Behind the Screams: Portland's Underhill Haunted House

0:00 Someone said that they did pee themselves a little, and I was wondering, is this a common occurrence? Would you? Would you suggest people wear some sort of a corvincy pad or diapers? So last weekend I didn't know this was possible either. One of our longtime haunters who scared someone so bad that they left his room through an emergency exit, walked the exterior wall of the exhibit hall and.

0:40 Hey, creepy people, we have a fun spooky season bonus episode for you today. So if you're in the Portland area, this might give you an idea of something fun and very very creepy and scary to do this October. Today, I'm with Ira and Jeff from Underhill Haunted House. It's in downtown Portland at the Veterans Memorial Coliseum. The open times and dates are seven to ten every Friday and Saturday in October, and Halloween, which is a Thursday, with some other special dates will go over a little bit later on. This is your fifth year as a haunted house in Portland.

1:27 It gets a little confusing. I believe it's our fifth year. Is we missed a year due to COVID? Oh? So yeah, I think don't we don't count that year. Yeah, I believe you're right. I believe it's our fifth year here. But this is a fundraiser for the Portland based Canon Shakespeare Company. Yes, the Canon Shakespeare Company. But is so awesome. Do the actors and people involved with the Shakespeare Company also participate in the Haunt Yes? Well I'm one of them. I'm the artistic director for the company. And we're still a small company, so there's a lot of multiple so you'll have people who are acting, but when it comes to the Canon itself, they're also doing marketing and they're also doing the secretary and. All of that, so it's a lot of work. Yeah, is this your biggest fundraiser?

2:14 Well, this is This is our only fundraiser for the Canon, and this house was a hunted house before we started doing it as a fundraiser for other companies. Twilight Theater. We did as a fundraiser for Twilight Theater Company for a couple of years and then switched to the Canon Shakespeare Company. It's such a good idea, I think to do a haunted house as a fundraiser. I think it's so cool because it's like one time a year and then you're kind of set for the year, hopefully set for the year, right. Well, and I like that with the Haunted Houses, we're creating an opportunity for just more community, for people to come in and have opportunities that they otherwise might not have.

2:58 To learn things, to be a part of things. It's a lot of fun. Speaking of opportunities, I wanted to ask you about some of the volunteer opportunities you guys have, either now or for people for next year. Maybe well that would be Jeff our cast manager, amongst many other things that he does. Yeah, I mean we have, you know, myriad volunteer opportunities. You know, whether whether you want to act or just scare people with loud noisemakers, or if you want to come in and paint or try special effects makeup, or you know, try your handed building sets or from cleaning to sounds, costuming, costuming to lighting, two planning sort of anything that you would like to come down and try to help with.

3:55 We're welcoming. That's awesome. So you said, do the casting do you have like auditions this year? We're trying something new. We're trying a new format with one of our houses that involves sort of more storytelling and more sort of structured, a structured plot through the house rather than your typical sort of jump scares and things you know, coming out at you from the dark and loud noises and things. There's four elemental witches that kind of stop you and tell you are more storytellers rather than your typical haunted house.

4:35 So for those roles in particular, we did have short sort of auditions outside of that. You know, we are a volunteer haunted house, so we take everybody. You know, your want to be here is a lot of times greater than somebody who's the most talented actor in the world but doesn't want to be here exactly. You want to be here, you want to help us, you want to scare people. We've been involved in theater long enough that we're sure we can either help get you to the place where you are talented enough to scare people, or you fit you into a role that you're already great at. You have sixty or so roles. You can see behind me the whiteboard which has a third you know, that's just representative of one of our houses, one of the sections of characters. Oh wow, so yeah, that's a you know we can, we can find a place for you.

