Ghostly Encounters in Montana: A Haunting in Great Falls

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So one of the permanent exhibits is self-taught artist Lee Steen's tree people.

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And it is 234 sculptures of sort of people made from cottonwood branches and other found materials.

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Are you seeing it? Uh-huh. Do you love it?

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I have some thoughts and feelings.

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You know how I feel about dolls.

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Yes, but there's sticks. There's stick figure people.

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Hi, Caitlyn. Hi, Cassie. Hi, creepy people. Hello.

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If you're new to our creepy corner of the world, this is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we chat about true crime,

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the paranormal and all things spooky in the Pacific Northwest. She went for it.

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I'm feeling it. It just came out of me. It's not cool.

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It's just like coming out of your pores, which is I have to say better than being sweaty and or,

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you know, mucusy, which has been a lot of my recent experience.

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Or maybe, I know. This is so weird. We don't record remotely very much, but here we are.

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You know what we do do a lot though? Do do.

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We also do a Tarot reading at the end of every episode. I thought you were going to say get sick.

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You usually get sick a lot. I typically don't.

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For those of you that maybe don't know, aren't keeping track of my wellness.

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Already, this is my first bout with COVID. I gotta say zero out of 10.

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Is it really your first? Yeah. As far as I know. As far as I know.

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Okay, that makes a lot more sense. I don't know why I thought you would have had at least one.

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And I'm over here like, this is my fifth time. I got this. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, I'm, I guess.

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I guess being vaccinated, I sort of thought, oh, okay, you know, obviously I don't want to get COVID.

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It's less than ideal. But I figured that, you know, how bad could it be, right? Because,

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you know, I'm vaccinated. And I do think I'm shy. A single booster, which now really feels like a

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gigantic oversight. But so I'm going to, I'm going to get that under my belt. I need to look into

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that. I think this situation has made that abundantly clear for me. Everyone look into that and get

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yourself safe and vaccinated if you can. Yeah. Yeah. Because yeah, this has been quite, quite the

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debacle. I kind of can't believe how sick I've been. So I know. It's so sad. But you guys didn't really

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get to miss us too much because we did have an episode that you did with the old crime that we

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posted. So they got to me you. Yeah, which ironic because I know definitely the one who could not

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record when we very desperately needed to. But so anyway, we're talking about this terror reading

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we do at the end of every episode. We just do it for a little bit of deeper insight into our topic

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for the day, which happens to be my topic. We all know what that means. Okay. I don't know if anybody

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could tell by my shirt. It's not just a phase and it's not. And it has a jackaland on it and this

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is my new favorite shirt. I love it. This is I think my new favorite shirt. Oh, I love that. I was

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torn. I was like, do I wear one of our new merch shirts that we made that we wore for the festival or

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do I go spooky? Well, and I have a sweatshirt and I think three tank tops that CJ from Beyond the Rainbow

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gave me and I was going to wear one of those tank tops. It's finally to the part of the year where

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now the recording studio will not be like a boiler room. It's going to be cooler. So I thought,

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whoa, I would probably get cold if I wore a tank top. It's weird that you just said boiler room.

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Well, okay. Okay. So that's I don't know if I've ever heard you have you said that before? Have you

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like said that before about the pod room or things being hot? I don't know that I ever have. Actually,

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yeah. Yeah. Okay. I'm kind of freaked out now. Is that something to do with the story or maybe

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are you just having a deja vu? I guess we'll see. Okay, great. So we'll talk more about the true crime

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fest Northwest. You did. Yeah. We'll talk a little bit more about it at the end of the episode.

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Yes. Because we had fun. We did have fun. But let's get into my episode. I'm so excited.

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Obviously, I'm super excited for fall. So naturally, I was looking at articles about fall foliage.

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Fall foliage. Because I, you know, I just I want to see where the good fall foliage is in the PNW.

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And I was looking for maybe some inspiration on an episode. And I kind of found it. Oh, okay.

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What you found? Well, I will tell you. So one of the states on the list was Montana. And this was

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a Pacific Northwest article. So I was like, well, I guess I never really thought of Montana as

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Pacific Northwest. But if this article says it is, yeah, we're talking about it. And I don't

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have I've never done an episode in Montana before that I know of. I don't think you have. I think

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I've had a couple of cases that touched on areas of Montana. But yeah, I don't know. I kind of

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I kind of count it. But yeah, right. You know, this article did. So yeah, I also have family that

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lives in Montana. So maybe that's why I'm like, hey, how's the foliage?

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Some fall foliage out there. Yeah. Yeah. Send us photos of your foliage.

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Well, so now that I am blessed, hashtag blessed with the knowledge that Montana is part of the Pacific

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Northwest. I always feel like fall is a new year. So new year, new me. We're going to be visiting

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Montana more. I'm going to make it a resolution. Oh, I like it. Montana. Watch out. I feel like there's

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got to be so much good, like untouched. I don't know, just spooky stuff, stories and content. And

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so hopefully some people will give us some hot tips on it. Yeah, give us suggestions.

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Yeah. If you're from Montana, write us a little story. You can email us at pnwhauntsandhomicides@gmail.com.

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And we will read it on a creepy people chronicles. We will out loud.

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If you guys don't know what we're referencing, we used to say that. Do we not need more?

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We don't have an outro anymore that we say. Yeah. I guess I forgot. Yeah. We're quite forgetful

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and also very busy and also semi lazy. Yeah, all of those things are true.

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Oh, true. We just tried to throw in the promos here and there's, you know, so you don't.

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So you don't even notice that they're happening. Yeah. Infiltrating your brain.

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Woo, there was a promo. I have a candle that I'm going to light because it smells like

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fall. It's kitchen spice. Oh, sitting right now. This is Jessica's candle. Thank you, Jessica,

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for letting me use your candle in your house. Oh, it just smells so fall. Do it.

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According to tripsavvy.com's article, best places to see fall color in the Pacific Northwest.

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Quote. Montana. Best viewed while driving through national parks and forests from late September

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through mid-October. The color is very depending on elevation and you'll need to have a car equipped

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with four-wheel drive to access some roads. Yeah. Yeah. I would say all of that is there.

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Which, you know, I don't know a lot about Montana. So I've spent a fair bit of time there

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driving through Montana, the neighboring states to Montana.

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Nice. National parks. So we spent all summer

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adventuring around the PNW and the wilderness and I felt like we've just had enough of the outdoors,

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don't you? I don't know. I unpopular opinion in our genres, but I'm like, I love the outdoors.

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I mean, did you love my outdoors like the caves and the in the haunted mountain tops and

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what was the other one? I don't remember. I know. Those of the trees. Okay, the trees were cool.

