Ghosts of the Delaney House

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Well, Daniel Delaney is here. We believe Mr. Edward is here. I remember him. I could feel his presence.

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He was a very strong presence in life and he's a very strong presence after life.

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Boys wore this beatable hat and a beatable jacket. And many people have seen that spirit walk

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across the porch or up the staircase in the other room. And little kids who are sensitive to it,

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who are like, "I'm staring at me." And then it's like, "Hey!" And they say, "What does he look at?"

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It was worn as pulled out and baggy jacket. It's like the same guy.

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Hi, Caitlyn. Hi, Cassie. Hi, creepy people. Hello! If you're new to our creepy corner of the world,

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this is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where me and Caitlyn usually chat about true crime, the paranormal,

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and all things spooky in the Pacific Northwest. It's the PNW, if you're nice.

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And we do tarot rating at the end of every episode for a little deeper insight into our topic.

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We don't have our cameras on for the intro, but don't you worry, because you will see us on

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Location, on on scene, on the site. The scene of the crime.

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And the scene of literally the scene of the crime. Like actually literally.

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Yeah. So we are visiting our topic for the day, and we took our cameras with us, and we did a couple

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interviews, and cut two. So we're here on Location. Obviously, this isn't the pod studio.

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No. And we have kind of a secret guest with us, who prefers not to be on camera.

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They are here. We're here with Vicki, who owns the Delaney House in Salem.

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It's an Airbnb. It's available for rent. Is it rent? Is that what you call it? What do you call it?

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Yeah, I guess. Temporary rent. What does that call it?

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It's literally it's just called for rent.

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Totally. And we're not called for talent.

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But anyway, you can stay here if you want, if you're brave enough.

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We do have some interesting history with this house. You want to go ahead and start by telling us

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a little bit about it, a little bit about how you got the house.

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Well, we were looking for a house up here in Salem, and the house that we had found fell out of

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escrow. So we decided to come up here personally. We were in California and look for something.

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And this house went on sale the day we came up. Oh, wow.

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And it was the last house that we looked at, and I went, yes, let's do the paperwork now.

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It was clearly meant to be. If fully restored house, it took some 10 years to restore this house.

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They moved it 100 yards from next door, brought it over here.

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And it's just had such a good feeling to it, and I felt like I was going to get part of history.

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So yeah. So we got it that night. The day it went on sale.

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Wow. After 10 years of being restored. So I felt like it was meant to be.

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There was no like bidding war. You weren't fighting anybody else for the house. No one else wanted it.

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They took it. Oh, wow. That's amazing.

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It was like just hours and we got the house. So I think there was surprise somebody to get so quick.

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But yeah. So I guess it was meant to be.

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The person who built the house, Daniel Delaney, he was one of the original Oregon pioneers,

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came up to Oregon Trail in 1843. He got a big land grant. And so that took him up here to turn her

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what this was turn her back in the day. And he brought his three sons and his wife. And he,

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unfortunately, brought his slave with him too. But in Oregon, you are not a slave. But

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they didn't really want anybody of color here either. So she was their housekeeper.

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Yeah. I mean, that's come up on the podcast a couple of times before.

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Yeah. And I really hate that part of the story except that I want to believe. And that's the feeling

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that I get when I throw this out here into the house and the spirits that are here that Rachel,

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Neumann's Rachel, Belden, and she, I just think that she just made the best of a really weird,

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bad, uncomfortable situation. Women had women, all of color and women had no rights back then.

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Yeah. And I think she took the situation and decided, I'm going to make the best of this. She became

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the woman of the house. Daniel D'Lini's wife Elizabeth went, I'm not, I don't want to

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to deal with this. And so she moved away. She moved into her son, David's house, which was across the

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field. And basically it was just Daniel and Rachel and eventually their two sons. Oh, lived here.

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Okay. And then she no longer wanted to live here at some point and moved out and took her sons with

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her. And that kind of brings it to the bad reason that we're kind of here is you got shot with a

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shotgun. They broke into the house. They broke all the doors. They went up in the attic and they

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did find approximately $1,500 with a gold, which they took with them. And most of it they got back

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after afterwards the family did get them money back. That's the history of the house. And then

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it belonged to a couple of different families. And then the Edwards family were the last ones that

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owned it. So if you look it up on the historical registry, it is the Delaney Edwards house.

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Okay. I was wondering where the Edwards came in. They owned the house for a very long time.

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And what I give them credit for is there's a picture over there. Ethel and Lawrence. Lawrence

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belonged to the he was a farmer here. And he decided that he wanted to build a big house. Well,

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here you're not supposed to have two full size houses on the same property. Oh, really? Yes. So he's

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belonged to the volunteer fire department and Turner. And he decided he was just going to have the

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house burned out and then he'd build a new house. Ethel found out about that and said, no, this house

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is too important historically. Yeah. She did all the paperwork and it's a book, this big of stuff that

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she had to do to get it on the historical registry. Oh my god. It's not easy. So Ethel saved the house.

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So this house was going to be burnt down. Yeah. Wow. It's here now. It's still standing. So you said

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it moved from its original location. Was it still on the same property? Yeah. The it was right behind us.

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100 yards over. There's a white house over there. And the barn that's over there actually was built by

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Daniel Delaney. They did not move the barn. Oh, I wish they had. I'd love to go over there. And you

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don't own that. Oh, okay. Separate property is now interesting. So so the barn is still there.

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And it sat out on basically out on the road right out here on Delaney Road. So the road Delaney

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Road was staying up again. It's so cute. It's themed. Yeah. So we want to point out really quick. There is

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what's this called again? EMS reader on the table. Just chill in just in case anyone wants to come

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and say hi or more than welcome to come and say hi. We were recording a podcast. Don't be scared by all

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the lights and equipment. We're very nice. So you can come hang out. There is a lovely offering of

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Jack Daniels. Who is this for Zoe? This was for Mr. Daniel Delaney. Daniels got it. Okay, so we

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have some flashlight, some mag lights set up. You know how they ghost hunters do it. And uh, oh,

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is that it going off right now? Oh, so it's been going off. So we have a couple of fun things.

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We have a Wow pendulum. Thank you. Pinch will come here. So if you see it crazy swinging. I mean,

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we could bump the table. But ask the guys. They're interested in letting us know they're here. If you

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want to let us see toys. There's the flashlight. There's the MF meter and there's a pendulum there.

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If they're interested, they all they have to do is touch them. You're more than welcome. Don't be shy.

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If you don't want to teach you, that's fine. It's really fine. Okay. So speaking of ghosts,

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is there ghosts here because we're kind of hinting around this topic. Okay. You've had some experiences

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here. I have had some experiences. I think the most fun one that we have is that our dog that

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had when we moved here, Max, he passed away a few years back. Right afterwards, we started

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feeling things and hearing things because Max himself saw spirits. He would, he'd be walking through a

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room and he would stop. Look and he'd wag his tail and he'd walk over and he'd lean on the air

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and just was the cutest little thing and he'd lean on the air. And he'd just be like he's getting scratch.

