Ghosts of Halloweentown: Spirit of St. Helens

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So do you remember that map of the filming locations that we talked about earlier?

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Yes.

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Well, it'll have more on that map than just locations from fictional movies.

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It also has some real locations of hauntings and dark history.

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Ooh!

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Ooh!

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Okay!

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You can use this map to go on a little fun, spooky, self-guided tour.

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Hi, Caitlyn!

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Hi, Cassie!

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Hi, creepy people!

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Hello!

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If you are new to our creepy corner of the world, this right here is PNW, Haunts and Homicides,

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where we chat about true crime, paranormal, and all things creepy and/or cool and fun in

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the Pacific Northwest.

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And also, we do a tarot rating at the end of every episode for a little bit of deeper

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insight into our topic, so make sure you stick around if you're into that.

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And who wouldn't be?

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So as we record this right now, it is the last day of September.

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Can you fucking believe it?

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Uh, no.

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It's like, where did the time go?

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I know, I refuse.

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I feel like you say that more and more as you get older, but maybe this is me.

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I'm not interested in that trope, but I'm so excited!

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It's time to wake up Green Day!

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We're going to the TGOG show tomorrow!

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I'm so excited!

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Do you know what TGOG stands for?

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Yeah, two girls, one ghost.

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If you guys didn't know, that's what it stands for.

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Yeah!

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We're very excited.

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It's one of my favorite podcasts.

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Also, tomorrow, as we're recording, tomorrow's October 1st, the Halloween display map is

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now live.

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So, as of right now, it's been live for a couple of weeks.

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So make sure to check that out.

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We had a little bonus on it.

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It's a map of really cool, like, Halloween light displays.

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Kind of like you would think of Christmas lights, but it's Halloween style.

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Yeah.

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Are all of them light displays or are some of them just, like, different Halloween decorations?

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I'm sure there's some light involved.

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I'm not really sure, because nighttime?

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Yeah, it's night.

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Yeah.

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But I'm--

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It's "gark" outside, you guys.

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Yeah, oh my gosh!

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You said that twice today.

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Hey, listen, it's a shoe fits.

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If it's "gark" outside.

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Well, should we get into it?

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Yeah.

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So we talked about this briefly in last year's Scary Fun in the PNW.

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Ooh!

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Do you remember that episode?

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I do, yeah.

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We just kind of jumped around the Pacific Northwest, talked about a few different things.

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So to get into the spirit of Halloween, we're going to go a bit more in depth on one

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of those today.

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Jump in the tour bus with me, Caitlyn.

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Let's go!

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I would like to know where we're going first.

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Room, room, room.

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Oh, it's always fun with me.

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I'm talking about-- today we'll be visiting a little town of about 14,000, just under 30

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miles north of Portland.

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This is a port city on the Columbia, right across from Washington.

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You're like, "I have ideas."

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Yeah, I've got guesses.

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When the town was purchased in 1847, it was named Plymouth.

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Okay.

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It was actually obvious reasons.

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Yeah, I think so.

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It's not like some-- it's not a history podcast, folks.

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I won't get into that, I promise.

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This isn't boring facts.

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No, I mean, hey!

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Yeah, don't you dare.

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That's my segment.

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But then the name changed only a year later to Cassino.

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Oh!

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After a Chinookan Chief.

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Chief Cassino.

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I looked up-- there's a ton of different spellings of this.

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I was trying to figure out how to pronounce it, and then one of them just rode out Casino,

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and I was like, "Oh, I guess it's pronounced Casino."

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So--

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Interesting.

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Is that where Casino's come from?

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Literally my next sentence.

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But we're not getting into that.

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My next thought.

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It's not that's not what the episode's about.

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We'll get into it in maybe another time.

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Okay.

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Maybe one of you creepy people can do a research paper on it.

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Yeah, you can.

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I like that.

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Then two years later, the name of the town changed again.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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I know.

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This one finally stuck, though.

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All right.

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St. Helens.

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"Due to the gorgeous view of the active Mount St. Helens volcano in the distance."

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No.

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It's fucking active.

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I looked to the sub because I originally wrote "dormant," and I was like, "Wait, is it?"

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And I looked it up and, "Oh, it's active."

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That's wishful thinking.

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She's active.

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I've ever heard of it.

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I was like, "I have..."

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We talked about this earlier.

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I have an irrational fear of volcanoes.

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And I just don't want to think about it.

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I mean, but who doesn't?

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If you're not worried about hot lava...

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Yeah.

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I said it's...

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For the...

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For the...

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Like, it's on my mind every day.

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Like, a volcano passes my mind every day.

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Yeah.

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Lava.

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Do you know what I think about a lot?

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And it's not unrelated.

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Is the Cascadia subduction zone?

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Abduction zone?

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Is that like the earthquake thing?

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Yeah.

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I like it.

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Okay.

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All I am.

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It's everything's fine, you guys.

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We're here now.

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Yeah.

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Let's make the most of it.

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For how long?

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Let's talk about St. Helens.

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Yeah.

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The fun stuff.

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I know.

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Oh, sorry.

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Yep.

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Quit killing my vibe.

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I'm so sorry.

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So it's right across the Columbia River in Washington.

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And I'm not sure the distance as the crow flies.

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But it's about an 86 mile drive northeast according to the Google Map Gods.

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Okay.

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So the reason I say that is because you can't just like drive over the river.

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I guess there's no bridge right there.

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You can't do that.

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So to get to St. Helens, you got to like go up north and over a bridge and then like

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back down and over the river and through the woods and...

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Yeah.

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...to Batsquatch's house we go.

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It's a whole thing.

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So do you remember that that's how that's like where the legend of Batsquatch was born?

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In St. Helens.

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Yeah.

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He was birthed from the eruption in 1980.

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Oh, okay.

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Now that you say that, it makes sense.

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I was like, "What?"

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You know what?

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I feel like with Batsquatch being your boyfriend, Caitlyn, you should know where he came from.

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Oh, yeah.

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That's right.

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Yeah.

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No, you know what?

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Here's the thing is I still think of Clyde as my...

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Claud.

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Claud.

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See you don't know their names.

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Whatever his name is.

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Listen.

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Okay.

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It's sort of a T-Swift situation here.

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You're a paranormal fuck boy.

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Speaking of, I made a playlist based off of the Jesse Driskill situation with the ghost

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of a Texas ladies man.

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I was like trying to think of the title.

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Yeah.

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So I made a playlist off of that for Patreon.

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Love it.

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But I got a blank space for ya, baby.

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It was fun.

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So we talked about how the town of St. Helens puts on the spirit of Halloween every year.

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Throughout September and October, they decorate the town, most famously with the giant pumpkin

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from the Disney movie, Halloweentown, obsessed, yes, in the courthouse plaza, which they light

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on the first Saturday in October, right after the big Halloween parade.

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And that falls on October 7th this year.

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I know.

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And the magical jack-a-lantern stays lit for the rest of the month.

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Oh my God.

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I don't want to be on our town on that day.

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I was like, is this where you tell me that's why you're out of town?

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No.

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I'm going to see my great-grandma.

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Yeah, that's right.

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I know that.

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I know these things.

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And I still was like, she's going to the great pumpkin.

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But I will be by the hot lake hotel, which I visited a few times.

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So we might stop again.

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We like to stop there.

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Do you remember?

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I think I've told you the story about the pumpkin that I won when I was in kindergarten.

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You won a pumpkin?

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I won an enormous pumpkin.

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Like a real pumpkin?

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A real pumpkin.

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Bigger than you, probably.

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Oh, yeah, which wouldn't be hard to do back then

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If you think I'm short now, whoo.

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Go back to kindergarten.

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Why are they giving children giant pumpkins?

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I don't know.

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It literally weighted down the car.

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Oh my God.

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The back end was sagging.

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I would be pissed if I was your mom.

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Oh, I think my parents were pretty, pretty pissed.

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What the fuck?

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What are we going to do with this?

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Exactly.

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Well, they put it in my aunts yard.

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It was like, if I recall, I think a 467-pound pumpkin.

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Oh, my God.

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It was huge.

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There's a picture of me with it somewhere.

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I will see if I can track it down for you.

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Wow.

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Yes, please.

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It's fucking adorable.

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I was a stop sign that year.

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Oh, like a literal stop sign?

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Yeah.

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Oh, my God.

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Like an actual stop sign.

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That is so cute.

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Yeah.

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Were you red?

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Did you paint your face red?

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No.

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It was literally just like a costume that like you put on, but they didn't do like face

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paint or anything.

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But I had, like, that was when I was still young enough that I had pretty red hair.

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Did you pick it?