5:30 Oh yeah, and I've I've worked with people that have struggled with you know, they want to be a part of it and they want to act, but they're just they've never done it before, so the nerves get to them and they struggle with that. One girl in particular, I had, she could not get loud, like she could barely get her voice above a whisper, and the more people were around and just it was, it became impossible for her, the worse of God for her. We ended up putting her in a completely dark room and then give her a costume and makeup that completely covered her, so that in the dark room she became invisible to where all she had to do was open her eyes and smile. And after about a week of that she found her voice and towards the end of that season, yeah, she was a banshee.

6:22 Oh wow. My thing what I like doing with people in volunteers, especially the actors, is people who've always wanted to but have no experience. It goes back to acting one on one. You know, if it's a mask or if it's makeup, you get it on them and it sets them free. You get to see the timidity and the self doubt and the fear fall away, because when you're covered, you're not yourself. Yeah, so you get to explore. And we've got people who just all day long they want to do is what we call a pop scare. So they just come out from behind something or a slam panel opens or or whatever, and they're just come out and attack and then they retreat and they're gone again. To people who like with Jeff what he was saying about the Witch's Book, much more character.

7:11 So it's engaging. There's an element of improv to it, but it's also an element of storytelling, so that you're getting this connection between the actor and the audience member. But it's so cool. I think that's sometimes a lot scarier than the jump scared. But we want to do it. We want to do it all, you know, but we do well. We want to have it be good and have people entertained. We also. We want the people who are here volunteering to be a part of it to feel like they're getting something out of it. They're growing, they're getting new experiences, they're having fun. I tell people all the time, if you're doing something here and you're not having fun. Stop, we got to talk. Your time is valuable, don't waste it, don't waste my time. Let's let's find you something that you're going to enjoy and have fun doing.

7:59 That's so awesome, especially for for a volunteer position. It's like it's not a lot of pressure, but you still you still want them to have a good time and you know, make it worth their while. And so I found a review on your website that says, quote great Haunt, low budget. But with a lot of heart behind it. But looking through your Instagram and seeing and seeing some of the makeup and the set design, like, to me, it didn't look that low budget, you know what I mean. It looked like you have some really really talented people doing makeup, set design and acting as well. What do you think about the low budget comments.

8:47 I think that's a compliment. I love it. The Death Star was low budget, you know, but it was awesome, you know. And then we take a lot of our especially our sci fi special effects, and that's realm, you know. The Death Star was just a bunch of plastic stuff glued onto other plastic stuff and then spray painted silver, you know, and that's you know, we're lucky because the Rose Garden, sorry, the Moda Center's trash room is just a little bit over that way, so we're able to just go and get a bunch of discarded things that we can just go And I mean, pilfer, I. Know a lot of people, especially today, and you know rightfully so expect haunted houses to be these huge, very well financed professional productions. And uh, my wife is a special effects artist in film. I'm a prop maker in film Feaster Famine. Sometimes we have a bit of money, sometimes we don't. And every year we do this, we take a big risk, We take a loan to try to make it happen. And then when you put an advertising and you put in the fact that there are some people here who deserve to be paid just what they do, what they bring to the table, and the time that they spend. But yeah, most of our walls are recycled from TV shows. A lot of our gag is recycled from you know, stuff that I would go up to a coordinator on set were like, if you want to have some money and have less waste, let

10:19 me take that for you. So in some ways we are still kind of like what you would call in the industry a home haunt where it's not high glass, high professional. You know, we're not spending two to three hundred thousand on a whole bunch of animatronics and on a bunch of boot boxes. Things that can control the motion and dictate how many times something does something or repeats itself, or different patterns for how it would interact on's set off one of our people. He's building that stuff on his own. Wow, just to make it happen. And so yeah, when the people like low budget, Yeah, definitely a little budget, but with about three times the heart that the guys who've got the chet books have.

11:06 I feel like you can get a lot more creative too if you're making something from scratch, and then it probably looks a lot. Scarier if it's not super polished. Right. Well, I think there's a certain level of pride that goes into it from our volunteers when we've put. That much effort into something. You know, you can buy the wall treatments and the you know, vacui formed things that are all. Finished and polished and good. But if you have a team of volunteers that have actually put in the time to make this their own. Then you know that really does cement in that this is this is ours, this is something that I've built, this is something that I'm proud of. And I think that really translates into the performances, into the commitments, into the.