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And he'd, you know, just that that way that dogs are when you're petting them and then

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and then he'd stop and he'd look over and then it's like he'd follow them with his eyes and be

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wagging his tail and they'd be gone. So I think he had a friend here and I just think he's saved. I

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don't know if it's because of us. Or if he just maybe he's here with his friend. Yeah. Whatever it was,

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we don't know, but he did that all the time. He was constantly seeing someone, you know. So

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he was seeing another person. Now he's on the same side as them. But now he is. But yeah, but people

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feel him, you know, like he'd put his head on your lap or he had really long fingernails or toenails

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that we could never figure out. Clickety claps. Clickety clickety. And he'd shake his ears and you know,

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this little clap sound. So, you know, it's, it was very specific to him and he and our other dog,

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all I have all of our only ones that have ever been here and Oliver doesn't do any of the same things.

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No, very specifically all our max behaviors. Wow. Interesting. But I so I love hearing stories about

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like little spirit animals, ghosty dogs. Well, Daniel Delaney is here. We believe Mr.

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Skare. And we're right into it. Mr. Edwards is here. I've had a lot of people just stop by.

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I when I first moved here, we would go to the, I'd go to the front door and somebody would be like,

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hi, I used to live in this house. Can I come in and you're like, yes, you know, and they'd want to see

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and then they'd have stories to tell me. You're very brave. It's going to stand. And yes,

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is the response. Okay. All right. And but I've learned a lot and I've had quite a few people say,

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oh yeah, Mr. Edwards. I remember him. I could feel his presence. He was a very strong presence

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in life and he's a very strong presence after life. Boys wore this beatable hat and a beatable jacket.

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And many people have seen that spirit walk across the porch or up the staircase in the other room.

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And little kids who are sensitive to it, to like, man staring at me. And it's like, okay, you know,

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and they say, what is he look at? It was worn as old hat and a baggy jacket. It's like same guy.

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And we thought it was Daniel Bellany, but I've had quite a few people kind of confirm that it

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seems to be one's Edwards. Oh, that is very good to know. Like, have a little bit of a distinction

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between all the ghosts. Well, it's hard to tell, you know, sometimes you'll get voices. I've heard

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voices say hello to me. I've heard a man's voice say my name in my ear. Well, when we do

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paranormal investigations, the same group comes a lot and they have, they come kind of connected.

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The one woman does automatic writing and sometimes she'll, she stays connected. One, she's not even

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here and she'll sit down beforehand and say, you know, is there anything you want me to talk about

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or is there anything you want us to do? Anybody you want here and she'll just sit at home and write

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in her notebook. Wow. And then read it later and then, you know, try to remember to bring it back.

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They're very interesting. They're spirited conversations in the name of the group. Oh, that's cool.

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When they are here, they're like an antenna. Stuff just happens, you know, when they're in the room.

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And I feel like if they're here a lot and they're not disrespectful and making, you know,

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making things angry, not provoking. If they're nice, like, I feel like that would make the ghost want

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to talk to them more. Yeah. And they respect them and they ask them questions, you know, what can we do

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for you? And Daniel Bellany's only had one big request that he wants a photograph of himself

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in this house. Oh, I can't find one. And I said, well, then Daniel, if you want a photograph,

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please tell them where I can find one. Yeah. And happy to go get one. I've had a lot of different people

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searching the internet and searching all of the records and there's just no photos of him.

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No, not even after a big trial, you would have thought that somebody would have put his photograph

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with the murderers or whatever. Huh. In the newspaper. There was in the newspapers.

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I just had a thought of like, if you can't find one, you should get one of those like criminal people

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to like sketch him. Like, like, get jargons. Like, is there a description of what he looks like? Or a psychic.

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Would you like a psychic jargon? Would you like me to show you that that we did? You did that?

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Wait, what? Yes. Maggie and Sherry that come here, they also help solve

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closed cases and cold cases. And they work with a gentleman who is a sketch artist. And they sat

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and they worked on trying to get a good visual of what they looked like in their heads and then describe

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it to them. That's really cool. So I said, well, why did they show themselves as young? And

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what Maggie said was that most of the time, most spirits will show you themselves as how they felt

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the best in their life. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. That is so cool. I can't believe I said that

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and then you just happen to have a picture of it. That's as close as they can come to what the,

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that's Rachel and Elizabeth, his wife was not very happy when we brought that into the house.

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Wow. We had, yeah, she had some words. She left. But she had some words to say to one of our ladies,

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I guess, though. Oh, wow. She was not happy about that at all. So we do a tea party when we do our

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spirit galleries here. We have everybody sit around and then we do a say on what I serve everybody tea.

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Oh, that's so fun. And a few years ago, Maggie was at a good will or some kind of a thrift store.

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And she hears voices. So she was walking along looking at some of the dishes and the lady goes,

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yeah, that's her mind dishes. And she's like, okay, yeah, that was right there. She does now. Now you need

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to get those glasses. And she goes, now, do you, I don't understand why are the glasses not on

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the same place as the dishes? So yeah, to go to the other aisle and you can get the plates. So you

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need to go over it. So take off, take the cups. Now you need to go and this lady is just telling her

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what to do. And so she's like, okay, so she goes over the next aisle and sure enough, she found the

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matching plates. And not a lot. It was just like two cups and a couple of plates, like four plates.

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And that's it. And she at least said, all right, well, okay, you take good care of those, all right?

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Like, okay, and she goes to take a man her husband, like, why do you have that mismatched bunch of dishes?

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She'll tell you later, I was told to and I'm just going to listen to her. So she took them home,

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put them in a box and they just sat at her house for a long time. And so when we decided to do this,

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she goes, I think I need to bring you some dishes. So she brought them over and she talked to the lady

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while she was here and the lady is with them. And she said, I just wanted you to know that I brought

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them here. We're going to be using them. You know, it's in a family home. And I thought you'd like

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that. And she said, the lady said that was good. So I had a shelf in there in my China cabinet. And

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I put them in there. And when we when we were sitting here talking, we heard,

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we were suddenly giving around in there. So I think she was getting settled and maybe looking around.

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Both Maggie always gets this cup and the sauce.

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Oh, that is so cool. Can I in my lot of hold it?

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So this is one of the haunted dishes. Yes. And I don't know. I don't know who's it is. I mean,

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I don't know the lady's name. I don't know that she ever got her name. So it was like a spirit telling

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her to collect her dishes and like take care of them, like save them from the antique store.

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Yeah. She didn't like them being at an antique store. That makes sense. I would, you know,

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and they weren't together. She just didn't like they weren't together. Yeah.

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Lights and the saucers just weren't together. Oh, well, it doesn't make any sense.

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Of course. Love be upset. I don't know. Do you want to? No, I just want to let me hand Kate

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let a haunted object. You guys did you? Did you?

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The paint the drawing wasn't haunted. That had good. No, I know. I'm just afraid of the drops.

