Espooky Tales: The Case of Miriam Rodriguez

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Hi everyone, this is Cristina and Carmen and this is another episode of

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“Espooky Tales" the podcast for all things "Espooky" but also sometimes very sad, tragic,

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infuriating, two crime stories and that's what we're doing today, Carmen. Great.

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Yeah, man, we are gonna have a lesson or story but it's gonna be at the end of the episode

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before split your recommendations answer the case. We're just gonna dive into this week's case.

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I don't know if you've heard about and I didn't know her name for the longest time,

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I just heard about the case but although like headlines or articles that announce or talked about it,

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all said the same thing. It was like, "Woman takes down cartel by herself."

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Do you remember seeing that? Yeah, that's who we're talking about today. That woman. Her name was

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Miriam Rodriguez and again, it's very sad. It happens in Mexico and so if you, you know, don't

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want to hear a very sad, tragic case then skip this episode. "Miriam Elizabeth Rodriguez Martinez

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Martinez was born on the 5th of February 1960 in San Fernando, Tamaulipas in Mexico and everyone

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that knew her since childhood describes her in the same way that she was fierce. She was a fierce,

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strong Mexican woman and San Fernando was her home. It always has been but it wasn't the place that

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she knew from her childhood. It changed a lot especially starting the late 1990s and I don't know if

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you know where San Fernando in Tamaulipas is but I'm sure you can imagine why it changed so much

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because it became a very dangerous place. It's 85 miles from Brownsville, Texas, you know, along the

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US-Mexico border. This made it very easy for it to become stomping grounds for cartels because of

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the location. It's a long highways that lead directly to the US. It's in the desert. It's very easy to

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make, you know, different smuggling roads for drugs so it was like an ideal location for cartels

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and that's what happened. By the time she was an adult that's what it became and she was there in

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San Fernando raising her three children who were now adults as well. Luis, Asalea and Karen

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with her husband who was also Luis. There they had a cowboy apparel store called Cowboy. No, sorry,

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where's the name? I wrote it down. Rodeo boots. Wow. That's cool. Yeah. And they've had this store for

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a very long time. They didn't want to leave but many were leaving because like I said, it was a very

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dangerous city by this time. It's the stomping grounds for Los Zetas and Los Zetas control San Fernando. They

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were formerly for people that don't know. Los Zetas were formerly part of a bigger cartel, the Gulf

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Cartel. They were the armed branch of the Gulf Cartel and then like former military Mexican

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military members branched off and became Los Zetas. So they were trained, they're armed and they're

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dangerous. Ever since they split from the Gulf Cartel, they've been feuding with, you know,

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that cartel and numerous others. Yes, thank you. And I mean, again, very dangerous Los Zetas,

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they need to finance their way of life. They're feuding with other cartels. So they started

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kidnapping innocent people for ransom, stealing, extorting local businesses, all typical cartel things.

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And many, many, many in this area have and all over Mexico have been killed bit the cartel.

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In 2010, a mass grave of 72 central and South American migrants was found in San Fernando.

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When, sorry, 2010 and they were possibly killed because they refused to work for Los Zetas. That was

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like one working theory. The other one was that Los Zetas believed they were going to be recreated by

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the opposing cartel and killed them before that happened. But I mean, that's still 72. Yeah.

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Central American and South American migrants, like one would be too much with 72 that's just like

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out of this world. It's horrendous. And then in 2011, the following year, another

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193 remains were found across seven different mass graves in San Fernando. All cartel related.

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How many? Sorry. 193 remains across seven different mass graves. Every time you see the numbers,

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like I don't grasp it, it's unbelievable. And then those are the mass graves, but it's not uncommon

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for at least once a month for 20 people to be found in different areas to this day. That's still the

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case. So yeah, many fled San Fernando because of the increasing violence. But many stayed, including

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medium and her family, except her oldest son, Luis moved to two hours away. But a lot of people

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stayed because you know, this was their home. This is all they knew and they had drown in the home,

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thriving businesses like medium and her family. And then on top of the business, their own store,

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medium also occasionally did some nanny work in Brownsville, Texas. She would drive across the border

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to work there a few. Sometimes she'd stay like a week and then you know, go back home. And then her

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youngest daughter, Karen and her husband will work at the store. And like I said earlier, Luis, the

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oldest son had moved two hours away to Sue that Victoria, hoping to escape the violence.

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The Rodriguez Martinez family, they were not rich, but they were okay. They were better than

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most in this area because of you know, their business and the other work media was doing as a nanny.

