A Dance with Dimensions: The Elevator Game

0:04 Hi Caitlin, Hi Cassie, Hi creepy people. Hello, we had so much fun hanging out in our costumes that we just decided that we would give you another bonus and don't leave them on hang out do bonus stuff. Yeah, because it's Halloween season and we think you deserve it. You would deserve it. You worked hard to get to the spooky season. It's right, and we're rewarding you. And I said that right the first time. M hm cheers. So we've been drinking wine. I mean like a glass, not too much, like just you know, five of these little tiny glasses.

0:48 Fine, I think we've got like a half a bottle between us. So I feel like it's not that bad. Oh, nothing too crazy. He's just trying to make excuses for my mouth where it's not working. I mean it happens fast, yeah, yeah, with the mouth. Where's it happens real fast. Well, if you don't know who we are, this is PNW Haunts and Homicides. Oh right. We chat about true crime, the paranormal, anything spooky in the Pacific Northwest and sometimes we do bonuses. Yeah. Yeah, that's what today is. That's that's what we're doing. So I mentioned this to Caitlin a while back, like not that long ago, it was pretty recent, like fifteen minutes ago.

1:29 It was a longer ago than that, like in between a long time and fifteen minutes. Yeah, but she didn't know what this was at first when I mentioned it. No, but then I told her it was kind of looped in with a true crime story and she's like, oh, yeah, I know that. I know exactly what you're talking about. I know that ish Yeah. So I was like, well, let me shittily explain it to you in like one sentence, and that was cool. It suffeist for then. Yeah, but I was like, well, what if I actually go deeper into this and tell her all of the ins and outs of the Elevator game, A. Game I would simply never play. I feel not even.

2:11 At the Benson. I don't know. I think it's big enough. You need like ten floors. Oh, how tall is the Benson. I don't think it's anywhere near that tall. I don't know, look pretty tall from the outside. Okay, well I'll look go look it up. I want to know. Oh, it's twelve stories. Okay, I'm like, it went it went away off. You're totally right, I don't know why. I was like, it's like three stories. We did only go to two stories, like we went to the first level and then the second level, so we didn't quite get to see all of the building yet. Yeah. Yeah, and it's actually technically a thirteen story hotel. No way. Yeah, I want to go do the Elevator game at the Benson c It's totally fine. I'll tell you how to play. We'll be fine.

3:01 I'm getting two different answers here. Some are saying twelve, some are saying thirteen. So I don't know, maybe because they don't count like the thirteenth or well, I was thinking maybe they don't count. The lobby is level one. I don't know, and because like lobby and then one, two, three, I don't know. Oh could be yeah, that might make sense, actually I try. Yeah, look at you. I go in a lot of elevators. It's probably a normal amount. Yeah, just like average. Well, this game is also called the Elevator to Another World. No thank you, or I think the Elevator rituals one of them. Okay, do you wanna know how to play and what happens?

3:50 I mean sure, I don't want to accidentally play it without even like realizing, So. It would be kind of hard, but I can see how you could do it. Oh okay, great, buttons. Just kidding. Oh is that like all there really is to it? I mean, I guess you're gonna tell me. Yeah, I'm gonna tell you. Okay, I'll let you know. Then we'll decide at the end if we're going to go to the Benson and play this. Okay. So the Elevator game is an urban legend, and they say it started in Korea, or some say Japan. I don't know if they're just kind of like lumping them in together. You're like, are you not sure which country? Yeah, but I think a lot more places say it originated in Korea. Interesting, okay.

4:34 And this game kind of gained popularity in like twenty thirteen because of a very sad thing, Alisa Lamb's death at the Cecil Hotel in La and so there there was footage of her kind of acting strange in an elevator and so people just kind of were like, Oh, she's playing the Elevator game, and like that's what killed her. I don't obviously, I don't think that's true. Yeah, kind of seems like not so much, because if it's supposed to be taking you to another world like that piece of it did not work out to be true.

