Sept. 16, 2025

The Raines Transcript

The Raines Transcript

NEW EPISODE TOMORROW! But here is this previous https://www.patreon.com/PNWHauntsandHomicides exclusive bonus, that we constantly reference. From episode 147 https://www.pnwhauntsandhomicides.com/clairvoyant-tarot-reader-cons-timber-tycoon/: Explore...

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NEW EPISODE TOMORROW! But here is this previous Patreon exclusive bonus, that we constantly reference. From episode 147 Clairvoyant Tarot-reader Cons Timber Tycoon: Explore the saga of the Raines family, a shockingly sinister tale about the elaborate deception that led to the downfall of their Pacific Northwest timber empire.

I think we'll just let this one speak for itself. I really can't come up with a way to write up "show notes" for this one but this was hilarious and so much fun. Cassie's faces were priceless. Without further ado - feast your creepy little ear holes on this bizarre old timey time capsule. Don't ever let a Boomer convince you that the good old days were a simpler, more wholesome time. 

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And talk about loggers and cork boots. From that time

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backwards through the thirties and twenties, this country here was

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not quite so civilized as it is now. You are

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not fucking ready for this. I'm ready, you guys.

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You'll never be ready. I'm holding my butt.

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Turn that thing off for a minute, and I'll tell

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you the rest of it to see if you want

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to record it. He says to the interviewer, what your

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voice sounds even more rich and creamy than normal? Rich

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and creamy, rich and creamy. Oh boy, all right, well

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I'm you know what, never mind, I was gonna say.

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I can't wait to hear whether the Patreon thinks that

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my voice sounds richer and creamier.

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But please don't tell me, Please don't tell me.

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Hi Cassie, Hi, Caitlin, Hi, creepy people, Hi Patreon, creepy people.

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Oh yeah, she did it, She did it right.

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Do you guys hear my voice shake because I'm waving

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so hard on my body.

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She's wig going.

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I always have to wave. I feel like it just

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sends good energy to you guys. Us I think so

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I felt it good. I mean, I'm in the same room.

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But you know, Okay, yeah, what are we doing? Do

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you remember when we talked about the clairvoyant tarot reader

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that was like three days ago. Yeah, it's pretty recently,

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so I was kind of hoping you'd say, yes.

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I do.

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That was like one of my favorite episodes now I know. Yeah,

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you were the second person to send him my way.

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Oh yeah, we talked all about it in the episode.

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Do you remember though? I told you that?

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And I wanted to warn the Patreon too, don't go

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rummaging through the paste bin to look through all of

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the source material yet, because I really wanted everyone to

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have this experience of me reading a portion of one

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of the transcripts to you.

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Yeah, I remember, okay.

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And I had a strong visual of all the creepy

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people digging through trash cans.

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It's a paste bin, not a trash bin.

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This has been been Yeah, okay, miss you sound like

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y'all London done.

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Waste bind pastebin. Oh very easy to I see what

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you did there.

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So this is actually an interview that was conducted by

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someone that I wasn't going to look that deep.

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Okay.

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It's on the Pacific University Library in their archives.

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Ok And this was typed up on a typewriter.

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Ooh cute.

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Yeah, and you can tell because of the fond and

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also because of the tiny little corrections that they hand

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penned in.

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Oh my god, cute, it's really cute.

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Yeah.

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We might have to post a picture of some of

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the funny little corrections that they put in.

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Okay.

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The following oral history interview is with Ralph W. Rains,

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a longtime resident of Washington County who has grown up

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around the lumber industry for his entire life. The entire

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interview is over three hours in length, in which time

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a great many topics are discussed or touched upon. And

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Cassie just got a look on her face that was like,

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holy shit, is she reading me a three hour interview?

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I hope. So I'm gonna close my eyes. I bang

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over my eyes and taken oap, you go for it.

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No, it's not the whole thing.

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And there's a there's a particular part that I really

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wanted to share with you.

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Okay. I love the oral interviews. Oh boy.

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The conversation generally follows a chronological order, beginning with his

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grandparents coming across the plains and eventually settling an Oregon.

