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I love watching people's reaction to this.
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So it's a video, it's me, I'm in white, my friend is in black, and we are sitting on a
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bed, we have asked our neighbor to come in and take a photo of us.
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It's up in the attic, which they have converted into guest rooms up there.
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Alright, so that's the whole video, 15 seconds.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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What?
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Yeah.
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She has no face, she has no feet.
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She looks like she's either laughing or screaming, but she doesn't make any noise.
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That is so creepy.
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I can't stop watching it.
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Hi, Caitlyn.
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Hi, Cassie.
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Hi, creepy people.
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Hello.
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If you're new to our creepy corner of the world, this is PNW Haunts and homicides, not
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"Honks" and homicides, where we chat about true crime, the paranormal, and all things creepy
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and/or goosey in the Pacific Northwest.
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I was going to say, are you sure it's not Honks?
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We've been called “Humps."
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Why not Honks?
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You know, the transcript translator, AI person machine, seems to think that we're
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Honks.
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So we're thinking about changing it and just going strictly goose related stories from now on.
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Listen, you guys, I think you know how I feel about those feathered fucks.
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And I think that there is a breadth of content that we haven't even begun to access.
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You want to talk about true crime?
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Look at those, goosey.
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Goosey motherfuckers.
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First of all, those feathered fucks.
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I knew you would like that.
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But when you're saying those goosey, I thought you were going to say those goosey lips.
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Goosey lips.
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Goosey lips.
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Goose have lips.
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Why do we wonder why things have lips?
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Last time it was what does SpongeBob have lips?
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Now let's do goose have lips.
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We're obsessed with chapstick.
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Like what is happening with the lips over here?
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I don't, you know, I think it's best if we move on.
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Well, we also do a terror reading at the end of the episode for deeper insight into the
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topic that we talk about for the day.
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So make sure you stick around.
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If you like that kind of shit.
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Yeah.
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And we might talk more about gooses and gussies.
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Guses?
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Guses?
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We don't know.
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Thanks for listening and supporting the show.
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Thanks for listening and supporting the show.
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Well this week is a creepy people chronicles which means we read the stories that you sent
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us.
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I do so love this.
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And then we do a terror reading about it.
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We already kind of said that but we do it for each story.
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So if you send us a story, you will get your very own terror read if we read it on air, live
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on air on the air live from New York live from New York.
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It is Saturday night.
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It's literally Saturday night.
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It is Saturday night.
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I made that work with my magic.
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I'm just saying maybe at some point if you guys really keep us rolling, keep us growing,
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maybe we'll do live from Saturday night.
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Oh I was like, do you think we're going to be hosting SNL?
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That would be so cool.
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We could perform.
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We can do the musical performance.
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Okay, I just feel like Tina Fey would want to be my friend.
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She's not even on SNL anymore.
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I know but I feel like she would come back so that she could meet me.
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Well Amy Poehler would want to be my friend.
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Are we best friends?
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Amy Poehler is my friend.
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You can't have them all.
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You can also hang out with her.
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Okay, I'll take Pete.
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Should we move on?
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Yeah.
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I have something actually really cool that I wanted to do today because I just went to
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Fallout Boy.
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Yeah, you did.
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I'm showing Patreon my boobies right now with my Fallout Boy shirt.
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I went with some of my very best friends in the entire world and I guess I'm going to include
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one of my very best friends, her husband in this equation.
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Okay, I guess you're one of my very best friends too now because they got VIP tickets.
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And they got a special swag bag.
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Stop it.
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And my friend's husband was like, I like Fallout Boy but like, I don't need a swag bag and
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he gave it to me.
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And I started crying.
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I was like, no, fuck you.
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There was so much shit in the swag bag.
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One of them.
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You have it there.
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I assume.
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I have one of the items.
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It is a magic 8 ball.
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With Fallout Boy fucking lyrics inside.
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I'm dying.
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I'm dying.
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So right now I want you all in your head to ask a question.
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I'm so upset.
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Keep your question secret though.
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It's only in your head and then I'm going to reveal one answer and read it and that's your
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answer for all of your guys in your head questions.
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Did that make any sense?
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I think so.
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That's how I talk when I'm like too excited to think.
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I mean, I get that.
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Okay, think of your question.
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Okay.
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It says, sugar, we're going down.
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I mean, that kind of sounds like it might be like a negative thing but I don't think it
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is because I think it's so.
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We're going down to Pound Town or something, you know.
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Oh, that would make sense.
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Okay.
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That makes sense.
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Or you know, like given head going down.
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Yeah, I think that's a good one.
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Is that what that means?
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Thank you for explaining that.
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So we got an email. (pnwhauntsandhomicides@gmail.com)
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Neither one of us have read it.
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So we're just going to cold read it right here right now for you.
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creepy people.
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And you were nervous about cold reading.
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I know.
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Because we do it all the time, but like I edit out every single mistake I make so that
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you guys think I'm perfect.
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And only the Patreon knows that I can't read.
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Can I start email starts?
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Happy Sunday, ladies.
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Happy Sunday slash Saturday to you.
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I think about some of the creepy things that have happened in your homes.
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And I thought I would share mine with you.
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We're talking about mostly Caitlyn's home.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I've lived in my home since 2017 and I'm the second owner.
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The woman that lived here put a mobile on the property in 1978 and was here until she needed
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ongoing medical care.
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My home has always felt very welcoming.
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No issues besides occasional critters since it is in the woods.
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Oh boy.
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What kind of critters?
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I have a lot of questions and opossums and birds.
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I don't know.
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Bats?
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Listen, you know how I feel about the winged "B word".
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The winged "B word".
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Okay.
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I have a friend that I got close to and let stay here when she needed.
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She told me my living room creeped her out at night.
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I have curtains on one side and the window that faces the woods doesn't.
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Oh, I mean, because like who's going to be standing in the woods looking in your home?
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Why do you need curtains?
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Okay, but you always still need curtains.
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I need curtains.
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I don't like it.
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I have seen a lot and I stayed out in like a country house where like there's the neighbors
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can't see into your house.
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No, I don't like that.
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But yeah, they were like we leave the blinds open all the time.
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You can close them if you want and I was like immediately I'm closing all these blinds
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because I'm terrified someone's creeping in the woods with a chainsaw.
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I don't need that in my life.
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That's just I think I don't know.
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It's just like anxiety like what's that called intrusive thoughts we're just sitting
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there in front of a window that's open and you're like I wonder who's waiting out
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there to murder me.
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I mean, I think that's probably simultaneously that's like the definition of intrusive thoughts
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but also like probably hanging out with me.
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I don't know.
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I've always been like this but I just grew up watching you know the news.
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Yeah, it's the contents.
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It's the content.
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It hasn't always been me in your ear.
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It's the content.
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If I was a man I would just leave those blinds open.
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Basically.
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Anyway, we're getting off topic.
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As always, one of the windows has curtains but the one's facing the woods does not.
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I have fallen asleep on my couch with my two dogs many of times and no issues.
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Back to her telling me she was creeped out.
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Okay.
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Yes, we want to hear about why.
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Yeah, we do.
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We do.
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It's cute.
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I'm like we do shaking her head.
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She said she felt like someone was watching her at night.
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Girl Same.
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I can't.
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No, thank you.
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We were eating dinner and instead of begging, my dogs were hyper focused on the wall with
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my coat hooks unsubscribe where their treats in the pocket.
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That's a good question.
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But that's what I would think.
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Maybe there's some leftover teardrops in the pockets.
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They started to low growl and then the hackles came up.
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Nope.
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My friend and I just stared frozen.
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Kaia, I'm assuming it's K-A-I-A.
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Yeah.
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And I-R-I-E.
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Those are her dog's names.
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Okay.
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So Kaia and Irie slowly started to approach the wall.
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They both yelped in a ram like something hit them.
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But they were headed towards a wall?
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Yeah.
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Like they were staring at the coat right.
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Okay.
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I really like the wall where the coat-
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No.
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No, no, no.
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No, thank you.
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Ooh.
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What if like the hooks were like the hook hands, like the candy man.
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Doesn't he have a hook hand?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Were there bees on the wall?
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I don't like that.
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At the same time, two coats shot off the hooks.
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I mean, literally flew up, not like they slid off the hooks.
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Well, that's weird.
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Yeah.
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Explain that to me.
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I mean, I guess I've hung a coat and like-
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But it like immediately slides off.
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Like it doesn't wait until two dogs are staring at it.
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Yeah, but it doesn't propel itself.
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It doesn't like-
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It's not a projectile.
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Oh.
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Okay.
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Ooh, something was there.
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It's a puppy, and I'm not happy about that.
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I don't like that.
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This is very reminiscent of when we were having lots of spookiness here.
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Yeah, we sure puppies.
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I don't like it.
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Did I say I was so frickin scared?
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No.
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But now I know.
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No.
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My dogs were shaking.
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Then I drove her home with my dogs.
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I immediately sage my house when I got home.
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I'm glad you took the dogs with you and then leave them there.
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Yeah.
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That's my least favorite part of like any movie where something scary happens and they're
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like, all right, well, guess we'll leave.
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Bye dogs.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Cool.
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Okay.
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Fast forward two months or so.
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I was talking on the phone with that friend.
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We were talking about having a girl's night.
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Again, my dogs got really agitated and the hair on the back of their neck stood up.
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I don't like it.
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I told her I'd call her later and got off the phone.
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The hairs went down and my dogs settled back on the couch.
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Hmm.
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There seems to be a common theme here.
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Is it her?
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I feel like it's the friend.
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Yeah.
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That's the thing.
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I mean, not like she's doing anything bad, but like something's attached to her or something.
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That's what I was thinking immediately.
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Yeah.
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Not like blaming this on your friend.
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I've ever been more thirsty.