5:16 Yeah, spoiler alert, unless it took her there and spat her back out, because there's some there's some weird things that happen at the end if you don't end it right. Oh but obviously I don't think that's what happened to her, but okay, yeah, but kind of like a wigiboard, like yeah, like if you don't close it out right, okay, have you left so so intense. But that's the reason it got kind of linked to her stories because there was footage of her in an elevator, and then obviously online people wit nuts about it and have all of their own theories about true crime and so all of the sleuths, it's forever linked, unfortunately. Yeah, so this is a game.

6:06 You can play alone, or you can share this experience with a friend. Caitlin, it did my weird wink. That was just my cheek moving. Yeah. I don't think that's as enticing or convincing as you might be thinking. Don't you want to play with me? I could be in a haunted house. I'd be really good. You really would be. Yeah, you were born for this. So it needs a building with at least ten floors, so the ventsen would work. We look that up and they say it does have to be a public building too, so not like your own private building. I guess if you have a building with ten floors when you just.

6:51 Like casually own, Yeah, something that's ten or more stories. Yeah, so it does have to be a public and obviously it needs to have an elevator. Yeah, fair point, fair point, it is in the name of the game. Yeah. Yeah. To play this game, you get in the elevator and you ride the floors in a certain order. Oh and if someone enters the elevator on one of the floors that you stop at, or one of the players gets out, you have to restart. Oh okay, so you can't really interact with anybody. It's kind of starting to sound like Monopoly, like the longest game ever, because it's a hotel, and how the hell are you supposed to be uninterrupted?

7:38 Right, Well, doesn't have to be a hotel, it just has to be a public building. True, but I don't know the cecil how pop in that was in the middle of the night, Like obviously some shit went down without anybody knowing, so yeah, yeah, that's true. Yeah, but the bed thy Yeah, it seemed pretty I feel like we would have to do it in the middle of the night, probably because it was people come in, and we said before they use the bar as like a public space, so it's not just people staying there that come in the building. Yeah, it's pretty busy, I imagine. Yeah. I don't know how many elevators they have to, like if they just have like one or if they have multiple.

8:19 That obviously depends on the traffic. I think at the Benson they probably have just the one because remember she was talking about how and correct me if I'm remembering this wrong, but I think she was talking about how most hotels at the time would have had like a staircase on this side of the building and then a staircase on like the opposite side, and the Benson just has the one to get up to like guest rooms. So I think probably, I mean it's been renovated and things. Obviously we talked about that quite a bit, yeah, over the years, but I would think probably putting in just the one elevator, yeah, would be like the easiest way to go about it.

9:06 But we'll have to see when we go back. Maybe service elevators, though I feel like that is a little bit different. Dude, using a service elevator would be like extra creepy for this game. I think, Yeah, I kind of want to do that. Okay, Okay, let's continue convincing Caaitln to never ever play this game, because that's basically what I'm doing here. Yeah. Essentially, so you start by going to the fourth floor, and then if there's no interruptions, no one comes in or out, you go down to the second floor. Okay. Then you go up to floor six okay, and then back down to floor two okay, and then all the way up to floor ten. Oh.

9:50 And this is all like if anybody gets in or out at any point, you got to start all over again. So the next one you do, you go down to the fifth floor, and this is where some shit kind of starts to happen. Allegedly. If there's a woman that enters the elevator with you at the fifth floor, do not look at her, do not talk to her, like, don't acknowledge her at all. Pretend she does not exist. This woman is not a woman. Oh boy, she's not human. Oh boy, if you do talk to her, look at her, acknowledge her, she might decide that she needs to keep you for her own But for why, I don't know.

10:41 It didn't say oh, to play with you. Also, I don't know how you're supposed to know, Like what if it's just a normal woman getting on at the fifth floor and you have to start all over. I mean, I guess you don't know until you know. But if it's at four five after doing the other sequences, just don't even even if you think it might be human, just like, don't yeah, don't acknowledge. I mean I feel like that really follows like my typical. Preference more interactions in a public setting. No thank you. I just wonder, like how hard she tries to get you to talk to her though, Oh, will she start talking to you? Like, hey, where are you from? What's a good restaurant in town? Like? Does she normal?

