May 27, 2025

Freeway Killer(s) – Cold Cases Cracked by DNA

Freeway Killer(s) – Cold Cases Cracked by DNA
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After more than four decades of silence, Parabon Nanolabs and cutting-edge genetic genealogy are reigniting public interest in three men who were—separately and confusingly—all referred to as the ‘Freeway Killer’: Patrick Kearney, William Bonin, and Randy Kraft. Kraft, convicted of 16 murders in California, is suspected of killing dozens more young men across the West Coast—often targeting Marines, hitchhikers, and teenagers. Many of his victims, if his infamous “scorecard” is to be believed, likely remain unidentified to this day.

In this episode, we examine the recent identifications of Larry Eugene Parks and Michael Ray Schlict—both previously known only as John Does. Their cases, reopened thanks to advances in DNA technology and genetic genealogy, mirror the disturbing patterns seen in Randy Kraft’s known crimes: victims hogtied, drugged, mutilated, and left near highways like I-5. We explore the haunting evidence that investigators believe may link Kraft to these cold cases—including personal belongings, drug traces, and the cryptic list of coded names that earned him his nickname: the “Scorecard Killer.”

If you're drawn to forensic breakthroughs, unsolved murders, and the darkest corners of the 1970s and ’80s true crime landscape, this case will stay with you.

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Of course, we can't forget that keeping a scorecard of

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his victims is how Kraft got his Moniker. There were

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reportedly six Portland entries. One of them was Portland. Denver.

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Michael was born September eighth of nineteen sixty two, and

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you guessed it Denver. At the time of his death,

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he just graduated from Golden High School and planned to

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enroll in community college at Denver's Red Rocks campus, but

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he was on a brief detour hitchhiking to Alaska. WHOA, Hi, Cassie,

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Hi Caitlin, Hi creepy people, HELLOUO, Hi lady.

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Oh okay, don't start now, come on, you wanted to

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sit here again? We're likely excited to do the show again.

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Yeah, not even a full minute in and she's she's

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starting with us. This is PNW Hans and Hama asides,

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where we chat about true crime, the pair, and normal

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and all things spooky in the Pacific Northwest in the PNW.

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If you're nict if you're nice, if you're nasty. We

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also do a little tarot reading at the end of

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every episode for a little deeper insight into our topic.

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Yeah, thrown a few dog grumbles for good measure. All right, well,

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I don't think we have any business other than as

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you're listening to this episode, you've probably already listened to

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our first summertime feed drop. We're going to drop them

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in periodically, but obviously this week we're by.

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We're taking a break, we swear.

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Yeah, I mean we're really bad at it, but we're trying.

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Uh So, this is a fresh one. It's very fresh, fresh,

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fresh off the hot press, hot off the press, Yeah,

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fresh off the oven, fresh off of the oven, hot

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off the press. What is it freshly baked? I don't know,

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hot off the griddle. Yeah. Well, I'm going to open

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my booze because I know you're going to fuck up

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my life. Oh yeah, I've already opened fine. So also,

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sorry if my voice is like so sensual that you

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can't listen to this episode. I mean, good thing. I'm

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the one doing most of the talking this time. Huh yeah,

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it's a little deep. It's better than it was when

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I woke up. It was really scary when I woke

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up this morning.

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Yeah, it was like hello, because you sounded like, I

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don't know, like we were using the roadcaster to alter

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your voice.

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Yeah. Yeah, it was that scary? Yeah, So anyway, that's

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my drama, all right.

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Parrybond Nano Labs is back in the news, as is

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a previously unidentified murder victim, Larry Eugene Parks, along with

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his suspected killer, Randy Kraft aka the Scorecard Killer.

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Oh yes, I have not heard this one.

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Yeah, I have not, in truth covered Randy Craft. So

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we're kind of going to today a little bit. Okay,

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I mean, actually quite a bit. I shouldn't say a

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little bit. I've spent so much time reading about Randy Craft.

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I'm really sick of him actually, But here we go.

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The alias was so coined due to the coded list

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believed to represent the sixty some victims he is believed

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likely to have masked. Sixty Yes, Sam, that's quite a bit,

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arguably sixty plus too many.

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I would say.

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His victims, mostly young men, particularly Marines, were tortured, raped,

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and murdered before he dumped their bodies, typically on a roadside,

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near an off ramp or another public place.

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Shit, dude, Marines too, that's fucked. Yeah. Well, and we'll

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touch on a little bit.

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In some ways, they seem like almost unlikely victims because

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you think those are going to be people that can typically,

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you know, defend themselves, but they have to have the

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wherewithal to be able to do that.

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I was thinking, there's got to be something going on

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because like, those are tough, tough.

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People, so and I just think, you know, when you

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catch people and their guard is down, and you know,

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there are other factors at play in this case, but

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we'll get to that. At the time of his conviction,

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Kraft was believed to be the most prolific serial killer

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in the US.

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To that point. He's since been.

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Entirely eclipsed by absolute monsters like Gary Ridgeway. He's the

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Green River Killer. For anyone who's not keeping up.

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Thank you.

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Sometimes I don't know, yeah, well, and sometimes you hear

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the name and you know, but then you have to

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try to think of like the alias, and yeah, it

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can be a lot. And Samuel Little, who remained active

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for multiple decades.

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Have we talked about him? We have not.

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Okay, he actually has killed in so many states and

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the number of his victims is so incredibly massive.

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I mean, you could do a whole podcast series about him,

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for sure.

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For sure. The name sounded familiar, but yeah, yeah, you're like,

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but I don't want to look into that any further. No,

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thank you. Yeah.

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Larry Parks was finally identified nearly forty five years after

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his murder this April. That was like a month ago,

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last month. Yep, thanks to genetic genial Oh shit. Another

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victim believed to have perished at the hands of Craft

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was identified after even longer, just shy of five full decades. Wow,

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so this identification actually came before the one that we're

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talking about, kind of primarily today. Michael Ray Schlicht, an

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Iowa native, was finally positively identified, also using genetic genealogy,

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though it appears like authorities worked with a different forensic

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laboratory in that case, just seventeen years old at the

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time of his death. His body was discovered and estimated

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three to five days after his death, which was officially

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ruled accidental, likely owing to the alcohol and diazepam found

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in his system.

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H If Michael truly was a victim of Craft, he'd

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been killed years prior to Larry. But before Larry there

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was Michael. There were enough similarities in the cases of

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Larry Eugene Parks and Michael Sean o'fallen that authorities suspected

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the crimes were somehow related. During Craft's trial and sentencing,

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evidence from the murder investigations of both O'Fallon and Parks,

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then a Doe victim, was transferred to the Orange County

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District Attorney's office to be used in court. The evidence

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remained in Orange County until twenty twenty four. Craft was

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ultimately convicted of sixteen murders in California, but it's possible

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that he's guilty of dozens more that occurred near the

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West Coast, as well as additional states like Michigan and Iowa.

