Haunted Port Townsend: Ghosts of Manresa Castle | Espooky Tales

0:00 At least it didn't like crawl in the covers next to her though. Maybe it was trying to be respectful but also like wanted to be fun. That sounds horrifying. Oh my god. I don't care. I can't. I can't. No. I wouldn't buy a little kid to cuddle with me. Take it back! Oh my god. This is why you slept on the couch. It's a big nope. It just needs love. Oh my god. You're a mother. I don't care. Not to a ghost baby. I'm a mothering ghost children. Fuck them. Fuck them kids. I got you. I got you guys. Hi Caitlyn. Hi Cassie. Hi creepy people. Hello. Also wait. We forgot to say hi to somebody. Hi Cristina.

0:53 Oh hi again. She's back. She hasn't left. She's been with us the entire time. I actually just moved in. Yeah. Right after we got back from the lighthouse, I got my bag and I walked in. Yeah. So you know get ready for the third co-host on PNW Haunts and Homicides. We've added another. Yeah. It won't be confusing at all because it's obviously Cassie, Caitlyn, Cristina, very easy. Like what could go wrong? Right. I can bumping her mic. That could go wrong. Dump up it more. Well, this is PNW Haunts and Homicides. Whoops.

1:34 Where we chat about true crime, the paranormal and all things spooky in the Pacific Northwest. We also do a tarot reading at the end of every episode so that we can get a little bit of deeper insight into our topic. So stick around if you are into that. Are you into it Cristina? You know it. You know it. She is into it. We do know it. We tested her already. She's cool. Well, so do you guys remember that little trip that we took not that long ago? Wait, what trip? Did we go to a lighthouse? We did. We went to Port Townsend Washington. Oh, I must have blacked out for a minute because like just all the driving.

2:19 Well, hopefully they remember it. You blacked out while you were driving? Not while I was driving. Okay, good. No, I think part of me wanted to definitely black out parts of that trip though because it was such a long drive. Yeah, yeah. If felt like the longest drive ever. Well, I know. I know. We both mapped and came up with like a fucking nature guy. Eventually I just turned on other podcasts and like music and I was like, I don't fucking care if it keeps you awake. It didn't. I know. She was driving.

2:59 I'm one of those people that can fall asleep anywhere. It's true. I wonder what that's like. It's awesome. It is. I'll never know. Yeah, so we went on this trip to Port Townsend Washington which is like super haunted and we talked about the lighthouse already and the keeper's duplex, but we're also going to talk about another place that we visited while we were there. Who likes castles, you guys? I love a castle. Me too. Me too. I'm just like looking at each of you to answer me. It's a real trifecta. Well, luckily for us in all of you there is a castle in Port Townsend Washington.

3:44 That there is. In 1892, an innovative, innovative, innovative, innovative, innovative, innovative. In 1892, an innovative, luxurious, three story, 30 room, family home was finished for Charles and Kate Eisenbeis. I'm sorry, a 30 room, family home. Just a casual. Can you guys picture how many broadcast studios you could have? Oh my god. Yeah. I'm just thinking about like, that's a lot of pressure for Kate at the family home. I didn't write this down, but I think that originally they did want it to be like a hotel, but things weren't working out.

4:29 So they just made it their home. Okay. Okay. I mean, it was kind of fuzzy information, so I don't really leave it in, but I'm just going to say it for you guys now. Just not really sure of the facts. I like it. Take it. Take it. She will. You know, go find my sources. Okay. But if this was a year earlier, so in 1891, it would have been Charles and Elizabeth's family home. Oh. Elizabeth Charles's first wife, unfortunately, passed away before the house was finished. And he very quickly, it seems, took a new wife.

5:10 Yeah. I don't like the way I put that one. I just took a new wife. I like to think that she had a saying that's what you think. And then maybe she didn't have a saying, but wow, a year later. Yeah. That's, yeah. I think either way, Cristina makes a good point. It's that's a year later. Okay. After your whole ass wife dies. Well, the entire wife. Yeah. The entirety of your wife. Wow. You have to move on at some point. Yeah. Although that's a fast. I don't know. It's also quick. I like, I don't know where he found the time to date because like in today's world, he had many side hustles.

5:55 Oh, we can all relate, I think. Side hustle king. Okay. He had a bakery, a brewery, a brick factory, a bank, and that's a lot of b's. Yeah. Quite a lot. He also had a lumber mill. He had another hotel. And he also, I also heard he had a podcast. So, wow. Well, that's pretty cool. Was it about fight hustling? Yeah. His podcast was about having a bakery, a brewery, a brick factory, and a bank. It was called B-squared. Was it about diversifying your income streams? Yes. Exactly. It would have had to offend. Obviously, right? Yup.

6:35 He was an expert. Clearly. Oh, yeah. And he was the town's first mayor. What the hell? What did he not do? That's my question. Nothing. He did not do nothing. He did it all. Anyway, back to the big old house. So, actually, because it was so huge, and it had turrets and towers, modeled after European castles, people referred to it as the Eisenbeis castle. Oh. Okay. It's very castle-like. We saw. We did. Yeah. Charles got a great 10 years with his castle before he passed.

7:17 Then, within a few years, it was abandoned to only per see the caretaker, when Kate remarried and promptly vacated the premises. Oh. Oh. Interesting. There's a lot of dying and remarrying in this story. Yeah. So, about 20 years later, and this is kind of weird, you guys? An attorney from Seattle bought the castle. Any guesses on what he planned to do with it? Something weird. Something kind of weird, I think. Okay. So, keep in mind, he's an attorney. Okay. Okay. A prison.

7:57 Maybe close? I don't know. Wait, what? So, he wanted to use it as a vacation destination for nuns? That is very random. He's an attorney. He bought this castle for vacation for nuns. That's a very niche plan for a rental property. How profitable is that you'll find out he clearly wasn't taking lessons. He was not listening to Mr. Eisenbeis' podcast about profitable income streams. That's exactly what it was.

8:39 Yeah. So, he thought there were so many nuns teaching in Seattle, and you know, they work really hard. Okay. And he thought, you know, maybe they just wanted a little nun fun. You have a nun fun. A nun fun. A nun fun. They needed a little vacation spot. And I don't know about you guys, but I'm getting a real, like, sister act vibe from the past. Yeah. Have you guys seen that? Yeah. So, I grew up on that movie. It's good stuff. I've only seen it in Spanish because it was on Telemundo, like, as a rerun, a lot. Oh, that's so cool, though. It's such a good movie. But, like, they get up to some shenanigans.

9:21 So, I feel like that's what the nuns would do in this castle. Shenanigans. Shenanigans. Shenanigans. Anywho. As totally awesome as that all sounded, apparently the nuns just didn't want to hang and do they even take vacations? Right. I feel like they're just always serving the Lord. They're not trying for vacations. As one does. Yeah. As one does. They said, no vacation. Thanks. And he had to sell the castle to some Jesuit priests. Because they like to party, you know, you know, they do. That is what they're known for. Yeah.

10:01 It wasn't a vacation spot for them, though. I'll tell you what they did with it. They used it as a training college. Oh, boy. Train more Jesuits. Oh. Okay. And they made some upgrades. They gave her a new name. Manresahal. Oh. Named after a city in Barcelona, Spain. Oh, Barcelona. Thank you. I was going to be the actual-- I was going to be the actual-- Right. I’m using a Spanish accent because they don't say-- I would say Barcelona normally, but they're like, oh, Barcelona. Barcelona. It's like with a TH. Yeah. I'm so bad at it. I'm so glad you're here for this. [LAUGHTER] Where?

