Haunted Hood River: Historic Columbia Gorge Hotel

0:00 Someone commented titled Honeymoon from helll! So don't go here for your Honeymoon. I don't like that. Okay. I mean I dropped that idea. I'm while back, but alright, let's go. The newlyweds were staying on the second floor, and one of them started randomly feeling sick right when they got inside the room. I mean it couldn't just be because you're, you know, it's tied to someone who rested your life for the rest of your life. There's no escape! The old ball and chain! Hi Caitlyn!

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4:47 Yeah. Don't read the fine print. Yeah. I'm in. Who's doing this? Those little guys. All right. Well, are you ready to hear about my story today? Probably not, but like we should probably just rip that band-aid off. You know? I mean, I hope you are because once again, I have changed my topic. At the very last minute. I was so excited when you texted me. It was like, ooh. Because my life is insane. And sometimes people ask me for last minute surprise proposal, photo shoots. And then I'm like, well, since I'm going to go on a journey anyway, I might just find some honoured shit in that town and talk about it.

5:32 That's what I did. Yeah. Just write it off. Pod trip. Perfect. Text deductible. Has it turned out? Yeah. That's how you do life. Yeah. Life advice. So there is a place about an hour east of Portland, Oregon that originally belonged to the Cayuse, Umatilla, Walla Walla, Wasco, Wishram, Yakama, Confederated Tribes of Warm Springs, Confederated Tribes of Grand Ronde, and Confederated Tribes of Siletz Indians I got this from native-land.ca.

6:16 Yeah. So you put in the town and then it gives you all of the list of tribes that used to live there. That's so cool. I know we've done that before. We've done that, I think, for where I live now. A few other places that we've talked about. I feel like this list is really long. Yeah. But even I was looking at the confederated tribes of all of the different three. And there's even more listed here, those because those are all grouped together. Yeah. So I was like, "Oh, this is a lot." But there was a lot of people around at that time. Yeah.

6:56 But as we all know, in 1805, Lewis and Clark rolled through and started naming things on this little map. They were sort of put together. And they named a little river that was flowing into the Columbia. I don't know what the river was originally called, like what the Native Americans might have called it, but the saying about her. But they named this little river, "Labeasche River," after one of their translators Friends Francois Labiche. Oh, I know. Right. So fancy. Clearly. I think. Yeah, no, that's definitely a little strong.

7:38 Fringe. That definitely sells frames. Fringe. Actually, I guess this dude, they named like two rivers after him because he was such a huge help translating with their trade and stuff. So he was kind of a big deal. Yeah. It's really interesting because I think there were a lot of French people that sort of landed in Canada and other parts of the Pacific Northwest that they started to kind of become interpreters with the natives because they actually learned the language and stuff. It's really interesting.

8:18 You could really cost that. No, I don't want to cut that. That is super interesting. I love the tidbit. Also, I'm like, whoa, bro, crash alert. Because they named two rivers after him. Two whole-ass rivers. Two of them. Like why? When did they get confusing like which Labeasche river are you going to? Well, maybe they named the other one like the French ones. French river. I think it specifically said they named them both Labeasche. Oh, okay. Maybe they were in different parts of the country. But you know what? Honestly, it didn't really matter because I guess either no one really liked that name or they did.

9:03 Maybe they couldn't pronounce it. So they just actually called it dog river for about 50 years. Labeasche. Oh my god. Is it because this is like lab or they're like it's like a lab dog. That's the only part they pronounce. I don't know. So they called it dog river. Because white people. Oh my gosh. But I feel like Labeasche. Come on. I know. I really like that. Me too. Can we just go back and name it Labeasche? Yeah. The town would be very different today. I bet. Because in 1854, Mary and Nathaniel Coe.

9:44 Coe? It's COE. Okay. Move to the area. And Mary was just not having it with this dog river name. I mean, yeah. So she carried the shada of the situation and she had the name change to Hood River. Okay. And an unincorporated community developed until it was formally incorporated in 1895. Wow. Yes. Okay. So that's like, I mean, Hood River, you brand new. Yes. Can you imagine now if... So I assume she changed it to Hood because Hood Mount Hood and it's a river coming down from Mountain.

