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Brace yourselves for an enthralling journey into the uncharted territories of the UFO phenomenon, steered from the National UFO Reporting Center (NUFORC) in Harrington, Washington. An enormous amount of data has been collected, stretching back to the center's founding days with Bob Gribble in 1974, all the way to the present-day stewardship of Peter Davenport and Christian Stepien. prepare to shudder as we recount the tale of Ralph H Benson, a Cold War nuclear missile silo owner and his fatal encounter with a taxman.
Then we switch gears and plunge into the vortex of theories linking a chilling pattern of cattle mutilations in Central Oregon to extraterrestrial activities. But could there be more than meets the eye to these gruesome cattle deaths? We think these events give of some serious Jack The Ripper vibes!
As we conclude, we reflect on the emotional toll on the unsuspecting victims at the heart of these occurrences - the local farmers. Get ready for this rollercoaster ride into the uncanny, the eerie, and the outright fascinating world of UFOs and all that comes with it!
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Support the showI do think it's possible, although very slight, that a person could be doing this A very, very, very sick person, Right but they would have to know again how to cover up all their tracks and all of the evidence. It kind of reminds me of Jack the Ripper, a little bit Shut the fuck up.
Speaker 2:I was just going to say this has a real Ripper vibe to it, yeah.
Speaker 1:Like an in and out, very little evidence. Anyone was there and it's in the dark.
Speaker 2:And somehow still has this surgical precision. Yeah, Hi.
Speaker 1:Caitlin, Hi, Cassie, Hi creepy people. Hello, this is PNW Haunted Homicides where we chat about true crime, the paranormal and anything spooky in the Pacific Northwest.
Speaker 2:We do a tarot reading at the end of every episode for deeper insight into the topic. So if you're into that, stick around.
Speaker 1:So, caitlin, I wrote this first line and I kind of realized. Maybe I said it the exact same way back in episode nine and 10 when we talked about UFOs. Well, but I'm going to read it again anyway. Do it. So. When you think about UFOs, I'm sure most people think about Area 51 in Nevada, roswell in New Mexico, sedona, arizona, but the majority of encounters are being reported to the National UFO Reporting Center, also known as New Fork. New Fork, located in the small town of Harrington, washington, what it's about four hours east of Seattle. The population, as of 2021, is a whopping 444. What, okay? Well, that seems, I don't know put a pin in that 444 is a good number, I think Not a lot of people for a town, though it's not. We actually linked to New Fork back in episodes nine and 10. Oh yeah, Because I wanted people to know where they needed to report their UFO sightings other than emailing us.
Speaker 2:That makes sense. That was over 100 episodes ago.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, that's crazy, I know.
Speaker 2:I can't be expected to remember that. Wow, it's a good thing you're sharing this again.
Speaker 1:So we haven't talked about UFOs and aliens in a long time, so I figured we'd bring it back around, since we just were at UFO Fest in McBenville we were Feels like just yesterday.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it does.
Speaker 1:I feel like a lot has happened since then, but also I feel like I was just there and I'm tired, mm-hmm. Now, caitlin, if you were to guess how many people it would take to run a center where, as of 2022, approximately 180,000 reports have been filed in their 49 years of operation. I feel like it'd be a few, you'd think, well, you were probably wrong, because two men run this place. What it actually started with only one guy back in 1974. His name was Bob Gribble. It's G-R-I-B-B-L-E Gribble. Yeah, gribble. Bob Gribble was a Seattle firefighter who had a curiosity with ufology. Is it ufology or UFO-logy?
Speaker 2:I was like is that a serious question?
Speaker 1:Ufology right? Ufology, I mean right? I think so. Bob Gribble was a Seattle firefighter who had a curiosity with ufology that he just could not ignore. I mean, under Bob's reign, Newfork gained credibility. Even the police, military and pilots knew the phone number. What, wait, what, what? Well, they had his number, so they knew where to report things which they did I mean?
Speaker 2:that's smart. There are a lot of times the ones that are reporting some of the unknown suspicious Right, especially the pilots.
Speaker 1:Yeah, back then it was mostly recorded phone calls and snail mail.