11:52 General morale, you know. Yeah, pride of ownership, pride of ownership. Yeah, you touched on the Witches fog House. But let's talk about the other two, correct, the terror Ship and then under hill manor so can you tell me a little bit about each of those without any spoilers. We want people to go and see it for themselves. So the Terrorship was new last year. We're getting to the point now where we'll have a theme for a couple of years. So one of the houses was the Junkyard, which was fun at the last year is always the best year. It's kind of the joke is like the year you're doing it before you do something. New is the best year.

12:33 So the Junkyard, dead cars with flashing lights, it was amazing. Every year you want to be better. And this guy right here for the Tearship, the effort that Jeff's put into it with how you just using an engraving machine, what. Is it called that's a C N C. Router, so he'll route PLEXI run a strip of LED across the top of it and makes these lights look futurist stick and using old computer monitors that we found worked after a freak duck come out of the dump at the motor center to you know, make monitors for the ship.

13:14 And just his creativity is the engine room is amazing. What he's done again you you suggest and rightfully so not to give stuff away. I'm trying in my excitement to express the coolness but not give it away. But the idea is. Is, yes, it's your your spaceship that's been out too far, out too long. It's all gross and mucked up, and then the aliens have gotten into it. Spooky, that's so cool. What about the Underhill manner? So Underhill the manner is something that while will never get rid of the manner, but the themes of the manner can change from you know, Underhill Hospital to right now, it's the manor with family pires.

14:01 That's the thing. That's a good mix of stuff. You got the witches, aliens and vampires. I love it. So where do you get the inspiration for the houses? Every year? It starts out with well, with the idea of you know, what would be cool to do next? Also, though it depends on what our resources are, because you know, again we're a good season is the season we break even and everything's paid for, you know. And considering that we're in this space for roughly four months between that and the advertising and then all the money is that get paid to all the other organizations here that do things, it can add up pretty fast. So like the terror ship, we wanted to do a ship. We had a bunch of walls that were roughly the same color, and then yeah, we just went. We went for a We went and to the good old bins and every cool plastic plastic key thing we could find, from NERF guns to contraptions whatever.

15:09 Because what's crazy, and as Jeff was mentioning, like with the Death Star and what they used to do in the seventies in the eighties is you would just take all this gack and then mount it on something and then paint it. And when you paint it and then you give it detail, it changes. It goes from looking like a bunch of junk screw to a wall to things that look like they have purpose. You don't know what it is, but you know that it looks it tells overall, it tells a tale that this is a part of a ship. And then you put black light on it and it looks cool. Yeah, you got to have the black light. But a lot of the designs of the houses, a lot of the themes, that comes from my wife, Christina. She's the one that's been doing this for close to thirty years. She started out at a Haunt down in California that was an old two story mall and the whole thing was the haunted house. So this is this is She loves doing the mazes and she just gets these feelings like I think whitches are it?

16:06 Well, she's right, something I thought was so cool and unique. I don't think i'd ever really seen it before. You have a halloween market in the space as well, a bizarre Is the market area really scary too or is it just kind of like. A normal No, it's it's scary, Okay. No jump scar is going to come out from behind a booth or something. We tell our actors that's strictly off limits. That in the bathroom, No jump scares, no scare zones, no scare zones. In fact, we have if the houses themselves are too much for our patrons, we have at the very end in the or in the halloweens are the Scaredy Cat Lounge, which is very well lit, very pot pink with the walls, a very comfy couch. But you just have to sit in shame somewhere that's like Scaredy Cat Lounge where everyone can see you as they exit. Yeah, but yeah, it's a safe space right next to all the merch.