10:29 So, you know, it makes sense. I see where she got there. Can you imagine if like the town of Hood River now was just dog river? Like, I mean... Or... Bitch River? Bitch River. Oh, nice one. Honestly, like... I don't know. Tag yourself. Like, I feel like I resemble that. So, I don't know. You resemble bitch river? Yeah, a little bit. Like a full-ass river of bitch. Yeah. Depends on what day you catch me. You know what? We just have to move into an unincorporated town, rename it, and then take it over and incorporate it.

11:14 Is that all? Okay. Done. The Coe's? Coe Coe? Yeah, Coe. Why do I suck? You don't suck. Like, you don't want to get it wrong, so it feels like a lot of pressure. Like, it makes sense. It's the pressure. The Coe's were actually some of the first to plant fruit trees in the Hood River Valley. Thank God. Which is like a huge fruit for its fruit now. Yeah. There's an area called the fruit loop. So cute. I'm obsessed. I want to live in the fruit loop. We can go. We should go and like, you can go pick fruit.

11:54 Yes. We're going to go. Yes. We're going. Hood River. We're coming for you. The town was known for its apples until a big freeze in 1919. So, I think I just like killed a bunch of the apple trees. Oh, no. But I guess pear trees ended up doing better. They're now known for their Anjou Pears. Oh. Do you know what an Anjou Pears is? Anjou. I don't know. Yeah, it's like kind of, yeah. Anjou but it's like fruit. I see again. Yeah. So that's almost like Anjou Anjou? Anjou? Like you're asking in question. Anjou.

12:34 What do you do for you? Where were you? Anjou. Anjou. Anjou. Yeah. I want the pears. Oh, I love pears. Well, if you can believe it, there is some haunted stuff in this town too. It's just, it's not all about the pears. I don't believe it. No. I think it's all about the fruit. Sorry. I'm going to have to, I'm just going to have to switch gears from the fruit. We're going to move on to stuff that I like to talk about. There's still dancing pears in my head. It's all about the fruit for me. Pears in sheets. Like ghosts. Ghost pears.

13:15 Well, okay. So when I last minute decided to change my topic again for like the 30,000,000 in this podcast, I knew I was on the right track though. When I came across this hotel, and they mentioned Franklin Damn Roosevelt stayed here. Oh, Goddamn it. Even though we recently talked about him not doing some great things in Caitlyn's episode. If you rise to that level of power, it's sort of a double-edged sword.

13:55 Not to defend anything, right? Right. I mean, it's rough. It's rough. I will say that not going to defend concentration or internment camps just to be clear. But he keeps popping up in our pod and like we can't ignore the synchronicity. Like I just don't know why FDR like, why are you haunting us? Like, where is this? You know, I don't know. It's almost like he's just like, he's been everywhere all over the United States. Yeah, like he was the president of our whole nation. It's like he toured and like maybe like did like some sort of campaign or something.

14:38 I don't know. It's weird. I don't know. I just keep hearing Mariah Carey. Seriously, you guys need to be obsessed with this. Clearly. Get a grived-done. But I can ignore it. Well, around the time of the old dog hood nameswap, the land that the present day, Columbia Gorge Hotel sits on, was the site of a lumber mill. And lumberjacks. The lumberjacks. Their friends in the pod too. And they actually made whiskey barrel staves, which is pretty cool.

15:22 Okay, so same war. Yeah, that's all I know about it. I just thought that was cool, like little fun facts that they made like the most of the barrel. No, it is. That's so cool. Yeah. It seems like, is that the only thing they did at that lumber mill? Like how many whiskey barrels are people going through here in the Pacific Northwest? I mean a lot. Obviously. In 1904, the Wagwin-Win hotel was built. The cute name comes from a nearby 207-foot waterfall. Gorgeous. And when I say nearby, I had no-- Did they build the hotel on top of it?

16:07 They literally did. It's in the backyard of the fucking hotel. I had no idea you guys when I went and I was wandering the grounds and then I walked the back. I saw the sign that said, "Wagwin-Win falls and it just had like an arrow." But I was like, "If it was a hike, they would have like the mileage." Yeah, they would. This fucking waterfall has to be like right there. And I was right there. I got pictures. It was so cool. I'm so excited to see the pictures. I should just like air drop them to your mouth. Yeah, do that. Okay. Right.