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Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, maybe I like the outdoors. Just I don't maybe not the version that you've

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been focused on. I'm just ready. I'm ready to get back indoors and you know, it's back to school.

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Let's go back to school, y'all. We're in doorsy kids overall. Did anyone else just have like a

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like a popcorn reading panic attack? I said, let's go back to school. Oh god. Because I definitely did.

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I don't mind reading. I just don't like the popcorn part of it. You know what I mean? We've talked about

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it before. It's anxiety. I can't focus on what's being read because I'm like, oh, I gotta be called.

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And I am not good at reading things, you know, that I didn't write myself. So I'm not even that good

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at reading things that I did write myself. Honestly, I think it's obviously just a play to make sure

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that you're paying attention. And I don't I think it has. It doesn't want to be the first. Yeah. Yeah.

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For certain, for certain members of society, I might have the opposite of that. Most.

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Well, we're going to go all the way back to 1890 when four young ladies who had finished grammar

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school asked for more advanced public schooling in Great Falls, Montana. Really? Yes. In Great Falls? Yes. Do

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you know Great Falls? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've never heard of it. Really? I don't know anything about

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Montana. Oh, that's a later. I will kind of explore. Yeah. You're like, I literally don't know anything

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about it. I don't know nothing. I did have to look it up. grammar school is from about 10 to 14

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years old. So what they're asking for is a high school, basically. Okay. Yeah. That seems fair.

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I wouldn't want to ask for more school, but like I get it back in the day. You're like, you need

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the knowledge, you know? Okay. Well, here's the thing, especially in like rural Midwest, which

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is so cool. I think Montana technically is kind of considered part of the Midwest. No, it's

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pretty unboundary. It is what we say it is. And when we say it is, if you were all through your

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schooling and everything, think about it like yeah, in your fort dame, like basically it was like,

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okay, you're probably going to be like married off. Yeah. So I'd be like, yeah, I think I want to go

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to high school. That is very true. I think I want to go to high school. Maybe college. Maybe I'll be a

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doctor. So that same year after asking for a high school, they were shacked up with some middle

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schoolers in the same building. They weren't in the same classes, but they were in the same building.

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So they were getting their high school classes, but just in a middle school building. Okay. When you say

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shacked up, that is very different. Connotation to me. Because we just talked about being married,

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too. I guess. I don't know why I word it like that. Who knows? I love it. There was no nasty shenanigans.

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Okay. Get your minds out of the dang gutter. Yeah. Okay. Okay. They did have to share a building for

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a little while because even in their second year of officially being a high school without their

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own building, they only had 23 students. So a little hard to probably justify building an entire

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building for that small amount of children. Yeah. That's fair. Okay. Remind me what year is this? 1890.

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Okay. Yeah. That tracks. Yes. I don't think that the high school classes got a lot bigger for quite a

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while. They did. They did. I'll tell you about it. Okay. For whatever reason, I don't know if more

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people were deciding to go to school or if more people were moving to that town in particular,

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but they quickly realized that they needed more space for all of these knowledge seeking teens.

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Finally, after the long awaited arrival of slate blackboards, the first high school building in

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Great Falls, Montana was dedicated in 1896. And it had capacity for 500 students, which is like,

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that's a lot. Yeah. That would be. But that's like 500 for like all four years or more years of high school.

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Yeah. So I feel like if there's like an even amount, it would be like 125 or so per class. Yeah.

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If I can can't really do math that well, but that's something. Yeah. No, that's that's right. Yeah.

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I'm guessing if we're talking about 40, if we're talking about four years and 500 kids, that that's

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right. But that's still like, but bigger than 23, you know, that's, that's a lot bigger. It is a lot bigger.

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I wouldn't say not a lot in a big time. Yeah. The school though is like pretty fucking big.

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Also, fun fact, we stopped using slate for blackboards in the 60s. Oh, interesting. Great Balls

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is about 90 miles northeast of Helena, which is the capital, which is the only town in Montana that I knew.

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So it's like that's a lazy. So I usually compare it to like how far things are from like Portland or

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Seattle, like big cities. And I was like, what's a big fucking city on Montana? Like I literally couldn't

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even think of like a big city. So I was like, I'm just the capital. I don't know. Oh god. What tell me a big city?

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Well, I don't know how I don't know that it's big by like the standards of like Portland or Seattle,

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but there's like Calis Bell. Calis Bell is really well known. It's really, it's a popular place. It's

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like absolutely booming. It's like, I would like in it to

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bend here in Oregon. It's a lot like that. It's, it's still like a rural community, but like it's,

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it's growing. It's very expensive to live there now. A lot of celebrities have their vacation homes.

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And then I think Bozeman is like the college town. Bozeman. That's that sort of that one rings a bell,

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I think, because of Big Bang Theory. All right. But with it, Sheldon, he went to Bozeman,

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Montana. It's something I don't, that doesn't sound right to me, but I don't know. I don't know why this,

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it happened. Okay. Someone look it up and tell me it happened. I don't remember that at all.

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Sheldon went to Bozeman, Montana. I believe you. I just, I don't remember that at all. I feel like I

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would remember that, but I don't know why. I don't, I don't even know if I'm right, but it's in there,

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and it came out of my mouth also. That's what's happening. And then there's Glendive, which I don't

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think is a big city, but gosh, yeah, no, I don't know. Great falls. Now I'm learning more about on

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the places. This is a place that like the high school, this is a learning place. Okay. It is. Yeah.

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You should watch Yellowstone. Oh, you've told me that before. I do need to. It's on the list.

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The Missouri River runs right through the town, and it's called the electric city because a lot of

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dams and power plants are there. Oh, and you know, my first thought. Do they have dam mermaids there?

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I did not know your first thought. How did you not read my mermaid mind? You know, honestly,

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I feel like I blame the COVID. You should. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to send you pictures. Oh,

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okay. Kind of look at the top ones. Don't scroll too far down, but I want to do to see the pretty,

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pretty building. The high school is built, and it's called Great Falls or Central High School. It was

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called kind of both in some of the articles. And it occupied the building from 1896 to 1930. And it was

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topped with a four-faced clock tower that was almost as tall as the actual building. So as you

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can see in this first picture, how tall this fucking clock tower is. Pretty tall. Yeah. It's huge. Huge.

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But it sadly had to be removed in 1916 because she was too thick. Oh, no. The building was not structurally

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able to handle all of that. Oh, boy. Yeah. It's kind of funny because I read that they put such a huge

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clock tower on the building to emphasize to students how important it was to spend their time wisely.