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Oh wow, that's like far Yeah, that was the dumbest

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thing I've ever said. That's like really far right, really far.

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But it is like when you're talking about murder, I

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feel like it is.

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Yeah. I feel like what you see more often than

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not is the past of you know, they're caught because

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they work within a set area, and that's how some

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of these guys are able to get away with so

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much for so long, because they don't always operate in

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the same area.

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Yeah, I don't like that. I prefer my murders to be.

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What's the worst, like regional local where you know what's

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going to happen, predict predictable for my murders, predictable, predictable, Yeah, unpredictable.

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It's fucking scary. No, it is, It absolutely is. It

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absolutely is.

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I think there's part of this then that you're going

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to really dislike. But the good news is it's it's

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all over. A lot of this was over before either

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of us was born. That has a lot to do

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with why I think it's so fascinating and it's so

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good to see because it's like, these are cases that

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there are people in their families that like they hadn't

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been born yet and their families still had no idea

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what had happened to them. So, I mean, it's just

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the gravity of that is it's really wild. In Craft's

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eventual trial, the evidence presented and the murder of seventeen

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year old Michael Sean O'Fallon was devastating to the defense.

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In July of nineteen eighty, Michael's brutalized body had been

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bound alongside an I five entrance ramp in Jefferson, Oregon,

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which is a place that really is best triangulated in

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relation to nearby Woodburn, an area.

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Just south of Salem. Thank you.

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Yeah, we're from Oregon. And I was like, Jefferson, is

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I think a place I know?

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Woodburn?

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I mean, especially back then, it might be. It might

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be a little bit more grown now. But to my knowledge,

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there's not a whole lot to see out there, but

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hopefully no. Its proximity to our states capital is helpful

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to anyone that's curious. Michael's own shoelaces had been used

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to hogtie him, and his body had been sexually mutilated,

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both of these details matching up to craft'smo as established

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by victims in the Orange County area. Drugs found in

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Michael's system were also a match to those later found

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in Craft's car. So that's the part that I said

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we would get back to, is he's.

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One of those that is.

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Craft was known definitely to pick up hitch hikers, and

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he was known for offering them drugs alcohol, so incapacitating them,

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sometimes without their knowledge because that beer may not just

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be a beer.

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Ough, Yeah, hitchhiking, Like I get it.

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It was the eighties, Like some of these occurred in

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the seventies, and so that I think in the broader

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public knowledge, hitchhiking still was far more acceptable at that point,

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and people thought it was safe to a degree.

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It s actually you need to ride somewhere and somewhere

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on their way, Like yeah, it makes sense, yeah, but

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people have to fuck it up for everyone else pretty much.

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Arguably the most important piece of evidence was a camera

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the victim had been carrying that was found in Craft's

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garage after his arrest on May fourteenth, nineteen eighty three.

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I had to think about it for a second, and

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then some of my source material went on to explain,

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but I was like, how cameras aren't necessary. There's got

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to be dozens, hundreds, thousands of people that own the

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same model, So like, how did they know?

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Yeah, I was going to ask if you knew, like

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what kind of camera it was. I really don't know

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what kind of camera.

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But even though people weren't taking a lot of selfies

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back in the eighties, the camera contained pictures taken in Canada,

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which o'fallen had just recently passed through. I thought, oh, well,

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maybe they found a bunch of pictures of him on it,

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so they knew it was his, which was kind of

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a dumb theory, I feel like now in hindsight, because

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people again not taking a lot of selfies. But you know,

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I'm looking at it through my lens.

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Okay, I mean, at least there weren't like a bunch

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of dick pics on it. Well, we don't really know.

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I could have been Canadian dicks. Michael's camera had his

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mother's initials MJO and a decal on it, which was

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identified in court by both his mother and brother. In fact,

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Michael's brother even presented his own matching decal to the

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courtroom for confirmation during his testimony.

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Wow, so they were pretty fucking sure. Yeah, It's like,

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how how did they know that that camera like needed

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to be marked? Like, I know, that's it. It's probably

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an expensive item that Yeah.

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Well, and they they just you know, typically once they're

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at the point of executing a search warrant and they

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had confirmed the identity of Michael O'Fallon, they have an

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awareness based on information given to them by the family

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about what did he have in his possession, So you know,

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something like that might be pretty easily, pretty readily identified.

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So like, thank goodness, they get that to the camera

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because that's undeniable proof. Oh it really is. Yeah. I

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was like, damn, okay, we all need to start marking

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our shit, you guys.

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Yeah, for real, of course we can't forget that. Keeping

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a scorecard of his victims is how Kraft got his moniker,

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which he still adamantly denies. There were reportedly six Portland entries.

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One of them was Portland Denver. Michael was born September

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eighth of nineteen sixty two, and you guessed it Denver.

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At the time of his death, he just graduated from

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Golden High School and planned to enroll in community college

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at Denver's Red Rocks campus, but he was on a

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brief detour hitchhiking to Alaska. WHOA, Yeah, So I don't

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know why exactly. It's honestly, it's unclear. I've not been

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able to track down any information from the family confirming

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exactly why adventure.

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Yeah, I don't know.

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I mean, maybe, you know, he had a camera, so

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maybe he just really wanted to go there to be

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able to, you know, take the summer and do like

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nature photography.

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Not sure.

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Wow, it's certainly a beautiful place to visit, but generally

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I just assumed that young men in this era in particular,

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would be going there to do the exact same thing

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that my dad and my uncles did back then.

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So I was like, Okay, he's obviously going up there.

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He's trying his hand and at making some money on

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a boat headed out on a commercial fishing expedition.

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Right.

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No, that is literally just an assumption that I made

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based on my own Uh.

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I mean, he seems pretty adventurous. Maybe that was like

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a thought someday he could do that.

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Yeah, I mean, who knows. I could have been both

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either or neither. But poor Larry, no one would know

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his identity for decades, not until this very year. He

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was a thirty year old Vietnam War veteran who had

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lost contact with his family at some point in the

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year prior to his murder. According to his family, his

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last known location was Pensacola, Florida. Michael O'Fallon, whose body

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was discovered near Exit two forty two to Talbot Road

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in Jefferson off I five within Marion County, would be

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followed just one day later by the discovery of another

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Larry Eugene Parks. On May fourteenth, nineteen eighty three, a

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call Ffornia Highway Patrol officer conducted a traffic stop, leading

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to the arrest of Randy Craft. At the time, there

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was another male occupant in Randy's vehicle. Uh oh uh

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oh is correct, a deceased victim later identified as Terry

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Lee Gambrel.

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He had a dead person in his car when he

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died over. Sure did those freaking traffic stops, man, they'll

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get you. Yeah, they really do every time. I can't

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believe he had a fucking body in his car.

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Oh yeah, he was arranged in the front seat with

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multiple empty long necks and an open bottle of larazapam

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at his feet.