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So as a Lea and Luis were gone from the home and Karen, who was 20, she was still working there,

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finishing college and working at the family store. And then on the evening of January 23rd, 2014,

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Karen was leaving rodeo boots. She was in her in the family truck trying to merge into a traffic

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when two trucks pulled up on each side of her truck, forcing her to come to a stop. Then armed men

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forced their way into the family truck and drove away with it with Karen still inside. And they

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drove to the family home. No one else was there because you know, Miriam was in Texas at her nanny job.

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We don't know where the dad slash husband where he was. He was just gone work at work or something.

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I don't know. So they bound and gagged Karen and then left her lane on the floor. And then there was

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a knock at the door. And it was the uncle's mechanic. He had stopped by to work on the family truck.

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So the kidnappers grabbed him, tied him up. But then they later let him go for reasons unknown to

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the state. We don't know why he was just they didn't need him. I guess then as a la called Miriam. And

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immediately Miriam thought something was wrong because you know, as a la was crying and she told her

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the cartel has Karen. We received the ransom call. So Miriam left the nanny job right away to

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her home. One of the like hard parts is she had to write the bus. God, she has like this urgent,

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urgent, urgent crisis going on and she has to wait for the bus. Wait for the bus. Like beyond

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someone else's time. Yeah. And then on top of that, it was a two hour bus ride, which is that is just

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I can't imagine having to sit there knowing this is happening and there's nothing you can do because

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you're just you can't do anything. Yeah. Yeah. You're trying to get there as soon as Miriam arrived

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in San Fernando, a cele app picked her up and they got another call to Miriam's phone. And it was

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the kidnappers again with Karen this time. And you know, it was the typical ransom call where they

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forced Karen to give the message of like drop the money off here and then they just hang up. They

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don't give they don't give the family a chance to talk to her or anything other than Karen giving

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them the message. And the family they talked they were like, well, this is this is the cartel. This

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is a business transaction. They they don't want Karen. They want money. So if we give them the money,

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obviously, we'll receive Karen in return. And that makes sense like to think that. Yeah. Plus,

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she wasn't the first kidnapping at all. This was such a common thing. Yeah. Like people knew how

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these things went. Yeah. It wasn't a matter of if but a matter of when for a lot of people. And so

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they gathered just under $10,000 with their own savings. Then they went out to get a loan at the

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bank. And it was so bad that banks now had loans to get families for ransoms. God, that's terrible.

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Yeah. I can't even fathom being the the lone person. We're like, um, our loans for ransoms actually

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have lower interest rates like what the fuck? Right. That's terrible. It really is. It's crazy. It's

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terrible. But they gathered they gathered all this money. They followed the kidnapper's instructions.

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To the tea, they dropped the money off at the health clinic like they were instructed. And they waited

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at the local cemetery. This is where the kidnappers were supposed to give back Karen. And they

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waited hours. The kidnappers never showed. So two days later, medium asked for a meeting with the

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members of the local cartel and to her surprise they agreed. So she met with the tall skinny

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light-skinned man with curly hair. They met at a restaurant called El Junior and he told medium

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that Los Zetas did not have Karen. But he could help find her for $2,000. But then he was

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contradicted in himself and everything he was telling medium because he was like, well, I'll find her for

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$2,000. Also, Karen has been such an ideal captive person. She's been so easy to deal with.

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Okay. So you can't tell someone, hey, I don't have your daughter, but also your daughter is a good

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kidnapping victim. Yeah. Wow. Also, these these kind of situations are so difficult because yeah,

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like anyone could be like, hey, I can end you here by all the time. Like, I remember this other. I

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don't remember the case or the names of anybody because I'm horrible with memory. But I remember

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that it was this girl. I say girl, but she was probably like early 20s. She went missing from a

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boat or something like that. Her family didn't know what happened to her. And then during their search,

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they hired a private detector and gave him so much money, but he had been making up everything

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he was doing. He wasn't helping them at all. Oh my god. Yeah. And they just gave over all this money.

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And so like, I think about that guy you just said saying like, oh, I can help you find her for $2,000.

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And it's like, it's it's so horrible and opportunistic and so easily to be taken advantage of that

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state of desperation. 100% and it wasn't adding up, but medium, she'd do anything. Obviously,

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anything to get carried back. So she gave him the $2,000. And during the meeting, the man had a

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walkie talkie on his belt. And there was conversations going coming in and out that he wasn't responding to,

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but she overheard the same thing again and again, Samma. And she was like, that must be his name

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or a nickname that'll come back. So then over the next weeks, Samma, he stopped answering the phone.

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He so obviously, this was what you said, him being opportunistic. The cartel probably didn't even know

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he did this. He just was like, oh, this is an easy way to make $2,000. And then other others appeared

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claiming to be Karen's kidnappers. And they it was always the same thing. They asked for more money.