11:29 You can't even look at her, so, I mean, is she doing something crazy that you can see like in the corner of your eye? Like yeah, I was just thinking like you can see her probably like on your peripheries, and I don't want that. I mean, I kind of do. I just want to see what happens, like I want to know, but I don't really need to experience it for myself. Fine, I'll do it by myself. To wait the lobby and make sure I come back. Yeah. Yeah, somebody called the Ghostbusters. So if you make it through that and you don't speak or talk to her, I guess she goes away.

12:11 And then you have to press the first floor button. Okay. The elevator then will either go down to the first floor normally in which you exit and you never look back. You just leave, just go, but it might start going up to the tenth floor instead of the first floor like the button you pushed. Okay. If the elevator reaches the tenth floor without interruption, you can then exit the elevator. For the first time in this entire game, you are allowed to exit the elevator and if a woman asks in a very high pitched voice, where are you going?

12:53 What's wrong? I don't know if that's her voice, that's just what I interpreted the high pitch to be. Well, I mean, I for one and hate it, but don't respond to her. Okay, do the same thing, totally ignore it. Okay. Once you get off on the tenth floor. You are in another world, okay, like you're there. You made it, you crossed over into the unknown, and you're alone there. I mean, you could have your partner who you're playing with, but otherwise, no one else is in this world except for I guess this person who's asking what's wrong. I don't know where they're at or where they come from. I feel like that's ominous. You might not. It looks like you don't see them, though you kind of just maybe hear them. I'm not really sure. Okay, there's not a ton of details.

13:41 Yeah, I mean, I would imagine this would be a difficult thing to report back on. Yeah, yeah, Okay. Also, your husband just walked by the little crack in the door, and I almost peed my pants even though I just. Peed Holy shit, what are husbands for if not to make you a little bit freaked out, so much so. They almost scare the pepa out of you. It's fine, baby, you're scaring the pp out of us. What do you say? I'm sorry, I'm almost done. I don't know what he's doing. I never know what he's doing. Where's my meat loaf? Ma? Okay, so we're kind of distracting ourselves. Well, let's keep going because there's more.

14:28 Like meat loaf sounds good, you know, I don't know. Let's take the meat loaf on the elevator. Maybe that's the secret. You gotta take. Food with you and then you're fine. Well, I mean we did. That was the number one concern when we thought we might get locked in behind the gate. That's true. You probably do want to take food with you because your electronics won't work in this other world, so you can't eat Uber eats. I say that like I'm always ordering Uber Eats and that's just sim waiting. Not the case, but I want to have the option. Yeah, when the options taken away, Yeah, it's horrifying. This other world is pretty close to the world that you came from.

15:17 Like you you might not know the difference. What was the point? But all the lights will be off. Only thing that you can see is like a red glow coming from any windows, and it's from a red cross that's in the distance. Okay, why is this something that we're trying to accomplish because you want to visit another world in return and get bragging rights and say that you made it back. I mean, okay, are there people making it back. Are there people making it there and then making it back? I don't know. I have so many questions. I bet Reddit would tell you. Fuck. Ok I get like super deep on people's like personal stories because we're just just died in like how to play okay right now? Yeah, but yeah, I don't know. It'd be interesting to see if anyone actually did it and came back and had a story. Yeah, that would be so interesting. Or if it's just instructions and then no one ever returns to tell their tale.

16:17 That's that's my concern, primarily, I feel because this other world sounds like. Yeah, but you can return back to your own world. So the goal is to just enter that world and then get back, probably as fast as you can to the elevator that you got up there on. So you definitely have to find the same elevator. Yeah, don't go too far. I'm saying allegendly on that because I'm gonna need someone to fact check to confirm this, to confirm what to confirm that, like you can come back like yeah, I don't know. You've got to follow all the rules though, Okay, but apparently if you go too far, like you can lose track of the elevator, like the distance gets weird, and of course you can, yeah, so be careful.

