Cold-Blooded in Colorado & a Strange Russian Sojourn

0:00 If the president opts to grant Jeffrey's request, it will be impossible for him to be extradited to the U.S. as Russia's Constitution does not allow for extradition of its own citizens. [Music] Hi Cassie.

0:41 Hello, Caitlyn. Hey creepy people. Hello! Hello! If you're new to our creepy corner of the world, this is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we chat about true crime, paranormal, and all things spooky in the Pacific Northwest. Yeah. We also do a tarot reading at the end of every episode for deeper insight into the topic. And, you know, you're going to want to probably stick around for that. I think it's a pretty good insight. Yeah. Did I tell you? We actually got a question from a listener about the tarot reading. We did? Yeah.

1:21 We had someone that asked if we had ever started episodes with the tarot reading. Oh yes, we did use to. We did. Yeah. How long ago? Yeah. So I was explaining sort of the logic that you came around to as you were editing and how it was like, "Man, it seems like we kind of have to just go through and read it all over again when we get to the end." And why not just save it until the end and then both of us know what the topic is and it's really been gangbusters ever since. Uh-huh. It made our powers more powerful. I knew as soon as you said that I was like, "She is going to be like, 'Shit, I did not think that phrase through!' See? Oh boy. Even though I said we talk about spooky stuff in the Pacific Northwest, this is not a spooky episode. Don't get confused.

2:23 Oh yes, that's fair. They were like, "Well, she said spooky this time and I'm wondering if it's spooky." And no, it's not. I lied. Sometimes I lie. Yeah. Always on purpose. I mean, I said it. How dare you bastardize my phrase. [laughs] Are you ready? That's a loaded-ass question today. Yeah, no. We're not. We're not ready. I did not wake up ready. I'll tell you that. No. She did not wake up like this. I should probably say I did because I looked terrible. So this is fine. All right. I'm going to get right into it.

3:03 Charlene Voight was reported missing from Littleton Colorado by her family on July 8, 2016. At the time, her sister and the rest of the family had not spoken to her for several days, which was very unusual, even given the recent holiday weekend, which is never a great sign. She shares no relation to the World War II veteran that also made local news in 2021 after his dog tags were discovered in the Grand River back in '21. Oh my gosh. Yes. But I was left with an incredibly eerie feeling as I researched this case.

3:46 Hear me out. Okay. The dog tags in question belong to Clifford J. Voigt, slightly different spelling. And I'm obviously going to digress to say that I'm completely overcome with giddiness at the idea of dog tags belonging to a man named Clifford being discovered. Oh, that is so cute. I know. I'm going to digress to say that I'm a little bit more than I thought. I'm going to digress to say that I'm a little bit more than I thought. I'm going to digress to say that I'm a little bit more than I thought.

4:29 I'm going to digress to say that I'm a little bit more than I thought. I'm going to digress to say that I'm a little bit more than I thought. Though I'd argue that the discovery of dog tags far from the banks of the river is hardly a story that we can necessarily assume ended well. No. Yeah. He was washing his face and then they slipped off into the river, right? Anyways, I have to ask, is it just me or does the thought of finding anything in a river lead everyone to escalated threat level type thinking? I think so.

5:09 Okay. Probably just me, but I don't think it's a fear of the water. I don't think it's just you though. It's not. It's eerie finding stuff, you know? Anywhere, just like laying anywhere, seeing a shoe, you're like, anything could have happened. Yeah, I just, I think the fact that it's dog tags too, like that doesn't really belong there. And like if you're parted from your dog tags in a river, I think it speaks to something, you know, maybe not so awesome happening potentially. But I think we can all breathe a sigh of relief, Clifford, the veteran, not the cartoon canine was originally from Grand Rapids.

5:51 And he has since been laid to rust in Mesa, Arizona seemingly peacefully. I was left with the impression that no reasonable or disquieting concerns regarding foul play of any kind or an accidental drowning where a factor in his passing. So I at least feel better about that. That's good. Yeah. That's interesting. He's from Grand Rapids. He found his dog tags in some rapids. Yeah, it is weird. There's a lot of weird connections here. I didn't even make that one until you said that just now. Are we just spiraling in everything's a connection?

6:31 Yeah, we, that's kind of the name of the game here. I cut out a couple of other things that I was like, oh, and it just was like, no, nobody, no one has the time. But I'm afraid my illusion to a big red dog just now. Well, that's as close to love and light as this story is likely to stray. Unfortunately, particularly for man's best friend. I hate you. I know. I'm so sorry. How did these things happen? I didn't realize that there was anything that was going to make you unhappy about a dog until after I was almost three quarters of the way through researching and writing this.

