May 20, 2025

Operation Beaver Drop: Idaho's 1948 Aerial Wildlife Relocation

Operation Beaver Drop: Idaho's 1948 Aerial Wildlife Relocation
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Summertime is upon us! We’ve penciled in some time to sip rosé and soak up the sunshine so we’ll be sprinkling in some periodic breaks from our own content creations. Of course, we’d never leave you high and dry. This week, our friends Shea & Jody of theRainy Day Rabbit Holes podcastshare the story of one of the weirdest—and most unbelievable—government projects in Pacific Northwest history. In 1948, Idaho launched one of the strangest wildlife relocation efforts in U.S. history—dropping live beavers out of airplanes into the remote wilderness. Sounds like folklore, but it’s true.

Join their exploration of this bizarre historical event in depth: who greenlit it, how they pulled it off, and what happened to the beavers who took the plunge. The story combines government problem-solving at its most eccentric, animal relocation tactics of the 20th century, and the lasting legacy of this truly wild conservation effort. Whether you’re a fan of weird history, bizarre and yet somehow true stories from the wild, or simply love an offbeat narrative based in the Pacific Northwest, this episode is for you.

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I mean, I don't want to tell you guys what

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to do. But you know, no, Welcome to Randy Dave

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rabbit Holes, where retake the history of the West off

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If you like your history unhinged, you are in the

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the rabbit hole, Jody Shae.

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Today we're going to talk about beavers. Beavers, not the

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hairy lady parts.

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Oh well, my daughter was a beaver. Organ say about

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your daughters. Okay, so why are we talking about Oregon

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State women's soccer but then lady parts?

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No, no, we're talking about those cute, little damn building critters.

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Beavers were basically most of the reason the Hudson Bay

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Company invaded the land occupied by the indigenous people of

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the Pacific Northwest, bringing novel European disease and exploiting the

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native people.

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Oh, beavers, beavers made this happen.

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Yes, I knew.

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I didn't really like them through blood they're so destructive.

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No, you will love beavers by the Okay, they're actually

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incredibly important to our environment. Oh I knew that.

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Yeah, just really didn't like them.

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Well screw you, and you're beaver hating. But I don't

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know where I was going with insults, trying not to

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stay that And by the way, like just that little

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statement took me down another rabbit hole about how bad

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the Hudson's Bay Company was. Oh yeah, so I might

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do that in another darker episode. But because do you

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know if the current had some bay company is like

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the old is it? Is it somebody? Just three hundred

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and fifty years So it's the same of the same company.

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And apparently I'm not doing very well now. Oh gosh, darn, gosh, darn.

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It only took three hundred fifty years to get what

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they deserve, right, Yeah, that's another story for another day.

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But today we're gonna keep it light hearted, and we're

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going to talk about some cute little furry buddies and

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a completely unhinged tale from Idahose history. Oh weird, involving

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beaver's parachutes and airplanes. All right, wait, are the beaver? Okay,

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I can't wait. I want to see a beaver. Don't

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ask any questions.

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Yeah, I need to see a beaver go down in

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a parachute. Keep your pants on, Okay, I have to

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put them on once again, Jody's pants lest she's doing

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the Winny the Oh again, so that since I gave

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her the blankety, she just doesn't wear pants.

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I don't need them, not when you're wearing a blanket hoodie.

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But before we get started, I need to give a

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shout out to Mark Stubs. Oh, Hi, a buddy, Marks Stubs. Uh.

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He was very he told Rich he was very upset

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that he didn't get a shout out when I did

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the episode on the moss Man of Idaho. And I

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was like, you're right, I neglected Mark. I'm so sorry Stubs. Wait,

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is he got a lot of moss on his back?

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Or is he the moss Man? And we didn't know

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calls Idaho home? Oh got you? So you know lives

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in Boisey, so high Mark, And sorry, I didn't give

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you your shout out, which you deserve. Did we shout him

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out in our other Idaho Milicia ones? Maybe? Maybe? I

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think so that was a long time ago. There's at

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least five years ago, that's what it feels like anyway,

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So we do need to go visit Mark. He keeps

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inviting us out there, because now Mark, you dahoe, that's right.

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I used to say this every time we drive to

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Montana with the kids. I'd hope yeah at noo, I'm

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not no.

