Ghostly Encounters in Montana: A Haunting in Great Falls

0:00 So one of the permanent exhibits is self-taught artist Lee Steen's tree people. And it is 234 sculptures of sort of people made from cottonwood branches and other found materials. Are you seeing it? Uh-huh. Do you love it? I have some thoughts and feelings. You know how I feel about dolls. Yes, but there's sticks. There's stick figure people. Hi, Caitlyn. Hi, Cassie. Hi, creepy people. Hello.

0:44 If you're new to our creepy corner of the world, this is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we chat about true crime, the paranormal and all things spooky in the Pacific Northwest. She went for it. I'm feeling it. It just came out of me. It's not cool. It's just like coming out of your pores, which is I have to say better than being sweaty and or, you know, mucusy, which has been a lot of my recent experience. Or maybe, I know. This is so weird. We don't record remotely very much, but here we are.

1:26 You know what we do do a lot though? Do do. We also do a Tarot reading at the end of every episode. I thought you were going to say get sick. You usually get sick a lot. I typically don't. For those of you that maybe don't know, aren't keeping track of my wellness. Already, this is my first bout with COVID. I gotta say zero out of 10. Is it really your first? Yeah. As far as I know. As far as I know. Okay, that makes a lot more sense. I don't know why I thought you would have had at least one.

2:10 And I'm over here like, this is my fifth time. I got this. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, I'm, I guess. I guess being vaccinated, I sort of thought, oh, okay, you know, obviously I don't want to get COVID. It's less than ideal. But I figured that, you know, how bad could it be, right? Because, you know, I'm vaccinated. And I do think I'm shy. A single booster, which now really feels like a gigantic oversight. But so I'm going to, I'm going to get that under my belt. I need to look into that. I think this situation has made that abundantly clear for me. Everyone look into that and get yourself safe and vaccinated if you can. Yeah. Yeah. Because yeah, this has been quite, quite the debacle. I kind of can't believe how sick I've been. So I know. It's so sad. But you guys didn't really get to miss us too much because we did have an episode that you did with the old crime that we posted. So they got to me you. Yeah, which ironic because I know definitely the one who could not record when we very desperately needed to. But so anyway, we're talking about this terror reading we do at the end of every episode. We just do it for a little bit of deeper insight into our topic

3:43 for the day, which happens to be my topic. We all know what that means. Okay. I don't know if anybody could tell by my shirt. It's not just a phase and it's not. And it has a jackaland on it and this is my new favorite shirt. I love it. This is I think my new favorite shirt. Oh, I love that. I was torn. I was like, do I wear one of our new merch shirts that we made that we wore for the festival or do I go spooky? Well, and I have a sweatshirt and I think three tank tops that CJ from Beyond the Rainbow gave me and I was going to wear one of those tank tops. It's finally to the part of the year where now the recording studio will not be like a boiler room. It's going to be cooler. So I thought, whoa, I would probably get cold if I wore a tank top. It's weird that you just said boiler room.

4:51 Well, okay. Okay. So that's I don't know if I've ever heard you have you said that before? Have you like said that before about the pod room or things being hot? I don't know that I ever have. Actually, yeah. Yeah. Okay. I'm kind of freaked out now. Is that something to do with the story or maybe are you just having a deja vu? I guess we'll see. Okay, great. So we'll talk more about the true crime fest Northwest. You did. Yeah. We'll talk a little bit more about it at the end of the episode. Yes. Because we had fun. We did have fun. But let's get into my episode. I'm so excited.

5:34 Obviously, I'm super excited for fall. So naturally, I was looking at articles about fall foliage. Fall foliage. Because I, you know, I just I want to see where the good fall foliage is in the PNW. And I was looking for maybe some inspiration on an episode. And I kind of found it. Oh, okay. What you found? Well, I will tell you. So one of the states on the list was Montana. And this was a Pacific Northwest article. So I was like, well, I guess I never really thought of Montana as Pacific Northwest. But if this article says it is, yeah, we're talking about it. And I don't have I've never done an episode in Montana before that I know of. I don't think you have. I think I've had a couple of cases that touched on areas of Montana. But yeah, I don't know. I kind of I kind of count it. But yeah, right. You know, this article did. So yeah, I also have family that lives in Montana. So maybe that's why I'm like, hey, how's the foliage?

6:44 Some fall foliage out there. Yeah. Yeah. Send us photos of your foliage. Well, so now that I am blessed, hashtag blessed with the knowledge that Montana is part of the Pacific Northwest. I always feel like fall is a new year. So new year, new me. We're going to be visiting Montana more. I'm going to make it a resolution. Oh, I like it. Montana. Watch out. I feel like there's got to be so much good, like untouched. I don't know, just spooky stuff, stories and content. And so hopefully some people will give us some hot tips on it. Yeah, give us suggestions.

7:29 Yeah. If you're from Montana, write us a little story. You can email us at pnwhauntsandhomicides@gmail.com. And we will read it on a creepy people chronicles. We will out loud. If you guys don't know what we're referencing, we used to say that. Do we not need more? We don't have an outro anymore that we say. Yeah. I guess I forgot. Yeah. We're quite forgetful and also very busy and also semi lazy. Yeah, all of those things are true. Oh, true. We just tried to throw in the promos here and there's, you know, so you don't. So you don't even notice that they're happening. Yeah. Infiltrating your brain.

8:14 Woo, there was a promo. I have a candle that I'm going to light because it smells like fall. It's kitchen spice. Oh, sitting right now. This is Jessica's candle. Thank you, Jessica, for letting me use your candle in your house. Oh, it just smells so fall. Do it. According to tripsavvy.com's article, best places to see fall color in the Pacific Northwest. Quote. Montana. Best viewed while driving through national parks and forests from late September through mid-October. The color is very depending on elevation and you'll need to have a car equipped with four-wheel drive to access some roads. Yeah. Yeah. I would say all of that is there.