7:18 You know, you claim this, but I'm pretty sure you just Google dead dogs and true crime cases. And that's how you pick them now. I, that's not accurate, but way to upset the listeners, Cassie. I forgive you. I hope so. At the time of her disappearance, Charlene was a 36 year old woman and a recent graduate of Cal Poly Pomona. She majored in landscape architecture. Oh, that's a really cool major. And I, when she graduated, she moved away from her home and her family in California and resettled in Colorado as she entered a new phase of her life.

7:58 Kind of a new phase of her life. It certainly had plenty of promise based on this limited data set. At least that's what I would have thought. Her boyfriend, Jeffrey Byer, also happened to live in Colorado at the time. So it seems fair to say that he probably had a little something to do with her decision to pack up and move. Oh, I see. Yes. You kind of want to live where your boyfriend lives, you know? I guess. Or maybe don't. Okay. Listen. Keep some of the mystery alive, people. There was not a lot of mystery left at this point. We're going to get there. So, I'm going to go to the next slide.

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10:44 Reportedly. Allegedly. Because at this time, I'm unaware of any unequivocal resolution in this case. I have to say things like reportedly and allegedly, which is deeply painful and offensive to my psyche. I have a lot of respect for anyone that tackles a job like this that requires a certain fortitude of the old factory senses. But this guy is the hot garbage juice in this case. You. It's one of my favorite phrases to express distaste for just about anything. Not that I'm claiming ownership to the phrase or any other.

11:28 Well, except maybe hashtag never Bundy. Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of hashtag never Bundy, you're welcome. You get an introduction to the inner workings of my brain inserting a completely unapologetic plug right now. Not an ad. Just an ADHD moment. Going get the book Bright Young Women by Jessica Knoll if you haven't already. We received an advance copy, which I really hope will just be a thing now for us because I love books and the best kind are those that are from fantastic writers for free 99. It's a really good book so far.

12:10 But we also ordered it on Audible as well. Yes. They may have known what they were doing. Based on my early girl, math projections, I'm confident in saying it was worth every cent. You guys know how I feel about feelings. Cassie and I are making our way through the book and it has been such an intense slow building thriller and an emotional roller coaster, depending on who you ask. Yeah. So please read the book and join us for our Patreon book club. We'll be announcing the date for that livestream shortly. If we haven't already. We'll add a link to the book and as always for the Patreon in the show notes.

12:53 Can we change it to hashtag never the defendant? Oh my god. Yeah. You'll have to read the book to figure that one out. Oh my god. Amazing. Never the defendant. Back to Jeffrey. Police were called to the shared residence of Charlene and Jeffrey. He did answer the door, but only spoke to responding officers outside after closing the door to the residence. Okay. In his retelling of recent events at the time, he told officers that he had fought with Charlene in the evening leading up to the holiday.

13:38 He stated that she had wanted to party. Who doesn't? Mm-hmm. I know. He had to work over the weekend and was unable to partake in the festivities. Poor guy. Yeah. Is anyone else lifting their eyebrow skeptically? I sure am. Prior to Charlene's disappearance, the couple reportedly went out with friends drinking on June 30th. The night's activities included the four hitting the slopes as well. And by that, I mean doing cocaine. Okay. It's July. Mm-hmm.

14:18 Yeah. Okay. I know that would be weird. I thought maybe you'd get it if I said it and I was like, it's July. She's going to understand they're not actually skiing, right? I don't know Colorado. I don't know either. There's some high spots that maybe have snow in July. I don't know. High spots. Get it. I'm just certain that's what all the kids are saying these days though. Hitting the slopes. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. Don't you drugs? Yeah. Unfortunately, the evening took a dark turn when a seemingly agitated Jeffrey pulled the female half of the other couple that had joined them into another room where he promptly locked the door and held her allegedly sexually assaulting her.

15:01 On July 10th, Jeffrey gives a formal statement to investigators at the police station regarding Charlene's apparent disappearance several days prior. Just days later on July 12th, Jeffrey is arrested for the unnamed female friend's sexual assault. It should also be noted that Charlene's family shared additional information with local authorities in Colorado following law enforcement's initial visit to their shared home to question Jeffrey. Charlene had filed a restraining order against Jeffrey dating back to 2012 when they were both living in California.