16:50 I wanted to stay the night, but I was like, "I can't drop that amount of money on one room for my soul for one night." It's so pretty. In the grounds, like there's so much more grounds like in the front. That's the back. There's cute little stone bridges and there's extremes and little places to sit and little trails. They got little duckies. It's so cute. It's so cute. There's a bridge and there's flowing waters. That's like the kind of hotel where you just like leave your window open all night and just listen. It's like the abbling brook. It is pretty.

17:30 And I kind of like, "Oh, I got a little ahead of myself because I was so excited to talk about the waterfall." So this is actually the Wagwin-Win hotel is not the building that's there now, but it was on this man. All of the grounds are the original design and all the trails and stuff are from the original. The original Wagwin-Win hotel. Wow. So that all stayed. It was a successful summer resort for 16 years until it was bought by Simon Benson for $400,000. Oh, okay.

18:11 And today's money would be $6,324,666. That's so many doll hairs. A lot of dollars. Dollars. Yes. Dollars. And then he tore it down. And... Oh no. So he tore that hotel down to build a new one of his own. One that was named after himself, of course. Yeah. The hotel Benson. You know, not the one in Portland. Is it why you're doing... Is there a Benson in Portland? There is, yeah. Not the same one. I don't know if it's the same guy. I didn't look into that. I would assume probably.

18:51 It's like that's not a super common name. He was like a wealthy dude. I mean, building hotels on the side of waterfalls in the show. I mean, it's possible. It's the same person, but I don't think so. I meant to kind of go down there, but I was like, I already did different routes. So much. Yeah. There's a lot. There's so much. This new hotel Benson was a popular place since its Grande opening. Oh. Ariana Grande, oh Grande. In June of 1921. Oh wow. I know. It's like almost June. Weird, right? Like I think this comes out in June. Yeah. So weird.

19:31 There's another weird little cute thing that... I don't know if I told you because I was like, we rescheduled this recording because I was feeling good. And I was like, I would do it for you. And I was like holding on to this really cute, fun fact I want to tell you. Like that was my bright spot. Like it'll hold. Yeah. So that's coming. Like just in a second. I'm just like, I can't stop. It's like Christmas and I'm telling you what I'm getting you. I'm so excited. You're like, you hear it and you're like, oh. No. So not only did FDR stay, but so did Coolidge. No, not Jennifer.

20:11 That was Calvin. That's so funny. I mean, I knew better because we're already talking about presidents, but I'm like, it'd be so much cooler if it was Jennifer. I know. I like basically read your mind before I even had to. Yeah. I know we all got excited. Are they? Are they related? Probably not. That would be interesting though. Yeah. We can explore that. Jennifer Coolidge for president. I would be so into that. Oh my god. Anyway, speaking of strong sexy women actresses, Claire Boe also stayed at the hotel.

20:56 And everyone should know who that is by now. Thank you, Taylor Swift. Do you know what is? Yeah, I think so. Because like I, I don't know. I immediately went and looked it up. I had no fucking clue who it was until I googled it. Oh. And she was like the first, like it girl. Oh. Okay. I think she was in silent films. Yeah. And she was like kind of like the first sexy, like Marilyn Monroe type. I think those type of actresses after her looked up to her. Okay. Okay. So pretty cool. My fun fact. Yes, her birthday. Is it July 29th?

21:38 It's July 29th. The 1905 dude. We're basically twins. I thought that was so cool. I saw that and I was like, I have to tell Caitlin. And your birthday is coming up. Yeah, it is. It's going to be lost in the shuffle this year. But we should just have a clear about celebration for you. Like an old, tiny, silent film party. Ooh. It's fucking cool. We can like, pencil or eyebrows on. It'll be great. I mean, I already do. Yeah, but like not like they used to.

22:18 That's the one line. Yeah, it's like one line. It's a straight line across your face. Yeah, yeah. Totes. Well, despite its popularity, the hotel couldn't withstand the depression. You know, a lot of people can't. Yeah. And in 1952, it was sold to new owners and became a retirement home. I mean, so. Fucking sign me up. I mean, yeah, it is nice, but it's gorgeous. Kind of crazy that it went from like a hotel like so lively in and all the same. Yeah. It's like a retirement home. True. Where it's like people just, you know, relaxing about and.

23:02 Yeah. I mean, it's a different vibe for sure. Definitely a gorgeous, gorgeous spot. Yeah. Yeah. And I also wonder how many people passed there since it was a retirement home. People there were are of. Natural passing age, you know, to put it. I just feel like probably they all like called their family and were like, hey, like. I just want to come and be at home with you. So I feel like probably no one. No one passed there. That's what I would say. I think maybe the Storks come and pick them back up. Yeah. Yeah. Also that's that probably they drop them off and then they pick back up when it's time.