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Oh, interesting. It's just like a big symbol of spending your time wisely, I guess, which

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what a better example of how to invest your time wisely than to build a giant clock tower. By the way,

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people actually knew probably wouldn't hold up and then have to tear it down 20 years later.

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Way to go, guys. The irony. Yeah. Okay. Top-notch role models here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No notes.

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It is kind of interesting to I another fact that I read. It was that to compact the backfill

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around the foundation, a hundred sheep were shepherded a hundred times around the building.

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Okay. Doesn't that funny? I mean, it's just kind of like what do you have a lot of in Montana? I'm assuming

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livestock. Yeah. That's like, I guess I never really thought of it. Like if you're putting like

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loose dirt back in like, yeah, you'd want to pack it down so things don't sink. Like how would you do

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that? A hundred sheep, a hundred times. Yeah. That's really funny. I don't know that that's

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how this whole thing played out. I don't know that that's like a resounding endorsement for that method.

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But the building is fine. The clock tower was just too heavy. It didn't have anything to do with

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the foundation. Okay. The foundation solid. We're good together. Sheep did their work.

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Okay. Yeah. I mean, hey, the house don't fall if the bones are good.

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Hayes for horses. Here I am trying to incorporate some country, you know, like a modern country song lyric

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into this our repertoire and your life. Did it. Hayes for horses. I'm like, wow. I feel like I'm

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maybe I'm trying to hard. No, it's perfect. It worked out perfectly. In 1913 an addition was built and

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the boiler room had to be moved closer to the new building. Okay. They supposedly turn the old

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boiler room into a pool. A pool. Yeah. Because why not? It's a big empty space. Oh, can you guess where

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the old boiler room was located in the building? In the basement. It was in the basement. Yeah.

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And usually in the basement. A like and think of is like Pennywise down there in the basement. Like,

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do you want to float? Oh, and I'm fully ready for Halloween. I don't I don't know how I feel about

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a pool in the basement. I'm going to be honest. In your genre, in my genre,

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I can't think of a single example where that plays out. Like, yeah, I don't know. Positively.

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A lot of the only place you could put it. A lot of bad vibes and murder in basement pools.

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Basement pools. Murder basement pools. I see. Not a fan. Okay. So we've got like kind of the giggles out

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because it's actually not a very funny situation because although there are no official reports of this,

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there is a legend of a student tragically drowning in the pool. No. I know. That's why you don't put

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them in the basement. Yeah. Like, who's keeping an eye out down there? You know, there's no life guard

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on duty in the basement. No, unless it's Pennywise. That would be the best

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fucking life guard. Like, prank to do on Halloween is just dress like Pennywise and be the life guard.

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Okay. Now I want to be a life guard. I'm not very good at swimming. I was going to say, I didn't,

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hmm, huh. Interesting. Okay. That's a choice. Even though there's no official reports of this,

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even alumni have come forward talking about how this did happen. Ooh. Like, Ronna says in a

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greatfallstribune.com article quote, as a ninth grader in art class, my friend and I were sent to the

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abandoned swimming pool. Oh, it's now it's abandoned. What? Like, is someone pass away in it?

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Oh, that's right. It's a long pass away in it. I can't remember what I wrote you guys. It's been a

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while. Oh, I hate this. So they were sent to the abandoned swimming pool in the old building

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because they were in the annex. Oh, yeah. The new part of the school.

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To paint on very large canvases. So that makes sense so they don't get the classroom's messy.

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Sure. We had to climb down a rickety wooden ladder to reach the bottom of the pool. It was rumored

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to be haunted by the drowning of a student. Okay. The pool wasn't used since 1938 when my data

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attended the school. So I assume maybe the student like passed away in like 1938. Okay. Because like,

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how would you use the pool after that? Yeah. I don't know. I feel like 1938 things are about to get

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pretty wild in the world. I feel like the last thing people were worried about was some freaking pool.

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It's like right before the start of World War II. Oh, I was just thinking like that. I mean,

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someone died in there. I hope that he didn't die in like 1920 and they used it for another 18 years,

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you know what I mean? Like, I don't know. I mean, I think, you know, people die in a lot of places.

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People die in hospitals. That doesn't mean we board them up. But you're supposed to die in a house.

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The kid is not supposed to die in a school pool. So I don't know. I just felt like, I just, I hope

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that they didn't keep using it after one someone passed away in the pool. That's just, if it's even true,

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you know, who knows? There wasn't any reports of hauntings that people could specifically say,

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was this boy who passed away? But some people say they hear strange sounds coming from the basement.

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Because I'm neat. But I'm also pretty sure they put the boiler room back in there. So maybe it's just

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the boiler room making weird sounds again. I just feel like maybe, maybe, maybe we just,

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maybe we just board up the whole basement like that whole area. I don't know. But they need the boiler room.

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Do they? They need to go where their tank tops down into the boiler room.

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It's so funny. You said that earlier. It just like blows my mind.

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Yeah. I, I'm not really sure what to say about that. That's, that actually really kind of creeps me out.

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Because it's not something that I, I don't think I've ever heard you say that. But, no, I mean,

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there literally has been a bar in Portland named the boiler room. And I still don't think it's even a

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phrase that I've said more than a handful of times. And I feel like you would have said like a sauna

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or something else. Yes. Yes. We are. Okay. Moving on. We were beginning up my boiler room vibes.

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Yeah. Up here at least. There's more about this. Not the boiler room specifically with the annex.

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That will get to at the end. Okay. The school changes to Paris Gibson Junior High School from 1930 to

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1975. And then in 1977, it became the Paris Gibson Square Museum of Art, known as the Square.

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The Square. And it remains as the square to this day, the Art Museum. Okay. And it is on the national

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register of historic places. Okay. Which a lot of places I talk about are because they're old and

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haunted. No. They have over a thousand pieces in their permanent art collection and rotating

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exhibitions featuring Northwest Regional Contemporary Art, American Indian Contemporary Art,

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and American Self-Taught Art. That's very cool. It is super cool. Yeah. And we're going to learn a

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little bit more about some of the self-taught art too in a second. Oh. Should I be scared? Well, I really,

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I really love it. I think it's really cool. I don't think it's scary at all. But you know, we'll see.

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So this is a quote from the museum website. The museum provides a variety of cultural,

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educational, artistic, and cross-disciplinary enrichment opportunities for both children and adults.