Speaker 2:Does anyone even know where to buy stamps anymore? Like I think, the post office also Costco. No, I know that, but I'm thinking of our younger audience. What's a stamp? What's a stamp?
Speaker 1:We send snail mail out to people if you sign up for the Patreon, just throwing that out there. It's true, we know how, because we're old we get our stamps from Costco at a discount. But they were able to gather a huge amount of data just from the phone calls in the mail. I bet In 1974, the current center director, now 75-year-old, peter Davenport, took on the massive responsibility Joined by CTO, that is, chief Technology Officer. Okay, I'm glad you explained. Yeah, I didn't know what it was either. Okay, I Googled it Christian Stepien in 1995. I like the Davenport guy? Yeah, I do too. Turns out he's a pretty cool dude. Of course he is. He runs a freaking UFO reporting center. How could he not be?
Speaker 2:I mean yes, also that, but his last name is Davenport Davenport.
Speaker 1:Come on, peter was very much connected to his life's work, having had encounters of his very own with the unexplained throughout his life, beginning in childhood. Oh boy, his dedication to the collection of extraterrestrial reports are hopefully the answer to quote probably the most important scientific question ever to confront mankind. End quote.
Speaker 2:I mean, who's going to argue with that Right? Not me.
Speaker 1:Not I. The only one we're going to find out is Bile the data right yeah no-transcript.
Speaker 2:I don't know how else do science.
Speaker 1:Actually, someone sent me a video. The title is Las Vegas Family Claims to See Aliens after several report something falling from the sky, and the police took it seriously because they also saw something falling from the sky. Oh shit. So we'll link the YouTube video. But so the people who were calling 911 to report this said that they saw beings in their backyard about eight feet tall.
Speaker 2:No, thank you. Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 1:That's so. We'll link it for everyone and I'll send it to Caitlin later. Great, so she can be terrified.
Speaker 2:Eight feet tall, that's what they said that's like twice as tall as me. That's true. I mean not quite, but I'm pretty close. You're so short, I really am.
Speaker 1:Okay, is anyone curious how Peter Davenport ended up in Harrington Washington? He didn't grow up there, no, he did not. Okay, well, you should be curious because this thread was worth the pull and led to a couple more cool tidbits that I had to include, so bear with the tangents here. So apparently one thing on Peter's bucket list was owning a Cold War nuclear missile silo. Uh, okay, isn't that on everyone's bucket list?
Speaker 2:I don't think so Maybe.
Speaker 1:Well, he made his dang old dream come true for $100,000 in 2006. Oh, is that all? That's it? Great, I feel like that's pretty cheap for a missile silo. I probably, I don't know, maybe no one wants them. I don't know.
Speaker 2:You guys, I don't know Someone get back to us. Let us know what's going right For missile silos.
Speaker 1:Yeah, about an hour northeast of Harrington is the Fairchild Air Force Base near Spokane, washington, oh, spokane.
Speaker 2:Spokane. Just so everyone knows it is Spokane.
Speaker 1:Spokane. I know it's very confusing with the English language being what it is.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But it's Spokane.
Speaker 2:I mean lots of people who speak English but happen to live on the East Coast.
Speaker 1:Spokane. Just remember that, yes, we can. The base was a nuclear target during the Cold War and Peter's new purchase was one of the nine missile silos in the area that feels like kind of a lot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was a lot, that's quite a few.
Speaker 1:I thought it was interesting too that we just learned from our interview with James about Hanford, where they were producing plutonium for missiles. That is about 145 miles southwest of Spokane, near Richland.
Speaker 2:Why is Washington so much spookier, all of a sudden?
Speaker 1:I don't know the Cold War will do that. Fun fact the room where the missile was kept is called the coffin.
Speaker 2:Okay, I mean accurate.
Speaker 1:I think so. Yeah, okay, I'm going to swerve out of my lane here a little bit. I hope nobody named Caitlin Mines. Okay, okay, prepare yourself. Oh God, cassie does true crime. I can never be prepared. A man named Ralph H Benson owned the old silo before Peter. He not only owned it, actually he lived in it. Okay, in 2002, a taxman came a knock in. His name was Roger Erdman and he was there to investigate Benson's business records. I like to write tongue tires for myself. Is that what they're called tongue tires? I mean tongue twisters, tongue twisters. Yeah, I don't know why I do this to myself, but here we are.