8:58 Which, you know, I don't know a lot about Montana. So I've spent a fair bit of time there driving through Montana, the neighboring states to Montana. Nice. National parks. So we spent all summer adventuring around the PNW and the wilderness and I felt like we've just had enough of the outdoors, don't you? I don't know. I unpopular opinion in our genres, but I'm like, I love the outdoors. I mean, did you love my outdoors like the caves and the in the haunted mountain tops and what was the other one? I don't remember. I know. Those of the trees. Okay, the trees were cool.

9:43 Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, maybe I like the outdoors. Just I don't maybe not the version that you've been focused on. I'm just ready. I'm ready to get back indoors and you know, it's back to school. Let's go back to school, y'all. We're in doorsy kids overall. Did anyone else just have like a like a popcorn reading panic attack? I said, let's go back to school. Oh god. Because I definitely did. I don't mind reading. I just don't like the popcorn part of it. You know what I mean? We've talked about it before. It's anxiety. I can't focus on what's being read because I'm like, oh, I gotta be called.

10:26 And I am not good at reading things, you know, that I didn't write myself. So I'm not even that good at reading things that I did write myself. Honestly, I think it's obviously just a play to make sure that you're paying attention. And I don't I think it has. It doesn't want to be the first. Yeah. Yeah. For certain, for certain members of society, I might have the opposite of that. Most. Well, we're going to go all the way back to 1890 when four young ladies who had finished grammar school asked for more advanced public schooling in Great Falls, Montana. Really? Yes. In Great Falls? Yes. Do you know Great Falls? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've never heard of it. Really? I don't know anything about Montana. Oh, that's a later. I will kind of explore. Yeah. You're like, I literally don't know anything about it. I don't know nothing. I did have to look it up. grammar school is from about 10 to 14 years old. So what they're asking for is a high school, basically. Okay. Yeah. That seems fair.

11:36 I wouldn't want to ask for more school, but like I get it back in the day. You're like, you need the knowledge, you know? Okay. Well, here's the thing, especially in like rural Midwest, which is so cool. I think Montana technically is kind of considered part of the Midwest. No, it's pretty unboundary. It is what we say it is. And when we say it is, if you were all through your schooling and everything, think about it like yeah, in your fort dame, like basically it was like, okay, you're probably going to be like married off. Yeah. So I'd be like, yeah, I think I want to go to high school. That is very true. I think I want to go to high school. Maybe college. Maybe I'll be a doctor. So that same year after asking for a high school, they were shacked up with some middle schoolers in the same building. They weren't in the same classes, but they were in the same building.

12:32 So they were getting their high school classes, but just in a middle school building. Okay. When you say shacked up, that is very different. Connotation to me. Because we just talked about being married, too. I guess. I don't know why I word it like that. Who knows? I love it. There was no nasty shenanigans. Okay. Get your minds out of the dang gutter. Yeah. Okay. Okay. They did have to share a building for a little while because even in their second year of officially being a high school without their own building, they only had 23 students. So a little hard to probably justify building an entire building for that small amount of children. Yeah. That's fair. Okay. Remind me what year is this? 1890.

13:16 Okay. Yeah. That tracks. Yes. I don't think that the high school classes got a lot bigger for quite a while. They did. They did. I'll tell you about it. Okay. For whatever reason, I don't know if more people were deciding to go to school or if more people were moving to that town in particular, but they quickly realized that they needed more space for all of these knowledge seeking teens. Finally, after the long awaited arrival of slate blackboards, the first high school building in Great Falls, Montana was dedicated in 1896. And it had capacity for 500 students, which is like, that's a lot. Yeah. That would be. But that's like 500 for like all four years or more years of high school.

14:09 Yeah. So I feel like if there's like an even amount, it would be like 125 or so per class. Yeah. If I can can't really do math that well, but that's something. Yeah. No, that's that's right. Yeah. I'm guessing if we're talking about 40, if we're talking about four years and 500 kids, that that's right. But that's still like, but bigger than 23, you know, that's, that's a lot bigger. It is a lot bigger. I wouldn't say not a lot in a big time. Yeah. The school though is like pretty fucking big. Also, fun fact, we stopped using slate for blackboards in the 60s. Oh, interesting. Great Balls is about 90 miles northeast of Helena, which is the capital, which is the only town in Montana that I knew.

14:58 So it's like that's a lazy. So I usually compare it to like how far things are from like Portland or Seattle, like big cities. And I was like, what's a big fucking city on Montana? Like I literally couldn't even think of like a big city. So I was like, I'm just the capital. I don't know. Oh god. What tell me a big city? Well, I don't know how I don't know that it's big by like the standards of like Portland or Seattle, but there's like Calis Bell. Calis Bell is really well known. It's really, it's a popular place. It's like absolutely booming. It's like, I would like in it to bend here in Oregon. It's a lot like that. It's, it's still like a rural community, but like it's, it's growing. It's very expensive to live there now. A lot of celebrities have their vacation homes.

15:55 And then I think Bozeman is like the college town. Bozeman. That's that sort of that one rings a bell, I think, because of Big Bang Theory. All right. But with it, Sheldon, he went to Bozeman, Montana. It's something I don't, that doesn't sound right to me, but I don't know. I don't know why this, it happened. Okay. Someone look it up and tell me it happened. I don't remember that at all. Sheldon went to Bozeman, Montana. I believe you. I just, I don't remember that at all. I feel like I would remember that, but I don't know why. I don't, I don't even know if I'm right, but it's in there, and it came out of my mouth also. That's what's happening. And then there's Glendive, which I don't think is a big city, but gosh, yeah, no, I don't know. Great falls. Now I'm learning more about on the places. This is a place that like the high school, this is a learning place. Okay. It is. Yeah.