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Okay, there's more.
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Like I've said, I've never felt uncomfortable here nor has anyone else.
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Needless to say, I think either my friend has, we jumped the gun here.
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Needless to say, I think either my friend has an attached entity.
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Something is in my home that doesn't like her a protective question mark.
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Oh, I don't know, but I haven't been hanging out with her over the past two years and nothing
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has happened.
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What do you guys think?
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Oh.
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Why?
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That makes me sad.
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And then it says, sincerely, Michelle, Kaya and Iry.
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And if I pronounce your dog's names wrong, let me know.
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I see what you mean now by way, jump the gun, but yeah.
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I don't know.
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It might not be her fault, but it does seem like maybe there's something in particular about
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her.
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I first thought when I was reading that was like something is attached to her that like doesn't
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want her to have friends.
312
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Oh.
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But then like, that's interesting.
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How is it showing up when she's just on the phone with her?
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Well, and that's interesting too.
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And that's the only thing that makes me think like, well, you know, one time she was actually
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present, one time it was just over the phone.
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So like maybe that's just a coincidence.
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But like, I don't know.
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That is weird though, that like the only two experiences she's ever had with anything involving
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this house was when her friend was there and when she was talking to her.
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I mean, she's the one coming to bed, right?
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So for sure.
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Yeah, I really don't know why.
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Like I was getting the sense that like something like you've all attached to her that like just
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like doesn't want her to have other friends.
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But like that's just part of like your intuition.
328
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Yeah, too.
329
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I feel like it's making me itchy.
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Thinking about it.
331
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Do you get itchy when you like are feeling things?
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That's like a sign.
333
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I feel like I get itchy when I'm like really nervous.
334
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So I feel I probably am constantly itching and not even realizing it.
335
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I'm a very fidgety.
336
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But I mean, you know, because you enter a podcast and you like.
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But well, gosh, I don't know that we like really gave any answers and I don't know if we have
338
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really any advice because what are you going to do?
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Be like, hey, can I sage you friend?
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Like I think something is attached to you.
341
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I don't know that's I mean, that is a tough one because if you do think that it's attached
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to her.
343
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Yeah, how do you approach that?
344
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Yeah, I will say this, the thing that I thought of immediately Cassie is like at the same time,
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you know, if this person really is a good friend that you would hate to lose, as opposed
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to somebody that now you just kind of are like, I just don't really hang out with her anymore.
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Now, I think back to when I was having a ton of spooky stuff going on over here and obviously
348
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not everybody wants to have that happening.
349
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But feel like for you, it's more of a draw than anything.
350
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Yeah.
351
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You know, if this is a good friend, you know, maybe, you know, maybe it's worth exploring
352
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is there another option?
353
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I guess that's what I'm trying to say.
354
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It's like the longest walk for the shortest glass of water possible.
355
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But yeah, I think I mean, it's been two years.
356
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So I don't know if you want to like reach back out, but maybe if you met in like a neutral
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zone that wasn't your house.
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And like if weird shit is happening there, then like, you know, it's her.
359
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That's a good suggestion.
360
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And I think meeting in a neutral place, just when you haven't seen somebody in that long
361
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in general is probably a good idea.
362
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That's true.
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Be like, Hey, I missed you.
364
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Hope maybe you can text and then maybe like nothing will happen from the text message or
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text her when you're out of the house.
366
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Maybe if you don't want to spook your dog.
367
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Oh, yeah.
368
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But then like part of me is also like, is that a good litmus test?
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Like do you call her when you are home?
370
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And then third time is a charm.
371
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I mean, I don't know if we want to like test it back home again.
372
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Yeah.
373
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I mean, it just really depends on what your tolerance for.
374
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Yeah.
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For that sort of riskiness and shenanigans is mine is particularly low.
376
00:18:44,980 --> 00:18:52,340
So also maybe like if she has social media, check that out and like she have a lot of other
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friends.
378
00:18:53,340 --> 00:18:54,340
Yeah, what's going on?
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Or you know, she just kind of a loner and then maybe maybe that's her.
380
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attachment, that's like driving everyone away.
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I don't know.
382
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Do some more investigating, I think.
383
00:19:06,100 --> 00:19:07,980
I do think I think that's smart.
384
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Yeah.
385
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Now feels like a good time to take a "winermission."
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But don't be scared.
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We'll be right back.
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You guys, we're back.
389
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And don't worry.
390
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We did get more wine.
391
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Well, of course.
392
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Well, should we?
393
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I feel like so I brought my moon oracle deck, but this isn't the right deck for this story.
394
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I feel like you need to pull a tarot card.
395
00:19:35,620 --> 00:19:36,620
Okay.
396
00:19:36,620 --> 00:19:41,860
Yeah, I do think this kind of calls for a more traditional tarot read.
397
00:19:41,860 --> 00:19:42,860
Okay.
398
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Sending vibes.
399
00:19:44,460 --> 00:19:46,380
It's our tarot-torial one.
400
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It's the one that has like the sort of cheat sheet of tarot cards.
401
00:19:52,300 --> 00:19:54,100
Okay.
402
00:19:54,100 --> 00:19:57,580
So I'm going to do what we did the last time that we were remote.
403
00:19:57,580 --> 00:20:03,740
So I'm going to fan these out and I need you to just give me like where your ring finger
404
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is now.
405
00:20:04,740 --> 00:20:05,740
Whatever card it's on.
406
00:20:05,740 --> 00:20:06,740
My actual ring finger.
407
00:20:06,740 --> 00:20:08,900
Sorry, your non ring finger.
408
00:20:08,900 --> 00:20:09,900
Oh, okay.
409
00:20:09,900 --> 00:20:15,420
I mean, it's a ring finger, but you're non wedding ring finger.
410
00:20:15,420 --> 00:20:16,420
Yeah.
411
00:20:16,420 --> 00:20:17,420
Okay.
412
00:20:17,420 --> 00:20:19,100
So this is interesting.
413
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It's the five of cups.
414
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Oh, okay.
415
00:20:23,940 --> 00:20:24,940
I know.
416
00:20:24,940 --> 00:20:26,500
Like that's not like a great one.
417
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Not great.
418
00:20:27,500 --> 00:20:30,220
So there's five of them.
419
00:20:30,220 --> 00:20:31,220
Yeah.
420
00:20:31,220 --> 00:20:35,820
Because there's the Michelle and her friend, the two dogs and the entity.
421
00:20:35,820 --> 00:20:38,580
Oh, that's interesting.
422
00:20:38,580 --> 00:20:39,580
Okay.
423
00:20:39,580 --> 00:20:40,580
All right.
424
00:20:40,580 --> 00:20:41,580
Okay.
425
00:20:41,580 --> 00:20:50,940
So just based on kind of the key terms and everything that are on the deck standard, the
426
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key words are sadness, loss, grief, remorse, trauma, heartbreak and anger.
427
00:21:00,380 --> 00:21:03,140
Oh, I don't like any of those.
428
00:21:03,140 --> 00:21:04,140
Are you sure?
429
00:21:04,140 --> 00:21:10,020
Because also this card is linked to Pisces, Scorpio and Cancer.
430
00:21:10,020 --> 00:21:11,420
Scorpio makes sense.
431
00:21:11,420 --> 00:21:12,420
Yeah.
432
00:21:12,420 --> 00:21:14,500
Cancer makes sense.
433
00:21:14,500 --> 00:21:15,500
Keep in secret.
434
00:21:15,500 --> 00:21:17,500
Also water and Mars.
435
00:21:17,500 --> 00:21:18,500
Okay.
436
00:21:18,500 --> 00:21:19,500
Okay.
437
00:21:19,500 --> 00:21:27,100
Key words are disappointments, sadness, loss, loneliness, do.
438
00:21:27,100 --> 00:21:28,100
And heartbreak.
439
00:21:28,100 --> 00:21:29,100
Yeah.
440
00:21:29,100 --> 00:21:30,500
Okay.
441
00:21:30,500 --> 00:21:31,500
Oh.
442
00:21:31,500 --> 00:21:35,460
One of the saddest cards in the tarot.
443
00:21:35,460 --> 00:21:43,260
The five of cups often shows a solitary person standing among overturned chalices, spilling
444
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their contents onto the ground.
445
00:21:46,220 --> 00:21:51,900
The sense of despair, hopelessness and grief is painful to see.
446
00:21:51,900 --> 00:21:57,380
Although five is the number of change and movement, this card suggests an inability to
447
00:21:57,380 --> 00:22:01,540
rise above a sadness, loss or disappointment and move on.
448
00:22:01,540 --> 00:22:05,180
I really think she needs to talk to her friend.
449
00:22:05,180 --> 00:22:06,180
Yeah.
450
00:22:06,180 --> 00:22:13,140
I just like feel like this card is her like everything has been pushed away.
451
00:22:13,140 --> 00:22:14,140
Yeah.
452
00:22:14,140 --> 00:22:16,820
Definitely do it in a neutral zone.
453
00:22:16,820 --> 00:22:17,820
Yeah.
454
00:22:17,820 --> 00:22:19,460
I do think that's smart.
455
00:22:19,460 --> 00:22:20,460
Yeah.
456
00:22:20,460 --> 00:22:21,460
I do think that's smart.
457
00:22:21,460 --> 00:22:26,980
In any case, whether there's an attachment or anything else going on, I think that's a smart
458
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thing to do.
459
00:22:27,980 --> 00:22:28,980
Just protect your space.
460
00:22:28,980 --> 00:22:29,980
Yeah.
461
00:22:29,980 --> 00:22:30,980
Protect your piece.
462
00:22:30,980 --> 00:22:33,180
I do have a theory, but we can talk about it after.
463
00:22:33,180 --> 00:22:34,180
Okay.