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They include 20 to 25 unique art exhibitions per year. School tours with hands-on art activities,

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workshops and classes for all ages abilities, outreach programs for underserved populations,

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our traveling museum outreach program, a fully developed art lesson on American Indian Contemporary

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Art brings art education to rural schools and organizations free of charge. So I just think

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they do a lot of really good work in their community involving art. Yeah. I feel like this feels

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maybe different than hopscotch though. Hopscotch. Yeah, you're right. Oh, yes. That's like the immersive

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art museum art experience. Yeah. You guys, we have something really exciting to share with you.

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Let's hear a few words from our new pod besties.

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Can you hear me? Good to have you back with us. I hope you don't mind that I am recording

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for investigative notes. It's a wax cylinder. The only thing we found that can pick up the voices of

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people in your condition. My name is Owen von Sid. I am a reclamer. Do you know what that means? No.

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Well, I am sorry to inform you that you didn't make it. Please try to remain calm. The worst is over.

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Nothing can hurt you, not ever again. But the thing that did this to you, it is still out there.

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That is what we do. I wake unfortunate souls, such as yourself. Hear their stories. Then my associates

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and I see to it that whoever or whatever did this to you is dealt with. Now let's begin. When you are

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Check them out, creepy people. Their info is in our show notes.

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So we are going to talk about one of the exhibitions. It's one of the permanent art collections that

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they have. It's one of my favorite things. I really need to go to Montana and see this because it's

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so cool. Okay, twist what? So one of the permanent exhibits is self-taught artist Lee Stien's

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Tree People. And it is 234 sculptures of sort of people made from cottonwood branches and other

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found materials. Are you seeing it? Uh huh. Do you love it? I have some thoughts and feelings.

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You know how I feel about dolls. Yes. But there are sticks. There are stick figure people.

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I can't help but feel that these are akin to creepy dolls. These remind me of the doll that

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we made a couple of different little clips of you. It was the one that talked from Ghost of Summer.

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Yeah, because the face was kind of like slightly weird and falling off. These are like he just,

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what he did was look at the branch and like he could kind of already see like the face in it and he

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just put things on it to kind of like bring out what he already saw in the branch. Yeah, no, I mean,

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in that respect, um, totally see that and um, very gifted and um, super art, art stuff. Um,

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but they're not normal faces. They're, uh, they're wonky. I wonky feel uncomfortable.

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And I would not want to be left alone with them. That's, you're not the only one who thinks that.

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But I would love to be in there. I think they're so freaking cool. They're very cool. Um, again,

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just don't want to be left alone with them. Also, if anyone wants to learn more about Lee, I will

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have a link for you in the sources. It's super interesting to know how all of this came to be.

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One more quick thing I just wanted to include about him. He had a twin brother named Dee. Stop it. They were

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Lee and Dee. I'm just the cutest fucking thing. Lee and Dee Steen. Yes. I know. I love it.

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I just want to bite their faces off.

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I was watching um, a clip of their small town news segment on the museum during spooky season.

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And they were saying that people either love this room or get super creeped out by it, which I could see.

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Yeah. But when mediums come through, they do report very positive feelings in the room and in the

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building. Interesting. Okay. They were doing the segment because they were having ghost hunts

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hunts USA come and do an investigation there. Really? Yeah. At the museum. At the museum. I think

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okay. Like a couple of ghost paranormal investigators come through. Okay.

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When they were doing their kind of initial walkthrough, they reported feeling a lot of energy

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specifically in the tree people room and they felt that Lee Steen's Spirit was there. Not like,

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not like his ghost was haunting it, but like they could feel the spirit of him like through

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the art all around the room, I think. Oh. Okay. I'm like, uh, sure, sure, sure. Not his ghost.

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His ghost is not there. I was like, is he no longer with us? He is no longer with us.

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Him and Dee have passed a while back. Okay. This is very, this is old. I didn't like a bunch of

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that information in there because it's not about that. But if you want to know more, go to my link.

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Okay. I think those like the 70s, they adopted these. Oh, okay. These tree people. So they're old

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creepy. Yeah. And he was already kind of old. ghost hunts USA, actually, their site is shut down. So

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I don't know if they probably don't run anything anymore. Maybe they're just, they're dunzy. Dunzo.

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So I couldn't dunzy. I like it. I was say, I was about to say dunzo. And I was like, don't

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fucking do it. That's the stupidest thing. Don't say it. And so I chose dunzy. Dunzy. And I think it's better.

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Okay. I'm standing by it. All right. I mean, it's okay to be wrong. So I went to their website to look

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to see if they had posted any evidence. But obviously I couldn't find any. I did find in another

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article that another team of paranormal investigators went through and they got an EVP of what sounded

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like a young boy telling them to get out. Oh, great. Okay. Bye. You're like, fine. That's fine. I'll go.

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I don't really have any issue with that. So I'll just leave. So I don't know if that

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was talking about the ghost in USA team or a different team. I'm not really sure. It was just

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the article did not specify, unfortunately. Wow. Some of the paranormal happenings that visitors

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and staff have reported are hearing children playing, talking and even singing in the building.

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Which is like, it was a school. So of course, you hear children. One of the reports is of

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he's jangling, which is super specific. Yeah. That's a really specific sound. I wish I had my key

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sitting next to me. So I can make it all the way over there. I was going to say, I don't even,

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I don't have mine near me either. But it is interesting because there is a mischievous spirit.

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Some people like to call Timmy. Timmy steals people's keys. Okay. And he also messes with the elevator.

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No. So he steals people's keys. But and then people hear like, he's jangling around. Is that

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just Timmy? Like walking around with the stolen key? Okay. Listen to me. Some of us already have

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all 80 of the HDs. And we don't need your help losing our keys. Okay. And don't fuck around with

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elevators. That is not okay. Don't play the elevator game. What the fuck is an elevator game?

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You don't know about the elevator game. Do I want to know about the elevator game? We got to educate

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Caitlyn someday on the elevator game. What is that? Don't play it. Okay. Not good. Okay. I'll, I do

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actually know a way to relate it to you. It's um, um, Alisa Lam. That's what they, they were thinking

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she was playing the elevator game and got lost in like another dimension. It's like one of the theories.

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So I don't know if you've like listened to a podcast episode on this. Yes. I, yeah. I'm super familiar

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with the Alisa Lam case. I feel like now that you mention it. I remember hearing that theory. I

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still don't understand. It's it, yeah, it's a game and you, it's a game that's dumb and

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there's no winning in it. So why would you play hit? You guys play stupid games,

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wins, stupid prizes. Yeah. Like the death prize. I'm glad I could, I could relate that to

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something that you would understand too. Okay. Cool. Yeah. Just tie it back to murder. I'm like,

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wait, true crime. She'll know. You're like, oh, you know this one, right? As a matter of fact, I do.