17:08 I don't like that at all. So returning, you have to get back in the same elevator and then go through the same order of floors that you did to get up there, So four to six, two, ten, five one, and then when you press the button for the first floor, it will start going back up to the ten floor again, and you have to cancel this before it gets there by pushing any other floor button apparently, okay, so to cancel, push any other floor and then I guess. Then when it cancels, you can try to push floor one again and it should work. It should take you down, not backa okay, when you get to the first floor. Before getting off the elevator, this is very important. Before you exit the elevator, you want to check your surroundings very carefully and just make sure everything is how it's supposed to be like the world. You remember, if something is even just a little bit off, don't get off the elevator.

18:16 Oh god, don't do it, because you'll be trapped there forever. Probably I don't, okay. First of all, just too many steps. There's you need to write it down for sure, oh a thousand percent, but not don't just have it on your phone though, because it doesn't work in the other world. Well right, exactly. And I'm sorry, but I've had printed map quest directions and still fuck that up. So I'm sorry. This is just I'm not prepared to roll the dice on this one, and I don't think so. Good thing. I think it's kind of like forgiving in that you can like start it all over, you know, if someone gets in, like I feel like it's semi forgiving.

18:58 If you mess up. The front end, yes, and that's not even you messing up, that's just like you're in a public space, so of course that is gonna happen. And I feel like, but if you pushed like six instead of or if you push like five instead of six, you could just start all over. I think. Yeah, if you're in the beginning, you're right, though, once you've been to the other world and trying to get back, it's a little bit different. Yeah, if you think something is wrong, you have to repeat the sequence of floors until you get back down to the first floor and you are sure that that is your world. That sounds fucking exhausting. I know, so like, hopefully it works the first time I take it back. It's like a thousand times worse than Monopoly. Well yeah, yeah, I guess it depends on how many times you have to go through the same steps of floors. How many floors of that?

19:53 I mean, I can predict it would be a few floor Yeah, no, thank you. But once you get to the first floor and everything looks okay, it feels right, you can safely exit the elevator. Okay, great, are you about just help me something else? It's like, oh, but also maybe so this is very interesting. So at any point during this game, if you faint or pass out for whatever reason, you will likely wake up in your own home and not know how you got there. I mean, I guess if you faint, that's probably how it normally works.

20:38 I feel like you'd probably wake up in a hospital room. I guess maybe. I guess it depends on who's there with you. Yeah, and I don't know. But if you suddenly wake up in your own room after playing the elevator game, you didn't know what was happening, it was in the middle of it. You want to make sure again that your check your surroundings, checking your world very carefully to make sure it is your world, okay, and that you're not trapped in in the other dimension okay, just from passing out, all right, from being a scaredy cat.

21:19 Oh my god, this is the worst game ever. And this kind of happens to people that are like a little more susceptible to things, a little more spongy as I like to call it. Mm hmm. Yeah, tell me more about why I shouldn't play this game. I'll be with you if you faint, I'll take care of you. Yeah, except what if, like only my physical body is still with you, and like the other god like conscious parts of you are going somewhere else. What if it's like insidious, where like someone other's soul like takes over your body and you wake up and you're not Caitlin anymore. Okay. Well I've never seen that for obvious reasons, but if you ever watch The OA, there's sort of.

22:03 A similar kind of a thing that happens. So yeah, I think you would really like it the insidious, like because you said the Oay, so like the Insidious. It's about like astral traveling, so they're like their soul leaves their body while they're sleeping and then like other things want to take it over. No, thank you. I'm like, you're like I've got Google fingers. Also, one last thing, Okay, you shouldn't try to play this game too many times. I don't know what the number of well, I don't know what too many times is, but it does make you a little more susceptible to like, you know, accidentally, like a little slippage through to the other side create. Yeah, so if you play it too many times, you might just go crazy, apparently, and start slipping in and out of dimensions.