464
00:22:34,180 --> 00:22:39,620
A setback has left you feeling helpless and hopeless.
465
00:22:39,620 --> 00:22:41,700
That's quite the combo.
466
00:22:41,700 --> 00:22:44,580
And you can't see a way out of your pain.
467
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Most likely you've brought the loss or disappointment on yourself.
468
00:22:49,380 --> 00:22:51,620
So maybe it's not an actual attachment.
469
00:22:51,620 --> 00:22:53,860
That's literally what my thought was.
470
00:22:53,860 --> 00:23:00,460
Maybe she's just having so many dark emotions that there's like, you know, like a great
471
00:23:00,460 --> 00:23:01,460
cloud over her.
472
00:23:01,460 --> 00:23:02,460
Yeah.
473
00:23:02,460 --> 00:23:08,100
Like you can create like the energy that's like really bad energy that will like follow
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you around and the dogs.
475
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Like go up on it.
476
00:23:12,100 --> 00:23:13,100
Yeah.
477
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I think that maybe makes a lot of sense.
478
00:23:15,700 --> 00:23:19,260
That's like a lot of the theories around like the poltergeist activity too, where she's
479
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flying everywhere.
480
00:23:20,260 --> 00:23:23,820
It's like someone's dark energy.
481
00:23:23,820 --> 00:23:24,820
Yeah.
482
00:23:24,820 --> 00:23:25,820
Yeah.
483
00:23:25,820 --> 00:23:28,580
That makes a lot of sense.
484
00:23:28,580 --> 00:23:35,260
The five of cups shows you're focusing on what you lack rather than what you have or
485
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could have if you changed your attitude.
486
00:23:38,420 --> 00:23:40,460
Wow.
487
00:23:40,460 --> 00:23:45,020
I think of this as the self-pity card.
488
00:23:45,020 --> 00:23:52,540
In a reading about money, this card says you've endured losses, but all isn't lost.
489
00:23:52,540 --> 00:23:58,300
Don't keep throwing good money after bad, which is I remember the first time I heard this
490
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saying and I was like, don't.
491
00:24:01,140 --> 00:24:03,740
Don't keep throwing good money after bad.
492
00:24:03,740 --> 00:24:04,740
Yeah.
493
00:24:04,740 --> 00:24:06,220
It just, it makes sense.
494
00:24:06,220 --> 00:24:13,260
It's like don't add insult to injury by continuing in this same pattern.
495
00:24:13,260 --> 00:24:14,260
In my mind.
496
00:24:14,260 --> 00:24:15,980
Yeah.
497
00:24:15,980 --> 00:24:20,420
The five also encourages you not to give up hope.
498
00:24:20,420 --> 00:24:26,980
In some cases, it warns against a financial matter you're considering.
499
00:24:26,980 --> 00:24:33,180
If the reading is about your work, you feel unvalued, unfulfilled, and unhappy in your current
500
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position.
501
00:24:34,780 --> 00:24:39,300
And a job you'll enjoy more.
502
00:24:39,300 --> 00:24:46,060
In a reading about love, the upright five can signify the end of a relationship.
503
00:24:46,060 --> 00:24:51,140
You feel hurt, disappointed, perhaps resentful.
504
00:24:51,140 --> 00:24:56,060
This split may open new possibilities for you.
505
00:24:56,060 --> 00:25:02,900
So I don't know which way to take this because part of me says, does that refer to this friend
506
00:25:02,900 --> 00:25:11,540
relationship that, you know, oh, that is what's splitting up or does this refer to her friend
507
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as sort of being in this place of recovering from a relationship that is ended.
508
00:25:17,940 --> 00:25:19,420
I don't know.
509
00:25:19,420 --> 00:25:20,420
Yeah.
510
00:25:20,420 --> 00:25:25,460
So just because we both, I think, yeah.
511
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I have an extra excerpt.
512
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Okay.
513
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There may be opportunities.
514
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The writer, Wade Smith and many other decks show three cups overturned and two upright.
515
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This suggests all is not lost to the person for whom the reading is being done.
516
00:25:44,860 --> 00:25:50,700
Opportunities exist, but the quarent may be so enmeshed in sadness and self-pity that
517
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she or he can't or won't see the possibilities that would lead to a happier place.
518
00:26:00,940 --> 00:26:05,340
I just really feel, I mean, like I know we pull the card for the story and technically the
519
00:26:05,340 --> 00:26:10,700
person that sent the email, but I just feel like this card is your friend.
520
00:26:10,700 --> 00:26:13,740
Like I don't know what's going on in her life or anything.
521
00:26:13,740 --> 00:26:17,180
It's just, it's just what I'm getting.
522
00:26:17,180 --> 00:26:20,380
So if I'm wrong, I apologize.
523
00:26:20,380 --> 00:26:30,940
Well, and I mean, though we might be drawing the card for that person, it may extend to their
524
00:26:30,940 --> 00:26:35,700
experience outside of just themselves.
525
00:26:35,700 --> 00:26:40,580
And if this is someone that was, you know, perhaps close friend of hers, I feel like it's
526
00:26:40,580 --> 00:26:47,540
reasonable to think that when she's asking specifically about this person and about, you
527
00:26:47,540 --> 00:26:52,940
know, she shared these stories with us and then we pulled the card with that being sort
528
00:26:52,940 --> 00:27:00,380
of the basis, it makes sense to me that, you know, maybe it would be picking up on that
529
00:27:00,380 --> 00:27:02,300
other person's energy.
530
00:27:02,300 --> 00:27:03,300
Yeah.
531
00:27:03,300 --> 00:27:07,500
It's very strong, obviously, if it's going through phones and shit.
532
00:27:07,500 --> 00:27:08,500
Yeah.
533
00:27:08,500 --> 00:27:12,500
Assuming it's not something at your house, which I don't think it is.
534
00:27:12,500 --> 00:27:13,500
Yeah.
535
00:27:13,500 --> 00:27:17,500
I mean, it doesn't sound like it, but, you know, certainly not an expert.
536
00:27:17,500 --> 00:27:25,780
I definitely think like, yeah, take it slow, maybe reaching out to her, you know, not inside
537
00:27:25,780 --> 00:27:31,580
your home and then like, don't expect things to be like super good with you guys right away.
538
00:27:31,580 --> 00:27:37,380
Like she might still be feeling down and, you know, whatever, but maybe she just needs
539
00:27:37,380 --> 00:27:41,500
like a little bit of someone to hang out with every now and then and that like slowly
540
00:27:41,500 --> 00:27:46,220
will start to make her feel better and like change her mindset, but like don't force
541
00:27:46,220 --> 00:27:47,220
it.
542
00:27:47,220 --> 00:27:48,220
Just do that person.
543
00:27:48,220 --> 00:27:52,340
That's like, ugh, why do you, why are you sort of pressed?
544
00:27:52,340 --> 00:27:58,300
Well, do you have anything else to say about that or should we move on?
545
00:27:58,300 --> 00:27:59,300
Yeah.
546
00:27:59,300 --> 00:28:01,100
I think we covered that.
547
00:28:01,100 --> 00:28:02,100
Okay.
548
00:28:02,100 --> 00:28:03,500
I think we nailed it.
549
00:28:03,500 --> 00:28:09,700
Well now we have to get kind of emotional on you guys.
550
00:28:09,700 --> 00:28:10,700
Yeah.
551
00:28:10,700 --> 00:28:13,100
Sorry.
552
00:28:13,100 --> 00:28:22,540
We actually just recently learned some news that I think took both of us a little bit
553
00:28:22,540 --> 00:28:24,460
by surprise.
554
00:28:24,460 --> 00:28:33,780
A friend of ours from the podcasting community recently passed away.
555
00:28:33,780 --> 00:28:40,740
Kate Wallinga and some of you may know her, some of you may not.
556
00:28:40,740 --> 00:28:51,860
She actually guest start on an episode of our show and just a lovely, amazing collaborative
557
00:28:51,860 --> 00:28:59,940
human who was so supportive of, you know, different types of creators and of the indie
558
00:28:59,940 --> 00:29:03,260
podcasting community in general.
559
00:29:03,260 --> 00:29:09,660
If you want to go back and listen to the episode that she did with us, it was Loni Kai's
560
00:29:09,660 --> 00:29:10,660
episode.
561
00:29:10,660 --> 00:29:14,140
I don't remember the episode number off the top of my head.
562
00:29:14,140 --> 00:29:15,140
99.
563
00:29:15,140 --> 00:29:16,140
It's 99.
564
00:29:16,140 --> 00:29:17,140
Okay.
565
00:29:17,140 --> 00:29:18,140
99.
566
00:29:18,140 --> 00:29:22,460
And then she was also in another creepy people chronicles where she told a story about the
567
00:29:22,460 --> 00:29:24,620
ghost Charlotte in her house.
568
00:29:24,620 --> 00:29:25,620
Oh my gosh.
569
00:29:25,620 --> 00:29:26,620
Wow.
570
00:29:26,620 --> 00:29:27,620
Yeah.
571
00:29:27,620 --> 00:29:29,900
And that was episode 105.
572
00:29:29,900 --> 00:29:34,380
So we'll tag those in the show notes.
573
00:29:34,380 --> 00:29:38,740
You know, we didn't know Kate for very long.
574
00:29:38,740 --> 00:29:45,820
And truthfully, the handful of hours that, you know, we spent with her, you know, it's such
575
00:29:45,820 --> 00:29:54,300
a small fraction of any, any one person in the group of their life.
576
00:29:54,300 --> 00:30:04,940
But she's someone that even just a short time later looking back and reflecting on the time
577
00:30:04,940 --> 00:30:09,460
that we did spend with her, you know, she was very impactful.