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So just beer bottles rattling around, and it's like you're

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not even trying to like hide anything at all, not really.

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I mean, he just didn't think he was gonna get

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stopped by what's highway patrol?

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What's this marzipan stuff? Larazapam?

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Usually I think they used larazapam to treat like anxiety,

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so it's essentially like a sedative.

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Yeah, I feel like it was something that would like

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make you sleepy, but it wasn't exactly sure what it was.

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Yeah, when the rest of the vehicle was searched, police

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located what they described as a scorecard. It consisted of

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dozens of neatly printed monikers that have long been suspected

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to reference his victims. Obviously, like I said, he's denied

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this vehemently.

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Of course.

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They would also uncover over fifty photos that depicted young

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men in pornographic poses, most appearing to be asleep, perhaps

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incapacitated by intoxication, or worse yet, there are a number

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of them that they suspect the victims are actually dead

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in the photos. So my face is just doing the

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talking for me. Yep, that's about right. The heinous lore

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surrounding Randy Craft has led many to conjure ghoulish images

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of a bizarre boogeyman type character. This feels like a

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pretty good time to remind you, though, remind everyone that

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he really is just a sad excuse of a man.

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Though it's certainly fair to say that he's a particularly

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sadistic one. Take it from retired homicide detective of the

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Orange County Sheriff's Department, Dan Salsado, who interviewed him back

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in twenty twelve. He said, it's weird when you look

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at him. There's nothing memorable. Frankly, I love that assessment

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for Randy, who is frequently also described as one of

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the most heinous serial killers in US history, or the

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embodiment of evil who. Salsato had already met the killer,

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dating back to his time prior to retirement, when he

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worked as a jail deputy in Orange County. He'd read

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the male inbound to the inmate and thought, really, that's

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the scorecard killer. He's completely unamused, truly utterly nonplussed.

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I mean, the guy had to like freaking drug people

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to feel to murder them, so he's obviously not like

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that special. No, I mean it's not in terms of

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his stature.

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There's nothing that's like particularly intimidating about him, which actually

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I think is what gave him the advantage with a

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lot of these men.

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Unfortunately. Yeah, yeah, I could see that.

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Yeah, you don't feel threatened by somebody who doesn't feel

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like a physical match for you. I wonder what that's like.

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When the pair sat down in twenty twelve, Sosato was

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well aware that the man had remained on death row

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at San Quentin in relative silence, essentially running down the clock.

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Their conversation was roughly thirty minutes and ultimately provided no

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new leads or insight. Honestly, it's impressive that he even

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got him to talk for the thirty minutes. Wow, not

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a long conversation, but other attempts have been far less successful.

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Craft had grumbled about being railroaded before wishing cancer on

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the lead prosecutor and investigator in his case. Jesus, you're

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gonna love this, though in reply, Salsato offered an update

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simply that they were both doing very well and living

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fulfilled lives.

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Was good.

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It was like snap. Salsato is convinced. Quote, there are

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some Craft related killings that are not solved, though Craft

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has never admitted to any of the killings, including the

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body of the deceased marine found in his car at

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the time of his arrest.

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I'm holding that for a friend. M hm, what it's

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in your car? Yeah no.

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He's always claimed that that was like either some sort

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of an accident or yeah no, I mean he didn't

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have anything to do with it, of course, of course not.

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The nineteen seventies and eighties were a dangerous time, particularly

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for young hitchhikers, with multiple serial killers active throughout the country,

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but in southern California alone, Randy Craft, William Bonnan, and

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Patrick Kearney's horrific reigns overlapped for a brief period, and

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that's not a complete list.

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I don't want any overlap with any of that. Yeah,

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thank you.

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And the reason why I'm only really talking about these

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three when there are certainly other killers that were active

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in the area at that time, is because at different

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times all three were conflated and referred to as the

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Freeway Killer because of similarities in their m oh. Law

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enforcement thought at one point before any of these guys

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was actual caught, that they were all the same person,

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all the same perpetrator.

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Wow, that would be crazy.

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Yeah, authorities believed when they caught Kearney in nineteen seventy

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seven they had their man, and yet crimes against similar

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victims using the same mo continued. Kearney, who was said

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to have been bullied in childhood and later surprisingly honorably

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discharged from the US Air Force following his service, would

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also be referred to as the trash back Killer owing

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to his method of disposal of his victims. His case

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was said to have been the inspiration of a Criminal

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Minds episode, as well as even being cited as spurring

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changes to trash disposal practices. Oh, I think in a way,

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there's a potential for some good there, right, at least

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if it has to happen, at least something else possibly

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good comes out of it, right, I mean, let's not

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lose people in a horrific way and then do nothing

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to prevent, you know, the exact same thing from happening again.

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I'm curious what trash disposal practices they changed.

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Yeah, And I debated about kind of going into details

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on that. It was not as interesting as I had anticipated.

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So if you're curious, I definitely still linked to the

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information about it in my sources, but.

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I want to talk about trash damn it. That segment

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was cut for brevity.

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Once they captured Bonin in nineteen eighty, they believed that

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surely the freeway killer would no longer be a byline

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in the papers. And yet also those hopes proved unfounded.

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Though he'd spent much of the nineteen seventies in and

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out of prison for sexually based offenses against other men,

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he had been paroled in nineteen seventy eight, only to

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continue with his crimes in an increasely brutal fashion as

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that decade began to draw to a close. Horrifyingly, he

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did not act alone.

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Some of the.

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Most gruesome crimes, in fact, were committed with the help

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of multiple accomplices. One died by suicide while awaiting trial,

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and another was himself killed in prison while serving his time.

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Wow, seems interesting that they both died.

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Yeah, let me tell you, it couldn't have happened to

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a nicer couple of guys, right.

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Like, I'm not like upset about it. No, I know interesting.

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I do think that the one where he died by suicide,

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I have complicated feelings about that, just because he was

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never officially convicted, So I don't I mean, I have

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a hard time kind of grappling with that.

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But if he truly did kill himself though, so maybe yeah,

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I mean, who knows. I'm it's you no, no, no,

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no no no.

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Bonnin and his cronies proved to be capable of acting

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on the absolute worst of human impulses. Yet even his

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arrest did not entirely stem the tide of victims of

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a similar demographic and background being discovered along or nearby freeways. Then,

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in nineteen eighty three, there was the truly stunning arrest

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of Randy Kraft, and only then did this scenario seem

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to make more sense. Law enforcement was like, oh shit,

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this is like three whole ass serial killers, no wonder. Yeah,

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I mean, but you can't blame them because there really

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are some alarming similarities in terms of where and how

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they operated. And until they catch on that, like the

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crimes are continuing, of course, they are going to hope

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at least that you know, they've got the right person,

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and they did. They got multiple right someones they just

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weren't the only someone's did they all.

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Like know about each other is that it's all just

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like a coincidence that they were the same type of

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murder in the same place. Yeah.