16:57 You should watch Yellowstone. Oh, you've told me that before. I do need to. It's on the list. The Missouri River runs right through the town, and it's called the electric city because a lot of dams and power plants are there. Oh, and you know, my first thought. Do they have dam mermaids there? I did not know your first thought. How did you not read my mermaid mind? You know, honestly, I feel like I blame the COVID. You should. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to send you pictures. Oh, okay. Kind of look at the top ones. Don't scroll too far down, but I want to do to see the pretty, pretty building. The high school is built, and it's called Great Falls or Central High School. It was called kind of both in some of the articles. And it occupied the building from 1896 to 1930. And it was topped with a four-faced clock tower that was almost as tall as the actual building. So as you can see in this first picture, how tall this fucking clock tower is. Pretty tall. Yeah. It's huge. Huge.

18:11 But it sadly had to be removed in 1916 because she was too thick. Oh, no. The building was not structurally able to handle all of that. Oh, boy. Yeah. It's kind of funny because I read that they put such a huge clock tower on the building to emphasize to students how important it was to spend their time wisely. Oh, interesting. It's just like a big symbol of spending your time wisely, I guess, which what a better example of how to invest your time wisely than to build a giant clock tower. By the way, people actually knew probably wouldn't hold up and then have to tear it down 20 years later.

19:00 Way to go, guys. The irony. Yeah. Okay. Top-notch role models here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No notes. It is kind of interesting to I another fact that I read. It was that to compact the backfill around the foundation, a hundred sheep were shepherded a hundred times around the building. Okay. Doesn't that funny? I mean, it's just kind of like what do you have a lot of in Montana? I'm assuming livestock. Yeah. That's like, I guess I never really thought of it. Like if you're putting like loose dirt back in like, yeah, you'd want to pack it down so things don't sink. Like how would you do that? A hundred sheep, a hundred times. Yeah. That's really funny. I don't know that that's how this whole thing played out. I don't know that that's like a resounding endorsement for that method.

20:00 But the building is fine. The clock tower was just too heavy. It didn't have anything to do with the foundation. Okay. The foundation solid. We're good together. Sheep did their work. Okay. Yeah. I mean, hey, the house don't fall if the bones are good. Hayes for horses. Here I am trying to incorporate some country, you know, like a modern country song lyric into this our repertoire and your life. Did it. Hayes for horses. I'm like, wow. I feel like I'm maybe I'm trying to hard. No, it's perfect. It worked out perfectly. In 1913 an addition was built and the boiler room had to be moved closer to the new building. Okay. They supposedly turn the old boiler room into a pool. A pool. Yeah. Because why not? It's a big empty space. Oh, can you guess where the old boiler room was located in the building? In the basement. It was in the basement. Yeah.

21:11 And usually in the basement. A like and think of is like Pennywise down there in the basement. Like, do you want to float? Oh, and I'm fully ready for Halloween. I don't I don't know how I feel about a pool in the basement. I'm going to be honest. In your genre, in my genre, I can't think of a single example where that plays out. Like, yeah, I don't know. Positively. A lot of the only place you could put it. A lot of bad vibes and murder in basement pools. Basement pools. Murder basement pools. I see. Not a fan. Okay. So we've got like kind of the giggles out because it's actually not a very funny situation because although there are no official reports of this, there is a legend of a student tragically drowning in the pool. No. I know. That's why you don't put them in the basement. Yeah. Like, who's keeping an eye out down there? You know, there's no life guard on duty in the basement. No, unless it's Pennywise. That would be the best fucking life guard. Like, prank to do on Halloween is just dress like Pennywise and be the life guard.

22:33 Okay. Now I want to be a life guard. I'm not very good at swimming. I was going to say, I didn't, hmm, huh. Interesting. Okay. That's a choice. Even though there's no official reports of this, even alumni have come forward talking about how this did happen. Ooh. Like, Ronna says in a greatfallstribune.com article quote, as a ninth grader in art class, my friend and I were sent to the abandoned swimming pool. Oh, it's now it's abandoned. What? Like, is someone pass away in it? Oh, that's right. It's a long pass away in it. I can't remember what I wrote you guys. It's been a while. Oh, I hate this. So they were sent to the abandoned swimming pool in the old building because they were in the annex. Oh, yeah. The new part of the school.

23:23 To paint on very large canvases. So that makes sense so they don't get the classroom's messy. Sure. We had to climb down a rickety wooden ladder to reach the bottom of the pool. It was rumored to be haunted by the drowning of a student. Okay. The pool wasn't used since 1938 when my data attended the school. So I assume maybe the student like passed away in like 1938. Okay. Because like, how would you use the pool after that? Yeah. I don't know. I feel like 1938 things are about to get pretty wild in the world. I feel like the last thing people were worried about was some freaking pool.

24:09 It's like right before the start of World War II. Oh, I was just thinking like that. I mean, someone died in there. I hope that he didn't die in like 1920 and they used it for another 18 years, you know what I mean? Like, I don't know. I mean, I think, you know, people die in a lot of places. People die in hospitals. That doesn't mean we board them up. But you're supposed to die in a house. The kid is not supposed to die in a school pool. So I don't know. I just felt like, I just, I hope that they didn't keep using it after one someone passed away in the pool. That's just, if it's even true, you know, who knows? There wasn't any reports of hauntings that people could specifically say, was this boy who passed away? But some people say they hear strange sounds coming from the basement.

25:06 Because I'm neat. But I'm also pretty sure they put the boiler room back in there. So maybe it's just the boiler room making weird sounds again. I just feel like maybe, maybe, maybe we just, maybe we just board up the whole basement like that whole area. I don't know. But they need the boiler room. Do they? They need to go where their tank tops down into the boiler room. It's so funny. You said that earlier. It just like blows my mind. Yeah. I, I'm not really sure what to say about that. That's, that actually really kind of creeps me out.