10:43 St. Ignatius of Loyola. Loyola? Oh, yeah. Loyola. Loyola. Super long story short. But he basically came up with the foundations for the Society of Jesus, aka the Jesuits. I literally fell down the deepest fucking rabbit hole with this dude. And I called him a dude bro in here. I don't know why. But I feel like I get like dude bro vibes from him. That makes sense. It'll make more sense. But I'm going to have-- Okay. You say his real giving name for me because I'm going to just butcher it. Okay. So you're getting dude bro vibes from Íñigo López de Oñaz y Loyola?

11:27 Yes. Okay. I'm not getting dude bro vibes from the name alone. You'll see why. Okay. But also, when I saw his name, I thought of my name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Oh. I love that movie. And I did not realize that that was Mandy Patinkin from Criminal Minds. Oh. Yes. Yeah. I didn't know that was him until like two years ago. And I was like, oh my god. I figured that out too. I love him even more now. Yeah. I love him even more now. I always loved him. That explains a lot. Yeah. Wow. Okay. I love you guys for getting my references because like not a lot of people like that movie.

12:12 What the fuck? That's the best movie ever. I know. Have you guys read the book? No. Oh. So good, even funnier. They're both amazing. You know people are like, oh, the book is better than the movie or the movie with a bit in the book. Like, no, these are on par with each other. Oh my god. I have to read it now. You do. It's my, I have Libby. I'm going to borrow it from the library. They have it. There you go. I love Libby. I'm obsessed. Libby is the queen. I don't need to buy books anymore. I just get them from Libby. Unless I'm too excited. I'm not going to be impatient to wait that I'm not my audible. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. But I'm going to tell you about the dude, bro. Yeah, tell us about Íñigo. Montoya. No, that one.

12:52 What's the thing you want to do? Something lo yola. Something something something lo yola. Delo yola. La llorona. Sorry. Go on. Oh, I just had it. I was like, no. She was a nun, right? Or no. That was in that that, uh, uh, condering one of the condering world movies. I'm thinking of where there was like a creepy nun. There was a creepy nun in, yeah. I don't know why you get them confused. The nun. You mean the nun. Yeah. The movie the nun. I'm like, it's called it's the, you know, one of those movie literally called the nun. The one that's called the nun. Oh, boy. So he created the Jesuits and then became its first superior general.

13:37 Like superior general. Seriously. I mean, I didn't know they had that term. Right. I guess they have to like order their ranks in some manner. So I guess, but to like call it something like that. It's just a little over the top. It is. But then as I'm falling down this man's Wikipedia rabbit hole. I see his military career. Oh, okay. Oh, the starting to make sense. So I guess he was a page. And I'm going to quote Wikipedia here because I didn't obviously I didn't deep dive on this because like who has the fucking time. So I just, I just read the Wikipedia page.

14:17 Okay. Don't at me or whatever people say. But I couldn't not talk about it because it's crazy. Okay. Quote. In Yiga took a dancing, fencing, gambling the pursuit of young lady. And dueling. Okay. More dueling. We just talk about dueling. Okay. The Cheeto duels. Yeah. But he wasn't like a Jesuit priest himself, right? Not at this time. He was, he was a page. I don't know. Whatever that means. I think it's like an assistant to like someone in the military. I don't know if they're on tele guards. Oh, so okay. I mean, a page boy. They have to be some sort of assistant to like something.

14:57 Yeah. I was going to say, so I'm like learning how to be so they don't adhere to like religious. I just don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. Like 30 rock orders. I don't think so. The page boys in 30 rock. It's like they're the, you know, they, they're kind of the go for. Yeah. Kind of like that. So it's like he wanted to be a soldier. But he like was just an assistant. He was a sister. He was a sister to the regional manager. Okay. Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay. The quote goes on to say, "Íñigo was keen on military exercises and was driven by desire for fame."

15:41 He patterned his life after tales of romantic shibori. Oh, it just doesn't sound very like Jesuit. It's pretty slight to me. It doesn't sound. Well, interesting. The people that make up religions, you know, who are they really? Okay. 40 years later, and my tangent is over. And so is the Jesuits hold on Manresa Hall. Oh. Okay. It was sold and turned into a hotel and renamed Manresa Castle to honor both previous names. So they just merged them together.

16:24 They have kept up with renovations of the historic building and thankfully upgraded from three bathrooms. Oh, boy. To 43. Wow. Three bathrooms. It has three bathrooms and all of those Jesuits men were living. Wow. That's insane. They're probably just peeing everywhere. Oh, my God. Do you see why I get dude bro vibes from now? Yeah. I see it now. It's kind of a frat bro of a vibe. Yikes. Okay. You guys ready for the hauntings? Uh, you know it. Are we, oh, we're talking about that this time?

17:05 Yes. We are. Okay. So it Manresa Castle. There's reports of doors opening and closing on their own. Dogs barking in the background of a podcast. Molly, we know. There have been reports of doors opening and closing on their own. Doors locking and unlocking in vacant rooms. And I don't like that. Banging and tapping on the walls. Okay. Well, that could be the wind. Yeah. It's an old building. You don't know it. Yeah.

17:45 And unlocking, though, I don't. That's interesting because it is a motel too. So like, I don't know. Did she use an actual key when she let us in? Or was it like the cards? A key. I was at the gym. And she was like, I don't know. That's a little bit of a spoiler alert. Yeah. We'll talk about that later. People hear whispers or covers being pulled off while they attempt to sleep. You might even get a little strokey stroke on your back from an unseen hand. That's horrible. That's the worst thing I've ever heard. They're just, you know, they're just, uh, what's that called? Consoling you, making you feel comfortable. No, I don't even like when people like, you know, like sometimes older people will like rub your back like, oh, how are you doing today?

18:28 I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. You know, like sometimes older people will like rub your back like, oh, how are you doing today? I don't know. "Oh, how are you doing today? I hate that one I was pregnant and people wanted to touch my teeth." "Oh, that's the worst." Like, "Don't fucking touch me. So if a ghost says it, I would throw up, no." Okay, listen. I realize that no, you know what? I'm only cleaning up vomit ones today. Okay. That's, I'm not going into the story. Okay. That's my limit. I mean, I'll clean it up, but I will throw up if a ghost touches me like, thankfully I don't think the ghosts came home with us. I don't think. I don't know.

19:14 Technology problems might say otherwise, but I know. That was a mess. Yeah. The old apartment though, like, you would, you would not believe. It was insane. How much a weird stuff we had happened there all the time. The smoke detector. How did we know that you were going to say that time? I love that. You finish eachothers shadwitches. She’s one of us! In the banquet hall, which used to be a chapel, probably from the Jesuits. Glass has spontaneously and unexplainably exploded in a server's hand.

20:01 So like, she's like holding it and it just was that like a Hulk smash, Hulk smash. Oh, what is that? She's Hulk smashing. I don't know. That gesture could be a lot of things. That's pretty weird. Yeah. And sometimes they would set up glasses on the table only to return and find them upside down, which is kind of like that's kind of how you should set a table, though. Like, you should put the glasses upside down so they don't collect dust and bugs. Yeah. Yeah. So maybe the ghost is just trying to help out. I mean, I do this. Yes. If you're leaving glasses there overnight, but like, normally at a restaurant, if you set a table, isn't someone about to be seated? You don't know what you're talking about, Caitlyn. Okay. Oh, I understood this as putting the glasses away for the night. Yeah.

20:57 And this is like setting up a table. Okay. No, I agree. Why would they flip them? Yeah. Down. You want them up because they're about to arrive. The guests. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if you're a ghost. Like, do you know that there's guests coming? Maybe you don't know. And you're just like, why would they leave these glasses? Or first day as a ghost? They just thought it was funny. Yeah. That'd be that. It could be a lot of reasons. We don't know. It could be a lot of things. How many times do we say we don't know? We don't know. I don't know. Yeah. Employees and guests have reported a strong presence or feeling of being watched. I don't like it. I could do without it.