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Okay. So this is something weird happening to me. So do you remember, you remember Timmy?

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Yeah. Timmy. Timmy. It's all my shit list if I'm being honest. Our buddy Timmy, who steals keys.

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Anyway. So this is kind of an aside from the episode. I'm sitting here typing about Timmy and I'm

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have Hot Ones on in the background, you know, for background noise. Of course. And Kid Cudi is on

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there and he literally just says Timmy. What? He says the word Timmy as I'm fucking typing about Timmy.

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And I was like, what the fuck? Why? What is happening? So he's talking about Timothée Chalamet, which

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actually I learned it's Timothée Chalamet. But anyway, he was talking about him and called him Timmy.

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But I was like, what? How is he like things that are happening on the TV that I'm typing out? It's

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just the weirdest thing whenever that happens. This is a I'm on the right track, I think. Things are

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syncing up. But this is a really great example of why I oftentimes listen to classical or instrumental

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music when I'm writing. Yeah, I don't know why I can't do that. I can't listen to music while I'm writing.

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Like any kind of music. It has to be like background TV. Because usually I'm not, I can't like usually

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don't hear it. I don't pay attention to it. But for some reason, like the name Timmy, like,

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rang out in my ears and it was on like five volume. Like it wasn't on high. It was just the

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it was the weirdest thing. So I had to include it anyway. Enough about Timmy, Timothée, whatever you want

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to call it. I love Timothée Chalamet. Why don't why don't people say it correctly? I don't know.

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Because of course, you know, I learned this because I had to Google how to spell Timothée Chalamet

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because I'm like, I’m Chalamet. How the fuck do you spell that? So I googled it and then I saw how

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his name it has like two E's on the end with like an accent. And I was like, yeah, it can't be how

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you pronounce that. Is it really pronounced Timothée? Yeah, it's like French. And then I watched a couple

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clips of him explaining, yeah, that's my name. But like, I'm not going to make you call me that

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because that's like, I'm not going to make you guys say Timothée all the time. So that's why people

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call him Timmy. Alrighty. A lot of backstory on the celebrity. You're welcome. This is TMZ.

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[laughter]

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PNW TMZ. So I kind of thought that the EVP saying get out. Remember, they sounded like a young boy.

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I thought maybe that might be Timmy telling them to leave so that like he can get his shenanigan on

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without getting caught. Okay, yeah. I guess that makes sense. Get out of here. I need to steal some

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keys. Play with the elevator man. Do that. I'm too weird because the other shirt that I was

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thinking about wearing, do you want to be the she to my nanigans? Oh, yeah, I forgot. Yes.

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But we say shenanigan like every episode. It's true. It's true. People also say they smell

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something strange coming from the bathroom. Go go right. Well, I feel like I don't really need to

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do any debunking here. I feel like it's probably just poop. Yeah, I mean, when you say strange,

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do you mean that you just smells like bathroom smells or like bathroom duty? Like doody? I mean, if the

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do I want to know the specifics. I really wish I had the specifics for you. What the smell was

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because if it was like maybe sulfur, maybe that could be also poop, but that also could be demon.

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Poop demons. Sorry, kind of demons sometimes. I often get the poop demons.

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Caitlyn wouldn't know anything about that. No, I'm very unfamiliar, but

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well, you're going to love this next person's name. I'll tell you that right now.

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Art Executive Director Sarah Justice was locking up one night and says a ghost hit her in the back

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and felt as though it actually passed through her. Okay, no, thank you. Justice for Sarah,

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which is what I always say when I get like a shiver, like a go-go. Yeah. I wonder if she got a shiver.

360
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She immediately turned around and of course there was nothing there because it was a ghost.

361
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She said although that was pretty scary, the energy in the building is always very, very good and she

362
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feels like safe and happy there. Okay, and she also feels like the spirits really like the staff

363
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because they're taking care of their building. You know, I mean, that makes sense, I guess.

364
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Sarah Justice, she honestly sounds like she should be one of the Avengers.

365
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And if she says that the building has good vibes, like I probably like, okay. Yeah, okay.

366
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:57,840
Sarah Justice says it's fine. It's fine. It's probably fine. Yeah. Exactly. I also was wondering like,

367
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why is she not like a lawyer? Because law school is expensive. And a lawyer is very different from

368
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an art executive director, I think. Very different things. Very, very different career paths.

369
00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:15,280
I actually love you where you're at, Sarah. You're doing, you're doing a great job. The ghost

370
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:22,560
love you, keep it up. Don't become a lawyer. Don't do that. Yeah. Unfortunately, this is the part

371
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I do have to tell you that there is another legend of a child passing away in the building when it was

372
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a school. All right. I know. Why is, stop with the, I don't like it. I would be super pissed to die at school.

373
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And like, and then stay there too. Yeah.

374
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This was apparently the janitor's daughter in the family lived in the attic in the 1930s. Stop it.

375
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:55,040
She's already been through enough. I know. She had a live at school. Hopefully she got to actually

376
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attend the school. I didn't even think about that. I guess. Yeah. Like, I don't know how old she was

377
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if she was even like junior high age. I'm not sure. But people see her fair-haired apparition

378
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floating around the museum. Okay. So do you remember the additional building, the annex that I said

379
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we were going to come back to? Yes. I always love how I'm like, do you remember? Do you remember?

380
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And I'm like, normally yes. And today it's kind of a coin toss. So you never know.

381
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So this is kind of crazy. They, they blew her up. I for a movie. Why? They blew it up for the movie

382
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Telefon, which is from 1977 starring Charles Bronson. Oh, I watched the trailer. It's kind of funny.

383
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Telefon? Telefon. Yeah. So I wanted you to look at the first link I sent you. If you keep

384
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scrolling down, you'll see pictures of them blowing it up. Shut up. That's why I didn't want you to

385
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:22,960
scroll too far. Oh, wow. There's like three pictures of them blowing it up. It's crazy. They super

386
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blew it up. Wow. Next to the building. Like what? I mean, they do controlled burns, controlled

387
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demolitions. I think the smoke and stuff makes that look a lot worse. Like it looks like the buildings

388
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nearby are far more jeopardy than they probably are, but I don't know. It's crazy though. And I'm just

389
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like, who approached who? Like, how did this? Like, hey, we need to blow up this building. Like,

390
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does anyone need it? Like for film? Or was it the other way? Like, I don't know. Like, hey,

391
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you're not using that. Can we blow it up? Yeah. I feel like in Hollywood, they have to have somebody

392
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that looks at public records and stuff and maybe they find. Like a scout. Yeah. Maybe they find

393
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:23,600
different things like that. Like planned demolitions or. Yeah. That's true. Wow. That was so

394
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weird. I will link the trailer in the in the sources because it's kind of funny. It's, you know,

395
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old movie. Yeah. Very dramatic. It's got the the guy with the trailer voice, you know, like the,

396
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yeah, in a world. Exactly. Like an older version of that though.