25:46 Because it's not something that I, I don't think I've ever heard you say that. But, no, I mean, there literally has been a bar in Portland named the boiler room. And I still don't think it's even a phrase that I've said more than a handful of times. And I feel like you would have said like a sauna or something else. Yes. Yes. We are. Okay. Moving on. We were beginning up my boiler room vibes. Yeah. Up here at least. There's more about this. Not the boiler room specifically with the annex. That will get to at the end. Okay. The school changes to Paris Gibson Junior High School from 1930 to 1975. And then in 1977, it became the Paris Gibson Square Museum of Art, known as the Square.

26:40 The Square. And it remains as the square to this day, the Art Museum. Okay. And it is on the national register of historic places. Okay. Which a lot of places I talk about are because they're old and haunted. No. They have over a thousand pieces in their permanent art collection and rotating exhibitions featuring Northwest Regional Contemporary Art, American Indian Contemporary Art, and American Self-Taught Art. That's very cool. It is super cool. Yeah. And we're going to learn a little bit more about some of the self-taught art too in a second. Oh. Should I be scared? Well, I really, I really love it. I think it's really cool. I don't think it's scary at all. But you know, we'll see.

27:28 So this is a quote from the museum website. The museum provides a variety of cultural, educational, artistic, and cross-disciplinary enrichment opportunities for both children and adults. They include 20 to 25 unique art exhibitions per year. School tours with hands-on art activities, workshops and classes for all ages abilities, outreach programs for underserved populations, our traveling museum outreach program, a fully developed art lesson on American Indian Contemporary Art brings art education to rural schools and organizations free of charge. So I just think they do a lot of really good work in their community involving art. Yeah. I feel like this feels maybe different than hopscotch though. Hopscotch. Yeah, you're right. Oh, yes. That's like the immersive art museum art experience. Yeah. You guys, we have something really exciting to share with you.

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30:02 So we are going to talk about one of the exhibitions. It's one of the permanent art collections that they have. It's one of my favorite things. I really need to go to Montana and see this because it's so cool. Okay, twist what? So one of the permanent exhibits is self-taught artist Lee Stien's Tree People. And it is 234 sculptures of sort of people made from cottonwood branches and other found materials. Are you seeing it? Uh huh. Do you love it? I have some thoughts and feelings.

30:43 You know how I feel about dolls. Yes. But there are sticks. There are stick figure people. I can't help but feel that these are akin to creepy dolls. These remind me of the doll that we made a couple of different little clips of you. It was the one that talked from Ghost of Summer. Yeah, because the face was kind of like slightly weird and falling off. These are like he just, what he did was look at the branch and like he could kind of already see like the face in it and he just put things on it to kind of like bring out what he already saw in the branch. Yeah, no, I mean, in that respect, um, totally see that and um, very gifted and um, super art, art stuff. Um, but they're not normal faces. They're, uh, they're wonky. I wonky feel uncomfortable.

31:48 And I would not want to be left alone with them. That's, you're not the only one who thinks that. But I would love to be in there. I think they're so freaking cool. They're very cool. Um, again, just don't want to be left alone with them. Also, if anyone wants to learn more about Lee, I will have a link for you in the sources. It's super interesting to know how all of this came to be. One more quick thing I just wanted to include about him. He had a twin brother named Dee. Stop it. They were Lee and Dee. I'm just the cutest fucking thing. Lee and Dee Steen. Yes. I know. I love it.

32:33 I just want to bite their faces off. I was watching um, a clip of their small town news segment on the museum during spooky season. And they were saying that people either love this room or get super creeped out by it, which I could see. Yeah. But when mediums come through, they do report very positive feelings in the room and in the building. Interesting. Okay. They were doing the segment because they were having ghost hunts hunts USA come and do an investigation there. Really? Yeah. At the museum. At the museum. I think okay. Like a couple of ghost paranormal investigators come through. Okay.

33:19 When they were doing their kind of initial walkthrough, they reported feeling a lot of energy specifically in the tree people room and they felt that Lee Steen's Spirit was there. Not like, not like his ghost was haunting it, but like they could feel the spirit of him like through the art all around the room, I think. Oh. Okay. I'm like, uh, sure, sure, sure. Not his ghost. His ghost is not there. I was like, is he no longer with us? He is no longer with us. Him and Dee have passed a while back. Okay. This is very, this is old. I didn't like a bunch of that information in there because it's not about that. But if you want to know more, go to my link.

34:02 Okay. I think those like the 70s, they adopted these. Oh, okay. These tree people. So they're old creepy. Yeah. And he was already kind of old. ghost hunts USA, actually, their site is shut down. So I don't know if they probably don't run anything anymore. Maybe they're just, they're dunzy. Dunzo. So I couldn't dunzy. I like it. I was say, I was about to say dunzo. And I was like, don't fucking do it. That's the stupidest thing. Don't say it. And so I chose dunzy. Dunzy. And I think it's better. Okay. I'm standing by it. All right. I mean, it's okay to be wrong. So I went to their website to look to see if they had posted any evidence. But obviously I couldn't find any. I did find in another article that another team of paranormal investigators went through and they got an EVP of what sounded like a young boy telling them to get out. Oh, great. Okay. Bye. You're like, fine. That's fine. I'll go.

35:00 I don't really have any issue with that. So I'll just leave. So I don't know if that was talking about the ghost in USA team or a different team. I'm not really sure. It was just the article did not specify, unfortunately. Wow. Some of the paranormal happenings that visitors and staff have reported are hearing children playing, talking and even singing in the building. Which is like, it was a school. So of course, you hear children. One of the reports is of he's jangling, which is super specific. Yeah. That's a really specific sound. I wish I had my key sitting next to me. So I can make it all the way over there. I was going to say, I don't even, I don't have mine near me either. But it is interesting because there is a mischievous spirit.

