assume would be a couple of weeks, my

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mom and I have this big blow up fight, which

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is pretty standard in our family. My mom has a

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lot of mental health stuff. Honestly me too, and so

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like we had this clash right out of the gate,

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and so my husband and I decided to just like

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kind of hang out in Columbus for a bit, see

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if my mom decided to pull it together and spend

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some time with my sister and her kids. And one

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of my sister's kids who's like in their twenties. They

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are their name's Clay, and they're also into very spooky

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stuff like I am. Honestly, it's like Clay is like

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my child. The most women's similarities. Yeah, And so we

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were trying to think of things to do. And we

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decided to make a list of the most haunted places

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in Columbus, Ohio, and we were gonna make like we

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put him on a map, and we're going to go

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around to each one and just kind of like talk

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to people if they had ever seen or experienced anything,

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and just kind of see, like what's really going on

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with the ghost scene in Columbus, Ohio.

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Heck, yeah, love that? Well, I'm sure it started off great.

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Yeah, you like, do I love that? Is this a

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good idea?

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No, it's great.

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Organize a list and a map of all the places

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that I need to stay far far far far far right.

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Well, we went right into it.

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And we started off with the Celton House, which is

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this really old house in Victorian Village in Columbus, and

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this old family has owned it for hundreds of years.

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Like the great great grandfather was very involved in Columbus politics.

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He even carried Lincoln's casket in his funeral, which was

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like a big honor to be a paul Bear in

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a president's funeral. So like they're this very wealthy connected

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family and they're like attributed for helping establish Columbus. Wow,

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And so this house is like still there. It was

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part of the underground railroad. There's like all this cool

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history to it, and part of a history is definitely

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a ghost history. Each October they do a ghost tour.

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When I was there, it was in April, so there

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were no ghost tours going on, so we decided just

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to go on a regular historical tour. They kind of

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show you around the house and talk about the Celton

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family and you know, all these cool happenings there. So

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while we're there, we're asking the host of the tour

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if she's ever experienced anything ghostly.

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Of course, like one, what on a tour, I have

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to make it into a ghost tour?

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Yeah, Like this isn't a ghost stour, it's about to be.

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So she's kind of not in the mood to talk

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about it, and she mentions like a couple things to

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us about how there are like a number of people

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who have died in this house. Of course, like families

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like during that time would stay at home when they're

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about to pass away. So there's people like dying of

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like natural causes. There was a little girl who fell

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out of the second story window and broke her neck

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and died. There's like a soldier that came there to

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visit the family and had been like wounded.

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He died there.

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And there's like all these stories along with that and

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the underground railroad stuff, so allegedly this place is quite haunted.

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And when I asked if this lady had experienced anything specific,

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she said, occasionally lights would flicker and she would smell

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cigarette smoke, and whenever she would smell that, she knew

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it was Grace. They're like big resident ghost.

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Yeah.

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So Grace was like the last person to own the

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Celton House. She was the daughter of this like lineage

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family and she didn't have any siblings or children, so

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she was the last to own it. And when she

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passed away in the seventies, she left the house to

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a historical organization to preserve all this cool stuff about it,

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and so she's known to kind of like hang out there.

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And after the tour, my nibbling and I and nibbling's

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the term for non binary needs Inphew.

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Yeah, and it was not such a cute word like nibbling.

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I love it's adorable, and Clay is also adorable, So

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I love that it's like such a cute word to describe.

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Such a cute person.

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It's perfect.

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So we're looking around and we're looking in this china cabinet.

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I have my phone now I'm making content for my

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true crime account, my TikTok and stuff we do like

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true ghost haunted stories like sometimes. So I'm like trying

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to get video of the house whatever for that. I'm

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like videoing inside this cabinet, and all of a sudden,

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the door slams closed, and we're just like gets an

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old house.

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Who knows.

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We both look at each other and we're like Grace jokingly,

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like Grace doesn't want us looking at her dishes, so

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we just we don't think much of it, you know,

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like it could have been the houses off, you know,

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or whatever.

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Who knows.

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I mean it's still settling.

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Yeah, hundreds of years later, yeah yeah. So that was

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like the first little like mini thing. And then we

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go out to the car and it's April and Columbus.

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So it had been like really nice and sunny, a

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beautiful spring day. But now the weather has shifted. It's

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cold and rainy. So we go out to my jeep

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and I'm like pushing the button to turn on the heat,

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like pushing it up, up, up, up, up and nothing's happening,

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and like five seconds later just like shoots up like

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twenty degrees and it's a new jeep. I've never experienced

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any like weird electrical things in it.

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And again, my nibbling and I.

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Are like think it's silly, and we're like Grace, she's

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following us around that Grace.

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Oh, so she's like, yeah, they want me here.

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Right, They're like calling me.

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Yeah, they're like obsessy.

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Right. So then like over the next week, stranger things

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start happening. And the first of the events that I

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start to pick up on for real is that I'm

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not sleeping well. And part of that is because when

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I try to fall asleep, there's like this orange light

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in my subconscious and I've never experienced that before. It's

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like normally when you go to sleep, it's lights out.

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Everything's black, and the color of speak to me. If

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I if I had to think of a color which

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I'd never thought of before this, I'd.

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Be like, sleep is black, Like sleep is nothing.

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Yeah, it's great, but like I can't fall asleep because

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it's like there's like this light on inside of my

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mind and I'm sleeping in this dark room with I

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always have like a face mask on, like I am

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like such a bedtime princess. I have like my likey

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meds I take like I'm tee this, like I have

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like new moisture. I run my lip gloss like my

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face mask, Like I love this.

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Say that's true.

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And so I'm not sleeping. My sleep's orange. It's creepy.

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And then my dog hurts growling at me.

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Oh no, no, thank you.

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Yeah, And like at first I was like, oh, maybe

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he ate something weird and needs to go for a walk.

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Like it's still a little weird that he's growling at me,

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but you know, if you got to go, you gotta go.

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So like I didn't react to listen, that's fine. So

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like I take him for a walk, and he's just

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kind of like, you know, sniffing around. He peas once

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or twice. He's doing normal dog stuff. Clearly he doesn't

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have to go to the bathroom and that's not why.

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He had woken up.

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So we go back inside and then he's kind of

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restless and he's trying to get like comfortable by me.

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But when I woke up again, like a couple hours later,

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he's sleeping in the closet, like he wouldn't sleep next

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to me, And from that night on he wouldn't sleep

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next to me. He started sleeping in the closet, which

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is like such an active betrayal.

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Are you leaving me to deal with this ghost?

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Yeah, that would be such a red flag for me.

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Yeah, maybe it.

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Was in the closet and he was protecting you from it.

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Well, well let's let's explore that, because I don't think

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that's what it was.

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But had run away first.

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Yeah, and he's he's like he's kind of like a

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fussy dog. He's a Pomeranian, but he always sleeps right

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next to me in bad he like pretty much sleeps

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on my pillow like I sleep in my side, and

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he's a little like nook right next to me, Like

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he's not necessarily cuddly, but he likes to at least

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steal my warmth.

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Yes, I want to be near you.

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I want to know that you're not leaving me and

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going and having right snacks without me, right, I love secrets.

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Yes, everyone, So you know I get this point, Like

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I can like I can tell something's weird, but I'm

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also going through this trauma, like the fight with my

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mom was exponential, and I'm going through hard time.

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I'm not working a lot of film. People like are

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worried about losing houses and stuff like it's going on

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so long, so like I'm in a state of stress.

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So I'm like, maybe it's just because of that. Like

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the next big thing that happened was I want to

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get my nails done and I want to a place

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that does gel manicures. So I put my hand in

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under the lamp to cure it, and every time I

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put my hand in the light turns off. And so

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my nail tech's like, that's weird and gets out a

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different lamp.

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Same thing. I put my hand in, the light goes off.

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That is really weird, right.

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Yeah, Like the nail tech next to us gets involved.

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She's like, maybe it's the electrical thing.

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Whatever.

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She uses the lamp like, she puts her hand in there,

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she used it for a client. Works just fine, same outlet,

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just like the person right next to us lamp is working.

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So at this point I kind of like jokingly but

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half serious, like, God, what's going on?

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I'm like, I think I'm being haunted.

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Yeah, and my nail lady, without missing a beat, says no,

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I think you are. Oh, And so turns out I've

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been going to her for a while and like she's

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a bit clairvoyant, and she's like, no, like your energy

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is like so off today and I've never seen your

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like aura's a different color, like just everything about you

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seems different.

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Is it orange?

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Right?

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Mind?

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Usually purple?

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No.

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So we're talking about it and about like what had happened,

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and she's like, well, you know, like when I was

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a kid, my dad actually had a spirit attached itself

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to him, and he had been going through a hard

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time and he had lost his job and had been

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like in a situation where like he was exposed to

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like a spirit and it's like everything started to fall

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apart for him. And her mom, who's also clairvoyant, ended

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up like calling a friend who was a medium. They

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took a picture of him and in the picture you

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could see these three orbs that all had a like

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man's face on it, and like somebody's anomalies can be explained,

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like if you're in the ghost world, like sometimes it's

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the reflection of you or this or whatever, but like

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this man very clearly had a mustache and looks like

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old timey. It was like nobody that was anywhere in

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this room with them, so like they're like, no, that's

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like a spirit that has attached itself to you. And

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so she had like explained to me that if you

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are going through a hard time like I had described earlier,

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and like if you're feeling sad depressed, if you're using substances,

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like there's like different things you do that can kind

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of like lower like your like vibration, and then ghosts

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like right before they died likely were in a similar

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state where they might have been depressed or sad or

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scared or whatever, and that like energy attracts like energy,

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So if you're going through a hard time, you're more

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likely to have a spirit interested in you and to

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kind of feel comfortable in that space that feels familiar

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to them.

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It makes so much sense, But like way to pile

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on right? No talk about timing? Can I maybe catch

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a break?

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That's how I was feeling.

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And also like at this time, you know, I'm paying

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to go get my nails done because I'm a Taurus

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and I have to like keep like some like someone's

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of normalcy up. But like I'm worried financially, Like I

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don't know what's happening? Like I've not had a rift

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like this with my family in such a way, and

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I'm feeling very rejected by like the person who's supposed

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to love you unconditionally.

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And it's like and now I have a.

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Ghost, right, and my nails are sticky but.

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We didn't eventually cure them. But she had to hold

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the light on the entire time. It was so crazy.

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That's really crazy.

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Okay, Well, I mean you got that going for you. Yeah,

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I got the fresh set, right geez.

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But so like after this, I was like, okay, like

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how do I get rid of this? Like I honestly

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have always been sort of interested in supernatural stuff, but

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not really sure if I believed it necessarily. Like it's

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not that I doubted people's experiences. I just don't really

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know how I feel about the afterlife and like all

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these things, like I had just never given it a

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ton of thought. Yeah, And so I was like, Okay,

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I am not equipped to deal with this. And it's

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like so uncomfortable, like knowing that something's kind of feeding

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on your energy when you have so little of it

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to give anyways, Absolutely, so I was like, okay, I

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need a psychic I need a medium. I don't know

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what to do, and I had gotten on TikTok to

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kind of like learn about like the process of what

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you can do about asking the spirit to leave and

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that kind of thing. And I ended up going to

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a psychic I met at a party, And that's kind

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of where we leave off with our story and pick

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up in our movie Vessel, like what happened next, because

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involving the psychic kind of escalated the situation and things

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got a little crazier.

