April 8, 2025

Eliza DeWolfe: Scandalous Love & Suffrage

Eliza DeWolfe: Scandalous Love & Suffrage

Ever wondered how free love, feminism, and scandal shaped the 1800s Pacific Northwest? Join Caitlyn as she tags along with Shea of https://open.spotify.com/episode/2263faqkVOrmdrEZk3fWdi. *This episode contains piping hot old-timey PNW tea!* 🫖 Learn...

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Ever wondered how free love, feminism, and scandal shaped the 1800s Pacific Northwest? Join Caitlyn as she tags along with Shea of History Unhinged: Rainy Day Rabbit Holes. *This episode contains piping hot old-timey PNW tea!* 🫖 Learn all about free love and feminism in 1860s PNW as well as an iconic woman of the day. In the rugged 1800s Pacific Northwest, one woman defied societal norms with bloomers, boldness, and a passion for equality. Meet Eliza Woodard Hurd DeWolfe, a trailblazer whose story still inspires.

This episode unravels tales of unconventional relationships, daring dress reform, and the enduring fight for women’s suffrage. Packed with humor, history, and heartfelt moments, it’s a wild ride into the past. Discover the roots of the free love movement and its surprising ties to early feminism. Follow the bold actions of Eliza DeWolfe as she challenges 19th-century social norms. Learn how dress reform became a symbol of freedom and suffrage in the Pacific Northwest.

Uncover the wild story of free love advocate Eliza DeWolfe in 1800s Pacific Northwest. Scandal, feminism, and boldness await! Listen now!

Chapters & Timestamps:
00:00 - Introduction: Meet Shea from Rainy Day Rabbit Holes and Caitlyn from PNW Haunts and Homicides.
00:10 - Free Love Origins: The surprising history of free love, starting in the 2nd century.
00:33 - Eliza’s Defiance: Riding in bloomers and the "conjugal alliance" scandal.
00:43 - Dress Reform & Suffrage: Eliza’s lasting impact on women’s rights.
00:58 - Final Thoughts & Takeaways: Celebrating Eliza’s legacy.

Don’t forget to visit our rainydayrabbitholes.com if you enjoyed this episode! Special thanks to Bethany Kay Matthews for her invaluable research.

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Welcome to the Rainy Day rabbit Holes podcast, your escape

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from the mundane. Dive into the rich history of the

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Pacific Northwest with us, and let your mind wander down

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the rabbit hole, because in the Northwest it's always raining.

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Something weird. I'm Shay and I'm Jodie. Let's fall down

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the rabbit hole. Caitlin, Yeah, that's you. When I say

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the words free love? What comes to mind for you?

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Oh?

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Definitely, hippies, peace signs, yeah, like Paisley right, flower power?

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Yeah, the nineteen sixties, yeah, yeah, walking it Charles Manson maybe,

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Oh well, I mean, Charlie's never far from our minds

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as true crime girls, right, He's always with us.

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Yeah, yeah, Well, I might just blow your mind a

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little bit today with a tale of free love, feminism

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and strong women in the sixties.

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But here's the twist. It's the eighteen sixties. Oh shit,

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that's the time that Jody and I love to hang

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out in. The best is the eighteen hundreds in the

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Pacific Northwest.

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It was wild.

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What's wild here? It's so good? Well, rabbit holders, you

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might have already noticed something different today. You can finally

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tell the host's voices apart there. That's because today we

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have a very special guest. It's only Caitlin from the

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PNW Haunts and Homicides podcast. Welcome Caitlyn, thank you, thank

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you so much for joining me today. So Caitlin and

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Cassie are the dynamic duo who hosts PNW Haunts and Homicides.

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It's a Pacific Northwest paranormal and true crime podcast and

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they are part of our Umbrella podcast collective.

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Yes we are. Wow. Can you can you come and

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do like our intro on our show?

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Sure? Anytime? Right, So tell my listeners a little bit

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about your show and where they can find you.

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Oh my gosh, I mean can I really top that?

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Can I add anything to that?

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We're on all of the things where we're on all

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of the socials and basically all of the major streaming

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platforms for podcasts that I can think of.

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We always tell people if there's one.

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That you know of that we're not on, let us know,

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I guess something really obscure.

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That is your preferred.

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Tin Can podcast player.

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Yeah, basically, I mean it would have to be.

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But they can always go to your website to find

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links to everything, right, It's true.

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Yeah, we have a link tree and a website.

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And it's PNW Huntsonhomicides dot com.

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Right it is. Yeah, we snagged her.

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Well and if you ever can't remember that, guys, you

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can always go to our website, randydayrabbit holes dot com,

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forward slash umbrella and that's where you can find links

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to all of the podcasts under our umbrella, like PNW

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Hunts and Homicides. So definitely give them a listen. All right,

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So Kalin today is kind of a side quest. I

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got sucked down this particular rabbit hole while researching last

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week's episode about Henry Yesler. So, Henry and his wife

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Sarah had an unconventional relationship. Not only did they abstain

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from the traditional Christian religion, they were spiritualists, which actually

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had some interesting ties in with Christianity. Like a lot

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be like the devil worshiping side of.

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Things, right, not counterintuitive to religion, right?

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Yeah, but they also practiced and get ready to clutch

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your pearls. Free love. Oh are we scandalized yet?

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I'm so excited.

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So for most people, free love brings up visions of

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flower crown wearing hippies getting freaky in the back of

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a VW bus.

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Right, definitely.

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But what was extremely so prizing is that the roots

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of this movement can be traced all the way back

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to the second century whoa with an obscure sect of

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early Christians called the Adamites. So these free thinking dudes

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and dudets from North Africa claim to have regained Adam

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and Eve's original innocence. So I'm assuming before they ate

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the right fruit from the tree, and yeah, figured out

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that for some reason naked was being bad.

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I don't know, is naked is bad? Don't do that.

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Don't need apples, it's a thing.

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Don't eat apples off of random trees because there's probably

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worms in them. I don't know if you've ever been

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like you're like, hey, there's an apple on this tree

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and take a bite and then you can see like

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the hole that the worm had gone through, and you're like,

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that's why I can think of that.

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I know, I'm I'm like, that's horrifying.