23:45 Totally. Yeah. Yeah. After 1977, ownership changed a couple more times along with a lot of renovations because, you know, she's getting a third age a little bit until it finally reopened sometime around 2012 as the Columbia Gorge Hotel. Okay. And that's what it's known as today. Okay. It actually like I kind of did dig a little bit on this and it wasn't super clear with the dates like after 1977. They said renovation started but then like didn't actually say when it opened up again.

24:27 So I'm not really sure. It's just, if anyone else wants to, you know, take time to look it up for me. Be great. She did a lot of research and I'm kind of done with that phase. I mean, I googled when it opened and it wouldn't tell me. So I said, fuck off. I'm not adding it. Some of a bitch. I thought that did seem a little backwards though because like it had all the dates from like before that. Oh, yeah. You know, you think like records will like get a little better with time. I mean, to some degree, but I feel like sometimes they can be hard to find still.

25:07 Those records might exist in a number of forms or fashion. They just haven't like written a blog post about it. That was easily searchable on Google. Exactly. Exactly. I have to go sit through the archives. Yeah. Sit through all of the tax documents for properties, which is goals. Yeah. Someday I would love to have that kind of fucking time. Okay. I really would. Pretty time consuming. Give me more money. So I'm going to read a quote from the hotel's website. Ooh. Perched atop the majestic cliffs of the Columbia River, Columbia Gorge Hotel and Spa, who has wordy guest accommodations.

25:55 Facilities include our award-winning Simon's Cliff House restaurant and Valentino Lounge and outdoor terrace for dining or drinks, a meeting space to accommodate up to 130 guests. Wow. Okay. Which I think is their mind fall room. Okay. Yeah. We'll talk a little bit about that later. That makes sense. Yeah. And they do, I think they do weddings or two because they have like a whole outdoor. Who's going to find it? They have like a dance floor set up and like light like twinkle lights everywhere. I know. I did look at at least one venue in Hood River.

26:35 Oh, you did? Oh, you did. Yeah. I mean, we didn't go out and tour it, but it was like kind of on the sort of short list for places that we might go out and tour. But as far as location, like proximity to PDX, you know, as far as like, you know, for people coming in that are flying in because they do have a lot of people that are flying in the front. It is an hour east of Portland. Exactly. Yeah. So it's a tough one. I wanted to pick something close to Portland. We've got something we're really excited to share with you guys.

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28:40 One of the common occurrences here is like so gross to me. And I actually hope that it's not someone living because like it would just be so rude. You smell of cigar smoke. Yeah, I don't care for that. I wrote kind of icky. I wrote get the fuck out of here, but like GTF 008. It's like, get through. Get through. Get through. That's how I feel about cigar smoke. Yeah, it's pretty icky. It's pretty pungent. Yeah. Not a fan, especially like if you smoke a cigar and then like come home later, like fuck off, fuck right off.

29:21 Get out of my house. Are you speaking from experience? No, absolutely not. Okay. Anyways, moving on. Moving on. People think it could be someone who lived there when it was a retirement home. Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. Sogar smoking, you know, older men. That's all they got to do to hang out. Just smoke cigars and like play chess. I don't know. Peanuts. Peanuts, there you go. The paranormal activity mostly occurs on the third floor and the ballroom, which I assume is on the main floor. Okay.

30:01 There is reports. Actually, it's funny that I say that it occurs only on the third floor and the ballroom because you'll see why later. Is it funny or is it? It's just basically the entire hotel. Okay. Okay. Fine. There's reports of having a hard time getting some of the guest room's doors to open because somehow in an empty room, some of the furniture made its way over to lock the door. No. No. No. And I'm out. Or guests have called the front desk saying that they can't get out of their rooms and that the door seems barricaded.

30:49 No. No. No. So it's like it's either trying to get you to stay out of the room or trying to keep you in. Oh my God. I want to say I don't know which is worse, but I think trying to keep you in is so much worse. Yeah. That is worse. You can get out through the window like, ooh, just can you get out through the window? I mean, someone might have tried to do that. I hate that. I hate it. I don't like it at all. I'm so sorry. Several apparitions have been cited. A man wearing a classy old-timey fit.