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So this is literally like his origin story.

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Ooh, his Oregon origin story. Oh, I see what you

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did there? I liked it. Thanks, Yeah, Ralph's father WALDO

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where is where? That was the funniest thing ever.

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That was my favorite joke I've ever made.

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I mean, thankfully, I was there to be just completely

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oblivious to like the most obvious dad joke, and it

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was hilarious.

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And I just it just sailed right overhead.

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You know, perfect, perfect delivery. I know it was. It

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was remarkable. Oh my gosh.

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The story is spiced.

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Along the way with logging anecdotes, hilariously funny stories, and

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personal experiences that loggers men of the woods who are famous.

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For I love a man of the woods.

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The interview is a valuable resource tool in the respect

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that it covers the logging industry and its different aspects,

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from the small lumber mill to the more mechanized and

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efficient operations to the new field of tree farming, all

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told in a human personal way. The user is encouraged

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to listen to the tapes and read the transcript for

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maximum benefit and enjoyment.

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Oh did you listen and read? Uh?

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No, I didn't come across the recording. I'm sure I

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probably could have figured out a way to find it,

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but I didn't. The interview takes place on February twenty seventh,

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nineteen seventy eight, at mister Rains's home up in the

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mountains outside of the town of Cherry Grove.

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I know it's the whole sun. Is Cherry Grove still

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a town?

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I have no idea how we should find out?

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Me let me google map sit real quick.

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Cool?

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Is it Oregon?

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Yeah?

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Uh yes, I think so. It sounds familiar. If it's

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not then unincorporated community. Okay, yeah, I was gonna say,

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I think it's in like a rural part of like

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the Gaston area maybe, which already Gaston is even now

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still pretty rural.

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Yeah, Roald Jahreer, I have to do it every time.

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I can't.

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Look at that so cute kind of close to Forrest Grove,

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Well not that close, but it's like on this map

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right here Forrest Groves.

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Everything is really far from Forrest Grove, so like if

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you're like less than three hours away, it's like, oh, look, it's.

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Kind of close.

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Yeah, So, Ralph said, I receive Christmas cards and sometimes

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visits from fellows that worked for me in the past,

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and I'm proud of it.

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That means a lot to me. That's real value in

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my life.

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Oh, I know he's so sweet.

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I know that's Ralph's senior. When fellows come to work

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for me, the set of instructions was. I assumed it

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already when he'd come to work, he'd already been screened,

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and I knew he knew his job. I tell him that. Here,

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the name of the game is get logs. Get those lags.

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If that's the name of that, that's the name of Maggie. Now,

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if you don't think you can stand up and hold

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up with the rest of the crew, we don't cut

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the pay here. You'll just have to quit. It's get

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logs and get logs safely. If you can't do that,

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we don't like to make widows here.

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Oh seriously, we just talked about a lumberjack with a

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tree falling on him, got a treat, he got a

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tree falling on him. I'll try you fallen. That's not

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how you speak English, but whatever.

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Yeah, that's how some people do when they feel like it.

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Okay, we'll go with I did that on purpose.

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Yeah, it was folksy. We're not widow makers here. Get

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logs and get logs they did one summer. We averaged

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nineteen hundred board feet per man per day all summer long,

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which seems like a lot.

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I don't really have a I want to comparison right now.

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I know, Well, too bad, because that's not even the

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main point of this.

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Well.

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I like that he calls them fellows. I know, it's

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like cut.

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That was well over double the production of the average

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in the state that year, which was about nine hundred

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and thirty six board feet per man per day. So

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I mean, I guess that's kind of a measuring stick, right,

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Like that tells you nine hundred and thirty nine hundred

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and thirty six versus their nineteen hundred. Oh wow, okay, yeah,

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that's pretty more than double. See it took a little

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while for you, Yeah, to go in my brain. I

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find that with numbers, I like I need to see it. Yeah,

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a lot of times I'm just more visual.

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That, right, with visualizers. You writing it on a chalkboard. Yeah, yeah,

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that's hilarious. Yeah, our brains are the same.