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because it gets worse?

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What like street drugs? You know, like right, you know,

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hard drugs. I was like, yes, I mean yeah, like

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an apple with a worm in it is bad, but

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like you know, I think it's worse.

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Right, true podcaster? Okay, Okay, I heard where you're going.

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I was like, are they putting drugs in the apples nowadays?

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What are the kids doing these days? I mean I

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have made a bowl out of an apple back in

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my day, but I can put together with the apple

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and the street drugs. Okay. I was not going where

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you were leading.

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I know you need bread string. Okay, it's part of

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I'm told it's part of my charm.

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I don't know.

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You went straight from from Adam and Eve eating apples

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to street drugs.

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Yeah, I'm clubbing.

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So the Adamites practiced their rituals in the nude and

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naked thyme was generally widely accepted, and they rejected the

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concept of marriage, saying it would never having but for sin.

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So they also thought that no actions could be held

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as either good nor bad. So what do you think

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people thought of them? They were, of course labeled as

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devil worshipers.

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Yeah, I was going to say, I don't think that's

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going to go over well.

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No, and practices similar to the Adamites have sprung up

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through the centuries, from the Brethren of the Free Spirit

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in the thirteenth century to the Taborites in Bohemia in

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the fifteenth century. Free love played a powerful part in

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radical thinking during the English Revolution in the mid sixteen hundreds.

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And so you might be wondering, then, what exactly is

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free love how we're talking about it today?

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Yeah, I want to know what you found out that

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it is.

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Well, it's a philosophy that challenges many of what we

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would think of as ingrained societal norms. So it seeks

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freedom from state regulation and church interference in personal relafe relationships.

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So basically the core is the free union of adults,

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that adults of legal consenting age can enter into relationships

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without legal or religious recognition or regulation, and that they

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can come and go as they please in those relationships.

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That's very important to it. It's basically like, you can

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freely be in this relationship for as long or as

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short as you want, and freely leave it whenever you want,

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and that there's no legal or religious repercussions for that.

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And it really came into sharp focus in the mid

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eighteen hundreds as feminism began to grow into the modern

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suffrage movement. So the free union term has been used

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since then to describe a relationship into which all parties enter, remain,

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and leave freely. Makes sense, and marriage is often viewed

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as a form of slavery and human ownership, especially for

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women and children.

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I mean, yeah, that's fair.

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Yeah. Actually, back before there were any sort of legal

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protections for people, you know, for people in marriages or

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the children, you know, yeah, you were your husband or

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father's property property, Yeah, to do with as he wishes.

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So beating your wife for a long time not illegal.

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Raping your wife right, not illegal? You know.

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Yeah, that one stayed l legal for a lot longer

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than we'd like, I think, a lot longer than beating.

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I think the last state to make marital rape I

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legal was in like the nineteen eighties or the nineteen nineties,

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Like it took that long.

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That sounds yeah, yeah, that sounds accurate.

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Yeah yeah. So let's bring it back to the Pacific

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Northwest and Henry and Sarah Yesler. So for the Yeslers,

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a little love on the side weren't no big thing. Oh,

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when Sarah Yessler finally moved to Seattle to be with

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her husband after seven years. And if you guys want

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to hear more, you got to listen to my Henry

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Yesler episode from last week. Just say Yesler, Yes, just

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say Yesler to the Dressler. No, that was dumb. Sorry,

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yours is much better.

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No, I like it. Sometimes, you know, they can't they

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can't all land No, that's the thing.

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They can't all be gyms.

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Yeah, and I've got quite a few flops. If we

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went through on my river Side account, you would see,

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like some of the faces that Cassie has made.

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It me like when Sarah Yesler finally moved to Seattle

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to be with her husband after seven years, she was

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nonplus to find that Henry had conceived a child with

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his living Native American housekeeper slash Indian wife. That's what

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they call them back in Oh boy.

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Yeah, but it's totally cool.

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Yeah, she was fine. A lot of records state that

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she embraced the child as her own, even though they

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did send the kid off to live with a foster

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family pretty quickly. Oh so that's embracing. So she wasn't mad.

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But there was also a little evidence that Sarah might

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have been having a little fun on the side as well,

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I mean.

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That's the whole that's fair whole arrangement, you know.

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But yeah, for the late eighteen hundred, so this is

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early Seattle. I'm sure it was scandalous. Yeah.

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So.

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In a letter from Sarah's good friend Eliza Woodard to

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Sarah Yessler, dated October seventh, eighteen sixty, Eliza congratulated Sarah

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on her success with a mister meigs. Hmmm, why, I

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am perfectly astonished. That's my accent for her. I don't

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know where she's from.

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I dig it. I'm with it.

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Why, I am perfectly astonished and delighted at your daring

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boldness walk right into the affections of a man. I

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hope it isn't anything bad for I want to share

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in the spoils. And you know I wouldn't da r

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e if it wasn't modest. Old, Well, Sarah, I'll talk rational.

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You are the most bewitching little muggins I know of.

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If only I had hold of you, I would squeeze

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you for half an hour.

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Yeah, you know, I'm starting to pick up on the spicy.

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Yeah you were mentioning.

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I mean, yeah, it sounds a little scumble.

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Yeah, it was like, oh yeah, No, honestly, I was

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just gonna say, like, do I smell a thrubble?

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I don't know. I mean, it gets spicier. But who

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is this mysterious mister Meigs?

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Good question.

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Well, luckily I have a subscription to newspapers dot com

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and we have historylink dot org. Thank you for your

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work historylink dot org. So George Anson Meegs was another

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Pacific Northwest titan of industry. He owned Blake Island, He

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built a large sawmill at Port Madison on Bainbridge Island,

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and he also built the very first foundry in Seattle.

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So it makes sense that Sarah might have been rubbing

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elbows with this man, given her own husband's prominence in Seattle.

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But who's to say what his relationship with Sarah really was.

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We can only speculate, and I like to speculate.

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Let's speculate.

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So, oh, by the way, Blake Island, after ga Meagus

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stripped it of all of its profitable timber, he stopped

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paying his property taxes to King County, and so they

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had to forgive him two thousand dollars worth of back

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property taxes, which was around seventy six thousand dollars today.