15:47 Oh, wow. So this isn't a new thing. She described an episode of physical abuse lasting upwards of 20 minutes that made her fear for her life in his presence. Charlene had said of the altercation, I thought I was going to die. Luckily, he finally stopped and went to bed. Jeff baked me not to call the cops on him since he knew that this would put him in jail for a long time due to his past history of physically assaulting other women. Oh, no, please don't tell them I did it again. Mm-hmm.

16:27 Fuck, man. Jeffrey did in fact have a history of abuse dating back to at least 2007 involving his ex-wife as well. Ultimately, he pleaded guilty in the domestic violence incident and served jail time board in 2013. Not enough. Mm-hmm. Nope. This prompted an emergency ping to be issued for Charlene's phone shortly after she was reported missing. Both law enforcement and her family were so concerned for her safety in light of, I don't know, recent events. And then, you know, once they had the entirety of the terrifying multi-state backstory.

17:14 The report they received showed that her most recent activity had taken place on July 1st near the apartment that she shared with Jeffrey. That was her last activity. Charlene's phone last transmitted to a tower at 4965 South Rio Grand Street. No subsequent activity was reported on her device. The couple shared apartment address was also on Rio Grande Street, where the neighbor reported hearing sounds that may have been an indication of a disturbance in the neighboring unit belonging to Charlene and Jeffrey.

18:01 You know, unless they wake up early to rearrange the furniture in their apartment. Huh. It's possible my upstairs neighbors typically do at least once or twice a week, but... I hope nothing shady is going on up there, Jesus. I think about it all the goddamn time. I think you have a log next year, but like writing down the kind of sound in what time. It's not a bad idea. Circling back, the charges related to the alleged sexual assault were eventually dropped in service to the prosecutors working on Charlene's case. The cases were so intertwined, if they moved ahead with the charges related to the alleged sexual assault, they would have been required to turn over basically everything they had during discovery.

18:54 Everything they had in a future murder case. Oh. And let's face it, it's less than ideal for a future murder trial to have already shown your hand. Yeah. It would be a major tactical disadvantage for the state in all likelihood. Although, and you'll see why at the end here, maybe we go... Maybe we circle back again. Now, maybe we just charge him for the sexual assault as well. Yeah. Maybe we do that. That was the sexual assault on the friend? Yes. Oh my gosh. How awful for her though, too. This happened her, now it's not nothing's happening with it.

19:37 Yeah, legally nothing happened. Oh God. But I think even fairly early on in the case, everyone involved could see where Charlene's case was headed, despite the fact that Charlene had not been found. According to the August 2019 indictment released on Monday, June 1st, 2020, so almost a year later, at the very height of the panorama, the panini sandwich of the plague, known as COVID, less fun to say though, I have to. The Panama. Jeffrey Scott Beier was charged with first degree murder, first degree felony murder, sexual assault, two counts of tampering with evidence, third degree assault, and two counts of attempting to influence a public servant by misleading authorities about Charlene's disappearance.

20:32 Dick. He was also charged with aggravated animal cruelty. No! I knew it was coming, but I didn't... I was hoping it wouldn't come anyway. Yeah. Which I'm paying to say that I need to issue obviously a trigger warning for bad things happening to animal. Okay. We're not quite there yet, but I'll let you know when we get there. Again, they're still looking for Charlene, whether she's alive or it simply her remains, so let's get back to the investigation. Everyone brace themselves though. After this episode drops, I could foresee some really awkward interactions at a few Colorado targets.

21:21 Oh, no. I'm literally staring at a target bag under your desk right now. Though Charlene is gorgeous and there's certainly a kindness behind her eyes that feels uncommon. She looks very much like a number of women that doubtless, countless people interact with every day. I feel like when you see a picture of her, if this is immediately following her disappearance, you're looking around everywhere going, "Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry that I thought you were the woman that they're looking for." Oh, okay. Because she just has one of those very all-American girl faces that... Well, they frequently make the news.

22:03 I get that, yeah. The Charlie Project and other Missing Persons databases described her "thusely." Missing since 2016 from Little Tin, Colorado, she is classified as an endangered Missing 36-year-old female. I have to take a deep breath before this next part. It hurts my heart. Measuring 5' and weighing 105 pounds. Oh, she's just little. This is an incredibly small woman, very slight. And I can't help but think that it takes someone particularly evil to pray upon her.