17:06 I feel like if I took my co host there, I would just have to PLoP her down there and just leave her there the whole time. If you guys, if you guys wanted to come through, you should come through and bring her a little early and we'll put her in makeup and we'll. Put her somewhere in the house. Oh my gosh, and she can hunt you. She might be into that. It might be payback. But with the with the Halloween Bazaar, sometimes just the cost of booths is outrageous. What people have to pay just to display there. You know there was real estate. Yeah, it's crazy expensive. What we do is we tell people you can put up your booth and your tent and leave it. And the cost of that space is ten percent of your sales as a donation from you to the Canon Shakespeare Company, so it's deductible for them.

17:58 That's the that's the cost. And what we'd like to do is just focus on. You know, small privately owned companies, mom and pop companies, you know, like us artists people like that, and just it's a it's an opportunity for for artists to be seen by a lot of people and not lose a bunch of money doing it. So yeah, and it's like the perfect time of year, the perfect area. Like all of those people I'm sure would be into anything spooky they're selling at the market if they're coming to a haunted house, right, But if anyone is interested, So you said, you still have spots, and I assume there's like a form online you would fill out if you're interested in being in the market.

18:44 The person who's in charge of is the one who who puts that all together. So there's not a place to sign up for it that I'm aware of. We would have to talk to her, okay, but people could contact you if they were Oh. Yeah, definitely, and you're presenting some questions like oh, Okay, well, these. Things need to change. That's that's something that's been a part of this process over the last several years. As we're just like, we are a very safe space. We have a very strict no bullying, no threats of violence, no violence, no aggressive aggression policy. So it's just and over we've developed that over. The last several years, and when something happens that we were ready for it, then the policy gets updated. But also with things like that too, where it's like, oh, we should have some place where people if they're interested, once the word gets out and it becomes more known in the city that this is and that's what we want is that this is a place.

19:40 For artists to show their stuff. Yeah, to put in an application for it. Okay, So I wanted to talk about the Lights Out special event that is Thursday the twenty fourth, and the title seems a little self explanatory, but can you tell us a little bit about what changes with the haunt and the extra do environment. Well, yeah, we we hand out sort of small you know, pin lights, sort of the finger lighty led lights to each of our participants. Not so much so they can see their way through in the dark, more so we can see where they are. Oh, it's a false sense of security because they have some light.

20:22 It's not that great. Just get you caught right, Yep, yep. We we do leave on you know, emergency exit lights because the fire marshal would be angry if we didn't. But outside of that, yeah, it's more or less just a blackout event. Feel your way around in the dark, try to it. It's intense. It's not for everybody, but every year we will. You started doing it and we just we've had this slow build of very committed people that every year, are you doing it again? Are you doing it again? Yes, yes we are, and they love it. Those creepy people, man, they just want to be so scared, but you do have so maybe not so scary.

21:06 Stuff kids Monsterfest yet. That is Sunday, the twentieth and twenty seven. Yes, I just kind of have one question asking for a friend. Do the adults get to come and do they get wands as well? Adults can come and know they don't get ones because the wands only work for the children. We've had several complaints over the years when people are they show up and what they expected was because the tickets are cheaper, and they expected to be able to go through the haunted a cheaper price, but still have the late night scared shenanigans. And they've been very upset because kids Monsterfest.

21:47 It's just that it's during the daytime. What we do is we close down one of three houses, so we only have two houses open. We close the scariest, goorious house down. That makes sense, and then kids are given me. And what the kids are told is that the magic wands only work for them, so they can't hand it off to the adults. They're the only ones that can use it. It will only work for them. And most monsters are being good little monsters because it's daytime. Daytime is bedtime for monsters. But there are some naughty monsters running about and if they see one, point their magic wand at it and tell it, go to bed, monster, go to bed. And I always say this after I tell that, when I tell people what it is and how it works, Like, you don't know fear until you've been hunted by seven.