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I have no idea.

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Like what?

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Stop sign is like the most random.

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I am so weird.

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I have to imagine that was somebody else's like one of my cousins costumes made me.

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I want to be a stop sign.

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I want to be a stop sign.

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It does sound like a kid thing to say.

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Yeah, maybe.

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I don't know.

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I might have to do a little bit of follow up with my mom on that.

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We'll see what we can find out.

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So St. Helens is actually where they shot a lot of the movie, Halloween Town, as well

271
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as some of the scenes in Twilight, which being a rat, I'm obsessed with that and I had

272
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to bring it up.

273
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Any excuse to bring up Twilight?

274
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Naturally.

275
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There is a map I will link with a bunch of the filming locations from both movies.

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Speaking of Twilight.

277
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Oh, they have a whole Twilight weekend.

278
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That's fine.

279
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It already passed.

280
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So don't get too excited, but maybe next year.

281
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All right.

282
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I can go.

283
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I see how it is.

284
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I see how it is.

285
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Well, I don't know.

286
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Do you want to come with me?

287
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You don't seem not excited.

288
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Do I not?

289
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I feel like my voice says nothing if not excitement.

290
00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:05,320
Yes.

291
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I think they have some of the actors come and do like meet and greets and stuff.

292
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So that would be pretty cool.

293
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Oh, hey.

294
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But it might be kind of packed.

295
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I don't know.

296
00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:14,680
I don't like people that much like.

297
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Yeah.

298
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No.

299
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You.

300
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We'll see.

301
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But this year is also the 25th anniversary of Halloweentown.

302
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And Sophie and Dylan and Luke and Marney are going to be there.

303
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Oh, my Gourd.

304
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So visit the website, spiritofhalloweentown.com for all the scheduling and pricing details.

305
00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:39,240
So you can go to the town and walk around and see stuff, but they do have ticketed events,

306
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which I assume like the Twilight stuff and all of that is ticketed.

307
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So go check it out if you want to know.

308
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Okay.

309
00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:51,520
But some of the spooky fun includes haunted houses.

310
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Obviously, they got to have one.

311
00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:54,720
I think they just have one.

312
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I said plural, but I think there's just one.

313
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All right.

314
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They have haunted hot rods.

315
00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:01,920
Okay.

316
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And something called the great big Halloween exhibit.

317
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Okay.

318
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Which sounds fun.

319
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Yes.

320
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Yes.

321
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And they have a flippin' resident mermaid named Una. shut up.

322
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They have a mermaid you guys.

323
00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:17,360
What?

324
00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,080
They say they have magical unicorns.

325
00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:21,080
Okay.

326
00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:25,120
Which I'm really interested to see if they're just like a pony with a horn strapped to its head.

327
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Yeah.

328
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Okay.

329
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I'm going to write a couple of key notes down here.

330
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So we have what was that a magical unicorn?

331
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Yes.

332
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Mermaid Una promises have been made.

333
00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,440
Quick aside, our mermaid live was so fucking cute and fun.

334
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I know.

335
00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:45,920
It was so much fun.

336
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And then we watched the new little mermaid after we did a whole mermaid day was a whole

337
00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:53,520
flippin day.

338
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It was so fun.

339
00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:55,520
I get it.

340
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Flippin.

341
00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:57,520
Yes.

342
00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:58,520
I said earlier too.

343
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And we gave away a gorgeous mermaid postcard that we picked up from the peculiarium.

344
00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:04,240
Yes.

345
00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,480
It was a whale of a good time.

346
00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,480
Oh, you.

347
00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,400
Anyway, back to St. helens.

348
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349
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Yes.

350
00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:20,000
So the spirit of Halloween also includes an alien interview and museum of peculiarities and

351
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oddities.

352
00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:22,000
Oh, just like all of that.

353
00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:23,000
Yeah.

354
00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:28,880
And I'm going to read a quote describing this quote from the website.

355
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The new feature will be a must see for anyone who has questions for resident alien.

356
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We have been able to connect with an alien who has agreed to answer questions in this

357
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audience based attraction.

358
00:13:43,560 --> 00:13:50,360
The alien comes to us from a distant galaxy and will appear in a mind blowing holodeck.

359
00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:55,920
Ooh, lucky audience members will be able to ask our alien direct questions and get the

360
00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,640
answers that they've been looking for.

361
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This is a very limited attraction.

362
00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:04,520
So get your tickets early. end quote, I want to go.

363
00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:05,520
I want to go.

364
00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:07,240
I need I have questions.

365
00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:08,240
Yes.

366
00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,520
we were literally just saying we have questions.

367
00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,240
I need answers.

368
00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:16,360
And you know, we don't know for sure if this is a real alien, but I'm willing to take the

369
00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:17,360
chance.

370
00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,160
It's a possibility.

371
00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:20,440
Aliens are real.

372
00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:21,440
They are.

373
00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,960
This one probably not.

374
00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:33,800
The last fun event I want to mention is on October 27th, 28th and 29th, witches celebration,

375
00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:37,520
witches on the water, witches beer fest.

376
00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:39,640
I know.

377
00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:41,240
I want to go.

378
00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:42,240
Can we go?

379
00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,600
I really want to go.

380
00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,160
This is a quote from their website.

381
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Loads of witches throughout the day will jump into town here and there.

382
00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:57,720
Enjoy the fun, including Ursula Maleficent, the wicked witch, Glinda the Good Witch, Ariel

383
00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:59,680
was, Ariel's not a witch.

384
00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:00,680
And others.

385
00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,360
I mean, isn't she though?

386
00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,280
She's mermaid.

387
00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,160
But she did the witchy stuff.

388
00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:09,080
I mean, Ursula did the witchy stuff.

389
00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,480
I mean, yeah, she was a participant.

390
00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:12,920
Does that make her a witch?

391
00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,200
Oh, we always say everyone can be a witch.

392
00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,400
So maybe I guess mermaid could be witches too.

393
00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:23,560
It's funny because I will argue that Ariel is definitely a witch.

394
00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,320
She was a, she was participating.

395
00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:26,320
Okay.

396
00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,520
She was complicit in witchery.

397
00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,440
And that was like my favorite all-time movie.

398
00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:32,440
She's a witch.

399
00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:33,680
It was my first favorite.

400
00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:34,680
She did blow.

401
00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:35,680
Yeah.

402
00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:37,680
She's a witch.

403
00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,160
I see what you did there.

404
00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,720
Okay, finishing the quote, because I didn't finish it yet.

405
00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:43,720
Yeah, sorry.

406
00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:48,440
Witches on the water weekend is extra special with our paddling witches floating down

407
00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,200
the river on their boards.

408
00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:51,520
It's a famous spectacle.

409
00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:55,040
We are honored to receive, end quote.

410
00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,520
And we talked about this in the scary fun episode.

411
00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,560
I think it was a different location.

412
00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:01,560
Yes.

413
00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:03,800
So they go to a new location every year?

414
00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:11,360
I think that there's more than one celebration because if I'm mistaken, forgive me, but I

415
00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:12,720
think that we talked about it.

416
00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:16,520
They do it somewhere here in Portland, where they paddle on the water.

417
00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:17,760
We need to take up paddle boarding.

418
00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:18,760
Yeah.

419
00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:19,760
And be a part of this.

420
00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,640
I hear it takes an incredible amount of core strength.

421
00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:24,720
So working on that core.

422
00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:25,720
Yeah.

423
00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:27,080
No pain, no champagne.

424
00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,360
I mean, can we just skip to the champagne?

425
00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,400
Like is there somebody else who could paddle board?

426
00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,880
And just like all sit on the board with the champagne?

427
00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:37,880
Is that?

428
00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:38,880
That's perfect.

429
00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:40,960
Is that a ticketed thing?

430
00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,120
I would pay for that.

431
00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:44,640
New business idea.

432
00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:45,640
Yeah.

433
00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:46,640
Woo.

434
00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:47,640
TMTM.

435
00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:53,200
So do you remember that map of the filming locations that we talked about earlier?

436
00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:54,200
Yes.

437
00:16:54,200 --> 00:17:02,720
Well, it'll have more on that map than just locations from fictional movies.

438
00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:07,200
It also has some real locations of hauntings and dark history.

439
00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:08,200
Ooh.

440
00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:09,200
Ooh.

441
00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:10,200
Okay.

442
00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:15,640
So you can use this map to go on a little fun, spooky, self-guided tour.

443
00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:16,840
I'm down.

444
00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:17,840
Maybe.

445
00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:18,840
Actually, hold on.

446
00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:19,840
I want to see the map first.

447
00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:20,840
I know.