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The family continued to pay, hoping to find Karen. It's because they don't know who it is either. Yeah,

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this terrible. It really is. And after every payment, there were more calls demanding more money.

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And after each payment that failed to return Karen, they began to lose hope naturally. And I mean,

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when things like this happen, like no one knows how they're going to react. What's going to happen. But

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sometimes families lose hope. They start to fall apart. Yeah. So by this time, medium had separated

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from her husband. She had fallen into despair. They both had fallen into their own despair. He was not

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doing anything either. He was, I mean, depressed. And so was she. I mean, it's very common for that to

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happen, like two families, even when someone dies, like a child of theirs dies. Yeah, they don't make it.

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By this time, medium was living with Assela, the oldest daughter. And she wasn't neglecting

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pretty much everything. Then one day suddenly, weeks after the first payment was made, medium got out

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of bed. She shot where she fixed her hair. And then she just turned to Assela in like a super matter

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of fact tone. She told her Karen's not coming back. Karen's dead. And Assela was like, what's happening?

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She was confused. Then medium told Assela she would not rest until she found the people that took

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Karen. And she vowed to hunt them down one by one until her own death. This is when Assela understood

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the mother that she once knew was gone, completely gone. Any hope that medium maybe had felt or still

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had it was not there anymore. It was now replaced with the desire to avenge her daughter. And so

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instead of continuing in the loss and despair like her husband, medium, medium started to make a

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list of people she knew that were in the cartel. People that she had seen or because you know you're

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in these towns and you know names like all that house in that corner. Yeah. That house in the corner

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belongs to so and so and he's like, never look at tell whatever. Yeah. Exactly. So she started to make a

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list of the things that she knew. And then thanks to the mechanic that was like go during Karen's

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kidnapping, he was the one that confirmed. Summer was there. Oh, medium met with him and got the

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details. Then medium cut her hair super short, died a bright red and hopes that when she found

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Sama, he would not recognize her as Karen's mother, the woman he met at that restaurant.

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So then medium spent hours looking through Karen's Facebook profile, looking for clues, just

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clicking on tag picture of their tag picture, just slew them looking for anything that would help her.

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After days of the search, she finally found something. It was a picture tags with the name Sama.

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And it was him. She recognized him from her meeting at the restaurant. So she knew him. Yeah, she

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recognized him in the picture. And he was with the young woman who was wearing a uniform,

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wearing a uniform of an ice cream shop in Cidad Victoria, where her son lived. She knew the uniform

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because she'd been there before. So then she went to Cidad Victoria and she stuck the store for weeks

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until she memorized the young woman's schedule. And she waited outside of each shift waiting to see

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when Sama would show up because she knew he would. And when he finally did, she followed Sama and

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the ice cream worker. Yeah. Yeah, she was doing like legit detective work. Yeah. When he finally showed,

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she followed them to her house and she marked on the address, but she knew she needed more information

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than just an address. She needed like names, more information on him, anything, right? Yeah. So then

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she found one of her old government uniforms from years ago when she worked at a health clinic,

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a government health clinic. She put the uniform on. She used an old ID that so looked like legit.

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And she spent the day conducting a fake poll in the neighborhood going door to door,

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getting information on everyone, including Sama. Oh my god. How does she think of this? Wow. Yeah,

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the determination. And yeah, she got the basic information with this information. She went to

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authorities, local state, federal. She tried them all, but no one was willing to help. I mean,

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it was a cartel case like nobody wanted that. Yeah. And not to mention the people that were working

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with the cartel because we know that's a thing too. So nobody wanted to help her until one police

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officer, one federal police officer did. He remains anonymous in all of the articles. He never

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says his name, but he does say the following about her when she pulled her files onto the table. I had

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never seen anything like it. The details and information gathered by this woman working alone

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were incredible. She had gone to every single level of government and they had slammed the door

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in her face to help her hunt down the people who took her daughter. It was the greatest privilege

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of my career. Oh, that gave me chills. Oh my god. I know. And you know what? I would have remained

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anonymous to file. So oh, 100%. The files he mentions though, she had like, you know, those folders that

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have you open them and they like an accordion file, I think is what they're called. Yeah. She had one

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of those. And that's where she put everything that she was learning into. So it was like a legit

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big case of files that she carried everywhere with her. So with this information, there was

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finally enough for an arrest warrant, but it took a while. So when the arrest warrant was finally

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issued, Sama was nowhere to be seen. Yeah, I knew it. Yeah. And this frustrated medium, of course,

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but she continued her work to gather more intel on everyone. Eventually though, Sama did turn up

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two hours away in South Africa. And it was September 15th, 2014, the day before Mexican Independence Day

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and still on that day, there's festivities leading up to El Vito, right? Yeah. So places are still closed,

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there's still, you know, things going on. And Luis, who had his own shop in Sudas Victoria, he was

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getting ready to close his own shop to celebrate when one last customer walked into his store.