Speaker 2:That was a tough one, but the writing was on the wall. I feel like this is true crime all over, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, ralphie didn't appreciate this man's showing up to do his job. How dare he, I mean? So his very unreasonable reaction was to shoot poor Roger in the head. Oh, okay, well, so he very clearly was doing illegal things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we probably need to talk about, you know, managing our emotions, yeah, or?
Speaker 1:maybe just like don't do illegal things, so tax people show up to bust you.
Speaker 2:I mean, you could start there.
Speaker 1:You know, poor guy, he was literally just doing his job, just coming, you know, for some auditing and he just nobody likes to be audited. Yeah, no one does. But you know, don't shoot people over at cheese.
Speaker 2:Yeah, some people react a little strongly, look crazy.
Speaker 1:Look crazy. Unfortunately, he did not just stop at shooting Roger. He did horrible things to his body that no one is prepared to hear me talk about, but they found many parts in a town 40 miles away. Oh no, yeah, the 12th was convicted of first degree murder, but he died behind bars in 2004.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, I mean, seems like he was where he needed to be. Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1:I wonder if prison was more comfortable than the missile silo.
Speaker 2:You know, kind of a coin toss.
Speaker 1:Hard to say Okay. So circling back to aliens, ufos, uaps, whatever you want to say, there's a cool map of UFO sightings in the US and it's kind of cool to see all of the hotspots, so I'll link it for you guys. Okay. So now I'm totally switching gears here to talk about another unexplained occurrence that is linked to aliens. Little trigger warning it does involve animals. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2:And I was going to scold you because, listen, you should be saying allegedly, you know, allegedly, it involves aliens.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, you're right, I did. You are right. I did a naughty thing just now and I attributed crimes to aliens, and that is not right. I should not have done that Innocent. Thank you Until proven guilty. I don't want any aliens mad at me for accusing them of crime.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I feel like they may have a different type of justice slash, retaliation.
Speaker 1:I mean I did say it was linked to aliens. I didn't say for sure the aliens did it, but we'll get into it.
Speaker 2:Listen, I'm just trying to cover my slash, your S, oh, thank you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thank you. Thank you, cover, my S baby. I did touch on this briefly in episodes nine and 10 and I said we would talk about it at another time. Well, we have arrived to that other time creepy people, and we're going to be talking about cattle mutilation. No, yay, oh, I mean yay, that was sarcasm. Oh, okay, america is no stranger to this phenomena. There have been thousands of reports since the 70s throughout the US. There have even been reports from Canada, london and as early as 1904 in Australia. In Australia, though, their issues were with sheep, but the descriptions of how they were found are very, very similar to the cattle mutilation reports. All right, in the central Oregon counties of Crook, harney and Wheeler, several recent reports in the last five years have brought this strange occurrence back into the media. No, thank you, please. Too bad, they did not name specific cities, but kind of. The main cities in these counties are Prime ville, burns and Fossil, so you kind of get a sense of the area, and that's about three hours southeast of Portland.
Speaker 2:Probably not far enough for me. Definitely not far enough.
Speaker 1:Not for cattle mutilation. I don't want that anywhere in my state. The most recent seven cases have been in Crook County in 2021. As far as I know from the articles I found, I didn't find anything more recent than that, but that's far too recent. That's I don't like it. Now we're going to talk about what they mean when they say these cattle were mutilated. I know, but we have to. It's important. Others report finding their cattle with no obvious signs of how they died. They have no blood in or around their bodies. They appear to have clean incisions made to remove eyes or tongues or sex organs. Yeah, why. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Why does?
Speaker 1:anyone want those. That's what everyone wants to know. So most of the cattle that have been found in this horrific manner are bulls. There is one instance where a cow was found with three udders and the left cheek removed, but the eyes were still left in. It's just, it's bizarre. No one knows what to make of it. And what makes this even more curious is those are normally the first things to get eaten by birds and bugs and things. So the fact that those were still intact and other pieces were missing, it's just a little odd.