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How do we do it? I can't remember.

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Let's give it its episode three guys.

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So uh Mark though, by the way, I this is

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just a message to just Mark, so everybody else cannot

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listen right now. If you're not Mark, if your name

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is not Mark, now you can pass forward one. Fine.

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You know you could kind of control this podcast in

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a way if you wanted to, and you know how

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you could do that by becoming a Patreon supporter at

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the ten dollars level or a higher, because then you

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can tell us what you want us to do for episodes.

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Nobody's taking us up on this yet. None of our

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Patreon supporters at the ten dollars level or higher have

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been like, hey, you should do this, right, So this

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is my challenge. What you pay for around? Yeah, all

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of our Patreon supporters at this point, now just tell

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us a thing and we'll do it. Let's do it.

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I want to be told what to do. I like

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it totally fits my personality. So Mark, if you want

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us to talk about Idaho every month, we would do it.

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It's just one of the perks you get by being

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a patron. Anyway, all right, you ready to talk about beaver? Oh,

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I want to talk about beaver. They're so dirty. Do

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you know why beavers are such good builders? Well, they

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have to be because they always give a damn Oh, yes,

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I like it. Okay, So beaver's the second largest rodent

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after the kappy barra or crappy Barbara, as a Frank

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aka creepy Dave calls him, which is what I'm gonna

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call him till the end of the time. It's crappy Barber's,

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crappy Barber's, krabby Barber's. They are the ultimate eco warriors.

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You should love these guys, Okay, okay, tell me more.

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These cute and busy little critters are vastly crucial to

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our natural ecosystem. They are considered ecosystem engineers and a

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keystone species, meaning that they have a large impact on

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their environment. So many other species benefit from the beaver's

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hard work. Basically, beavers are damn important. Oh I love it.

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See what it said.

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It's going to be a great episode. I can tell

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you love puns. This is a punter.

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Their dams restrict water, creating wetland habitats for many other species,

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like fish, birds, insects, and amphibians. In the Writing Mountain

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National Park in Canada, beaver dams are responsible for approximately

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fifty percent of the wetlands in the park.

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Oh wow, so water would have gone by, yes, but

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they damned. So now that we have wetlands.

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Yes, which gives habitat to all of these other animals.

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Oh damn, that's right. Their activity also increases plant biodiversity,

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providing food and cover for other animals. So more trees

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will grow where there's more water, which provides many different benefits.

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So one thing it does is when you have trees

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grow and they shade the streams, is it cools the

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water down, allowing for more fish to thrive, and then

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more fish thrive, more birds come in, and more other

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animals come in, including mammals. So otherwise a lot of

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these areas would just be kind of barren because the

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water just flows through and goes away, and the beaver

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keeps the water in the area so that life can flourish. Also,

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these dams and the resulting pools act as a natural

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water filter, retaining sediment and filtering out pollutants like heavy metals, pesticides,

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and fertilizers, which improves the quality of water downstream, not

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only for animals, but also for us dumb tesla driving humans.

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Just if you buy a tesla, that's going to save

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the earth apparently kill the rest of us, but whatever. Sure,

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these ponds also store water during droughts because holding the

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water in these ponds allows the water to be absorbed

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into the subsurface like a sponge instead of being evaporated

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into the air. So the same effect also helps to

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mitigate flood. So instead of water just flowing through the dams,

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help stop it up. The substrate absorb some of the water,

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and water does flow through the dams a little bit,

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so it's not like it's just creating like a huge lake,

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but it's slowing it down so it's not gonna flood

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further downstream. The US Fish and Wildlife Service, which by

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the time of this episode's release probably has twelve people

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working for it, oh say that beavers do more than

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any other species aside from humans, to shape their environment. Wow,

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I just saw them as doing these things destructively. I

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never saw them as doing them constructively. Do you need

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to change your thinking about beaver? I guess okay, we

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gotta love the beaver. I did, so humans are number

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one in that respect of shaping their environment. I mean,

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why do we even need a national park? That lumber

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is much better used to build a bunch three and

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a half million dollars five thousand square foot borrowing MC

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mansions in Bellevue for overpaid employees of Microsoft. Yeah, I'm

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getting thumbs up.