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It was Sama. I fucking knew it. Oh my god. I know. I know. Leave him alone. Well, no, Sama didn't know who he

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was. He just walked in. Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. I thought he was going to go kill him or something. No, no,

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he just walked in to buy some things. No, okay. No, no, you're fine. Luis recognized him from his

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mom's files. So he immediately called medium. And then he followed Sama. Oh, wow. And like, did not

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lose trail of him until the police arrived to arrest him. And of course, when the police arrested Sama,

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he faked a heart. He was like, I have a heart condition. And he was like crying and screaming like

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that he couldn't be arrested. Basically, been a little bitch. I have no words. But he was arrested.

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Good. And then he folded. Uh, he started giving names. Wow. Yeah. Everything. He filled the details

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that my name was missing in her vials. So arresting Sama led police to then arrest Cristian Jose

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Sapa Dago Salas who had just turned 18 and was pretty young to be part of the cartel. That's young. Yeah.

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Yeah. And so when he was picked up and being interrogated, medium sat outside of his interrogation room

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and he could hear Cristian repeatedly asking for his own mom and repeatedly saying he was hungry.

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And medium entered the room, gave Cristian her own lunch and then went and bought him a coke. Oh my god.

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Yeah. And the police were like, what are you doing? Let him suffer. Like, yeah, you know, he did this.

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And then medium told them like, I'm still the mother. And that is a child no matter what he did

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because she's an amazing person. She's going to make me cry. You're going to cry. I cry.

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And after she did this, he started talking. And it's, I mean, maybe because of the kindness she showed

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him. Yes. Yeah. So he, yeah, he said everything. And he then said he could take them to the ranch where

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all the kidnapped were held killed and buried. It was going to be like a, like, this whole big operation

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a raid and Mexican Marines and police worked together during the raid and they let medium

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participate and she put on a marine uniform. Oh my god. I mean, she, she did all of the front work

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for them. So they better let her write. And when they arrived at the ranch, it was like a scene out

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of a horror movie. There was a news hanging from a tree. There was debris everywhere. Turns out

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there had been a firefight between other cartels there 10, like 10 days before this raid. And then

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they also went through a brief firefight. Oh wow. There was some cartel members that were killed. I think

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two female members were killed. No, sorry. They were found and the Marines killed them on the spot.

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That's what happened, which they're not supposed to do, but they did because they're also kind of corrupt.

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And they found some people that were kidnapped and being held there. Sadly, Karen was not among them.

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And so the raid was semi successful. I mean, they saved some people. They found some remains, but

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medium, of course, she wasn't happy because Karen wasn't there. Yeah. And as she was looking around

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the ranch, she found a stack of personable longings and among them, there was a scarf that belonged

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to Karen and the sea cushion Karen used when she drove the family truck. So Karen had been there.

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Wow. After they analyzed and you know, identified the remains, they said Karen wasn't there. So

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she had to be somewhere else. Miriam had to keep looking, right? As they were leaving the ranch, medium

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passed by a barbecue restaurant that's kind of at the entrance of the road that leads to the

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ranch. Okay. And she remembers this restaurant. She had been there two days after Karen's could

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not be in with Aselaa. And sitting outside of the restaurant at a table, there was a girl that

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medium knew Elvia, Yulisa, Bettencourt. And Elvia was sitting by herself, sipping a coke,

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medium approached her and asked like, Oh, have you heard about Karen? Everyone had been the whole

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city of San Fernando knew about Karen. And Elvia was like, No, I haven't heard what happened. So

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that's weird. It's suspicious, right? Yeah. And that's what medium thought to. And it felt like a stab

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in the back because medium had known Elvia her entire life. Elvia had been abandoned by her own mother

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and medium frequently helped her out, gave her Karen's old clothes. She looked out for her and

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Elvia answering this was so suspicious because everyone knew what was happening. So medium left and when

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she got home, she returned to her research. And she discovered that Elvia was romantically involved

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with one of the suspected kidnappers of Karen, who happened to be imprisoned for a completely

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different reason. So medium went to that prison and just like she had at the extreme shop, she waited

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there every day for hours because she was like, Elvia is going to visit this guy there together.