21:39 Preferably. There are legends of two specific ghosts. Although these stories have no official records to back them up, they were even in the hotel's guest services directory at one point. Oh. But I don't think that's the case anymore. I did read that there used to also be a log book with all of the hauntings kind of like, uh, mic minimons. Oh, that's cool. But apparently, it's not there anymore because people kept asking to change rooms. So I think they they got rid of any evidence of like, hauntings in the place. Oh, man. How cool would it have been to see that? I guess maybe we should have asked, but I just like assumed that it was gone because of what the internet was saying. So I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. I think it sounds like they were really trying to erase anything. But they can't erase. You know what he means? Zak Bagans. No, they can't. No one can bagel bites. Yeah. He lives in infamy. Okay. Charles and Kate might still be there.

22:48 You know, the original. Oh, yeah. Who's Charles and Kate? Yeah. I'm in the room. As in the royal family. Yes. Oh my god. I put that together. Yeah. The figure of a woman believed to be Kate was caught in a photo in the dining room. Oh. As well as their granddaughter Lotta. She passed at the age of 13. Oh, people also see and hear a cat on the third floor. Well, it's the cat I was talking about. But there's no cat on the property. So it doesn't make any sense that people would see a cat. And where it's at, I don't know if there would be like a lot of straight. It's not like in a neighborhood.

23:30 Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't make sense. Yeah. Okay. Do you guys remember Mary from the Olympic Peninsula Paranormal Society that I talked to on the phone? Yeah. For a prior to our visit. Yeah. Of goods. So obviously they investigated Manresa as well. Because they've investigated all over the dang place. Oh. All over the Olympic Peninsula. Yeah. I almost said an Olympic Peninsula. I mean, you know, potato, potato. Why does that sound easier coming out of my mouth? An Olympic peninsula? No, it's what it is. Yeah. What are you going to do? So Mary's team caught an EVP of the cat meowing, which is kind of cool. Because like how do you get a random cat meowing oil?

24:22 Yeah. Yeah. Unless like I'm in the group in the background, like thinking I see a cat and I'm like, or it's me and I'm saying right now. Right now. And that's what they heard. Yeah. They also caught EVPs of a woman speaking German. Mm. Miss Eisenbeis. You know, a Germanish name. Sounds very German. Yeah. In room 306, lights flicker and the TV turns on and off. Oh. cabinets and drawers have been found left open. And guests have noticed their stuff is just slightly moved, even though no one else has been in the room. So obviously they would see if like housekeepers had been in there and they'd up. There wasn't any. So like there's no explanation for why things are just moved like a little bit, you know, which is a firework. That's what I would do. Yeah. I just mess with people a little bit make them question themselves. Yeah. Make them think there's a frog around actually gaslight people. Yeah. It sounds very fun. Some people smell strong perfume.

25:38 Described as old. Okay. So like an old lady's perfume is like, oh, okay. I was looking old perfume and I was like, how do you know it's gone stale? Yeah. Yeah. It's like it's the bottle turn colors. Yeah. And so does the perfume. So not stale perfume, but like old-timey perfume. Like this isn't like a Britney Spears perfume. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Probably very flowery. Yeah. Yeah. Rosewater. People have caught the impression of someone sitting on the bed. Ew. Or hear a woman singing in the bathroom. More ew. So she's just singing in the shower or she's sitting next to you on your bed. Uh no. Some have even seen the apparition of a woman with long dark hair, wearing a white gown. Oh. Because of course she is. We needed a lady in white. A lady in white. Yeah. Oh boy. Every ghost story has a lady in white. Like show me when the person. So it's not a castle. It's not a haunted castle. If we don't have a lady in white. That's true. I think that's true. By law. Yeah.

26:49 It's been deemed by I don't know. It's not Vegas. Mr. Bringle by itself. I was gonna say lawyer. But ghost hunter. But they do see her standing by the window. I say the window in 306 by A window. Okay. I'll say. Okay. We aren't sure which window. It was probably the one. Like if you walk into the room, it was to the right. Cause that MF reader was going to be going off the floor on that window. Yeah. We'll talk about it. Okay. Well. Oh boy. Her story is quite a sad one. And one, maybe we've heard before. And I say maybe. And I mean definitely. Yeah.

27:37 She was waiting for her fiance to return from war. But he sadly never made it home to her. Oh no. The woman was so distraught after hearing of his passing. But she decided to join him. And she jumped to her death. No. From a window in room 306. Oh no. Would that fall kill you? That's kind of why I feel like she would have just broken her legs. It depends on how you land. That's true. That's true. And without modern medicine. Like yeah. Yeah. You're right. Recovery. I hope she I whatever happened. I hope no one suffered. I hope she just like passed away on her own. And then people just made this story up. I hope so. Yeah. I hope it's totally fake.

28:30 Yeah. I hope no one died anywhere ever. Yeah. Everyone's still alive. You guys. Yeah. Well, let's move on to room 302. Footsteps could be heard in the empty attic above. Like how you're looking up, Caitlyn. Mary's team actually caught this on recording. Oh yeah. So they caught an EVP of footsteps up above them. I love room 302. And no one was out there. Wow. I bet you there was someone up there. They just weren't supposed to be there. They just weren't left in us. Yeah. They weren't supposed to be there. That's just oh that's all. Kind of like we weren't supposed to be there. We were meant to be there. Yeah. We were.

29:15 We totally were. It felt so right. Oh my god. One guest heard a loud thud each night around the witching hour 3 a.m. The legend is that a monk slash priest died by suicide in the turret directly above this room. Yeah. Like I said, there's no record of this. And I did talk to Mary from the Olympic Peninsula Paranormal Society who said that it had been disproven. I don't know why people say it would be a monk. I feel like if anything, it was probably one of the Jesuits. If it happened. Yeah. Yeah.

29:58 And one article said that even if it did happen, they're most likely wouldn't be a record of it or it would be covered up in some way because who who wants to say that one of their Jesuits told themselves that he's gonna hide it. Yeah. I was a bit under the rug. And the cat like at the school like it was a school. Yeah. So that would just look very bad for everyone. Never here. And we don't know where he went. Yeah. After he was not here. I mean, it was and it's so easy to us or it was so easy to just like Yeah. So things that are the rug back then. Yeah. Yeah. No records of anything. Yeah. Look. Oh, no. We lost those papers. I don't know. So weird. I feel like that could be part of like white a lot of older spirits hang around because we don't know exactly what happened to them. Like why don't we see ghosts dressed in like modern day style. But I think maybe it's because maybe we know what happened of them and also we do. Yeah. Do we? I don't know. I've never seen it. No, not me. But their stories is like, I don't know, ghosts in the road and like. Yeah. We've also been wearing a final shirt in jeans.

31:05 That's true. That's not always a lady in white. Yeah. But there are more lady in white. Yeah. There's a lot more like old timey ghosty stories than. But I think it's because the records weren't kept. So they like people don't know what happened to them and there's a lot of energy in the air. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's why green. Yeah. The lens is so high. Unfinished. Yeah. Yeah. That reminds me of Casper. Yeah. Did you guys? Did you guys watch Casper? No, it's been years. I don't remember it. My god. I love that movie. I was so in love with guys. I really like Scott. Yeah. He was so cute.