22:36 Year olds for four it's a workout. Yeah, they come after. You, oh my god. Yeah, But it's just it's so much fun. It's one of the more simply the most rewarding of the of the Haunt days, just because it's just straight fun because yeah, you get to act just so goofy. We're all dressed, you know, as very clownish, like bright colors. You know. We're just giving all of the power to these ten and under kids. And oh my god, they're coming watch out you guys, and yeah, just running for our lives from toddlers. It's amazing.

23:19 A lot of falling over. Yeah, and they take it to heart real fast. It's also really interesting because when we started doing we realized, wow, we're getting some insight into how some of these kids are parented, because some kids will be like, go to sleep, monster, and other kids are like monster, I. Told you go to sleep. Go to sleep. Break down and the parents are behind the kid and they're like, oh, let's see. Oh it's so sweet though, even though I wouldn't get a wand. No, it's it's it's like just say, it's really rewarding, and we've a lot of parents have really appreciated having something close in town to do with with their kids.

24:03 And we lower the price because we are closing one of the houses also, we just we have a lower price because it's for families. Yeah, so I imagine that seeing everything be put together behind the scenes kind of takes some of the mystery out of the haunted house. But when all is said and done and the lights go down, do you guys ever get scared seeing it all come together? We encourage the actors to try and scare. Us as much as possible. I mean, especially me. I mean it's my job as the as the cast manager to you know, critique performances, make sure they're doing the right thing. So I try to drill into them. Please don't drop character, please, you know, keep what you're doing, show me, show me what you got kind of thing.

24:50 And most of the time they're good. And a lot of the time, yeah I get, I do get scared. One person in particular that like Iris had started off you know, behind a slamp pannel tim and is all get out. Could only you know, shut shut a thing from behind the wall. This last weekend, I think scared me three times in the course of like two turns of a hallway. It's just completely come out of their shell and got me, you know. So it's definitely more the more the people like the the scares and the gags themselves. You know, I know, I know those are coming. But the things that people do get me all the time. Or like, you know, if we have a new actor that I've never met before and they come out of the the would work to surprise me.

25:36 Yeah, it's great, cure are you? Are you supposed to be here? People crawling on the ground every time? Every time. Crawling is just so creepy. But yeah, it's it's you think you're in a space and there's no one around it, and you look down and they're right above your feet. Looking up at you. There's yeah, when you when you do this, when you're in the industry, you don't get scared anymore because you see all of the mechanisms and all of the all of the things behind it. You can still appreciate when things are well done though, whether it's a set or whether it's a performance. But like, yeah, like Jeff said, we tell our actors all the time, just because you see us, don't let us pass by, come after us, Try something new, try something bold, because once in a while I can still be gone. I can and oh man like and it's a badge of honor when you can get someone who's been doing this for years and years and years, so we encourage them to do that because it's good for them when they're like, oh my gosh, I did it, and for us it's like, oh, man, who has been a while.

26:44 When I was snooping through your Instagram, I saw one of the reels of people their reactions after they were getting out of the house, and someone said that they did pee themselves a little, and I was wondering, is this the common occurrence? Would you. Would you suggest people wear some sort of corvency pad or diaper. So last weekend, which was our first time ever encountering something like this, I didn't know this was possible either.

27:25 One of our longtime haunters, who was also very instrumental in building the whole Haunted house, scared someone so bad that they left his room through an emergency exit, walked the exterior wall of the exhibit hall and projectile vomited a really entire wall. Oh no, which. We're in the process of building him a trophy. Because it's just the most amazing thing. Yeah, So, where diaper and bring a bar. Just in case of your prone to fits of vomiting or you know, have.

28:08 Iritable Yeah, people ask questions that are someone like that or that are like that, and it's just know yourself, know what your limitations are, because we also have people that are like, can I bring my kid? And I've had fifteen year old's sixteen year olds make it through the first room and they're done. They and they will not go back. I feel bad. It's like, because you know, no refunds, but yeah, you guys are missing out on like ninety five percent of they. Won't go back. Yeah. Man, We had a girl go through Kids Monsterfest. She was about eight or seven somewhere in there, and her parents had a great time, and she was sad. She came out, she said, and my wife was there and said, well, did you not have a good time? And her response was it wasn't scary. So we gave them comp tickets to come back later that night when all three houses were open, you know, all of the ruckus and the blood and the grossness and the screams and the terror.