23:04 Okay, I was gonna say, I mean, oh, all you do is go crazy, Like, come on, we're halfway there. Yeah, I mean crazy. It's not a bad thing, right, but we don't want to be slipping in and out of dimensions, Willy nilly. I don't think so. No, I don't think that I do. No, So you wouldn't play this game with me. I'm pretty sure it's not for me. We should have a Patreon contest where some the winner gets to play the Elevator game with Cassie. There you go, she needs a companion, you guys, because I don't know if you're picking up on this at all as you're listening or watching, but it's probably not in a million fucking years going to be me.

23:48 That's true. I don't know why I said Patreon either. This is going to be in the main feed. So maybe we should have a contest for anybody, everybody, all, all of the nordy people. I'm like creepy people kind of people. Well, yeah, if anyone's interested in playing this game with me and doesn't want to murder me, also, I'm interested, let's do this. Yeah. Okay, h speaking of murdering. Yeah, we have a couple of cards we might want to draw and see what's on them. Do you want to explain what these cards are? They're not Taro. I'm gonna do my best. I haven't really had a chance to engage with these up to this point, so I got a big all stayck of them.

24:34 There you go, and okay. I'll read you the discrruption. It says, crack the case with this deck of one hundred and forty multiple choice trivia questions covering some of the most fascinating crimes and the real life criminals behind them. I love multiple choice, the best kind of test exactly. So it's topics taken from history and pop culture, from cons and heist to unsolved mysteries and more. And this says the game is sure to challenge even the most devoted true crime fans Gie Alan dregsap Dad.

25:20 So should I pull a card and read it for you? I don't know. I'm afraid, Like what if there's one that I don't know? But we can cut it out. There's a lot. If it's embarrassing, we can cut it out, verry. H huh, Okay, I'll pass it over to Yeah, okay, So there's this one sticking out right here. I want It's like I'm pulling tarot, but I'm not. You put them pretty and I just put them back. Oh oh sorry, I thought I thought they were more even, and no, I messed it up. I'm so sorry. Right, well, that looks kind of cool. Oh, like you're censoring my eyes, like like you don't know who I am. I should push the button to change my voice, but I can't get to it fast enough because I don't know where it's at.

26:17 Yeah, we are gonna have to play around with the soundboard thing because there's so much fun. Oh, we will eradicated in twenty thirteen. The notorious silk Road online marketplace was primarily used for what criminal activity? A identity? Theft? B, arms dealing, C, murder for hire or D illegal drug sales? Oh god, I mean I'm pretty sure it was used for all of the above. Will you read the question again? Yes, it's not all of the above, no, I know. Eradicated in twenty thirteen, the notorious silk Road online marketplace was primarily used for what criminal activity? Do you need the answers again?

27:11 Yeah? Go ahead? A identity theft, B, arm stealing, C, murder for higher D illegal drug sales. I think it was primarily the murder for hire. Is that your final answer? I don't know. Are you going to bet a million dollars on this quest? My god? Do you want the fifty to fifty? Okay? Yeah, okay, so the fifty fifty is a identity theft or D illegal drug sales? Okay, it was between the murder for higher and the drug sales. I'm like I said, I think they really used like it was like kind of all of the above.

27:52 Yeah, drug sales, and that's what I that's what I remember from Yeah, yes, that's correct. I was like, are you sure? Is that your final in there? Yeah? Like, I don't know, was it really used for you should do a little episodey on this? Yeah, I mean it's I haven't looked at that super in depth, just because I mean, Internet crimes are always it's super interesting, but it can be really difficult to I mean, number one, it's not necessarily going to be P and W based, which. I'll cover that there would be a link like there's so many Yeah, there should be. Yeah, I mean that one get gosh rolled orc Yeah, I know, I remember watching a documentary on that or it was like a docuseries.

28:39 I don't remember, but yeah, do you want to read the one you pulled for me? Yeah? Okay, so some of you are going to be probably screaming you know the answer. So I will am I not gonna know. I don't know, I'm curious to see. Okay. I think it is fortuitous that this was the one that was kind of flipped. It was flipped up a little bit and I was like, oh, what's this. Then I went to grab it and then I was like, shut the fuck up, I'm gonna read this one for Cassie. Okay, So that's how we got here. It's just like taro. Yeah, okay, what true crime podcast ends with the catchphrase stay sexy and don't get murdered?