448
00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:21,840
I was like, wait, you're done.

449
00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:22,840
Okay, let's go.

450
00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:23,840
I don't know.

451
00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:24,840
Sometimes I get excited.

452
00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:25,840
Passion on this.

453
00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:27,160
I think it's my excitement rubs off on you.

454
00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:28,160
Yeah, a little bit.

455
00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:29,160
I'm excited.

456
00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,000
Well, that's how I hype you up to do anything spooky.

457
00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,000
Yeah.

458
00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,360
One of the stops is the town's waterfront.

459
00:17:37,360 --> 00:17:39,880
And this is going to be quoting the map.

460
00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:45,560
Even before the city of St. Helens was established in the late 1800s, the waterfront area

461
00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:49,720
was a bustling port receiving ships from far away seas.

462
00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:55,560
Longshoremen, boat builders, loggers and blacksmiths resided there.

463
00:17:55,560 --> 00:18:01,440
Henry Knighton, the city's founder, along with investors and workers moving west, believed

464
00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:06,760
that the town would surpass the newly established city of Portland.

465
00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:10,200
Well, we'll see.

466
00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:17,880
Continuing quote, but after the Pacific mail docks and many buildings burned in two fires,

467
00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:22,520
Pacific mail was persuaded to move to Portland.

468
00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:24,720
Their dreams didn't work out.

469
00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:26,040
Not so much.

470
00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,720
Continuing quote, sorry, this is a long quote you guys.

471
00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:33,600
Work on new docks was suspended and the docks fell to decay.

472
00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:34,600
Oh no.

473
00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:35,600
I know.

474
00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:42,320
Proof that Portland's early business elite may have been responsible, never surfaced, but

475
00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:49,120
immediate and lasting suspicion casts a shadow on the riverfront district.

476
00:18:49,120 --> 00:18:53,000
So they were implying that Portland sabotage St. Helens.

477
00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:57,200
That sounds like very Portland of that era.

478
00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:58,200
Yes.

479
00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,320
It seems like, I buy that.

480
00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:07,320
I don't know why, but it's reminding me of the Pittock Mansion episode where he wrote in

481
00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:11,680
the big newspaper and sabotaged the other guy, don't remember his name, but for the mayor

482
00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:12,680
thing.

483
00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:13,680
Yeah.

484
00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:20,440
I'm trying to think it also takes me back to when we talked about Mary Leonard.

485
00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,320
She was the first female lawyer in Portland.

486
00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:24,320
Yeah.

487
00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:25,320
That's right.

488
00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:29,800
There's a couple of episodes that we've talked about some of the old timey history of Portland

489
00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,520
and she's shady.

490
00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:39,160
We should have a new podcast called Sabotage.

491
00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,360
Sabotage and shady Portland history.

492
00:19:42,360 --> 00:19:43,360
Yeah.

493
00:19:43,360 --> 00:19:44,360
Let's do it.

494
00:19:44,360 --> 00:19:46,960
And we have to do it just like that.

495
00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:51,640
Like we're like old timey radio disjockeys.

496
00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:52,640
Okay.

497
00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,280
That's going to take some study for me.

498
00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,280
That's a really good into character.

499
00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,600
I'm going to find you a dude, bro.

500
00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,120
You're going to find me a time machine.

501
00:20:02,120 --> 00:20:03,120
Tutor.

502
00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:04,120
Yeah.

503
00:20:04,120 --> 00:20:07,600
Are you ready for our next stop on the tour?

504
00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:08,600
Maybe.

505
00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:09,600
The Courthouse.

506
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:10,600
Oh, yeah.

507
00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:11,600
Okay.

508
00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:12,600
I know you're like, oh, Courthouse lawyers.

509
00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:13,600
Yes, I got it.

510
00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:14,600
Okay.

511
00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:24,080
This might actually be a story for you later.

512
00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:25,480
Bring them up again.

513
00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:31,320
The Rose and Trellis across from the plaza give no hint of the hanging that happened here

514
00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,560
where the gallows once stood.

515
00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:34,800
No, thank you.

516
00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:35,800
Yeah.

517
00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:36,800
Oh, boy.

518
00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,520
So she haunted.

519
00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:43,800
She might be because a murder occurred in the town in 1902.

520
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:49,400
And to this day, it remains a question if the man convicted and hung for the murder was

521
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:50,400
actually guilty.

522
00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:51,400
Oh, boy.

523
00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:55,240
So I'm going to need you to investigate this and do an episode.

524
00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:56,240
Okay.

525
00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:57,240
I'm on it.

526
00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,000
I'm going to start my research right now.

527
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:00,000
Okay.

528
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,000
I was like, I can give you more.

529
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:05,480
There's more information on the map brochure thing, but I don't want to give too much

530
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,880
away because I want to hear about it later.

531
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,920
Don't tell the people all my secrets.

532
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:11,320
Yeah, exactly.

533
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:15,320
Another stop on the map is the Columbia Theater.

534
00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:19,920
This is on the map because it was in both Halloween, town and twilight.

535
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:20,920
Oh.

536
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:25,560
There's nothing on the map about it being haunted, but searching elsewhere.

537
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:31,280
I found that a ghost of an elderly man resides there and you may spot him sitting up in the

538
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:32,280
balcony of the theater.

539
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,280
Oh, that's kind of cute.

540
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:35,280
I know.

541
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:39,200
He's just still enjoying shows hanging out.

542
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:40,200
Being old.

543
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,120
Being old.

544
00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:46,840
There's one other spot, not on the map that I want to mention because I found it in some

545
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,640
people's comments.

546
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:49,640
Ooh.

547
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:54,640
So apparently Saint Helen's high school is haunted.

548
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,880
There is a tricksy ghost named Vera who haunts the auditorium.

549
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,480
Oh, no.

550
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,720
I wouldn't have graduated.

551
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:06,360
Well, I feel, okay, let me say this and then we'll get there.

552
00:22:06,360 --> 00:22:07,360
Okay.

553
00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:13,520
So Vera messes with the lighting and other shenanigans, but I feel like every school auditorium

554
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,520
was haunted.

555
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,160
We were told that our auditorium was haunted.

556
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,160
Yeah, I just pretended it wasn't.

557
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,280
I was like, the school was built like six days ago.

558
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:24,280
It was pretty new.

559
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,680
So I was like, how did this room or even get started?

560
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:27,680
But like, I know.

561
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,720
So I kind of feel like every auditorium is haunted.

562
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:31,720
Could be haunted though.

563
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:36,960
I think it's maybe slightly because maybe kids don't know how to work tech that well, but

564
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:38,720
you know, they're learning.

565
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,720
That's what they're in school for.

566
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:41,720
No offense, techies.

567
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,360
They're all going to come after me.

568
00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:46,360
No.

569
00:22:46,360 --> 00:22:48,120
No, our best friends are techies.

570
00:22:48,120 --> 00:22:55,560
Our final resting place on the tour is the Klondike restaurant and bar in the historic

571
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,200
old town area of St. Helens.

572
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:02,080
Some people in the comments and stuff were saying it was closed, but they have a website

573
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,360
and it appears to be open on when I Google Maps it.

574
00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:07,160
So I assume it's open.

575
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:08,480
Maybe that was during COVID.

576
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:09,480
It might have been.

577
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:10,480
It might have been.

578
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,960
So I don't know if it like closed for a little bit and then opened, but we should go and

579
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,520
see if it's open.

580
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,520
You might not want to go.

581
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,520
I don't know.

582
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,000
We'll think about it.

583
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:28,760
The building is Victorian style and in the past has been a hotel in brothel.

584
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,240
Are they all?

585
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:31,240
Yes.

586
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:32,760
Salacious.

587
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:38,960
Remember those long, shorman boat builders, loggers and blacksmiths from the waterfront?

588
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,000
I guess so.

589
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,480
Those were some of the same people that frequented the Klondike.

590
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:45,480
You don't say?

591
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:46,480
Yeah.

592
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,480
You need to somewhere to stay, you know?

593
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:49,480
Yeah, sure.

594
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:50,480
You get their broth alone?

595
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:51,480
Yeah.

596
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:52,980
Okay.

597
00:23:52,980 --> 00:23:56,720
I want credit for not saying seamen FYI.

598
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:57,720
Okay.

599
00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:58,720
All right.

600
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:05,800
Multiple people, even some locals, reporting apparitions in hearing unexplainable voices

601
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,120
and otherwise empty areas of the restaurant.

602
00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:10,960
No, thank you.

603
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:19,540
One specific apparition is a man in a classic lumberjack red and black flannel sitting in the

604
00:24:19,540 --> 00:24:20,540
booth.