35:50 Some people like to call Timmy. Timmy steals people's keys. Okay. And he also messes with the elevator. No. So he steals people's keys. But and then people hear like, he's jangling around. Is that just Timmy? Like walking around with the stolen key? Okay. Listen to me. Some of us already have all 80 of the HDs. And we don't need your help losing our keys. Okay. And don't fuck around with elevators. That is not okay. Don't play the elevator game. What the fuck is an elevator game? You don't know about the elevator game. Do I want to know about the elevator game? We got to educate Caitlyn someday on the elevator game. What is that? Don't play it. Okay. Not good. Okay. I'll, I do actually know a way to relate it to you. It's um, um, Alisa Lam. That's what they, they were thinking she was playing the elevator game and got lost in like another dimension. It's like one of the theories.

36:54 So I don't know if you've like listened to a podcast episode on this. Yes. I, yeah. I'm super familiar with the Alisa Lam case. I feel like now that you mention it. I remember hearing that theory. I still don't understand. It's it, yeah, it's a game and you, it's a game that's dumb and there's no winning in it. So why would you play hit? You guys play stupid games, wins, stupid prizes. Yeah. Like the death prize. I'm glad I could, I could relate that to something that you would understand too. Okay. Cool. Yeah. Just tie it back to murder. I'm like, wait, true crime. She'll know. You're like, oh, you know this one, right? As a matter of fact, I do.

37:41 Okay. So this is something weird happening to me. So do you remember, you remember Timmy? Yeah. Timmy. Timmy. It's all my shit list if I'm being honest. Our buddy Timmy, who steals keys. Anyway. So this is kind of an aside from the episode. I'm sitting here typing about Timmy and I'm have Hot Ones on in the background, you know, for background noise. Of course. And Kid Cudi is on there and he literally just says Timmy. What? He says the word Timmy as I'm fucking typing about Timmy. And I was like, what the fuck? Why? What is happening? So he's talking about Timothée Chalamet, which actually I learned it's Timothée Chalamet. But anyway, he was talking about him and called him Timmy.

38:27 But I was like, what? How is he like things that are happening on the TV that I'm typing out? It's just the weirdest thing whenever that happens. This is a I'm on the right track, I think. Things are syncing up. But this is a really great example of why I oftentimes listen to classical or instrumental music when I'm writing. Yeah, I don't know why I can't do that. I can't listen to music while I'm writing. Like any kind of music. It has to be like background TV. Because usually I'm not, I can't like usually don't hear it. I don't pay attention to it. But for some reason, like the name Timmy, like, rang out in my ears and it was on like five volume. Like it wasn't on high. It was just the it was the weirdest thing. So I had to include it anyway. Enough about Timmy, Timothée, whatever you want to call it. I love Timothée Chalamet. Why don't why don't people say it correctly? I don't know.

39:29 Because of course, you know, I learned this because I had to Google how to spell Timothée Chalamet because I'm like, I’m Chalamet. How the fuck do you spell that? So I googled it and then I saw how his name it has like two E's on the end with like an accent. And I was like, yeah, it can't be how you pronounce that. Is it really pronounced Timothée? Yeah, it's like French. And then I watched a couple clips of him explaining, yeah, that's my name. But like, I'm not going to make you call me that because that's like, I'm not going to make you guys say Timothée all the time. So that's why people call him Timmy. Alrighty. A lot of backstory on the celebrity. You're welcome. This is TMZ.

40:13 [laughter] PNW TMZ. So I kind of thought that the EVP saying get out. Remember, they sounded like a young boy. I thought maybe that might be Timmy telling them to leave so that like he can get his shenanigan on without getting caught. Okay, yeah. I guess that makes sense. Get out of here. I need to steal some keys. Play with the elevator man. Do that. I'm too weird because the other shirt that I was thinking about wearing, do you want to be the she to my nanigans? Oh, yeah, I forgot. Yes. But we say shenanigan like every episode. It's true. It's true. People also say they smell something strange coming from the bathroom. Go go right. Well, I feel like I don't really need to do any debunking here. I feel like it's probably just poop. Yeah, I mean, when you say strange, do you mean that you just smells like bathroom smells or like bathroom duty? Like doody? I mean, if the do I want to know the specifics. I really wish I had the specifics for you. What the smell was because if it was like maybe sulfur, maybe that could be also poop, but that also could be demon.

41:32 Poop demons. Sorry, kind of demons sometimes. I often get the poop demons. Caitlyn wouldn't know anything about that. No, I'm very unfamiliar, but well, you're going to love this next person's name. I'll tell you that right now. Art Executive Director Sarah Justice was locking up one night and says a ghost hit her in the back and felt as though it actually passed through her. Okay, no, thank you. Justice for Sarah, which is what I always say when I get like a shiver, like a go-go. Yeah. I wonder if she got a shiver.

42:13 She immediately turned around and of course there was nothing there because it was a ghost. She said although that was pretty scary, the energy in the building is always very, very good and she feels like safe and happy there. Okay, and she also feels like the spirits really like the staff because they're taking care of their building. You know, I mean, that makes sense, I guess. Sarah Justice, she honestly sounds like she should be one of the Avengers. And if she says that the building has good vibes, like I probably like, okay. Yeah, okay. Sarah Justice says it's fine. It's fine. It's probably fine. Yeah. Exactly. I also was wondering like, why is she not like a lawyer? Because law school is expensive. And a lawyer is very different from an art executive director, I think. Very different things. Very, very different career paths.