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Thumbs up, Yeah, Perka, Uh maybe.

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Maybe Jody thing about this? What about you know what's

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better than a national park? A luxury golf resort that

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costs eight hundred thousand dollars to buy into. Oh okay,

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I'm in. I mean nature is what I always say. Yes,

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I mean, I'm famous for saying nature. Right. I'm so glad.

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You're you're all over. This is This is definitely one

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of my passions. This, this problem we've got, and I

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love that you're digging into.

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I mean, coat those ducks and oil.

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Let's damn this shit up. Just oh mean, damn this

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stuff up. So many beeps are gonna happen in this episode.

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Coat those ducks and oil.

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Those damn ducks don't do anything other than poop anyway,

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right exactly.

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This is what we need, that preserved land for dig

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it drill baby drer.

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I know. Oh god, Okay, sorry, the current events have

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got me a little bit roiled up. Okay, simmert had

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not where was it? Okay? Oh yeah, all right? Beers

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are the ship? Beep?

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Beep?

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Do they speaking of beaver's? Are the ship? Does their

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ship look like TUTSI rolls. I did not look up

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beaver poop, but I'm going to now, well, I feel

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like the beaver after researching the story. I feel like

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the beaver should be in the middle of every flag

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in the Pacific Northwest. Oh, they're that important. But the animal,

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not the hairy lady parts.

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Yes, yes, that would definitely not the one that they've

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turned they've used for Oregon State for the last like

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ten years, because before that it actually looked like a beaver.

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Oh is it anymore else? Feel like a little gerbil

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or something?

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Oh no, my daughter was playing soccer for them when

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they switched over their logo or their little mascot picture. Unhappy,

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I will have to look this up. Before petition used

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to look like a like a beaver. Now it looks

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like a get or something.

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I don't know. Oh, they tried to cuten it up

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too much. Yeah, so I mean if it was the

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hairy lady parts on a flag. I kind of actually

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feel like this country would be a better place, definitely

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if we celebrated the person attached to the hairy lady

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parts more instead of trying to subjugate them. Okay, no

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hour of their pa anyway, but Beaver's they're gonna bev

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beav away BEV. So after the close of World War two,

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you know when we said, whoopsie, I guess all of

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you Japanese Americans that we rounded up into internment camps

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could go home. Now, here's twenty five dollars to Bay

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tank train ticket.

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Sorry about all the businesses you once had and the

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homes you once lived in.

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Sorry about everything you lost. Here's twenty five dollars by

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a train ticket. Anyways, can you tell I was feeling

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spicy when I read that. Yes, yes, must have been

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a good news day. Many of Idaho's residents decided to

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get out of the city and start a new life

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in the rural areas in the south was part of

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the state. Oh yeah, that's all the reasons we have

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that one star review. Anyway, So problem was one star

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and shove it up your nose and then damn that,

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damn it, damn something, damn that up, damn it. Orifice

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is your body with that one star review? Okay, okay.

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So all these people in the cities of Idaho after

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the war decided they wanted to go out and be

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like gentleman farmers or something. So they wanted to ge

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out and start a new life in the rural areas

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the state. So problem was this was beaver land, and

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the beavers weren't about to stop doing what they do

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best building dams just because a bunch of two legs

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moved in.

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Yes, I actually follow somebody on social media that does

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like road work and having to undo beaver work all

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the time.

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So people moving into McCall and Payette Lake, is that

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how you say it? Pay E T? I agree, Pyette Lake?

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Sure it works for me. Hopefully I'm not saying it wrong. Sorry,

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I FM. So people moving to McCall and Paiett Lake

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were building homes, but the beavers, who had been doing

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their thing there for centuries, started becoming a nuisance, cutting

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down trees and creating ponds and wet lens where they

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were not wunted. So the Idaho Department of Fish and

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Game in the area was called in. Normally, in these

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type of situations, the offending animal population would just be

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killed off because you know, nature, nature, But who needs it?