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Like, I know it. She did this for weeks. By this time, she had also found out that one of the ransom

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calls for Karen came from Elvia's house. Wow. Medium suspicions were right. Elvia finally showed up to

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visit her imprisoned boyfriend. And when she did, medium was ready to have her arrested. Medium just

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getting it done. She is. So this was three cartel members involved in the kidnapping of Karen

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arrested. She crossed three names out of her list. But as she continued to investigate,

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her list grew and changed because she was researching. Yeah. And then during all of her research,

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she also began to work with other families of the disappeared. They began going to her because

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they saw what she was doing and when she was capable of, too, yeah. Exactly. And it kind of reminds me

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of Maricella Escobelo Ortiz as well because when she started walking every single day to the judges,

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offices, protesting and slowly she was joined by more and more people like people. Other family members

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would disappear. Daughters, sisters, mothers, they started going to her too. And that's what happened

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here too. She began an organization. And this organization would grow to have 600 families in it.

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Wow. Which is way too much. Yeah. So, you know, she was doing this. She was doing her research. And then

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her research yielded another name Enrique Yoel Rubio Flores. And she learned that he had left the cartel

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and became a born again Christian. So she found his hometown. Travel to it is three hours away from

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San Fernando. It's Aldama. And so she drove over there. And she met Enrique's grandmother at the

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local church. Andrique's grandmother told media that Enrique had always been troubled but he finally

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found God. He was attending church again. So, media knew, well, he's going to show up to Mass.

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She was right. So she started attending Mass herself waiting for him to show up. When he finally

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showed up, she had him arrested. And Enrique's family begged her not to do this to have mercy.

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No. No. No. Yeah. Exactly. That's what she said. She was like, no, where was his compassion

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when he took my daughter? You can't just say I'm a born again Christian and everything you did

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wrong is absolved. Let's not write. No. So the only way to hold him accountable is the criminal

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justice system. And that's what she's doing. She could have done worse. She could have killed them.

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Like she could have killed all these people. Yes. Exactly. Yeah. And instead, she's living it up

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to the justice system, which is not always right. You know, exactly. Exactly. And so yeah, she had

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him arrested. And now at this point, she's two years into her fight for justice for her daughter. God,

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two who years. Yeah. And it's the same thing that we said in the Marisolas,

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gov. Or this episode when we talked about women murdered in the military about Benessaghiyan's mom

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and family members, there's no chance to even sit with your grief because they're over here fighting

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against cold ass government, cold ass cartels. There's no, yeah, no chance to grieve. And I just

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got to take a toll like, oh yeah, I can't even imagine. So yeah, two years after Karen's disappearance,

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she's still researching. She's continuing with her list. And the next person on her list was a

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former florist turned cartel member. She had even bought flowers from him when he was a florist.

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When he was before he joined the cartel, when he was like just a struggling florist in the streets,

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he claims he had been forced into the cartel and then he escaped. So when medium finally

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tracked him down, he was selling sunglasses and CDs near the US Mexico border. He immediately

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recognized medium when she was approaching him. So he ran, medium ran after him, tackled him down,

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held him at gunpoint. Wow. And yelled, if you move all shoot and she contacted the police and she

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held them there for an hour until the police arrives and arrested him. And you know, sad and it's true,

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things like that do happen. People are forcing the cartel into the cartel. But again, he doesn't

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think wrong and he has to be held accountable. So exactly. And she's doing this. Yeah. Because again,

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she could have killed them. Yeah. No, for real. And so yeah, she continues with her list. At this point,

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she's three years into her fight for justice. Almost 10 members or actually by this point, 10

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members that were involved with Diccona being had been arrested by her basically. And then it was

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March 22nd, 2017. There was a prison break in South Africa, the 29 prisoners had escaped by Diggin'

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a tunnel. Most were members of Los Setas and the 10 she had released or she had, sorry, imprisoned,

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also escaped, including one of the actual killers of her daughter, two, sorry, two of them, including

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them. One had been captured, one of the killers, but one was still at large. And medium had

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requested protection from the police. But even at this point, she said she wasn't afraid to die.

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Because she died the day they killed Karen. It's terrible because I know that grief and especially

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when someone is taken from you that way, it's not natural death. It changes people, but she,

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you know, she still has other, even though there are adults, other adult children, you know,

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and it's like her other daughter said the mom that she knew died or was gone, whatever her words

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or something like that. Yeah, it wasn't the same woman anymore. Yeah, no you're right. So even after

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the prison break, media was not done. She even went asked like when is it enough. She was like,

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"Me faltando as putas." There were still two bitches left on her list. This was what she would tell

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people. And these were the two women that she knew were involved. So she had finally found one of the

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two women, La Guera Soto. That's what she was known by. She had escaped or left the cartel life. She

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was now a nanny in Sudavigdoria. And a medium found her. Sat outside of her house waiting, sitting there,

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you know, listening to the radio and just waiting for her to come out. Her car battery died,

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what she was doing this. And we survived to jump her car. And then they watched the house together.