29:24 Oh okay, okay, I think I might know. Okay, Cereal Case File my favorite murder or doctor Death. It's my favorite murder. Oh it, you crushed it. Yeah, I've probably seen the stickers. I maybe I think I've heard you say it recently, like within the past month or so. I think you told me that, and I was like, oh they say that, Oh yeah, yeah, no, no, no, what am I trying? No comments? No, yeah, probably the safest. Yeah. Uh. Mixed feelings from from people on that catchphrase.

30:06 I think you know you can see both sides? Do you do? You should we pull another one? Just like one more each. I feel like it's just fun. Unless you want to do more and more, I don't care. I mean more and more. Do you want to do more? More? More and more? That would be more better. I woke up with so much anxiety that I feel like now I'm just insane. I feel like the last couple of recording sessions like we've taken turns or sometimes simultaneously been very punchy. Yeah, just like very I don't know, very off kilter. Yeah it's fun. Okay, Yeah, I grab another one, another one. Oh, doing the intuitive all right, I like it? Yeah, oh this is interesting. Oh oh my god, what you know this one? Okay, this is very interesting. Okay. The twenty month old son of what aviator was kidnapped in March of nineteen thirty two. Oh you mean the Lindbergh baby.

31:13 Say she's going to answer it before she even needs to. Yeah. So the options were A Orville Wright, B John Glenn See Amelia Earhart, which is like, that's okay, okay. So they tried to throw in some names there that are associated with aviation to really like oh yeah, that rings a bell and it's like yeah, because like Orville, he was like he's like one of the right brothers. Orville Redenbacher, right with the popes, the popcorn, right and then you popcorn and then yeah the plane plus Oh that would be cool.

31:54 That is an interesting one because they do have a case coming up that has to do with aviation. Oh yeah, is it Amelia Earhart? I'm obsessed with her. I don't know why, but like I really like her. I mean I think she was such a unique woman in that era, and I think in a lot of ways, like even today, she would stand out as being like really kind of a bold, a bold person. But the fact that it's like it's anything unsolved. Yeah, really, they still don't know what happened to her right as far. I mean my knowledge, I mean, unless they just figured it out yesterday. And nice email us if you know what happened to Amelia. Hello, call this hotline. Do you have any information on the disappearance of Amelia or Heart?

32:47 I mean, we do have a text number. I'm pretty sure that people can reply to us when we send out our little love notes text. Okay, yeah, do it? Do it? I know? Shit, Actually I don't. I don't have it memorized because it's a really weird number. But maybe I will. Uh maybe we'll have to drop that in the show notes. Okay, yeah, yeah, okay, So sign up for a text yeah, and emails also that and patron. And do all the things. Smash that subscribe button. That's like jerking off, I mean that's how you get okay, sorry mom, Verry Mom. This is fucking hilarious. I I just picked one, like right off the top.

33:41 And is it a Lisa Lamb. This one was mad for y'all. Oh, okay, okay, and I think you're gonna see why. And it makes me I feel like it's fortuitous, so embarrassed. If I don't know, I okay, it's possible that you won't, but I feel like this is like almost a little sign out our upcoming creative oh show. Okay, okay, okay, I got it. I gotta just spit out the question or I'm going to just spit I don't. That's not what he said. No, I never do what. US state is home to the Emerald Triangle, a region that has long been associated with large scale illegal marijuana farms.

34:25 California. Oh my god, you guessed it right off, because I've been googling this. This has been on my list of things to talk about. Well, and I was, but then I realized it was more true crime. Well it's kind of both. Yeah, it's kind of both. I knew. Okay, Yeah, so all four multiple choice it was first option is a Oregon, I mean, I get it. Yeah. I wanted to say Washington because like the Emerald, but I was like, no, it's not because yeah, that's one of the options. So it was Oregon, Tennessee, California, and Washington, Tennessee. That's like not even clothes. Well, I think there was an operation, and it might not be Tennessee. I'm probably remembering wrong. Oh, I remembered.