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My censor, beep is going to be like right at

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hand when I'm editing this episode. Oh, I can do

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it for you, beep. Thank you. It's very helpful after

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the fact. But beavers had been hunted to extremely low

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levels throughout the eighteen hundreds, like they estimated started out

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that populations were in the tens of millions before they

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started being hunted for fur, to only one hundred thousand

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by nineteen hundreds. Holy cow, I'm surprised they didn't go

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the way of the bison right just about. But by

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the nineteen hundreds we started to wise up that they

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were pretty important to the ecosystem. So we were seeing

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the results of wiping beavers out of these populations, and

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then we'd have floods, droughts, fires, we'd lose all this

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wetland habitat. And if you want to shoot ducks, you

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need a wetland habitat, right, So the US Department of

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the Interior spearheaded a program to reintroduce beavers to the

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state instead of killing them, starting in nineteen thirty six.

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This program was massively successful. The cost of relocating a

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beaver to Idaho was only eight dollars and the estimated

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value of a beaver's work was three hundred dollars. Oh wow,

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well worth it. Yeah, So seventy six beavers ended up

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being relocated to the Chamberlain Basin in the saw Tooth

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Mountain Range in central Idaho, which I don't know if

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that sounds kind of familiar, the saw saw Tooth Mountain Range,

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but that is also the location of our mass Man

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of Idaho Frenchman's Frenchman's Springs. Oh yes, yes, a couple

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of episodes ago. So they knew that Chamberlain Basin was

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the perfect place to relocate the pesky critters. But the

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problem was that this area was really hard to get to.

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There are no roads into this area. The way beavers

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had been relocated in the past was really difficult. So

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first the beavers would be trapped, loaded onto a truck

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and delivered to a conservation officer who's basically a specialized

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forest ranger who would oversee the loading of the beavers

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onto mules who were then led over the mountains. This

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was a long process and it resulted in the beavers

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becoming overstressed, overheated, and not eating or dress. I was wondering, like,

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how did you maintain that much? Yeah, because beavers actually

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have to be like cool in water. They're like a

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radiator or something. I don't know. Yeah, sound like I

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know what I'm talking about. I mean you had me

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because I don't really get a radiator. I believe you.

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They needed to be cooled somehow, radiator fluid. I'm smart, Oh,

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thank you, but fu so they needed a better way

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to get our little buddies to their new home. But

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before we get into it, let's take a quick break. Remember,

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get great perks. Okay, so we're in Idaho. It's nineteen

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forty eight. We've got a bunch of pesky beavers causing

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chaos in town, and we have to come up with

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a safer and easier way to get them to Chamberlain Basin.

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Enter Elmo heater, our buddy Elmo. His name was Any

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things are going, I'm just staring at you, because so

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many things are going thran. Okay, Elmo. People did name

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their children Elmo at one point, Yes, for sure. Our

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buddy Elmo noted that there were a bunch of useless

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World War two planes and airmen sitting around twiddling their thumbs,

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and came up with a brilliant plan. Oh, because they

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used to be in World War two and now they're bored. Yes, okay,

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the planes and the airmen. Yes, what if we parachuted

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the beavers into basin in Chamberlain? Basin?

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Oh?

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Be here we go, here we Yeah, this is almost

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as insane as the moose turn drop.

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So I thought about the whole time. So you heard me, right,

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let's throw those critters out of a perfectly good airplane.

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Yeah?

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Wait, were people with them? Tell me more? Okay, I'm

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telling you more right now. It sounds crazy, but it

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actually might work. It solved so many problems, help the

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habitat and Chamberlain save money and make good use of

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surplus parachutes. The estimated cost to drop four beavers from

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a plane was thirty dollars in nineteen forty eight. Wow,

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even with a fuel Look at that. Yeah. So, now

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that they had a plan. They had to figure out

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a way to make it work. So first they thought

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they could drop the beaver in a willow box and

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that the beaver could just chew its way out. This

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idea was scrapped because the beavers immediately went to chewing

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through the boxes and there would have been twenty beavers

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wandering around the airplane. No bueno. They're quick, yes, like

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immediately as soon as you put them in the box,

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they're chewing them out. That's hilarious. So then they came

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up with a specially designed wooden box that would spring

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open upon impact. It was basically two lidless boxes with

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air holes that were fastened together with hinges like a suitcase,

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so they just fit together like this. Okay okay, And

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then they were wrapped with rope and basically by suspending them,

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you kept tension on the rope, and as soon as

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they hit the ground, the tension on the rope was

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let go and the box would spring open. Oh okay, okay.