43:10 I actually love you where you're at, Sarah. You're doing, you're doing a great job. The ghost love you, keep it up. Don't become a lawyer. Don't do that. Yeah. Unfortunately, this is the part I do have to tell you that there is another legend of a child passing away in the building when it was a school. All right. I know. Why is, stop with the, I don't like it. I would be super pissed to die at school. And like, and then stay there too. Yeah. This was apparently the janitor's daughter in the family lived in the attic in the 1930s. Stop it. She's already been through enough. I know. She had a live at school. Hopefully she got to actually attend the school. I didn't even think about that. I guess. Yeah. Like, I don't know how old she was if she was even like junior high age. I'm not sure. But people see her fair-haired apparition floating around the museum. Okay. So do you remember the additional building, the annex that I said we were going to come back to? Yes. I always love how I'm like, do you remember? Do you remember?

44:24 And I'm like, normally yes. And today it's kind of a coin toss. So you never know. So this is kind of crazy. They, they blew her up. I for a movie. Why? They blew it up for the movie Telefon, which is from 1977 starring Charles Bronson. Oh, I watched the trailer. It's kind of funny. Telefon? Telefon. Yeah. So I wanted you to look at the first link I sent you. If you keep scrolling down, you'll see pictures of them blowing it up. Shut up. That's why I didn't want you to scroll too far. Oh, wow. There's like three pictures of them blowing it up. It's crazy. They super blew it up. Wow. Next to the building. Like what? I mean, they do controlled burns, controlled demolitions. I think the smoke and stuff makes that look a lot worse. Like it looks like the buildings nearby are far more jeopardy than they probably are, but I don't know. It's crazy though. And I'm just like, who approached who? Like, how did this? Like, hey, we need to blow up this building. Like,

45:57 does anyone need it? Like for film? Or was it the other way? Like, I don't know. Like, hey, you're not using that. Can we blow it up? Yeah. I feel like in Hollywood, they have to have somebody that looks at public records and stuff and maybe they find. Like a scout. Yeah. Maybe they find different things like that. Like planned demolitions or. Yeah. That's true. Wow. That was so weird. I will link the trailer in the in the sources because it's kind of funny. It's, you know, old movie. Yeah. Very dramatic. It's got the the guy with the trailer voice, you know, like the, yeah, in a world. Exactly. Like an older version of that though.

46:46 I love it. To end our time here at the square, I'm going to leave y'all with a top-notch Google review from five years ago. Okay. Quote. One star is too much. The best part of the whole adventure is the cosmetic surgery of the outside of the building. Nothing inside. Remind you of a 100-year-old school. Which is basically compliment because at the time, she was only 123. I mean, she was 123 years old. So if you're saying she only looks 100. Yeah. Like thanks, girl. Thanks. Wow. Also.

47:30 You bitch. Like, 100-year-old school. Well, it is also like, yeah. I mean, kind of missing the point there, you know, where it actually is. Yeah. And they say nothing inside. It's a museum full of art. Now, not their cup of tea, I guess. I don't know where you were. Did you not go into any of the art rooms? Maybe you just wandered the halls. But I've seen videos and there's definitely art in the halls. So I don't know. I don't know where. What the just went in and looked at these teen stuff. And they were like, I'm out. Maybe, but I just had a thought. What if they went in to a time slip? Oh, but then it would have looked kind of like a new school. Well, 100 maybe they were talking about like, the vibe looked like it was 100 years old. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, they could have time slipped into like the window where the school. Oh, it was still there, but it was still a school. Like the transition between like school and museum where like there was just nothing weird. Yeah. Maybe solved it. Well, she liked to do some tarot. Let's do it. I think we should. I brought my cute ghosty tarot deck with me today. Sundered energy into the cars. Okay, and I've got the tarot book.

49:06 Okay, I'm going to be shuffling them for a second. I cleanse them already. All right, all right, all right. I think it's this one. It was like sticking up out of the car. I can't see what it is, but we're going to go back. Oh, stop. Okay, I can't see it because my frame is too small. I know you can't, but this is crazy. Shall I do me? Oh, what does that look like, dude? I was going to say, is it the tower? Yeah, that's crazy. It's not the tower, but it is fire. It does. It's the fire. It's the explosion. Explosing. Explosing. It is the ace of sticks also. I think we, which is interesting ones, right?

49:52 Sticks. Oh my god. I know. That's three people. Okay. I think, yeah, sticks is ones. Okay. And it was in reverse. Okay. We were just talking about the flames and it looks like smoke on the top. Like, oh, my god. Did you guys see the picture? It looks like a mushroom cloud. Yeah. Dude, I'm dead. That's crazy. That's crazy. Okay. Our keywords are opportunity, inspiration, adventure, creativity, and a new start. Art, creativity, and new start. Yeah. Like, when you blow up a building, then in the building was like, what was like for what read the keywords again? I'm so sorry. Opportunity. Opportunity. It reminded me of like the four girls who like wanted the opportunity. Yes. Yeah. Right back to the beginning. Wow. Wow.

50:54 Aces signify beginnings. Yeah. They also represent focused energy and clear singular intent. Focused energy on like focusing on blowing up one part of the building, but not the other. Maybe, in the writer, wait, Smith, tarot, and some other decks. The ace of ones shows a disembodied hand emerging from a cloud, grasping a stick from which new shoots grow. The message, here's an opportunity. Grab it. Some decks picture only a wand, often one that's large and elaborate like a ruler's sector or a witch's ceremonial tool. And there is an extra excerpt before actually there's two before our interpretation. Okay. The first one's really short because this just goes back to how the ace, it's the highest or lowest. In modern day games of chance, the ace often stands as the highest card.

52:05 In the tarot, however, it occupies the other end of the spectrum. Not the lowest, but the earliest step. Hmm. Interesting. Yeah. Because we talked about the earliest step of the building and then like where it is now. Yeah. Get a little bit more of my divination juice. You were always newer to the divine and the true sources of your power than you think. Clearly. The lure of the distant and the difficult is deceptive. The great opportunity is where you are. Oh, I like every place is under the stars.