605
00:24:20,540 --> 00:24:21,540
Sitting in a booth.

606
00:24:21,540 --> 00:24:22,540
Okay, I.

607
00:24:22,540 --> 00:24:26,800
That's what it felt like.

608
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:27,800
Yeah.

609
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:28,800
Maybe I'm picking it up vibes.

610
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:29,800
I don't know.

611
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,800
I feel like I'm like blushing.

612
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,960
I'm kind of attracted to this mans.

613
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,960
I was going to say you are blushing can verify.

614
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:38,960
Oh my gosh.

615
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,800
I just like I'm so into the lumberjacks.

616
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,720
That's so funny because I was just sitting here thinking, yeah, like the lumber core.

617
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,720
What's that?

618
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:47,720
Lumber core?

619
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:48,720
Like cottage core?

620
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:54,400
Yeah, like lumberjack core is not really, it's not really my vibe, but it's my thing.

621
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,160
I live in the best state.

622
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:57,160
Yeah.

623
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:58,160
Yeah.

624
00:24:58,160 --> 00:24:59,160
You really do.

625
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:04,520
So this lumberjack man's, he's sitting in a booth, but when the server comes over to take

626
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,160
his order, poof, he's gone.

627
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:11,360
Okay, well, that's not polite.

628
00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:12,760
He's a paranormal fuck boy.

629
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:13,760
I.

630
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:14,760
Yeah.

631
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,920
I mean, he hasn't ordered anything, so he's not running out on the check, right?

632
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:18,920
Yeah.

633
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:19,920
That's true.

634
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:20,920
But I don't know.

635
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:21,920
That we know of anyway.

636
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:22,920
Yeah.

637
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:23,920
I'm just saying.

638
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:24,920
I don't know.

639
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:29,600
Also, apparently you still need caffeine in the afterlife because there is a coffee pot

640
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,400
that turns on by unseen hands.

641
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:33,400
Great.

642
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,720
So you're telling me that I will be tired even when I'm dead.

643
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:37,720
Apparently yes.

644
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,480
That's what it looks like.

645
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:40,800
That tracks.

646
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:41,800
That's.

647
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:50,040
They warned us about adulting and they said we'll get rest when we're dead.

648
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,040
They lie.

649
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:52,040
Yeah.

650
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,880
That's the part that's two truths in a lie.

651
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,960
Also, that's such a great marketing strategy though for coffee.

652
00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:58,960
It's so good.

653
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,880
You'll want it even after you die.

654
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,880
Ooh.

655
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:05,880
Ghost Alley espresso.

656
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:06,880
Ooh.

657
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:11,760
I was thinking, did we just develop our own coffee line?

658
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,400
Ghost coffee.

659
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,960
It's like you can't even see it.

660
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:16,960
Yeah.

661
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:17,960
But you can order it.

662
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:18,960
Yeah.

663
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,080
It's a digital purchase.

664
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:27,440
I also hope like someone's not just setting the timer on the coffee pot, but whatever.

665
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,880
I feel like they would have looked into that.

666
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:30,880
I feel like too.

667
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:31,880
Yeah.

668
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,720
You got to explore all the possibilities.

669
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:34,720
Yeah.

670
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:35,720
Sure.

671
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:40,200
So, employees have experienced other electronics malfunctioning.

672
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,720
They will randomly turn on and off.

673
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,720
And for instance, the volume of the radio will turn up and down for no reason.

674
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:48,720
Hmm.

675
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,720
Don't mess with my tunes.

676
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,760
Don't touch another man's radio.

677
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,720
I know you're like jamming and then it goes down, but maybe it turns up and you're like,

678
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:57,720
yeah.

679
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:58,720
Turn it.

680
00:26:58,720 --> 00:26:59,720
Turn it up.

681
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:00,720
Yeah.

682
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,280
When people mess with their stuff, they're never like, oh, yeah.

683
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:04,280
It's always like.

684
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:05,280
Hmm.

685
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,760
They're doing the Ross, the motioning of the take it down a notch.

686
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:10,760
Yeah.

687
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,280
Maybe they're ghosty, ears hurt.

688
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:13,880
So they want to turn the radio down.

689
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:14,880
Oh my God.

690
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,240
You and your ghost problems.

691
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:19,240
Drink some more coffee.

692
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:20,240
Yeah.

693
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,000
Orbs have been spotted.

694
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,000
Okay.

695
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:30,360
Things from light bulbs to picture frames have been knocked down and or broken.

696
00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:33,000
So, you know, there's some kind of like poltergeistie.

697
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,000
Yeah.

698
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:40,120
I don't, there's a lot of action of like physically touching and moving things and I really care

699
00:27:40,120 --> 00:27:41,120
for that.

700
00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:43,120
I'll be honest.

701
00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:46,320
There's no reports of like touching people, which is good.

702
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:47,840
It's just mostly electronics.

703
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:48,840
Yeah.

704
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:49,840
That would be ideal.

705
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:50,840
Yeah.

706
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:51,840
Maybe don't touch me.

707
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:52,840
Please.

708
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:53,840
And thank you.

709
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:54,840
Yeah.

710
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:55,840
Boundaries, you know?

711
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:56,840
We're going to cleanse the house after this.

712
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:57,840
Yeah.

713
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,200
I probably need a good cleansing too.

714
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,200
You a dirty girl.

715
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:03,200
Got a dirty mouth.

716
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:04,200
clean it up with orbit.

717
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,680
You need some orbit up in this bitch.

718
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:12,200
Just throw gum at the wall.

719
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:17,200
That's like a hilarious misunderstanding.

720
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,240
There's a cosmic misunderstanding.

721
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:24,840
I'm going to keep handfuls of orbit in my pocket to throw a ghost.

722
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:25,840
Yeah.

723
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,680
Put it in shotguns like the salt and supernatural.

724
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:30,680
Yeah.

725
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:31,680
Yeah.

726
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:32,680
We just did a thing.

727
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,680
Yeah, we did.

728
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,720
Paranormal investigators have visited the Klondike.

729
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:42,280
It's even appeared on ghost hunters and paranormal state.

730
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:47,760
No, I didn't hunt down the episodes to watch them, unfortunately.

731
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:53,160
But you know, if anyone else does, let me know if it's good or not.

732
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:58,440
But it said that when most investigators go to the second floor, they pick up on some

733
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:03,760
sort of unpleasant altercation that happened there.

734
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,000
Great.

735
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,280
Some have even caught EVPs.

736
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,080
No.

737
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,240
We should go to a different floor.

738
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:13,240
You don't want to hear EVPs?

739
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,040
They're my favorite.

740
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,880
I try to show them to you all the time, but you just say you don't hear them.

741
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:24,200
Hey, listen.

742
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,200
That's what you say.

743
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:26,200
Hey, listen.

744
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,200
Listen, Linda.

745
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:34,520
They even got video evidence of the coffee pot starting by itself.

746
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:35,520
Really?

747
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:36,520
Yes.

748
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,520
I did not see this evidence.

749
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:39,520
Okay.

750
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:40,920
We might have to track that down.

751
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:41,920
I know.

752
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,400
I want to find some shit.

753
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:44,400
That's worth a gander.

754
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:49,240
I'm not sure if like the ghost hunters or paranormal state, like the stuff that was on TV

755
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,000
caught it or if it was just independent ghost hunters.

756
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,040
Yeah, because that doesn't really make for great TV.

757
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,040
The coffee pot starting?

758
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:58,720
That would be pretty cool.

759
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,040
It would be, but if you think about it, like if you're just switching channels and you're

760
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:07,840
trying to decide what to watch and you flip and it's literally just an image of like

761
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:08,840
a coffee pot starting.

762
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,000
You're like, fuck is this?

763
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,040
But it's got the dramatic music.

764
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:17,400
It's in the night time vision so it looks spooky.

765
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,680
Probably Zak in the background.

766
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:20,680
yelling at demons.

767
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,680
We'll fuck out.

768
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,840
What would he yell at the coffee pot, you think?

769
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,960
God, what's one of his catchphrases?

770
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,320
I know he has some.

771
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:33,320
I don't know.

772
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,320
It's just like very taunting.

773
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:36,320
Yeah.

774
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:37,320
What?

775
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:38,320
You don't like coffee?

776
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:39,320
What?

777
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:47,280
I'm gonna put a full cup of coffee right here and you just thought right in my face.

778
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:51,120
It is, oh Zak.

779
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:52,120
Oh man.

780
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,640
I think if I were there and that was how things played out, I think it was a lot of fun.