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I feel like that's how it goes a lot of times.

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It's like they sense you're trying to get ridded me.

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Right, I will be holding on. Yeah, So that's where

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Vessel comes in. That's where we're going to pick up

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our story. So like during the movie, we'll of course

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explain some about the haunting, but our girl goes to

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work with a medium to try to get rid of

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this and things get a little wild crazy.

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Yes, now I need to know the rest of the story.

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I'm dying if you watch it, well, now you've got

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me hooked.

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Spoilers.

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So you mentioned when you were describing the movie to

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me that it's kind of a metaphor for women not

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having agency over their own bodies and not being believed

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about their experiences. Can you talk a little bit more

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about that?

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Sure?

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So you know, like during the time that I was

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going through this, people were definitely looking at me like

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I was a crazy person. And I get it, like

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this is all like a little weird, and you know,

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it's like is it in my head?

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Is this depression?

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Is it this?

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But like the way that people were approaching it like

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made me feel very broken, and it made me feel

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kind of like how it does when I go to

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the doctor and I'm having cramps and like have you

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taken and ibuprofen or.

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Thank god you're here to remind me that it is right?

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Is right? And sit down?

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Right?

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That attitude for everything with women, And yes, I think

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it's something that like all women can relate to, you

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like going to the doctor for something and being blown

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off and going home and having to figure out what's

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going on on your own or never getting there. And

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you know, also with like sexual assault, it's the same thing.

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And I used to volunteer at a domestic violent shelter

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in Austin, Texas that also did rape crisis, so we

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would meet people who had been assaulted in the hospital

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and basically advocate for them, because police departments, when they

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send somebody in to interview somebody who's been raped, start

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with have you been drinking.

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So sad?

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Like it's calm and awesome that make it not rape?

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Right? Yes?

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I mean, if anything, that should clarify that there wasn't

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consent right, you know, right alcohol involved.

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Oh, it's just it's not good.

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It's really bad.

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And so you know, when we decided to take on

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telling this story, I was like, I don't really want

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to tell it like a traditional ghost story, like this

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is kind of how I felt, like very dismissed, like

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I didn't have agent see over myself, and like I

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wasn't being believed about it, which was like part of

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like the horror of the situation going through it. It's like,

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how do you deal with this and nobody believes you?

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Like do I just have to live in this forever?

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Right?

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That makes it really hard to feel like you can

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even begin to access resources.

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Yeah, for sure.

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I am particularly always interested in how horror films bring

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to life like these really scary moments that maybe when

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it's happening, it's like how do you how do you

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bring this to a screen and make it so other

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people are like seeing what you're seeing and experiencing it

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how you are. I imagine that can be like really

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really difficult to do. Is there any moments in this

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that could be challenging to bring to life or that

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you're excited about showing everybody?

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I don't think it's going to be challenging because we

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have pretty much everything planned, like all the scares and everything.

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And if it's if it's well planned, it's easy to

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bring it to life. Actually, if like the shots are weaplaned,

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then how to and of course, thank goodness, we have

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an Emmy Award winning visual effects supervisor help. Yeah yeah,

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actually ours husband that really so that's amazing.

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Yeah, we have it planned.

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I won't spoiler it how and when you guys have

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to watch it to find out.

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But we have it all planned. We have it all planned.

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Yeah, we have a really good jump scare.

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But it is just planning, and it's writing a script

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that's done in a very visual way so you can

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see it. It's having good actors that can like really

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channel that emotion. And we have not cast our lead

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actress yet. We're still looking, but we have cast the

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there's two leads, one the other guy, and oh my god,

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he's so good.

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Indeed, indeed, well that's exciting.

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I worked with him him on the show nineteen twenty three,

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which is the Yellowstone spit off with Harrison Ford and

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it's not Hair, but he plays Luca. If anybody's seen

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nineteen twenty three, he plays Luca. He was fantastic to

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work with on set, like he's a great actor, and

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I immediately thought of him for this role, like he

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has this great charisma and stuff that we really want

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from him. And we did a reading with him just

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to like we assumed that he would be good because

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like I've seen him work, but we still wanted to

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do a reading with him and see if he got

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the vision for the part. And he had read the

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script and then told us like how he like saw it,

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like what he perceived from it and what he perceived

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from the character. He'd really gotten into this mindset and

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then like his audition, I was like screaming internally because

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you have this idea like how you want an actor

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to perform it. And I was also like there for

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like the real thing, like I know how this actually

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played out, like who the characters actually are. But then

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like he brought something I didn't expect to it that

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like went beyond my expectations and like I had chills

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it was so good.

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Oh that's amazing. That's like what you hope for.

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Yeah.

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And also from a director's perspective that when you see

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someone performing, sometimes you want them to bring out different

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emotions or say this in a different way or you know.

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And then he was like perfect for the all I didn't.

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I could not give him any notes because he really

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understood the character.

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No notes, no.

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Notes, no notes.

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That's that's amazing.

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He changed the emotions when he had to.

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He was just like really understood the character, and he

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was the perfect fit.

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Yeah, so that's amazing.

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Do you think it's going to be harder to find

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the person who's supposed to play you, Aurora?

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It is proving to be more difficult.

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Yes, I can imagine that, because it's like you're like.

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It's me, yeah, you know, and like I don't like

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necessarily need her to be me. I just need her

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to like exhibit this emotion of like what it feels like. Sure,

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And you know, also like part of it is just

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that there's like all these rules with film stuff. So

479
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if you have one actor who's union who's with SAG,

480
00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:26.400
the other one has to be And because Andy is SAG,

481
00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:28.480
now we have to find a SAG actress, which is

482
00:24:28.920 --> 00:24:32.359
just a little harder. We're an indie budget, so finding

483
00:24:32.400 --> 00:24:36.000
somebody of that caliber, there's like there's a lot of

484
00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:38.799
people out of work right now, unfortunately, Like it really

485
00:24:38.799 --> 00:24:42.319
sucks for filmmakers. It's a really sad time for anybody

486
00:24:42.319 --> 00:24:44.680
in the film industry. But it's just a little more

487
00:24:44.759 --> 00:24:48.200
challenging to find. I mean there's great quality actresses of

488
00:24:48.240 --> 00:24:51.440
course that are like in SAG, but it's making it

489
00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:52.519
a little harder for us.

490
00:24:52.759 --> 00:24:55.359
Yeah, I mean, it's a it's a tough bar because

491
00:24:55.359 --> 00:24:57.720
you have that challenge and then you know you're really

492
00:24:57.720 --> 00:25:00.920
looking for someone who, like you, Senda is going to

493
00:25:02.079 --> 00:25:04.839
match the emotion and everything that you're looking for.

494
00:25:05.000 --> 00:25:07.680
It's a it's a lot of boxes to check.

495
00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:10.400
And they have to be a good fit for Andy,

496
00:25:10.640 --> 00:25:13.160
like their counterpart, Like they have to like have good

497
00:25:13.240 --> 00:25:16.920
chemistry and work well together. So we're going to find her.

498
00:25:17.039 --> 00:25:19.480
She's going to be absolutely perfect, I know it, but

499
00:25:19.519 --> 00:25:20.519
we're not quite there yet.

500
00:25:20.759 --> 00:25:23.720
Yeah, So let's talk about the ways people can maybe

501
00:25:23.880 --> 00:25:27.880
help you guys get this movie created. So you have

502
00:25:27.960 --> 00:25:31.119
an indie go go fund for the film, can you

503
00:25:31.119 --> 00:25:33.000
tell us a little bit about that and like how

504
00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:35.200
direct people to help sure?

505
00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:38.839
So you know, it's a bit pricey to make films

506
00:25:38.920 --> 00:25:42.759
of course, and this because like the way shorts work,

507
00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:45.640
it's really hard for us to go to this kind

508
00:25:45.640 --> 00:25:48.680
of standard channels for funding because there's never a return

509
00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:52.480
on investment, and this kind of enables us, you know,

510
00:25:52.519 --> 00:25:55.400
like with Bad Witches, we want to eventually make feature films.

511
00:25:55.839 --> 00:25:58.440
Fanny and I have a long history of making movies.

512
00:25:58.559 --> 00:26:01.519
We've both been on big studio stuff. Fanny's worked on

513
00:26:01.799 --> 00:26:06.720
Dune two, doing the TV shows Moonnight, like, we've both

514
00:26:06.759 --> 00:26:09.599
worked on some pretty big productions. But this is our

515
00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:12.400
first time making something like completely from scratch, from like

516
00:26:12.480 --> 00:26:16.880
writing it to producing it to directing it to everything

517
00:26:17.079 --> 00:26:20.640
and if Fanny's an assistant director and a very talented one.

518
00:26:20.799 --> 00:26:24.240
But so you know, it's it's a process. And in

519
00:26:24.359 --> 00:26:26.279
order to prove that we have the ability to do

520
00:26:26.319 --> 00:26:28.480
that before somebody will give us like a million dollars

521
00:26:28.519 --> 00:26:31.799
to make a feature movie, we have to basically have

522
00:26:32.440 --> 00:26:34.200
something showing we can do it, that we can do

523
00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:35.839
it well, that we can tell a story well, that

524
00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:39.640
we can make something beautiful and stunning and engaging and meaningful,

525
00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:42.400
which I think we really will pull off with Vessel.

526
00:26:43.599 --> 00:26:46.200
But we do need help out funding it.

527
00:26:46.519 --> 00:26:49.920
And you know, basically, if you all want to find

528
00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:52.559
out what happens next, you're gonna have to donate to

529
00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:53.359
the campaign.

530
00:26:53.839 --> 00:26:57.839
Gotta do it, you gotta do it, dig deep, Okay,

531
00:26:57.920 --> 00:26:59.720
we need some proof of concept.

532
00:27:00.759 --> 00:27:04.039
Yeah, And basically basically it's not just donations because we

533
00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:08.240
are offering amazing perks like tickets to the premiere or

534
00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:13.599
set visits or a PA internship which is not about

535
00:27:13.880 --> 00:27:19.680
just bringing coffee, but it's about like shadowing like industry professionals.

536
00:27:19.960 --> 00:27:20.400
Very cool.

537
00:27:20.640 --> 00:27:22.240
So we have some amazing perks.

538
00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:22.519
Yeah.

539
00:27:22.519 --> 00:27:25.440
And are we effects supervisor like we mentioned will be there.

540
00:27:25.559 --> 00:27:28.640
He's actually the effects supervisor from Titanic.

541
00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:31.519
Oh what think the boat?

542
00:27:31.720 --> 00:27:32.799
But it's such a theme.

543
00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:36.279
We literally bring up Titanic on accident in like every episode.

544
00:27:36.319 --> 00:27:37.519
It always circles back.

545
00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:39.240
Here's our chance. Okay.

546
00:27:39.279 --> 00:27:42.079
I actually have a cute story about this, y'all. So

547
00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:45.440
he was working as an artist at the time and

548
00:27:46.119 --> 00:27:48.839
he did the breath for Jack and Rose on the door,

549
00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:50.680
like when Rose was on the door and Jack was

550
00:27:50.720 --> 00:27:53.440
in the water, the famous door, the famous door, and

551
00:27:53.480 --> 00:27:56.000
also the famous scene, the most famous scene. And also

552
00:27:56.119 --> 00:27:58.759
the breath work is still used, like they still like

553
00:27:58.920 --> 00:28:01.359
mimic like his work that he did on other shows,

554
00:28:01.400 --> 00:28:03.920
including nineteen twenty three that I was just gone. The

555
00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:06.559
directors like, I want the breath to look like Titanic,

556
00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:08.400
and we're like, well, great, because.