52:52 Every place is the center of the world. Every place is the Pacific Northwest. Yeah. I love it. I love that your head goes there immediately. I don't know. Okay. The reverse interpretation for the ace of ones is delays and complications have stalled and endeavor and you feel frustrated or impatient. Oh, that's interesting because I didn't put this in, but they were having that issues in the attic, which I'm like, is that a show? Oh my god. Yeah. So they had a huge bat colony in the attic, but obviously it's not good for an older building to have like back wall know everywhere and they want to like use that space up there for storage and stuff and yeah. And they were working on, you know, trying to get a grant to help out with that.

53:48 And they were, I think they were having some trouble getting that they were trying to raise money. So that's interesting. Okay. Yeah. So that ties in not even a stretch. Yeah. I know. Yeah. Wow. As a result, you may question yourself and your ability. You might have to rethink your plans and make adjustments or perhaps sit back and wait for a better time. Like when a production company approaches you about using a controlled demolition or part of their move, you said. Yeah. I wonder if they were going to have to pay to like tear that down and then they got it done for free or yeah, maybe that's kind of what I was thinking. Oh, that's interesting. I bet you the Hollywood production company was like, oh yeah, we'll totally pay to blow that up. But like we're going to blow it up. You know what they need to do. They need another Hollywood movie to come film in the attic and then they can get rid of the bats. Yeah. Not blow it up. But you know, just clean it up. Yeah. Yeah. Just come through. Just burst it up. It's a big project because they have to let there's like places in the roof all over where they they can get in. So they have to like

55:19 blow it up inside and out all of those spots. Oh man. Yeah. That sounds like why did the project? It was like fixed to rubber. I think that was two years ago where I saw that. Okay. So I don't know if they've gotten that done yet or not. I'm not sure. So that seems recent enough. In a reading about money, this card suggests consolidating your finances and focusing on what's essential. Curb spending. Don't overextend yourself now. I mean, they run on like donations and stuff. So I don't think that they have that. Yeah. They have that. You're like, that's probably not going to happen.

56:01 Yeah. Okay. In a reading about work, it can mean an enthusiastic start, fizzled or met with obstacles. Obstacles probably. Yeah. You don't have to give up, but you may need to put in some extra effort or reassess the situation. This card may advise you to wait for a more auspicious time when the force is with you to begin a project or other venture. Oh, interesting. Oh, you're only. Oh, well, now I want to know how it's going over there in Montana. And oh, great falls. Great falls. Oh, I can't believe that. It's so wild. Well, okay. In a reading about love, the ACE reversed suggests an enjoyable relationship may be short-lived. Perhaps you approached an affair wearing rose-colored glasses and now see it's not what you really want. This card may also mean the initial passion in a romance is dwindling.

57:14 I hope that's not about the ghosts. Like, I hope that they're like thinking the ghosts like them and feeling like the positive energy. I hope that doesn't like dwindle. It worries me because of the thing that like pushed through her. Like, I don't know if that was. Yeah. She said it was scary, but it still felt like overall positive energy in the building, but I don't know. Like, could have been an accident, but it could have not been. Could have been a ghost like, "Ah, I didn't see you there. It didn't mean to walk through you, you know." I'm just, I'm realizing because obviously I told you that I have family that lives in Montana now. That's where my mom was born.

58:03 My grandparents lived in great falls. What? That's crazy. I had no idea. Yeah. And Jesus Christ, I feel like this, I'm giving people all of the things that they need to, all of the key word stuff that they need to be able to steal my identity right now. But my grandparents, my grandma's name was Audrey, but her nickname was one of them was Ace. Oh, what? That's so weird. I thought you were going to say Timmy for a second. I was like, "Oh, oh, oh, oh, my gosh, that's crazy. You guys get the eights." Oh, that's so sweet. Yeah, you're welcome. Thank you. I don't know why I picked. I know I was like right off the bat. I was like so random. So random. Yeah. Especially like the first thing I do in Montana, and I didn't, you know, I searched haunted things in Montana and found an article of a bunch of different ones. And I was like, "Oh, school, back to school. Like, let's do it." So it wasn't. Yeah. Interesting.

59:24 Yeah, that's just so funny because I guess immediately I was kind of thinking like, that is weird that I said boiler. And this is like all about like a boiler room. Yeah. Okay. Well, I don't, I'm not exactly sure if I know what I think it means, but I feel like it's all synchronistic. Yeah. I did have another thought about it being a school and stuff. I've heard a lot of ghost stories, obviously. And you? Yeah, I know me. One of the things about schools, why they think it holds on to like so much energy, why they're often pretty haunted is because it's like a transition period for kids. And there's a lot of, you know, emotions and energy. Yeah. In a school.

1:00:19 And it just kind of sticks there. And so I was thinking, well, this whole building was a school. And also it blew up too. So like, I don't know what energy from like the explosion, if that kind of energized anything that was going on there, I'm not sure how that works either. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, do we watch ghost busters and might just take their pointers? I wonder if now that's why they feel like the ghosts like, enjoy them, like them because the building has been abused in the past.

1:00:59 So maybe they weren't like super happy with that. I mean, I feel like that makes sense. Yeah. I also can't believe we got a fucking stick tree tree. And it has like arms that looks like. Oh, you're, I didn't even put this together. Okay, so you were doing your lights and you're like, is it orange enough? And I was like, well, make your chandelier like darker orange and you made it red. And you have orange and red because we're kind of going for fall vibes. But like, I didn't even put together like the explosion stuff when we were talking about the lights either. Well, and you'll remember, I think maybe because I I struggled to remember, I'm clearly not a plant, wait, the plant that I have in the pot lab that's at the top of the show. What is that? That's your grandma's plant. Yeah, but what kind of plant is it? Is it? Oh, what a kind of plant is it? Oh, I don't remember.