578
00:30:09,460 --> 00:30:23,220
And it feels kind of appropriate that, you know, we never got around to doing another full
579
00:30:23,220 --> 00:30:26,540
episode with Kate.
580
00:30:26,540 --> 00:30:32,140
But she was the absolute spookyest bitch.
581
00:30:32,140 --> 00:30:35,500
She was so cool.
582
00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:42,780
We do have a story that we had talked about expanding on with Kate and, you know, doing
583
00:30:42,780 --> 00:30:48,700
a full episode about the Lizzie Borden House.
584
00:30:48,700 --> 00:31:00,100
And so we're going to share that story this week as part of the creepy people Chronicles.
585
00:31:00,100 --> 00:31:04,620
So we really hope that you guys enjoy it.
586
00:31:04,620 --> 00:31:05,620
Yeah.
587
00:31:05,620 --> 00:31:12,700
So, yeah, the story, despite us crying, it was like really fun to listen to.
588
00:31:12,700 --> 00:31:14,660
It was such a funny story.
589
00:31:14,660 --> 00:31:16,180
It was a really good story.
590
00:31:16,180 --> 00:31:17,180
It was spooky.
591
00:31:17,180 --> 00:31:18,500
It was funny.
592
00:31:18,500 --> 00:31:21,100
She tells a great fucking story.
593
00:31:21,100 --> 00:31:24,820
And in this story, she shows us a video.
594
00:31:24,820 --> 00:31:28,660
And I don't know if we can get access to the video now.
595
00:31:28,660 --> 00:31:29,660
I don't.
596
00:31:29,660 --> 00:31:30,660
I think so.
597
00:31:30,660 --> 00:31:33,620
I kind of looked through the email and I'm not sure if I saw it in there.
598
00:31:33,620 --> 00:31:36,220
I don't know if one of us saved it.
599
00:31:36,220 --> 00:31:40,140
But we can dig around and see if we can find the video that she's talking about.
600
00:31:40,140 --> 00:31:43,860
But we do have the Zoom video of when we talked to her.
601
00:31:43,860 --> 00:31:47,780
So we have our reactions to the video.
602
00:31:47,780 --> 00:31:52,780
And yeah, so we will definitely be posting that to Patreon.
603
00:31:52,780 --> 00:31:57,340
But yeah, she was just so easy to talk to.
604
00:31:57,340 --> 00:32:02,060
I remember when we started talking to her, we just started talking about stuff.
605
00:32:02,060 --> 00:32:04,100
And she's like, hold on, we need to record.
606
00:32:04,100 --> 00:32:05,100
Don't stop.
607
00:32:05,100 --> 00:32:06,580
Yeah, talk about anything else.
608
00:32:06,580 --> 00:32:07,580
We need to.
609
00:32:07,580 --> 00:32:08,580
Yeah.
610
00:32:08,580 --> 00:32:11,420
She was just immediately so easy to talk to.
611
00:32:11,420 --> 00:32:18,700
And you just tell she loved talking to people and hearing what people have to say and having
612
00:32:18,700 --> 00:32:19,700
conversations.
613
00:32:19,700 --> 00:32:22,140
And she's like about anything.
614
00:32:22,140 --> 00:32:23,140
Yeah.
615
00:32:23,140 --> 00:32:24,140
Yeah.
616
00:32:24,140 --> 00:32:37,140
So Kate was just such an incredibly positive and warm, just a very friendly and genuine person.
617
00:32:37,140 --> 00:32:43,300
Just by like, she just, she really had some health struggles.
618
00:32:43,300 --> 00:32:52,300
And looking back, I just don't think that anybody that was at, you know, I feel like of a better
619
00:32:52,300 --> 00:32:53,300
term.
620
00:32:53,300 --> 00:32:55,620
I mean, I say arms length distance.
621
00:32:55,620 --> 00:33:04,060
Like we were, I don't think that we understood that that meant that, you know, Kate might not
622
00:33:04,060 --> 00:33:08,660
be with us at this point.
623
00:33:08,660 --> 00:33:09,900
Yeah.
624
00:33:09,900 --> 00:33:14,980
My heart just like, I hate when people say my heart goes out to you, but like her kids and
625
00:33:14,980 --> 00:33:21,140
her husband and anyone who's close to her, I just like, I feel for you because like you
626
00:33:21,140 --> 00:33:22,900
said, we felt amazing.
627
00:33:22,900 --> 00:33:27,140
We felt her presence and her energy and her personality just in a couple of hours that
628
00:33:27,140 --> 00:33:28,140
we spent.
629
00:33:28,140 --> 00:33:30,140
It was more than a couple.
630
00:33:30,140 --> 00:33:31,140
Yeah.
631
00:33:31,140 --> 00:33:32,140
We did it.
632
00:33:32,140 --> 00:33:33,140
We talked a while.
633
00:33:33,140 --> 00:33:38,260
We had to finally just hang up.
634
00:33:38,260 --> 00:33:40,220
We did an episode with her too.
635
00:33:40,220 --> 00:33:41,740
And then she came on our show.
636
00:33:41,740 --> 00:33:44,900
So it was like a whole, it was a while that we spent with her.
637
00:33:44,900 --> 00:33:52,100
But yeah, we, well, we also want to just pull a card for her really quick from my moon or
638
00:33:52,100 --> 00:33:55,620
a cult act because I think that she would think that was really cool.
639
00:33:55,620 --> 00:33:56,620
Yeah.
640
00:33:56,620 --> 00:33:58,940
She was super into it when we did the tarot.
641
00:33:58,940 --> 00:33:59,940
Yeah.
642
00:33:59,940 --> 00:34:00,940
She loved tarot.
643
00:34:00,940 --> 00:34:02,420
Sorry for the sniffles.
644
00:34:02,420 --> 00:34:07,140
Meanwhile, I am not sorry.
645
00:34:07,140 --> 00:34:09,140
All right.
646
00:34:09,140 --> 00:34:11,020
Send me Kate energy.
647
00:34:11,020 --> 00:34:14,740
Ooh, this one like popped out.
648
00:34:14,740 --> 00:34:17,420
So I'm going to grab it.
649
00:34:17,420 --> 00:34:22,340
The card is joyous, which was like kind of one of the words you could use to describe
650
00:34:22,340 --> 00:34:25,580
her, which I think we basically just used.
651
00:34:25,580 --> 00:34:26,580
Okay.
652
00:34:26,580 --> 00:34:32,380
So the card for anyone who can't see right now has a witch lady on it in front of
653
00:34:32,380 --> 00:34:37,700
of kind of a crescent moon with a little fox buddy next to her in the grass.
654
00:34:37,700 --> 00:34:38,700
Okay.
655
00:34:38,700 --> 00:34:45,500
The quote on here, "If you carry joy in your heart, you can heal any moment."
656
00:34:45,500 --> 00:34:49,460
That's from Carlos Santana because he's a badass.
657
00:34:49,460 --> 00:34:56,500
The key words are appreciation, overflowing and choice.
658
00:34:56,500 --> 00:35:04,300
Being joy filled means having a grateful spirit and a genuine soul, begin by adopting an
659
00:35:04,300 --> 00:35:09,020
optimistic and uplifting attitude toward your life.
660
00:35:09,020 --> 00:35:13,860
Start every day with an upbeat and motivated vibe.
661
00:35:13,860 --> 00:35:17,220
Fill your heart with love for yourself and others.
662
00:35:17,220 --> 00:35:23,900
Joy will follow you when you allow yourself to discover how good most things really are.
663
00:35:23,900 --> 00:35:27,420
This is really hard to read.
664
00:35:27,420 --> 00:35:33,580
Living and practicing an existence of being joyful needs to come from within.
665
00:35:33,580 --> 00:35:35,700
Celebrate being alive.
666
00:35:35,700 --> 00:35:38,980
Celebrate being alive, y'all.
667
00:35:38,980 --> 00:35:43,180
Celebrate being alive and having the freedom to make your own choices.
668
00:35:43,180 --> 00:35:51,620
Follow the path leading upward and see the candy jar as half full rather than half empty.
669
00:35:51,620 --> 00:35:53,860
The candy jar.
670
00:35:53,860 --> 00:35:59,980
The thoughts and actions will attract higher vibrations surrounding you, granting you pure
671
00:35:59,980 --> 00:36:02,820
joy.
672
00:36:02,820 --> 00:36:08,820
In the intention, choose to spread your joy courageously.
673
00:36:08,820 --> 00:36:11,540
You will keep your spirit healthy.
674
00:36:11,540 --> 00:36:16,340
Your joy will make others happy.
675
00:36:16,340 --> 00:36:18,340
Kates joy made us happy for sure.
676
00:36:18,340 --> 00:36:21,420
I'm sure a lot of other people.
677
00:36:21,420 --> 00:36:25,940
It's interesting because at the end of this recording that we're going to share with you,
678
00:36:25,940 --> 00:36:31,780
we're talking about when to set up our next meeting and talking about how flexible we're
679
00:36:31,780 --> 00:36:33,780
so glad you're so flexible.
680
00:36:33,780 --> 00:36:38,140
She's talking about how podcasting shouldn't be stressful.
681
00:36:38,140 --> 00:36:41,700
It should be fun.
682
00:36:41,700 --> 00:36:45,700
You just have to have fun with it.
683
00:36:45,700 --> 00:36:48,980
Damn, that was harder than I thought it was going to be.
684
00:36:48,980 --> 00:36:50,980
What a perfect heart.
685
00:36:50,980 --> 00:36:58,380
I feel like she pulled it right out of my duck.
686
00:36:58,380 --> 00:37:00,420
Shit.
687
00:37:00,420 --> 00:37:03,820
You guys, we have something really exciting to share with you.
688
00:37:03,820 --> 00:37:08,020
Let's hear a few words from our new pod besties.