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That was just me. We do smell cigar smoke a lot. And we don't smoke. So that usually tells us

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that Daniel the lady is around. That is something that a lot of people that come will bring a cigar

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and the whiskey like oh sure we did. And even if we don't give a lot of response from it,

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it's a very positive feeling. You know, it's like, great. He's happy. Yeah. He's happy.

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So I did have one question before we keep moving on. So just to like set the record straight.

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You because you've had a couple it sounds like spooky experiences, but you don't have a bad feeling

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here. We kind of talked about it earlier. Like tell us about the vibe here. I have never honestly had

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any negative feelings here. And with all of the different sayances and spirit galleries and

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paranormal investigations, with the exception of one person hearing that the ghost didn't want them

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to go in our attic. Never really had anything negative. And I don't know why the attic.

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Most people don't try to go in the attic. I would try to go in the attic. Yeah.

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And I've had people go up there and place like small items that maybe would, you know, roll or,

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you know, like a toy car or a marble or something. Just to see if they can get some movement.

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And nothing's really happened. And one group apparently, you know, had somebody, you know, say,

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no, they ask of they go in the attic. Oh, they just didn't. So, you know, respect. Okay. I'm glad that

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they didn't try to go. I have always felt welcomed. Right. When I first moved here, a woman would,

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I quite often, right here in the morning go, good morning. You know, so I always felt pretty welcomed.

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You know, I think that's probably because you like came in and you just had a good vibe about this

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place and wanted to save it and treated it well. Treat, treat, treat, treat,

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trot it well. That's what I was trying to say. Trot it well. Treat it well. I don't know. I can't speak.

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We do have Daniel Delaney's chair that he built in 1843 and his upstairs. It tends to rock by itself

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from time to time. We got it from a member of the Edwards family who the chair had been donated

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to the Salem old folks home. And then when that place closed down, they gave it back to the Delaney

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house, which was then owned by the Edwards family. So it was here in the house for a really long time.

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And when they sold the house, it went to different family members and different family members just

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had it in their house. And they kept a little plaque that was on it that said that it was built from a

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piece of wood from this farm by Daniel Delaney and it has to date and everything. But the first time I

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put it up there, we had guests walk up there and it was just rocking. And the lady's like, well,

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I think maybe my husband's here or whatever. And so she was laughing about it. So I want to go upstairs

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and witness it rocking. I don't know whether Daniel upstairs. We have a half that tends to fall off

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the hook that's up there. That happens a lot only once that anybody ever see it happen.

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Well, it's just up there and it's on the floor. And then I hang it back up and then it's on the floor.

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Is that like an antique hat or is it? It's not an antique hat and maybe that's why it just doesn't fit.

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I can really don't want it. But there was a vintage band group up there one time that completely freaked out

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because they were like, oh, they heard this hat sometimes and it hit the ground and they went,

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oh, no, they ran out of the stairs. Oh, my gosh. They never did that. But I tease them all the time when I say

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them. I know what you did. So only one time has it been seen. But there's the SLS cameras,

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catch people dancing upstairs in the bathtub. In the bathtub? I thought that was so interesting.

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Was that always bathroom? I assume it was. They're not like moving around bathrooms in old houses

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probably. No, I think it probably was. But again, when they built this in 1845 or yeah, 1845,

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there was no inter plumbing. Oh, so I don't know. That makes sense. Maybe that was something else.

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Yeah. A dancing room. I'm very big. I don't know. But anyway, that happens. And if you play music and set

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one of the SLS cameras up, if you play any kind of music, they will tend to, figures will appear.

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Any kind of music. So like, you know, like boots with the fur.

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Well, I like the window to the wall. We can put my phonograph in there. One of those

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play a little song. We're hoping that new acquisition of mine with the record player will. Yeah.

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We'll make them happen. You put it on earlier and it sounds beautiful. Did you hear the old? I think so.

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Yeah. Phonograph is on the rich. Yeah, they're called phonographs. A lot of people have seen

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a black woman and a little boy with a stuffed bunny, which is we're oddly specific. But

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different people that didn't know anybody else had seen that because it's not like written down anywhere.

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Right. From that back bedroom and into here. And then just from that back bedroom and into here.

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So residual energy. That's what I've been told that is. And it's pretty much the same for everybody.

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It's just the same thing, like a really busy black woman with a little boy behind her holding

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the stuffed bunny, like trying to get her attention. So she's busy. He's trying to get her to

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and it's just back and forth, which makes me think that that was their bedroom. Yeah.

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Rachel and her children. That was her bedroom back there. Yeah, because you said that back bedroom

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a lot of childlike things happen in there and you kind of filled it with toys and stuff.

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Well, and we have we have children in here. We have spirits that are children. I've seen on the

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S. All those camera people reach out and like they patty cake and do things. But it's all really

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it feels you know, it feels good. You know, nobody's ever been scared by it. Yeah. And you said that

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no children have died here. And you don't think that they're actually just like spirits of children

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who've died here, but maybe spirits of children who have come back here to play. It was like good

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memories for them. Possibly. Yeah. There's no way to really know that part. That's what we're all

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trying to figure out. I know exactly. But we know that there are children here, which is kind of nice

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to know. Yeah. So if you feel some heat tug on your leg or some, they just want to get your attention

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so you can play with them. Yeah. And I think so we brought some candy too for like the children. So

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we have a couple offerings. Oh, the doors lock from the inside. Yeah. I have a little room in there

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that the door lock from the inside and my husband had to break the lock to get us in there. We had no

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way of being able to get in there. It wasn't a key lock. It was the lock that you turn from the inside.

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Oh, yeah. The door was locked. Like how would it do that? That's so bizarre. We call exactly

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that question. That's it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's no way to do that. Those stories always dump

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me because we've come across it a few times where it's like the door was locked from the inside. And

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like remember that one where the safe was like moved? We're like, how did the safe move from the inside

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room? It's very, it's weird. Stuff like that is so strange to me. I mean a lot of the stuff that

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here is the same kind of stuff that happens everywhere. You get a bumper, a scratchy noise or

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you know, we did have one group come here and someone demanded that we get an orange cat

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that they want an orange cat very badly. And that's on video with their ovulus.

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They're very, and they're like long hair, orange. Wow. I would be happy. Oh, please.

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You know, these, and it's so we think it was a child. They got the name Edwards out of it. So it

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seems like it's maybe a child from the Edwards family or maybe it's an adult.

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Well, did you get them a cat? I have not gotten them a cat. But I did promise.

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If they're working on my doorstep. The cat distribution system. We're waiting on it. That's right.

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Yeah. So it's like those are going to start dragging some cats. We get a cat go by a cat. We have to

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wait for it to show up. That's how cat things work. Right. There's a couple pieces of the house that

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are original. Like the wall, the wood piece in the bedroom with the writing all over it.

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And then the carving in the window. Can you tell us about those couple of things?