557
00:28:08.119 --> 00:28:09.480
We had the guy who did it on the show.

558
00:28:10.359 --> 00:28:11.079
Amazing.

559
00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:14.559
But also like in that scene, he's doing this work

560
00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:17.400
and he hasn't read the script and he's adding their

561
00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:19.319
breath and like he has like the notes and he's

562
00:28:19.359 --> 00:28:21.799
like in this like clip, he's adding it for Rose,

563
00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:23.480
he's adding it for Jack. He's adding it for Rose,

564
00:28:23.480 --> 00:28:25.160
He's adding it for Jack. Then he gets to a

565
00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:27.799
clip word's only Rose and he's like, wait, y'all miss

566
00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:32.640
Jack's breath. And he's like, oh, Jack's dead. Oh, and

567
00:28:32.680 --> 00:28:34.240
that's how I found that that Jack dies.

568
00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:38.079
Oh my god. Spoiler alerts.

569
00:28:38.079 --> 00:28:42.400
Oh if that's a spoiler, then I think you need

570
00:28:42.440 --> 00:28:45.200
to like maybe consider leaving the house a little bit more.

571
00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:48.519
You never know.

572
00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:53.000
I but yeah, for getting this funded you know, just

573
00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:55.119
to kind of talk about like what that means too.

574
00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:58.480
You know, the reason why we had started Bad Witches

575
00:28:58.759 --> 00:29:03.720
is because there's nothing being made right now and studios

576
00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:06.519
have kind of run the show for a long time.

577
00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:08.920
We had this like great time for indie film in

578
00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:11.599
the nineties and a lot of like those independent film

579
00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:14.759
houses got bought up by studios, and now like all

580
00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:17.599
those brilliant minds aren't getting to work because studios.

581
00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:19.119
I don't know what they're doing right now.

582
00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:20.880
I think they're kind of waiting until people are so

583
00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:23.440
desperate for work that they'll work without being.

584
00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:26.240
Part of a union or like hyahs, what's happening.

585
00:29:26.279 --> 00:29:30.240
But a strong strategy from their perspective, I'm sure, but

586
00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:31.839
not great for art.

587
00:29:31.799 --> 00:29:35.000
But really bad for all these people who have been

588
00:29:35.119 --> 00:29:38.200
working artists their entire lives, that are losing their homes,

589
00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:41.240
that can't feed their children, that are living in their cars, and.

590
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:43.039
Just really sad situation.

591
00:29:43.519 --> 00:29:47.119
And we want to create something where we actually like

592
00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:50.440
make a film studio. We hire the same teams again

593
00:29:50.480 --> 00:29:54.160
and again and again. Everybody has insurance. We equalize pay

594
00:29:54.200 --> 00:29:57.240
for people, so producers aren't making like one hundred million

595
00:29:57.319 --> 00:30:00.319
dollars and then you know PA's are making a hundred

596
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:03.160
dollars a day. Like, we want everybody to be sort

597
00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:07.559
of like equalized in wages. We want to tell fem stories,

598
00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:09.519
we want to tell queer stories, we want to tell

599
00:30:09.519 --> 00:30:13.599
stories that haven't been told before. And in order to

600
00:30:13.640 --> 00:30:15.720
do this, like we have to start somewhere, we have

601
00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:18.400
to pay our crew for this, and we really want

602
00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:20.200
to help some people that have been out of work,

603
00:30:20.200 --> 00:30:22.559
give them a little glimmer of hope, contribute to something

604
00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:25.599
that we all believe in, and pay them and get

605
00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:27.200
the meals for a few days at least.

606
00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:30.200
So everyone go support if you can in any way

607
00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:32.680
you can. I think that would be such a cool

608
00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:35.640
perk too for someone who's not just interested in like

609
00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:38.279
the film businesses, but like wants to get like started

610
00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:41.720
in the film business to do the do the shadowing perk,

611
00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:42.960
that would be so cool.

612
00:30:43.480 --> 00:30:46.880
Absolutely, Yeah, And like our DP work with Lady Gaga,

613
00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:50.000
she's really impressive, Like we have some really cool people

614
00:30:50.119 --> 00:30:50.799
on set.

615
00:30:50.559 --> 00:30:51.160
To learn from.

616
00:30:51.440 --> 00:30:55.480
Yeah, so get on it. Everybody, please go donate because

617
00:30:55.559 --> 00:30:57.640
I just need to see this happen.

618
00:30:58.119 --> 00:31:03.880
Yes, yeah, we'll definitely have to link to the indie

619
00:31:03.880 --> 00:31:05.920
Go Go in the show notes too.

620
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:14.240
What inspired both of you to start working in film?

621
00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:17.240
I actually I started working in film five years ago.

622
00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:21.720
I was always in love with movies, like starting from

623
00:31:21.759 --> 00:31:24.559
a young age, I was always spent my free time

624
00:31:24.599 --> 00:31:25.400
watching movies.

625
00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:28.160
So first, honestly, I.

626
00:31:28.119 --> 00:31:32.680
Wanted to be an actress, but soon I realized I

627
00:31:32.680 --> 00:31:35.079
was born to the wrong country for that, which is hungry.

628
00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:38.359
And then I.

629
00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:41.599
Was like, what should I do, which is behind the camera,

630
00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:43.160
but would be a good fit for me.

631
00:31:43.759 --> 00:31:45.680
And then I found out about.

632
00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:49.960
The assistant director position because it's like leading people and

633
00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:55.599
organizing things, making schedules, and so then I went to

634
00:31:55.839 --> 00:31:59.400
a two years assistant director course and that's how I

635
00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:02.599
got into film. Basically I got to know people. And

636
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:05.799
then my first movie I was working on was Borderlins.

637
00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:08.599
I don't know if you guys seen it. Yeah, so

638
00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:11.119
that was my first movie. And then it just it

639
00:32:11.240 --> 00:32:13.480
just kept coming. I was stucking me in the street.

640
00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:18.640
You would suck me in, Yeah, absolutely.

641
00:32:18.640 --> 00:32:20.079
It attached itself to you.

642
00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:22.240
Oh absolutely, yeah.

643
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:22.839
Yeah.

644
00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:25.400
But honestly, I love it so much I cannot imagine

645
00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:29.200
doing anything else. So this is basically why we decided

646
00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:32.240
to start our own company to tell stories.

647
00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:36.640
So it's really like an addicting thing to do. Like

648
00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:39.440
it's it's like really the hardest job I've ever had.

649
00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:42.480
Like you really are working twelve, sometimes fourteen hour days.

650
00:32:42.519 --> 00:32:45.920
Sometimes you're like starting at like six pm and working

651
00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:49.720
until six am, and like it's brutal. But there's nothing

652
00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:52.960
like the feeling of so many people that are creative

653
00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:57.000
coming together to like make something and like this tedious process,

654
00:32:57.359 --> 00:32:59.960
but then people watch it and love it and reac

655
00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:01.440
to it and like feel.

656
00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:02.119
Something about it.

657
00:33:02.119 --> 00:33:04.920
It's just it's so beautiful and you can't get out

658
00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:06.039
of it if you try.

659
00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:09.440
Yeah, and it's really exhausting. And honestly, I've heard this

660
00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:12.200
from so many people. They were like, Oh, this is

661
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:14.880
gonna be my last show. I'm not working in film anymore.

662
00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:16.920
I don't want to I want to leave this industry.

663
00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:18.880
And then we've met on the next project.

664
00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:22.319
Yes, I was like, oh, you're here, so you did

665
00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:23.759
not live this seeing you?

666
00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:25.400
Yeah?

667
00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:26.079
Literally?

668
00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:27.519
Yeah.

669
00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:30.359
Now, I mean it sounds like I mean from a

670
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:35.400
scheduling aspect alone, you would just have to be so

671
00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:40.279
passionate about that as your career because that's a really

672
00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:43.279
tough thing to have, like work life.

673
00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:45.559
Balance and absolutely.

674
00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:49.799
My gosh, you don't really have private life, yeah, next

675
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:52.920
to film honestly, because you're basically just go to work,

676
00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:55.759
exhaust yourself all day, and then you go home and

677
00:33:55.839 --> 00:33:57.319
straight fall into bed.

678
00:33:57.720 --> 00:34:01.119
Right well, and then you guys create you know, your

679
00:34:01.160 --> 00:34:02.839
own company where you're doing it.

680
00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:05.400
All yourself, so that just like adds to it.

681
00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:07.119
It's not like you're just going to work and then

682
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:09.360
you get to come home and like be off.

683
00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:12.400
I imagine you're probably like always working.

684
00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:14.239
Yeah, yeah, day and night.

685
00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:17.079
Honestly, as soon as I wake up at six am

686
00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:20.119
until when I go to bed whenever, that's yeah.

687
00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:23.559
Yeah. It's like sometimes there's an idea coming up and

688
00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:25.480
then I text to Oro at one am my.

689
00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:29.800
Time, I'm like, oh, I have an idea.

690
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:32.679
I know it's one I know it's one am, but

691
00:34:32.719 --> 00:34:34.039
I have to tell you now.

692
00:34:34.360 --> 00:34:38.159
Well, I mean otherwise you lose it forever, right right.

693
00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:41.679
Exactly exactly. And my brain works the best at night,

694
00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:43.519
so it is what it is.

695
00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:46.000
Yeah, I can relate to that.

696
00:34:46.119 --> 00:34:48.480
Yeah, thank goodness. She's a morning person.

697
00:34:48.559 --> 00:34:48.800
Yeah.

698
00:34:48.840 --> 00:34:50.880
So the time difference yea, like.

699
00:34:51.639 --> 00:34:53.760
A nine hour time difference or something.

700
00:34:54.199 --> 00:34:57.840
And it's great because I like wake up so early,

701
00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:01.239
and then I can like start texting Fanny when it's

702
00:35:01.239 --> 00:35:03.320
her daytime and she's still up late, when I like

703
00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:04.719
she goes to bed around the same time I go

704
00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:05.039
to bed.

705
00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:08.000
Perfect, that's true.

706
00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:11.239
Actually, so you guys can never live in the same

707
00:35:11.280 --> 00:35:12.880
time zone or it'll just not work.

708
00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:14.800
I don't know how we'll do it.

709
00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:20.039
Yeah, I still text you at one am.

710
00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:23.519
You'd just be ships in the night.

711
00:35:26.039 --> 00:35:29.239
I also feel like too, when you text someone your

712
00:35:29.239 --> 00:35:31.920
idea right away, instead of like writing it down and

713
00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:34.480
maybe waiting until later, you could like read it later

714
00:35:34.519 --> 00:35:36.599
and be like, oh, well, this idea kind of sucks.

715
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:39.960
I'm not gonna I'm not ever gonna like tell send

716
00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:42.960
it right away. Then you don't have that chance to

717
00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:44.239
like second guess yourself.

718
00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:47.599
Yeah, right, for you've overthought it well, and I feel

719
00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:53.360
like you always, well almost always explain things better when

720
00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:55.880
it's like fresh and in the moment and you're feeling

721
00:35:56.000 --> 00:35:59.280
like excited and passionate about you know, the idea that

722
00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:02.480
you just came up with, where like you said, you know,

723
00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:05.480
if you if you sit on it, then sometimes it's like,

724
00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:11.079
m I'm forgetting details about it, or you know, like

725
00:36:11.360 --> 00:36:14.320
things that really trade shit what it was.