31:33 Top hat most definitely included. Okay. And I don't think he's hat man. I think he's like a generally like nice, like not menacing shadow person. I think he's just like a nice old-timey ghost. Okay. Great. I think people said he's like helpful. Cool. Yeah. So it's like, I know what you're thinking. He's not hat man. He's not evil. I totally was thinking that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't black that out at all. We haven't really talked about hat man yet. Yeah. But I'm sure you've picked it up here in there. Yeah. I have a hat man story. Okay.

32:13 Great. I know. I'm so excited. I'm holding out on everyone. I'm so excited. I'm holding out on everyone. That's going to be like my bombshell moment of like, what? Everyone. You've always said that you haven't been haunted and then I drop this on on everyone's butt. Okay. Great. Yeah. Something like that. Cool. Terrifying. So I've said it before and I know I'll probably say it again, but are you even a haunted hotel if you don't have a lady in white? I mean, I don't feel like we need to put like strict labels or things on stuff.

32:56 They say that she died by suicide off of the balcony, which tragically. I'm not sure if it's sad. Like every lady in white story is how they died by suicide, which sucks, which is kind of why I said, ooh, we don't want to like go out the window because someone tried that and it didn't end very well. No, I mean, that's fair. I guess it's a balcony shouldn't jump out of her window like at the man race of, but I'm really glad that my dress isn't white white. Yeah, me too. If I'm being honest because then you have no chance of dying and being a lady in white. And it's, say, you're safe. You're good to go. Okay, great. There's actually, there's honeymoon stuff in here later.

33:42 Oh, yeah. For sure. For sure. Sorry. Just know I'm coming for you with the honeymoon stuff. I don't do it on purpose, just like you don't talk about dead animals on purpose. Yeah. Okay. A woman is also seen in room 330. I'm actually not sure if it's the same woman or not or if it's like two different women. The stories weren't super clear. Okay. And then we have Caitlin's favorite ghost, the child. Are we, we should start playing Ghost Bingo. Is that something another podcast does? I don't think so. It like kind of sounds familiar. Ghost Bingo.

34:22 Maybe we talked about it with Christina. I like, okay. Maybe we just do it because fuck it. Right. I think we can go to the same side. Bingo card with like the typical ghost and then mark them off. That sounds fun. Let's go. So the child ghost is seen, heard and felt around where the pool used to be. Felt? What the fuck does that mean? Little handsies. No, I have my own creepy little hand. Yeah. So I mean, you might feel some creepy hands that don't belong to you if you visit. It'll thank you.

35:03 So it does say where the pool used to be. I'm not sure where that was if it was like maybe where the spa is now because that's kind of like a building that looks like it could have been like kind of separate from the hotel and maybe a pool was in there. Okay. I'm not 100% or maybe it was the ballroom because that has like action. I'm not sure. They didn't tell me where the pool used to be. There's nothing not haunted. So everything is haunted. I swear to you, it's always like a kid at the pool, like a creepy kid at a creepy empty pool. Just it's not okay.

35:43 But like pools are the shit when you're a kid. So I kind of got it. Yeah. I might become an adult size ghost, a pool, who knows? An adult size child. What are you going to do? If you're a bit sensitive, you might feel increased energy in the building or feel like you're being watched. I feel like maybe it has to do with that flowing like waterfall too. All the energy. Yeah. Because that like, that might get energy. You know, like, yeah. What are those things with the dams? Is that how you get power with the rushing water with the dams?

36:28 Hydro. Hydro power. Some EVPs have been caught. Electronic voice phenomenon of a woman humming. I mean, that could just be me. I started humming a Christmas song. I don't know why. They also caught what sounds like shredding paper and knocking. No. No, the knocking has to stop. Okay. No. No. No. No. I like knocking.

37:09 I think that's fun. I've been watching a lot of ghost hunters different from ghost adventures. There's no Zach Baggins. So I've been watching ghost hunters and they do like a lot of knocking and like, yeah. They do this thing that is like kind of interesting to me where they, they go like a like tell, tell me your name and then they go a b c b e and then they like you're not the knock. Okay. And so like spelled out. I think it's really hard to write out. Yeah. So I'm like, what if it's like a delayed reaction and I'm like talking too fast. And they're like, no, I meant C, but they got all the way to E. I just don't seem to work out for the ghost hunters, but I don't know what it does.