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So that they didn't have to repossess it, but then

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the bank that held mortgages had to foreclose on him

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and take possess to know the island, So you know,

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good job, dude.

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Wow, So he's a real dick.

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Yeah, you know, I'm like kind of finding that the

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early founders of Seattle had something in common, and that's

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that they did not like to pay their debts.

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Yeah, I mean that makes sense. I guess, like who

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wants to pay their bills, but like the rest of

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us do.

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So I'm just saying.

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The rich ones didn't, right, That's he's man.

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He walked so the elon could run, right, you know,

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bezos literally also from Seattle.

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All right, So the most spicy, juicy and scandalous evidence

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of Sarah's possible secret love life comes from two earlier

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letters that same year from Eliza. So Sarah would often

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sail down to San Francisco to take a water cue,

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which was just hydrotherapy. It was very, very big in

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the eighteen hundreds, and it was offered by Eliza's husband

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and oh, we will get to him later. So these

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letters appear to be shortly after one of Sarah's San

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Francisco trips and hint at a deeper and more personal

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relationship between the two ladies. In one letter, Eliza exclaims, oh, Sarah,

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I wish to stay so much and could not say anything.

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I want to sleep with you again.

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Wow, that's the real Samford.

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Yeah, co Tree, good one. Damn Yeah.

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It just keeps getting spicier.

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Yes, and here's one more. At the close of another

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letter about a month later, Eliza writes, I would like

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to step into your bathing room tonight and take an abolution,

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and you might shower me too, and I would not

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squeal so bad. I would like to tell you how

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I spanked the captain last night, but have time now. Sorry,

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I don't think that that's actually like an then you

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window listen.

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That was spicy for the time though.

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She would talk about this this Captain and a lot

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of the letters, and she did refer to spanking people

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a lot, like for some reason the eighteen hundreds, people

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really like to spank their friends. I don't know, but

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did they or did she? When in this context, when

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you say I would like to tell you how I

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spanked the captain last night, but having time now, it

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does sound rather filthy.

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It does that's what.

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I'm gonna call it from now on, right.

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I'm gonna go spank the captain, if you know what

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I mean.

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Fill a little tense. I need to spank the captain.

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Oh my god, I call him Blackbeard the Captain.

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Oh okay, Okay, Joni's gonna be so upset that she

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missed this.

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She loves that sort of stuff.

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Okay.

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Now, this is all open to interpretation. Some authors and

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historians have taken these letters in their close relationship as

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a possible sexual one like me, Yeah, but just because

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I want to h Yeah, I mean shipping ragged. But

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others are of the opinion that we might not be

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taking differences in how friends spoke to each other back

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in the day.

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I do think that was more common with female friends

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in particular.

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Yeah, and it was common for female friends to share

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beds at the time. And because Eliza and her husband

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operated a water cure therapy clinic, it's very possible and

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not out of the question that Eliza and Sarah would

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have bathed together, and not even in a sexual way. Yeah, yeah,

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I like the to imagine the spicy version though.

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Listen, I'm just working with the information that I have presented,

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and I'm.

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Saying a raise of the eyebrow to you, good sir, exactly.

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Yeah. Now, we've talked a bit about the free love

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movement and a few characters in that story here in

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the Pacific Northwest. But how does this tie into the

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early feminist movement? But that's why we've brought miss Eliza

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and Woodard Heard into our story. She was breaking hearts,

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breaking rules, and maybe breaking a few corset laces. And

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Excellent.

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Well, I am here with Caitlin from the PNW Haunts

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and Homicides podcast and we were about to talk about

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how free love, feminism, and the Pacific Northwest are intertwined.

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Ah a beautiful baby.

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So Eliza Ann woodard Heard migrated to the Pacific northwest

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via the Oregon Trail with her family in the summer

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of eighteen fifty two, when Eliza was just eighteen years old.

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I mean, actually I say just but at that point

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eighteen years old, like you are.

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She's practically an old maid, right.

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Yeah, And by early eighteen fifty three they had settled

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in Olympia, Washington. She married Jane Heard in eighteen fifty five,

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a respected market owner in Olympia who had one of

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the largest meat packing businesses in the area. Well, hello,

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and that's not an innuindo to anything else. They just

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packed me unfortunately. I mean I was really hoping we

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could go somewhere with that one.

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Hey, we can take this wherever we That's right.

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I'm sure there was some meatpacking bag in those days.

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Right. He's like an old timey mister big.

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He had meatpackers working for him as far away as

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eastern Washington. He also employed someone you might have heard of,

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Nisqually Chief Leshi.

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Okay, well, I'm not sure if I can totally place it,

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but it sounds very, very familiar.

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Well, Leshie is a community in Seattle named after this chief.

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He was pretty well known in the early founding of Seattle,

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and he was accused of murder in eighteen fifty seven.

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And James heard testified in Leshie's defense during this murder trial.

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And that's all I'll say about Leshi. I'll save that

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for another episode, Okay. So, unfortunately, James was attacked by

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a wild ox and killed in eighteen fifty seven, leaving

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it behind his wife an infant child.

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God damn.

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Yeah. The heartbroken Eliza turned to spiritualism to cope with

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her grief. She believed that she was able to contact

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her husband's spirit and took comfort from it. In a

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letter to Sarah, she writes, he lives. I know it

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because I feel it permeate my entire being. And if

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he lives, he still loves me and is cognizant of

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my thoughts, aspirations and whereabouts. Ah, peaceful thought, What comfort

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it brings to my yearning soul. Oh yeah, I know,

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I'm like a little cheery. She was a beautiful writer.

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After her husband died, she wrote this full page poem

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about her grief to Sarah that like, I would not

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be able to read on this podcast because I would

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just ball like a little baby. You just cry. Yeah.

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So she actually was a beautiful writer. In eighteen fifty one,

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while visiting family in Santa Cruz, California, she developed connections

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in the spiritualist community. From then on, she regularly communicated

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with the spirit world, took water cures, and adhered to

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a vegetarian diet, which was big with that community back then.

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Yeah, and you know what, they had me and then

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they lost me.