397
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I love it. To end our time here at the square, I'm going to leave y'all with a top-notch Google

398
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review from five years ago. Okay. Quote. One star is too much. The best part of the whole adventure

399
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:11,760
is the cosmetic surgery of the outside of the building. Nothing inside. Remind you of a 100-year-old

400
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school. Which is basically compliment because at the time, she was only 123. I mean, she was 123 years old.

401
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:30,080
So if you're saying she only looks 100. Yeah. Like thanks, girl. Thanks. Wow. Also.

402
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:40,880
You bitch. Like, 100-year-old school. Well, it is also like, yeah. I mean, kind of missing the point

403
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:49,680
there, you know, where it actually is. Yeah. And they say nothing inside. It's a museum full of art.

404
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:55,600
Now, not their cup of tea, I guess. I don't know where you were. Did you not go into any of the

405
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art rooms? Maybe you just wandered the halls. But I've seen videos and there's definitely art in the

406
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halls. So I don't know. I don't know where. What the just went in and looked at these teen stuff. And

407
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they were like, I'm out. Maybe, but I just had a thought. What if they went in to a time slip? Oh,

408
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:22,480
but then it would have looked kind of like a new school. Well, 100 maybe they were talking about like,

409
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:29,520
the vibe looked like it was 100 years old. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, they could have time slipped into

410
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like the window where the school. Oh, it was still there, but it was still a school. Like the

411
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:44,080
transition between like school and museum where like there was just nothing weird. Yeah. Maybe

412
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:57,200
solved it. Well, she liked to do some tarot. Let's do it. I think we should. I brought my cute ghosty

413
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:06,320
tarot deck with me today. Sundered energy into the cars. Okay, and I've got the tarot book.

414
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:12,960
Okay, I'm going to be shuffling them for a second. I cleanse them already. All right, all right, all right.

415
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:22,000
I think it's this one. It was like sticking up out of the car. I can't see what it is, but we're going to go

416
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:29,280
back. Oh, stop. Okay, I can't see it because my frame is too small. I know you can't, but this is crazy.

417
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:37,520
Shall I do me? Oh, what does that look like, dude? I was going to say, is it the tower? Yeah, that's

418
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:46,080
crazy. It's not the tower, but it is fire. It does. It's the fire. It's the explosion. Explosing. Explosing.

419
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:52,400
It is the ace of sticks also. I think we, which is interesting ones, right?

420
00:49:52,400 --> 00:50:02,800
Sticks. Oh my god. I know. That's three people. Okay. I think, yeah, sticks is ones. Okay. And it was

421
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:08,480
in reverse. Okay. We were just talking about the flames and it looks like smoke on the top. Like, oh,

422
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:17,520
my god. Did you guys see the picture? It looks like a mushroom cloud. Yeah. Dude, I'm dead. That's crazy. That's

423
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:30,480
crazy. Okay. Our keywords are opportunity, inspiration, adventure, creativity, and a new start.

424
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:39,040
Art, creativity, and new start. Yeah. Like, when you blow up a building, then in the building was like,

425
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:45,680
what was like for what read the keywords again? I'm so sorry. Opportunity. Opportunity. It reminded me

426
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:53,280
of like the four girls who like wanted the opportunity. Yes. Yeah. Right back to the beginning. Wow. Wow.

427
00:50:54,480 --> 00:51:05,600
Aces signify beginnings. Yeah. They also represent focused energy and clear singular intent.

428
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:13,520
Focused energy on like focusing on blowing up one part of the building, but not the other. Maybe,

429
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:23,360
in the writer, wait, Smith, tarot, and some other decks. The ace of ones shows a disembodied hand emerging

430
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:31,440
from a cloud, grasping a stick from which new shoots grow. The message, here's an opportunity.

431
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:39,440
Grab it. Some decks picture only a wand, often one that's large and elaborate like a ruler's

432
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:48,320
sector or a witch's ceremonial tool. And there is an extra excerpt before actually there's two

433
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:57,200
before our interpretation. Okay. The first one's really short because this just goes back to how the ace,

434
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:05,360
it's the highest or lowest. In modern day games of chance, the ace often stands as the highest card.

435
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:14,240
In the tarot, however, it occupies the other end of the spectrum. Not the lowest, but the earliest step.

436
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:22,240
Hmm. Interesting. Yeah. Because we talked about the earliest step of the building and then like where it is now.

437
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:27,200
Yeah. Get a little bit more of my divination juice.

438
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:35,200
You were always newer to the divine and the true sources of your power than you think.

439
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:43,440
Clearly. The lure of the distant and the difficult is deceptive.

440
00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:52,240
The great opportunity is where you are. Oh, I like every place is under the stars.

441
00:52:52,240 --> 00:53:01,120
Every place is the center of the world. Every place is the Pacific Northwest. Yeah. I love it.

442
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,640
I love that your head goes there immediately. I don't know.

443
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:14,160
Okay. The reverse interpretation for the ace of ones is delays and complications have stalled and

444
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:22,560
endeavor and you feel frustrated or impatient. Oh, that's interesting because I didn't put this in,

445
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:27,760
but they were having that issues in the attic, which I'm like, is that a show?

446
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:35,920
Oh my god. Yeah. So they had a huge bat colony in the attic, but obviously it's not good for an older

447
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:41,520
building to have like back wall know everywhere and they want to like use that space up there for storage

448
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:48,240
and stuff and yeah. And they were working on, you know, trying to get a grant to help out with that.

449
00:53:48,240 --> 00:53:53,040
And they were, I think they were having some trouble getting that they were trying to raise money.

450
00:53:53,040 --> 00:54:04,000
So that's interesting. Okay. Yeah. So that ties in not even a stretch. Yeah. I know. Yeah. Wow.

451
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,880
As a result, you may question yourself and your ability.