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I don't know much about the one in the bedroom except that I know it's from probably children because

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adding and subtracting and signatures. Yeah. And you've kind of preserved. Did you put the

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plexiglass over it? I did not. Oh, people who restored the house. They preserved that and kind of

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like paint it around it. Yeah. And there's another one in the other room you can look at too. And it's

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got just names like names of people and their dates and stuff. Not like measuring heights or anything

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like that. Yeah. It seemed kind of random. Not really sure. It does. Yeah. And then David Delaney,

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apparently when they first moved here, he scratched his name into the window, which I'm quite sure

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he got in trouble for because windows would have been very, very precious. I can't believe it's still

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it's still here. I got a really good picture of it. I'm very proud of the people who did the

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restoration to make sure they saved as many original things as they could. They did a good job

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because this house was very 70s looking. It had drywall and wallpaper and wood siding on top of

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everything. They dropped down to the original. Okay. So the house and put it back together. So they

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moved a few things around. But for the most part, it does look a lot more like the original house

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than it would have with all of that. We're in 67. Right. It was a show. I was just going to say

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a shag. And what are they? Beautiful. And the wall. The pattern on the walls, the accent. I know

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what's called. It's the beams. The wall. Yeah. The original wall. They replaced what they had to,

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but they left as much original stuff as they could. And what they didn't use is all in our garage.

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So we still have. Oh, wow. That's nice. Pieces of history. Is this fireplace original?

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The fireplace is the mantle is not. Oh, for the brick parties. Even a rich person that owned a farmhouse

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would never have have anything. I just was looking at that. I was like, oh, that's like marble, but the

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but the brick part is the brick part is I'm thinking this was probably the kitchen. And they

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put on that. Oh, remember what year it was. Yeah. 18 some years ago. Okay. So that was probably that's

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why the hook is theirs. Right. I was going to say the pots aren't real. I mean, those they're not

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old, but yeah, but you could be idea. Yeah. And then this is part of the original house. He said

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there were what are the additions? The addition would be that kitchen and the it was called the utility

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room that's in the back. And then they attached it to the carriage house, which is original and was

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separate. Oh, okay. All the horses in on the carriage. Right. They would keep the horses in there.

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After Daniel Delaney was almost killed then his son built that second half. So in 1865, that was built.

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Well, is there anything else you want to add? Any pieces of history that you think are cool or

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details about the house that are your personal favorite? The living room. That's where I go in the

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morning and I have coffee and it feels nice. Yeah. It's a very welcoming, comforting kind of a place.

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So yeah, that are out on the porch. Something about a wrap around. There is. Yes.

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Yes. From porch. It's yeah, it's hard to beat that classic dreams. We love it.

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Well, thank you so much for giving us all this info, letting us come and hang out in the Delaney house

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and talk about ghosts and because some people don't like it when the when the ghosts are a part of their,

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you know, home or hotel or history of an area, but you definitely embrace it.

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Yeah. I guess a lot of people believe everything they see in horror movies and they think that

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anything that they don't understand or can't see is going to be scary or dangerous and I don't

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think that that's the case at all. See, it's not scary. Not in my, not in my experience.

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So you can still come and stay here even if you don't want to meet ghosts or anything. It still has

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good vibes. Yeah. Very nice. And oh, just one more thing. I love you decorated the crap out of this

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place. It is so cool. You have little details of antiques and like little creepy things all over

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the place and it's so cool. I think it's worth it just to stay here to just come and look at all of

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the little details that you put out. A lot of people say they wish they had another day just to look

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at them. Yes. Yeah, there's so much. I don't know how we're ever going to get footage of it all,

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but we're going to try. So we're still at the Delaney House with Zoe who is a paranormal investigator.

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Yeah. It's weird having that be my job title now. I'm so used to just scare actor and add on

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paranormal investigator right underneath that. I love that. That's been my dream forever and now I'm

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going around telling people like I'm going to be a ghost hunter because now I know a ghost hunter

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friends. So that's basically going to be my full-time job. Absolutely. Okay, this is the question I always

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ask. So I feel like ghost hunter has a little bit of a negative connotation. Do you prefer

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paranormal investigator? Do you still say ghost hunter? You know, I'm using both interchangeably.

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I understand, you know, it's like hunting ghosts. You know, when people think of that, they think

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of ghost musters. And it's like. Or Zach Begins. Or is it? Oh my god. Ghost provoker demon provoker?

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Or do you mean provoker? All love and respect. But it is like you do you, bro, but it's the most fake

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thing that I've ever seen. I know. I have like a love hate. Well, I like love hate watch it. It's

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kind of funny entertainment for me, but I still do, you know, watch it because they made a show

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at the end of time where like not a bunch of people, you know, paranormal shows. Yeah, it kind of

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made people aware that this was a thing that people did. Yeah. Instead of just like filming themselves

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in abandoned buildings for fun. Yeah. Yeah. So all of the respect there, but

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or the reactions are very exaggerated. Yeah. And that's not the that's not the kind of stuff you're

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doing on a regular basis. Absolutely not. Yeah. But yeah, when I take people on tours, I warn them

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sometimes like ghost hunting is not like you see on TV. It is mostly boring. So it's a little moment

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to fun. Yeah, they can't show all the sitting around. Yeah, unanswered questions on TV. All of the

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just sitting around and quiet talking to yourself is edited out and it's edited out for a reason.

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So where do you take people on tours at? So I pretty exclusively work at the grand theater

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in downtown Salem, Oregon. It is a 125 year old building that was originally built by the odd

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fellows. It was an odd fellow lounge. Okay. Yeah. So if anyone out there knows odd fellows, you kind

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of understand when I'm putting down there. I don't. Oh, I don't know. But I feel like we might like

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talk more about this place, about the history about it in its own episode. So we might have to like

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yeah, you don't have to explain it all to me now. But give me like a one word vibe for the odd fellows.

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Secret cult. Oh, that's two words. So you have to pick not to. Okay. I immediately

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break the rules. No, I get it though. That does make sense. Yeah, it's secretive. Okay. Okay.

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So you give you offer tours there? These ghost tours. Yeah. So I work with the Salem Hunt Club

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and we do events, a lot of events at the grand theater. But occasionally we do ghost investigation

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tours in the basement, which is usually completely awful. I'm just to the public. It's ex a first

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staff that worked there. It's mostly a storage area, but it is also connected to the tunnels that are

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in downtown Salem. Yeah. So if anyone's familiar with like the Fishing High tunnels in Portland,

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they might have heard of those. We have talked about this before. Oh, well, yeah. There you go. We

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also have them here in Salem too. Oh, they were they were used by a Chinese immigrant that helped

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to build this town at the railroad. Basically, was there safe haven? Oh, okay. Unfortunately,

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Salem has a very racist history. Well, yeah. So does Portland. Yeah. As most of Oregon. Yeah.

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That people don't like to talk about. Almost as the United States. What's the United States? Where do we really?