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And well I thought at first she said they had

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meat and then they lost meat, and I was like, oh, well,

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that's a weird way to refer to her husband.

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Oh no, oh god, yeah, that works in multiple ways.

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Oh no.

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Her circle of spiritualist friends became very important to her,

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and she would often travel from Olympia to San Francisco

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to visit. In the same letter to Sarah, she writes,

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we will indeed try to be harmonious and happy, thereby

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be enabled to communicate with the unseen world. I fear

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my advantages for being developed as a medium will be

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very limited my friends here in the abc of the

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beautiful philosophy of spiritualism. So it sounds like she was

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maybe wanting to be a medium. She did speak several

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times about doing sciences where there was table tapping and

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some clairvoyance sleep. I'm not sure what that.

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Is, neither am I to be honest.

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So she was, Yeah, she was definitely involved in the

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spiritualist community, which, interestingly enough, the spiritualist community had a

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lot of women's suffrage in it because it was something

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and that was what I was going to get into

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further and here before I ran out of time. Yeah,

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so I'll just touch briefly on it here. So spiritualism

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was important in the women's suffrage movement because a lot

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of women were mediums and would work in giving sciences

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and that sort of thing, and so it gave women

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a way to have some income and some power, right,

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And so that was one of the big reasons why

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a lot of suffrages would do that. Now, unfortunately, a

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lot of women were still being taken advantage of by

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men in that by and I'm saying by oh, fathers

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and husbands basically like spiritualists pimping out their wives and

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children to do this. Like Victoria Woodhall, that's how she started.

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Her dad was forcing her and I'm not forcing they

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like to do it, but he would starve them so

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that they would look more wafy and have them go

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hold seances and fully helped them grift people through this.

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Wow, you'd have to starve me for me to look wafy.

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Yeah, my wafe days are far behind me, like forty

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years behind me.

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Wafy. I never knew her.

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So Early in eighteen sixty, a man by the name

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of Charles Henry D. Wolfe was a popular lecture in

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San Francisco, holding forth about the wonders of phrenology and

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accompanying sciences. If you're not familiar, phrenology is the pseudoscience

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that involves measuring the skulls bumps to predict a person's

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mental traits and personality. Very popular in the nineteenth century,

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and it was also quite racist.

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Yes, I was gonna say, oh that old.

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Jem Yes, yes, And Charles Henry fancied himself a doctor

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of this science.

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Oh excellent.

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Now, of course, back in those days it was pretty

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easy to call yourself a doctor without any credentials.

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I was gonna say, you know what, I've always felt like,

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you know, I should just self nominate.

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You know, well, people can check on things nowadays. Yeah,

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they didn't have Google back then to look up your credentials.

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And also, you know, given that phrenology isn't actually a science.

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You can feel free to make up whatever crap you

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want about it and call yourself a doctor of it,

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and people will as long as you got confidence, man,

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you can do it.

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I mean, it's that charis exactly. It's classic cult leader stuff.

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Here.

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Why I say I could always be a cult leader?

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Oh maybe I could doctor too of some made up

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your leader.

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It kind of sounds like, you know, when you're a

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kid and you're like, I want to be Like actually,

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I was listening to another show where they were talking

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about he wanted to be a lawyer slash wrestler, so

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he would be a daytime wrestler, a nighttime lawyer, so

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always seeking justice.

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It sounds like it sounds like that, kind of like

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a superhero by day. You know.

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Yeah, I don't think this guy was superhero in anyway.

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No, No, only if it was you, oh it was me.

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You know, I would be a doctor of essential because

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I used to. I went through a real crunchy phase

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when I was in my thirties where I was like,

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everything's bad for you except for essential ills, and you

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should just put them on everything. And I got over that.

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I gave myself ezema because I, oh no, I was

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putting it raw on my face, like undiluted, and I

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got this huge abscess on the side of my cheek

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that was literally weeping, and I would not I was

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like refusing to do anything except for book more essential

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oil ont and I finally was like, what am I

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doing and gave up on that as special oils smell nice,

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and I think that's about all they really do. But

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I do know a lot about what people say they do,

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so I could be a doctor of essential oils and

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I could actually sound like I know what I'm talking about.

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People would believe me.

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And you know what, thanks to Dotera, that really is

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like still doctor Colt, right, Doctor Colt.

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The pseudoscience is strong with these ones.

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00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:08.200
Yes, Oh my gosh, it's wild.

469
00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:10.160
I love essential oils too.

470
00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:12.720
There's a lot of stuff that I'm like, hey, listen,

471
00:27:12.799 --> 00:27:15.519
though there's not science.

472
00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:17.400
Yeah, you know, and when people say that it can

473
00:27:17.440 --> 00:27:21.319
cure like real diseases, and then people don't seek treatment

474
00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:24.920
for their cancer because somebody has told them that they

475
00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:27.680
just need to, like I don't know, put coffee up

476
00:27:27.720 --> 00:27:30.920
there butt and then use essential oils and then they die.

477
00:27:31.240 --> 00:27:36.079
And I think that that's right, criminal it for sure. Yes, yeah,

478
00:27:36.599 --> 00:27:39.440
I think essential oil I have. I use essential oils

479
00:27:39.440 --> 00:27:42.039
all the time. We have a diffuser in our studio.

480
00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:44.680
They smell amazing. I put them in my laundry because

481
00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:48.279
they smell great, and I feel like essential oil smells

482
00:27:48.319 --> 00:27:52.400
don't give me headaches like fake smells do, and putting

483
00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:54.720
it in like my laundry doesn't irritate my skin like

484
00:27:54.920 --> 00:27:58.680
you know, like all the chemical stuff does. But they

485
00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:02.640
also still are chemicals, people like, don't fool yourself. Chemicals

486
00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:05.559
are just the makeup of life. Everything is a chemical.

487
00:28:05.680 --> 00:28:06.440
Water is a chemical.

488
00:28:06.559 --> 00:28:10.039
Yes, yeah, I mean chemical has gotten a real bad

489
00:28:10.160 --> 00:28:10.720
rap as it.

490
00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:14.240
But you can't live chemical free because you wouldn't be living.

491
00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:18.759
I mean you literally can't, just because it's already it's

492
00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:19.400
in the water.