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I don't think that any of them had an awareness

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of each other, certainly at the time of actively committing

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the crimes. But it's kind of in hindsight that you know,

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you realize they're all operating in the same area.

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Say they not run into each other? How did they

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not try to kill each other? Yeah?

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I mean, unfortunately, California being a rather large state and

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the I five interstate being you know, long and winding,

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there's plenty of places to go plenty of people to

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pick up. Those suspicions have swirled for decades. There's no

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definitive evidence that either of Bonnan's serial killing colleagues worked

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with accomplices. So Bonnan actually has verified, convicted accomplices associated

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with his crimes, whereas Kearney and notably Craft, who is

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kind of our primary talking point today, they don't have

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confirmed accomplices. There are suspicions, but Craft is kind of

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the main character, if you will, Just because the victims

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that are more recently identified, law enforcement does believe that

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he may be connected to those cases. There were, however,

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some compelling details that if spurred speculation in the decades

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since their arrest. For instance, starting off small, authorities believe

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that David Hill, a long term partner of Kearney, was

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perhaps aware of what his bow was up to, or

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possibly even involved in some of his crimes. It seems

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like I don't have a lot of information about why

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they believed that, if it was just because they're like,

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how could you not know or how could you not

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be involved? How could you have kept that under wraps unclear?

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There was DNA and other evidence to suggest that Craft

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may have worked with a partner or accomplice at some

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point during his horrific era of crime. During Craft's trial,

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members of the prosecution admitted privately that they did not

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charge him with several murders that they were certain he

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had committed because of facts relating to the cases which

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indicated more than one perpetrator.

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Oh so they like were pretty confident someone else is involved.

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Were they like saving it in case they caught that person.

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That's one thing that I think people have speculated about.

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I think in a case where you think there may

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have been multiple parties involved, it could be more difficult

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to actually secure the conviction when you only have one

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of the perpetrators. I think there's a number of reasons

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why that may have been their decision.

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Yeah, that makes sense.

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Jeff Graves, a former romantic interest of Craft, was a

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strong suspect, but authorities failed to make a case against

468
00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:14.759
him prior to his passing in nineteen eighty seven of aids.

469
00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:19.400
It was a prosecution's position that Graves may have assisted

470
00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:21.559
in several of Craft's murders.

471
00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:23.200
He lived with.

472
00:29:23.240 --> 00:29:28.400
Craft between nineteen seventy one and nineteen seventy six. Importantly,

473
00:29:28.720 --> 00:29:32.240
these were the handful of years when the sixteen confirmed

474
00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:37.519
murders occurred. Oh okay, so they're like, you lived with

475
00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:41.200
this man for five years, and that's when all sixteen

476
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:44.240
of the murders that he was actually convicted of, when

477
00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:45.079
those happened.

478
00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:51.039
Mmm, Luksausis Yeah, yeah, I mean I hate to say,

479
00:29:51.119 --> 00:29:54.160
like maybe he didn't know, maybe he was totally innocent, but.

480
00:29:54.680 --> 00:30:03.079
Well, totally possible hold that thought. Graves was specifically questioned

481
00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:06.680
in relation to the cropwell case dating back to nineteen

482
00:30:06.799 --> 00:30:10.599
seventy five, and even verified a portion of Craft's statement

483
00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:15.359
to police. Graves reportedly told investigators following Craft's arrest in

484
00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:19.279
nineteen eighty three, quote, I'm really not going to pay

485
00:30:19.319 --> 00:30:23.119
for it, you know, seemingly alluding to his at the

486
00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:29.400
time terminal diagnosis. Oh wow. He passed on July twenty seventh,

487
00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:35.279
nineteen eighty seven, effectively concluding further questioning that authorities had

488
00:30:35.319 --> 00:30:35.799
in store.

489
00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:39.599
You mean, they didn't ask like a medium to come in.

490
00:30:40.279 --> 00:30:43.960
Honestly, the other side, I feel like it's worth considering.

491
00:30:44.839 --> 00:30:47.680
I mean, it's funny that he maybe thinks he's not

492
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:50.359
paying for it, but I certainly hope that he is

493
00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:53.640
paying for it. Yeah, in his afterlife.

494
00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:58.319
Absolutely well, and here's the thing is, at that point

495
00:30:58.400 --> 00:31:04.519
in time, really was it really was a death sentence

496
00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:07.799
because there was no effective treatment. But there was a

497
00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:12.400
four year gap essentially between Randy's arrest and his passing.

498
00:31:13.079 --> 00:31:17.279
So it goes to show like how slowly sometimes. I mean,

499
00:31:17.319 --> 00:31:21.359
it's it's a slow burn in these cases. But you know,

500
00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:24.200
I mean, if you're trying to get the right guy

501
00:31:24.680 --> 00:31:26.920
and you are trying to back it up in evidence,

502
00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:28.559
I mean, it makes sense.

503
00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:32.400
These things take time. Can you imagine being innocent and

504
00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:36.799
having to wait that long? Yeah, I mean, and that's

505
00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:39.839
something to think about as well. I mean, you know,

506
00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:42.680
not that this person was, but I'm just like, we don't,

507
00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:46.319
you know, I don't know if we'll ever know. Yeah.

508
00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:49.880
So the former of Crafts suspected accomplices may not have

509
00:31:49.960 --> 00:31:55.599
outlived the speculation a petty criminal. Bob Jackson also underwent

510
00:31:55.920 --> 00:32:01.240
much speculation after he was interviewed by a journalist conducting

511
00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:03.759
research into Randy Craft's case.

512
00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:08.319
Oh shit, I watch out for them journalists. Them journalis

513
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:12.440
maybe asking all kinds of questions. Yeah. His recorded interviews

514
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:17.240
were provided to police, as they should be. Yeah. Yeah.

515
00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:20.720
As compelling as the accounts of murder said you have

516
00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:21.279
occurred in.

517
00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:22.880
Colorado and Wyoming.

518
00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:28.039
May have initially seemed they were kind of Ultimately they

519
00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:32.000
were reportedly not seriously pursued just due to a lack

520
00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:36.039
of evidence. Those detectives that interviewed Jackson were able to

521
00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:42.759
convince him to seek mental health treatment. So probably a

522
00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:45.000
good thing, a little bit of a bright spot in that.

523
00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:48.200
And they're like the fact that you want to be

524
00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:51.759
outed as the accomplice and you seemingly like knew this

525
00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:56.799
person and had details about possible murders, like huh, you

526
00:32:56.839 --> 00:33:01.519
should probably see someone about that friend, Yeah, yeah, yeah, hikes.

527
00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:06.720
Jackson also claimed that Kraft's scorecard included only his more

528
00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:12.519
memorable murders. In Jackson's opinion, Kraft's total body counts stood

529
00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:14.039
closer to one hundred.