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Yeah. Yeah. You know, the tracks for where we live. Yeah. But Oregon does, they don't like to talk about,

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but especially when it comes to the Asian immigrants, I feel like it's not spoken about a whole lot,

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unfortunately. So those tunnels were basically their safe haven. It was how they would be able to go

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from building to building safely and not get shot. Wow. Yeah. So I go to the grand. There is also

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going to be a haunted house there this Halloween season. There is. And not just like a haunted house,

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like we're sitting in right now, like a scare. What do you call it? A scare? A hunt. Yeah, a hunt.

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A hunt. I use a hunt, but a scare. A scare. I love that. I'm going to start telling that now.

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Actually, it's a scare. But you call yourself a scare actor. So it kind of makes that in my head.

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Yeah. We, yeah. People that work at a haunt are scare actors. You know, we spend our time. That's

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what we do. We scare people. But yeah. So you're sick in the head as well. You know, it's a really,

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really great way to get out like any pent up emotion. It is. I agree. It is.

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You could just scream as loud as you want and no one even cares. I'm kind of exposing any other

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scare actors right now by saying that we absolutely use it to get some pent up emotion. I feel like every,

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I feel like you can tell. Yeah. Probably. It's like, you can't scream that loudly and not have

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something else like going on. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. This is our second year ever putting this on. We are

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so excited to be back. We're back and better than ever. We are continuing our storyline from last

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year. So if anyone was with us last year, it is different. We're not just your normal like Halloween

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haunts. Just like jump scare type thing. Yeah. We are not just full jump scares. We are a half haunt,

363
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:39,040
half theater experience. So like you hear like people have been doing like interactive theater more

364
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:46,960
and more now. We're kind of like that in a way. Not completely fully interactive obviously. But

365
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:54,160
you basically get to be part of a show. That's amazing. With like 15 other people. I love that. I love

366
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:59,920
that it's not just even like watching movies. I saw the new Conjuring movie and if you don't want to

367
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:05,760
hear anything about it, you can just skip ahead a little bit. I really won't spoil it. But if you don't

368
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:11,680
want to know anything just, but it was like full of jump scares. And I think you guys, I've seen you do

369
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:16,320
better than this. Like I know you can do it. And there was genuinely creepy things in it. But it was

370
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:22,640
like jump scare. After jump scare, I was like, okay, like why are we going back to this? I'm not a fan.

371
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:27,840
Like I need real skit. I like want psychological horror in my head while I'm going through a haunted house.

372
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:34,000
I miss psychological horror. I'm so excited to experience this. I don't want to give too much

373
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:43,360
away. Do you are you allowed to say the theme of the one? Yeah. So this year we are doing ghost

374
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:50,080
hunting tours. We're basically continuing on the fact that we have been bringing people into

375
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:56,400
the basement and ghost hunting. Our haunted is here is full on ghost hunting. Just ghost hunting

376
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:06,560
tour. That is so cool. Yeah. So because last year we learned that there is this group called ghost.

377
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:16,720
And we would be we would bring people in and try and unleash the spirit of the theater and feed

378
00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:25,040
people's souls to it and not not a real cult. But we were a cult. It kind of sounds like it.

379
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:30,400
And so after last year's so much media attention has happened, they have been driven underground and

380
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:38,160
are hiding away. So part of what we're looking for is hey are they still there? Maybe maybe not?

381
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:42,320
Well, you got to join us to figure out. You got to go find you got to go to something to find out.

382
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:47,280
Yep. Got to join us and go something to figure out if they're still down there. I cannot wait.

383
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:55,760
We open on October 17th and we will be running for seven specific days at our last day will be

384
00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:02,000
November 1st. So so we we are going a little bit past Halloween. And then you can find tickets on

385
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:10,080
ghost to the grand.com. Yep. I'm a haunting experience. That was so cheesy just kidding. If you join you

386
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:16,960
just might as well see me there because I will be one of your many wonderful guides that will be

387
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:22,400
bringing people through. So are the guides? Do the guides scare people or you probably can't say?

388
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:29,920
Who knows? Anything enough? Where does it make sure that people are safe?

389
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,760
Yes. Could you tell the one thing about the thing grabbing your wrist?

390
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:45,120
Yeah, while while we're interviewing I was I was over in a separate room that is known to have

391
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:54,560
children spirits in it. And I mind I have a necklace that it's not a true pendulum but I use it as a

392
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:59,360
pendulum. It's perfect shape. It's like point shape for it. It's yet a little bird school.

393
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:06,240
If you yeah if you can't see it it's like a bird school. Yeah. And so I was having just a little

394
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:14,480
chat with a child spirit in there. And you guys were doing some like other filming around the house

395
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:19,040
because this house is incredible. It's so cool. It's so cool. There's so many cool things in here.

396
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:26,880
And I was about to go upstairs and hold which is before I started to my wrist was grabbed.

397
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:34,320
And I was like oh okay. Hi. Because it was like I feel like wrist like that's where you if you were a

398
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:40,560
kid you would just like grab like come back and play with me. Especially hearing you know like the

399
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:46,400
children like to like try and give people's attention by grabbing them. Yeah it's really cool.

400
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:52,880
Being able to be like oh someone someone reached out. Yeah. Yeah reached out to touch you like

401
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:57,520
it wanted to hang out with you more. I think it's sweet. I love interacting with child spirits.

402
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:03,760
They're always they're always so sweet. I feel like they can win me too. Yeah. Yeah. I need to remember

403
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:09,600
to bring crayons to the brand because there's a child down there but that very specifically

404
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:15,840
wants crayons. Okay. Bring them what they ask for. I do like to do that too. One of my favorite things

405
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:22,720
about their own investigating and you know bringing people down into the basement is getting to share

406
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:30,880
the stories that I know of but then also giving them an outlet to speak for themselves as well.

407
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:38,000
Yeah. Yeah. Oh see they like that. They like to be out there. They like that. It brings me so much joy

408
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:45,760
doing that because people think that when you're gone you know you're gone for good.

409
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:56,240
Did you get touched again? Was it the fly? No it was like the whole press on my arm. Interesting. Yeah. I mean

410
00:41:56,240 --> 00:42:01,200
that couldn't have been your hair because your hair is like really light. It almost felt like it for a moment

411
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:08,480
and I was like wait no it's saying hi it's it confirmed me. Yeah. Yeah. And that made me lose my

412
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:15,040
turn. I forgot. I know I forgot what you were saying. Oh it's a way for them to communicate. Yeah.

413
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:20,800
Oh yeah. What people think that when you were gone you were gone for good and we keep finding

414
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:26,960
you know proof if you believe that or not is up to you but we keep finding proof that that's not

415
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:34,000
necessarily the case and even if it's just being able to tell someone's story even just a little bit

416
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:39,680
yeah after they're gone you know it's really meaningful to me. I feel like that should be more

417
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:46,320
comforting to people than scary. Yeah. Yeah people people get so scared about the idea of

418
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:52,480
paranormal investigating and it's really not. They're just us so you just can't see them. Yeah.