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And then when Don broke, medium called the police, La Guera left her house and medium ran after her.

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And she like, like, went around, medium chased. And then she pulled La Guera down to the ground by her

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hair and held her there until the police arrived. She did, however, break her ankle in the process

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of tackling a medium. And I mean, she is not a young woman. She's in her late 50s at this point, 57

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by this time. To be catching up to people and tackling them and shit. Yeah. So yeah, she broke her

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ankle. By this point, three years later, medium had also been to the ranch three times and had insisted

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for it to be checked for Karen's remains again and again. And this is when finally they re-searched

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among the first set of remains that were found in that first raid. And they found that one of those

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femurs had belonged to Karen. Wow. So now it was like officially confirmed Karen was dead. And they

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kept searching on medium's assistance and they found more, more bones, I guess, more bones. And it

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wasn't a complete skeleton. So medium insisted they kept searching until they had all of Karen. But

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they saw how the funeral because they had most of her now. So they held the funeral for her. God,

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that's terrible. It's terrible. It really is. And then on May 10, 2017, so about a month after

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finding like wetta and breaking her ankle, medium was still in crutches. It was Mother's Day, May 10.

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They had been celebrating the day and it was 10.21 pm. She was parking, heading back home. She was

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finally living with her husband again. They had reconciled. She parked on the street, got out of her

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car when a white Nissan truck pulled up next to her and fired 13 times. Yeah. When he heard the shots,

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her husband ran out of the house. He found her laying on the ground. Her hand had been reaching

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for her pistol that she always carried with her. And he called an ambulance and she sadly passed away

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in the ambulance on the way to the hospital. It's terrible. I'm like, how much loss can one family

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take? You know what I mean? Yeah. And I have chills because it's like, it just reminds me of

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Maricella Escobela Ortiz who fought and fought and fought against such a corrupt unjust system.

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Yeah. And in the end, she was also killed, likely by the same people that killed her daughter.

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And she's not the only one obviously because now we're talking about medium who ended up

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the same fate as Karen. Yeah. And even the whole like new, not mass movement that I think we've

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talked about this maybe not, but it began in Argentina, the whole color of purple. And I want to say that

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it was again a mother who lost her daughter in this manner. I think you're right. And then she is

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also killed in the same way. So it's not like just Mexico obviously, but it's still so I don't know

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if you're reading I guess. Yeah. I mean, like, Femiside is alive and real out there. Yeah. That's why

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International Women's Day is such a big deal. That's what it's really for. Okay. People, well, not that.

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It was working class women, but you know, violence, rampant violence against women internationally is

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a part of it fighting against that and awareness of that. So that's why it pisses me off when

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people act like it's a mother's day type of day for women. And it's like, no, we're not celebrating

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women this day. I'm sorry to say it's not to celebrate women. Do not give your wife flowers for

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International Women's Day. Why don't you go and I don't know, do something to uplift and fight

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against oppression of women worldwide instead? Because what is giving your wife flowers do nothing?

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Yeah. Yeah. Become a feminist instead. Not that hard. Why do you clear house instead? Yeah, no. Okay.

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Brandt over. Go on. So her death was a shock to the community that were protesting

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demanding justice for her death. Even the governor of Tamil Lipa himself went on the record saying,

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like, we're going to find her killers. And two men involved in her murder were arrested two

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months after her death, but they weren't they may they may have been the ones who like killed her,

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but they were not acting alone because these were two 18 and 19 year olds. Oh yeah, they're

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feeling we're not. They were given these orders by someone. There were a hundred percent more people

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involved more men involved in her death. And to this day, they remain free. No one else has been

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investigated. And on top of that, those two, the 18 and 19 year old received a 10 to 15 year sentence.

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So on top of that, her family, especially Louise, her son, who has pretty much taken over her work,

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but it's afraid. Of course. I mean, at this point, his sister, Karen, now his mother explicitly

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targeted for her search and fight for justice. Yeah. He even has said, this is a joke of a sentence,

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like 10 to 15 years for the death of his mother. And I mean, the other people involved remain at

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large. Like, but yeah, he took over the group, the 600 member group of other missing kidnapped people.

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And but after her death, the group's activity diminished due to the fear caused by her death,

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because obviously it's scary and what message are they sending? Like you become too loud, you

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become too active. You say too much, we're going to kill you. And we can. And we can get away with it.