689
00:37:08,020 --> 00:37:09,900
Ah, Asia.
690
00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:11,940
The land of contrast.
691
00:37:11,940 --> 00:37:13,260
So mysterious.
692
00:37:13,260 --> 00:37:14,580
So diverse.
693
00:37:14,580 --> 00:37:15,820
So peaceful.
694
00:37:15,820 --> 00:37:16,820
So safe.
695
00:37:16,820 --> 00:37:20,940
But seriously, is that how it really is?
696
00:37:20,940 --> 00:37:27,020
While Asia is 100% filled with amazing people, culture, food and landscape, it is also home
697
00:37:27,020 --> 00:37:32,540
to crazy legends, superstitions and of course, atrocious crimes.
698
00:37:32,540 --> 00:37:38,700
The Asian Madness podcast covers a wide variety of topics, ranging from silly weird things to
699
00:37:38,700 --> 00:37:41,500
unimaginable horrors.
700
00:37:41,500 --> 00:37:44,940
Why is a murder case nicknamed the Hello Kitty murder?
701
00:37:44,940 --> 00:37:49,340
Why do people avoid picking up random red envelopes on the streets?
702
00:37:49,340 --> 00:37:54,940
Why who are the most infamous serial killers you've probably never heard of from Asia?
703
00:37:54,940 --> 00:38:00,660
If any of that sounds interesting, search for and subscribe to the Asian Madness podcast
704
00:38:00,660 --> 00:38:04,260
on your favorite podcast app.
705
00:38:04,260 --> 00:38:09,580
Step into the hidden corridors of the past with hometown history, where every episode
706
00:38:09,580 --> 00:38:17,260
uncovers the untold stories and secrets nestled in the streets and alleys our own backyards.
707
00:38:17,260 --> 00:38:24,060
We bring history to life, revealing the extraordinary in the ordinary from local legends to forgotten
708
00:38:24,060 --> 00:38:27,900
tales that shape the communities we know today.
709
00:38:27,900 --> 00:38:32,860
Tune in to hometown history and embark on a journey through time, right from where you
710
00:38:32,860 --> 00:38:34,500
are.
711
00:38:34,500 --> 00:38:43,500
Check them out creepy people, you can find their info in our show notes.
712
00:38:43,500 --> 00:38:44,980
Just a very brief aside.
713
00:38:44,980 --> 00:38:49,380
I'm curious, where do you land on Lizzie Borden?
714
00:38:49,380 --> 00:38:51,060
Oh, she absolutely did it.
715
00:38:51,060 --> 00:38:52,940
I mean, I think so.
716
00:38:52,940 --> 00:38:56,780
There's a lot of people that say like, "Oh, there's no way."
717
00:38:56,780 --> 00:39:02,380
Having spent time in the house is what tells me she could have done it.
718
00:39:02,380 --> 00:39:07,540
And this is a really important thing about a lot of crime scene investigation is that you
719
00:39:07,540 --> 00:39:11,820
can do all of the reading about the crime that you want, but you really have to go there
720
00:39:11,820 --> 00:39:12,820
and see it.
721
00:39:12,820 --> 00:39:17,900
So that's another room where the upstairs is this weird maze of bedrooms.
722
00:39:17,900 --> 00:39:26,300
So you have to know where people are and when you go from Lizzie's room down, the only
723
00:39:26,300 --> 00:39:33,620
stairs you can get to from Lizzie's room, you pass the guest room where Abby Borden was
724
00:39:33,620 --> 00:39:34,620
murdered.
725
00:39:34,620 --> 00:39:36,420
I'm going to this whole thing, just have me back on.
726
00:39:36,420 --> 00:39:41,300
The more I do, she could not not have seen.
727
00:39:41,300 --> 00:39:44,380
And they make a big deal out of there wasn't like, "You have to stop me.
728
00:39:44,380 --> 00:39:45,380
I cannot stop."
729
00:39:45,380 --> 00:39:50,660
It's okay, it could be a deal out of she wasn't enough of a mess, but like, I've seen that
730
00:39:50,660 --> 00:39:51,660
house.
731
00:39:51,660 --> 00:39:55,500
It would be easy to have done what she did without getting...
732
00:39:55,500 --> 00:39:56,500
Yeah.
733
00:39:56,500 --> 00:39:58,020
That's what it sounds like to me.
734
00:39:58,020 --> 00:40:03,780
I mean, not having been there, I can only say so much, but I always felt pretty strongly
735
00:40:03,780 --> 00:40:04,780
about it.
736
00:40:04,780 --> 00:40:09,420
And here's the thing, is that a house could be haunted whether or not she did or didn't
737
00:40:09,420 --> 00:40:10,420
do it, right?
738
00:40:10,420 --> 00:40:11,420
That is very true.
739
00:40:11,420 --> 00:40:15,660
I mean, I'm talking with it.
740
00:40:15,660 --> 00:40:17,660
I will save the haunting stories.
741
00:40:17,660 --> 00:40:18,660
But I have to.
742
00:40:18,660 --> 00:40:19,660
I have to.
743
00:40:19,660 --> 00:40:20,660
From Lizzie's room.
744
00:40:20,660 --> 00:40:21,660
Oh, yeah.
745
00:40:21,660 --> 00:40:22,660
Great.
746
00:40:22,660 --> 00:40:27,660
I will take a look at Calendly and I'll see if we can find a spot where we can do like
747
00:40:27,660 --> 00:40:29,620
kind of a longer session.
748
00:40:29,620 --> 00:40:37,380
We will try not to like make everyone like two hours per, but I can find a little bit
749
00:40:37,380 --> 00:40:40,580
longer window where we can record.
750
00:40:40,580 --> 00:40:41,580
I love to...
751
00:40:41,580 --> 00:40:48,780
I mean, I'm almost driven to speechlessness because the Lizzie Borden thing is just...
752
00:40:48,780 --> 00:40:49,780
It's murdering.
753
00:40:49,780 --> 00:40:51,940
But it can go.
754
00:40:51,940 --> 00:40:54,420
I mean, it is.
755
00:40:54,420 --> 00:40:55,420
Yeah, it is.
756
00:40:55,420 --> 00:40:58,660
I mean, do you want to see the video now?
757
00:40:58,660 --> 00:41:01,380
You can send it to me and I will watch it.
758
00:41:01,380 --> 00:41:02,380
It's...
759
00:41:02,380 --> 00:41:06,020
Well, I have to watch your...
760
00:41:06,020 --> 00:41:09,420
I love watching people's reaction to this because it is the best...
761
00:41:09,420 --> 00:41:10,420
It is just...
762
00:41:10,420 --> 00:41:11,420
Like I...
763
00:41:11,420 --> 00:41:12,420
Speechless still.
764
00:41:12,420 --> 00:41:13,420
Hang on.
765
00:41:13,420 --> 00:41:14,420
I'm looking for a link.
766
00:41:14,420 --> 00:41:15,420
It's like frozen her.
767
00:41:15,420 --> 00:41:16,820
I think she went to the screen.
768
00:41:16,820 --> 00:41:17,820
Oh my god.
769
00:41:17,820 --> 00:41:18,820
That is so fucking spooky.
770
00:41:18,820 --> 00:41:19,820
Oh, that...
771
00:41:19,820 --> 00:41:20,820
Yeah, closed zoom out.
772
00:41:20,820 --> 00:41:21,820
No, zoom out when I opened Chrome.
773
00:41:21,820 --> 00:41:22,820
I was like, is she okay?
774
00:41:22,820 --> 00:41:32,820
I am bored and doesn't want us to see the video.
775
00:41:32,820 --> 00:41:33,820
Right.
776
00:41:33,820 --> 00:41:34,820
Oh my god.
777
00:41:34,820 --> 00:41:38,020
Oh, Cassie, should I hit stop on recorder?
778
00:41:38,020 --> 00:41:39,020
Do you want me to stop on record?
779
00:41:39,020 --> 00:41:40,020
Yeah, I'm going to hit stop on record.
780
00:41:40,020 --> 00:41:41,540
Do you want me to live react to this?
781
00:41:41,540 --> 00:41:43,020
We can keep it going just in case.
782
00:41:43,020 --> 00:41:44,020
Yeah, keep it.
783
00:41:44,020 --> 00:41:45,020
Go for it.
784
00:41:45,020 --> 00:41:46,020
Go for it.
785
00:41:46,020 --> 00:41:47,020
I love this so much.
786
00:41:47,020 --> 00:41:48,020
It's not scary is it?
787
00:41:48,020 --> 00:41:49,020
Is it scary?
788
00:41:49,020 --> 00:41:50,020
No.
789
00:41:50,020 --> 00:41:51,020
Okay.
790
00:41:51,020 --> 00:41:52,020
No, it's...
791
00:41:52,020 --> 00:41:53,020
You tell...
792
00:41:53,020 --> 00:41:57,020
You say, “when and I'll hit play."
793
00:41:57,020 --> 00:41:58,020
You can say.
794
00:41:58,020 --> 00:41:59,020
So, it's a video.
795
00:41:59,020 --> 00:42:00,020
It's me.
796
00:42:00,020 --> 00:42:01,020
I'm in white.
797
00:42:01,020 --> 00:42:02,020
My friend is in black.
798
00:42:02,020 --> 00:42:03,820
And we are sitting on a bed.
799
00:42:03,820 --> 00:42:09,020
We have asked our neighbor to come in and take a photo of us.
800
00:42:09,020 --> 00:42:10,020
Okay.
801
00:42:10,020 --> 00:42:11,220
We're on like a girl's weekend.
802
00:42:11,220 --> 00:42:12,220
This is 2017.
803
00:42:12,220 --> 00:42:13,820
This is my second visit.