530
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:21.119
Oh. I know, it's giving a lot of ick and

531
00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:23.440
like the fact that you don't even record some of

532
00:33:23.480 --> 00:33:26.799
them because they're like, eh, wasn't memorable, right, It's a

533
00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:28.799
fucking human life night.

534
00:33:28.880 --> 00:33:31.480
Well, if that's the angle that you want to take,

535
00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:34.000
I just feel like that's fallen on deaf ears.

536
00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:36.599
No, it's just gross. It is.

537
00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:42.440
After decades of silence, the truths buried by monstrous serial

538
00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:47.319
killers like Randy Craft, Patrick Kearney, and William Bonnen, along

539
00:33:47.359 --> 00:33:52.880
with their confirmed or suspected accomplices, are finally beginning to surface,

540
00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:58.640
one name at a time. The identifications of Larry Eugene

541
00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:03.200
Parks and Michael Ray are more than breakthroughs in forensic science.

542
00:34:04.119 --> 00:34:08.920
They are hard won moments of justice and remembrance. The

543
00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:12.920
identification alone should give us hope, even if law enforcement

544
00:34:13.000 --> 00:34:16.599
has yet to tie the victims to their killer. As

545
00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:20.840
new technology continues to breathe life into cold cases, it

546
00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:25.920
also reaffirms just how many questions remain unanswered, So.

547
00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:27.119
Many fucking questions.

548
00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:33.239
I truthfully, though, really Craft sits on death Row, never

549
00:34:33.280 --> 00:34:38.719
having confessed his so called scorecard, still haunting investigators with

550
00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:42.880
its cryptic entries and the chilling possibility of many more

551
00:34:43.079 --> 00:34:48.239
unnamed victims. But with every advancement in genetic genealogy and

552
00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:53.039
continued investigative persistence, the hope remains that those who were

553
00:34:53.079 --> 00:34:58.880
once unknown might still realize an opportunity for justice, and

554
00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:02.119
that those who left a trail of terror in their

555
00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:04.679
wake might yet see retribution.

556
00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:12.599
Fucking science, man, fucking science really cool. I think it

557
00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:15.840
really is. Yeah, it really is I can't wait for

558
00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:19.039
like even the future, future future where it's like not

559
00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:21.480
even a question where they can just solve something from

560
00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:25.320
like the eighteen hundreds. Yeah, I agree.

561
00:35:26.239 --> 00:35:30.360
Just a note about the Oregon State Police Cold Case Unit.

562
00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:34.920
The unit has made tangible progress on cases as old

563
00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:36.760
as fifty years.

564
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:39.639
That's so cool. It's incredible.

565
00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:45.079
And as of the time of publication, so I think

566
00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:48.320
this is this article is probably dating back to April,

567
00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:52.400
it might be May of this year, twenty twenty five,

568
00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:56.960
they are actively investigating thirty seven cold cases.

569
00:35:57.440 --> 00:35:59.760
Wow, which actually seems low.

570
00:35:59.800 --> 00:36:01.599
But I'm going to give it to them that It's like,

571
00:36:01.840 --> 00:36:06.159
the cold cases are intense. There's a lot that can

572
00:36:06.199 --> 00:36:08.440
have to go into that unless they get lucky with

573
00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:10.039
like a DNA match.

574
00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:11.800
I was gonna say, I feel like that sounds like

575
00:36:11.800 --> 00:36:14.199
a good amount of Yeah, because it's a cold case.

576
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:17.159
It's like there's not obviously it's cold for a reason,

577
00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:17.599
like it's not.

578
00:36:18.280 --> 00:36:21.119
I do, yeah, I do think that there's just so

579
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:24.519
much work that sometimes has to go into that because

580
00:36:24.559 --> 00:36:27.760
I mean, they there's a reason why they haven't been solved, right,

581
00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:30.199
So it's like it takes that much more manpower to

582
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:31.519
finally break through.

583
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:34.360
Hey, we've offered our manpower before you. I'll take us

584
00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:42.880
podcasters up on helping, right. They're like, no, thing's not interested. Yeah.

585
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:47.559
I do have some other Patreon exclusive content related to

586
00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:51.079
this case because I could not help myself, and I

587
00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:55.559
do think I have some stuff that I want to

588
00:36:55.599 --> 00:36:59.639
share that's actually direct from one of the victim's family members.

589
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:02.719
It's not something they didn't reach out to us specifically,

590
00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:06.400
but it's information and statements that they've given to other

591
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:11.239
outlets that I felt like it was a really interesting reflection.

592
00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:14.599
It's sort of an opinion piece that came out several

593
00:37:14.679 --> 00:37:17.119
years ago. I want to share that in some other

594
00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:18.840
titty biddy's.

595
00:37:18.440 --> 00:37:22.719
Trash information trash, No, the trash. I was like, how.

596
00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:27.519
Dare you critique my Patreon bonus. It's a human literal trash. Okay,

597
00:37:27.559 --> 00:37:29.679
I literally want to know the trash. I know she

598
00:37:29.719 --> 00:37:31.760
wants to know more about the trash. Well, maybe at

599
00:37:31.760 --> 00:37:35.559
the end of our little Patreon bonus, we can pull

600
00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:37.559
up that trash article and I can read that to

601
00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:37.880
you too.

602
00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:42.320
Okay, Okay, well should we do some taro about it.

603
00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:53.679
Let's do it thinking about mister Crap's victims craps with

604
00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:53.960
a K.

605
00:37:55.960 --> 00:37:59.239
When I started researching this, it was all because of

606
00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:03.679
and then I started looking and I was like, holy shit,

607
00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:08.159
there are two other victims that like decades old, have

608
00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:11.079
in the last couple of years been identified.

609
00:38:11.239 --> 00:38:15.000
That's so cool. It's really cool. And you know, not

610
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:16.440
all of them have been.

611
00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:20.920
Definitively tied to Craft or to any other killer, but

612
00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:25.159
just the fact that now they're finally identified. Yeah, And

613
00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:27.719
you know, I mentioned that it's like there are people

614
00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:32.840
that you may have been born and never met this

615
00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:36.639
relative of theirs. And there was kind of a short

616
00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:40.199
excerpt in one of my articles that I used as

617
00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:43.800
source material that talked about they reached out to a

618
00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:47.800
family member and they couldn't figure out, well who might

619
00:38:47.840 --> 00:38:52.320
be missing, and so then it was the grandparents. They

620
00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:55.800
reached out to other family members, and turns out they

621
00:38:55.880 --> 00:38:59.400
didn't really have an awareness around somebody who had been

622
00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:02.599
out of contact with everybody else in the family for years.

623
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:03.480
Like how would you know?

624
00:39:04.119 --> 00:39:07.719
Yeah, because you're thinking, like, especially as grandparents, you're like

625
00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:10.800
everybody's busy, you know, we don't hear from this person,

626
00:39:10.920 --> 00:39:14.639
but like we also haven't been alerted to any sort

627
00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:17.960
of a problem or you know, how would you know.