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So but they had to test them to make sure

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it'd work. So first they tested them with dummy weights

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and it was working out pretty good. But what they

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really needed was a live dummy. Oh no, So enter Geronimo,

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an older beaver who was conscripted into this hair brained plan.

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Oh he's old, he doesn't need to live anymore. It's fine,

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it's fine. He's useless now. Hmmm. So poor Geronimo was

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put in the box and launched over a landing field.

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Each time the box would spring open, Geronimo would waddle out,

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only to be grabbed and stuck back in the box

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to do it again. It got to this was so sad.

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It got to the point where the poor little guy

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was just resigned to his fate, and as soon as

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the handlers approached him, he would just crawl back into

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the box, knowing he'd have to do it again. Oh

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my gosh, he's like, I guess I have to go

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into is a good sport, My goodness. So after Elmo

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was satisfied with the plan, they went to work. So

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first the beavers were trapped, then they were sorted for

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size and weight. Ear tags would be attached for future tracking.

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Two similarly sized beavers would be loaded into the special

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Beaver drop box. Suspension lines were run through the boxes

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and then loaded into an airplane. Parachutes would be attached

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to a dropline and the crates stacked in rows ten

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boxes to a low, so twenty beavers ready for the

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flight to mountain meadows. On August fourteenth, nineteen forty eight,

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the plane headed over to the drop location, and somewhere

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between five hundred and eight hundred feet the boxes were

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launched out of the perfectly good airplane to drift down

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to the meadow below. The special boxes popped open upon landing,

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and the hapless beaver, a little confused but none the

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worse for wear, crawled out and waddled away, presumably to

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set up his wood shop and his new home wood shop.

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Our real hero of the story, the long suffering Geronimo,

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was rewarded by being the first male beaver to be

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thrown out of the airplane into chamberlain basin. Oh god,

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but along with three hot young female beavers.

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Leggy lady, uggy ladies, Geronimo. Oh wait, is this where

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they came from?

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Geronimo? I presume they set up a polygamous community and

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lived happily ever after like beavers do. Exactly so. In total,

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seventy six beavers were launched out of an airplane into

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the basin, and only one beaver failed to survive the journey. Wow.

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So apparently this beaver managed to escape his box during

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the drop climbed atop the wooden carrier. It was free

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air surfing for a few moments, but then when he

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was seventy five feet off the ground, he fell to

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his demise. RSVP, little beaver. So close, I know. And

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apparently the project was a success. The beaver set up

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shop and began building dams, creating some amazing habitat that

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exists today. Wow. How quickly did they assuming they probably

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went straight they were building dams. Yeah, they had dams

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built within two weeks. Wow. So nowadays there are ways

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to prevent beaver dams from causing floods, like the beaver BAFFLERFWA,

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which is a pipe that is installed through the beaver

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dam to allow a low flow of water to escape.

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And it's fish friendly, so it's like a fish ladder.

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And because of how helpful beaver dams are, they are

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being brought back to areas of Utah, Idaho and other states.

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So they've been extremely successful in helping to limit wildfires

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and manage drought conditions. So they keep the water in

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instead of it just going out and evaporating. Yeah, so

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fires aren't as bad. There's actually a stream restoration company

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in Utah called Anna Branch Solutions, which relocates beavers to

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help restore greenery for the area. They build the beavers

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and man made dam first so they'll have a home

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upon arrival and will stick around. And then they let

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them go to work, and they can take a stream

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from only flowing half the year to flowing year round,

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which increases plant life wow, shade trees, fish populations, and

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bird populations. So they basically slow it down so the

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water lasts yeah until the next rainy season. Yeah wow yeah,

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very important. So this type of conservation project is so

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successful that you can even see it from space. NASA's

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Ecological Conservation program that is a mouthful which I'm sure

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doesn't have long to live, which has now been determined

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to be waste, fraud and abuse. Yes I was gonna say,

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which I'm sure doesn't have long to live at the

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hands of Dodgy of Elmo, I mean Elon say bye. Yeah,

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not the good Almo that helped drop beavers from a plane,

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the bad Almo. Bye bye. NASA's Ecological Conservation program major

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Oh wait wait wait SpaceX will take it up. Oh,

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there you go. We got you. No worries, we got you.