1:02:01 I thought you would remember what kind of plant it was. Oh, I don't know off the top of my head. But that's the same grandma, right? That you're talking about? Oh my gosh. She's just like always up in your grill. I feel like with these terms. I think a little bit. Yeah. Probably, you know, we've got the plant in here. So she's channeling something. Also, no shade, but she was clearly a witchy bitch. All of her and her mothers like favorite animals. I mean, just familiar city. Just witchy, just witchy out the wazoo. I'm like good. Hmm.

1:02:51 They're wanting maybe they're kind of like trying to channel that witchiness into you because they didn't get to express it. You know, I'm not even sure that they would have known that they wanted to. Yeah. But exactly. For most of my maternal grandmother's life, she had two black dogs. Like multiple different two black dogs. I love that. She loved frogs. Her mother loved owls. I mean, just listen, I think a lot of people would argue that owls and frogs not inherently loveable animals for a lot of people. Oh, I think they're adorable. I think they're adorable. Like for me, there's like an emotional like connection there that's I feel like separate from how I might listen owls. If you really want to talk about their eating habits and stuff, those are some creepy mother fuggers. I want owl pellets so bad. I also, before we end, did we still want to say a couple things about the fest? True crime fest. I wanted to show off my ghost face. Get it? I know that was so cute. Oh, you know what? Do you remember where I got this from?

1:04:22 I think it was the same stall where I bought a couple of things that I think the pod people are going to like. Was it the book lady? Yeah. I think so. I think so too. I got a book. I'm very excited. You have to say the name of the book for people who can't see the video. Oh, that's fair. Totally terrifying true crime trivia by Brian Boone. Love it. Never. We love the illiteration, Brian Boone. And then I also got a game. So this is criminal mastermind, true crime trivia. Oh, there's a lot of goodies in here and I'm still, still letting it season.

1:05:23 I'm holding it over. I'm thinking about how we want to use this. Maybe with the Patreon. Maybe with our socials. Maybe a little bit above. Yeah, we'll see. I feel like it would be really fun to do like a game night with the Patreon. Oh, yeah, that would be fun. Yeah. We started and I don't know if we've even released any of them are cold reads from that one creepy book. We didn't finish it. I don't know if we're going to go back to it. We did do a couple of them. I don't know. Like maybe that's something like if we did like a read along. Maybe that's what it should be.

1:06:06 Like instead of it being us recording it, like let's do like like a segment where we do like some true crimes and you know, maybe we can find something similar to this. It's like paranormal. But do like a true crime trivia. We could like, I don't know. I feel like there's other board games that fit in that we could play online and we do like a game night. I think it would be fun. And then I think we do like a read along. Like not popcorn read.

1:06:47 And I want to figure out one. We should do popcorn reading. We'll get on Zoom and just popcorn read to each other. No. No, but if we were kind of toying around with this book that we got and some different things that we could do to kind of like create some fun content for Patreon. And I think maybe if we did like a little read along like a live stream of us reading it, that might be fun. Maybe yeah, maybe we can release like the first chapter or two that we did actually do like hold reads on. And then we can get them kind of sucked in and like people will know what the book is like kind of about. It's a bunch of short stories. But maybe then people are like, oh these are kind of interesting and like I want to listen to these. And I don't know. That maybe do a little little live read with with our friends. I'm down for that. Whatever you all want. I'm just saying I'm just coming up with the idea. She's that ideal woman. Just like no, I'm like I'm a thousand percent.

1:08:03 Like execution is not it's like 80% idea and 20% execution. So thank Cassie for the other you know whatever gets executed. She did the other 80% of that because I'm like you're gonna be a lot of credit here. What if we just did she's like I don't know. I don't know. Figure it out. Yeah. And then sometimes we figure it out. Sometimes we don't and then you don't ever see it or hear about. Yeah. And then it's like okay bye. We gotta go. But I think that'd be super fun. I would love to hear from our Patreon and just from listeners a large if they would be interested in that.

1:08:54 So listeners at large. Large and in charge. She did. She did. For clock tower. Have the creepiest day. We'll see you next Tuesday. For God's sake. I hope I don't have COVID by that. No, you know. Do you hear that? Oh my god. Is that Timmy? Timmy. Timmy with this so long key. That was me you guys. Oh it's my beetle juice. I love it. I love it. It's I really like.

1:09:38 I thought twice. Okay so I go out there or I go you know too close the door and I look over because I'm like I'm going to close the door. So you don't have to be like as quiet. He's literally sitting on the couch which like is like right by the door. It backs up to the wall of the pot lab and he's sitting there eating. He's just got the whole like it's like one of those big boxes like movie candy size of nerds that I got. I instacarded last night because here's the thing. Dairy Queen betrayed me a long time ago and they stopped making nerd blizzards. So everyone's and well I will get a container of vanilla ice cream and I will get nerds and I mix those bad boys together and oh my nerds and ice cream. Yeah it's so good. It's like sweet but also like his nerds are kind of like they are you know fruity and tangy and sour kind of. I like them and like the nerd slushy that Sonic does. Oh I didn't know they made a nerd slushy but like dairy and nerds for some reason don't aren't. No it's amazing. It's amazing. It's my favorite. It's my favorite thing. Maybe I would try it one day with some dairy free vanilla ice cream but I don't know I wouldn't be like super stoked to try it.

1:11:13 You should be it's incredible. Okay. May. Am I? I don't know if I trust you anymore. I don't know if I trust your judge Wow. Wow. Judgy make a judge than over here. Okay well I'm gonna let you I'ma let you finish. Okay thank you. Oh speaking of Taylor's Swift. [LAUGHTER] pnwhauntsandhomicides.com