Speaker 2:Almost like it was intentional, weird.
Speaker 1:I hate it. One thing I noticed too while reading through all of these articles is a lot of the reports said specifically the left cheek was removed.
Speaker 2:Okay, is that? Well, you're probably going to tell me, but is that significant?
Speaker 1:for some reason, I don't know, yeah, I don't know, I thought it was really weird that only the left cheek was removed, like what's wrong with the right cheek, maybe they photograph better on.
Speaker 4:Ew.
Speaker 2:You know what that's?
Speaker 1:Stop thinking about it, okay.
Speaker 2:As I'm going to keep talking about it Great.
Speaker 1:Should be easy. That brings me to my next point. There were never any tracks found around these dead cattle, human, animal or vehicle. No bullets, no bullet holes, no bite marks or any other evidence of how the animals passed away on or around the body. It's very strange, because you would expect to see at least some little critter tracks. You know, having a little snack or it's like a scavenger's job to find that shit. You know, like they're really good at that job.
Speaker 2:It's kind of their thing, their only job. Yeah, you had one job.
Speaker 1:One job Eat the fucking cattle. They did find one with two patches of hair missing, one patch from the stomach and one from the chest area, with a puncture mark in the middle. What One was found? With a cut down its spine. Oh, like things that would not happen naturally, or by any animal or any bug that they know of. I'm not an expert in this area, but experts have looked at it and tried to figure it out. Mm-hmm. I literally, am saying that right now. Police and veterinarians have investigated the animals and they're stumped. Even they can't find any evidence to point towards a cause of death. Journalist and paranormal investigator Linda Moulton-Howe is convinced these strange deaths are caused by extraterrestrials. Her research began in 1979, and she claims that many of these cattle mutilation reports correlate with the reports of seeing unexplained lights in the sky. Okay, so she dug, she did her research.
Speaker 2:Are they laser lights? I don't know. And that explains like the Maybe.
Speaker 1:Oh God I didn't think about that. That's a theory. Caitlin was talking about the laser beams, just slicing, slicing, yeah, she made a ch and a and sliced with her hand, but that doesn't translate well for audio.
Speaker 2:Yeah, thank you, cassie.
Speaker 1:You're welcome.
Speaker 2:You are my this is an audio medium translator, I'm going to mansplain it to you. Adhd knows no format.
Speaker 1:Now I didn't see any accounts of any lights in the sky from the farmers or the police that investigated these specific Oregon cases. Why not, I don't know.
Speaker 2:What are?
Speaker 1:they covering up. Maybe they just didn't see them. That's what I'm going to go with.
Speaker 2:They're walking around like I don't see nothing, because I got my hands over my eyeballs.
Speaker 1:I think they're pretty small towns over there too, so maybe there's just not enough people to see. I don't know. Maybe. I'm not saying there was no lights, just no one saw them, or they're not saying anything, uh-huh, uh-huh. So I thought all of her investigations were pretty interesting, and she has a book called An Alien Harvest, and she was also on Ancient Aliens, so that tells you a lot, right there?
Speaker 2:I think so yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to say anything else. This is definitely something that I think is well known in the alien believer community. Remember I talked about my earrings that was a UFO abducting a cow Twas, yes, and that image is all over the place, so it's a pretty well-known thing alien cows. Some people theorize that they're abducting them, experimenting on them and putting them back, kind of like what they theorize happens with humans, but I bet the cows are more interesting.
Speaker 2:They might be.
Speaker 1:I'm also fascinated by the fact that these cattle's sex organs were removed. I didn't go into full detail with that but because it's not great, but it makes me think of all of the people that say they've been probed. I'm trying not to make a joke about it because it's kind of like a icky thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's real ick, it's yuck, it's ick.
Speaker 1:I don't care for that People argue that the cows can die of natural causes in the way the body decomposes and all of the buggy things that happen that's a really scientific term Can cause illusion of bloodlessness and mutilation. But on the other side of that argument, these farmers making the reports know their farm, they know their animals and what is normal and what isn't. I bet they have seen many cows pass away and what that looks like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I'm pretty sure all of them died with all of their blood Right. Somebody get Gil Grissom on the phone.