628
00:39:18.920 --> 00:39:21.719
I mean, you'd like to think that families stay closer

629
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:26.440
than that, but sometimes distance and you know, lives are busy.

630
00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:30.000
Sometimes you just don't fucking like your family. Also, okay,

631
00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:32.920
you don't have to like your family. You know, it's not.

632
00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:35.159
And I just say that from the perspective of like

633
00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:38.679
you'd like to think that someone would notice, you know

634
00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:40.519
what I mean, but like if you're not in touch,

635
00:39:40.599 --> 00:39:43.679
of course, it's you know, to a degree, some of

636
00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:44.119
this stuff.

637
00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:47.000
It's not to like blame anybody, you know.

638
00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:50.519
It's it's just it's heartbreaking to see where somebody kind

639
00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:52.440
of falls through the cracks.

640
00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:57.000
Yeah. I had a thought when you were talking about

641
00:39:57.159 --> 00:40:00.000
people dying before, like maybe other family members were even

642
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:02.400
bored and like not even knowing what happened. And I

643
00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:05.480
just watched a movie on Netflix about that. Really yeah.

644
00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:06.719
I can't think of what it's called, but it was

645
00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:08.559
really good and I have to look it up. Okay.

646
00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:12.400
Time cut. Oh, there's like a time travel thing and

647
00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:15.239
it's on the preview. I'm not really like ruining anything, okay, okay,

648
00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:17.199
but she like goes back in time to where her

649
00:40:17.239 --> 00:40:21.079
sister Pat was like murdered and it's two thousand and seven. Oh,

650
00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:25.880
it's like, oh fucking vibe like wow, yeah, you'll love it,

651
00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:26.920
You'll love it. Wow.

652
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:30.159
Okay, okay, I guess we know what I'm doing later today.

653
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:32.840
Yep, watch it if you were a two thousand and

654
00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:34.320
seven girly, like, uh.

655
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:37.679
Yeah, it's so weird how I can be a two

656
00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:41.119
thousand and seven girly and then also still be remarkably

657
00:40:41.360 --> 00:40:43.880
like twenty what do we decide twenty eight?

658
00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:47.559
Right? Yes? Yeah, I mean I'm I could stall say

659
00:40:47.559 --> 00:40:51.880
I'm forty already, let's go, let's get there. No.

660
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:54.480
Actually, it's better to be honest about your age because

661
00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:57.199
if you lie and people are like, oh god, you're

662
00:40:57.239 --> 00:40:58.599
twenty eight, I don't think though.

663
00:40:58.639 --> 00:41:00.519
Wait that's why I'm like, I'll say forty so everyone

664
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:05.199
be like, holy shit, you look amazing. You're forty.

665
00:41:04.639 --> 00:41:08.320
You're like aging backwards Benjamin Button.

666
00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:14.639
Okay, where do we feel the vibe in the car?

667
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:17.920
Like in this direction? Like I just guide your fingers

668
00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:18.559
with my mind?

669
00:41:18.719 --> 00:41:21.320
Yeah, like are we is this too far over? I'm

670
00:41:21.320 --> 00:41:23.239
feeling like kind of somewhere in here.

671
00:41:23.360 --> 00:41:27.000
No, I feel like that area. Yeah okay, oh boy,

672
00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:29.679
I like that one for us. Okay, I can let

673
00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:32.400
you vana. Was it upside down? It was, Oh, we've

674
00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:35.840
gotten this one before too, Ton of Swords in reverse

675
00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:39.599
it was yeah, bones, This obviously always reminds me of

676
00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:43.000
like a cold case because it's just like just the bones. Yeah.

677
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:45.639
Yeah, I was gonna say, I feel like Swords is

678
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:53.920
always kind of a vibe with with my cases in particular. Okay,

679
00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:57.159
so I still have a page to turn here to

680
00:41:57.239 --> 00:41:59.599
get to the Ten of Swords. At the bottom of

681
00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:03.639
the Night of Swords, there's an extra excerpt and holy shit,

682
00:42:03.880 --> 00:42:08.440
ooh it's a quote there are very few monsters who

683
00:42:08.519 --> 00:42:11.320
warrant the fear we have of them.

684
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:13.639
Wow. That literally we talked about that.

685
00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:17.599
Yeah, although I will say like all three of these

686
00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:21.679
serial killers are in a way it's like, yeah, I

687
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:26.880
mean be fearful of them because wow, horrific. But also again,

688
00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:30.519
they are just dudes, and not even like they're they're

689
00:42:30.519 --> 00:42:31.719
really awful dudes.

690
00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:34.679
Piece just a shock, just pieces. Shit. This also could

691
00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:37.119
look like maybe the side of like a California highway

692
00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:39.679
or it does. It looks like the desert a little bit.

693
00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:44.920
Yeah, Okay, so are keywords for the Ten of Swords

694
00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:52.719
are exhaustion, giving up, betrayal, pain and sadness reversed. The

695
00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:56.119
ton of swords suggests you're unwilling to take the steps

696
00:42:56.480 --> 00:42:59.519
that will move you to a better place. Perhaps you're

697
00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:03.599
deceiving yourself or you're stalling due to fear. But delaying

698
00:43:03.679 --> 00:43:07.800
only makes things worse. Stop making excuses and choose the

699
00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:11.519
course of action. Okay, can I just say right off

700
00:43:11.559 --> 00:43:14.280
the top, And I don't know, maybe as we read

701
00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:17.280
on this will not fit as well as I'm thinking.

702
00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:22.559
But this really makes me think of Randy Kraft and

703
00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:25.800
he has just maintained silence. It's just deny, deny, deny.

704
00:43:26.119 --> 00:43:30.400
He's admitted to nothing. He takes zero responsibility for anything.

705
00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:34.719
And it just feels like stop making excuses, like you're

706
00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:40.199
It's like he's like delaying the inevitable in the sense

707
00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:43.360
that it's like listen, dude, they're gonna find out if

708
00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:46.400
there are more I mean, he's on death row, so

709
00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:48.880
there's not a whole lot more we can do to him.

710
00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:49.760
But at this.

711
00:43:49.760 --> 00:43:54.360
Point with him well right, and you know, fortunately or unfortunately,

712
00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:57.920
depending on how you feel about the death penalty, he's unlikely,

713
00:43:58.440 --> 00:44:02.039
very unlikely to act be put to death. He will

714
00:44:02.079 --> 00:44:06.159
probably spend the rest of his natural life awaiting death,

715
00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:10.480
which I actually feel like in some cases is truthfully

716
00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:12.719
the most appropriate punishment.

717
00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:15.800
If you confess and you're already on death row, if

718
00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:18.519
you finally confess to it, would they kill you or

719
00:44:18.519 --> 00:44:19.119
would they.