29:14 So they go through third house, they come out, the parents are just like and she was she almost she was gonna split, she was. Her eyes were smiling. She was like, oh it was so oh, it was so scary. It was so good. Oh my gosh. So you got to know yourself. Yeah, you got to know yourself. You got to know. It's great for us. I mean, the worst case scenario what happens is is we have to shut a house down. This happened outside, so we didn't. But there's been times where I've had to stop a line and then backs up to enter and people get upset. You know, they don't want to that natural. You know, I'm not upset with that. You're standing around for ten minutes, fifteen minutes. You want to know why you just waited to get in. You're standing again? What's going on? And then the best time that ever happened was is people started getting vocal about it. And as it started getting vocal to people, it has batsuits head to toe because someone had had made a mess, they.

30:17 Had lost mowel control. And they come out pushing the cart but they feel like the goggles and the thing yellow suits and they're gloves and they're pushing it. And I watched him go by. I turned to the guy who was making a noise, a lot of noise. He was like, this is stupid. I don't want to be here. What's going on? Once. It takes a long and I just tread him ready, sir, We're ready for you, all nice and clean. He didn't want to go. Maybe that's why he was trying to get out of the line before it actually opened up again, because he was too scared. But he was, yeah, this is stupid. Well we have to wear oh man. So but yeah, there have been accidents.

30:59 I was going to ask, what the weirdest thing you've ever had to clean up from a haunt was? I feel like you kind of answered it. Yeah, we were. It's nice to still be surprised, and that was a surprise. I can't imagine the type of things people I don't know, because I imagine people just like ah and like losing all of their stuff. It seems like several times a year we have to go on a cell phone hunt through the twelve thousand or so square feet of haunted house and it's you know, typically kicked under something. We find them fairly quickly, to our credit.

31:40 But yeah, stuff goes flying. We find earrings, necklaces, jewelry, phones. Be careful, put your stuff on ropes so you don't lose anything. And to be so scary. And it's just you know, they'll they'll get through it three houses before they realized they've lost something, and they've gone through sprinting at some points because there's just. Just to get through it. That shows how like scary and into like the story and the scenery they are if they are forgetting that they've lost something. That's That's what I'm really I'm proud of is our are Haunt is getting a reputation now for being very actor centric and focused and being scary because of it, because we don't really have anything in the way of animatronics, so it's on our actors.

32:38 Yeah, there's another I mean plus about being low budget. You know, we have to we get to rely on these actors that are you know, getting better and better year after year, that are just continuing to surprise me over and over as as I go on. You know, we have people now in higher positions of sort of more authority, that are taking on more sort of directorial roles that I'm walking into Haunts finding that they've choreographed these sort of elaborate routines that are just amazing and brilliant just taking it on themselves. And so you've got you've got two actors doing a little sort of vignette that they've worked out together as people come by.

33:21 Yeah, it's great. That is so fun. Well, now I want to volunteer do Yeah, I'm coming down. You can't stop me. Yeah, I mean, if you would like to volunteer underhillpdx dot com monsters needed link that will send an email directly to me and I will reach out via phone within a couple of days and we'd love to have you. Yeah, definitely, probably sometimes I haven't said it time for it yet, but what I like to do is, if not two different times, at least one time, have an actor's workshop, which is part just acting but also acting for the Haunt. I've been in theater since I was a kid, and I love it. It's my passion and I love helping people figure ways to do it and be involved in it. I'm very much of a you want to be an actor done, You're an actor. There's no like secret handshake, there's no like code that you need to know to be an actor. No one, no one gate keeps that unless you give them the power too.