37:55 We'd probably second guess ourselves. Yeah, we like. Well, it could be. Well, let's just get a Ouija board at that point. No, yeah. Just kind of. Okay. Now I have indigestion. Sorry. Oh my god. I'm going to have the burps so bad. I'll scare the burps back in. There's also unexplained temperature changes. I know that you would be very sensitive too. Yeah. I also read several different stories about the closet motion sensor lights turning on repeatedly for no reason.

38:45 So like the closets are either closed or they're like the doors are pulled over and you can see the light in there and it just keeps going off and like obviously no one's in the damn closet. I just feel like maybe it's still sensing you through the door. Like, that's, I'm going to chalk it up to that. Yeah. Yeah. Sensing you through the door. Yeah. Okay. Should we put that to the test? I'm really busy these days. So like we'll probably have to like, I don't know, we can get it like scheduled that for whenever.

39:26 Okay. Yeah. We got some debunking to do. I hate that. Some people who stand on the third floor say that they hear sounds of praying. That's not correct. Like praying. Like religious. Yeah, that's not right. Okay. Partying. Oh. Partying is very different from praying. I mean, I guess if you're like super into God praying is your party and our God. Yeah. I'm burning. Okay.

40:06 Some people who stay on the third floor say that they hear what sounds like people partying or walking around above them. But the third floor, that's the top, topiest of the floor. Yeah. There's nothing above them. Okay. So they shouldn't be hearing sounds of walking around or talking above, right above them. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Great. Shadow figures, orbs, whispers, child's fingerprints on mirrors.

40:47 Curtains moving by themselves when windows are completely closed and the AC is on. Too much. Too much. Too much. I don't like it. No. I wrote this one for Caitlyn. Great. Someone commented titled Honeymoon form Hell. So don't go here for your honeymoon, Caitlyn. Okay. I'm going to drop that idea. a while back. But all right. Let's go. The newlyweds were staying on the second floor and one of them started randomly feeling sick right when they got inside the room.

41:32 Great. I mean, it couldn't just be because you're, you know, just tied to someone the rest of your life for the rest of your life. There's no escape. The old ball and chain. And I'm actually going to quote the rest of their comment. All these comments are from OregonHauntedHouses.com. Ooh. One of my common sources for the comments. The room got super hot. I felt like throwing up instantly. I remember seeing bloody faces of a woman and man outside our window. That escalated quickly.

42:12 You know that's like my kryptonite, right? Like being really hot out of nowhere. Yeah. I hate that. But like, seeing bloody faces, that's like whatever. Oh, I mean, yeah, that's probably annoying too. But like being too hot is my nightmare. The thing about this is they go, they, they say seeing bloody faces casually and then go on to say, quote, while sleeping, I felt like I had something pushing, pressing my body into the bed, a dark presence sitting on my chest. Like how did you go to sleep after your seeing bloody faces outside the window? I don't know.

42:54 Not trying to victim shame. No, but yeah, I, not a lot of sleep in happening for me after that. It was like someone had opened an evil portal in that room like a Ouija board was used. Many dark spirits in that room. Great. Thank you. We didn't stay the two nights. We left by 10 a.m. the next morning. Yeah. I bet, I bet. Goods even worse. I went directly to the hospital. I thought I was going to die. They gave me a shot of penicillin in my rear. Oh, my God. What's penicillin before?

43:36 Like an, that's actually, an avaiant. Yeah. Yeah. Damn. So like they were actually sick. Something was not right. Do you really get penicillin in your butt? I mean, that's, they can do it that way. Well, they chose to. Yeah, they chose to. That was a choice. They go on to say it was the sickest I've ever been in my life. Sick are two weeks. I am already sensitive to the spiritual realm. There is some bad energy there for sure. I would never go back. I have seen and heard good and bad spirits in my life. You go there looking for evil.

44:18 You might just find it. No joke. Okay. They should do a ghost adventure there if they haven't already. Oh, my God. I'm willing to take their word for it. Like I don't need to experience it because I'm also afraid of needles. So yeah, I mean, I would like to see Zak Bagans go there though. Well, yeah, let him get a shot of penicillin up his butt. I mean, in his butt cheek, you get it. You know what? Just, yeah. I'm not about that life. This was from 2006. So it's possible that like the energy is cleared up by now. Not really sure.