726
00:36:14.599 --> 00:36:18.880
Yeah, absolutely, Do you guys have any advice for women

727
00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:20.599
wanting to get started in film?

728
00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:21.400
Do it.

729
00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:26.360
Yeah, it's gonna be hard, it's gonna be a challenge,

730
00:36:26.519 --> 00:36:30.519
but do it. Because the more women start to work

731
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:34.239
in this industry, the more success women will have in

732
00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:34.920
the industry.

733
00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:39.320
So you know, it's it's still so hard, and there's

734
00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:42.840
still so few women on film sets. Like the average

735
00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:45.760
crew is like maybe a few hundred people, or is

736
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:48.000
obviously gonna be much smaller for the short but like

737
00:36:48.039 --> 00:36:51.599
the percentage of women is certainly nowhere near fifty percent.

738
00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:54.760
And also like you might see a lot of women

739
00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:57.679
who are like pas and such, more people like coming

740
00:36:57.679 --> 00:36:59.760
through the system, but then like the number of women

741
00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:04.320
who hods and such is just non existent. And I

742
00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:08.320
had gone on a scout for nineteen twenty three when

743
00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:12.280
we were moving from Austin to Montana, And I went

744
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:15.280
on the scout as a lower position, like as a coordinator,

745
00:37:16.039 --> 00:37:19.079
which I normally wouldn't have been invited on. But we

746
00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:23.440
had some like weird things going on because we it

747
00:37:23.480 --> 00:37:25.360
was supposed to snow for all of this show. It

748
00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:28.119
takes place in Montana in a blizzard, and they decided

749
00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:32.880
to film it in October, and I'd been to Yellowstone

750
00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:34.480
in October years ago and I was like, the.

751
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:36.599
Weather was like beautiful. I don't feel like it was

752
00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:38.800
anywhere near snowing. Then we'll see how this is going

753
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:39.119
to go.

754
00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:41.760
And it was like my department and like it was

755
00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:45.039
kind of my role to make sure that the snow

756
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:46.519
happened because we were going to add that all in

757
00:37:46.599 --> 00:37:49.079
visual effects, which was not the original plan. And we

758
00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:51.320
had this like eight million dollars snow budget, like it

759
00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:54.480
was just crazy. So they decided that like I should

760
00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:56.480
be there for that because we had to make sure

761
00:37:56.599 --> 00:37:58.920
all the sets were scans we could add snow to them.

762
00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:02.360
And also so we had two VFX supervisors and one

763
00:38:02.360 --> 00:38:05.519
of them couldn't go. So they're like, okay, or I

764
00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:08.679
just go. And I hadn't like given any thought. I

765
00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:10.800
had never been invited on a scout because I'm not

766
00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:14.079
high enough up like on a big studio project. And

767
00:38:14.239 --> 00:38:17.960
I'm looking around and there's like fifty men and three

768
00:38:18.039 --> 00:38:22.119
or four women yep on this scout like for hods,

769
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:24.320
and like the women that were there, a lot of

770
00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:27.119
them were like assistant to the hod They weren't even

771
00:38:27.199 --> 00:38:30.639
like the Hods and it was just shocking. But you

772
00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:33.159
look at that snippet, but then like the next snippet

773
00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:37.360
is like bipoc people and let me tell you how

774
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:39.440
white a film crew is. So like we need more

775
00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:41.960
diversity like in this space, like we need to hear

776
00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:46.079
people's stories that aren't like older white men, and like

777
00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:48.000
we need more voices in this space.

778
00:38:48.400 --> 00:38:50.400
Seriously, have we not heard enough?

779
00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:52.000
Yeah?

780
00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:55.679
Yeah, movies for the beginning of time have been told

781
00:38:55.719 --> 00:38:59.480
from like a white male says straight perspective, and let's

782
00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:00.320
do something else.

783
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:02.360
I don't know, just give it a shot.

784
00:39:03.280 --> 00:39:04.559
What if we tried something else?

785
00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:06.800
Yeah? Literally anything.

786
00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:12.280
Yeah, It's like when I thought someone that ivia direct

787
00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:17.159
this movie, the first reaction was, wait, isn't aren't directors

788
00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:17.880
usually men?

789
00:39:18.760 --> 00:39:18.960
What?

790
00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:21.000
I was used that right now?

791
00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:23.679
Unfortunately it's true.

792
00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:28.920
Kate Blanchet just posted this like video at con Film Festival,

793
00:39:29.559 --> 00:39:31.840
and I'm going to mix up this number. I keep

794
00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:34.280
forgetting to look up the accurate number. But she said

795
00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:37.760
that like in the history of the festival, eighteen I

796
00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:40.480
think it was like eighteen hundred men that were directors

797
00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:44.840
have been on the steps in only eighty women directors

798
00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:46.599
compared to eighteen hundred men.

799
00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:51.000
Wow, I don't love the stats. I'm not gonna lie.

800
00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:54.840
Feels like it should be at least a little closer to,

801
00:39:55.639 --> 00:39:55.960
you know.

802
00:39:56.760 --> 00:39:57.760
At least fifteen.

803
00:39:58.880 --> 00:40:00.239
Yeah, I could be.

804
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:04.239
Into except you know, maybe a sixty forty. We're working

805
00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:07.480
on it, but that's ye, it's a long ways off.

806
00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:12.480
A long ways, very long ways. Yeah, one percent or something.

807
00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:16.199
Okay, ladies, let's plot the film industry. Let's go.

808
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:20.840
That's the plan, storm take over.

809
00:40:21.039 --> 00:40:23.559
Yes, get in there.

810
00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:23.880
Yeah.

811
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:26.039
And if you're a filmmaker and you're like, hey, I

812
00:40:26.119 --> 00:40:31.079
want to join a group of ragtag women filmmakers and

813
00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:33.320
I want to go out to La or I'm like,

814
00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:35.800
we're going to film in Joshua Tree, like near where

815
00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:37.280
I am right now. And you want to be a

816
00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:39.000
part of this, let us know. We would love to

817
00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:42.400
mentor you if you're new, if you've been in it

818
00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:46.159
for a while, and you have something you'd like to contribute.

819
00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:48.119
We are trying to get everybody paid. It may not

820
00:40:48.159 --> 00:40:50.039
be the best rate you've ever gotten from a studio,

821
00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:53.119
but we're trying to get everybody paid, and it's something

822
00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:56.440
we take very seriously, and we'd love to hear your ideas.

823
00:40:56.760 --> 00:41:01.480
Yes, please contact them, get in there. I'm so excited.

824
00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:03.360
I just want to, like, I can't wait to see

825
00:41:03.400 --> 00:41:04.280
what all comes from this.

826
00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:05.400
I'm very excited.

827
00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:13.760
Okay, So we kind of did talk about some of

828
00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:17.480
the other films that you worked on. Had you either

829
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:19.960
of you ever worked on a horror film before.

830
00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:21.079
I haven't.

831
00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:24.760
I worked on House of Spoils.

832
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:29.440
It's a it's a prime video movie, but it wasn't

833
00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:31.360
really scary in my opinion.

834
00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:36.440
It's horror, though, I'll be the judge of it.

835
00:41:36.519 --> 00:41:38.159
Haylan's like I was terrified.

836
00:41:38.239 --> 00:41:41.679
Okay, I won't say any spoilers, but it's not like

837
00:41:41.960 --> 00:41:45.400
it's not a movie jump scares and stuff, right, Okay, So,

838
00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:48.599
but yeah, it's genre. It's horror, but it's not like

839
00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:53.199
the bloody jump scares and slashing people kind of horror.

840
00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:55.119
You have to watch it and you will find out.

841
00:41:56.920 --> 00:42:00.000
So this is kind of new for both of you.

842
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:02.239
Yeah, yeah, you know, and like a lot of it

843
00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:06.039
is done like similarly, you know, like like there was

844
00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:09.599
some really lovely scenes on nineteen twenty three comes to mind.

845
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:11.920
Just I just got off the show where the director

846
00:42:11.960 --> 00:42:13.960
wanted to approach the way that they were shot as

847
00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:16.679
a horror movie, like where he's building suspense, Like there's

848
00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:21.119
a scene where Helen Mirren's character is attacked by a

849
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:22.239
or like.

850
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:25.400
Is confronting a mountain lion. I think that's the mountain

851
00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:26.840
lion scene. There was a mountain lion and a wolf.

852
00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:27.840
It was the wolf.

853
00:42:28.119 --> 00:42:30.159
The wolf like has killed a nurse.

854
00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:31.960
S it'ce all like blood and guts like in her

855
00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:33.679
living room, and it's like we have a lot of

856
00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:36.559
like bloody stuff. And he wanted to like sneak up

857
00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:39.960
on that scene and like approach it like you would

858
00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:42.960
a horror movie discovery like a jump scare, and so

859
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:45.840
like that was like done in that way. Like we

860
00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:49.840
had this great special effects makeup shot where they're drilling

861
00:42:49.880 --> 00:42:54.639
into somebody's skull because they were having gosh, I forget

862
00:42:54.639 --> 00:42:57.639
what the name of that is where they had like

863
00:42:57.719 --> 00:43:00.360
blood like essentially like sitting on their brain is like

864
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:03.920
a heemotoma or something. I forget the issue, Like the

865
00:43:03.960 --> 00:43:05.599
way and I don't know how they deal with it now,

866
00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:07.440
Like I'm certainly not a doctor, but like the way

867
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:08.760
they would deal with it then was like they would

868
00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:11.639
literally drill into the person's skull to release that pressure,

869
00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:14.320
and so we had to have like we had like

870
00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:18.000
the the special effects head that was made to look

871
00:43:18.039 --> 00:43:21.960
like the actor, and they were drilling into this like

872
00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:25.519
bloody like thing with blood scorting everywhere and like whatever.

873
00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:30.079
And I didn't need to be on set then, Like

874
00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:32.280
it was. I'm a coordinator. It's like a lot of

875
00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:34.599
my time is spent in a trailer. Like I'm like

876
00:43:34.639 --> 00:43:37.519
a budget vend or whatever. I'm organizing things. I don't

877
00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:40.119
always have to be on set. But like I was

878
00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:42.320
texting my VFX team and I was like, if I

879
00:43:42.440 --> 00:43:44.199
missed the bloody head scene, I will be.

880
00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:47.159
Bloods burting.

881
00:43:49.360 --> 00:43:52.760
Oh my gosh. It's a dema, a deema. That's the

882
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:54.760
word a dema where we were looking for.

883
00:43:55.960 --> 00:43:58.280
See, are you guys excited to work on just like

884
00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:01.119
a straight horror film and do you want to keep

885
00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:02.880
doing horror films in the future.