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You were wearing glasses and everything.

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Aw oh wow, okay, well, oh my god.

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Okay, but we had a show. I want to tell you.

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You just wouldn't believe it, which is like just so

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fucking wholesome and folksy.

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I can hear it.

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Wouldn't believe it. Yeah, it's so cute.

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It's so cute. Grandpa, tell me more story.

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Yeah, okay, and then well you'll see and talk about

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loggers and cork boots. From that time backwards through the

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thirties and twenties, this country here was not quite so

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civilized as it is now.

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Oh my.

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Saturday night dances.

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The fellows would all get in from the woods, the

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Saturday night dances at Shady Side Dance Hall and out

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to Balm Grove, the wild affairs.

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Oh my goodness. Oh it was a pop in town. Yeah.

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If those went on today, the state police and the

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National Guard and every other thing would be out here,

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the FBI to round up the moonshiners, quell the rioting. Damn,

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you wouldn't believe it. I wouldn't I.

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Fully believe it. I want to go to this party.

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Finally, she's like, so you're telling me there's lumberjacks at

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a party. Lumberjackson, moonshine, that's all you need. We always

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used to speculate. I remember when I was a teenager.

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We always used to several of us would get together

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and say, where are we going tonight?

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Where are we going to have the biggest Donnie Brook tonight?

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What the Donnie Brook?

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I'm gonna I'm gonna actually look it up because I'm like,

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I kind of have like a cursory.

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Also, by teenagers, they mean they were twenty one, right

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or was it eighteen?

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Well he's well, he's talking about like it doesn't matter

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because like in some of this time period alcohol wasn't

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legal at all.

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Oh oh my goodness.

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That's why you're saying the moonshiners, because that's where moonshine

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comes from.

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Doyle. Yeah, why would why would the FBI be involved?

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Like?

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Well, I mean, I guess like it could be that wild.

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I don't know, so Donny Brook. A scene of uproar

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and disorder, a heated argument, which actually I'm glad I

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read that because just hold that for a second.

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Okay, wait, can you read it one more time? All right?

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A scene of uproar and disorder, a heated argument. Okay,

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was it going to be Balm Grove or was it

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going to be Shady Side? I remember it Shady Side.

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Why loggers a lot of times on Saturdays. Why they'd

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be in from the woods. Maybe they didn't even have

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their cork boots changed yet, but they always had to

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stop and wet their whistle at the tavern.

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What their whistle? What their whistle?

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Sometimes they would show up with their logging clothes on

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and maybe just their slippers, their slippers. They called them

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dancing slippers at all. You know, I'm just not well

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enough informed about the footwear of lumberjacks in the early

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nineteen hundreds, but I can look into it.

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I'm gonna need you to.

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I can't picture a lumberjack dancing and ugg slippers.

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It's exactly what I would picture with the fur like

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these ones right up here. Yeah, oh boy.

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If they didn't have their dancing slippers, why sometimes they

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were there in.

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Their corks cork boots. I don't with the cork boots.

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Yeah, you know, there's a lot of stuff in here

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that's real old timy man. I mean, I just think,

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you know, working boots, like yeah, I think so. I'm

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just picturing somebody in like the cerel boots, you know,

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like the like real currel boots, like the work working,

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not like the cute like, yeah, for the Saturday night

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dance when the fight started, why you would always run

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over to the side and stand up on the benches

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so as you could get a better view. And it

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says in parentheses laughs, a better view of what of

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the fight? Oh oh okay, Sorry, that was a dumb quest.

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I know you're like, wait what. I know, there's a

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lot going on here.

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It's a lot to absorb, but I feel like the

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payoff here and it's not far off.

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I could tell you about some of those fights.

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Sometimes it got to be six or seven of them

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going at it at the same time.

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Was this fight club? It's like it he's not supposed

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to talk about I was supposed to talk about fight club.