44:59 It's kind of a long time ago. Yeah. Do you see how quickly she starts negotiating? Seriously? It was just 2006, you know? It was like so many years ago. Zach Begins hasn't even been there. So it's probably not that haunted. I did chat. As far as I know, I didn't find an episode. Okay. Someone else staying on the second floor commented that they had a very quote odd and vivid dream of a black mass next to the bed. When the mass started to smoke and catch the room on fire, they startled awake, horrified.

45:42 In the morning, they noticed that a Bible that I assume probably should have been in the drawer was out on the nightstand. And that happened to be exactly where the black mass was in their dream. Okay. Great. So I was like, oh, is this like a sleeping mask? Cause like I use those, you know, you put the mask on your eyes and you just like fall asleep. Not a mask. It's a mask. A black mask. Oh no. Okay. Well, I don't use those. Yeah. Healing in. I know. I know. I try to clear them. Oh no. Oh. So I think of like a shadow person, but like shapeless.

46:28 But I have a good theory about this. So in the dream, the black mass was like catching fire. So maybe the Bible was like getting rid of it and protecting this person. Oh, maybe. Yeah. That's what I'm going to go with. Okay. Cause yeah, that's better than I think. Well, then I should be fine. Cause I was like baptized. So, you know, right. Yeah, you're totally fine. You're just going to just burn all the black masses you come into contact with. Okay. Great. Oh no. There were also several different commenters relating stories of sleep paralysis in the middle of the night.

47:11 And someone or something sitting on the bed. Like they see the indents, they feel the sheets tugging like the bed dipping down one person said they physically like rolled towards where the dip was. Great. Yeah. One of them said upon checkout, the hotel randomly gave them $150 gift certificate for their next time. And they thought we had all the time to back on. Yeah, right. Well, they thought that was kind of odd because they never really complained about anything. Yeah.

47:51 And they later found out that the hotel sometimes blocks off sections if they're having a lot of paranormal activity in the room was right next to a blocked off area. So I don't know if they actually do that or if they still do that. That was this commenter's experience. Okay. But they're like, here, maybe you probably experienced some shit here, the $150. Come back. Yeah, please come back. Come back. Great. If you want to give me your gift card, I'll go back. I'm a bag. She says. Also, I have no clue if they still do this, but I thought it was kind of cute. I found a little advertisement in October of 2016.

48:36 The hotel had awake the dead Halloween party. And in the advertisement, it said it's their annual Halloween celebration in Hood River's own haunted hotel. Hontos. That'd be cool if they still do that. Yeah, that'd be fun. I have no idea. Yeah. And then drive home. You don't want to stay? They got your favorite black masses. Yeah, I think I'm good. I actually talked to someone who stayed there. Oh, my friend Jessica and she said, she didn't see the ghost. Whatever. Okay. But they had a haunted tour for guests when she stayed. I had fun.

49:17 They told them about it at check-in and had a little tour going for some of the guests who were interested. And I was like, I had no idea. So now when we stay, I'm definitely going to be like, where's this tour? Do you see that when we stay? When? When we stay? Well, so we're going to go with. Let's have a Patreon giveaway and whoever wins gets to stay with Casual and Hoodel. That might work. That might work. Yeah. We'll see. We'll see. Well, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

49:57 Stick to it. It's actually another haunted hotel in town. Oh, but I'm going to save that for a little Patreon bonus. Ooh. Yeah. I love that. We'll talk about that one a little bit later with our creepy Patreon people. All right. But for now, do you want to move on to some tarot? Tarot. You ready to like stop talking about the ghost? That was actually kind of a scarier one than they have been recently. Yeah. That one, I don't know. I thought I was building like a little bit of like a taste for the spooky and that one challenged me.

50:39 Yeah. I mean, that's not as scary as I could go. Yeah. No, I know. I mean, it's not a challenge. Challenge accepted. No. No. All right. Let's tarot up. All right. Okay. I'm drawing a card now. She's drawing a card now. So we got the four of swords and that we do. It is a little ghost sleeping on a cloud. It's very cool. And it's like, you're at a hotel and what do you do?

51:22 You sleep on their cloud like bed and then the ghost sits on the bed. It matches. That's it. We don't even need to read it. Well, the key words are rest recuperation, retreat, solitude, introspection and recovery. That is interesting. It was like a summer retreat. It was a retirement home. Yeah. It's like a destination hotel. Yeah. You're not staying there on business. Probably you're staying there. I'm not relaxed. There's a spa. A spa. Yes. We should just go there for the spa.