886
00:44:03.360 --> 00:44:06.360
I think it's probably a good direction for us. We

887
00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:10.360
are not limiting ourselves to horror. There's a few reasons

888
00:44:10.360 --> 00:44:12.559
to do horror. For one thing, like it's actually pretty

889
00:44:12.679 --> 00:44:16.719
inexpensive to do a horror movie. For a few reasons,

890
00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:21.039
like a lot of the themes are done in like

891
00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:23.000
film world. What's called like a monster in a house,

892
00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:26.119
like classic storytelling style, where you're filming at one location,

893
00:44:26.320 --> 00:44:28.840
maybe it's in a house, like a Halloween kind of

894
00:44:28.840 --> 00:44:32.039
thing or whatever. You're limiting your locations and the number

895
00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:35.440
of actors. It's also really easy to pull things off

896
00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:38.920
with practical effects, which will always be much cheaper than

897
00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:42.480
visual effects, and we'll be doing all of our effects

898
00:44:42.519 --> 00:44:45.679
practically while having VFX there to make sure we don't

899
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:48.039
mess it up, so we have to go into VFX.

900
00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:51.320
Perfect. That's perfect.

901
00:44:51.400 --> 00:44:51.599
Yeah.

902
00:44:51.639 --> 00:44:54.800
So I think that horror is such an important genre

903
00:44:55.000 --> 00:44:59.079
for women and unrepresented voices in general, because it's a

904
00:44:59.079 --> 00:45:02.159
way for us to speak about things that have happened

905
00:45:02.199 --> 00:45:05.079
to us and our experiences in a metaphorical sense, like

906
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:08.079
what we're doing with Vessel, and so I think it's

907
00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:10.840
it's easy to like kind of get into like a

908
00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:15.199
gentle political mindset too, which we're already working on our

909
00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:18.000
first feature length script, which is going to kind of

910
00:45:18.039 --> 00:45:23.760
address like the housing economy, how like it's so hard

911
00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:26.719
to get housing these days because of short term rentals

912
00:45:26.800 --> 00:45:30.039
and just like wealthy coming in and like buying up

913
00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:31.719
space like in a town where I live, like in

914
00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:34.639
Joshua tree where like you literally can't find houses because

915
00:45:34.679 --> 00:45:36.559
they're all vacation.

916
00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:37.559
Rentals on Airbnb.

917
00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:39.599
Yeah, and so like it's going to be like a

918
00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:43.039
movie kind of making a statement about that, and it'll

919
00:45:43.079 --> 00:45:46.440
be like a fun kind of like not quite slashery

920
00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:48.639
a little bit, but we're gonna have some like scream

921
00:45:48.760 --> 00:45:50.719
style stunts and stuff in it.

922
00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:51.880
So I think it'll be a fun one.

923
00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:53.559
You love that, And.

924
00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:56.440
There's a meaning behind because what's important for us to

925
00:45:56.719 --> 00:46:00.159
have a meaning always in every movie, every movie you

926
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:03.599
make like either a political statement or some kind of

927
00:46:03.639 --> 00:46:04.679
meaning behind.

928
00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:06.840
Yause, what else? What else is it for?

929
00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:07.239
Right?

930
00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:10.800
You can't? Like that's so true. Help people your thoughts

931
00:46:10.840 --> 00:46:11.440
and feelings.

932
00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:17.400
Yeah, exactly, especially right now. Yeah, in these times.

933
00:46:17.880 --> 00:46:20.559
Okay, I wanted to know if you had any current

934
00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:23.480
movie suggestions for people to watch.

935
00:46:23.639 --> 00:46:25.400
Substance we're ubsess.

936
00:46:25.840 --> 00:46:27.639
Yes, Substance is amazing.

937
00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:30.480
If anyone asked, my first answer is Substance.

938
00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:33.199
It's so good, agreed.

939
00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:37.039
The two that, like, I think Substance like, I definitely

940
00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:39.320
loved and it's probably one of the most memorable horror

941
00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:42.519
movies I've seen, like in the recent years. But I

942
00:46:42.559 --> 00:46:45.920
also really love Strange Darling. Oh, have y'all seen that?

943
00:46:46.280 --> 00:46:47.320
No, I haven't seen that.

944
00:46:47.440 --> 00:46:54.079
Oh, it's so good. It's kind of like a serial

945
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:58.679
killer kind of thing. We're like a girl's traveling with

946
00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:02.119
a guy. We're like presuming as a serial killer. And

947
00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:05.519
Kyle Gallner I'm not sure if I'm saying his name right,

948
00:47:05.559 --> 00:47:09.079
isn't it And he was in like Veronica Mars. He

949
00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:11.840
was in Smile. He's like the cop that's trying to

950
00:47:11.840 --> 00:47:16.440
help Socie Bacons. Yeah, and like he's briefly in the

951
00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:17.000
second one.

952
00:47:17.320 --> 00:47:20.360
Oh, no, I haven't seen the second one yet.

953
00:47:20.719 --> 00:47:22.639
So he's great. He's in it.

954
00:47:23.119 --> 00:47:27.280
But it's like such a great like it's got one

955
00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:30.679
of the best twists I've ever seen ever done in

956
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:33.599
a movie. It's so great, it's so smart. It's really

957
00:47:33.880 --> 00:47:37.400
like a beautifully done movie. So I really liked that one.

958
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:41.920
And then we were just chatting with Cass and Ashley

959
00:47:42.039 --> 00:47:45.639
from Drinking the kool Aid podcast. We just did a

960
00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:48.440
chat with them the other day. They're so wonderful. And

961
00:47:48.559 --> 00:47:52.320
Cass had recommended a movie to us which was Significant

962
00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:56.719
Other and it has Gosh, I don't know her name,

963
00:47:57.000 --> 00:47:59.320
but she was she's the girl from It follows the

964
00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:02.719
blonde girl, and she's like such a scream queen, like

965
00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:07.320
she's in the Villain. She's in so many great movies.

966
00:48:07.400 --> 00:48:10.679
She's always so good, like she deserves the scream queen

967
00:48:10.719 --> 00:48:11.360
title for sure.

968
00:48:11.480 --> 00:48:12.920
I can't remember her name. I wish I knew it,

969
00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:14.039
but she's in it.

970
00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:17.840
And this other guy that I think he was like

971
00:48:17.840 --> 00:48:19.719
in the office, and he's been in a few things,

972
00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:22.039
but he always plays like the guy that you like.

973
00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:24.400
He seems nice, but you know he's going to be

974
00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:26.480
like a bad guy eventually, Like he has this kind

975
00:48:26.480 --> 00:48:29.760
of like douchey quality. But it takes like a real

976
00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:32.360
like some real unexpected twists in turns and was not

977
00:48:32.440 --> 00:48:33.800
at all what I thought it was going to be.

978
00:48:34.639 --> 00:48:36.639
So that's like a nice one for like kind of

979
00:48:36.679 --> 00:48:39.719
like a sci fi monster in the woods, like they

980
00:48:39.719 --> 00:48:42.239
go on a camping like a hiking trip, and like

981
00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:45.559
twist twist, twist twist, like who has the power now?

982
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:47.280
Like it's really kind of mind blowing.

983
00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:49.519
Those are good because I haven't seen either of those

984
00:48:49.639 --> 00:48:52.239
that you suggested, so I'll have to put them.

985
00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:56.119
Yeah, I don't think I have seen either of them either.

986
00:48:56.239 --> 00:48:58.840
You haven't seen very many scary movies, but you did

987
00:48:59.000 --> 00:48:59.719
you did see some?

988
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:00.960
Yeah?

989
00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:01.559
Right?

990
00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:05.480
I bought it. Yeah, I was like renting good job.

991
00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:08.639
And I would say, like, if you're like for people

992
00:49:08.679 --> 00:49:12.800
that are like kind of like horror adjacent, like maybe

993
00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:15.320
they don't like to fully immerse themselves in like a

994
00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:20.079
slasher movie, Strange Darling is really good for that because

995
00:49:20.079 --> 00:49:23.519
I wouldn't like call it scary. It's just like really

996
00:49:23.719 --> 00:49:28.039
fun and unexpected, like very feminist. And I don't want

997
00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:29.800
to like say what it reminds me of, because then

998
00:49:29.840 --> 00:49:30.400
it would kind.

999
00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:31.199
Of give away the end.

1000
00:49:31.360 --> 00:49:33.159
Oh that's but it reminds me of like this other

1001
00:49:33.239 --> 00:49:35.519
great like feminist horror movie that I saw that I

1002
00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:38.840
wish they had taken it in this direction a little more,

1003
00:49:38.920 --> 00:49:41.079
but like it's it's really good.

1004
00:49:41.480 --> 00:49:43.559
Oh now I'm like, oh, maybe we need to watch

1005
00:49:43.639 --> 00:49:45.400
it and then right now come back to you.

1006
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:47.079
Yeah right now.

1007
00:49:48.239 --> 00:49:51.400
Yeah, we'll have like a movie club.

1008
00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:52.440
And I love that.

1009
00:49:52.920 --> 00:49:56.039
Yeah, sign us up.

1010
00:49:56.719 --> 00:49:57.679
Yeah.

1011
00:49:57.679 --> 00:49:59.760
Have you guys seen the movie Presence? No?

1012
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:03.119
Oh yes, I just watched that and I was like,

1013
00:50:03.519 --> 00:50:05.360
this movie is like pretty good.

1014
00:50:05.559 --> 00:50:07.159
I was just like suw, I have to add that

1015
00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:07.800
to my list.

1016
00:50:08.039 --> 00:50:08.719
It's good.

1017
00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:11.119
Yeah. I wasn't expecting it.

1018
00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:14.000
It's good. It's a ghost story. Oh yeah.

1019
00:50:14.039 --> 00:50:18.320
And like from a filmmaking perspective, that was done with

1020
00:50:19.840 --> 00:50:22.760
like the average movie I was reading has like hundreds

1021
00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:25.360
to maybe thousands of like cuts, so like you cut

1022
00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:26.639
and go to like the next scene.

1023
00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:29.119
That one I think I read has.

1024
00:50:29.119 --> 00:50:33.440
Thirty three right, wow, So the longest takes you've ever seen.

1025
00:50:33.760 --> 00:50:36.480
And it's kind of shot like a documentary where they're

1026
00:50:36.519 --> 00:50:39.679
like following them around with a wide angle lens instead

1027
00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:42.079
of like normally you would go like you would cut

1028
00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:44.159
from like one after space to another and kind of

1029
00:50:44.199 --> 00:50:46.840
like put them together having a conversation. They were like

1030
00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:51.320
moving the camera around them to like accommoedy these few cuts,

1031
00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:55.719
and it's really like artistically done. It's very beautiful. I

1032
00:50:55.719 --> 00:50:57.159
can't imagine trying to pull that off.

1033
00:50:57.599 --> 00:50:59.039
I thought it was so interesting.

1034
00:50:59.079 --> 00:51:01.880
I'm sure they did it digitally, but like they would

1035
00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:05.519
show the camera like in a reflection, but you like

1036
00:51:05.559 --> 00:51:07.920
couldn't see the camera obviously, I'm like, how did they

1037
00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:08.360
do that?

1038
00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:12.119
Yeah, And for the way they were doing it, like

1039
00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:15.119
there's certainly ways to accommodate those shots, but like the

1040
00:51:15.159 --> 00:51:18.239
way that they were keeping the cut song. They might

1041
00:51:18.280 --> 00:51:21.480
have done some VFX removal, like on the camera in

1042
00:51:21.519 --> 00:51:24.000
the mirrors, Like I wasn't looking for that. I'll have

1043
00:51:24.039 --> 00:51:26.440
to go through and see like how they did that.

1044
00:51:26.519 --> 00:51:28.039
But yeah, it's beautiful.