493
00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:24.599
You are chemicals. Yeah anyway, Okay, I could go on

494
00:28:24.680 --> 00:28:32.440
and on, I could rant over. Oh okay. So Charles

495
00:28:32.440 --> 00:28:35.160
Henry had lived in Old Town, Maine in the eighteen

496
00:28:35.200 --> 00:28:38.240
forties and fifties, and he considered himself a preacher, among

497
00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:41.599
other things, but more of a do what I say,

498
00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:45.720
not what I do kind of spiritual leader. Because he

499
00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:49.319
was eventually chased out of town after a scandalous tryst

500
00:28:49.839 --> 00:28:56.079
with an unmarried young woman. Fantastic, So yeah, good job, preacher.

501
00:28:56.839 --> 00:29:00.359
So he began publishing, lecturing, and organizing for reform groups

502
00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:03.079
across the country. Now it didn't mention what kind, but

503
00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:05.559
then there was a mention that he was traveling with

504
00:29:05.640 --> 00:29:08.440
a free love enclave by this time, so I think

505
00:29:08.480 --> 00:29:12.279
it was freelove reform groups, or maybe marriage reform or

506
00:29:12.279 --> 00:29:16.680
something like that. And in eighteen sixty his sixteen year

507
00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:19.400
old daughter had grown really fond of San Francisco and

508
00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:22.039
refused to leave, so he settled in. To make a

509
00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:25.079
name for himself, so he traveled throughout northern California, Oregon,

510
00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:29.400
and Washington giving lectures, although many towns rebuked his presence.

511
00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:34.480
There was a two page article in a newspaper and

512
00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:35.359
I'm gonna.

513
00:29:35.240 --> 00:29:38.240
Just cliff notes, I'm just gonna.

514
00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:41.000
Read like my favorite little part about the in this.

515
00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:44.799
It was in a newspaper in Salem, Oregon, stating beware

516
00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:48.720
of the fell Destroyer. This he wolf in sheep's clothing,

517
00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:52.160
whose only object is to seek out victims on whom

518
00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:55.839
to satiate the brutal lusts of his corrupted and extremely

519
00:29:56.039 --> 00:30:00.759
violated carcass whoa tell us tell you he really feel,

520
00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:05.920
Sailor Morgan, seriously, don't hold back. Doctor C. H. De

521
00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:10.960
wolf is an inflated montebank. Whatever that is sounds bad, wow,

522
00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:15.400
a thorough going rotten heart and hypocrite, a miserable, low

523
00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:21.359
bred self abandoned and letitious, profligate, and an internet libertine.

524
00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:26.000
I'm very scandalized, too unfit to run at large amount

525
00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:30.519
his own kind, and utterly unworthy the appellation of a man.

526
00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:32.920
I didn't understand most of that, but it sounds bad.

527
00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:37.759
I mean, listen, through context, I am able to establish

528
00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:42.440
that he is not only bad, but he is not good.

529
00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:46.839
No, no, And it goes on further, calling him more names,

530
00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:50.359
speaking of his demeanor and actions, especially with some of

531
00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:52.799
the ladies in town. But you get the point.

532
00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:58.839
I mean, I think, so I'm interested, so I'll need

533
00:30:58.880 --> 00:30:59.319
the leak.

534
00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:01.680
But yeah, I know, we're like, I want to know

535
00:31:01.759 --> 00:31:02.480
more about him.

536
00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:03.079
So.

537
00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:06.519
Eliza first mentions doctor de Wolfe in eighteen sixty one

538
00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:09.599
in a letter to Sarah, saying that she had received

539
00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:12.599
a letter from him announcing that he had arrived in

540
00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:16.519
Portland and would be in Olympia within five weeks. It

541
00:31:16.599 --> 00:31:18.480
is most likely that she met him on one of

542
00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:22.200
her trips to Santa Cruz or San Francisco. In May

543
00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:26.079
of eighteen sixty two, doctor de Wolfe arrived in Olympia,

544
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:29.400
where he presented a public lecture on the vegetarian diet.

545
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:33.519
And like we said, vegetarianism was also connected with social

546
00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:39.160
reform movements such as temperance and individualism. So vegetarianism was

547
00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:43.480
also called a plane diet. And oh interesting it was

548
00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:47.400
meant to I think, like doctor Kellogg had a whole

549
00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:49.240
thing about a plane diet.

550
00:31:49.400 --> 00:31:52.759
I was gonna say, it sounds yeah, port yeah, in

551
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:56.319
that same vein, just like, don't eat anything that could

552
00:31:56.319 --> 00:32:00.839
be exciting. Yes, literally the word I was looking for exciting.

553
00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:04.480
I mean I would argue appetizing.

554
00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:07.799
Right, it might caust you to masturbate after all, right.

555
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:10.240
Yeah, I mean you can't have too much excitement. You

556
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:11.880
might start touching yourself.

557
00:32:13.960 --> 00:32:16.279
I'm like, that's my favorite part about corn flakes is

558
00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:20.880
that it was made to keep people from touching themselves.

559
00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:30.279
Yeah, oh is this one a bad touch? Is that elbow? Okay?

560
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:33.240
I don't know. Some people are into that. You're too saucy.

561
00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:35.839
We're gonna get kicked off the radio with the elbow

562
00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:42.599
touching the radio. Yeah, this is the way. We are

563
00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:45.480
not swearing on this podcast because we are on the radio.

564
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:48.160
Oh, I wish you'd told me that earlier.

565
00:32:48.880 --> 00:32:51.839
You haven't said anything as far as I remember. Well,

566
00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:55.480
that's a nice job. Nice job's being temperateure. You must

567
00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:56.400
be a vegetarian.

568
00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:01.000
How dare you.

569
00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:04.480
Now? We don't have much to tell us the early

570
00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:08.240
story of Eliza's relationship with Charles Henry. It's possible that

571
00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:10.960
sparks flew upon their initial meeting and their fondness for

572
00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:14.319
each other grew through letters. But within a few weeks

573
00:33:14.359 --> 00:33:20.000
of him arriving in Olympia, the conjugal alliance and matrimonial

574
00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:23.920
co partnership of doctor C. Hdwolf and Eliza A. Hurd

575
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:26.000
was announced in the Washington Standard.