22:47 Distinguishing characteristics that they listed were a Caucasian female since when has that ever been a distinguishing feature? With blonde hair, brown eyes, pierced ears. That's a distinguishing feature. Wow, okay. And a scar on her abdomen from a prior car accident. She was also said to have a two-inch wide butterfly-shaped birthmark on her lower back right above the booty. A butterfly... Butterfly? Butterfly? I know. I thought you were going to say tattoo.

23:28 Well, especially when you hear that it's in the... You know, the knot. Tramp stamp. It... Who cares? Tramp isn't even a thing. Yeah. Shut up. That is really cute, though. Oh, my God. I don't think that I need to tell you that this description could probably be tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands or even millions of women. Yeah, I think the only distinguishing was the birthmark. Yeah. Yeah. Luckily, the indictment reveals that there was surveillance footage recovered in the course of the investigation that left something akin to a breadcrumb trail.

24:10 Stay stupid motherfuckers. In early July 2016, shortly after Charlene's whereabouts get a little bit sketchy, according to the indictment, a number of hours between roughly July 1 and 2, Jeffrey was seen on numerous recovered surveillance footage clips. Honestly, it was like he was on like a scavenger hunt. And all that was required was to be on as many cameras as possible. I mean, now, oh my gosh. You literally cannot step outside without being on a camera. No, you really can't. I sound like such an old person.

24:51 I know. Before. Or like a, you know, anti-government or like conspiracy theorist. They're watching all the time. Jeffrey is seen withdrawing $7,000 at a local Wells Fargo question. Yeah. Do you have to go in for that? Or can you get it from the ATM? You cannot take $7,000 out of an ATM. I wasn't sure. That was like a serious question. I wasn't sure. But it's a really good question because it certainly can differ by bank. But typically there's a maximum that you can take out and every bank handles it differently. But it's anywhere between two and maybe $500.

25:33 Oh, okay. And so some people will go to multiple ATMs. Some of them impose a daily limit. So no matter how many ATMs you go to, the max you can take out is like 300 bucks. Okay. I think I've ever had the max in my account to take out. So I wouldn't know that. You're like $300. Would I win the lottery? Seriously. Yeah. No, for real. I think I'm exaggerating what I've got. No, I wouldn't. Yeah. I get it. He also went to Home Depot at Santa Fe and I 25 where he's seen moving something from the back seat to the trunk.

26:14 With surveillance footage and receipts verify that this was on the very same date that he purchased a gallon of lighter fluid at Home Depot. Oh, boy. Is that the only purchase he made to my knowledge? Look, that is. You buy a couple other things to make it less suspicious. It's like when you buy tampons, you obviously like you know you wrap that shit in a magazine and buy a pint of ice cream just in case. Off exit 304 in Bennett, Colorado, he stopped at an abandoned farm off the I-70 highway.

26:55 He was there for roughly 20 minutes when officers later searched the property. A burn pile was discovered. Did they have surveillance footage at the farm? I'm not sure what the source of this particular section of the footage was. I didn't dig that deep into the indictment and all of the other information, but I was kind of curious about that as well. I was like, how did they know he was there for 20 minutes? Yeah, it's interesting. The reason why I didn't really dig any further on that is that there doesn't appear to have been anything of particular evidentiary value beyond the fact that there was a burn pile.

27:38 Yeah, because he burned it. Yeah. Why else would you burn something? Yeah, but I mean, that's just at least what's publicly revealed in the indictment. The indictment is in part redacted. Oh. So, I don't know. I mean, could there be more to that? Possibly. I think so. I think primarily it's redacted to protect the name of the people associated with the sexual assault case. Oh. Continuing on his route, Jeffrey also stops at two separate I-76 gas stations for roughly five minutes each.

28:21 Doesn't say that he purchased gas. So maybe he did. Maybe he didn't. I don't know. He just had to use the bathroom. Like what guy is making two five minute stops on his drive home? Maybe he has IBS. I don't know. I... Okay, five minutes. A man with IBS. Five minutes. Anyway. I mean, men are gross. Maybe he didn't wipe or wash it. Ew. He just dropped the loan left. Okay. Moving on. From there, he travels on to his apartment in the Denver area, but only remains there briefly. He makes an additional trip to his company lot, where he reportedly stays for roughly two hours.