52:04 Yes. Please. Okay. 4’s symbolize stability. This card represents withdrawing and resting in order to get your bearings after a time of trouble. Some decks show a night lying down, recuperating after an inner or outer battle. Battle with the black mask. Maybe. And we drew this in the upright position. We did. Okay. Often this card means you've been through a period of difficulty and now feel the need for introspection and solitude.

52:48 You're examining what you've experienced, trying to understand what it all means. So you can plan for your future. This is the comb after the storm card. Sometimes it shows you're starting to recover from a physical injury or illness. Hmm. Wasn't that one guy sick? I don't know if it was a guy or a girl writing it, but. Yeah. The married couple. The honeymoon from home. Yeah. Interesting. Plus I do think of with it having been sort of a retirement facility, you think about there might be instances where maybe somebody is not recovering enough to necessarily return to living as like a single individual, but maybe regaining their strength.

53:45 Okay. In reading about money, the upright for urges caution in discrimination. Maybe you need to separate yourself from a financial issue. This card can also suggest you feel overwhelmed by financial burdens and need a rest. The depression. Yeah. And the hotel took a rest too, because remember we talked about it being like lively and then it was a retirement home. Yeah, that's a really good point. If the reading is about your job, you probably feel burned out at work and need a vacation. So this is about a hotel.

54:26 I feel like that blinds up pretty perfectly. After a period of stress, confusion or difficulty, you may be sorting things out, clearing your head and regaining your strength. Oh my gosh, that's like literally the exact words I used. Yeah. Like a sentence ago. In reading about love, the for upright can mean carving out some time for yourself. Ooh, carving out like a waterfall through the cliff. Yeah. Literally. Challenges in a relationship may have left, may have left you feeling drained or discouraged.

55:08 Look within to discover your true needs and how you can restore balance. There's an extra excerpt here. Okay. Find clarity from doubt. In introduction to tarot, Susan Levitt writes, "Unfortunately, the mind is too often filled with worry, doubt and fear." More the mind absorbs information that has little to do with the soul's inner workings. To counteract this, she recommends meditation, yoga, deep breathing, chanting, prayer, long walks and baths.

55:51 A spa? I know. Honestly, that just sounds like the perfect kind of retreat or vacation. Yeah. And there's a lot of space to walk around the land they are there. What was it saying about like? Yeah. Okay. So I'll read this again. It says, "Unfortunately, the mind is too often filled with worry, doubt and fear." That's what I was thinking of. Yeah. So like, you know, it's probably not that haunted. You shouldn't worry about it or fear it. You should just go and relax the spa. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

56:32 Yeah. I think that's the only difference. That's what the tarot said. Uh-huh. It was in 2006, Caitlin. Uh-huh. Yeah. I'm not sure that's what the tarot was saying, but I guess we shall see. How many types of ghosts were there? There was a dude, a woman, a child and a black mass. Yeah. I feel like lady in white also is sort of a separate archetype. Did I not say that? Yeah, the lady. You said like a woman. Yeah. I feel like a woman versus a lady in white. Oh, right out. To me. I guess there was technically like maybe two women, but I was going to count in them the same.

57:14 But yeah. Yeah. It seemed like there was like four-cut two. There. No, no, no. A few. Well, uh, we're drinking some CBD water. Oh, yeah. I almost forgot. Yeah. Sh. Tasty. Lavender mint. Yeah. I think it's it. Lavender mint. Yeah. Lavender mint lemonade. It's purple. It's pretty. It's from rogue. Yeah. She pretty. She tasty. Tastes like straight CBD. Mm-hmm. It's really good. I don't think CBD. I think maybe sometimes it has a little bit of a flavor, but the CBD can't taste it.

57:54 No, I don't think so. Should we sign it off? Let's sign it off. All right. Have a creepy ass day. See you next Tuesday. See you next Tuesday. Unless you're at a spa. Yeah. And then maybe we'll see you sooner because that'd be fantastic. Yeah. Watch out for them black masses. I don't care for the troubles. How could you?

58:39 I don't know. She's like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Just look at her. Nothing to add to that. Like, just, the bit is done. (laughs) pnwhauntsandhomicides.com