576
00:33:26.319 --> 00:33:28.240
Jesus Christ, What did they have to do? Take out

577
00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:30.559
a half page ad just for the title?

578
00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:35.119
Practically this started a chain of events that shocked and

579
00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:37.759
scandalized the Olympia community.

580
00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:38.920
Excellent.

581
00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:43.559
The couple were joined in their non traditional ceremony on Tuesday,

582
00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:48.640
May thirteenth. The announcement read, we the Undersigned hereby announced

583
00:33:48.640 --> 00:33:51.759
to the world that we have contracted a conjugal alliance

584
00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:55.319
and entered into a matrimonial co partnership, believing in the

585
00:33:55.400 --> 00:33:58.759
divine right of souls to dictate their own forms, and

586
00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:02.079
the inspiration of Mother Nature and Father God as being

587
00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:05.920
above custom. That was all in caps. That's why I

588
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:10.920
said that way. And priestly ceremony, however long dignified by

589
00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:15.159
legal enactment and Christian dictation, those are all capitals.

590
00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:16.039
My goodness.

591
00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:19.639
Honestly, I don't know what any of that meant, but

592
00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:21.440
but you know what sounds good.

593
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:22.639
It's not important.

594
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:27.079
What is important is that it's not going on right now,

595
00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:29.440
because that is probably a could I would join.

596
00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:36.440
Right the following Saturday evening, Eliza was get this seeing

597
00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:40.000
riding a horse through town. Get ready to clutch your

598
00:34:40.039 --> 00:34:47.679
pearls again. Bloomers, bloomers, I can't even so scandal.

599
00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:50.679
Clearly not sights at all, No as.

600
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:55.159
No skirt, bloomers pants, pants on a woman?

601
00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:58.599
Was that? Do you know? Was that illegal at that point?

602
00:34:58.639 --> 00:35:02.119
Because I mean, yeah, it was illegal to dress. It

603
00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:05.119
was illegal to cross stressed in many places.

604
00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:05.800
Wow.

605
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:08.880
So now that was not only to keep women from

606
00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:12.159
dressing in men's clothing, but it was also to keep

607
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:18.440
down the gay community. Well sure and yeah. Now, then

608
00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:22.360
on Monday morning, so this was Saturday evening that Eliza

609
00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:24.760
was seen riding a horse. They got married on Tuesday,

610
00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:27.559
and then Saturday she was riding a horse and Beato merse.

611
00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:31.239
And then on Monday morning the couple prepared to board

612
00:35:31.239 --> 00:35:36.679
a steamboat to Victoria and they were arrested. The couple

613
00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:39.360
appeared in front of Justice Bigelow on a charge of

614
00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:43.159
having attempted to unite I'm I'm.

615
00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:45.199
Sorry, you said, Justice Bigelow.

616
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:53.400
Bigelow like the keea like males. Oh sure, let's call

617
00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:56.480
him that. The couple appeared in front of Justice Jigglow

618
00:35:57.039 --> 00:35:59.840
on a charge I'm not a very good historian though,

619
00:35:59.880 --> 00:36:02.519
just does Bigelow, on a charge of having attempted to

620
00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:08.760
unite parties in the bond of matrimony without the authority

621
00:36:08.920 --> 00:36:13.480
of law. I didn't know that was a thing. So

622
00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:17.000
they pleaded not guilty. And in his own defense, Charles

623
00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:20.440
Henry claimed to be, along with a minister of the

624
00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:24.239
Gospel and a judge, a justice of the peace, and

625
00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:27.679
therefore qualified to marry himself everything.

626
00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:31.360
Okay, man, it must be nice to just be a

627
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:33.599
white man in eighteen hundreds, who can.

628
00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:35.880
Just make up whatever stuff you want.

629
00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:39.760
Honestly, it reminds me of that scene in the office

630
00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:40.480
where he's like.

631
00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:45.480
I declare by crops, right.

632
00:36:46.039 --> 00:36:48.960
Like, oh, so you think you just say it and

633
00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:51.800
then it becomes the truth.

634
00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:56.000
Right, Okay. So he then went on to breate the court,

635
00:36:56.199 --> 00:37:02.719
calling them sneaking, lying, pedaling, begging, lyrical sons of ahab oh,

636
00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:09.559
sickburn dude yeah, and drunken justices besotted judges. But their

637
00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:12.400
charges were sustained and the couple was released on bond

638
00:37:12.519 --> 00:37:13.719
by Eliza's father.

639
00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:16.159
Oh okay, Daddy's got you.

640
00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:21.519
Yep, Daddy's got you. The next day, Charles was arrested

641
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:23.639
again on Charles of fornication.

642
00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:25.519
Oh boy.

643
00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:29.360
Again he berated the court, stating that he would never, never,

644
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:32.360
never be married by the law, that he would bow

645
00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:38.039
to no fawning, hypocritical, thieving priest, no drunken mercenary justice,

646
00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:41.199
nor corrupt judge for the senseless words I pronounced you,

647
00:37:41.280 --> 00:37:47.000
man and wife. My goodness, The judge had had enough

648
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:49.880
and was too clever to be swayed by the pompous,

649
00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:52.840
in vain man in front of him, before he rendered

650
00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:56.480
his decision, Justice McGill said that he would like to

651
00:37:56.519 --> 00:37:59.960
ask the defendants a question that would influence his final decision.

652
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:03.159
He turned to Charles Henry and asked, do you consent

653
00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:05.679
to take this woman as your wedded wife, to which

654
00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:08.960
Charles replied I do. The judge then turned to Eliza.

655
00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:11.679
Do you consent to take this man as your lawful husband?

656
00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:15.480
She replied yes. Then the judge replied icily, by the

657
00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:18.519
power invested to me and in the presence of these witnesses,

658
00:38:18.559 --> 00:38:20.000
I pronounce you man and wife.

659
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:20.880
You just got married.

660
00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:26.440
The cheeky judge had tricked the couple into getting married legally,

661
00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:30.400
thus ending the case, much to Charles Henry's rage.

662
00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:33.079
Oh my god.