804
00:42:13,820 --> 00:42:14,820
Okay.
805
00:42:14,820 --> 00:42:20,060
And it's up in the attic, which they have converted into guest rooms up there.
806
00:42:20,060 --> 00:42:27,220
And so my friend and I are there and we've asked the neighbor, I handed her my phone.
807
00:42:27,220 --> 00:42:28,220
Okay.
808
00:42:28,220 --> 00:42:29,220
So, take this video.
809
00:42:29,220 --> 00:42:32,020
So, actually, I'd take this photo.
810
00:42:32,020 --> 00:42:33,620
I didn't even know I could hit it.
811
00:42:33,620 --> 00:42:34,620
So, just go ahead and hit play.
812
00:42:34,620 --> 00:42:35,620
Go.
813
00:42:35,620 --> 00:42:37,620
Three, two, one.
814
00:42:37,620 --> 00:42:38,620
All right.
815
00:42:38,620 --> 00:42:40,620
So, that's the whole video.
816
00:42:40,620 --> 00:42:41,620
15 seconds.
817
00:42:41,620 --> 00:42:42,620
Okay.
818
00:42:42,620 --> 00:42:44,620
Where's the scary part?
819
00:42:44,620 --> 00:42:46,620
Did you see the woman in black?
820
00:42:46,620 --> 00:42:47,620
Yes.
821
00:42:47,620 --> 00:42:49,620
She wasn't in the room.
822
00:42:49,620 --> 00:42:50,620
Yeah.
823
00:42:50,620 --> 00:42:51,620
What?
824
00:42:51,620 --> 00:42:52,620
Yeah.
825
00:42:52,620 --> 00:42:53,620
She wasn't.
826
00:42:53,620 --> 00:42:54,620
What?
827
00:42:54,620 --> 00:42:56,620
There were three people in the room only.
828
00:42:56,620 --> 00:42:57,620
It was my friend and I.
829
00:42:57,620 --> 00:42:58,620
We were seated in the bed.
830
00:42:58,620 --> 00:42:59,620
What?
831
00:42:59,620 --> 00:43:02,980
And there was the woman holding my phone, taking our picture.
832
00:43:02,980 --> 00:43:04,980
The woman in black was not there.
833
00:43:04,980 --> 00:43:06,980
And if you look at it now, you can't see it.
834
00:43:06,980 --> 00:43:07,980
She has no face.
835
00:43:07,980 --> 00:43:08,980
She has no face.
836
00:43:08,980 --> 00:43:11,500
She has no feet.
837
00:43:11,500 --> 00:43:16,940
She brushes up against me at one point and I don't react.
838
00:43:16,940 --> 00:43:20,580
Which let me remind you, I jump scare super easily.
839
00:43:20,580 --> 00:43:23,180
She really looks like she's there.
840
00:43:23,180 --> 00:43:29,060
She looks like she's either laughing or screaming, but she doesn't make any noise.
841
00:43:29,060 --> 00:43:34,060
Her head disappears into the ceiling at one point when she walks through.
842
00:43:34,060 --> 00:43:35,060
Oh my god, it totally.
843
00:43:35,060 --> 00:43:36,060
Yep.
844
00:43:36,060 --> 00:43:37,060
Uh.
845
00:43:37,060 --> 00:43:38,060
Uh.
846
00:43:38,060 --> 00:43:39,060
That is so creepy.
847
00:43:39,060 --> 00:43:43,060
I can't stop watching it.
848
00:43:43,060 --> 00:43:47,060
I have watched that 5,000 times at least.
849
00:43:47,060 --> 00:43:54,780
So here what happens is this is in the early days of selfies even for me.
850
00:43:54,780 --> 00:43:58,060
I had not taken very many selfies before this point.
851
00:43:58,060 --> 00:44:02,060
And so I, and I was a photographer in college and so I used to take pictures elsewhere.
852
00:44:02,060 --> 00:44:07,560
And so I took a handful of selfies when we were there and I'm used to taking a ton of photos
853
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,780
and then I get home and I dump most of them.
854
00:44:10,780 --> 00:44:15,660
And so with this one, I'm dumping things and I'm keeping things and whatever.
855
00:44:15,660 --> 00:44:21,060
And I get to this and I'm like, I didn't even know my phone took video.
856
00:44:21,060 --> 00:44:27,620
And if you watch it, it's weird because the first couple of seconds are a little
857
00:44:27,620 --> 00:44:34,620
jarring, like they're like a different speed and then suddenly the sound comes in and
858
00:44:34,620 --> 00:44:39,620
they make it, she makes a joke about your head spinning around or whatever.
859
00:44:39,620 --> 00:44:44,620
And they're like that room is so small.
860
00:44:44,620 --> 00:44:50,620
We would have noticed a fourth person in the room and two women traveling alone.
861
00:44:50,620 --> 00:44:52,620
You know who's in your room.
862
00:44:52,620 --> 00:44:53,620
Yeah.
863
00:44:53,620 --> 00:44:58,620
And so I see this video and the first thing I do is call my friend and I'm like, what the
864
00:44:58,620 --> 00:44:59,620
fuck is that?
865
00:44:59,620 --> 00:45:01,620
Like, who is that?
866
00:45:01,620 --> 00:45:03,620
How is my phone taking video?
867
00:45:03,620 --> 00:45:05,620
I didn't know it could take video.
868
00:45:05,620 --> 00:45:06,620
Who the hell is that?
869
00:45:06,620 --> 00:45:07,620
Do you recognize that?
870
00:45:07,620 --> 00:45:08,620
Was that woman in the room?
871
00:45:08,620 --> 00:45:09,620
And she's like, absolutely not.
872
00:45:09,620 --> 00:45:11,620
I don't recognize her at all.
873
00:45:11,620 --> 00:45:14,620
And like, wait, neither of us was drunk.
874
00:45:14,620 --> 00:45:15,620
Neither of us was drunk.
875
00:45:15,620 --> 00:45:17,620
Neither of us was not drinking involved.
876
00:45:17,620 --> 00:45:18,620
Oh my gosh.
877
00:45:18,620 --> 00:45:22,620
Were you ever able to ask the person who took the photo?
878
00:45:22,620 --> 00:45:24,620
No, we didn't get her name.
879
00:45:24,620 --> 00:45:26,620
But she had her husband.
880
00:45:26,620 --> 00:45:28,620
Well, somebody was holding my phone.
881
00:45:28,620 --> 00:45:29,620
I don't know.
882
00:45:29,620 --> 00:45:30,620
But she had come with her husband.
883
00:45:30,620 --> 00:45:33,620
So there would have been a certain logic to a man walking in the room.
884
00:45:33,620 --> 00:45:34,620
Could have been her husband.
885
00:45:34,620 --> 00:45:35,620
Right.
886
00:45:35,620 --> 00:45:41,620
But this was just some woman in the room who she's not in any other photos.
887
00:45:41,620 --> 00:45:43,620
It's the weirdest thing.
888
00:45:43,620 --> 00:45:45,620
That is so weird.
889
00:45:45,620 --> 00:45:48,620
It's the weirdest thing.
890
00:45:48,620 --> 00:45:51,620
I can't even explain.
891
00:45:51,620 --> 00:45:54,620
I watched it a million times because I keep...
892
00:45:54,620 --> 00:45:57,620
I concider myself a skeptic.
893
00:45:57,620 --> 00:45:59,620
Am I a skeptic? I mean...
894
00:45:59,620 --> 00:46:01,620
Maybe.
895
00:46:01,620 --> 00:46:03,620
But let's maybe not it.
896
00:46:03,620 --> 00:46:06,620
Give me a reason to not believe this.
897
00:46:06,620 --> 00:46:09,620
And that's one where I've watched this so many times.
898
00:46:09,620 --> 00:46:12,620
And I cannot come up with an explanation.
899
00:46:12,620 --> 00:46:14,620
Because you have to say,
900
00:46:14,620 --> 00:46:19,620
where the woman is standing with the phone to take the picture.
901
00:46:19,620 --> 00:46:21,620
She can't back up.
902
00:46:21,620 --> 00:46:23,620
She's against a window.
903
00:46:23,620 --> 00:46:24,620
Oh, yeah.
904
00:46:24,620 --> 00:46:25,620
So like there...
905
00:46:25,620 --> 00:46:27,620
And there's a closet.
906
00:46:27,620 --> 00:46:29,620
There's sort of a...
907
00:46:29,620 --> 00:46:31,620
Cut it and closet to the side.
908
00:46:31,620 --> 00:46:34,620
So there's not space for another human.
909
00:46:34,620 --> 00:46:35,620
There.
910
00:46:35,620 --> 00:46:40,620
So it's as though this woman walked past her and would have gone into the closet.
911
00:46:40,620 --> 00:46:42,620
Which I feel like it would have noticed.
912
00:46:42,620 --> 00:46:43,620
Yeah.
913
00:46:43,620 --> 00:46:44,620
You know, like at some point.
914
00:46:44,620 --> 00:46:48,620
So yeah, that video, I watched it a million times.
915
00:46:48,620 --> 00:46:49,620
I have no idea.
916
00:46:49,620 --> 00:46:50,620
I don't know.
917
00:46:50,620 --> 00:46:51,620
That is so weird.
918
00:46:51,620 --> 00:46:52,620
I know.
919
00:46:52,620 --> 00:46:53,620
Oh.
920
00:46:53,620 --> 00:46:55,620
Because my face is going to be stuck like this.
921
00:46:55,620 --> 00:46:56,620
(laughs)
922
00:46:56,620 --> 00:46:57,620
Oh my god.
923
00:46:57,620 --> 00:46:59,620
Is that like on YouTuber?
924
00:46:59,620 --> 00:47:01,620
Is that like yours?