1045
00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:30.559
They were shooting through a window one time, so you

1046
00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:32.679
could see out the window, but the light was on

1047
00:51:32.719 --> 00:51:34.559
so you can like see the reflection of the house

1048
00:51:34.599 --> 00:51:36.199
in the back. I just thought it was so cool.

1049
00:51:36.320 --> 00:51:38.440
Was like, whoa this is this is awesome.

1050
00:51:39.079 --> 00:51:40.440
It's good Lucy losing it.

1051
00:51:40.960 --> 00:51:44.159
Yeah, Oh yeah, it's a really good movie. Yeah, it's

1052
00:51:44.239 --> 00:51:49.719
kind of like a woman's story too very much. So, well,

1053
00:51:49.760 --> 00:51:51.639
do you guys want to do some terror?

1054
00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:55.400
Yes, let's do it. I never did Taro before.

1055
00:51:55.480 --> 00:51:58.400
I'm kind of afraid of it because whatever you say

1056
00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:02.519
something bad. I've been thinking about it, like, oh day,

1057
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:03.159
all night.

1058
00:52:03.480 --> 00:52:06.159
It's always something good, something you need to know that

1059
00:52:06.239 --> 00:52:08.639
you probably already knew in the back of your mind.

1060
00:52:08.679 --> 00:52:10.800
Then it's just it's just bringing out.

1061
00:52:10.920 --> 00:52:11.639
I don't want to know.

1062
00:52:11.960 --> 00:52:16.079
I know, I don't want to know. Well, are you

1063
00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:18.119
comfortable if we if we pull out?

1064
00:52:18.559 --> 00:52:18.639
Ye?

1065
00:52:19.480 --> 00:52:22.760
Yes, do you have any specific questions about.

1066
00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:26.559
I think we would love to know if we're going

1067
00:52:26.880 --> 00:52:28.360
to pull this movie off.

1068
00:52:29.239 --> 00:52:31.960
Okay, that's a lot of pressure. Yeah, that's a lot

1069
00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:32.480
of pressure.

1070
00:52:32.679 --> 00:52:35.639
Think our biggest question is is, like, you know, we

1071
00:52:35.719 --> 00:52:38.440
have not met our Indie Go Go goal yet, and

1072
00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:41.079
we're really hoping to get there, so we'd like to

1073
00:52:41.119 --> 00:52:43.199
know because if we don't meet it, we're probably still

1074
00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:45.920
going to make it where I will play the psychic,

1075
00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:48.320
Fanny will play me, and we will shoot it with

1076
00:52:48.360 --> 00:52:52.039
an iPhone, but.

1077
00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:53.800
We will we'll be involved.

1078
00:52:54.119 --> 00:52:59.639
Yeah, right, I'll do terror. How long have you been

1079
00:52:59.639 --> 00:52:59.920
doing tear?

1080
00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:02.960
Pretty much? I've just been doing it since we started

1081
00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:04.159
the podcast.

1082
00:53:03.679 --> 00:53:07.039
Like four years ago, so nice. We're not like super

1083
00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:09.440
professional at it or anything. We kind of just are

1084
00:53:09.559 --> 00:53:13.480
learning through pulling a card every episode and that's like

1085
00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:15.159
how we're learning to do it.

1086
00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:17.920
That's how you get there, right, and then like eventually

1087
00:53:18.199 --> 00:53:21.480
your synapses start to like make sense of it.

1088
00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:22.320
Yeah.

1089
00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:25.519
It's like it's so hard to like remember all the cards.

1090
00:53:25.599 --> 00:53:28.519
And I've tried doing like apps that like like flash

1091
00:53:28.599 --> 00:53:31.199
cards like give you a card and this meaning like whatever,

1092
00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:34.920
but my memory is such trash. Yeah that I feel

1093
00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:36.480
like I should just do more readings because then I

1094
00:53:36.519 --> 00:53:40.280
would like have that memory associated with something.

1095
00:53:40.519 --> 00:53:41.039
Yeah.

1096
00:53:41.480 --> 00:53:44.599
Yeah, And we just read from like an interpretation book too.

1097
00:53:44.679 --> 00:53:49.199
We don't really have them all memorized or anything like that, right,

1098
00:53:49.440 --> 00:53:51.360
we do try to like look at the card and

1099
00:53:51.480 --> 00:53:53.719
you know, see if there's anything that correlates with what

1100
00:53:53.760 --> 00:53:54.480
we're talking about.

1101
00:53:54.559 --> 00:53:55.559
Usually there is.

1102
00:53:55.519 --> 00:53:58.440
And yeah it can be like so spot on it scary.

1103
00:53:59.119 --> 00:53:59.440
I know.

1104
00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:04.440
Recently, I have like an ancestor altar for my grandma

1105
00:54:04.679 --> 00:54:09.400
and my dog who passed away, and yeah, it's so

1106
00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:11.280
sweet and like I just set it up like kind

1107
00:54:11.280 --> 00:54:14.719
of recently and I had like pulled a card like

1108
00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:17.440
for if my grandma had anything to say for me,

1109
00:54:17.679 --> 00:54:19.800
and like whatever the card was, it was like.

1110
00:54:19.800 --> 00:54:21.400
Family love like whatever.

1111
00:54:21.480 --> 00:54:23.119
It was like this like really like kind thing and

1112
00:54:23.159 --> 00:54:25.760
my grandma was like my person. It was so sweet.

1113
00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:27.840
And then I pulled on for like my dog, who's

1114
00:54:27.920 --> 00:54:31.440
like my spirit dog, like we are connected, we always

1115
00:54:31.519 --> 00:54:35.079
will be, like she's so sweet, and the card was

1116
00:54:35.559 --> 00:54:38.639
like basically like you were an asshole.

1117
00:54:42.559 --> 00:54:44.480
She's mad at me and.

1118
00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:49.480
Right, and it was like, gosh, I wish I could

1119
00:54:49.519 --> 00:54:51.280
remember the card. I took a picture of it, but

1120
00:54:51.360 --> 00:54:54.480
it was like it represented it was like in reverse.

1121
00:54:54.559 --> 00:54:55.719
Like first of all, so it.

1122
00:54:55.639 --> 00:55:03.599
Was like like substance abuse and like not being there manipulative, unreliable,

1123
00:55:03.760 --> 00:55:10.480
and I'm like my dog thinks I'm manipulative. It's like, girl,

1124
00:55:10.639 --> 00:55:13.400
you don't like reevaluate my life and my decisions?

1125
00:55:15.159 --> 00:55:17.320
Did you though? Did you? Was? Was she telling you

1126
00:55:17.400 --> 00:55:18.239
something that you know?

1127
00:55:18.639 --> 00:55:19.360
I don't know?

1128
00:55:19.599 --> 00:55:22.719
And like I really spent a lot of time stressing

1129
00:55:22.760 --> 00:55:25.039
over it because it's like it could just be that,

1130
00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:27.760
like I don't have a good connection with my tarot deck,

1131
00:55:27.880 --> 00:55:30.480
like it's not necessarily a message from my dog. And

1132
00:55:30.519 --> 00:55:32.840
I was like my husband kept telling me that, but

1133
00:55:32.880 --> 00:55:36.000
I definitely wanted. It's like a deep depression for three days,

1134
00:55:36.639 --> 00:55:38.920
and like I just like sat and cried each morning

1135
00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:41.840
at my ancestor altar, like apologizing to my dog. And

1136
00:55:41.880 --> 00:55:43.639
I was like I should have taken you on more

1137
00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:45.239
hikes and I should have.

1138
00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:51.760
Done honestly, Okay, what if what if this is your

1139
00:55:51.800 --> 00:55:54.840
dog just manipulating you to like sit there and talk

1140
00:55:54.880 --> 00:55:55.079
to her.

1141
00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:57.480
Oh my god, maybe maybe she.

1142
00:55:59.119 --> 00:55:59.599
Was so sweet.

1143
00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:01.920
Want it's just some more attention.

1144
00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:06.159
I definitely like bought like salmon treats. I got like

1145
00:56:06.199 --> 00:56:08.679
a new toy for the altar. Like I was like

1146
00:56:08.760 --> 00:56:11.239
every day I'm getting you something.

1147
00:56:11.079 --> 00:56:17.400
Like I was gonna say, yeah, were your dog played you, dude?

1148
00:56:18.440 --> 00:56:23.079
No surprise there, right, my Pomeranian definitely does.

1149
00:56:25.440 --> 00:56:28.920
I feel like little dogs are the biggest game players.

1150
00:56:29.159 --> 00:56:30.960
Oh gosh, yeah.

1151
00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:36.280
Just like little demons, but so cute. It works every time.

1152
00:56:36.480 --> 00:56:37.519
Oh a thousand percent.

1153
00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:42.239
Yeah, yeah, that was a solid shuffle though.

1154
00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:44.960
Hey that's good. I'm so bad at shuffling.

1155
00:56:45.400 --> 00:56:47.000
I could never rough.

1156
00:56:47.880 --> 00:56:49.920
All right, I feel better about it.

1157
00:56:50.280 --> 00:56:56.159
You killed it, Okay, So I'll spread these out.

1158
00:56:56.639 --> 00:57:00.000
You guys, tell me kind of where.

1159
00:56:59.800 --> 00:57:04.079
To Okay, I would say, just right of center.

1160
00:57:05.199 --> 00:57:09.679
Would we get I cannot believe how frequently this card

1161
00:57:09.760 --> 00:57:10.440
is coming up.

1162
00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:12.719
Oh is this the death card? It is?

1163
00:57:12.840 --> 00:57:17.159
Oh my god, that's actually amazing. That is like, actually

1164
00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:18.320
so perfect for this.

1165
00:57:18.800 --> 00:57:19.679
It means rebirth.

1166
00:57:19.960 --> 00:57:23.559
Yes, yeah, it says death, but it means like death

1167
00:57:23.599 --> 00:57:27.320
of the olds, like to bring in the news for us.

1168
00:57:27.159 --> 00:57:31.280
Death of the white male fifth male led film industry,

1169
00:57:31.559 --> 00:57:35.599
and rebirth, yes, and not already.

1170
00:57:35.119 --> 00:57:37.159
Red ends right right.

1171
00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:39.400
It's like the first thing I thought when I saw that.

1172
00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:42.000
Well, so I pulled the death card once when I

1173
00:57:42.159 --> 00:57:46.360
was flying home. I was in Saudi Arabia, like this

1174
00:57:46.519 --> 00:57:49.039
prince had flown us out because he wanted to start

1175
00:57:49.039 --> 00:57:52.199
like a film studio there. And on the way home,

1176
00:57:52.239 --> 00:57:54.800
I was having anxiety about flying and I don't know why,

1177
00:57:54.920 --> 00:57:57.119
Like I fly quite a bit and I don't really care,

1178
00:57:57.239 --> 00:57:59.679
but I was having anxiety about it, and I decided

1179
00:57:59.719 --> 00:58:01.239
to like pull a card to see if it was

1180
00:58:01.239 --> 00:58:01.800
going to be okay.

1181
00:58:01.840 --> 00:58:04.719
And I pulled the death card and I was like,

1182
00:58:04.760 --> 00:58:05.320
that is not.

1183
00:58:05.360 --> 00:58:07.360
The card you want to see before getting on, asking

1184
00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:08.159
if you're gonna be okay.

1185
00:58:08.159 --> 00:58:10.360
I would be scared of that. No, that's that's kind

1186
00:58:10.360 --> 00:58:10.840
of intense.