419
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:58,800
One more thing too. Okay so we were talking about the hat and yeah and Vicki was telling us that

420
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:03,760
sometimes the hat comes off the hook and it was just a hat hanging on a hook and you liberally

421
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:08,560
would have to take it off the hook. Yeah. And what happened when you went upstairs? It was on the floor.

422
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:15,920
I it was literally just it was just there it was like wedged kind of because there's like a little

423
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:24,000
like door there yeah and it was like it almost looked like it had been like purposefully put like

424
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:28,960
to like someone was trying to like get it under the door. Oh my gosh like hide it in the closet.

425
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:35,360
Yeah. Get rid of this thing man. Like it actually could have just fallen that way but it almost looked

426
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:40,480
to me like someone was trying to shove it under there to hide it. It was but we have like pictures

427
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:47,520
of the hook and stuff and it's like oh like yeah you have to take it off it. Yeah it's it's

428
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:52,800
perfect. So that's crazy and no one had been up there like Vicki cleaned up there after a

429
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:57,920
guest and she said she hung the hat up or it was up and then yeah no one had been up there and

430
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:02,160
yeah it was my first time going up there and we had just been talking about that. She was just

431
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:06,240
telling us about the hat and then you came down really you never believe that. I never believe

432
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:19,920
that's on the floor. We're doing tarot for the Delaney House.

433
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:28,160
You may notice that we are back in the office for the tarot reading.

434
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:35,840
We were having too much fun at the Delaney House and we ran out of time. I don't know that I would

435
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:45,200
say we. That was arguably one of the worst days of my life. I know. Too date. I know. I was trying not

436
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:50,720
to say anything. I didn't know how much you wanted to say but I feel like we talked about it afterwards

437
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:58,080
and you were like I really don't know. Like do you think that it was the house? I'm just like I don't

438
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:07,280
know either. I don't know. Because you had a really bad migraine. I did. Yeah and for the first time ever

439
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:17,120
I experienced having a migraine and what I assume if it wasn't the house was a migraine and vertigo

440
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:27,520
combined episode. So I was on a boat for like 36-ish hours which is very strange. I actually normally

441
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:34,720
like being on a boat. I don't typically get seasick but when you're not on a boat and you feel like you

442
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:41,040
are. It feels like you're on a boat. Turns out that will make you sick. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway.

443
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:47,520
Just some of the fun that we can have. No Caitlin. God she was a freaking trooper. I felt so bad.

444
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:52,480
We did our interviews and we did as much as we could but we're like we got to get her out of here

445
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:59,520
because she was not. I was falling to pieces. I feel bad I even made you stay as long as.

446
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:05,680
Well I mean gosh we're there. We needed to do our thing. What can you do? But so we decided not to

447
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:10,560
do the chair over there but we I'm sure we'll be back there another time because we're besties

448
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:17,760
now with Vicki. Yeah. So you know we'll be back. This isn't the last of the Delaney House. I'm looking

449
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:23,040
at the camera but our cameras are not either because we didn't feel like getting ready today. It's

450
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:28,960
a Sunday. Yeah. But we have the tarot altar so you guys can see our little thingies and the cards.

451
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:37,680
Okay. I'm going to hand the oh I was like for some reason I felt like you were going to do the

452
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:44,320
drawing. I don't know if I would trust my intuition in this reading. Because you weren't even I

453
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:50,080
mean you were there for one of the interviews but I don't particularly know how there you were.

454
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:55,920
Yeah. You can maybe see it on her eye. I wasn't really there for most of the day. Like I said I was

455
00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:05,120
on a boat so mother fucker. Okay let's do the card pull. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I was kind of.

456
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:17,360
It is per day the page of swords. So I don't know the screen was a little dark but I think looking at

457
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:22,000
it now you can you can see kind of where I pulled out the card. I was talking about it as I was up

458
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:27,520
there not in front of a mic so. Yeah. But we pulled the page of swords. Yes. It was the page right?

459
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:32,240
Yeah. It's so cool because it has it's this bird and I guess what we're going to find out what

460
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:37,680
the bird is because we're going to read the interpretation book. So it's like a brown body like brown

461
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:45,040
and tan body with a yellow head. And like I don't know what this bird is. I don't either. I don't

462
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:50,880
I mean I don't think I've seen one before. It's very beautiful. It instantly for whatever reason

463
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:58,880
reminded me of when we were seeing the drawing of their heads. Like the portrait drawings. Yeah.

464
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:05,040
Daniel Daniel Delaney. He wanted a picture of himself in the house but they couldn't find one so

465
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:11,200
they had drawings done of their head. Right. Him and Rachel. Rachel's head. So I don't know why that

466
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:16,240
because like the head is highlighted here. So maybe think of that. That is really interesting. I

467
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:22,160
would not have made that connection. Wow. I make really odd connections. That is what I'm here.

468
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:29,760
And I'm really glad we had Chris with us because I was so out of it and your head. Yeah. Oh God

469
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:36,080
that's such a good point. I was just thinking about it. Oh gosh. Thank God he was there because he

470
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:44,240
was able to go and do like walking around like video footage of like the house inside and outside.

471
00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:49,360
And then I think he got pictures of the portrait. Because I think I definitely did. Okay. Yeah.

472
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:54,480
I remember being like you guys I know enough to know that I'm out of it and I'm like I'll probably

473
00:48:54,480 --> 00:49:00,560
take some shaky blurry photo because I'm on a boat but I was like get a picture. We got it. We got it.

474
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:06,960
We got you. I felt so bad because I just felt like so useless. I was like I'm physically here.

475
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:12,960
Okay. But we all I mean God. I know our day is definitely feeling for you because like it said

476
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:20,320
very recently I was also in tears from a migraine. Oh I like I feel so harsh. I was like crying when

477
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:28,960
I love going my my friends had her. I can't do anything. I know and you know the worst part when we were

478
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:34,800
unpacking the car and stuff and I was trying to bring down like the bins and stuff. We told her not

479
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:41,440
carry anything in this. I know. Well every step I was taking I was feeling like I was like you know

480
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:46,480
when you wake up in a dream and like you feel like you're falling in the dream. That's how like every

481
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:52,240
step felt going down the stairs. We should talk about those head crystals sometimes.

482
00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:57,920
Honestly. Sometimes like yeah. Because that's crazy. Yeah. Interesting but maybe another episode.

483
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:02,800
I know I don't know how you confirm for sure that like that's it. I haven't had it you know

484
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:07,760
professionally clinically evaluated but what the fuck head what are head crystals? I don't

485
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:14,080
know. Yeah. It's actually it's inner ear. inner ear crystals. It's head crystals. Really something.

486
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:21,040
You guys I'm obsessed with rocks. We have crystals in our ears. Yeah. Right. Miner lose. Oh my God.

487
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:25,920
You know like people say box of rocks like about like people that are you know. It's true.