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I remember one time at Shady Side Dance Hall they

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had one brawl. Shady Side was built right on the

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side of Gales Creek or Scoggin's Creek rather, because it's

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very important that you know which creek. Yeah, obviously the

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creek Creek right on the edge of Scoggin's Creek, right

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exactly where the old TV Highway no way uh huh

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goes over the Scoggins Creek right there. It has now

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fell down with the snow about ten to twelve years

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ago something like that.

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So I guess that doesn't exist.

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Oh but anyhow, this door on the side of the

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building was always nailed shut. The loggers all got in

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a fight there one night, and they picked up one

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guy and threw him right through the door. Damn, that

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takes a lot of force, I feel like, and went

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out the door and went right over the bank and

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right into the creek.

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Wait, there was a door just to the edge. I guess. So.

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Yeah, it's interesting, very strange.

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Ooh, I wonder if they like used to drop off

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shady shit there from the Probably you can be like

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they were canoeing down the creek and dropping off shady shit.

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That makes no sense.

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You would be an excellent criminal mind. I would be

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criminal mastermind. Yeah, there are some stories I could tell you.

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And boy does he like I feel like he is. Yeah,

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he's spilling all of the tea. Okay, do you have

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your tea ready? No?

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I spilled it.

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Yeah that's correct. Yeah, yeah, stories, good God. Even the

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girls used to get into it, damn, pulling.

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Hair, well, scratch and that thought too.

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One night we were out there at Balm Grove and

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two girls got into some kind of a scrap. I

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don't know what it was over. Anyhow, the fight was

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on and outside they went right in front of the

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doorstep of Balm Grove Dance Hall. Out there there was

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a heck of a big mud puddle, and the damned

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mud puddle I don't know. It seemed to me like

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it was maybe ten to twelve feet across, maybe four

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to six inches deep something like that.

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Wow, that's a pond it is.

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Yeah, Oh good lord, I think if you guys haven't

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figured out where this is going. The girls got to

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scrapping it out right in the middle of that mud puddle.

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One of them got the other one down in the

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middle of that puddle, her dress clear up over her head,

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got almighty no pants on in parentheses life, Oh.

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My gosh, was this the first mud wrestling competition?

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Is this the origin story we've triangulated patient zero?

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Oh my god, hold my moonshine, and I gotta mud

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wrestle this bitch.

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Yeah.

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I don't know why we have Southern ext in cemt.

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I don't because it seems like such a Southern thing.

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I guess I don't know. Ye Listen, I'm kind of

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getting a weird visual where it's like she's taken off

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her earrings, but they're like these gorgeous like Art deco earrings,

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and it's very confusing.

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The imagery is confusing. Yeah, where do panties go? That's

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what I want to know.

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I mean, maybe that's why the other girl was fighting her,

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because she's like run around and no panties, trying to

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get her man's.

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Yeah, well, all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna wrap this up.

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You're not you are not ready, Okay, you are not

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fucking ready for this. I'm ready, you guys, You'll never

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be ready. I'm holding my butt this. I can't turn

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that thing off for a minute. And I'll tell you

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the rest of it to see if you want to

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record it. He says to the interviewer.

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What, oh my gosh, one of these girls.

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I don't remember who the girls were. By god, she

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just reached right down and grabbed a hold of her

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hair right between her crotch and just stretch that thing

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something terrible. The one picked the other up and threw

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her over her shoulder, and almighty, I'm telling the truth.

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End of tape two. Side to s she grabbed her

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by her beaver bush.

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This is all, you know, more proof that you just

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need to be waxing otherwise to get a fight.

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That's something that should be grabbed. Okay, So here's the thing.

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When I first read this, I thought he was saying

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that the girl whose dress had been pulled up. I

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thought he was saying she was grabbing her beaver bus,

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oh her own. But I think, yeah, the other way

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makes more sense.

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God, that must have been a really big bush holy.

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Shit to be able to grab on. I mean that

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she might've been grabbing onto some other things too. Oh

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oh my god. Yeah.

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Wow.

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So people just been wallin since before Willin was wollin.

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You know, no cap Oh my god, did.