925
00:47:01,620 --> 00:47:03,620
That's on my Google Drive.
926
00:47:03,620 --> 00:47:04,620
Oh, I could put it on YouTube.
927
00:47:04,620 --> 00:47:05,620
Oh, I was just wondering.
928
00:47:05,620 --> 00:47:07,620
I was like, I could watch it later.
929
00:47:07,620 --> 00:47:08,620
What?
930
00:47:08,620 --> 00:47:12,620
Yeah, I mean, you could...
931
00:47:12,620 --> 00:47:13,620
I put it on YouTube.
932
00:47:13,620 --> 00:47:14,620
You know what?
933
00:47:14,620 --> 00:47:16,620
My suggestion, anyway.
934
00:47:16,620 --> 00:47:22,620
Podcast speaking - is that you save the reaction part for when I come back on.
935
00:47:22,620 --> 00:47:23,620
Absolutely.
936
00:47:23,620 --> 00:47:26,620
And I'll put it on YouTube so that you can link to it.
937
00:47:26,620 --> 00:47:27,620
Yeah, definitely.
938
00:47:27,620 --> 00:47:28,620
Then.
939
00:47:28,620 --> 00:47:32,620
But I have absolutely no...
940
00:47:32,620 --> 00:47:37,620
And that was a night where I had wicked insomnia.
941
00:47:37,620 --> 00:47:38,620
I wonder why.
942
00:47:38,620 --> 00:47:39,620
But not...
943
00:47:39,620 --> 00:47:40,620
I don't have...
944
00:47:40,620 --> 00:47:42,620
My insomnia is an anxiety driven.
945
00:47:42,620 --> 00:47:44,620
I'm just simply awake.
946
00:47:44,620 --> 00:47:47,620
And so I was awake until the wee hours.
947
00:47:47,620 --> 00:47:52,620
I got in a tattoo that day and so I was awake and aware.
948
00:47:52,620 --> 00:47:56,620
It's a little sore at first and then it was itchy.
949
00:47:56,620 --> 00:48:01,620
And so I was just sort of aware of a lot through the night.
950
00:48:01,620 --> 00:48:03,620
And she didn't come back.
951
00:48:03,620 --> 00:48:04,620
There was no interaction.
952
00:48:04,620 --> 00:48:05,620
There was nothing scary.
953
00:48:05,620 --> 00:48:12,620
We just got up the next morning, took the house tour and wandered fall river a little bit and came home.
954
00:48:12,620 --> 00:48:15,620
Something about my spidey senses was like...
955
00:48:15,620 --> 00:48:18,620
...shrinking the fuck out.
956
00:48:18,620 --> 00:48:19,620
It's not fair.
957
00:48:19,620 --> 00:48:20,620
And I...
958
00:48:20,620 --> 00:48:23,620
What the fuck?
959
00:48:23,620 --> 00:48:25,620
Oh my gosh.
960
00:48:25,620 --> 00:48:26,620
Wow.
961
00:48:26,620 --> 00:48:30,620
Caitlyn's not going to sleep tonight.
962
00:48:30,620 --> 00:48:32,620
Well, I mean, she's the only way in fall river.
963
00:48:32,620 --> 00:48:33,620
You're fine.
964
00:48:33,620 --> 00:48:36,620
I'm watching it again.
965
00:48:36,620 --> 00:48:38,620
Why am I doing this?
966
00:48:38,620 --> 00:48:39,620
Oh my gosh.
967
00:48:39,620 --> 00:48:40,620
I can't watch it.
968
00:48:40,620 --> 00:48:41,620
I can't watch it.
969
00:48:41,620 --> 00:48:42,620
I can't watch it.
970
00:48:42,620 --> 00:48:43,620
I can't watch it.
971
00:48:43,620 --> 00:48:44,620
That was a thousand times.
972
00:48:44,620 --> 00:48:47,620
And I am fully open to give me an explanation.
973
00:48:47,620 --> 00:48:48,620
Yeah.
974
00:48:48,620 --> 00:48:52,620
A fully open to give me an explanation for what.
975
00:48:52,620 --> 00:48:55,620
Because like I should jump scared when she walks by me.
976
00:48:55,620 --> 00:48:56,620
I don't...
977
00:48:56,620 --> 00:48:57,620
It doesn't...
978
00:48:57,620 --> 00:48:58,620
It doesn't make sense.
979
00:48:58,620 --> 00:49:02,620
Like if I had seen that, if I had been aware.
980
00:49:02,620 --> 00:49:07,620
Your damn right, it would have freaked me out to stay there in a literal murder house.
981
00:49:07,620 --> 00:49:08,620
Like that would have been not great.
982
00:49:08,620 --> 00:49:11,620
Even though nobody was killed in that room still, you know what?
983
00:49:11,620 --> 00:49:13,620
I'm only a floor away.
984
00:49:13,620 --> 00:49:15,620
And so...
985
00:49:15,620 --> 00:49:21,620
But it wasn't until 24 hours later where I'm home and I'm going through my phone and I see this.
986
00:49:21,620 --> 00:49:23,620
And I was like, not still.
987
00:49:23,620 --> 00:49:26,620
It's six years later almost.
988
00:49:26,620 --> 00:49:28,620
And my mind's still blown.
989
00:49:28,620 --> 00:49:32,620
Have you sent it to the people that run?
990
00:49:32,620 --> 00:49:34,620
What is it in?
991
00:49:34,620 --> 00:49:39,620
No, I have a different story about that.
992
00:49:39,620 --> 00:49:40,620
Oh.
993
00:49:40,620 --> 00:49:41,620
Okay.
994
00:49:41,620 --> 00:49:45,620
People will say, "I mean, we can just keep recording."
995
00:49:45,620 --> 00:49:46,620
That's fine.
996
00:49:46,620 --> 00:49:47,620
The other...
997
00:49:47,620 --> 00:49:50,620
So this is the second visit.
998
00:49:50,620 --> 00:49:51,620
Yeah.
999
00:49:51,620 --> 00:49:56,620
The first visit was in 2005 with my husband for our anniversary.
1000
00:49:56,620 --> 00:49:59,620
Because we're super romantic that way.
1001
00:49:59,620 --> 00:50:00,620
And...
1002
00:50:00,620 --> 00:50:02,620
So the crime happened in August.
1003
00:50:02,620 --> 00:50:08,620
And so most murder tourism, which is gross, but it's the thing that happens in August.
1004
00:50:08,620 --> 00:50:10,620
But our anniversary is in October.
1005
00:50:10,620 --> 00:50:12,620
And so you're there in October.
1006
00:50:12,620 --> 00:50:15,620
And the first night was fairly full.
1007
00:50:15,620 --> 00:50:17,620
And they do a house tour.
1008
00:50:17,620 --> 00:50:19,620
And you always get one.
1009
00:50:19,620 --> 00:50:22,620
The guy's name was Duat from Rest Virginian.
1010
00:50:22,620 --> 00:50:24,620
He was looking for orbs.
1011
00:50:24,620 --> 00:50:27,620
And he would just take pictures, look for orbs.
1012
00:50:27,620 --> 00:50:30,620
Oh, Jesus fuck man.
1013
00:50:30,620 --> 00:50:31,620
That's what he was saying.
1014
00:50:31,620 --> 00:50:32,620
I mean, that's what he was saying.
1015
00:50:32,620 --> 00:50:33,620
You're in an old house.
1016
00:50:33,620 --> 00:50:34,620
There's going to be orbs.
1017
00:50:34,620 --> 00:50:35,620
I can just like sneeze.
1018
00:50:35,620 --> 00:50:36,620
You would like some.
1019
00:50:36,620 --> 00:50:38,620
So that was fine.
1020
00:50:38,620 --> 00:50:46,620
And the first night we stayed in the John Morse in the guest room where Abbey Borden was killed.
1021
00:50:46,620 --> 00:50:48,620
Because I am sick.
1022
00:50:48,620 --> 00:50:49,620
And I'm not happy.
1023
00:50:49,620 --> 00:50:57,620
And the second night there was supposed to be a full bus tour that was going to share the house.
1024
00:50:57,620 --> 00:50:59,620
But I had the cancel for some reason.
1025
00:50:59,620 --> 00:51:07,620
So I ended up being my husband and I in the owner of the B&B, whose name I can't pull up off the top of my head.
1026
00:51:07,620 --> 00:51:09,620
But it was only the three of us in the house.
1027
00:51:09,620 --> 00:51:10,620
Oh.
1028
00:51:10,620 --> 00:51:12,620
And so we had the whole place for ourselves.
1029
00:51:12,620 --> 00:51:16,620
And so she was like, you could stay in whatever room you want.
1030
00:51:16,620 --> 00:51:19,620
And we had already stayed in the John Morse room.
1031
00:51:19,620 --> 00:51:21,620
So we decided to stay in Lizzie’s bedroom.
1032
00:51:21,620 --> 00:51:22,620
Second night, because why not?
1033
00:51:22,620 --> 00:51:23,620
Like, why not?
1034
00:51:23,620 --> 00:51:25,620
Like, where we're all too good to stay.
1035
00:51:25,620 --> 00:51:30,620
And so we are so you have to picture.
1036
00:51:30,620 --> 00:51:33,620
I have to describe the downstairs of the houses.
1037
00:51:33,620 --> 00:51:34,620
Do you know what I mean?
1038
00:51:34,620 --> 00:51:35,620
If I say a shotgun house.
1039
00:51:35,620 --> 00:51:36,620
Yeah.
1040
00:51:36,620 --> 00:51:37,620
That's it.
1041
00:51:37,620 --> 00:51:39,620
So I'm standing by the front door.
1042
00:51:39,620 --> 00:51:41,620
I got a straight line of sight to the back.
1043
00:51:41,620 --> 00:51:42,620
There's no hallways.