35:12 It's I'm pretty sure Kentucky. Oh chicken, No, it was so you know, have you ever heard about I mean, do you have any familiarity with like Kentucky bluegrass, like the music. Yeah, and then I think, really, I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure they have like a type of actual grass that grows in Kentucky. Okay, it was like music I've heard of her, like actual blue grass. Yeah, I mean it's not it has like a bluish hue to it. But yeah, I'm pretty sure there was an operation where like it got kind of like the weed that they were growing there because it's oh gosh, and I can't remember the specifics of it, but it was popularized and came from like this specific part of Kentucky, like I think up in the mountains, and it just like went crazy because at that point it was like all of the weed was being grown in places like Mexico and California, and you know, kind of.

36:26 The usual suspects if you will. But all of a sudden there's like this, Oh, what's this Kentucky blue Grass? I might have to I might have to look at that one again because that it's kind of interesting. I'm curious why Tennessee, Like what Tennessee has with Emerald things, like is there some sort of. Maybe it's just a misnomer, you know, like something that was it's like the red Herring. M Yeah, I don't know. Just because you said all those other people were connected with like aviations, I'm like, what are real Tennessee. I think they email us let us know. I think that they're just kind of trying to throw in some answers that like seem plausible.

37:07 But that does kind of make you wonder, like what about Tennessee. Yeah, oh, because Nashville, because it gets wild there. That's always the answer if it's a question about Tennesseeville, because she'd be wildin we had a story from someone from Tennessee and the creepy people chronicles maybe they know. Yeah, if you could just right back with any information you have about Nashville, Kentucky Bluegrass, Uh, the Emerald Triangle, Uh what else weed? Yeah, that's what I got out of this conversation. Yeah, well, hey, listen, what does that not?

37:48 I mean, that's funny. I love that and I'm so glad I knew the answer me too. Yeah, okay, I found one. Okay, what Fall River, Massachusetts resident was acquitted of the murder of her father and stepmother in Morton. Pick an easier one, pick a hard. I was like, that was the easy one. Okay, let's see. I don't know. Some of these are a little probably too old. Oh, here we go, speaking of cals.

38:35 Oh, you're gonna stomp me probably on this one. I don't know. You might know this one. In eighteen ninety five, Irish dressmaker Bridget Cleary was murdered by her husband due to his suspicion that she was secretly What a is a ghost, which begs a question like why would you murder? Again? I want that to be the answer, but I don't think that's correct. Be a changeling, ce a demon or d a selky? I feel like you wouldn't have Wait, this is Irish though, right is it the selky? It is not change? Oh? I was like, I don't it's one, It's one of them. Yeah, Oh okay, hold on. I would have you know that if I would have thought about it like a tiny bit more. I do know that changelings are like, it's an Irish thing.

39:37 Yeah, it originates from sort of that part of the UK. Maybe I was mistaking our selky. I think that they're Irish. No, I think you're right. Yeah, I think Selki also, I don't know if it's specifically Irish. It might be, but I do believe. That sort of legend or folklore originates from that region. They're humans with seal skin on. But like changelings are the ones where they they like take them from birth and replace them with like a faery or something. Right, not necessarily from birth, but it can be from it just like from as a child. Yeah, I feel like that is.

40:21 It's a phenomenon that I believe you hear more about happening to children, like often very young children and or babies. That seems right to me. Oh creepy yeah. Okay, there's like one other super easy one that I'm like, that's I can't. I can't with that, But I'll do this one because I think it's one of the more interesting ones of what I have in my hand. Okay, okay. In nineteen twenty five, the Austrian con artist Victor Lustig I'm assuming, received seventy thousand francs in a scheme to do what where is.

41:08 This from again? Austria, Austria. Yeah, A sell the Eiffel Tower. B kidnap Edith poff Ce, rob the Orient Express. Oh, or D steal the Mona Lisa. You really don't know. Yeah, give me the fifty. Okay, So the fifty to fifty is sell the Eiffel Tower or steal the Mona Lisa. I was for some reason going with the Mona Lisa anyway. So I'm just gonna make that my answer wrong. Yeah, that's when we need the soundboard. Yeah. She remembers that button selling the Eiffel Tower. This sounds weird.