31:48 I'm blushing. I don't see it. I'm sorry. When he turns into the human boy. Oh, because I don't remember. That's why I don't see it. At the end, spoiler alert in Casper. Spoiler alert. F***ing Casper. He gets like a couple hours like Cinderella and he gets to be in his human form and he gets to dance with Christina Ricci. And it's just amazing. Okay. That's adorable. But I have no idea what that kid looks like. Yeah. I mean, he's cute and you're a kid as well. Okay. But like obviously I can't say I'm crushing on him now because I'm 34 years old. Oh my god. And he is forever a queen. Oh, yeah. He was cute. Yeah. He's cute. He's cute. That was the attention. He's like not bad.

32:38 I don't mean he's all right. He's like not bad. I haven't seen him as an adult. Actually, I, yeah, let me see. You go and won't go go but I don't think he's your type. Does he have a beard? He does not. Does he look like a lumberjack? Oh my god. What did you say? It was what's his name? Devon Sawa? I don't know how to say his last name. What's he in? Final destination? He is? He's like the main guy in Final destination. Oh my god. I haven't seen that in so long. Let me see. Do you have it? Oh, that guy. Okay. I changed my mind. I love him. Yeah. Yeah.

33:22 Okay. So what was that? You're the proud bad guy. Yeah. Casper is like, oh, it's a ghost. In the attic, Mary's team caught an EVP of a male voice saying, I'm not here. Which is like, ew. Are you? Are you talking? You're here right now. You're literally talking to me. Is he saying I'm not here because I'm a ghost? Like I'm here, but I'm not. Ew. Ew. I'm not a fan of that. No. To be honest, I don't, I don't care for it at all. Well, if you don't care for that, you're not going to care for this very much. So Mary actually stayed the night and saw the apparition of a little boy in period appropriate clothing. Oh, wow. Sleeping at the end of her bed.

34:13 Oh my god. No. No. Yeah. So like, wow. No. It's really interesting because it's like a little kid like curled up on the end of your bed, like kind of like a dog would be. Yeah. That's um. Or if you're gin, um, maybe your boyfriend. Because at Michael Scott, at least it didn't like crawl in the covers next door though. Maybe it was trying to be respectful, but also like wanted to be fun. That sounds horrifying. Oh my god. I don't care. I can't. I can't. No. No. I wouldn't buy a little kid to cuddle with me. Take it back. This is why you slept on the couch. It's a baby. It just needs love.

35:01 No. Oh my god. Well, you guys. You're a mother. I don't care. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. Ghost baby. I'm not mothering ghost children. Fuck them. Fuck them kids. I got you. I got you guys. Okay. You know, oh good. I am with human kids. Do you think I would be good with ghost kids? Yeah. I think so. Yeah. Okay. That makes me feel good. Thank you guys. You know what I feel like that explains a lot because I feel like just all past, present and future versions of me reject children's better life. Well, so I'm forever sleeping in a bed alone because I invite ghosts into my bed. Yeah. I mean, you won't be alone because you'll have all of those ghost children.

35:44 True. Of course, I have to talk about just a couple little things from ghost adventures. Okay. Oh boy. They're busy in 2015. Season 14 episode three. My god, that was almost 10 years ago. It was a long time ago. Damn. Yeah. I really want to take a fucking shit. Wow. Wow. They talked to a housekeeper that was physically attacked in a dungeon laundry room. No way. The door literally says dungeon. It's out. Yeah. Yeah. So I naturally want to go in and we did. Honestly, I feel like of all of the places that we went there that really didn't feel.

36:29 It didn't feel that bad. The dungeon was fine to me. The attic. No. There was something where that did happen in the dungeon though. I don't know if you guys remember, but we'll talk about it. The light. Yeah. Don't tell me. I didn't remember. Something was light. We'll talk about it. So the housekeeper got a child-sized handprint bruise on her leg and didn't feel it happen at the time. So she told the ghost it was not okay to leave bruises, which is fair. Yeah. And then felt a punch in the face. What the? I'm laughing because it's like it's like it's kind of a scared reaction. Oh my god. That's horrifying. So we always tell people like just tell the ghost that it's not okay to do this. It's like your boundaries, but then to get punched in the face. That's scary. We do also say like try to be, you know, respectful. Yeah. So maybe maybe it wasn't approached in a respectful way.

37:30 I don't know. That ghost was just a dick. Really? Let's be honest. Probably. But it was a kid. I don't like to think it was the same kid pulled up and what if it might not have been the kid that punched her? That's true. They say that like ghost kids aren't or some people say ghost kids are not even like like kids can be ghosts and like anything pretending to be a ghost that's kid is actually like demonic. Oh, I don't personally believe it myself. I do think there are children spirits that are like normal just lost, you know, little ghosts. I'd rather think that it was a demon than a kid. Right. But that sounds like a very demonic thing to do. Like I don't go. Yeah. Hunter the face man. I know. This time she did feel it obviously because she didn't feel the bruise but she did feel the punch to the face. And since that they did not like her telling them off, which oh yeah, I can see that fair. But always tell the ghost to, you know, try to set your boundaries. I mean, I don't know what you could do to prevent a punch in the face. I mean, she tried. Yeah. I would still risk it. I would set my boundaries anyway and yeah, risk the punch to the face because I don't think that that this doesn't happen a lot. This is like intense. Yeah. I mean, I hope not. Yeah. Okay. And then fucking Zak Bagans. Uh huh. Uh huh. Bagel Bites. Supreme. What did he do after hearing this piece of evidence? Oh boy. He probably said, fuck you ghost. Well, he asks this poor housekeeper to punch him

39:08 in the face as hard as she got punched in the face. Oh, that makes so much sense. Okay. Wow. And why? Wow. Yeah. He wanted to like feel how hard it was. I guess that's how you was in today. Okay. I would have just taken her word for it. Right. Like what the fuck's that? Come on. And she was like, no, I can't punch that hard. So obviously it was a pretty hard punch. Which I don't know if Zak Bagans told me to punch him in the face. I might, I think I would do it. I might do it. No questions. Yeah. No hesitation. Just sure. Yeah. Zach. Yeah. Your move. Waiting on you, sir. Uh huh. Another interesting tidbit was Charles, Eisenbeis and his first wife, Elizabeth, are buried in an underground vault in Laurel Grove, Cemetery. The door was later sealed. And Elizabeth was in a glass top coffin, which is very snow white.

40:13 A stone ended up breaking off of the ceiling and falling onto her coffin and breaking the glass open. Nope. Wow. Nope. And when they went into repair, they also found that it had smashed a child's coffin also inside the vault. I'm sorry. I don't think you mentioned a child. I just did just now. I, yep. But what child? Yes. I have. Follow up questions. Any remaining family these days did not know of Charles and Elizabeth, his first wife ever having a child. And Zak theorizes that the spirit of the child might be angry that it has been forgotten. That makes sense. Yeah. I mean, that tracks.

41:02 But of course, he also thinks that a demon might be possessing the child. So, you know, that makes sense. Yeah. Either one, uh, or a child or a demon, you know, pick, pick, take your pick. Yeah. Yeah. Pick your pick. That's what I was just. And then while I was talking to Mary, she said that they were taking pictures at the cemetery in front of the Eisenbeis monument. And they caught an EVP at the same time these pictures were being taken. Oh. And it's a very like clear EVP. And it says, how dare you take that? That's creepy. Are you serious? Wow. Yeah.

41:43 I'll link it for everyone so they can go to their website. They have all their EVPs that you can play. That's cool. And Mary is actually going to come back on and talk to us soon. So, I think that will be pretty cool. So excited. Uh, tell her to take three of us on a Pernodal investigation. I know I did ask her. I was like, can you tag along? Sometimes she also set us up with, she gave me the name of, uh, like a Portland, like a local Portland paranormal team. But I'm in a contact as well. So maybe we'll just like, we'll just tag along to everyone's teams. Sweet. So now we're going to talk about our little trip to Manresa Castle, which was completely unplanned. And we had no idea what was going to happen. So we show up to this beautiful castle.