452
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:17,280
You might have to rethink your plans and make adjustments or perhaps sit back and wait for a better

453
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:24,400
time. Like when a production company approaches you about using a controlled demolition or

454
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:33,120
part of their move, you said. Yeah. I wonder if they were going to have to pay to like tear that down

455
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:41,360
and then they got it done for free or yeah, maybe that's kind of what I was thinking. Oh, that's

456
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:48,240
interesting. I bet you the Hollywood production company was like, oh yeah, we'll totally pay to blow that

457
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:56,400
up. But like we're going to blow it up. You know what they need to do. They need another Hollywood movie

458
00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:07,200
to come film in the attic and then they can get rid of the bats. Yeah. Not blow it up. But you know,

459
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:13,440
just clean it up. Yeah. Yeah. Just come through. Just burst it up. It's a big project because they have

460
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:19,040
to let there's like places in the roof all over where they they can get in. So they have to like

461
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:27,120
blow it up inside and out all of those spots. Oh man. Yeah. That sounds like why did the project?

462
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:34,000
It was like fixed to rubber. I think that was two years ago where I saw that. Okay. So I don't know

463
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:40,560
if they've gotten that done yet or not. I'm not sure. So that seems recent enough. In a reading about

464
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:48,800
money, this card suggests consolidating your finances and focusing on what's essential.

465
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:57,520
Curb spending. Don't overextend yourself now. I mean, they run on like donations and stuff. So I

466
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:01,840
don't think that they have that. Yeah. They have that. You're like, that's probably not going to happen.

467
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:07,920
Yeah. Okay. In a reading about work, it can mean an enthusiastic start,

468
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:16,640
fizzled or met with obstacles. Obstacles probably. Yeah. You don't have to give up, but you may need to

469
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:24,720
put in some extra effort or reassess the situation. This card may advise you to wait for a more

470
00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:32,560
auspicious time when the force is with you to begin a project or other venture. Oh,

471
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:40,720
interesting. Oh, you're only. Oh, well, now I want to know how it's going over there in Montana.

472
00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:48,000
And oh, great falls. Great falls. Oh, I can't believe that. It's so wild. Well,

473
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:58,800
okay. In a reading about love, the ACE reversed suggests an enjoyable relationship may be

474
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:07,840
short-lived. Perhaps you approached an affair wearing rose-colored glasses and now see it's not what

475
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:14,960
you really want. This card may also mean the initial passion in a romance is dwindling.

476
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:23,600
I hope that's not about the ghosts. Like, I hope that they're like thinking the ghosts like them and

477
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:30,640
feeling like the positive energy. I hope that doesn't like dwindle. It worries me because of the

478
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:38,160
thing that like pushed through her. Like, I don't know if that was. Yeah. She said it was scary, but

479
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:43,360
it still felt like overall positive energy in the building, but I don't know. Like, could have

480
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:49,360
been an accident, but it could have not been. Could have been a ghost like, "Ah, I didn't see you there.

481
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:57,440
It didn't mean to walk through you, you know." I'm just, I'm realizing because obviously I told you that

482
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:03,760
I have family that lives in Montana now. That's where my mom was born.

483
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:17,360
My grandparents lived in great falls. What? That's crazy. I had no idea. Yeah. And Jesus Christ,

484
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:23,040
I feel like this, I'm giving people all of the things that they need to, all of the key word

485
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:32,000
stuff that they need to be able to steal my identity right now. But my grandparents, my grandma's

486
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:45,920
name was Audrey, but her nickname was one of them was Ace. Oh, what? That's so weird. I thought

487
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:51,600
you were going to say Timmy for a second. I was like, "Oh, oh, oh, oh, my gosh, that's crazy. You guys

488
00:58:51,600 --> 00:59:02,560
get the eights." Oh, that's so sweet. Yeah, you're welcome. Thank you. I don't know why I picked. I know I was

489
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:11,360
like right off the bat. I was like so random. So random. Yeah. Especially like the first thing I do in

490
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:17,200
Montana, and I didn't, you know, I searched haunted things in Montana and found an article of a bunch

491
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:24,960
of different ones. And I was like, "Oh, school, back to school. Like, let's do it." So it wasn't. Yeah. Interesting.

492
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:30,960
Yeah, that's just so funny because I guess immediately I was kind of thinking like,

493
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:37,520
that is weird that I said boiler. And this is like all about like a boiler room. Yeah.

494
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:49,440
Okay. Well, I don't, I'm not exactly sure if I know what I think it means, but I feel like it's

495
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:57,520
all synchronistic. Yeah. I did have another thought about it being a school and stuff. I've heard a

496
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:05,760
lot of ghost stories, obviously. And you? Yeah, I know me. One of the things about schools, why they

497
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:11,360
think it holds on to like so much energy, why they're often pretty haunted is because it's like a

498
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:19,360
transition period for kids. And there's a lot of, you know, emotions and energy. Yeah. In a school.

499
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:26,800
And it just kind of sticks there. And so I was thinking, well, this whole building was a school. And

500
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:34,320
also it blew up too. So like, I don't know what energy from like the explosion, if that kind of

501
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:40,960
energized anything that was going on there, I'm not sure how that works either. Yeah. I don't know.

502
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:50,880
I mean, do we watch ghost busters and might just take their pointers? I wonder if now that's why

503
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:59,680
they feel like the ghosts like, enjoy them, like them because the building has been abused in the past.

504
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:06,480
So maybe they weren't like super happy with that. I mean, I feel like that makes sense. Yeah.

505
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:13,760
I also can't believe we got a fucking stick tree tree. And it has like arms that looks like.

506
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:22,240
Oh, you're, I didn't even put this together. Okay, so you were doing your lights and you're like,

507
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:28,080
is it orange enough? And I was like, well, make your chandelier like darker orange and you made it red.

508
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:34,480
And you have orange and red because we're kind of going for fall vibes. But like, I didn't even put

509
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:39,760
together like the explosion stuff when we were talking about the lights either. Well, and you'll remember,

510
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:49,920
I think maybe because I I struggled to remember, I'm clearly not a plant, wait, the plant that I have

511
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:56,160
in the pot lab that's at the top of the show. What is that? That's your grandma's plant. Yeah,

512
01:01:56,160 --> 01:02:01,760
but what kind of plant is it? Is it? Oh, what a kind of plant is it? Oh, I don't remember.

513
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:06,880
I thought you would remember what kind of plant it was. Oh, I don't know off the top of my head.

514
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:12,480
But that's the same grandma, right? That you're talking about? Oh my gosh. She's just like always

515
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:16,320
up in your grill. I feel like with these terms. I think a little bit. Yeah.

516
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:25,680
Probably, you know, we've got the plant in here. So she's channeling something. Also, no shade, but

517
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:35,760
she was clearly a witchy bitch. All of her and her mothers like favorite animals.

518
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:48,720
I mean, just familiar city. Just witchy, just witchy out the wazoo. I'm like good. Hmm.