34:25 So I tell people, if you want to be an actor, you're an actor. Now you've got to be better the onus of that is on you, and uh so come in and volunteer for us and be scary and if you want, you know, learn some learn some stuff about acting and have fun. Yep, you want to go have some spooky fun. Right, yeah. And it's I've seen. Some haunted houses where regrettably, unfortunately, I feel like that's forgotten. You know, it's you can. Get caught up in all of the uh the technical side of it and in the presentation. And it's good to have those things. I mean, you want those things.

35:07 Because it all, it all just adds to the overall experience and the omvioance of it. But uh, I've seen actors that are just there to be there. Oh you look, you see it, you can see it. The eyes are very important. I tell people, when you're having fun joy, your eyes are smiling, they're a light, they're they're telling you that this is a moment that everyone's involved in. And some some of the times you go to these places and actuals just no, no, no, no, that's oh my gosh, your poor your poor kid. So that's you know, we really put the emphasis on there, you being present, being in the moment, having energy, enjoying the experience and not being afraid of failure. Don't be afraid to get it wrong as an actor. What's really cool about being in an a haunted house. You get a fresh audience every minute.

36:13 That is true. Didn't work, Try something else, did it work? Okay, Try a variance, try to up the anti, try to play it differently. And as we say, if you can't scare them, make them laugh, can't make them laugh, gross them out, can't gross them out, make it awkward. I feel like that's what I would be good at, is making things awkward. Oh I love making things awkward. That's like a lot of my interaction with people is to just be that personally. Hey, do you just hate it when people like don't pick up on social cues And then I'll go away and.

36:58 Keep talking to you like you have to conversation. But that was talking. Yeah, they left random like, oh man, that's just the worst. I love awkwy me too. That was great. Just some examples of what you could be doing in the Haunted House if you were a volunteer. Well, thank you guys so much again for coming on with me. I really wanted to find something local, something that was for a good cause. So hopefully everyone goes and checks out Underhill Haunted House and gets super scared and has so much fun. Well, thank you for having us.

37:39 It's this has been fun to just sit down and talk about what we do here. So you have tickets on the website, right, that's where you get your tickets, and you do say to pre purchase tickets because you pick like a time slot, correct. Yeah. Yeah, And that's so that people don't end up waiting three hours to get in, especially towards the end of the season when more and more people start coming. It really can back things up. Also, something very important if you can take the max here or carpool or taken an uber or what have you do, because this is a very happening place. So often there's several events going at once, and the parking is not cheap. Parking starts around twenty eight dollars.

38:31 Yikes, and it goes today. Yeah, it goes up from there. Wow. Okay, that was a good tip. Then, because sometimes you know, people see that and then we get hate mail, get that one star review. I don't know why I paid this, and then I had to pay the service fees and then they maybe pay forty dollars to. Park my car and we're like, sorry, we didn't do that. Have you been downtown before? It's kind of how it goes. But yeah, every max line stops within a. Block, so oh perfect, perfect. So I mean or just you know, park, park up by the Lloyd Center and stretch your legs for a bit, walk a few blocks. Save the money and the aggravation.

39:15 Oh my goodness. Yeah, and it takes forty five minutes to an hour to park, and then and then another hour to. It gets it gets messy. So yeah, don't do that, guys. We always suggest to people to try to find other means. Thank you alrighty, well, you guys have so much fun with the rest of your haunting season, and I hope so many people come and you run out of tickets. Wow, thank you very much. Thank you guys, absolutely, thank you. Fue I definitely would I want to come see the witches Bog.

39:58 That sounds amazing. I cannot drag my co host out there because she doesn't do I'm already taking to her to a cemetery and she's not into that, so I can't. I can't get her to go to a haunted house. But well, she should she should volunteer as an actor. There's a there's an old, cliched joke about the people who can't go to the haunted house because it's too terrifying. Make the best actors. That might make a lot of sense. They really do. She terrifies me all the time, so