42:36 And before we go inside, I think we're like, let's just like see what we can get outside just in case they like run us off the property. Yeah. Yeah. So we pull out Cristina's EMF reader. And then we didn't get the spirit box in time, which we talked about. Yeah. So we just downloaded some apps on our phone and the one yeah, you got one that was calling you a square. I don't know what you thought was. Yeah. We got the Sono X 10 spirit box. Yeah. Well, so we're Apple users and Cristina isn't. So we kind of had to get different apps. Yeah. And we got very different responses. Yeah.

43:24 So let's go over. So we the EMF reader was going off outside right by the fountain. Yeah. Was it going all the way to the top or just like halfway all the way all the way. Yeah. And then so Caitlyn, you tell us what you were hearing because you put your earbuds in was playing the spirit box app. And yeah, you tell us what you heard. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's all in response to specific questions. So one of the things that I was asking, which probably seems weird now, but because it wasn't like we reached out to them and had a specific invitation to like come and do a tour or anything. We freeb all that I exactly I kept asking I was like, where should we go? Like where do we go next from here?

44:17 And it told me to go to hell. Didn't say like go to hell. Was it like no? It just said it like said hell. Oh, okay. Wow. It just said hell. Yeah. And if anyone real quick, if anyone doesn't know what a spirit box is because we don't know like who's listening if they're experts in the paranormal investigations like we are. Yeah. It scans through radio frequencies. So like it goes like you theoretically can't hear a full word because it's scanning so fast. So when you do hear a word, it's thought that that's like the ghost energy manipulating and putting their own words in there and let you hear it. So it also told me to go upstairs. Oh wow. Interesting. Wow. That is interesting.

45:11 And I was like, are you sure? Because I feel like the lobby looks like it can be nice. And this is when we were in the courtyard by the water fountain, which is underneath the attic turret. It is. Yeah. Yeah. And like I didn't know anything about this place. I obviously very intentionally I don't look into the places that I know you're going to talk about. She has no interest. No. No. Not at all. I'm like, I want to know less than I did when I nope. Oh, just as little as possible. Didn't you say when you first turned it on it said your name? It did. It said my name a couple of times. The app you had on your phone that would give you words said water first. Water. Yeah. So which is interesting. Yeah.

46:03 I think I was a little further away when it said water. So I was like, I guess I walked towards the fountain. And then at the fountain, it said, Terrorist. And I was like, all right, that's random. Yeah. Yeah. And then it said, what was the other thing? Square. Square. Square. Yeah. Yeah. It was interesting because it called, it said not, I don't want to say it's like calling you a terrorist, but it said to me about terrorist. And I think it was actually calling me a terrorist. Why? Why would it do that? We're like, why would you say terrorist? And then it said square. So it's like, yeah, yeah. Which is it like telling us to shut up, but like I didn't know if it was calling us squares or if it was like square up bitches.

46:59 What other two? Did we shut it off after that? I turned it off for a little bit and then I switched apps to another one that was just making like, yeah, sounds. So then we went inside to, you know, snoop around. And then they have like, you can go in the lobby in the library, little section. Yeah. But then pass that everything the signs say only for guests. So we're like, oh, like we shouldn't go down the hall and up the stairs and blah, blah, blah. And I was like, well, the girl at the front desk has pink hair. So she's probably super cool. She's probably super cool. It's true. So she was. Yeah.

47:40 She really high. So I went to Nova at the front desk and I was like, hey, is there anywhere else we can look around in the hotel? And she was like, yeah, we can go wherever we can go the attic and I was like, are you sure? Yes. So then we're like, can we see the two haunted rooms? So yeah, she took us to the attic. She went everywhere to the attic into the turrets room. Oh my god, it was so cool. I think it was me and Cristina were freaking out like excited and Caitlin was freaking out. Like, oh god, why am I here? Yeah. It's a beautiful building. I think there was a lot that I was excited to see. And you guys were excited. So I feel like a little bit, you know, it's kind of like a golden retriever energy. I'm just so happy to be here, you know, to be involved. Yeah. Yeah.

48:40 Even though I'm very uncomfortable because there was a lot of uncomfortable. Yeah. It was interesting. So we go up into the attic and I immediately am like looking at the turrets space and I'm like, why is there a chair over there? It was so weird. And she was like, I don't know, that makes me kind of uncomfortable because that's where like the legends of where the monk hung him. Oh, yeah. It's like, why would there be a chair over there? So, you know, me and Cristina just like immediately walk over there. Yeah. It's where you want to hang out. Yeah. I did. It was really, it was cool in there. We were like talking about we're standing where that beggin stud. We took pictures like Zak Bagan's will see. Yeah. And funny because that's like the one spot that I didn't go to. Yeah. Yeah. Over there at all. Yeah. I was like, no thanks. And it had, I don't know what the little landing was. It had like a little stairs up to a landing that looked out the window. And I climbed up there and I was like, oh, those boards look a little shady. So I like tested one with my foot and it like went down. So I was like, well, I guess I can't stand up here, but I can see. No thing. Still see out the window and take a crazy picture. But then when we were, so we're done in the turret area and we were walking back to Nova and Caitlyn who were in another part of the attic, like the middle part. And I like, I'm walking just fine. And then I take a step in its literally like water bed. Like I, it was the most intense like vertigo I've ever had. And

50:16 I get it pretty easy. Like if I'm on a dock or like a boat, I get like, I know I'm moving. But this was like, I almost thought like, am I falling through the floor right now? Like, yeah. It was so intense. I thought that I might be like sinking into the floor. It was weird. And when you felt that, I felt like this weird pressure in my chest. Oh, it was like, it felt heavy in the room. And I was like, what the fuck? I don't feel these things. Interesting. Yeah. It was weird. And it was weird. That didn't happen over where that chair was. No. It was like over where you were standing. I think we walked past that painting with the girl painting. And the painting was the first thing that I kind of glomed onto that was like, wow, that's so creepy. It's like her eyes. Oh, yeah. It was very creepy painting. I wouldn't have to lotta their grandchild or I don't know who the painting was.

51:12 Yeah. It's hard to say. That's interesting. Did anything else creepy happen you up there in the attic? No, just that weird feeling that I did not feel anywhere else in when we were at Munresa except up there. I didn't either. I didn't feel like the wobbly. And Nova did say like, that does happen to her sometimes too, because we think the floor might like, you know, it's just not as sturdy. Yeah. But it was weird that it only happened to me in that one spot. And it was only like two steps and then it was gone. So very weird. And it makes me question like other experiences that I've had actually because I've toured other old buildings and specifically addicts and felt like the whole thing was like walking through molasses. And some of that I know just intellectually is like from a construction standpoint like, well, it's old. And that's that's the building material and the different layers. And then sometimes it's perhaps not. Yeah. I do remember though, wasn't the EMF reader going like totally all the way to the red? The whole the whole time we were upstairs that EMF reader was going wild. It did not go down below red. And yeah, the lights were just flak green. And yeah, it was weird because like, I mean, we were walking around in the hallway. It was

52:46 fine. We went in the little awesome elevator. It was fine. The elevator was super cute. The coolest elevator ever. And I don't like elevators. Yeah. Like historically someone who just does not get on board with elevators. I'm not a fan either. Yeah. But we I wasn't expecting it to be like pink and cute. It was adorable. So cute. Oh my god. I was like, can I do my engagement photo shoot here? Yeah, let's go back and down. Well, then we went into the two haunted rooms 302 and 306. I can't remember. Is there a two the one under the turret? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we went. Yeah.