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And so far they have. So yeah, the group is still still there, but yeah, the activity has

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lessened. And in fact, it wasn't until another boy was kidnapped in the same town San Fernando

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that the group began to act again. That boy is Luciano and the family even knew, they all knew

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each other. I'm gonna see when he was kidnapped. What year? Very recently, three years ago. Yeah,

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and it was like such a such a similar case. Trucks pulled up next to his, took him, the family paid

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the ransoms just like they were instructed to and the cartel still killed him. And they were like,

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we're not going to do the same thing. Same thing, medium is dead because like they were scared because

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it was all still so fresh. Her her own death was what four or five years before his. Yeah,

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but they didn't say quiet. They marched. They recorded a message with Luciano's mom like asking for

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him back. They put her down speakers and they would drive around town. Oh my god, playing it. I

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would cry. It's it's so sad. They would play this out loud. They interrupted like government

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meetings, protesting. They did a lot. And but they what they were like, we're not going to do is

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track them down and like what medium did because they were like scared. And I think the dad,

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he was interviewed by the New York Times and he says like, we can't all be like medium and I

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commend. I don't know if that's right where it commend her for her bravery, but I'm not that brave.

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Like I'm I'm scared and look what happened to her. Well, even honestly, even then protesting in this

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way, even that could make the matariate because you know, it's not in its affortunate, but um and I

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could of course understand what he's saying about. And not everyone like you shouldn't have medium

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should not have had to do what she did. And this family should also even like ideally, you know,

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ideally, nothing like this would happen, but and it did. But like ideally, the government would

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respond the way it's opposed to law enforcement would investigate the way they're supposed to instead

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of being in bed with the cartels. Yeah, exactly. And it wasn't until this happened with Luciano that the

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group that medium started really started picking up again with their attempts to fight back protest.

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So yeah, it's an at her funeral, um, thousands attended her funeral. They only who she was. She was

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buried next to Karen in the. Oh, I'm not a cry. Yeah, they have these like, I don't know if they're

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seated trees, but it was this part of the pantheon of the cemetery with like trees above it and

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they're next to each other. They're like three plots down from Luciano. Oh wow. That's terrible. And

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even in death, medium managed to catch the last person on her list. Really? Even after her death, yeah.

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So one month after her death, um, authorities in Veracruz found the final person on medium's list.

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They found out they're putta. Yeah, exactly. And they only found her because of medium's intel.

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That's why they knew where to look. So she was a former member of Los Etas. She had fled to Veracruz.

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She was involved in beating and torturing Karen during her captivity. Then she fled to Veracruz to

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raise her son. And yeah, medium did the work gave it to Veracruz officials and they found her

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with medium's information. Good. Two weeks before her own death, medium had updated her whatsapp status

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to say. And again, they were still missing

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parts of Karen. They did the funeral because they had most of her, but not all of her. That's a big deal

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for a lot of people. Well, isn't that belief the Catholic belief? If I remember right,

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that you had to be whole. Your body has to be whole to enter heaven or something like that?

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Yeah, I think so. And it also has, it's like, I know it's a thing with Muslims too because I know

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that's such a big thing in Palestine right now where like, a lot of people are not complete and

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it's such another insult on top of that because now their beliefs are, yeah, I mean, they can't,

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you know, go to heaven. And yeah, they kept searching for her or trying to search for her,

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demanding the authorities to search for her. You can find a bronze statue of Miriam in

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La Plaza Central of San Fernando. And there's a plaque that reads, "Apprendi que el coraje no es la ausencia de

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miedo si no el triunfo sobre el el hombre valiente no es aquel que no siente miedo si no el que conquista

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el miedo." I learned that courage is not the absence of fear, but the triumph over the brave man

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is not one who does not feel fear, but the one who conquers fear. Although I feel like they should

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have put women not man, but I was going to say in the statue of a woman, yeah, woman. But yeah,

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she is still loved by, you know, so many and remembered and visited that plaque of hers is to, yeah,

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it's there. And yeah, it's just like we've been saying this whole time. It's just a tragic, tragic

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case. Like I've seen people covering it and they're like, "Oh, it's so inspiring." But to me,

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it's just so sad and unfair. And obviously this is a strong, strong, fierce woman who had to do this,

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but it's like she shouldn't have had to do this. Yeah, it makes me think of, and there's, I think I've

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talked about this before too, but there's a clip and I don't know her name because I can't remember it

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right now, but there's a clip that goes viral almost every like international woman's day of a woman.