720
00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:22.280
Just it's not going to it's not going to expedite,

721
00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:25.800
you know, for him in execution or anything, because it

722
00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:28.519
doesn't have to do with the severity of his crimes.

723
00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:32.559
On the West Coast, California is one of many states

724
00:44:32.599 --> 00:44:40.360
that has not for decades really executed people. Right, they're

725
00:44:40.519 --> 00:44:42.960
essentially kind of in a whole day, they're in purgatory.

726
00:44:43.400 --> 00:44:46.360
Oh man, Oh that's fucking worse. Dude, though.

727
00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:52.840
I think between California, Oregon, and Washington, I think Washington

728
00:44:53.039 --> 00:44:56.559
is the state that has most recently executed someone, and

729
00:44:56.599 --> 00:45:02.239
it's almost fifteen years ago, seems Yeah, that's my record,

730
00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:04.719
just going straight off the top of my head.

731
00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:10.280
Washington, you're off the rails. Yeah, they're the wild card.

732
00:45:10.280 --> 00:45:14.760
Apparently they put the W and P and W Washington

733
00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:15.760
wild card.

734
00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:19.239
Oh I love that for us. So did you have

735
00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:21.440
something else or should I do the bullet points?

736
00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:24.159
Oh? I don't think so. I mentioned the word like delay,

737
00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:27.039
and I was like, oh, like it to fifty years too, right.

738
00:45:27.840 --> 00:45:30.199
I know that that's immediately what I was kind of

739
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:33.920
thinking of in a reading about money. The reverse ten

740
00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:37.920
can represent a time of recovery after hardship or loss.

741
00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:42.079
A new cycle is beginning, and better times may wait

742
00:45:42.159 --> 00:45:45.159
around the corner, but you must take the first step.

743
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:48.079
I think they've taken it. I feel like that that

744
00:45:48.280 --> 00:45:50.719
just reminds me of like they're going to find more

745
00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:53.800
people with the DNA evidence. Yeah.

746
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:57.599
No, And all of this technology is becoming you know,

747
00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:02.679
more mainstream, and as it's utilized more readily, it will

748
00:46:02.719 --> 00:46:08.039
become less hopefully expensive, because I think that is a factor.

749
00:46:08.559 --> 00:46:12.119
You know, they want to solve cold cases, but you know,

750
00:46:12.159 --> 00:46:16.039
when it's possible that you know the killer or the

751
00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:20.079
victim's family members, it's very possible that with some cases,

752
00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:24.079
if you're going that far back, everybody that was involved

753
00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:28.639
truthfully you know directly, they may no longer be with us. Yeah,

754
00:46:28.679 --> 00:46:32.800
and sometimes you have to weigh the public good with

755
00:46:33.440 --> 00:46:36.480
you know, the funds that you're utilizing, which I mean,

756
00:46:36.519 --> 00:46:37.639
it's a sad reality.

757
00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:41.440
Yeah, but there's a lot of murders and yeah, might

758
00:46:41.480 --> 00:46:43.519
want to solve the more recent ones first, or people

759
00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:45.199
who are still struggling.

760
00:46:44.760 --> 00:46:47.840
Or people that could directly be in danger because this

761
00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:52.079
killer is like very much still active potentially. I mean,

762
00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:55.239
that's a real it's a shit decision to have to

763
00:46:55.239 --> 00:46:55.880
to have to make.

764
00:46:56.000 --> 00:46:57.559
Really, thank god we don't have to make it.

765
00:46:57.599 --> 00:47:00.519
I know I wouldn't. I mean, I just be like,

766
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:03.400
we're over budget again. I'm not explaining it, Get the

767
00:47:03.400 --> 00:47:07.000
fuck over it. If the reading is about your job,

768
00:47:07.239 --> 00:47:11.119
you still feel insecure about your future, but in order

769
00:47:11.199 --> 00:47:14.159
to get to a more satisfactory place, you'll have to

770
00:47:14.199 --> 00:47:17.280
take a risk. Stop letting the past prevent you from

771
00:47:17.320 --> 00:47:22.239
embracing new possibilities. I don't know why, but I feel

772
00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:28.719
like this ties back to me for the now retired detective.

773
00:47:29.480 --> 00:47:32.400
He was retired at the point that he went and

774
00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:35.840
interviewed Craft in twenty twelve, and I think he knew

775
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:38.400
it was kind of a shot in the dark type

776
00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:41.280
of a you know, I'm just gonna shoot my shot. Yeah,

777
00:47:41.360 --> 00:47:43.840
so I can't help, But wonder if you know, there's

778
00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:46.239
a little bit of like, you know, I'm just gonna

779
00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:48.519
take the chance, and like maybe nothing comes from it,

780
00:47:48.599 --> 00:47:50.920
but nothing happens when you don't try.

781
00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:53.639
Yeah, you never know, Like it takes like one person,

782
00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:57.400
one different personality to bring something out. Yeah, that's really true.

783
00:47:57.440 --> 00:47:59.119
And he did talk to him more than the like

784
00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:00.320
other people, right with that.

785
00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:04.000
Yeah yeah, and actually in the Patreon bonus you'll see

786
00:48:04.039 --> 00:48:08.039
like the dramatic difference. I think the passage of time

787
00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:12.400
also plays a really big role. In the time more

788
00:48:12.519 --> 00:48:18.400
closely associated with his arrest and incarceration, his responses may

789
00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:23.239
have been entirely different to more recently ultimately still the

790
00:48:23.320 --> 00:48:27.800
same in that like he's copping to absolutely nothing, but

791
00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:32.920
he's perhaps a little bit more perceptive to conversations.

792
00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:36.239
So probably misses the attention. Yes, I have to assume.

793
00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:40.000
I have to assume in a reading about love, you

794
00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:44.000
may still be smarting from a deception, disappointment, or betrayal,

795
00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:47.360
but at least you can see more clearly now if

796
00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:50.840
a relationship has ended, you may experience a new sense

797
00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:51.400
of freedom.

798
00:48:51.840 --> 00:48:54.239
Fuck yeah, okay, this is kind of dark.

799
00:48:54.519 --> 00:49:02.840
But for Craft, the one suspected possible leged accomplice that

800
00:49:03.039 --> 00:49:05.639
was his ex lover that has since passed.

801
00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:07.239
Think about that.

802
00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:12.880
If a relationship ends because that person's life ends, you're like, oh, Okay,

803
00:49:12.920 --> 00:49:14.920
he's never going to give up any of my secrets

804
00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:18.639
now he can't, damn. I mean he went a good

805
00:49:18.679 --> 00:49:22.840
long stretch after the arrest without really spelling the beans.

806
00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:25.039
But I mean no, I wonder like why they broke

807
00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:29.039
up too, Like what what betrayals and secrets did they

808
00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:34.079
have together in their relationship that just couldn't hold it together? Yeah?