53:30 And it is. Yeah. We went in that one first, right? And yeah. Is that the one that was a mess? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So they had checked out. So you know, Nova would make sure no one was occupying these rooms. And they were they had their like honey moon or some sort of like date night shenanigans going on in there. I mean, that was a whole last party. There was flowers everywhere. Those petals. Yeah. Yeah. It was sweet. I was like, well, at least someone had like a really good time in here last night. Really? There was like sort of a romantic, but also a party vibe. Yeah. But we were just like, don't touch anything. Yeah. Yeah. So we didn't recording anything in there. I don't remember the MF really going off in that room. Honestly, I think I think just where we stood underneath were supposedly the pre-slaunch month like condoms. Yeah. And we stood there. I think it might have like turned on a little bit, but definitely not in the same levels as the attic. That was wild. Yeah.

54:32 And then we went into the other room, three, oh six, which is where the woman jumped out the window allegedly. Allegedly. And that was interesting. Yeah. So I was walking around with it on like pointed out places. And then I was like, hey, wait, what window is the one where she supposedly fell off? But before that, I was checking both windows anyway with the MF reader. And then Novo was like, oh, I think it was this one. So I went to stand at that window. And yeah, the MF was like bright lights. The other one, no lights. Like nowhere else in that room. Both the window. So that was weird. Yeah. And we do a video of it sitting on the windowsill, right? We do. It's on, I want to say, both of our social medias. So then, you know, we go back downstairs in Novo's like going back into her front desk area. And I was like, well, but what about can we go to the dungeon?

55:30 And she very slowly put up with me asking to go to the dungeon for the second time. After telling me that there was nothing special down there. But I was like, I just want to walk for Zak. I just want to go and get punched in the face. Yeah. Okay. Is that what happened? Yeah. Okay. Oh, interesting. Okay. I'm going to have to watch this episode. I'm sure I've seen it at some point. It's a pretty good one. I got to watch it. I know I haven't seen it. And I definitely don't talk about really much that happened. There was like a chair that they caught that fell over in the dining room, which was like, oh, I think that was like their biggest piece of evidence. It was like a chair falling over by itself. But yeah, a lot happens in that episode. So definitely go watch it.

56:25 Interesting. But so we did go down to the dungeon. And we were like, it's, we didn't really feel anything down there. It was just cool to be down there, except for Nova walked passed this one room. And she's like, wait, why is the light on? Like this? It turned on. It turned on as she walked past it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She walked in. It was like, wait, who turned that on? And we were like, where are we here? I was like, that came on. Yeah. It turned on after you walked past it. And they're like old basement lights. They're not like motion sensor. And you know, we went in there like nothing motioned on. So that was pretty interesting. Yeah. I think I caught the end of that on video. Like when she said, why did this light turn on? I think I like turned on my camera really quick. But I like catch anything.

57:15 But yeah, so that was pretty cool. Well, I was secret. So something happened to me after we got home. I pretty sure it was Monday. Like stay after. What? But we don't even know about. Yeah. I mean, we must not, because this doesn't sound familiar at all. Which I said was a secret. Yeah. Yeah. So you guys, you know how I was like, oh, I can't get possessed because I have an anti-position. Oh my god. I was like, that's so fucking cocky. You just say that. We heard it. It might work. So I have the supernatural anti-possession tattoo, which is like, it's not, it's from a show. Okay. But like, I put all of my thoughts and powers into it while I was getting it like anti-possession. So I think that it works. How's that working out for you? I think it works. And let me tell you why.

58:09 Oh my god. Monday night. I like got this burning in my ribs. And I was like, oh, what is that? It was getting real itchy. That's where my tattoo is right here. Oh, it was getting real itchy. Oh my god. And this, it's a, like what I got it like a, like a couple months ago, like four months ago, about four months ago. So it's healed. I shouldn't feel weird like that anymore. Yeah. And sometimes, you know, if it gets a little dry, it gets itchy. So I'm like putting lotion on it. It starts like, like, I want to scratch my fucking skin off. It starts itching so bad. It was bright red because, well, I was like scratching at it. So it was all red. Nowhere else on my body was I getting this feeling and I was like, is it, is it working? Like, is this keeping something at like somebody is trying to like get at me?

59:04 And like, it felt like it wanted me to scratch all of my tattoo. Like, that sounds crazy. Horrifying. That sounds horrifying. Yeah. So lasted like all night. And then, you know, I haven't had that sense, which I feel like if it was my skin like reacting to like the ink or something, I don't know, it would like keep happening. Yes. When you have other issues, it's not like you're like allergic tattoos. Yeah. I have other tattoos and they get, you know, they get itchy when, like, I said, when they get dry, but never like that intense, like it will go away when I put lotion on it. And I was like putting lotion on this bitch all night. And it still knows it was just like burnt. It was the weirdest thing. Yeah. So I was like, I don't know. Something came home with me and was like trying to get inside of me. Yeah. Because you got cocky. It was like, oh, yeah.

59:53 Yeah. But then you were right. Right? I mean, I think it works. It works. Or listen, what is your name even Cassie? I have questions. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yeah. I have security questions for you. Well, now like, okay, so it's not possessing me, but like, is it around me fucking with our technology? Because we've, we had some serious issues. And I'm like, it's me, it's my fault. It's me and the problem. Hi. Yeah. Hello. So we might have to exercise.

1:00:34 Greetings and salutations. I am the problem. I need to go take a Pilates class and get exercised and go steam it off of me. Exercise. Oh, my god. Oh, my god. Well, so you have to go Cristina on a date. I do. I do. Okay. So I won't be with us for tarot because we had so many technological difficulties in the beginning. I can't wait to hear the tarot part. Yeah. It's been so fun. Oh, wait. We forgot something. We forgot something. We went to the cemetery. We went to the cemetery. Oh, my god. We had to talk about the cemetery. Oh, my god. How do we even forget? How do we forget that? I don't know. How did I remember that? Yeah. Okay.

1:01:18 Probably where I felt the most uncomfortable. You stayed in the car. I did. Yeah. I was very hard pressed to leave my vehicle. And we drove around looking for the Eisenhower monument. And we like went the wrong way at first. We literally, the opposite way. Yeah. The opposite way. So we went around the entire cemetery before we found it in the entrance. Sure did. Sure did. If we'd taken a left instead of a right. But I mean, I'm okay with it because I wanted to see the interior. It was so cool. It looks so cool. There are so many. And it looks so cool in the video that I ended up it was posted on the scary FM social media and then I was tagging it. Yeah. And just the deer.

1:02:00 It looked cool. So I'm like, I'm actually glad that we took the scenic route inside the cemetery. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was nice. It was a really beautiful cemetery. It was. I feel very uncomfortable in the cemetery. I don't, I don't like walking in the grass. I always apologize, like profusely. And I'm like, I'm just here admiring. It's gorgeous here. It's peaceful. I'm sorry. I'm like, tipped over you real quick. I'm so sorry. There's nowhere in the cemetery. Like if you're on the grass, I don't feel comfortable at all. Yeah. Like anywhere on the grass, I don't feel comfortable. And I understand that. It's like organic. Like interesting. You're connecting with the ground and the ground is connecting with the skeleton. Like you're, you're kind of like so. Yeah.

1:02:51 Maybe that sounds completely bonkers, but like I kind of think so. That's how I was when before I embraced my creepiness, I would not, I was not comfortable in cemeteries. I remember, I was just thinking about this the other day. It's hard to imagine. I remember going to funeral and I was just like so uncomfortable. But then I started thinking about this. And I was like, I remember there being like a lot of people around. And I don't think that there was. There was. Right. Yeah. You would see and tell people that's really interesting. That's where my memory, the cemetery was just like there was people, there was full of people. And I'm like, this funeral, I'm thinking of I don't think there was. I don't mean people there. Yeah. And it was interesting when I was thinking about this the other day. But yeah. Wow. No, I've embraced it. And I feel okay. And I want to see the people again. I can I go back and like I want to get my talents back.