488
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:32,800
Dumdams are. Well that's how I feel. Anyway that is very interesting that like that's crazy.

489
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:38,400
What's also and there's like a there's a sword on the card and it's like pointed at the bird's head

490
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:45,440
kind of like towards the bird's head. Oh my gosh. All right. So page of swords our keywords are study

491
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:52,000
vigilance apprehension. I almost said oppression and they don't know why. That's first with an oh.

492
00:50:52,000 --> 00:51:02,720
Yeah it sure does. Inexperience, curiosity and a message. Oh okay. I already was kind

493
00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:10,480
of super super quickly skimming the interpretation sections of this and I was like all right. Knowing

494
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:17,760
what I do know about some of like the backstory that I'm going to tell you about the house and the

495
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:22,560
murder. I don't know if I said this already. I'm pretty sure I did but the same the end of the Delaney

496
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:29,760
house. Yeah. It's definitely not. You will be back. Okay. Pages represent study and apprenticeship

497
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:35,840
and this card says learn to express yourself so you can communicate with sword like precision.

498
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:41,920
It might mean you're exploring new ideas or embarking on a spiritual quest.

499
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:49,440
If the page of swords symbolizes an actual person it's probably a clever and curious youth

500
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:56,400
who hasn't yet mastered the power of his or her intellect. Oh we did talk about like a child ghost.

501
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:04,160
Yeah. Yep. Definitely multiple children that are kind of associated with the house.

502
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:09,680
Okay. There's another that's associated that I don't know that they talked about this person

503
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:16,000
specifically related to like hauntings like ghosts of the house but it wouldn't surprise me.

504
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:23,200
Just knowing what I know about the murder. Oh my god. I can't. I mean I don't want to know about

505
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:27,440
a murder but yeah well I want to know what happened. You need to know. I don't know.

506
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:35,200
The Aquarian Tarot for example shows a boy with his sword at his side. He hasn't yet gained

507
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:43,280
the confidence to wield it. Okay. So yeah I just can't not wait. I hope that I will kind of remember

508
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:52,320
this moment when we talk about my. Okay. My part. When the page appears upright it may show you're

509
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:58,560
thinking of branching out, testing yourself, embracing a challenge, perhaps you're entering college

510
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:04,800
beginning a career or starting off on a spiritual quest. Some of this kind of reminded me of us

511
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:10,720
just kind of going in and it was kind of our first time bringing all of the cameras and equipment

512
00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:16,240
with us. Yeah. We've got we've brought like you know the mics and things around but we brought

513
00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:24,400
us a full pack of the pot lab trip. Yeah cameras lights and we did like a really good job setting up

514
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:30,640
and all like working together and making it happen. I know. I have felt like oh my gosh we almost

515
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:36,080
need like another person because there's just so much stuff that we brought with us. What did it say?

516
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:40,160
Like it you're like you're going to college or something. Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of what it felt

517
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:45,200
like. We're like a kind of upgrading our and oh that's what it reminded me of. We were talking about

518
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:50,240
like I was kind of thankful for all of the crap we had to go through setting up the studio.

519
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:55,280
Oh yeah. Like all the camera issues and lighting issues and everything because then we just know like

520
00:53:55,280 --> 00:54:00,000
what can go wrong and how to fix it now. Yeah it's so true. No you were you were talking about that

521
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:06,960
and you were like this kind of feels old hat after after every oh my gosh old hat. In the hat that

522
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:12,000
kept falling down. Yes. Yeah. I know. Another head. It's all about the head.

523
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:18,720
Naturally you're anxious because you don't feel prepared. You may not have used your

524
00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:24,320
sword on the battlefield but you've trained and developed the skills you need to succeed.

525
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:30,000
And I was saying too I didn't I didn't write an episode for this like yeah I went in I didn't really

526
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:34,880
which is not usually what I do for an interview usually prepare questions and like research people.

527
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:39,600
But for some reason I was just feeling like I didn't want to research too much and I just

528
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:44,800
wanted to go in and like naturally ask my questions and that's what happened and I think it turned out

529
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:50,800
like I just have faith that we could just go in and record an episode with people and it'll work out.

530
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:56,160
Well and I think part of it too is like when we know that we're going to be kind of covering

531
00:54:56,160 --> 00:55:03,360
like a place from sort of two angles from you know the paranormal and the true crime it's like

532
00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:12,880
you kind of want to go in a little bit more clean slate because what like from your genre it's more

533
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:18,480
like we want to pick up like the vibe and we want you know what I mean whereas like mine like in

534
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:24,320
some respects it's like I can't really pick up a murder vibe. I mean I can actually but

535
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:32,400
you may have yeah the last line says trust yourself. We do.

536
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:41,440
Ruth there guys. In a reading about money the page can represent a message about a money matter.

537
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:48,400
This card recommends examining details and information yourself rather than simply relying on

538
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:56,480
others for advice. However it also warns against overconfidence ignorance can lead to losses.

539
00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:01,280
Oh okay is this something that you know about the case too that I'm not aware of?

540
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:09,120
I mean there is a there is a monetary. You're right. I do remember that little piece.

541
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:17,120
Okay. You guys. It's interesting the color of the bird's head as well. Yeah.

542
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:23,120
I don't know you might say it could be gold. Yeah. It does it does kind of it's like that it's

543
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:28,000
like a very bright yellow. I don't know. Gold could be treasure. I don't know maybe that. I don't

544
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:33,840
know you guys could be nothing could be everything. If the reading is about your job this card shows you

545
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:39,760
beginning a career that tests your intelligence and education. You may be starting a project that

546
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:46,320
requires good communication skills or you may be refining your mental abilities and clarifying ideas.

547
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:53,680
In a reading about love this card can indicate an immature or detached attitude towards relationships.

548
00:56:54,320 --> 00:57:03,200
Oh. I was just thinking of what didn't Daniel like cheat on his life with the housekeeper or something

549
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:09,280
or not the slave. I'm sorry. I need to call it what it is. Yeah. Well don't don't give too much away.

550
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:16,560
Well we kind of we did talk about it. Yeah. That's how it. Yeah. It'll exactly. Yeah. It's going to come up

551
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:22,080
and I'm going to tie together some pieces that like everybody's already kind of talked about but

552
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:31,040
interesting. Yeah. I haven't dug into like that specific aspect of it. How much could you even find

553
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:37,280
on that? Like that kind of thing isn't it? He's wanting to keep a written record of that. You know? Yeah.

554
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:42,080
It's true. You just kind of see what happened and come up with your own. Yeah. But we could be totally wrong.

555
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:49,760
Yeah. But that was kind of my my thinking was I don't I don't know maybe in terms of just like do

556
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:56,240
how much can we really I mean we can speculate wildly obviously. But like how much can we confirm

557
00:57:56,240 --> 00:58:02,640
about that? Like I wonder is there any truth to that and like is there any way for us to kind of like

558
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:08,480
I don't know. Put any stock in that. I don't know. I can't wait to talk about it more and find out

559
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:13,840
more of the details. Maybe there's something that will point us in the right direction. Yeah. It'll

560
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:21,360
be interesting to see. Yeah. Perhaps you're harboring an unrealistic ideal about love. The page may

561
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:27,040
also suggest you're not ready to commit to a relationship. You have other things to do first.