663
00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:38.679
But what of Eliza's boldness and daring to traps about

664
00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:41.840
town and wearing only bloomers, Well not only bloomers. She

665
00:38:41.920 --> 00:38:46.719
was fully dressed, but no skirt over her bloomers. The

666
00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:50.360
Washington Standard posted an editorial chiding her for her boldness.

667
00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:53.280
The good people of our town were not a little

668
00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:57.039
shocked on Saturday evening last to witness a woman dressed

669
00:38:57.679 --> 00:39:03.599
in men's apparel. Further in the exhibition referred to, she

670
00:39:03.719 --> 00:39:07.039
showed that she was but a weak, silly woman. Determination

671
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:14.760
is sometimes mistaken for strong mindedness. Okay, rude, Yeah. However,

672
00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:18.639
Eliza's chosen apparel of pants was considered a protest, inspired

673
00:39:18.760 --> 00:39:23.079
by women like Amelia Bloomer, an early women's rights advocate.

674
00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:26.719
She also advocated for dress reform, stating, let men be

675
00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:29.400
compelled to wear our dress for a while, and we

676
00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:32.480
should soon hear them advocating for a change.

677
00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:37.079
Oh my god, a woman after my own heart. Honestly so.

678
00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:40.480
Eliza and her new husband moved to Victoria established a

679
00:39:40.519 --> 00:39:44.800
bathhouse and water cure clinic. The couple continued to make

680
00:39:44.840 --> 00:39:48.440
waves and bring criticism down on their heads. In June

681
00:39:48.480 --> 00:39:51.639
of eighteen sixty three, the comedian John Wood passed away

682
00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:55.159
under the care of the erstwhile doctor, apparently from an

683
00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:59.880
overdose of lobelia, a poisonous plant that was sometimes used

684
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:04.599
nineteenth century cures, but had been pretty much discontinued in

685
00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:06.320
the medical establishment at this point.

686
00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:07.679
And I think we know why.

687
00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:12.679
Yeah. De Wolf had many professional claims without the bonafides

688
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:15.119
to back them up. He was unable to provide a

689
00:40:15.159 --> 00:40:18.519
diploma for the jury, and other physicians testify that his

690
00:40:18.599 --> 00:40:22.440
treatment was unusual and improper. De wolf was true to form,

691
00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:26.199
sarcastic and belligerent. During his trial, he claimed that mister

692
00:40:26.239 --> 00:40:29.679
Wood was responsible for his own death as he was

693
00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:33.039
not honest with how much alcohol he regularly consumed, so

694
00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:34.280
it was his fault.

695
00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:39.719
Wow, I'm feeling very attacked right now. I'm gonna go

696
00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:42.920
ahead and just take a little sippy sip, you know,

697
00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:44.360
helps some medicine go down.

698
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:47.599
I need a little liquid courage. So at this point

699
00:40:47.639 --> 00:40:49.719
it seemed prudent for the couple to get out of Dodge.

700
00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:52.480
They relocated to the Bay Area. In eighteen sixty five.

701
00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:56.440
Doctor de Wolfe was still lecturing now along with phrenology,

702
00:40:56.679 --> 00:41:00.760
dress reform, marriage and divorce, and his wife and daughter,

703
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:04.760
Ella began to assist him in these lectures. Eliza became

704
00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:07.559
more and more involved in the growing woman's suffrage movement.

705
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:12.760
In eighteen sixty three, San Francisco outlawed cross dressing. Eliza

706
00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:16.800
ramped up her dress reform lectures, and then in eighteen

707
00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:21.599
sixty six she began publicly demonstrating while wearing bloomers. She

708
00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:25.320
strolled down the streets of San Francisco, boldly wearing what

709
00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:28.880
was considered men's attire and was later arrested. These public

710
00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:33.559
demonstrations were soon local gossip and regional newspapers as far

711
00:41:33.599 --> 00:41:37.440
away as Olympia were reporting on the scandal. Eliza was

712
00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:40.000
not deterred. Love this woman, I know, good for her.

713
00:41:40.519 --> 00:41:44.760
Dress reform was an integral part of nineteenth century women's suffrages.

714
00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:48.719
The bloomer movement was sparked by the October eighteen forty

715
00:41:48.800 --> 00:41:52.079
nine issue of the Water Cure Journal, which is interesting

716
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:54.679
because her and her husband had a water cure clinic. Yeah,

717
00:41:54.760 --> 00:41:57.199
so they must have gotten that journal, urging women to

718
00:41:57.239 --> 00:42:01.039
develop a healthier style of dress that represented unrestricted movement.

719
00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:06.760
So styles yeah. Styles at the time included heavy floorlink skirts,

720
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:10.480
multiple layers of stiffed and starched petticoats that would have

721
00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:15.639
either horsehair or straw woven into the bottom, and of course,

722
00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:17.039
whale's bone corsets.

723
00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:18.320
Good god.

724
00:42:18.719 --> 00:42:21.960
By the early eighteen fifties, women began sporting versions of

725
00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:25.679
the Turkish dress throughout the country, a shorter skirt worn

726
00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:30.119
over bloomers. This clear challenge to the established gender roles

727
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:35.719
and power structures threatened men everywhere. Oh Oh my gosh,

728
00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:40.480
uppity women her ankles, We could see her legs kind

729
00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:44.639
of sort of all the humanity. Bloomers became a symbol

730
00:42:44.719 --> 00:42:47.880
of women's rights. Even Susan B. Anthony adopted the new

731
00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:51.519
form of dress, calling it the Freedom Dress. Eliza continued

732
00:42:51.519 --> 00:42:53.960
to wear her bloomers and became more and more involved

733
00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:56.679
with a women's suffrage movement. She was inspired by women

734
00:42:56.800 --> 00:43:00.000
like Susan B. Anthony and Victoria Woodhull, who was also

735
00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:03.760
the first woman to run for president, and I think

736
00:43:03.760 --> 00:43:05.639
we're going to have to do a little bonus episode

737
00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:09.079
on her. So she ran for president well before women

738
00:43:09.400 --> 00:43:11.400
even had the right to vote. She was arrested for

739
00:43:11.480 --> 00:43:17.280
voting for herself too. The d Wolfs moved to San Diego,

740
00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:21.079
where Eliza beegame an officer for the San Diego Suffrage Society.