809
00:49:34.119 --> 00:49:36.400
Well, I have to wonder if the only thing that

810
00:49:36.440 --> 00:49:39.480
really separated them was the fact that he was arrested.

811
00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:43.519
It doesn't seem like it, because it seems like they

812
00:49:43.559 --> 00:49:47.519
lived together for the handful of years when he was active, right,

813
00:49:47.719 --> 00:49:49.320
But I don't know.

814
00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:50.199
Yeah, it does.

815
00:49:50.320 --> 00:49:54.079
It begs the question, like what happened there? I'd like

816
00:49:54.119 --> 00:49:58.119
to know more about that. The hot goss, Yeah, people

817
00:49:58.159 --> 00:50:00.800
still say that the super gross.

818
00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:05.559
Yeah, like hot garbage goss. Yeah. Oh my gosh, hot

819
00:50:05.599 --> 00:50:08.480
garbage goss. I love it. I want that on a

820
00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:09.039
T shirt.

821
00:50:09.159 --> 00:50:12.440
I think that's what we name the Patreon bonusge hot

822
00:50:12.440 --> 00:50:13.480
garbage goss.

823
00:50:14.360 --> 00:50:16.639
I don't know if you have this keyword in yours,

824
00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:19.400
but in the Little P ANDW deck book, one of

825
00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:20.559
them is bitterness.

826
00:50:21.320 --> 00:50:25.880
Oh, it didn't specifically mention bitterness.

827
00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:27.960
I don't think, but let me go back. I'm gonna

828
00:50:28.039 --> 00:50:29.800
it makes me kind of think of him, like still

829
00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:33.960
refusing to talk about it is bitter that she doesn't

830
00:50:34.119 --> 00:50:36.039
get to keep score anymore. I don't know.

831
00:50:36.239 --> 00:50:39.639
Yeah, No, it doesn't specifically mention bitterness, but I feel

832
00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:41.119
like there's an undercurrent of that.

833
00:50:41.519 --> 00:50:44.000
It's like part of the vibe. Or it could even

834
00:50:44.079 --> 00:50:48.719
be like the families of the unsolved. Oh boy, like

835
00:50:49.519 --> 00:50:50.199
the bitterness.

836
00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:54.199
Yeah, I feel like, and not that you can blame

837
00:50:54.320 --> 00:50:57.760
anyone in this case, but the bitterness will get to

838
00:50:57.800 --> 00:50:59.280
that in the Patreon bonus.

839
00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:03.559
So it's picking up something here, Yeah, it's catching Okay.

840
00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:07.880
It says someone has to lose. Why not? You? Life

841
00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:12.400
has to end eventually? Why not? Now? Every cycle has

842
00:51:12.440 --> 00:51:16.480
an upturn and a downturn. Defeat is natural. There is

843
00:51:16.519 --> 00:51:20.320
no shame in giving into it. There's dignity and its acceptance.

844
00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:23.639
At least, it's easy to say that when every step

845
00:51:23.719 --> 00:51:27.679
is agony, When the sun, having already stolen every ounce

846
00:51:27.719 --> 00:51:32.800
of moisture, continues to take more in California. Yeah, when

847
00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:36.920
failure is not merely an option but an inevitability, So

848
00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:41.519
you collapse and given wilfully or still fighting it doesn't matter.

849
00:51:41.840 --> 00:51:44.679
If you're lucky, you'll still be part of the cycle

850
00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:49.039
when it turns upward again. But definitely just yeah, cold cases,

851
00:51:49.199 --> 00:51:52.679
when you collapse and given willfully or still fighting, it

852
00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:55.199
doesn't matter if you're lucky, You'll still be part of

853
00:51:55.239 --> 00:51:58.760
the cycle when it turns upward again. Yeah, in fifty years.

854
00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:01.039
It is really just yeah, I mean that.

855
00:52:01.000 --> 00:52:04.079
Really is like it's like the cycle, right, It's like,

856
00:52:04.760 --> 00:52:06.440
I don't know, coma gonna get you?

857
00:52:06.760 --> 00:52:09.639
Yeah, yeah, even if you're dead and you think you

858
00:52:09.639 --> 00:52:10.480
don't have to pay.

859
00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:13.519
For it, oh my gosh, or if you think you're

860
00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:16.440
well if I was gonna say, even if you think

861
00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:19.679
you're dead but you are dead, but you're Yeah, even

862
00:52:19.719 --> 00:52:23.599
if you know it's a victim, that's that's past, and

863
00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:27.639
you know you think maybe it's like is this person

864
00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:30.119
ever going to see justice?

865
00:52:30.280 --> 00:52:32.960
Yeah? Hopefully hopefully.

866
00:52:33.159 --> 00:52:38.119
Yeah. I mean I really, I really get excited about

867
00:52:38.199 --> 00:52:43.000
these cases. And this is like so fresh. I didn't

868
00:52:43.039 --> 00:52:47.000
stumble on it like right away in April, so I

869
00:52:47.159 --> 00:52:50.320
was it was like a mad dash to really like

870
00:52:51.039 --> 00:52:54.320
do the research. And thankfully I think maybe I caught

871
00:52:54.360 --> 00:52:57.880
it at kind of the right time where enough different

872
00:52:57.920 --> 00:53:04.199
sources had kind of come through with Oh, you know,

873
00:53:04.599 --> 00:53:08.840
it wasn't just the one unidentified. It's like I was

874
00:53:08.880 --> 00:53:11.719
able to really like pool all of the resources talking

875
00:53:11.760 --> 00:53:16.000
about recent developments, and then the fact that there are

876
00:53:16.119 --> 00:53:20.719
the parallels in some of these cases and multiple of them.

877
00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:27.360
There's some synchronicities there that are just really strange. Yeah,

878
00:53:27.440 --> 00:53:29.280
should we should we go do.

879
00:53:29.239 --> 00:53:32.280
Some fun stuff? We might do? You know, we might

880
00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:36.719
do some fun tarot for some fun. Yeah, Okay, I guess,

881
00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:38.519
because you know, I don't. I don't know if you

882
00:53:38.559 --> 00:53:40.360
guys know, but we sort of sim I missed our

883
00:53:40.400 --> 00:53:45.000
anniversary actually technically, Oh, it's like it's the twenty fifth.

884
00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:47.719
It was the twenty second. Yeah, I thought it was

885
00:53:47.719 --> 00:53:52.559
the twenty third. Twenty second. Oh okay, either way, have

886
00:53:52.719 --> 00:53:57.239
a creepy day, See Mike. See you next Tuesday. Yeah,

887
00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:00.559
someone will be there to greet you in our feed.

888
00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:03.480
Someone will always be there, don't you guys worry? Yeah,

889
00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:11.400
solve all the cold cases, do it. I'd like to

890
00:54:11.440 --> 00:54:14.599
think I would never fall through cracks, but it's possible.

891
00:54:16.079 --> 00:54:20.440
Are you thinking? Because your butt because it's so small,