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And it was when the march in Sidao de Mexico got like violent and women like broke and burned down

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like buildings, which honestly, I'm here for it. I'm here for it. But there's one woman who says,

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"Who cares? Who cares if I burn down the world?" Like, she was my world and you took her and you're

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not doing anything about it. And obviously it's on Spanish. And she's like a mom whose daughter was killed.

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And she's saying this and all these stories just make me think of her or also of Vanessa Guillén's mom

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being, you know, outside of her hood by herself with the sign. But Rufina, Maya, who we've talked about.

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Yes. Yeah. How these women, just all the women we've talked about, yeah, yeah, fighting, not a chance to

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grieve. Yeah. And honestly, like going up against the world for their children. It's just sad.

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It is. It is. And yeah, definitely the main takeaway also for me, like you, is not how inspiring it is.

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And of course, it is. That's not to diminish that, but it shouldn't have to be like you said,

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inspiring like these women, these mothers, these families should have been allowed the time to grieve

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and to process and to heal and instead they had to fight and fight and fight and then they were killed

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for it. Yeah. And then after all that, they were killed many times by the same people that killed

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their own daughters. Sorry, my voice is done. But yeah, that was the case of medium,

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Rodriguez. And I'll put pictures up here so everyone can see her bright fiery hair that matches her

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fiery spirit. Yeah. But yeah, I guess I wasn't going to do a listener story, but I was like, you know

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what? I guess we should have like something to underpress me specifically. So now we're going to

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move on to our listener story. And if you have a story that you want us to read, you can email

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espucuitosagema.com. You can DM us on any of our socials. You can submit it on discord. We have a

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channel that says submit your scary story. You can also call the espucuit hotline that number is in

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the show notes or you can record a voice no one email it. All those are options. Carmen's going to

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read it because my voice is done. I've been sick. I'm a little better, but my voice is done. Yeah,

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so yeah. All right. So here goes the listener story. Hetchy guys, big fan of y'all. I really

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love the podcast. I listened to Spotify. I have two stories to tell you. I don't know if you

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find it spooky or not, but I thought they did to me to start on the first story or event and happen

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to my aunt who lives in Guanajuato in Un Rancho. This happened a long time ago. One night she was coming

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back from work and she would walk every day from work to the house. And one specific night she was

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walking near this baseball field and she said that she saw this figure of a man leaning against a tree

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and she passed beside him and told him, "When does it not just goodnight?" And she said that the moment

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he lived in his head, he had red glowing eyes and she just walks past her home. Oh no, that's...

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That was atanas. That was the devil. That was atanas himself. Oh my god, that's so creepy. Yeah,

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that's terrifying. I um, different would Iran home. I would have thrown up. Yep, that's scary. Okay,

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so the next one. My next story happened to my sister, my cousin, my niece, and my nephew. This happened

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back in 2015 in the Rancho where I'm from in Guanajuato. I went to Mexico to celebrate my quinceñera

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and one day when we were in practice and we had to cut it short because it started to rain and then

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stopped until dark. One of my damas couldn't be picked up by her sister because it was muddy and the

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motorcycle could slide through the mud so we decided to walk her home. Makes sense. And then in

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parenthesis, she says, "My mom didn't know we were going to walk all the way to her house which was

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far from where we were having the practice." We walked her and when we were coming back, we walked

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through the baseball field. Oh no, not the baseball field. The one at the end. Okay, wow. And we were

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holding umbrellas because it started to drizzle and we started to feel like something was flying or

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I don't know how to explain it, but something moved the umbrellas from our hands and then we started

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hearing something far like moving through the bushes. I just remember we were so scared that we

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decided to not like back and I wouldn't know the same. And we just ran because we just kept feeling

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something following us and in our mind we just kept saying it's nothing and it was just some cows

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following us. But my cousin looked back, she saw nothing following us and we just ran home

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till this day. I just want to keep it in my head that it was a cow following us. It was the cows. Sure,

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if that makes you feel better, it was a cow. I want to tell myself something like that too. Like,

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oh, it was, but on us back guys, like don't worry, it was just the cows moving behind us.

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Oh my god, it's horrible that it was the same baseball field because that immediately makes

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we think that no, sorry, it was not the cows, it was actually, it was a tenas. Seriously. Yeah,

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that was creepy. Wow. Okay, well thank you so much for your story. That was for sure, Espookie.

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Very Espookie. Yeah, we, I got scared for sure. Yeah, me too. That's it. Don't cross baseball fields.

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I didn't run, and if you do, don't look back and just run back and it was the cows.

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For sure, the cows. And yeah, stay Espookie. We'll catch everyone next time. Bye. (https://www.espookytales.com/the-case-of-miriam-rodriguez/)