Speaker 1:There is a way they explained it where the cattle could look like they don't have any blood. I didn't go into it because it's a lot that you guys can read the article about it if you would like to know more.
Speaker 2:So when they say that they have no blood, it's like an appearance of no blood but it's not necessarily that they've like actually opened up the animal to like verify.
Speaker 1:I would assume they opened up the animal Right like why. Because they're reporting bloodlessness, so I'm going to go with. It is bloodlessness and not the illusion, right? So I just kind of want to get people both sides.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I mean, I think that's fair, Honestly, if they had blood still in their bodies and their bodies were then open to the outside, how is there no blood like all over?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't remember quite how they described why that happens but, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but that's so bizarre, it is very weird. Whole case scientists.
Speaker 1:They did say also too, that the animals and bugs and things they eat like the soft tissue and then it can kind of stretch and appear to be like a precise cut. But I feel like it wouldn't look like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I just feel like they would know the difference the farmers and the veterinarians Probably probably, and if that was the case, we have all different types of species that are being like their carcass, their corpse is being exposed to very similar conditions. So why are we only seeing that? I've never heard of a human body or any other type?
Speaker 1:of species. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Maybe I know nothing.
Speaker 1:And I don't think the timeline is like these cows were in the field for like a week before they were found, Like they were counting them and knew you know, they knew one was missing and yeah, so I don't know. Conspiracy these mutilations have also been linked to satanic worship.
Speaker 2:Oh, you mean the satanic panic? That was mostly panic.
Speaker 1:It's still happening apparently, which blows my mind, but that's total bullshit, so I personally don't even want to entertain it or go down that road.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, it's either bored, it's silly High school students, or but they would leave traces behind.
Speaker 1:If this was satanic worship, you would know Like there would be a trace left behind.
Speaker 2:I would think Well, in satanists don't do shit like this. Also, can we just Maybe? Here's the blanket thing- that everybody just needs to understand. Is that like not?
Speaker 1:us. They don't sacrifice animals, like get over it, it's not a thing, it didn't happen, you know what religion does?
Speaker 2:Almost every other one at some point in history. I believe it Pretty much.
Speaker 1:I don't know what is. I do think it's possible, although very slight, that a person could be doing this A very, very, very sick person, Right. But they would have to know again how to cover up all their tracks and all of the evidence. So it kind of reminds me of Jack the Ripper, a little bit Shut the fuck up.
Speaker 2:I was just going to say this has a real Ripper vibe to it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like an in and out, very little evidence. Anyone was there and it's surgical and it's in the dark and somehow still has this surgical precision. Yeah, do you think it's Jack the Ripper's ghost?
Speaker 2:I mean maybe. I mean it's just as viable.
Speaker 1:A theory as any other. As the satanic one.
Speaker 2:Honestly, I would buy into a Jack the Ripper as a ghost over. You know satanic rituals Right.
Speaker 1:I agree. I mean, the only good thing that comes out of that is, I guess it's cows instead of humans, which is I mean.
Speaker 2:Bro, do you want PETA all up in your ass? No, nobody does Because that is how you get PETA all up in your ass. Watch out, ghost.
Speaker 1:Speaking of probing, the only thing we do know for certain is that it is affecting locals in a very real way. The farmers are losing money, especially when they lose a bull, which I guess those are worth quite a bit. Yeah, and it's definitely disturbing that no one can figure out the cause. How do you fix it if you don't even know what the heck is happening?
Speaker 2:Yeah, traumatizing. And then the financial aspect of it. Yeah, that's hard. I mean, cattle ranching is already a really, really tough thing, I mean financially. To come out ahead in that endeavor is a tough one.
Speaker 1:So it's fucked up. So hopefully humans aren't doing this, but also like what? Oh my God, what is? I also don't want it to be like an alien or a cryptid or something.
Speaker 2:No, thank you.
Speaker 1:Well, do you guys know what it is? Should we see if the tarot knows what it is? Even though we don't solve things with tarot, we've made that clear.