781
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:01,960
I think I would just, I'd try to like sneak my arm and grab the coffee and then just,

782
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,880
"Fuck, my God, that ghost!"

783
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,600
She was a demon.

784
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,120
Definitely wasn't me.

785
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:10,120
Caitlyn is a demon.

786
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,200
Yeah, a little bit.

787
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:20,560
So as for this altercation, some stories say that a woman tragically miscarried upstairs.

788
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:25,440
I'm not sure when in history this might have happened but I assume it was before it

789
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:26,880
was a restaurant bar.

790
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,520
So like back in the hotel brothel days.

791
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,600
Yeah, that would make sense.

792
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:36,760
There are, of course, the sounds of ghostly children.

793
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:37,760
Okay.

794
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:38,760
Caitlyn, favorite.

795
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:44,760
I feel like I've made my thoughts and feelings on this topic very clear.

796
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,000
I'm sorry, I can't control the ghosts.

797
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:53,160
Well, yeah, I guess they're in lies the problem.

798
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:59,480
You might hear the sounds of children playing, laughing and probably doing that high-pitched

799
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,280
play scream that kids like to do that are fucking hate.

800
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,280
I don't even like that when they're alive.

801
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:05,280
I know.

802
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:13,680
But the owner encountered a little boy who questioned dad before disappearing.

803
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:14,680
Okay.

804
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:15,680
Not your dad.

805
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:16,680
Not your daddy.

806
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:17,680
Yeah.

807
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:18,680
Not the daddy.

808
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,800
You are not the father.

809
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,680
There's even been an EVP caught of a little girl crying.

810
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:26,680
Mommy!

811
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:27,680
Okay.

812
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:28,680
Mommy!

813
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:35,280
I don't need a different room because there appears to be a child here and I didn't bring

814
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:36,520
any.

815
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:37,520
Not here.

816
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:38,520
It's at the Klondike.

817
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:39,520
We're not there.

818
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:40,520
No, I mean, not at the Klondike.

819
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:41,520
No, only their spirit.

820
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:42,520
Oh, yeah.

821
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,120
I mean, like if I were staying there.

822
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:46,120
Oh, okay.

823
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,200
I don't think it's a hotel anymore.

824
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,600
I think it's just a restaurant now.

825
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:51,600
Probably for the best.

826
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,440
Hopefully you wouldn't be staying the night.

827
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,400
I guess if you were investigating.

828
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:57,400
Yeah.

829
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,400
Which, oh, I.

830
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,680
You know?

831
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:09,280
There were a few comments on the only in your state article from past employees and people

832
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:14,880
who knew staff members all agreeing about the paranormal activity there.

833
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:20,320
There's one quote from those comments that I want to end on.

834
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,800
I used to work at the Klondike.

835
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:28,560
Very much saw Lady looking out the window when I was outside having a cigarette.

836
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:33,880
As you walk down the basement stairs, if you listen carefully, you can hear children crying.

837
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:34,880
No.

838
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,080
There are also tunnels underneath the building.

839
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:40,080
Okay.

840
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,080
Very real.

841
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,080
Rumor has it.

842
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:48,520
It used to be a brothel and the abortion clinic was in the basement.

843
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:53,240
Well, that kind of makes sense based on what's going on upstairs.

844
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:54,240
Yeah.

845
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:55,240
Oh, no.

846
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,040
They said sad, which I agree.

847
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:03,480
I didn't really think of that kind of thing because you have to assume in brothels that

848
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,560
there's going to be accidental pregnancies, right?

849
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:07,560
One might assume.

850
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:08,560
Yeah.

851
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:13,920
Or even it's very logical that there was a pregnancy and, you know, like they said, the

852
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,160
woman upstairs maybe miscarried.

853
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:21,960
It's very possible if it was a brothel that those things happened.

854
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:22,960
Definitely.

855
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:23,960
Yeah.

856
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,000
So, I mean, sorry to end on kind of a sad note, but...

857
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,720
Oh, no.

858
00:34:28,720 --> 00:34:31,160
Should we go to more happier things?

859
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:32,160
Like, tarot?

860
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:33,160
Yeah.

861
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:34,160
Tarot?

862
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:35,160
Yeah.

863
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:36,160
See, I wasn't too bad.

864
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:37,160
Tarot.

865
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:44,840
Also, before we recorded this, I got a text from a friend and she sent me this picture.

866
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,480
Let me show you really quick so I can get your reaction.

867
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:49,480
Where are they?

868
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:50,480
Halloweentown.

869
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,480
They're in St. Helens.

870
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,680
They're literally at the spirit of Halloween.

871
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,160
What a bunch of dicks.

872
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:57,160
I know.

873
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,120
I didn't even get invited.

874
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:00,120
Yeah.

875
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,400
But how funny it is that I'm talking about it today.

876
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:03,400
They had no clue.

877
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,720
And then they sent me a picture of them there.

878
00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:08,600
I was not connecting the dots.

879
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,800
Oh, you didn't see the Halloween, the big Halloween talk?

880
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,120
I know I'm talking about that, but I was like, yeah, it's Halloweentown.

881
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,120
That's what we're talking about.

882
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:17,120
Yeah.

883
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:18,120
That was the whole point.

884
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:19,120
Is that weird though?

885
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,440
That was the entire point, Caitlyn.

886
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,120
That in a nutshell is the point.

887
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:30,120
It's like you forgot right after I ended like I do with you.

888
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:31,600
No, I was like, I know we're there.

889
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,040
I know that we're talking about, but I was like, oh, they're there.

890
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,040
Yeah.

891
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,000
I thought I was expecting something to like, boo.

892
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,320
Oh, no, they're so weird.

893
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:41,320
They're so weird.

894
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:42,320
It's just weird.

895
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:48,400
Someone went to Halloween town right the day I'm talking about it, recording half the

896
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:49,400
time about it.

897
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:50,400
That is funny.

898
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,440
It's one of those, what do we like to say?

899
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:54,440
Synchronicity.

900
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:55,440
Yeah.

901
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:56,440
Because I forgot the word.

902
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:57,440
That's what I was looking at.

903
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:02,360
You're like, finish my sandwich.

904
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaking of sandwiches.

905
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,120
Oh, God, I'm so excited about that sandwich.

906
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,960
We need to go get down on some Portland dips right now.

907
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:17,600
As indie podcasters, we love to show our support of other awesome shows.

908
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,480
So stay tuned for the promo we've got to share with you this week.

909
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:22,880
Let's show them some love.

910
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,280
You can find their info in our show notes.

911
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,080
Hey, true crime fans.

912
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:32,660
I'm Amanda and I'm her mom Pam and we are inviting you to listen to our podcast and

913
00:36:32,660 --> 00:36:42,660
we're going to be in a very, very, very long time.

914
00:36:42,660 --> 00:36:46,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

915
00:36:46,660 --> 00:36:49,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

916
00:36:49,660 --> 00:36:52,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

917
00:36:52,660 --> 00:36:56,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

918
00:36:56,660 --> 00:36:59,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

919
00:36:59,660 --> 00:37:03,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

920
00:37:03,660 --> 00:37:05,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

921
00:37:05,660 --> 00:37:08,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

922
00:37:08,660 --> 00:37:11,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

923
00:37:11,660 --> 00:37:14,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

924
00:37:14,660 --> 00:37:17,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

925
00:37:17,660 --> 00:37:19,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

926
00:37:19,660 --> 00:37:21,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

927
00:37:21,660 --> 00:37:23,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

928
00:37:23,660 --> 00:37:25,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

929
00:37:25,660 --> 00:37:27,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

930
00:37:27,660 --> 00:37:30,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

931
00:37:30,660 --> 00:37:33,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

932
00:37:33,660 --> 00:37:36,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

933
00:37:36,660 --> 00:37:39,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

934
00:37:39,660 --> 00:37:42,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

935
00:37:42,660 --> 00:37:45,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

936
00:37:45,660 --> 00:37:48,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

937
00:37:48,660 --> 00:37:50,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

938
00:37:50,660 --> 00:37:52,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

939
00:37:52,660 --> 00:37:54,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

940
00:37:54,660 --> 00:37:55,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

941
00:37:55,660 --> 00:37:56,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

942
00:37:56,660 --> 00:37:58,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

943
00:37:58,660 --> 00:38:00,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

944
00:38:00,660 --> 00:38:02,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

945
00:38:02,660 --> 00:38:04,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

946
00:38:04,660 --> 00:38:06,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

947
00:38:06,660 --> 00:38:08,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

948
00:38:08,660 --> 00:38:10,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

949
00:38:10,660 --> 00:38:12,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

950
00:38:12,660 --> 00:38:14,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

951
00:38:14,660 --> 00:38:16,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

952
00:38:16,660 --> 00:38:18,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

953
00:38:18,660 --> 00:38:20,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

954
00:38:20,660 --> 00:38:21,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

955
00:38:21,660 --> 00:38:22,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

956
00:38:22,660 --> 00:38:23,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

957
00:38:23,660 --> 00:38:24,660
We're going to be in a very long time.