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I tell you what my wax lady said about I

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got a wax while it was snowy. No, so there

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was only a few people that braved the snowy conditions

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to go get their wax, because, let me tell you,

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you don't want to miss one if you don't if

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you miss one. And she called us the tundra beavers. Oh,

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because we braved the tundra.

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Oh my god.

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Well obviously this this was meant to be.

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That's hilarious.

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I just can't because it starts out so wholesome, and

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I'm like.

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Grandpa, tell me more stories about logging.

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Grandpa, No, wow, that's hilarious.

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Yeah, I mean. And here's the thing. When you asked

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are we going to do a tiro reading? I thought

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to myself, like, oh boy, what if we get a

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beaver exactly? That would be the greatest thing ever. You

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should we should still do it? I think, Okay, are

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you done?

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Is that the end? That's the end, There's no more. Listen.

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This is one ancient man who was too embarrassed to

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even just keep going in the story.

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On the recording without checking with his So cute, I.

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Know it is.

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It is nice I have a man to like think

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about that because you know, do locker room talking. So yeah,

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I don't know, I appreciate it.

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Tubes.

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He didn't say beaber, right, I said beaver. Yeah, he

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definitely wasn't talking.

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Pretty sure he's only referring to the the animal if

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he's ever said beaver.

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He didn't even say bush, No, he didn't. Do you

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think he would be.

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Friends with Beaver's because they they both kind of do

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the same thing.

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Logging, Like, you know, did you just ask me that?

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I went to split the deck and oh is that

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it's not beaver but it's a chip bunt.

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Oh.

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I was like, would chuck? Yeah, I could chuck. What Oh,

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you might be right? What stop it? What is it?

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It's the page of Pinnacles. Okay, So tell him what

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happened while I look this up. Okay.

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So I went to split the tarot deck so I

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could shuffle and we could just do a quick little

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just for funzies tiro reading. And as I split the

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deck and I went to shuffle, I realized that the

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two ends of the deck, one of the cards was

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page of Pentacles, which looks like kind of like a

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woodchuck or a chipmunk.

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Type townshend, chipmunk, keep that up, I feel like, okay, diligent, dependable, ambition, planning,

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building new skills, starting an investment, planting a seed like

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I feel like we were supposed to.

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Get that one too.

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Building building, it says, building a new building, new skills.

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Oh like, when you grab your slaps, let me read

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this short while she's shuffling.

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I'm going to read the little story in the little book.

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Just one more, he thought, setting out on another excursion.

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Move quietly, don't attract attention, stay in the brush too.

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Oh my god, stay in the brushed to avoid the

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red hawk.

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Stop it.

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Stands.

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I can't read that again. Okay, stand the bush to

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avoid the red hawk. Pray the weasels not around. Spot

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the oak from the top of the rise, the blackberries

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just below it, towards the water.

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Grab some Oh my god, Cassie.

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Grab some thistle seeds on the way out or I

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can't even talk. Okay, grab some thistle seeds on the

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way back. Stash them safely, sigh and relief, survive or

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survey the horde just one more so. It's like a

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little chipmunk grabbing seeds and like storing them away.

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Belus. Really funny, Okay.

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I just went to shuffle again and then there was

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all the hat.

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Oh weird. Yeah, he said something about a hawk.

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I just think of like the red hawk as being

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the girl who crab the other girl's bush.

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Yeah, I feel what did you get?

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Stop it? Should I should we have been recording this?

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Did you get a bobery?

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No?

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Oh oh oh, it's the strength card.

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Okay, Yeah, which is isn't that mine? Yeah? Has a

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salmon on it? I think it's a salmon. Is it

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a salmon. You tell me strength.

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God, I feel like this man, lumberjack man had strength

439
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for sure.

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Well yeah, if nothing else, we can take that away

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from this.

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Yeah, God damn it. Keep passing it, sockeye salmon.

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Ah, that's a good one, the tasty.

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Can strength exist without opposition? Probably not. The salmon's strength

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is only necessary, only meaningful when positioned against the current. Oh,

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strength against all the forces that push back against him,

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against doubt, against the water, against competition. It is that

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countering force that gives him the strength to face things

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directly and fly upward to leap.