562
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:34,800
Which sort of I feel like does it does sort of seem like that backs up like kind of your idea there.

563
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:45,200
Oh, I was like oh it sounds like me. Yeah. I am busy. Oh yeah. What was the work? The one about the

564
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:50,320
job because that kind of reminded me about Vicki being the homeowner and she rinsed out as an

565
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:56,800
Airbnb and does like the tea say on nights and stuff. Yeah. She just so many like they host so many

566
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:01,120
different interesting events there. It sounds like they've done the lawns and all kinds of different

567
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:06,240
things. I want to go so bad to one. I know. If the reading is about your job, this card shows you

568
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:11,920
beginning a career that tests your intelligence and education. You may be starting a project that

569
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:18,160
requires good communication skills or you may be refining your mental abilities and clarifying

570
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:26,960
ideas. Okay. Well, that just yeah. Yeah. It just sounds like women at work. I know. Just fast girl and

571
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:33,520
it. Yeah. We were kind of talking about that while the while the husbands were running around in the

572
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:41,440
background. They got to talking there at the end. I did notice that was very cute. Yeah. They had a

573
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:48,000
little bit of a meat cue in the kitchen while we were working. The women were working in the men

574
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:55,200
were in the kitchen. Yeah. How it should be. Okay. Well, should I see what kind of bird this is?

575
00:59:55,200 --> 01:00:00,080
I'm very excited to figure it out. I mean, my god, it better say. Otherwise, I'm going to do like a

576
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:10,640
Google image search. It always does. Okay. Okay. Page of the woods. It's a horny lark. It's a horned

577
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:15,920
lark. No, it's not. It's a horned lark. Horned lark. Okay. It's like it is not a horny lark. It's a

578
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:25,760
horned lark. Horned lark that has no time for relationships. Curiosity intelligence inspiration.

579
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:31,120
That felt like our whole vibe that night. Curiosity is like, I feel like the word of my life.

580
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:36,960
Yeah. I think it's a curious person. It's so interesting because I feel like we go about it in

581
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:43,440
like really different ways a lot of times. So I feel like that's such a key component of the show

582
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:49,920
for us and kind of how we really reconnected. You know what I mean? I feel like that's such a key

583
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:55,680
thing. Curiosity. Yeah. I feel like that's both like both of us really. Yeah. The rabbit holes

584
01:00:55,680 --> 01:01:02,400
we go now. I mean, oh my god. We literally just can't leave well enough alone. That's fine. I'm okay

585
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:08,640
with that. I've made my piece with it. A quick wit. A fast study. Ooh, that sounds like all of us too.

586
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:15,440
Eagerness. New ideas and perspective communication. I love it. The fledgling road. The high desert wind

587
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:24,720
testing their new abilities and pinions. Pinions. EINI, ONS. Is that like a bird move maneuver?

588
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:29,680
That's what I'm wondering. Okay, let me look. You guys can't see me, but I just made a sick bird

589
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:38,560
maneuver with my sick bird wing hands. Okay. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Hold on. Okay. So this is actually

590
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:44,320
I'm glad we look this up. I said it wrong. I have no idea. I can look at the Google

591
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:49,600
pronunciation. It's like opinions without the O. Yeah. No, I mean the pronunciation guy that Google

592
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:57,920
is giving me. I actually think opinion is right. Okay. It says the outer part of a bird's wing

593
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:03,600
including the flight feathers. So it's literally part of the bird. So it's like when they first

594
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:09,280
grow those feathers and they're learning to fly because it said the fledgling road. The high desert

595
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:16,880
wind testing their new abilities and their new opinions. That is so cool. Perfect. Interesting. You

596
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:26,400
can also use this as a verb and okay. I'm seeing an example here that's highlighted that has

597
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:34,480
peaked my interest if you will. Or would you say your curiosity? Yes. Were we just talking about

598
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:43,040
rabbit holes? So in the third person present opinions or opinion, it says tie or hold the arms

599
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:50,160
or legs of someone. And the example sentence is the opinion, the limbs of his opponent.

600
01:02:51,360 --> 01:03:01,440
Oh, is that the maybe a part of thing that went down? Could prove to have some relevance. I guess

601
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:05,680
we'll just have to see. That is so weird that we were just talking about how curious we were and

602
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:10,320
that we just looked up a random word that we probably didn't think had anything to do with it.

603
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:17,600
Yeah. Well, and how strange that a word that's really like when you're talking about like a

604
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:24,400
the noun form, it's a part of a bird. And then it has this other application that's like sort of a

605
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:31,360
dark verb. Interesting. Yeah. They measured their currents by their pressure against outstretched

606
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:38,080
wings and experimented with the effect of feather positioning on airflow. Mastery would come quickly

607
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:46,720
they expected. They could go anywhere. Oh, that is that just right there reminding me of a ghost.

608
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:55,120
Like testing out its new ability to like go anywhere it wants in time and space. You know?

609
01:03:55,120 --> 01:04:03,440
You know, I actually and that makes sense and not to to give too much away, but thinking about this

610
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:13,680
period of history that I know my part comes from in Oregon. Basically these are like the wild west days.

611
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:22,160
We can go anywhere. So it's like that very much like it's that like settler vibe. Yeah. You know what I mean?

612
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:28,800
It is. Oh, I really like this. This card. Well, even though we didn't get to do it at the house,

613
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:33,840
like we we really wanted to like I do the house like get the vibes in the cards, but yeah,

614
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:39,600
we took these cards with it. It takes the cards. Yeah. So it did I feel like absorb some of the vibes.

615
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:44,560
So when I was I was cleansing the cards, but I told it to like keep the energy of what it had had

616
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:48,560
at the house. Yeah. Because I didn't know what it had picked up in the meantime, but like I don't want

617
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:52,880
to lose that. So when I was cleansing it, I was like, oh, the cards have not been used

618
01:04:52,880 --> 01:05:00,800
at the house. So I think yeah, I think it worked out. Well, should we do a good buy thing? Yeah, I guess

619
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:10,400
though. Have a creepy day. All right. Well, do you want to give us a, have a creepy

620
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:18,160
ass day into the microphone that I answered? Wait, how old are you? Can you say a, are you loud?

621
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:23,440
You're interviewing me not knowing how old I am. Wait, how old are you?

622
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:27,760
I believe it not. I'm 24. Okay, I was going to say because I made that joke about protection and

623
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:33,600
I'm always like, rap it before you tap it and I was like, wait, wow, oh, this is so young.

624
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:43,920
You're full. Okay, perfect. So you can say ask. I can say ask. Would you like to say I have a creepy

625
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:45,920
the ass down to the microphone. Yeah.