1:03:55 I'd rather not. I feel fine as cemeteries because like I'm sure I'm not going to see anything. And I have every time it never fails. I don't see a thing. So damn, I'm just waiting. We did hear something. Have something interesting happen. Oh yeah. Yeah. Back to that. Yeah. Yeah. So naturally, I'm like, there's stairs going down into their vault. But it is like walled off. So you can't go inside. But the so the stairs lead down to a little wall. Yeah. And I was like, let's go and like hang out in there. And I don't remember if we had the spirit box app up while we were like in on the stairs or just like right in front of the monument. You had it open in front as we were walking down.

1:04:40 And then when we were at the wall, it was open. And then I had the MF either at the same time. So yeah, it was open. Like not just down there. So like we didn't hear anything up there before we walked down the little stairs of the eyes and biases like tombstone. Yeah. But then when we got walked in the stairs and stood there and we were like standing there for a little bit asking to you. We went to your castle. You have to watch that. It was beautiful. Look at this. We heard there's a child in here that nobody knows about.

1:05:27 Rosemary. Rosemary is that? That's November. Yeah. Sensitive. Is the little girl's name Rosemary? I was a fan of it. It was a little bit cooler. I just heard Rosemary again. Can I make a hand? Yeah. Yeah. I need to smell it. Well, you're in a beautiful place to be laid to rest. And I think I was like I heard there was a child inside and then what did the spirit box say to us?

1:06:16 It was a name, right? Oh, a name was that? Rosemary. Rosemary. Rosemary. Very clearly. I didn't even hear it and I still remember it. It's like in my ear. Yeah. Somehow I forgot. Because it's like three syllables. Three syllables on a spearbox thing is like kind of crazy. Rosemary. Yeah. Do you still have the little audio for me? I do. I have the screen recorded. Okay. Cool. You should totally insert it. I should. I will. I'll find it. It was like a little bit like Rosemary. Wait. Did they just say Rosemary? Rosemary. And it was like a girl's voice too. It was. It was. Yeah. It was interesting. It was very good. You guys are down there walking down the steps to the wall of the mazlem. Meanwhile, I'm like I don't want to crack my windows open to the fire. Yeah. Yeah. And then we had to go and get coins because I was like oh we have to leave like gift because it's customary. It's like a respectful. Yeah. Yeah. To leave. I don't know that was the thing. Yeah. But then there was more coins there and I was like oh. I think we were respectful and we said thank you for you know maybe speaking with us if you were. I thought it was cool. I really liked it. Yeah. It was so glad that I had changed. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

1:07:36 Yeah. Because I didn't have mine because I had just cleaned out my purse. And I don't own any single piece of like coins or chains like change like nothing. Cash? No. I know. And usually you have like at least a couple bucks or like quarters or something and I never do and I did. I keep it in my purse in case I go to a cemetery. Oh. Makes sense. Is that why? Who doesn't? I mean I feel like that's the reason you need to have change. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Just you know for Hades. We've got something we're really excited to share with you guys. Let's hear a few words from our new pod besties. Do you love true crime but are looking for something different? Do you like learning about cases so off the wall they can't possibly be true? Do you love history but want to hear about what they didn't teach you in school? Do you like laughing awkwardly about cases that are bizarre and a little strange? Then we have the podcast for you. Join me, Lindsay. And me, Madison, for yield crime. Where we discuss the funny, strange and obscure crimes of yesterday. Listen every Wednesday wherever you get your podcasts. And we'll see you next time with another tale.

1:09:03 "Has old this crime?" Check them out creepy people. You can find their info in our show notes. So you've fondled the deck? Sure, deyed. Well I interestingly, I guess I put the card away but I can tell the story. So Cristina has left and I put the deck on her chair to soak up her butt energy from the episode. But I like it. So I was like deck, soak up Cristina's butt energy and then I pick up the deck and on the bottom is the hanged man. Yeah, which I thought was pretty interesting.

1:09:49 Kind of weird. Yeah, so do with that what you will. I'm interested to see what we're going to draw here. Oh, bye. I feel like I'm being really quiet. I really, I don't know. I need to do one more. Okay. I don't know why I got like really nervous all of a sudden. Is that weird? No, I feel like that makes sense. There's like anxious energy in here right now. Where's that coming from? I feel it too.

1:10:30 I mean that might just be me. Maybe it's my shoulders are like a thing. Yeah. The three C's. We got the three of cups. Okay. Yeah. Interesting. Oh, we turned to page 11 and 11 right off the bat. Okay. It's like a really the positive like party card. It is. Yeah. We just had so much like positive like cheesy energy. Like we can't be to get back together and go something like right before she laughs. I feel like yeah, it's like picking all of that up. Yeah, I think that that kind of makes sense. Yeah. Okay. Keywords are celebration, fulfillment, friendship, community, happiness and fun. Yeah. The three of cups in many decks depicts three young women holding chalices a lot as if toasting each other. Cristina, your butt energy is with us. And we're officially too far away from each other to toast. In some packs, the women are dancing and clearly having fun or ghost something. Yeah. Maybe that. A positive card. It suggests you have something

1:12:03 to celebrate perhaps a relationship or the success of a project. A podcast. Maybe. And we drew this upright, correct? Yeah. That's so funny. This is also the card that I still have with the a little tabby. Yeah. I know right now we have to draw another card. But I'm gonna wait until this like celebratory energy. Okay. Let's blow it through. The upright three says you're enjoying a good time with people you care about and admire. You could think of this as the cheers card. Cheers. Cheers.

1:12:44 It can also indicate expressing love, inspiration and creativity with a community of like-minded people. The common bond between you fills your cups and brings blessings to all. I hope so. Okay. In a reading about money, the three says you can profit from a collective undertaking. It shows you reaping rewards from an investment made with other people. Hell yeah. Hell to the you. Quite we have quite the investment already. We're also just talking about that. Sure do.

1:13:27 Oh, boy. If the reading is about your job, the upright three assures good fortune from a group effort. Oh yeah. You feel joyful and fulfilled with the results. It's time to celebrate your success. With another ghost hunting trip. I think so. I think all signs point to that. That's probably got to have to be after your wedding. Oh my god. You just said that in a reading about love, this card can represent a marriage. That's happening. It shows you celebrating your love and extending affection beyond your primary partnership to include friends, community and kindreds spirits. So literally a fucking wedding. It's it's it's a spirit still. Yeah sure. Sure did. Okay.

1:14:24 Okay. The three graces Greek mythology speaks of three goddesses of joy, charm and beauty known as the graces. The three of cups reminds us of the famous painting Primavera. Oh yeah. By the Renaissance painter and Italian, the angel, Sandra, but the Shelley. We got this one at the Lithia Park episode. There was like the Blue Lady in the painting. Yeah. The look of after. Yeah.

1:15:05 Which shows these three beautiful young deities dancing together. It's definitely us. It's totally us. Oh, this is interesting. Are you done? Yeah. It's talking about the butterflies. So there's butterflies in the card. Okay. On some flowers. And it says they drift on the wind, fluttering on stained glass wings. Oh, there was definitely like stained glass windows of the castle. That's kind of freaky. Yeah. The fact that people fell out of windows. That's true. That's true. That is true. Yeah. I just thought it was so interesting because you were like pointing out the stained glass windows. You know, they're so pretty. Yeah, they're so pretty. I'll read this because it's short. Okay. The sweet aroma of blossoming lupines draws thousands of butterflies together. Orgas. Each seeks their own needs and nourishment, but finds more in togetherness. Their journeys are aligned. They discover comfort in belonging.