29:06 His final trip is to Tower Landfill in a large truck, where he dumps a load of less than 800 pounds, which doesn't necessarily...it sounds weird. Like is that not a lot? And apparently it's not. For reference, there was apparently no confirmed or logical business reason for him to make this trip, because it's a notably small load for drop-off in his line of work. And it's like a holiday weekend. Yep. Yeah. It's right before the holiday. Interesting. And shall rest, dang.

29:46 A search conducted by law enforcement in November of 2016 revealed many personal items belonging to Charlene. And here's where I need to issue that trigger warning. It's like I gave you a trigger warning for a trigger warning. We'll keep this quick, like ripping off a bandaid. Okay. Also discovered with Charlene's personal belongings was the body of a small dog wrapped in a red sweater believed to have belonged to Charlene's missing Chihuahua Toby. No, Toby!

30:28 The dog had been decapitated. Why? Sadly, his head has not been located, which kind of makes you wonder about that burn pile. Why would he...I don't. It's just the head. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe he thought the face of the dog would be identifiable. I don't know. I know. You don't know. Why does anyone do something so horrific to an animal? I mean, not to mention to his girlfriend. Well, yeah. Allegedly. But just like a tiny little...just like an animal that they're so innocent.

31:14 I don't get it. Yeah. I just... her car was also found abandoned in a dirt lot at 50-99 South Rio Grande Street. So... close to their apartment, and wear her cellphone last pinged. Okay, just making sure you caught that one. I mean, I'm just agreeing with you. Oh, okay. I don't know. My mind is not here. Yeah, you're like, "I'm not here." At this time, Charlene also remains missing, and I have to assume essentially presumed dead.

31:56 You know who else was really difficult to locate all of a sudden, though? Jeffrey? I... good guess. Oh, yeah. Snick a little snake that he was. He'd made his way to Moscow. Nope. Not Idaho. I was like, "Seriously, Russia? Is it Russia?" Yeah. The other one. He went all the way to fucking Russia. Motherfuckin' Moscow... Russia. What? That's really far away. The theory is that he crossed the border into Canada in November of 2016, before traveling on to resettle in Moscow. And settle he did.

32:44 By Valentine's Day 2017, he had married. What? And by the following year, he and the Russian Mrs. were welcoming their first child, a daughter. Holy shit, he moves fast. Yeah. Wow. But apparently, the happy little family life wasn't built to last. You don't say? Yeah. By 2019, his wife had filed for divorce. She described horrific abuse at his hands, being brutally beaten and strangled, and in some cases, even the fact that she was holding their infant daughter at the time, did nothing to dissuade him from attacking her.

33:29 Oh, the poor woman. Yeah. And they're poor child. He had also, apparently, brought a new girlfriend into his home, which I would say, either of these facts taken separately, is certainly grounds enough for the divorce. But apparently, by this time, she also knew about his misadventures with the law in little tin, Colorado. Okay, wait. So he brought a girlfriend into the house where they were living together. So it was in July of that year that she reached out to police here in the States, to let them know where they could recover their little reptilian escapee.

34:12 Nice. I thought so. Good job. Yeah. She stated that Jeffrey had come to Russia because he was told there was no extradition treaty, which kind of sounds like Bolshe, because he's an American. So extradition, in case anyone's wondering, is the act of making someone return for trial to another country or state where they have been accused of doing something illegal. So, okay, you flee. We pull your backpack. After being indicted in the US, Jeffrey was put on Interpol's database and was eventually picked up in Moscow. Now he awaits Russia's decision regarding extradition and a Moscow jail, because I mentioned he's not from Russia, and actually he's probably no longer even married to someone who is a Russian citizen. So I'm not sure why they would want to keep him other than to maybe piss off America. Yeah, but like who is he who cares?

35:29 Yeah, knowing cares. According to the Russian daily newspaper, Comerson, he hopes to obtain Russian citizenship, which again, I don't know why they would want him. Seriously. He claims to be a victim of political persecution. What does that even mean? Further asserting that he is entitled to asylum. He's one of those entitled people. I'm a mediocre white man. How deserve everything.

36:09 Jeffrey claims that he has been framed for murder. He has also pointed the finger at the Colorado prosecutor and Republican Party candidate, George Brockler, who he claims is hunting him for political reasons. What would those be? You know, my next line says, which I don't know, Jeff is repeated abuse and a possible murder committed in the country attempting to extradite you what you would consider political reasons.

36:49 I almost have no words literally. What the fuck? If the president opts to grant Jeffries request, it will be impossible for him to be extradited to the US as Russia's constitution does not allow for extradition of its own citizens. I see, I see. And that wouldn't be such a problem if we were kind of not on such great terms. So it's unclear whether he will be returned to Colorado to face the charges against him.