41:58 Yeah, I don't know, I don't know how, and goes about doing that exactly. Honestly, I feel like stealing the Mona Lisa is easier than selling in the Eiffel Tower. Yeah, how exactly are you moving that thing? Or maybe was it like to sell the concept of it or. Well maybe he was just saying like, I'm not moving it anywhere, but I will sell it to you. You can own the Eiffel Tower, like it stays put but you own it. So he's like a realtor. I guess, man, I wanted to steal the Mona Lisa, not yea, because art shouldn't be stolen. I mean, listen, the Mona Lisa. She's been through enough.

42:38 Was she stolen before? I believe? So? Yeah? Interesting, Yeah, should do an episode on them. There's been a couple of attempted he of the Mona Lisa for sure. Wasn't there like a thing of I could be completely batshit insane, but like a conspiracy, like she was stolen and they returned, like she was returned, but it's like not actually the original, Like it's a fake that they want people to think. Is theory. I believe there. I believe that is one conspiracy theory that exists that could literally be a conspiracy theory on any stolen art though, so I don't know specific. It's fun to think about.

43:21 Do you want to hear the super Duper Easy one? Yeah? Okay. I was like, I'm gonna pull one more for you now because I feel like we're really okay Okay. The infamous unsolved murder of a woman known as the Black Dahlia occurred in nineteen forty seven in what city do you know? I don't know off the top of my head. But if you give me the option things. Do you want the fifty to fifty? You know what? Actually I feel like that's too easy, like California somewhere right. Yeah, Okay, then I'm going to give you the fifty to fifty. See Los Angeles, California? Do you San Diego, California?

44:03 Sandia? I would say Los Angeles? Yeah? Who says Los Angeles? La? Yeah? I mean well, yeah, for some reason I was gonna say that, but for some reason, there was like something in the back of my mind saying San Francisco. But I don't know why. Huh. But so yeah, I don't know, but yeah, La makes sense. Obviously she was an actress. Yeah, kill me pull one more for you. This sister fun. I know, we just have fun here. I know we're gonna do some more fun stuff with this, for sure. Should we do it Trivia night? Yes, Patrio Patreon trivia Night. That'd be really fun. That would be fun. We're doing it, joined the Patreon. Okay, what service did the disgraced biotech entrepreneur Elizabeth Holmes offer through her fraudulent startup Thorough Nose sharrhosrs. You know it?

44:56 Do you want me to read all the things or do you have a guess? Read the question and again, because I was just going like, hey, oh in my head. What service did the disgraced biotech entrepreneur Elizabeth Holmes offer through her fraudulent startup therenos? So, like, what services did she? Okay, I don't know what this specific wording is that they're going to use, So re meet the options. Okay, telehealth therapy, Okay, everybody knows that's betterhelp. How long ago was this? It doesn't have a year, so I don't know, like how long ago. It's pretty recent. Oh, it's pretty reason that they've actually like wrapped up her trial. Oh okay, oh okay, uh huh so a telehealth therapy.

45:38 B blood tests see biopsies or D genetic testing? Oh my god, it's like they're not even trying it's blood tests it is. I don't know anything about this, so that's interesting. Really, I have no I've never heard of any of this before. Wow. Okay, well when we tost me, we have to end this now so that I can go and find some old interview clips of Miss Elizabeth to show. Cassie, Like, what was she doing with the blood test? That's really the question. Oh god, yeah, yeah, yeah, have a creepy Halloween. Yeah, don't sell fake blood tests, and like, don't do the well, if you do the Elevator game, be very safe. Just don't take a buddy. The simple answer is just don't write down the instructions. Also, maybe don't or just don't unless you're with me, Okay, because I'm a shield and I'll protect it.

46:42 I'm gonna go eat my Chris meat burrito. That's my shield. I'm not gonna eat wine. I'm just kidding. I was like, what