1187
00:58:11.000 --> 00:58:14.239
Oh my god. Yeah, absolutely, but you were fine.

1188
00:58:14.639 --> 00:58:16.280
Spoiler alert, I didn't die.

1189
00:58:16.400 --> 00:58:17.079
No, I'm dead.

1190
00:58:19.000 --> 00:58:22.360
Maybe you're a ghost now I would explain so much.

1191
00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:27.119
Yeah, okay. So the only the only caveat is that

1192
00:58:27.159 --> 00:58:29.119
we did draw in the reverse, so it is going

1193
00:58:29.199 --> 00:58:32.639
to have a little bit different interpretations.

1194
00:58:33.159 --> 00:58:35.079
Oh okay, okay.

1195
00:58:35.199 --> 00:58:40.840
So your keywords for the death card are transformation, metamorphosis,

1196
00:58:41.440 --> 00:58:48.159
and ending, sacrifice, loss and rebirth. So I think we

1197
00:58:48.280 --> 00:58:51.719
all agree, we've already discussed it's a it's a positive

1198
00:58:51.760 --> 00:58:53.039
thing in this context.

1199
00:58:53.559 --> 00:58:54.679
How about in reverse.

1200
00:58:55.159 --> 00:58:58.559
I don't know about reverse. Well we'll make it positive.

1201
00:58:58.880 --> 00:58:59.679
We'll figure it out.

1202
00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:05.960
Dude, now I'm bringing out.

1203
00:59:06.920 --> 00:59:10.519
When this card appears reversed, it suggests you're putting off

1204
00:59:10.559 --> 00:59:15.480
making necessary changes, usually out of fear you're stuck in

1205
00:59:15.559 --> 00:59:19.119
old habit patterns you know need to be revised, but

1206
00:59:19.199 --> 00:59:21.679
you don't want to put forth the effort to alter them,

1207
00:59:22.159 --> 00:59:25.800
even though you're unhappy with the current situation. Oh, the

1208
00:59:25.880 --> 00:59:29.519
way out is to face up to your stagnation, frustration

1209
00:59:29.800 --> 00:59:34.519
and unhappiness, throw out the old and ring in the new.

1210
00:59:35.159 --> 00:59:35.880
Interesting.

1211
00:59:36.800 --> 00:59:39.599
Does that feel like it applies directly to you guys,

1212
00:59:39.800 --> 00:59:42.239
or just like the film industry that we were kind

1213
00:59:42.280 --> 00:59:43.159
of talking about.

1214
00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:47.400
Before, Yeah, because, like I think we're doing something like

1215
00:59:47.599 --> 00:59:50.199
very bold for both of us, And I would say, like,

1216
00:59:50.239 --> 00:59:52.519
are throwing out the old is like being reliant on

1217
00:59:52.559 --> 00:59:55.760
this like archaic system and trying to literally do something

1218
00:59:56.000 --> 01:00:00.360
new and have like a metamorphosis in rebirth. Like I

1219
01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:03.840
can't say that, Like I feel like that it's necessarily

1220
01:00:03.880 --> 01:00:05.519
true for this project.

1221
01:00:05.320 --> 01:00:09.039
Right, So maybe it means industry in general. I don't know.

1222
01:00:09.480 --> 01:00:12.920
Yeah, I feel like in some readings you do get

1223
01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:16.679
sort of a sense of a card and the meaning

1224
01:00:17.039 --> 01:00:21.840
being more related to even like a period of the

1225
01:00:21.880 --> 01:00:27.360
past in relation to your kind of your question or

1226
01:00:27.400 --> 01:00:28.639
the situation.

1227
01:00:29.320 --> 01:00:32.920
Like that could apply directly just to your your story

1228
01:00:33.199 --> 01:00:36.079
of what happened to you and how you kind of

1229
01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:37.960
turned it into something more relative.

1230
01:00:38.119 --> 01:00:41.239
Yeah, I do feel as though this is kind of

1231
01:00:41.559 --> 01:00:45.000
our deck being a little bit smart assy, because it's like,

1232
01:00:46.159 --> 01:00:48.679
doesn't feel like you're directly answering our question.

1233
01:00:49.280 --> 01:00:53.800
Right, I think it kind of is. Yeah, I think

1234
01:00:53.800 --> 01:00:54.440
it kind of is.

1235
01:00:54.719 --> 01:00:56.719
Yeah, I think it's kind of true because we have

1236
01:00:56.840 --> 01:00:59.199
to make sacrifices and stuff for this project.

1237
01:00:59.280 --> 01:01:00.679
So I think I think what it.

1238
01:01:00.639 --> 01:01:03.159
Says it applies because it's like it takes a lot

1239
01:01:03.159 --> 01:01:06.639
of sacrifice and energy and work and yeah, so I

1240
01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:09.920
think I think I think it fits for a situation

1241
01:01:10.679 --> 01:01:11.719
basically true.

1242
01:01:12.039 --> 01:01:12.639
Yeah.

1243
01:01:12.760 --> 01:01:16.519
I do also find it really interesting. This is in

1244
01:01:17.239 --> 01:01:20.679
the major arcana. This is the thirteenth card.

1245
01:01:21.760 --> 01:01:25.280
Oh today was part of the thirteenth Yes.

1246
01:01:25.400 --> 01:01:28.239
Yeah, that's so funny too, because I wrote down thirteen

1247
01:01:28.320 --> 01:01:30.239
questions for you guys, and I had twelve, and I

1248
01:01:30.280 --> 01:01:31.719
was like, man, I need to think of one more

1249
01:01:31.840 --> 01:01:34.239
just to like make it an even like thirteen.

1250
01:01:35.599 --> 01:01:36.679
And even thirteen.

1251
01:01:37.360 --> 01:01:39.840
Oh my god, that's rics.

1252
01:01:39.920 --> 01:01:42.599
I love you spooky ladies.

1253
01:01:43.599 --> 01:01:47.519
Yeah right right, that's a really good name for our

1254
01:01:47.559 --> 01:01:48.480
production company.

1255
01:01:48.519 --> 01:01:51.639
And even thirteen Yeah, no podcast.

1256
01:01:51.199 --> 01:01:54.920
And Even thirteen Oh yeah, I love it?

1257
01:01:55.639 --> 01:01:57.400
Are we starting another podcast?

1258
01:01:58.440 --> 01:02:03.199
This is this is first episode of an Even thirteen

1259
01:02:03.679 --> 01:02:05.159
I'm spin off.

1260
01:02:05.920 --> 01:02:08.320
I'm gonna lie I dig the name.

1261
01:02:09.199 --> 01:02:11.480
So what I was gonna say is that I feel

1262
01:02:11.519 --> 01:02:15.239
like with the interpretation and where it's saying, you know,

1263
01:02:15.320 --> 01:02:18.039
the way out is to face up to your stagnation

1264
01:02:18.360 --> 01:02:21.000
and kind of as it goes on there, I feel

1265
01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:24.559
like this also can be kind of warning against maybe

1266
01:02:24.719 --> 01:02:28.679
falling back into old habit patterns as you move forward,

1267
01:02:29.559 --> 01:02:32.760
So it may not be that you're actively doing that.

1268
01:02:32.960 --> 01:02:34.599
Yeah, that's true. That's true.

1269
01:02:34.719 --> 01:02:35.519
That is true.

1270
01:02:35.960 --> 01:02:38.760
Yeah, because actually we have to pull off like new

1271
01:02:38.800 --> 01:02:42.320
ways to be able to make this movie because like

1272
01:02:42.400 --> 01:02:45.119
old habits doesn't work, we have to pull off new things.

1273
01:02:45.679 --> 01:02:47.599
That's how I understand this.

1274
01:02:48.000 --> 01:02:52.599
That's really true, because like that's exactly it. And it's

1275
01:02:52.599 --> 01:02:55.360
funny because, like, you know, my dream for making this

1276
01:02:55.480 --> 01:02:59.320
kind of anti capitalistic thing has been like burning bright.

1277
01:02:59.400 --> 01:03:01.920
And I was talking to this girl who came to

1278
01:03:01.920 --> 01:03:06.360
stay with me during the LA fires, like I lived

1279
01:03:06.360 --> 01:03:08.559
like a couple hours from LA and she was looking

1280
01:03:08.599 --> 01:03:10.400
for a place to go just because she has like

1281
01:03:10.480 --> 01:03:13.920
asthma and like whatever, air quality was better here. And

1282
01:03:14.000 --> 01:03:16.880
she actually works in film, like she works as an actress,

1283
01:03:17.480 --> 01:03:21.360
and I was like telling her about the idea and

1284
01:03:22.599 --> 01:03:25.000
she was like really into it, and so I was like, like,

1285
01:03:25.079 --> 01:03:26.960
I want to create a system where like the producers

1286
01:03:27.000 --> 01:03:28.719
aren't making so much more, and she's like, yeah, but

1287
01:03:28.800 --> 01:03:30.559
like if you pay yourself out a lot of money,

1288
01:03:30.639 --> 01:03:33.360
then you can hire more people. And she was doing

1289
01:03:33.440 --> 01:03:36.639
this very like Elon Musk like style argument for like

1290
01:03:36.679 --> 01:03:39.480
the trickle down like economics, and I was like, no.

1291
01:03:39.519 --> 01:03:40.800
Like this is how I stop it.

1292
01:03:40.840 --> 01:03:43.760
Like the production company gets to pay more people a

1293
01:03:43.760 --> 01:03:47.599
better wage because I'm paying myself less, and like it's

1294
01:03:47.599 --> 01:03:50.159
something that like I get. It's like kind of you know,

1295
01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:52.599
if we had money coming in, it's more difficult to

1296
01:03:52.679 --> 01:03:55.000
like actually abide by that and say, no, I'm going

1297
01:03:55.079 --> 01:03:58.320
to like pay myself a living wage, but not some

1298
01:03:58.360 --> 01:04:00.320
excessive amount to where we can't pay the rest of

1299
01:04:00.320 --> 01:04:03.679
our team, which is something I really really believe in

1300
01:04:04.480 --> 01:04:07.360
because like just reading statistics about like what CEOs and

1301
01:04:07.400 --> 01:04:10.280
stuff used to make twenty years ago, they made about

1302
01:04:10.400 --> 01:04:13.880
double what they're like average employee made right, and now

1303
01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:17.480
they make like twenty one hundred times like whatever that

1304
01:04:17.679 --> 01:04:20.199
and it's like why it just doesn't make any sense

1305
01:04:20.239 --> 01:04:23.480
and yeah, yeah, and that's like that's why we have

1306
01:04:23.639 --> 01:04:26.480
this income disparity that we do now in the US.

1307
01:04:27.079 --> 01:04:29.960
It's because like they're keeping so much more for themselves,

1308
01:04:29.960 --> 01:04:32.519
so like it's tempting to want to do that. Clearly

1309
01:04:32.559 --> 01:04:35.400
it's working, you know, like I get it right, like right,

1310
01:04:35.679 --> 01:04:38.800
but like somebody, like people have to like stop it,

1311
01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:40.079
like somebody has to stop it.

1312
01:04:40.119 --> 01:04:41.800
And I was like, I'll be a person who stops that,

1313
01:04:42.159 --> 01:04:44.440
which is hard. I'm a tourist. I like luxury.