1:16:14 They discover comfort in belonging. A warmth in community of kindred spirits. Again, it says the word spirits. They drink deep from their petled cups and enjoy the sweet nectar. Nectar. I can enjoy the sweet nectar. Yep. I'm going to draw another card, y'all. What do we get? It looks like the night of cups in reverse. Also cups. That's true. That's true. He words are communication, romance, travel, idealism, and flirtatiousness. We did walk in on a like a honeymoon suite. We did. That's so interesting.

1:17:07 This card indicates you're totally wrapped up in romantic ideas because nights signify messengers and travel. This card can mean you receive a message, perhaps an expression of love from a suitor. If this night represents an actual person, he's probably a young man with a poetic, imaginative and affectionate nature, but he might not be dependable. This is totally in ego. Like he was like the romantic shiverly shenanigans dude bro vibes. Oh man. Okay. We have extra excerpts. So in it's in reverse. Yeah. The night of cups is the night of the grail legend.

1:18:00 The story of the grail search is an allegory of seeking truth, beauty, purpose, and salvation in life. Interesting. Seeking salvation. Well, I mean, if you think about the holy grail. Yeah. Super Jesus. He shit. Yeah. Yeah. WWJD and all that. You know. Okay. The night on a white horse. Oh my god. This is like what he like thought himself to me. Some decks, including the writer wait Smith and the thought hero show the night of cups, writing a white horse, a romantic depiction of land. The fairy tale night on a white charger come to carry you away to a fantasy land. Holy shit balls dude. I'm so glad I included my friggin Wikipedia rabbit hole. Hmm. Okay. Let's hear about it in the reverse.

1:19:08 When the night of cups appears reversed, he may represent insecurity in decision lack of commitment and immaturity, especially in relationships. I feel like that could be right on. Sometimes he represents broken promises or deceit or an offer that's not based in reality. Hmm. So he like went to this cave in man race and came up with he got he meditated and got all of the plans or rules or whatever for the Jesuits. Interesting. Okay. This next part.

1:19:52 If he stands for an actual person, he's someone to avoid. He's not what he seems. He may not even know himself who he is. Even if his intentions are good, he can't fulfill them. Yeah. No comment. No notes. In a reading about money, this card warns, get out while you can. Ooh. Someone may be trying to swindle you or an investment isn't sound. Ooh, the non-funnery. A financial advisor may be untrustworthy or an offer is too good to be true.

1:20:36 If the reading is about your job, the reverse night can show dishonesty, deviousness, or incompetence, either on your part or that of an employer or colleague. A project may not get off the ground. If you're considering a job change, this card advises against it. Yeah. Stick to your bakery, your bakery, your bank. Don't try to start a non-funnery. In a reading about love, the night reversed indicates secrets and lies in a relationship. A partner isn't being open or is conflicted about his or her feelings. Commitment isn't an option.

1:21:25 This card may also say you're living in a fantasy world. Stop dreaming and get real. This could also be the woman who is waiting for her. That's why I'm thinking about the entire time we're reading this card. Really? Yeah. I wasn't getting her until you said that. Oh no. The entire time. Immediately, that was the vibe. So there was another version to that story where he didn't die and he actually married someone else. Oh no. So it's possible she could have been in this love affair with him, but he wasn't in it. You know what I mean? Yeah. For one reason or another.

1:22:11 Yeah. All of it's sad. Oh, I hate it. Yeah. I hate it so much. And we don't know the monk who died by suicide. There might have been some sort of fantasy. I guess. I love going on as well. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah. We don't know. Yeah. We don't know. What do you guys know? What do you think? What do you think? Tell us what you know. Yeah. Were we wrong about everything? How could that be? I don't know. We're right about everything. Oh, those are dolphins. There are dolphins. Pacific white-sided dolphin. This is interesting. One of the key words on this is emotion-motivated into action. Oh. Interesting. Which is like probably, yeah.

1:23:04 You die by suicide is like, yeah. Their emotion is making them take actions. Yeah. Yeah. That's really interesting. Do you want me to read this? When in your blue eternity abounds such teaming life diverse and countless ways within your depths, breath held. I hate when they do this. It's ever, but it's like, e apostrophe you are. Yeah. I don't like saying it like that. Yeah. I'll ever be found. Why can't you just say ever? That's just, yep. I'll ever be found a float in your embrace through all my days. He went off to see. I forgot about that. I'm pretty sure. Maybe he didn't go to see.

1:23:54 I don't know. I mean, I feel like I'm remembering. It said he went to war, but I don't know. I feel like he went off to see who knows. What were you going to say? What do you think? I feel like out a lot of those windows, you can see the ocean. Oh, duh. We were in port. So probably if he was like leaving from a port, he probably did go in to see that's. I'm not totally crazy. I mean, you're either looking at the ocean and or the sky. Yeah. Either way, probably one or another shiny eternity abounds. Which actually if it's blue sea, blue sky, yeah, blue eternity. Wow. That's cool.

1:24:41 Each season brings a change in your demeanor. In winter's weary stasis, spare a thought for your poor adoring suitors, growing leaner. We have faith. You love us back, but speak it not. Oh, what? That's like someone who's away at sea or thinking like I hope she's waiting for me. Wow. Wow. I like got full chills just. Yeah. In summer's warmth, relenting, you show care with sunlight swells and vibrant life of bloom. Enjoy a stance. I leap into the air, a gesture you return with sparkling plume. In consistent love, my home where I reside, your perfect in each season, every tide. I mean, blue eternity. Yeah. You can literally. I mean, I have to show you the picture that I took out the window. Yeah. Because you couldn't get up that step to look out the window and take a picture, right? Over the chair. No, yeah, I did. You did.

1:25:56 Okay. I just like to show you. I didn't step on the platform, but I got to like the top step I could get out the window. Okay. So I guess the moral of the story is if you're going to go to a haunted place, just ask the nice front desk person if you can look around and don't be annoying about it. Yeah. Don't be disrespectful. Be nice. And if they say no, you can't go on the basement, maybe ask one more time. Yeah. It wasn't a hard no. It was like, I mean, there's nothing down there. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there wasn't to be fair. I just like had to go in the dungeon. Who doesn't want to go in a dungeon? Okay. I mean, I was fine. Just go in right past it. But, you know, some people, I see the words dungeon keep out and I want to go right in. Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, I saw the look in your eye. Yeah. I was like, I'm going in that dungeon. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So thank you very much, Nova.

1:26:57 You're very sweet. Nova. Yeah. And then we gave her a little envelopes of the mini-terror reading. Yeah. Shared it on the social. Very nice. Very nice. We haven't shared it yet because we had to wait. Yeah. We missed a lot of sharing while we were traveling. I don't know. We're talking. We were busy. Sorry. It's all in the backlog. I was like, we have to remember to share that because we didn't want to share it too soon and let people know where we had been. Yeah. I think if people are paying attention closely, they kind of already knew this was coming because there's a couple of little drop-ins here in the room. Oh, yeah. But yeah. No, I mean, if you were paying half attention, you knew this one was obsessed coming. But I mean, okay. Well, also somebody said, man, Rasa in the last episode. Yeah, pressure that was you. No, it wasn't. It was. Oh, I thought it was you. I like blaming things.

1:27:58 I know. Have a crazy. Stay. Stay. It's spooky. All right. Thanks so much, guys. This was so fun. All right. I got a bounce. I'm going to go get drunk. Go on your date. Get it. Yes. I'm going to get you faced. All right. Bye. Bye. So, it's my turn. Okay. Okay. Do you have the hiccups? BAH! Do I scare you? No. Damn it. I scared myself. (www.pnwhauntsandhomicides.com)