519
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:57,040
They're wanting maybe they're kind of like trying to channel that witchiness into you because

520
01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:02,960
they didn't get to express it. You know, I'm not even sure that they would have known that they

521
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:14,240
wanted to. Yeah. But exactly. For most of my maternal grandmother's life, she had two black dogs.

522
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:25,520
Like multiple different two black dogs. I love that. She loved frogs. Her mother loved owls.

523
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:32,640
I mean, just listen, I think a lot of people would argue that owls and frogs

524
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:40,960
not inherently loveable animals for a lot of people. Oh, I think they're adorable. I think they're

525
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:48,560
adorable. Like for me, there's like an emotional like connection there that's I feel like separate

526
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:54,240
from how I might listen owls. If you really want to talk about their eating habits and stuff,

527
01:03:54,240 --> 01:04:05,680
those are some creepy mother fuggers. I want owl pellets so bad. I also, before we end,

528
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:15,200
did we still want to say a couple things about the fest? True crime fest. I wanted to show off

529
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:22,800
my ghost face. Get it? I know that was so cute. Oh, you know what? Do you remember where I got this from?

530
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:32,720
I think it was the same stall where I bought a couple of things that I think the pod people are

531
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:39,440
going to like. Was it the book lady? Yeah. I think so. I think so too. I got a book.

532
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:46,720
I'm very excited. You have to say the name of the book for people who can't see the video.

533
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:58,400
Oh, that's fair. Totally terrifying true crime trivia by Brian Boone. Love it.

534
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:10,080
Never. We love the illiteration, Brian Boone. And then I also got a game. So this is criminal mastermind,

535
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:23,360
true crime trivia. Oh, there's a lot of goodies in here and I'm still, still letting it season.

536
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:29,520
I'm holding it over. I'm thinking about how we want to use this. Maybe with the Patreon.

537
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:38,160
Maybe with our socials. Maybe a little bit above. Yeah, we'll see. I feel like it would be really fun

538
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:45,040
to do like a game night with the Patreon. Oh, yeah, that would be fun. Yeah.

539
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:54,400
We started and I don't know if we've even released any of them are cold reads from that one creepy book.

540
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:59,520
We didn't finish it. I don't know if we're going to go back to it. We did do a couple of them.

541
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:06,800
I don't know. Like maybe that's something like if we did like a read along. Maybe that's what it should be.

542
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:15,200
Like instead of it being us recording it, like let's do like like a segment where we do like

543
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:22,480
some true crimes and you know, maybe we can find something similar to this. It's like paranormal.

544
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:32,560
But do like a true crime trivia. We could like, I don't know. I feel like there's other board games

545
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:41,920
that fit in that we could play online and we do like a game night. I think it would be fun.

546
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:47,440
And then I think we do like a read along. Like not popcorn read.

547
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:54,160
And I want to figure out one. We should do popcorn reading. We'll get on Zoom and just popcorn read to

548
01:06:54,160 --> 01:07:02,560
each other. No. No, but if we were kind of toying around with this book that we got and some

549
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:09,440
different things that we could do to kind of like create some fun content for Patreon. And I think

550
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:15,840
maybe if we did like a little read along like a live stream of us reading it, that might be fun.

551
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:23,680
Maybe yeah, maybe we can release like the first chapter or two that we did actually do like hold

552
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:33,040
reads on. And then we can get them kind of sucked in and like people will know what the book is

553
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:38,800
like kind of about. It's a bunch of short stories. But maybe then people are like, oh these are kind

554
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:46,720
of interesting and like I want to listen to these. And I don't know. That maybe do a little

555
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:53,440
little live read with with our friends. I'm down for that. Whatever you all want. I'm just saying I'm

556
01:07:53,440 --> 01:08:01,520
just coming up with the idea. She's that ideal woman. Just like no, I'm like I'm a thousand percent.

557
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:16,560
Like execution is not it's like 80% idea and 20% execution. So thank Cassie for the other you know

558
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:22,560
whatever gets executed. She did the other 80% of that because I'm like you're gonna be a lot of credit

559
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:32,800
here. What if we just did she's like I don't know. I don't know. Figure it out. Yeah.

560
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:38,560
And then sometimes we figure it out. Sometimes we don't and then you don't ever see it or hear about.

561
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:47,200
Yeah. And then it's like okay bye. We gotta go. But I think that'd be super fun. I would love to hear

562
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:54,080
from our Patreon and just from listeners a large if they would be interested in that.

563
01:08:54,800 --> 01:09:05,200
So listeners at large. Large and in charge. She did. She did.

564
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:12,400
For clock tower. Have the creepiest day. We'll see you next Tuesday.

565
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:18,560
For God's sake. I hope I don't have COVID by that. No, you know.

566
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:28,240
Do you hear that? Oh my god. Is that Timmy? Timmy. Timmy with this so long key.

567
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:38,320
That was me you guys. Oh it's my beetle juice. I love it. I love it. It's I really like.

568
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:39,440
I thought twice.

569
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:52,320
Okay so I go out there or I go you know too close the door and I look over because I'm like I'm

570
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:57,120
going to close the door. So you don't have to be like as quiet. He's literally sitting on the couch

571
01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:05,440
which like is like right by the door. It backs up to the wall of the pot lab and he's sitting there

572
01:10:05,440 --> 01:10:12,960
eating. He's just got the whole like it's like one of those big boxes like movie candy size of

573
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:20,720
nerds that I got. I instacarded last night because here's the thing. Dairy Queen betrayed me

574
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:29,760
a long time ago and they stopped making nerd blizzards. So everyone's and well I will get a container

575
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:36,720
of vanilla ice cream and I will get nerds and I mix those bad boys together and oh my

576
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:45,520
nerds and ice cream. Yeah it's so good. It's like sweet but also like his nerds are kind of like they

577
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:52,080
are you know fruity and tangy and sour kind of. I like them and like the nerd slushy that

578
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:59,120
Sonic does. Oh I didn't know they made a nerd slushy but like dairy and nerds for some reason don't

579
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:07,600
aren't. No it's amazing. It's amazing. It's my favorite. It's my favorite thing. Maybe I would try it

580
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:13,600
one day with some dairy free vanilla ice cream but I don't know I wouldn't be like super stoked to try it.

581
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:21,600
You should be it's incredible. Okay. May. Am I? I don't know if I trust you anymore. I don't know if

582
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:31,280
I trust your judge Wow. Wow. Judgy make a judge than over here. Okay well I'm gonna let you

583
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:35,760
I'ma let you finish. Okay thank you. Oh speaking of Taylor's Swift.

584
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:37,760
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