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Speaker 1:And don't worry, we did get more wine, well, of course. So I couldn't wear my earrings for the video, but we have them beautifully displayed for you, because you know headphones and all Alien shirt. Alien man Foot says we out here. It's so cute. That was my anniversary gift from Caitlin, it was. He came with us to UofL Fest. Okay, so we're doing tarot for these awful, terrible pork cows Hats, not great but also the UFO Center, so maybe it'll be something good. I feel like I'm more focused on the cows, though it's a mystery man, Okay, oh. Okay. We got the Nine of Dice, which I think is pentacles, but we got it in the reverse and it is a blob of shenanigans, an icky, stranger things, gooey blah creature.
Speaker 2:Great Love, that that's.
Speaker 1:Okay, no notes, awesome I mean, oh my God, is this all the blood from the cows?
Speaker 2:Okay, well, I was a lot happier before you said that.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, I lied. Dice is swords. Oh, because suit of spokes is pentacles. I think it's because it's like a spoke, you know wheel. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then dice is like your weapon, I guess, okay. So, in D&D. Yeah, so I lied. I apologize. It's swords.
Speaker 2:Totes Mugots Drobun.
Speaker 1:Nine of.
Speaker 2:Swords Nine of Swords. Key words Despair, isolation, sadness, fear, grief and shame. Wow, so I have to go now. Yeah, oh, my gosh, bye, okay, wow. The Nine of Swords shows extreme anxiety, nightmares, tension, unhappiness, regrets over past mistakes or misfortunes. In many decks, this card shows a person weeping while nine great swords loom above him or her.
Speaker 1:I'd be interested to know how many cows were mutilated. Oh, I don't think it ever. It might have given me a number. I can't quite remember off the top of my head.
Speaker 2:In the Rider Waite Smith deck, a woman sits up in bed, as if waking from a nightmare.
Speaker 1:Ooh, so like nightmares too. Kind of remind me of alien abductions. Yeah, yeah, definitely so. The nightmare of having your money, like your cattle, mutilated and murdered, like that's your money source and, yeah, that's a nightmare.
Speaker 2:Okay, yuck, so many yucks, all of the ick, because this suit represents mental activity. Much of your suffering, maybe in your own mind, oh, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't like that. The first impression I got from the card was like it was the person doing these things. Because I don't know. I don't know if it's a person or not. I know there's no evidence of anyone being there. I just I really dislike all of this, or maybe it's the aliens just being mean. Some of them, not all of them, I'm sure not all of them are mean.
Speaker 2:There's an extra excerpt and it's super short. Many of us are not living our dreams because we are living our fears.
Speaker 1:Okay, Dang, that was deep.
Speaker 4:Bye.
Speaker 1:That was deep as fuck.
Speaker 2:Bye. Okay, we got this in the reverse. Okay. Nine's signify completion and the reversed nine can point to the end of a crisis or a period of despair.
Speaker 1:Well, that's very good news, that's extremely good news.
Speaker 2:Yeah, especially for the bovine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and the farmers.
Speaker 2:Also also those guys. You may have determined the root cause of your misery and are ready to deal with it. Perhaps you've stopped feeling sorry for yourself and are willing to make the changes necessary to repair the damage and move on. Oh, in some cases this card may indicate getting professional help with a problem.
Speaker 1:I, oh, it almost makes me wonder if they like did figure out who, if someone was doing it, like how to stop it or something, yeah, Interesting.
Speaker 2:That's at least one very plausible explanation.
Speaker 1:If anyone has any info, let me know.
Speaker 2:Okay, in a reading about money, this card can mean you see where you made mistakes and begin the process of rebuilding after a loss.
Speaker 1:Definitely rebuilding, but I don't know if it was a mistake made by them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it may be difficult to pull yourself out of your doldrums, but the reverse nine suggests the worst is over. Oh, that's great, don't give up. Oh, I love that. Oh, this is interesting. Is it Read?
Speaker 4:it.
Speaker 2:If the reading is about your job, you may have suffered as a result of someone else's jealousy, criticism or nastiness. Oh, However, this card encourages you to stand up for yourself and stop wallowing in fear or self pity. It may also recommend changing jobs. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Dude. Yeah, just you know, don't be a farmer anymore, it's fine, yeah, just stop doing that.