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So they use NASA satellites to regularly take images of

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the Earth's surface and they can see the impact of

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all those beavers that were parachuted into Idaho in the

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nineteen forties. Wow. So you can actually see the increased

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greenery from space. And when a wildfire torched the surrounding

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area in twenty eighteen, you could see that the beaver

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area resisted the fire. Oh wow, m hm. So instead

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of raking a forest, we need to drop beavers into it. Yes,

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we need to keep the forest because you know what

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also happens when you clearcut a forest is that flooding

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and fires increase because what grows up afterwards is highly

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flammable material. Absolutely. Also, you're decimating the habitats of lots

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of animals. But screw the animals. That won't be any money.

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It won't be a good enough excuse in a capitalistic society.

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Do those spotted owls make any money?

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No?

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No, So I'm very upset about what's going on right

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now with the they're planning on basically like deforesting our

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national parks national parks. Dan Evans is rolling over in

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is great? Absolutely as a Republican. Look, sorry, we're ranting.

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You're lucky that you're getting a podcast, exactly. It is

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very hard to do a fun podcast in a time

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like this. It's seems like a distraction and waste of time. Yes,

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but maybe we can highlight wonderful, important creatures. Well.

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It does help me when I hear things have been

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somewhat like this in the past, and that we have

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as human beings overcome these things and improve them and

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made them better. Yes, so to talk about them in

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that way is hopeful, It.

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Is absolutely so. This unhinged story of parachuting beavers has

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left a big impression on the local community. New Colony

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Beer Company and Boise even incorporated it into their logo

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with a cute little beaver using a parachute made out

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of hot flowers. Oh, it's so amazing. I love it

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so much. I need a T shirt. They have a

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huge mural in their tap room commemorating the event, So Mark,

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make sure you take us there when we visit. Absolutely,

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we need to know. I need a T shirt from there,

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for sure. It's so cute. So what's the moral of

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the story, Maybe, just maybe instead of bulldozing everything for

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another strip mall nobody asks for. We should take a

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lesson from the beers, work with nature instead of against it. Absolutely,

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because if a beaver can survive being yeaded out of

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an airplane, surely we humans can figure out how to

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coexist without turning every less patch of green into a

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parking lot. And hey, if all use fails, maybe we

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just need to start air dropping beavers into developers front lawns,

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you know, for conservation. God, that would be amazing developers

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I have, So can we make a list? I know

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who needs a beaver in their backyard? I know people. Well,

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thank you guys for this was fun. You did change

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my mind. Did I change your mind about? You did

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change my mind about beavers. Now I have a whole

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different view of them. Yes, they are not destructive. They

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are helpful. They're just doing what they were made to do. Man,

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beavers are gonna beave. Damn they're They're just doing their thing. Yep,

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they are damn good little critters. This is a damn

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good story. Thank you. You're a damn good listener. All right, guys, Well,

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remember you can always reach out to me at Shayariny

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day rabbit holes dot com. If you have a story

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of unhinged history or unhinged animals that you want us

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to cover. Happy to hear all of your suggestions and

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always happy to hear from you. It makes us feel

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when you reach out to us. It makes us feel

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like we're reaching somebody, and it makes it all worth it, absolutely,

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because when we feel like we're just talking into dead air,

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it can get a little tiresome. So when we know

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that people are listening and we know that people appreciate

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what we're doing, it absolutely means the world to us.

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So even if you don't have the wherewithal to support

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us financially, just sending us a nice message or leaving

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us a nice review on Apple podcasts, that is so

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helpful to just keep us happy and going, especially now

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when things are weird, right, it helps damn up the

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bad things and yes are the water and keeps us,

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keeps us fresh, make happy, a little pool of happiness. Yes,

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So help us make a little pool of happiness instead

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of all that happiness flowing downstream into a desert. Help

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our ecosystem. Yes, thank you all right, Well, thank you, Jody,

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thank you, Shay. Great story. You're welcome all right, thank

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you Rof for being a good boy. Yes, Les, minimal

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bumps to the minimal. All right, guys, well, we'll see

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you next time. Ann see you down the rabbit hole.