1044
00:51:42,620 --> 00:51:44,620
It's just.
1045
00:51:44,620 --> 00:51:47,620
It's a parlor, short of foyer.
1046
00:51:47,620 --> 00:51:49,620
Like you open the front door and you're immediately.
1047
00:51:49,620 --> 00:51:50,620
There's a little guest book.
1048
00:51:50,620 --> 00:51:52,620
So I'm standing looking through the guest book.
1049
00:51:52,620 --> 00:51:55,620
My husband is directly upstairs from using the bathroom.
1050
00:51:55,620 --> 00:51:57,620
I can hear him walking around.
1051
00:51:57,620 --> 00:51:58,620
My husband's six four.
1052
00:51:58,620 --> 00:51:59,620
Like he doesn't tip toe.
1053
00:51:59,620 --> 00:52:00,620
You know what I'm saying?
1054
00:52:00,620 --> 00:52:01,620
Right.
1055
00:52:01,620 --> 00:52:04,620
So he's, I know where he is.
1056
00:52:04,620 --> 00:52:07,620
And the owner is in the dining room.
1057
00:52:07,620 --> 00:52:11,620
And because there are not hallways.
1058
00:52:11,620 --> 00:52:14,620
So I'm standing in this open area.
1059
00:52:14,620 --> 00:52:18,620
I'm maybe five feet from the couch where Andrew Borden was killed.
1060
00:52:18,620 --> 00:52:19,620
Right.
1061
00:52:19,620 --> 00:52:23,620
So I'm like, which is not the couch is, but it's a remodel.
1062
00:52:23,620 --> 00:52:24,620
Yeah.
1063
00:52:24,620 --> 00:52:25,620
And.
1064
00:52:25,620 --> 00:52:26,620
But so it's right there.
1065
00:52:26,620 --> 00:52:31,620
And the couch is situated between two doors, both of which.
1066
00:52:31,620 --> 00:52:33,620
Get you into the dining room.
1067
00:52:33,620 --> 00:52:34,620
You know what I'm saying?
1068
00:52:34,620 --> 00:52:39,620
So that I can, the point is that I can see both entrances to the dining room.
1069
00:52:39,620 --> 00:52:41,620
Which is where the owner is.
1070
00:52:41,620 --> 00:52:44,620
She's got paperwork spread out all over the dining room table.
1071
00:52:44,620 --> 00:52:47,620
And she's doing businessy important things.
1072
00:52:47,620 --> 00:52:48,620
Yeah.
1073
00:52:48,620 --> 00:52:50,620
And.
1074
00:52:50,620 --> 00:52:52,620
I can see straight back to the end.
1075
00:52:52,620 --> 00:52:53,620
So I'm page into the guest book.
1076
00:52:53,620 --> 00:52:56,620
I can see straight back to the kitchen in the back door.
1077
00:52:56,620 --> 00:52:58,620
I can see everything on the first floor.
1078
00:52:58,620 --> 00:53:01,620
The parlors is to my immediate left.
1079
00:53:01,620 --> 00:53:02,620
There's nobody in there.
1080
00:53:02,620 --> 00:53:04,620
And there is a back stairway.
1081
00:53:04,620 --> 00:53:07,620
So my husband is overhead near the front stairway.
1082
00:53:07,620 --> 00:53:11,620
You can't easily get to the back stairway.
1083
00:53:11,620 --> 00:53:16,620
And there's the sound of someone running down the steps in the back.
1084
00:53:16,620 --> 00:53:24,620
And it's to me felt feminine in a sense, light footsteps.
1085
00:53:24,620 --> 00:53:25,620
And they're quick.
1086
00:53:25,620 --> 00:53:30,620
And like, like, in that stairway takes like two tight turns.
1087
00:53:30,620 --> 00:53:33,620
So you have to be familiar with the house to go that quickly.
1088
00:53:33,620 --> 00:53:35,620
So that's the best I can describe.
1089
00:53:35,620 --> 00:53:38,620
It's like, if you're in your own house, you can kind of like,
1090
00:53:38,620 --> 00:53:40,620
pattern down the stairs.
1091
00:53:40,620 --> 00:53:41,620
And that's what it felt like.
1092
00:53:41,620 --> 00:53:43,620
Because somebody who just kind of knew the rear end.
1093
00:53:43,620 --> 00:53:45,620
And then nobody appeared.
1094
00:53:45,620 --> 00:53:48,620
And I'm just standing there like, cool.
1095
00:53:48,620 --> 00:53:50,620
That's that's weird.
1096
00:53:50,620 --> 00:53:51,620
But what are you going to do with that?
1097
00:53:51,620 --> 00:53:54,620
Like on its own independently.
1098
00:53:54,620 --> 00:53:55,620
What are you going to do with that?
1099
00:53:55,620 --> 00:53:56,620
Nothing.
1100
00:53:56,620 --> 00:53:59,620
Then the owner pops her head out of the dining room and says,
1101
00:53:59,620 --> 00:54:01,620
"You just come down the back steps."
1102
00:54:01,620 --> 00:54:03,620
And I lost my mind.
1103
00:54:03,620 --> 00:54:06,620
Because I was like, "Ah, that was just substantiated."
1104
00:54:06,620 --> 00:54:11,620
Somebody else heard the same thing that I heard.
1105
00:54:11,620 --> 00:54:13,620
And I was like, "No, I've been seated right here.
1106
00:54:13,620 --> 00:54:14,620
What is your hair?"
1107
00:54:14,620 --> 00:54:16,620
And she's like, "Somebody came down the back steps."
1108
00:54:16,620 --> 00:54:17,620
Oh my god.
1109
00:54:17,620 --> 00:54:18,620
I'm like, "I know."
1110
00:54:18,620 --> 00:54:20,620
And then Willum comes down the front steps.
1111
00:54:20,620 --> 00:54:22,620
And he's like I said, he's six four.
1112
00:54:22,620 --> 00:54:23,620
He's a hockey player.
1113
00:54:23,620 --> 00:54:24,620
He's a big guy.
1114
00:54:24,620 --> 00:54:26,620
And so there's a real different sound.
1115
00:54:26,620 --> 00:54:29,620
And he's like, "What are you talking about?"
1116
00:54:29,620 --> 00:54:31,620
I didn't hear any of that.
1117
00:54:31,620 --> 00:54:33,620
I'm the king, jerk, because you're upstairs.
1118
00:54:33,620 --> 00:54:35,620
It's all the fun.
1119
00:54:35,620 --> 00:54:40,620
But I was so jazzed by the fact that someone else heard it.
1120
00:54:40,620 --> 00:54:41,620
Yeah, really?
1121
00:54:41,620 --> 00:54:44,620
Because I would doubt myself, but somebody else hearing it.
1122
00:54:44,620 --> 00:54:45,620
Yeah.
1123
00:54:45,620 --> 00:54:46,620
Absolutely.
1124
00:54:46,620 --> 00:54:48,620
Oh my gosh, that's crazy.
1125
00:54:48,620 --> 00:54:49,620
I was so jazzed.
1126
00:54:49,620 --> 00:54:50,620
I was so excited.
1127
00:54:50,620 --> 00:54:57,620
And then I go ahead and take my extended release, sleepy time.
1128
00:54:57,620 --> 00:55:00,620
I have to find it and then we'll get that onboard.
1129
00:55:00,620 --> 00:55:02,620
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1130
00:55:02,620 --> 00:55:04,620
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1131
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1132
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1133
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1134
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1135
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1136
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1137
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1138
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1139
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1140
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1141
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1142
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1143
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1144
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1145
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1146
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1147
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1148
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1149
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1150
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1151
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1152
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1153
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1154
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1155
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1156
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1157
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1158
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1159
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1160
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1161
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1162
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1163
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1164
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1165
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1166
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1167
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1168
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1169
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1170
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1171
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1172
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1173
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1174
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1175
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1176
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1177
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1178
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1179
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1180
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1181
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1182
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1183
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1184
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1185
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1186
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1187
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1188
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1189
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1190
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1191
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1193
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1195
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1196
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1197
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1198
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1199
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1200
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1201
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1202
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1203
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1205
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1206
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1207
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1210
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1226
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1227
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1228
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1229
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1251
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1254
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1255
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1256
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1259
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1260
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1261
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1262
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1263
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1264
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1265
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1266
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1267
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1268
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1269
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1270
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1271
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1272
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1273
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1274
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1275
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1276
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1277
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1278
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1279
00:57:42,620 --> 00:57:43,620
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1280
00:57:43,620 --> 00:57:44,620
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1281
00:57:44,620 --> 00:57:45,620
And then we'll get that onboard.
1282
00:57:45,620 --> 00:57:46,620
Have a creepy ass day!
1283
00:57:47,620 --> 00:57:48,620
Babies.
1284
00:57:48,620 --> 00:57:49,620
Babies.
1285
00:57:49,620 --> 00:57:50,620
All right.
1286
00:57:50,620 --> 00:57:51,620
Okay.
1287
00:57:51,620 --> 00:57:52,620
No, Pete's younger than me.
1288
00:57:52,620 --> 00:57:53,620
I guess he could be my baby.
1289
00:57:53,620 --> 00:57:54,620
Pete.
1290
00:57:54,620 --> 00:57:55,620
Are you sick of us?
1291
00:57:55,620 --> 00:57:58,620
Are you dating like super hot girls still?
1292
00:57:58,620 --> 00:58:00,620
Because that's like not working out for you, you know?
1293
00:58:00,620 --> 00:58:01,620
Yeah.
1294
00:58:01,620 --> 00:58:02,620
You can call me.
1295
00:58:02,620 --> 00:58:03,620
Stop that.
1296
00:58:03,620 --> 00:58:05,620
Stop that!