958
00:38:24,660 --> 00:38:29,660
Hardake, regret, grieving, sorrow and loss.

959
00:38:29,660 --> 00:38:30,660
Aw.

960
00:38:30,660 --> 00:38:31,660
Yeah.

961
00:38:31,660 --> 00:38:35,660
That was the sadder side of our story today.

962
00:38:35,660 --> 00:38:37,660
I think it kind of makes sense.

963
00:38:37,660 --> 00:38:42,660
Just looking at this heart with three swords, piercing it is painful.

964
00:38:42,660 --> 00:38:44,660
One of the saddest cards in the tarot,

965
00:38:44,660 --> 00:38:48,660
it symbolizes deep emotional pain, heartbreak,

966
00:38:48,660 --> 00:38:51,660
and a real or perceived tragedy.

967
00:38:51,660 --> 00:38:54,660
Oh, a real or perceived tragedy.

968
00:38:54,660 --> 00:38:55,660
Interesting.

969
00:38:55,660 --> 00:38:57,660
That is interesting because you never know

970
00:38:57,660 --> 00:38:58,660
if these stories are real.

971
00:38:58,660 --> 00:39:01,660
I mean, the hanging one, obviously, the murder,

972
00:39:01,660 --> 00:39:02,660
that was all real.

973
00:39:02,660 --> 00:39:03,660
Yeah.

974
00:39:03,660 --> 00:39:07,660
Well, and it's funny because even though that's real,

975
00:39:07,660 --> 00:39:12,660
that could be a real or perceived tragedy,

976
00:39:12,660 --> 00:39:15,660
I guess, depending on how you look at it.

977
00:39:15,660 --> 00:39:16,660
Yeah.

978
00:39:16,660 --> 00:39:17,660
If he's guilty or not or--

979
00:39:17,660 --> 00:39:18,660
Yeah.

980
00:39:18,660 --> 00:39:21,660
I mean, obviously, we know some people think that

981
00:39:21,660 --> 00:39:24,660
capital punishment is a tragedy, no matter what,

982
00:39:24,660 --> 00:39:28,660
but that's an aside, anyway.

983
00:39:28,660 --> 00:39:31,660
You may not manage to avoid the suffering indicated

984
00:39:31,660 --> 00:39:32,660
by the three of swords.

985
00:39:32,660 --> 00:39:37,660
However, the card advises separating true grief

986
00:39:37,660 --> 00:39:39,660
from self-pity.

987
00:39:39,660 --> 00:39:40,660
Hmm.

988
00:39:40,660 --> 00:39:42,660
Let's not pity ourselves.

989
00:39:42,660 --> 00:39:43,660
That's Halloween.

990
00:39:43,660 --> 00:39:44,660
Yeah.

991
00:39:44,660 --> 00:39:45,660
Okay.

992
00:39:45,660 --> 00:39:48,660
So we have an extra excerpt here.

993
00:39:48,660 --> 00:39:53,660
The quote says, "The soul is a diamond in the rough,

994
00:39:53,660 --> 00:39:57,660
which must abide the blows inflicted by suffering

995
00:39:57,660 --> 00:40:00,660
in order to shine in all its brilliance."

996
00:40:00,660 --> 00:40:01,660
Wow.

997
00:40:01,660 --> 00:40:02,660
Okay.

998
00:40:02,660 --> 00:40:06,660
You know, none of that self-pity stuff, right?

999
00:40:06,660 --> 00:40:07,660
All right.

1000
00:40:07,660 --> 00:40:10,660
In a reversed interpretation, it says,

1001
00:40:10,660 --> 00:40:13,660
"The reversed three of swords is acting--

1002
00:40:13,660 --> 00:40:17,660
oh, is actually less problematic and severe

1003
00:40:17,660 --> 00:40:19,660
than the upright three.

1004
00:40:19,660 --> 00:40:21,660
Go figure.

1005
00:40:21,660 --> 00:40:24,660
It suggests you're making more of an unhappy situation

1006
00:40:24,660 --> 00:40:28,660
than necessary, or that a disappointment is temporary,

1007
00:40:28,660 --> 00:40:30,660
not the end of the world.

1008
00:40:30,660 --> 00:40:33,660
Perhaps the truth hurts, but once you face it,

1009
00:40:33,660 --> 00:40:35,660
you can improve things.

1010
00:40:35,660 --> 00:40:38,660
Pull yourself together and get on with your life.

1011
00:40:38,660 --> 00:40:39,660
Sorry, guys.

1012
00:40:39,660 --> 00:40:42,660
I had to bring us down, but it's okay.

1013
00:40:42,660 --> 00:40:43,660
Tough love."

1014
00:40:43,660 --> 00:40:45,660
It's a part of life.

1015
00:40:45,660 --> 00:40:48,660
We have to talk about it, along with a vonstah.

1016
00:40:48,660 --> 00:40:49,660
Yeah.

1017
00:40:49,660 --> 00:40:51,660
In a reading about money,

1018
00:40:51,660 --> 00:40:54,660
you may harbor regrets about what might have been,

1019
00:40:54,660 --> 00:40:58,660
or you've been chastising yourself for a bad decision.

1020
00:40:58,660 --> 00:41:02,660
The reversed three recommends letting go of blame and guilt,

1021
00:41:02,660 --> 00:41:07,660
repairing damage, and starting a new.

1022
00:41:07,660 --> 00:41:09,660
If the reading is about your job,

1023
00:41:09,660 --> 00:41:14,660
you may be pulling out of a damaging and hurtful situation.

1024
00:41:14,660 --> 00:41:17,660
The reversed three can mean the worst is over

1025
00:41:17,660 --> 00:41:20,660
and you've learned from your mistakes.

1026
00:41:20,660 --> 00:41:25,660
Remain watchful for confusion, deception, or poor judgment.

1027
00:41:25,660 --> 00:41:27,660
Watch out, say, "Alice."

1028
00:41:27,660 --> 00:41:30,660
In a reading about love,

1029
00:41:30,660 --> 00:41:34,660
this card points to painful experiences,

1030
00:41:34,660 --> 00:41:36,660
but you're working on past problems

1031
00:41:36,660 --> 00:41:38,660
and trying to make things better.

1032
00:41:38,660 --> 00:41:43,660
You need to let go of jealousy, regrets, guilt, and fear.

1033
00:41:43,660 --> 00:41:48,660
Sometimes this card represents accepting a loss and moving on.

1034
00:41:48,660 --> 00:41:53,660
Except the losses, ghosts of St. Helens,

1035
00:41:53,660 --> 00:41:55,660
and move on to the afterlife.

1036
00:41:55,660 --> 00:41:57,660
That's maybe a good one.

1037
00:41:57,660 --> 00:41:59,660
Hang around a party during Halloween.

1038
00:41:59,660 --> 00:42:00,660
Hey!

1039
00:42:00,660 --> 00:42:03,660
Pumpkin, all the witches!

1040
00:42:03,660 --> 00:42:04,660
Do it!

1041
00:42:04,660 --> 00:42:05,660
Yeah.

1042
00:42:05,660 --> 00:42:06,660
I think you should pull one.

1043
00:42:06,660 --> 00:42:09,660
I was feeling while you were reading that you needed to pull one.

1044
00:42:09,660 --> 00:42:10,660
Okay.

1045
00:42:10,660 --> 00:42:11,660
I want a funer card.

1046
00:42:11,660 --> 00:42:12,660
More fun card.

1047
00:42:12,660 --> 00:42:13,660
Funer is the winner.

1048
00:42:13,660 --> 00:42:14,660
(laughs)

1049
00:42:14,660 --> 00:42:15,660
Mm-hmm.

1050
00:42:15,660 --> 00:42:20,660
Bring on the fun!

1051
00:42:20,660 --> 00:42:26,660
Oh, well, that's not the funnest card.

1052
00:42:26,660 --> 00:42:28,660
I mean, I think it could be worse.

1053
00:42:28,660 --> 00:42:29,660
Oh, this is interesting, though,

1054
00:42:29,660 --> 00:42:31,660
so we got the page of cups and reverse,

1055
00:42:31,660 --> 00:42:34,660
but she's on the waterfront.