37:31 No court dates will be scheduled until he is physically present in the Arapaho County Detention Center. He's still in Russia. He's still in Russia. As far as I know, I really tried to dig and see if any sort of arrangements were made in the last couple of years. And you guys again, Russia like, she's not that cool with us. Yeah. So I don't know, but honestly, like, okay, that's fine. You can keep him. I feel like maybe a Moscow jail is hopefully he's still in there. Yeah. Like, is that better? Maybe that's better. Maybe, you know, I'll leave you with the almost eerily optimistic words of district attorney, George Brockler.

38:32 Nobody should be able to walk away from murder. I will do everything in my power to bring a perpetrator to justice. I am pleased that in the death of Charlotte Voight, there is now a process in place to accomplish that. That last part. What's the process? Extradition. Okay. So the thing that, but that's why I say eerily optimistic. Like, I need an incredible feat that, you know, they were able to you know, track him down halfway across the world. But that process, you mentioned. Oh, okay. So all you have to do is get Putin to agree to extra poof down. It's going to be a little bit of a challenge here, for a while probably. Sort of a layered situation. Like a Russian nesting doll. Yeah.

39:33 I don't know. Maybe, maybe some tarot will make you feel better. I have a fancy new deck to show you. I know how you love that new deck. Terrible. Slash Oracle death. Question mark. As indie podcasters, we love to show our support of other awesome shows. So stay tuned for the promo we've got to share with you this week. Let's show them some love. You can find their info in our show notes. Hey, everyone. This is Maria with your Creepin Me Out podcast. If you are into the paranormal, true crime and just plain weird, you're going to want to listen to our podcast. My friend Jessica and I talk about all things weird and creepy from the hat man to alien abductions to your creepy encounters.

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41:18 Hopefully not too upsetting. Oh, that's interesting. Oh, what's this guy called? Praying Mantis. I found one of these in my food one time. Oh, gross. Yeah. Giant eyes just staring right back at me. Yeah. Okay, so Prank Mendes, mindfulness, strategy, and calm. Execution matters. Yeah. It does. It's funny because I read the keywords and I was thinking, "Oh, it's all the things that Jeffrey didn't do." Cool. That's what I was thinking too. Plan each moment carefully before taking action. Remain still. Mindfully planning your course of attack and be certain that your strategy will not harm your neighbor. In a state of calm, your mind will more easily open to the abundant opportunities surrounding you. Yeah, he doesn't have very many opportunities now. I don't know. I hear Moscow's nice this time of year. Is it? No. Is it cold? Isn't it cold? I don't know what it's like this time of year, but I hear it's frequently quite cold.

42:36 Quite cold. Tide cold. Should I pull another one? Yes. Oh, okay. Oh, I can barely read this. Jay. It's a Jay. Communication assertiveness, resourcefulness. Your input is essential. Say what you need with this concise words as possible. Hmm. Decide whether you want to plant your seeds in places where they can grow into future harvest or use them to nourish a situation more immediately. Interesting. Like someone wasn't doing any planting of their seeds. He was planting a seed. He wasn't nourishing his seeds. Yeah. Yeah. Don't just go plant near seed willy nilly on people who don't want their your fucking seed planted there will willy nilly. Can't we all just keep our hands through ourselves? Is it that hard? Yeah. Apparently. I think this one's really interesting because don't they like eat their man's head after they mate? I don't know. They might eat the whole thing. I just feel like I've always just heard they bite their head off after you know. Yeah. Isn't that what everyone's heard? I think they probably start with the head. I don't know. We should Google it.

43:57 Okay. Google it. And then it's also like praying mantis. So like someone praying on someone. Very relevant. I literally said someone prayed on her. Oh, did you say? I'm so sorry. No, it's no, it's just funny because it's like that choice of words. Oh, did you say it in this reading just now? No. No. In the episode. Oh, you did. I was like, oh, you already said it. I'm a dummy. I wasn't listening. National Geographic wants us to know. First of all, not all praying mantis species cannibalize their mates. How many species are there? I don't know.

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48:03 (upbeat music) Let’s open them next to the mic it the same time. (laughs) - Mine's already open. - Damnit Caitlyn. - Okay, shh. - I was trying to create some ambiance.

48:47 - Yeah. - Grassy ass. (laughs)