1314
01:04:44.679 --> 01:04:51.360
Yeah, but it's like same girl, right, right, But I

1315
01:04:51.400 --> 01:04:54.480
think that, you know, the argument really to be had

1316
01:04:54.639 --> 01:04:58.280
is not like should we all, you know, give up

1317
01:04:58.320 --> 01:05:02.039
all of our worldly possessions and you know, join a monastery.

1318
01:05:02.079 --> 01:05:06.639
It's more about, like we can all have some luxuries

1319
01:05:08.199 --> 01:05:13.079
so long as nobody's bow guarding everything.

1320
01:05:13.280 --> 01:05:13.719
Exactly.

1321
01:05:14.639 --> 01:05:17.360
It has to be a little bit more a military.

1322
01:05:16.960 --> 01:05:19.199
As long as like you don't have like a smaller

1323
01:05:19.320 --> 01:05:22.239
yacht to follow your mega yacht, because your mega yacht

1324
01:05:22.239 --> 01:05:25.840
can't like everything that you need for your supplies while

1325
01:05:25.840 --> 01:05:27.599
on your mega yacht death basis.

1326
01:05:29.679 --> 01:05:32.519
I do think it's reasonable to maybe, you know, like

1327
01:05:32.679 --> 01:05:33.320
one yacht.

1328
01:05:33.559 --> 01:05:38.920
Okay, guys, guys, I think I think the death guard

1329
01:05:39.039 --> 01:05:40.960
is telling us we can only have one yacht.

1330
01:05:43.239 --> 01:05:45.800
And you know what, I, for one have made my

1331
01:05:45.840 --> 01:05:46.360
peace with that.

1332
01:05:46.760 --> 01:05:54.760
So man, it's not going to be easy, but you know,

1333
01:05:54.840 --> 01:05:56.159
I'm willing to do my part.

1334
01:05:58.559 --> 01:06:00.719
But yeah, I actually, I actually think it has a

1335
01:06:00.719 --> 01:06:04.559
positive meaning to leave behind the past and revert to

1336
01:06:04.639 --> 01:06:07.760
do things differently than before and a big change.

1337
01:06:07.800 --> 01:06:08.679
Basically, yeah, it.

1338
01:06:08.719 --> 01:06:11.360
Was perfect, right. I loved that.

1339
01:06:13.039 --> 01:06:16.400
She was at first, but she's like, Okay, okay, you

1340
01:06:16.440 --> 01:06:18.360
guys get it way around death card.

1341
01:06:18.960 --> 01:06:21.360
Like, if you can spin the death card positive, you

1342
01:06:21.760 --> 01:06:22.079
got this.

1343
01:06:22.360 --> 01:06:22.559
Yeah.

1344
01:06:23.480 --> 01:06:27.480
Really, how do you know if the death card has

1345
01:06:27.519 --> 01:06:28.960
a positive or negative meaning?

1346
01:06:29.159 --> 01:06:31.960
I think it's it's really just based on like, I

1347
01:06:32.480 --> 01:06:35.079
think it's based on your feeling really when you're pulling

1348
01:06:35.119 --> 01:06:38.079
the card. But generally, to me, the death card means

1349
01:06:38.239 --> 01:06:42.880
it's very positive. To me, that's that's just how I

1350
01:06:42.920 --> 01:06:44.679
feel about it. But I don't know how everyone else

1351
01:06:44.719 --> 01:06:45.400
feels about it.

1352
01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:50.360
Yeah, Oddly, I think the death card is probably not

1353
01:06:50.960 --> 01:06:54.800
the scariest in the deck. I think the Tower is

1354
01:06:54.840 --> 01:06:57.840
the one that really that's that's a little bit chaos.

1355
01:06:57.840 --> 01:07:00.480
It's a little bit more difficult to put a spin on.

1356
01:07:01.320 --> 01:07:02.800
It's a it's a little intense.

1357
01:07:03.000 --> 01:07:04.199
Oh thank god we didn't know.

1358
01:07:04.440 --> 01:07:09.079
Yeah, we don't need chaos.

1359
01:07:09.119 --> 01:07:11.719
I can spin that one positive too, like you need

1360
01:07:11.760 --> 01:07:14.599
to totally break down your life and have chaos to

1361
01:07:14.760 --> 01:07:16.840
like rebuild something so much better.

1362
01:07:16.960 --> 01:07:18.480
So that's what I see the Tower card.

1363
01:07:18.719 --> 01:07:22.480
Yeah, which I understand the argument in principle, but you

1364
01:07:22.519 --> 01:07:25.039
don't want to go through it, thank you, Like you

1365
01:07:25.199 --> 01:07:27.239
have to go through it, but you don't like necessarily

1366
01:07:27.280 --> 01:07:27.679
want to.

1367
01:07:27.960 --> 01:07:33.880
Yeah, right, But for anybody that likes Taro, there will

1368
01:07:33.920 --> 01:07:36.280
be like a tarot reference in our movie.

1369
01:07:36.320 --> 01:07:38.599
Of course they're in a reading room for like most

1370
01:07:38.639 --> 01:07:38.800
of it.

1371
01:07:39.559 --> 01:07:42.239
But also my nibbling that I mentioned earlier that went

1372
01:07:42.280 --> 01:07:44.840
on the ghost tour with me is a very good

1373
01:07:44.920 --> 01:07:48.559
artist and they're designing us a custom tarot deck that

1374
01:07:48.559 --> 01:07:51.800
will be used in the movie will also be Uh

1375
01:07:52.000 --> 01:07:54.559
it's a perk too in our indiegg that you can

1376
01:07:55.360 --> 01:07:58.639
get the custom made tarot deck used in vessel.

1377
01:07:58.599 --> 01:08:01.559
H Yes, and it's kind of ghosty and stuff.

1378
01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:05.719
Okay, so that's a perk that we're doing to.

1379
01:08:08.719 --> 01:08:11.719
It's a really cool one, it is, it is indeed.

1380
01:08:11.960 --> 01:08:13.880
Yeah, the cards are going to be amazing.

1381
01:08:13.960 --> 01:08:15.400
Oh, I'm so excited.

1382
01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:20.479
So the movies coming out projected for Halloween, we want

1383
01:08:20.479 --> 01:08:24.880
to release around Halloween just because OVS. But the Tarot deck,

1384
01:08:26.319 --> 01:08:28.800
you know, we'll probably be able to get that out

1385
01:08:28.880 --> 01:08:31.079
a bit sooner. We might be able to get that

1386
01:08:31.199 --> 01:08:35.279
out close to the time that our indiegog ends, which

1387
01:08:35.319 --> 01:08:38.600
I think is like in is that in July, Fanny

1388
01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:42.840
M Yeah, I think it might be like a week

1389
01:08:42.960 --> 01:08:45.880
or two after that. It's like maybe like August we

1390
01:08:45.920 --> 01:08:49.279
can get those shipped. Clay's almost undesigning them. I think

1391
01:08:49.279 --> 01:08:52.119
they're on like like I think there's seventy two cards

1392
01:08:52.119 --> 01:08:52.520
in a deck?

1393
01:08:52.640 --> 01:08:54.199
Is that right around there?

1394
01:08:54.319 --> 01:08:56.239
Seventy seventy eight, So I think they're like in the

1395
01:08:56.279 --> 01:08:59.680
fifties for designing cards, Like they're they're getting there. They

1396
01:08:59.680 --> 01:09:02.640
look at amazing, They're so cute. There's some like very

1397
01:09:02.680 --> 01:09:06.840
special ones. There's also references to like people in our lives,

1398
01:09:06.960 --> 01:09:09.840
like my grandma speaks to me a lot, which is

1399
01:09:09.880 --> 01:09:10.680
why I set her.

1400
01:09:10.720 --> 01:09:12.279
I set up an ancestor altar.

1401
01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:17.039
I had like gotten a reading done with an oracle

1402
01:09:17.119 --> 01:09:19.680
deck like with a friend, and they pulled something that

1403
01:09:19.760 --> 01:09:23.760
was like wild rose, and the name like the name

1404
01:09:23.840 --> 01:09:26.359
hadn't like meant anything to me when she first said it,

1405
01:09:26.399 --> 01:09:28.359
I was just like, oh, wild Rose, that sounds cute whatever,

1406
01:09:28.359 --> 01:09:30.479
And she's like, I think someone's like trying to talk

1407
01:09:30.520 --> 01:09:33.319
to you through this card. Does the name Rose mean

1408
01:09:33.359 --> 01:09:35.760
anything to you? And my grandma's middle name was Rose

1409
01:09:36.760 --> 01:09:40.039
and her name was Edith Rose, and she hated her

1410
01:09:40.079 --> 01:09:42.920
middle name, and like it was like a joke like

1411
01:09:42.960 --> 01:09:45.760
in our family, everyone would always get her roses and

1412
01:09:45.880 --> 01:09:49.239
like whatever. So like I think she like liked it

1413
01:09:49.239 --> 01:09:51.159
in like a cute, like playful way. I don't think

1414
01:09:51.239 --> 01:09:53.479
she actually hated it, but it was like always this joke.

1415
01:09:53.880 --> 01:09:56.800
But she like always leaves me like roses and whatever.

1416
01:09:56.840 --> 01:09:58.960
It's like let me know that she's communicating with me.

1417
01:09:59.520 --> 01:10:01.800
So there's a rose and the deck that represents my

1418
01:10:01.880 --> 01:10:04.119
grandma on like we have all these like cute things

1419
01:10:04.199 --> 01:10:07.600
os gat Yeah.

1420
01:10:06.560 --> 01:10:09.960
Well, does anyone have any like any any last any

1421
01:10:10.000 --> 01:10:12.600
final words anything else that you want to throw out

1422
01:10:12.600 --> 01:10:14.640
to people that you haven't got to say yet.

1423
01:10:15.840 --> 01:10:19.680
Now, I guess just you know, we so appreciate everyone's support.

1424
01:10:19.760 --> 01:10:23.520
If you're curious and learning more about the project, we

1425
01:10:23.560 --> 01:10:27.920
do have our social medias, which are at bad Witch's Productions,

1426
01:10:28.000 --> 01:10:33.079
on TikTok and on Instagram. You can find our website

1427
01:10:33.079 --> 01:10:36.159
bagwitches dot com and there's a section for Vessel there.

1428
01:10:37.479 --> 01:10:40.359
You can find our Indiego go also just by looking

1429
01:10:40.479 --> 01:10:44.199
up Indiegogo and Vessel and it'll pop up. And we

1430
01:10:44.239 --> 01:10:48.000
so appreciate your time and attention and we can't wait

1431
01:10:48.039 --> 01:10:49.399
to share this movie with y'all.

1432
01:10:50.000 --> 01:10:54.079
Yes, I am. I'm so excited, so excited.

1433
01:10:54.880 --> 01:10:58.520
I'm super excited for my new tarot deck, which will

1434
01:10:58.520 --> 01:11:01.840
make it a lot easier to wait for the movie right.

1435
01:11:03.720 --> 01:11:11.680
Absolutely day, amazing fun.

1436
01:11:13.079 --> 01:11:14.039
It was way more.

1437
01:11:13.880 --> 01:11:14.800
Fun than it usually.

1438
01:11:16.920 --> 01:11:17.760
Brilliant idea.

1439
01:11:18.039 --> 01:11:28.800
I mean, Cassie, I need to go run and grab

1440
01:11:28.880 --> 01:11:31.159
a tissue for your issues.

1441
01:11:32.000 --> 01:11:38.000
Yeah that's my co host, famously witty.

1442
01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:41.800
I'm so smart.