1056
00:42:34,660 --> 00:42:36,660
Oh, there you go.

1057
00:42:36,660 --> 00:42:38,660
She's literally standing on a dock.

1058
00:42:38,660 --> 00:42:39,660
Interesting.

1059
00:42:39,660 --> 00:42:40,660
That works.

1060
00:42:40,660 --> 00:42:41,660
I'm okay, okay.

1061
00:42:41,660 --> 00:42:42,660
I'm okay with that.

1062
00:42:42,660 --> 00:42:43,660
All right.

1063
00:42:43,660 --> 00:42:48,660
Page of cups are keywords are naivete,

1064
00:42:48,660 --> 00:42:54,660
openness, sensitivity, immaturity, lack of boundaries.

1065
00:42:54,660 --> 00:42:58,660
In some decks, just like some of your stories,

1066
00:42:58,660 --> 00:43:01,660
the page appears as a child.

1067
00:43:01,660 --> 00:43:02,660
Oh, yeah!

1068
00:43:02,660 --> 00:43:03,660
Ghosty Kid!

1069
00:43:03,660 --> 00:43:04,660
Kikikai.

1070
00:43:04,660 --> 00:43:05,660
No!

1071
00:43:05,660 --> 00:43:06,660
No!

1072
00:43:06,660 --> 00:43:07,660
No!

1073
00:43:07,660 --> 00:43:09,660
Also, immaturity of just, like,

1074
00:43:09,660 --> 00:43:13,660
howlingness in general and the shenanigan.

1075
00:43:13,660 --> 00:43:15,660
Disney movies and twilight and...

1076
00:43:15,660 --> 00:43:16,660
Yeah.

1077
00:43:16,660 --> 00:43:18,660
Yeah, maybe.

1078
00:43:18,660 --> 00:43:21,660
Okay, it appears as a child and apprentice,

1079
00:43:21,660 --> 00:43:25,660
a student, or a young servant.

1080
00:43:25,660 --> 00:43:27,660
It's interesting, because we definitely talked about,

1081
00:43:27,660 --> 00:43:31,660
like, a lot of people in, like, work that we would consider

1082
00:43:31,660 --> 00:43:33,660
the traits.

1083
00:43:33,660 --> 00:43:34,660
Yeah.

1084
00:43:34,660 --> 00:43:39,660
Consequently, page cards represent innocence

1085
00:43:39,660 --> 00:43:42,660
or the initial stages of a situation.

1086
00:43:42,660 --> 00:43:46,660
Sometimes the page of cups is shown contemplating a fish,

1087
00:43:46,660 --> 00:43:48,660
a symbol of the water element.

1088
00:43:48,660 --> 00:43:53,660
When the page of cups shows up, it suggests intuition

1089
00:43:53,660 --> 00:43:57,660
and innate artistic and creative abilities,

1090
00:43:57,660 --> 00:44:00,660
but you haven't developed these yet.

1091
00:44:00,660 --> 00:44:05,660
It also indicates emotional immaturity.

1092
00:44:05,660 --> 00:44:08,660
If this card represents an actual person,

1093
00:44:08,660 --> 00:44:12,660
here she is probably young, inexperienced in love.

1094
00:44:12,660 --> 00:44:14,660
Bella Swan.

1095
00:44:14,660 --> 00:44:15,660
It's a brothel.

1096
00:44:15,660 --> 00:44:18,660
Sorry, I have to talk about twilight.

1097
00:44:18,660 --> 00:44:19,660
Yeah.

1098
00:44:19,660 --> 00:44:20,660
While we're here.

1099
00:44:20,660 --> 00:44:23,660
Yeah, that does make sense for the brothel, though.

1100
00:44:23,660 --> 00:44:24,660
Yeah.

1101
00:44:24,660 --> 00:44:29,660
And perhaps overly trusting naive or idyllistic in the extreme.

1102
00:44:29,660 --> 00:44:32,660
Well.

1103
00:44:32,660 --> 00:44:35,660
Okay, and then our reverse interpretation is

1104
00:44:35,660 --> 00:44:40,660
the page of cups reversed often indicates pain resulting

1105
00:44:40,660 --> 00:44:44,660
from an unhappy relationship or family situation.

1106
00:44:44,660 --> 00:44:47,660
Oh, there was kind of a family situation.

1107
00:44:47,660 --> 00:44:49,660
Yeah.

1108
00:44:49,660 --> 00:44:52,660
She was in the family way.

1109
00:44:52,660 --> 00:44:56,660
As a result, you feel insecure, afraid to trust,

1110
00:44:56,660 --> 00:44:58,660
unwilling to seek love,

1111
00:44:58,660 --> 00:45:01,660
but you want to avoid more suffering, suffering.

1112
00:45:01,660 --> 00:45:06,660
That's kind of a just a recurring theme here.

1113
00:45:06,660 --> 00:45:07,660
Yeah.

1114
00:45:07,660 --> 00:45:10,660
This card can show fear of rejection if you express

1115
00:45:10,660 --> 00:45:14,660
your creative abilities or reveal your intuitive nature.

1116
00:45:14,660 --> 00:45:19,660
Sometimes it means you're withdrawing into a fantasy world.

1117
00:45:19,660 --> 00:45:24,660
So if you're dead and you're haunting, does that make

1118
00:45:24,660 --> 00:45:30,660
you feel like you're in a fantasy world?

1119
00:45:30,660 --> 00:45:31,660
Maybe kind of, right?

1120
00:45:31,660 --> 00:45:34,660
Or they're trying to live in the movies.

1121
00:45:34,660 --> 00:45:35,660
Oh.

1122
00:45:35,660 --> 00:45:38,660
Okay, that actually makes a lot of sense.

1123
00:45:38,660 --> 00:45:39,660
Maybe Halloween.

1124
00:45:39,660 --> 00:45:40,660
Okay, hear me out.

1125
00:45:40,660 --> 00:45:41,660
Okay.

1126
00:45:41,660 --> 00:45:44,660
What if St. Helens is actually Halloween town,

1127
00:45:44,660 --> 00:45:46,660
but it's like on the other side.

1128
00:45:46,660 --> 00:45:48,660
So you can't see it.

1129
00:45:48,660 --> 00:45:49,660
But it's there.

1130
00:45:49,660 --> 00:45:50,660
Okay.

1131
00:45:50,660 --> 00:45:53,660
All right, I can get with that.

1132
00:45:53,660 --> 00:45:57,660
The reverse page can also represent a sensitive young person

1133
00:45:57,660 --> 00:46:02,660
who feels unaccepted or unloved or who can't trust anyone.

1134
00:46:02,660 --> 00:46:03,660
Mommy?

1135
00:46:03,660 --> 00:46:04,660
Daddy?

1136
00:46:04,660 --> 00:46:06,660
Oh my god.

1137
00:46:06,660 --> 00:46:07,660
Yeah.

1138
00:46:07,660 --> 00:46:11,660
You don't even trust your own eyes to know that you're seeing your parent.

1139
00:46:11,660 --> 00:46:15,660
Is that, I don't know.

1140
00:46:15,660 --> 00:46:20,660
In a reading about money, the reversed page advises against relying on others

1141
00:46:20,660 --> 00:46:25,660
or a financial advice, or it may indicate a venture you're considering

1142
00:46:25,660 --> 00:46:26,660
isn't well-founded.

1143
00:46:26,660 --> 00:46:28,660
Oh, like the business.

1144
00:46:28,660 --> 00:46:31,660
In the beginning, Portland.

1145
00:46:31,660 --> 00:46:32,660
We sabotaged them.

1146
00:46:32,660 --> 00:46:34,660
Oh, yeah, the sabotage.

1147
00:46:34,660 --> 00:46:35,660
Sabotage.

1148
00:46:35,660 --> 00:46:36,660
I forgot about that part.

1149
00:46:36,660 --> 00:46:37,660
I was like, what are you talking about?

1150
00:46:37,660 --> 00:46:38,660
Yeah.

1151
00:46:38,660 --> 00:46:43,660
Sometimes this card means you're underpaid or being taken advantage of

1152
00:46:43,660 --> 00:46:44,660
and need to stand up for yourself.

1153
00:46:44,660 --> 00:46:46,660
Well, those cards could be for anyone.

1154
00:46:46,660 --> 00:46:49,660
I mean, St. Helens is making out now though.

1155
00:46:49,660 --> 00:46:50,660
All right.

1156
00:46:50,660 --> 00:46:53,660
I don't think there is biggest, I don't think there is biggest Portland.

1157
00:46:53,660 --> 00:46:56,660
They're not as big as Portland.

1158
00:46:56,660 --> 00:46:58,660
But she do night.