Speaker 2:Okay, in a reading about love, you may be examining a relationship deeply to decide if it's worth staying or if you'd be better off leaving.
Speaker 1:I mean I bet that was kind of on their minds, the farmers, this is all going down Like do I do this or do I just shut it down.
Speaker 2:Holy crap, sometimes being alone is preferable to remaining in an unhappy situation. Dang, be honest, you may have deceived yourself for a while.
Speaker 1:Wow, what I don't know. That kind of like all of this is telling me. Maybe it was a human doing it, cassie, what?
Speaker 2:You are literally going to lose your mind. Extra excerpt. There are very few monsters who warrant the fear we have of them.
Speaker 4:What? That's it Uh-huh.
Speaker 1:That is it, that is so interesting.
Speaker 2:That is like meant for aliens, yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't want to fear aliens, though, right Like I fear humans more Like I don't know, though.
Speaker 2:That statement and that Wow.
Speaker 1:Damn Okay, was that it? That's it yeah. Okay, I want to read what's in here. Whew, because this is interesting. I think so. It says for the reverse. It says upside down, because it's in the upside down, you have worked through something significant, recovering from a possession perhaps. Oh my God, what.
Speaker 2:So like is it or isn't it? I don't know. I feel like.
Speaker 1:What if a bad? Because I'm sure aliens are like us. There's murdering aliens. What if a murdering alien possessed a human?
Speaker 2:I hate this so much right now, I'm sorry. No If aliens. No, no, keep reading.
Speaker 1:There's got, I mean there's got to be bad aliens In good aliens.
Speaker 2:No, no, if they're real, they're all good. Okay, okay, thank you.
Speaker 1:Because they're more evolved than us.
Speaker 2:Obviously not hard. What Like, it's hard.
Speaker 1:So you're recovering from something and are finally starting to feel at peace. Congratulate yourself on facing your fears and hang on for the sensation I'm sorry that wasn't right. And hang on to the sensation of relief as a reminder for yourself the next time. Anxiety gets the better of you when you reflect, were things as scary as you thought they'd be, always Sometimes scarier, or was most of it in your head? So, yeah, this is kind of dang, I don't know. I'm getting the vibe, though, that this is not an alien mystery, that this is a human mystery.
Speaker 2:I mean, I think we both picked up on right away the word possession, but I think you can be possessed by fear.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Something to think about for some people.
Speaker 1:But it does seem the overall thing is like it's over.
Speaker 2:It does. Yeah, I mean it says nine is of completion.
Speaker 1:Oh, I hope so. I didn't see any other catamethylations reported, like every not like when I was looking for things, these were all. There wasn't anything more recent than what I found.
Speaker 2:Gotcha. Yeah, I feel like we probably have kind of a cursory awareness of it.
Speaker 1:If that had happened, I mean if they're reporting on it anyway. If they're not, like what am I going to do?
Speaker 2:Who knows? Yeah, well, I think that was a good one. Yeah, I feel like that really fit.
Speaker 1:We'll definitely get pictures of all of this close up because I know it's kind of small. But here's my little astronaut wine, my little astronaut who's hanging on for dear life to the space needle because we were up in Washington for the New Fork stuff. These are cool little alien looking rocks that I had in my possession. Possession.
Speaker 2:Oh boy, oh Well. Should we get out of here? I think so.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the alien's done with the cow mutilation and the murdering aliens.
Speaker 2:I mean yeah, kind of have a creepy ass day. See you next Tuesday, unless I leave the country.
Speaker 1:Don't get possessed by a murdering alien. I don't like it.
Speaker 2:You heard my idea. What was it?
Speaker 1:Wolves with scalpels. Wolves with scalpels, yeah.
Speaker 2:Honestly, maybe your theory is not awesome. If UFOs seems like the more plausible, and normal explanation.
Speaker 1:Now I'm picturing wolves with scalpels on their fingers, like wolf scalpel paws yeah, I'm just seeing them with loops.
Speaker 2:They've got a prescription pad.
Speaker 1:I think we have a movie on our hands. I mean it's at Netflix show. Netflix show.
Speaker 2:Yeah, limited series. Yeah TM TM. That's where the money is, my dude.
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