741
00:43:21.360 --> 00:43:24.159
Charles Henry passed from a stroke in eighteen sixty nine,

742
00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:27.320
but Eliza continued her work. In eighteen seventy two, she

743
00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:31.679
addressed the California judicial community with a party of delegates

744
00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:35.159
from the California Suffrage Society. She moved back to Santa

745
00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:37.519
Cruz in the eighteen seventies to be closer to her family,

746
00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:40.920
and operated a bookstore there in the eighteen seventies and

747
00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:45.760
eighties and still worked in the women's suffrage movement. Unfortunately,

748
00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:48.679
she passed away in nineteen oh eight, three years before

749
00:43:48.719 --> 00:43:52.039
women achieved the right to vote in California. The road

750
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:54.320
to suffrage in the Pacific Northwest was a long and

751
00:43:54.440 --> 00:43:57.679
arduous journey. Arthur Dinny attempted to give white women the

752
00:43:57.760 --> 00:44:01.320
vote in eighteen fifty four, but failed. Susan B. Anthony

753
00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:04.360
toured the region in eighteen seventy one, but was met

754
00:44:04.400 --> 00:44:06.440
with critics who felt that giving the vote to women

755
00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:10.559
would undermine their domestic supremacy and moral values.

756
00:44:11.159 --> 00:44:11.320
Uh.

757
00:44:12.679 --> 00:44:15.639
Yeah, you're going to be too busy voting to clean

758
00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:16.119
the house.

759
00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:16.639
Yeah.

760
00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:19.719
Honestly, I'm just so sad that all I have is

761
00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:21.760
the two middle fingers. You know.

762
00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:26.400
I thought only I could flip you off of my

763
00:44:26.519 --> 00:44:31.320
toe to I train. Yeah exactly. But despite these challenges,

764
00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:34.360
Washington became the third territory in the United States to

765
00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:38.480
approve women's suffrage in eighteen eighty three. For a few

766
00:44:38.519 --> 00:44:41.679
glorious years, women were able to have their voices heard

767
00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:47.039
through their ballots. Unfortunately, the powerful saloon lobby pressured the

768
00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:51.239
courts to find the suffrage law unconstitutional, and they lost

769
00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:54.239
it in eighteen eighty seven, the women went back to work,

770
00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:57.559
and the state Constitution was amended to guarantee women's suffrage

771
00:44:57.599 --> 00:45:00.800
in nineteen ten. The Nineteenth Amendment was passed in the

772
00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:03.800
United States in nineteen twenty, a step on the path

773
00:45:03.800 --> 00:45:08.760
towards equal rights and full participation in all aspects of life. Now,

774
00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:11.679
I love the story of Eliza Ann Woodard de Wolf

775
00:45:11.800 --> 00:45:13.440
because it gives us a peek into the life of

776
00:45:13.480 --> 00:45:17.199
an unconventional and extraordinary woman. She was fiercely individual to

777
00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:19.480
the end of her life. She paints a picture of

778
00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:22.400
what early women's suffrage look like in the Pacific Northwest,

779
00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:26.440
and her fearlessness and unapologetic way she lived her life

780
00:45:26.559 --> 00:45:30.000
should be an inspiration to all women to Despite her

781
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:33.480
maybe poor taste, yeah.

782
00:45:33.320 --> 00:45:35.920
I mean, hey, listen, a lot of great women that

783
00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:41.519
have horrific taste in men, and yeah, other things.

784
00:45:41.519 --> 00:45:44.760
But he also was a champion of women's rights and

785
00:45:45.079 --> 00:45:48.199
dress reform and women's suffrage, So he wasn't all bad.

786
00:45:48.440 --> 00:45:52.519
And that's your right to choose terrible, terrible men.

787
00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:54.639
And she believed in free love that it was her

788
00:45:54.719 --> 00:45:56.599
right to choose this terrible man.

789
00:45:57.239 --> 00:46:00.360
I mean, do you boo, yep?

790
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:03.800
I hope we can celebrate more Pacific Northwest women like

791
00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:06.960
her in the future. And I want to thank Bethany K. Matthews,

792
00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:11.400
whose two zigons on Eliza Ann Woodard heard were basically

793
00:46:11.440 --> 00:46:14.079
all of my resources for this episode, because there's nothing

794
00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:16.920
else out there about her. So thank you, Bethany, and

795
00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:19.519
thank you to my wonderful guest Caitlin for joining me

796
00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:21.360
on this ride. I appreciate you being here.

797
00:46:21.519 --> 00:46:24.079
Oh my goodness, this was such a blast. No, thank

798
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:24.920
you for having me.

799
00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:28.320
You're an excellent guest, and I really do hope that

800
00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:30.639
I can have you back again because this was really fun.

801
00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:32.280
You're going to have to be my pitch hitter for

802
00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:32.760
the future.

803
00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:35.119
Yeah, I mean, if you're going to talk about the

804
00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:38.079
first lady who ran for president and then got arrested.

805
00:46:38.679 --> 00:46:41.639
If I don't get a call, I'm going to be upset.

806
00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:46.239
Well. Thank you again, and listeners, remember you can go

807
00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:50.840
to PMW Haunts and Homicides dot com to find links

808
00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:54.800
to their show, and again, you can always find those

809
00:46:54.840 --> 00:46:57.840
links and links to all the other Umbrella podcasts collective

810
00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:02.400
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811
00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:06.119
sure to go listen to PMW Haunts and Homicides and

812
00:47:06.400 --> 00:47:08.400
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813
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Podcasts and you can give them a five star review

814
00:47:10.599 --> 00:47:13.840
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815
00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:17.079
a deep light. So everyone, if you want to hear

816
00:47:17.119 --> 00:47:20.039
more of Caitlin, if you listen to their podcast and

817
00:47:20.079 --> 00:47:21.719
then also tell me if you want to hear more

818
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:23.440
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819
00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:25.920
Yeah, and please tell her that you do.

820
00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:28.800
Thank you so much and we will see you next time.

821
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See you down