1159
00:46:58,660 --> 00:46:59,660
Yeah.

1160
00:46:59,660 --> 00:47:00,660
14,000?

1161
00:47:00,660 --> 00:47:01,660
How big is Portland?

1162
00:47:01,660 --> 00:47:03,660
Should we Google it real quick?

1163
00:47:03,660 --> 00:47:04,660
A lot more.

1164
00:47:04,660 --> 00:47:05,660
Okay, you keep reading.

1165
00:47:05,660 --> 00:47:06,660
Yeah.

1166
00:47:06,660 --> 00:47:07,660
You look that up.

1167
00:47:07,660 --> 00:47:08,660
I'm just curious.

1168
00:47:08,660 --> 00:47:09,660
641,000.

1169
00:47:09,660 --> 00:47:10,660
Okay.

1170
00:47:10,660 --> 00:47:11,660
Yeah.

1171
00:47:11,660 --> 00:47:12,660
It's quite a bit more.

1172
00:47:12,660 --> 00:47:18,660
If the reading is about your job, this card may indicate disappointments broken promises.

1173
00:47:18,660 --> 00:47:23,660
Or a situation that didn't turn out the way you'd hoped.

1174
00:47:23,660 --> 00:47:25,660
Oh, that is right there.

1175
00:47:25,660 --> 00:47:26,660
Yeah, that is.

1176
00:47:26,660 --> 00:47:29,660
I wanted a fun card, guys.

1177
00:47:29,660 --> 00:47:31,660
Oh, shit, dude.

1178
00:47:31,660 --> 00:47:34,660
It can also show misplaced trust.

1179
00:47:34,660 --> 00:47:40,660
Maybe you've been duped or betrayed in a work related area.

1180
00:47:40,660 --> 00:47:41,660
I'll say.

1181
00:47:41,660 --> 00:47:43,660
Why is the coffee gone?

1182
00:47:43,660 --> 00:47:47,660
Or you maybe...

1183
00:47:47,660 --> 00:47:52,660
Or you may not be using your talents wisely.

1184
00:47:52,660 --> 00:47:54,660
After life for Easter.

1185
00:47:54,660 --> 00:47:55,660
Yeah.

1186
00:47:55,660 --> 00:48:03,660
In a reading about love, the page reversed warns you to take a good hard look at a relationship.

1187
00:48:03,660 --> 00:48:10,660
This card may show you repeating a pattern of heartbreak and betrayal rooted in childhood.

1188
00:48:10,660 --> 00:48:11,660
Oh.

1189
00:48:11,660 --> 00:48:16,660
I hope none of the same shit's going on.

1190
00:48:16,660 --> 00:48:18,660
Well, maybe not current day.

1191
00:48:18,660 --> 00:48:19,660
I feel like...

1192
00:48:19,660 --> 00:48:26,660
I don't know, but I see some applications from aspects of the town and the story.

1193
00:48:26,660 --> 00:48:27,660
Yeah.

1194
00:48:27,660 --> 00:48:28,660
Okay.

1195
00:48:28,660 --> 00:48:35,660
Perhaps you've opened your heart to the wrong person or fantasized that a romantic fling is something more serious.

1196
00:48:35,660 --> 00:48:38,660
Oh, he fell in love with this trooper.

1197
00:48:38,660 --> 00:48:42,660
That makes me sad, though, because she's the one who got knocked up.

1198
00:48:42,660 --> 00:48:43,660
Yeah.

1199
00:48:43,660 --> 00:48:49,660
Well, it's very interesting these two cards kind of go together too, because it was talking about like a heartbreak and stuff.

1200
00:48:49,660 --> 00:48:52,660
And the other one has a big old heart on it.

1201
00:48:52,660 --> 00:48:53,660
Yeah, it does.

1202
00:48:53,660 --> 00:48:55,660
Yeah, that's interesting.

1203
00:48:55,660 --> 00:48:56,660
She pretty.

1204
00:48:56,660 --> 00:48:57,660
Okay.

1205
00:48:57,660 --> 00:48:59,660
Sorry, I didn't have a Halloween deck.

1206
00:48:59,660 --> 00:49:00,660
I forgot.

1207
00:49:00,660 --> 00:49:01,660
Yeah.

1208
00:49:01,660 --> 00:49:02,660
But which, which stuff?

1209
00:49:02,660 --> 00:49:03,660
Yeah.

1210
00:49:03,660 --> 00:49:04,660
Modern witch.

1211
00:49:04,660 --> 00:49:08,660
And we can still do another Halloween tarot reading if we feel like it.

1212
00:49:08,660 --> 00:49:09,660
Yeah, maybe we will.

1213
00:49:09,660 --> 00:49:10,660
Maybe we won't.

1214
00:49:10,660 --> 00:49:12,660
So hard to say.

1215
00:49:12,660 --> 00:49:14,660
We're very unpredictable.

1216
00:49:14,660 --> 00:49:27,660
If you loved listening to that tarot read and you want to see it, you can become a member of our Patreon where the video of every tarot reading is uploaded with the ad-free version of the episode each week.

1217
00:49:27,660 --> 00:49:34,660
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1218
00:49:34,660 --> 00:49:36,660
They do.

1219
00:49:36,660 --> 00:49:38,660
This will probably be one of those.

1220
00:49:38,660 --> 00:49:41,660
A little bit of shenaniganis.

1221
00:49:41,660 --> 00:49:42,660
Yes.

1222
00:49:42,660 --> 00:49:48,660
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1223
00:49:48,660 --> 00:49:54,660
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1224
00:49:54,660 --> 00:50:03,660
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1225
00:50:03,660 --> 00:50:05,660
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1226
00:50:05,660 --> 00:50:06,660
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1227
00:50:06,660 --> 00:50:13,660
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1228
00:50:13,660 --> 00:50:14,660
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1229
00:50:14,660 --> 00:50:16,660
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1230
00:50:16,660 --> 00:50:23,660
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1231
00:50:23,660 --> 00:50:24,660
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1232
00:50:24,660 --> 00:50:33,660
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1233
00:50:33,660 --> 00:50:50,660
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1234
00:50:50,660 --> 00:50:58,660
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1235
00:50:58,660 --> 00:51:04,660
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1236
00:51:04,660 --> 00:51:05,660
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1237
00:51:05,660 --> 00:51:10,660
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1238
00:51:10,660 --> 00:51:14,660
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1239
00:51:14,660 --> 00:51:15,660
It's true.

1240
00:51:15,660 --> 00:51:19,660
I don't know any more places.

1241
00:51:19,660 --> 00:51:22,660
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1242
00:51:22,660 --> 00:51:28,660
Aliens. Yeah, we want to talk to some aliens.

1243
00:51:28,660 --> 00:51:30,660
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1244
00:51:30,660 --> 00:51:32,660
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1245
00:51:32,660 --> 00:51:35,660
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1246
00:51:35,660 --> 00:51:43,660
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1247
00:51:43,660 --> 00:51:51,660
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1248
00:51:51,660 --> 00:51:54,660
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1249
00:51:54,660 --> 00:51:57,660
Have a creepy ass Halloween.

1250
00:51:57,660 --> 00:51:58,660
Stay safe.

1251
00:51:58,660 --> 00:52:01,660
Eat a shit ton of candy.

1252
00:52:01,660 --> 00:52:04,660
Go visit St. Helens and the big old pumpkin.

1253
00:52:04,660 --> 00:52:05,660
Also that.

1254
00:52:05,660 --> 00:52:11,660
And be safe when you're using nice to carve pumpkins.

1255
00:52:11,660 --> 00:52:15,660
And so big emphasis on safety.

1256
00:52:15,660 --> 00:52:18,660
Just like really worried about everyone's safety.

1257
00:52:18,660 --> 00:52:20,660
Yeah, its dark. It's rainy.

1258
00:52:20,660 --> 00:52:23,660
Yeah, it's quite a time.

1259
00:52:23,660 --> 00:52:27,660
All right, well, let's go cheers to that in our cauldrons.

1260
00:52:27,660 --> 00:52:30,660
Ooh, ooh, ooh.

1261
00:52:31,660 --> 00:52:34,660
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1262
00:52:34,660 --> 00:53:01,660
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1263
00:53:01,660 --> 00:53:05,660
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1264
00:53:05,660 --> 00:53:08,660
Oh my "gard."

1265
00:53:08,660 --> 00:53:12,660
Oh my "gard."

1266
00:53:12,660 --> 00:53:16,660
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1267
00:53:16,660 --> 00:53:19,660
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1268
00:53:19,660 --> 00:53:25,660
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