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Hmm. The salmon ponders this, or more likely doesn't.

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As he charges forward in a single minded, lustful drive.

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Is powerful and surfened. Ah. That's like a joke I

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would make.

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He is unstoppable by any force within or without. Yeah,

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those horny ass salmon, I.

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Mean yeah, just like the loggers. I'm guessing. Okay.

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So keywords are inner power, overcoming weaknesses, courage, and persistence,

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and it says Although some interpreters view this card as

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emblematic of the struggle with your animal nature, others see

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it as symbolic of self confidence and inner strength of

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being in harmony with your instinctive nature.

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What did it say about your animal nature that it's

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emblematic of the struggle with your animal nature, like brawling.

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Yeah, I was, well, I'm not gonna say what I

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like grabbing people by the beaver. Yeah no, there's an

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extra excerpt. So some decks assign strength and number eleven

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and give justice number eight.

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Oh right, right right, I disagree.

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Yeah, I think strength and eight are more closely aligned,

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and so did the creators of the writer Waite Smith Deck,

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who broke with the older numbering system. From the perspective

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of numerology, eight corresponds to pragmatism, material mastery, financial success.

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Whereas.

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I was going to say, the rains like this is

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very like emblematic of who oh yeah, I ah, you

476
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know really all of the men in this family, whereas

477
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eleven represents humanitarianism and equality.

478
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Oh, like humanitarianism. Isn't that like helping people?

479
00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:43.440
Yeah?

480
00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:46.960
Yeah, weren't they like kind of about that, like preserving

481
00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:49.519
the environment and like making sure the.

482
00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:51.519
Earth was I mean I would say that's like more

483
00:29:51.559 --> 00:29:57.799
about it's like conservation, virus sustainability. Yeah, but I mean,

484
00:29:58.160 --> 00:30:01.359
like still kind of from the perspect of you know,

485
00:30:02.039 --> 00:30:04.640
just like, don't be a dick. Yeah, well, conserving the

486
00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:07.880
earth is like helping people see it. Yeah, that's a

487
00:30:07.960 --> 00:30:12.400
kindness to your fellow man, your future man, your fellow man,

488
00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:18.759
all fellow. When strength shows up reversed, it suggests a

489
00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:22.920
struggle between your inner and outer selves. Either you're being

490
00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:28.960
controlled by your emotions and your animal nature feels fair,

491
00:30:31.640 --> 00:30:35.200
or you're ignoring your instincts and only listening to logic.

492
00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:38.319
I think it's up. I don't think it's a second one.

493
00:30:38.440 --> 00:30:42.440
No brute force alone won't get you where you want

494
00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:48.960
to go. Set your ego aside for now. Dang and

495
00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:55.599
strength like fighting people. Yeah, I made a strong arm andy,

496
00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:57.519
I'm like doing things for the camera.

497
00:30:57.599 --> 00:30:58.559
But it's not all I know.

498
00:30:58.640 --> 00:31:04.480
We didn't turn it on. Whoops, we weren't gonna Okay.

499
00:31:04.519 --> 00:31:08.799
Let's see in a reading about money interferes insecurity or

500
00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:14.960
indecision may be interfering with your prosperity, or you may

501
00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:19.000
be using the wrong means to gain financially, listen to

502
00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:22.880
your instincts as well as your intellect to avoid setbacks.

503
00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:24.720
That's interesting.

504
00:31:24.759 --> 00:31:27.880
I feel like that's very I don't know that it

505
00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:32.200
feels like it relates specifically to this little bonusy bonus,

506
00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:38.039
but huh to the case itself with Ralph. If the

507
00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:41.240
reading is about your job, you may feel overwhelmed by

508
00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:45.559
a situation or uncertain how to handle it. Oh yeah,

509
00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:48.480
like if your dad handles the business side of things,

510
00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:54.640
and oh yeah, lack of confidence keeps you from achieving

511
00:31:54.680 --> 00:31:57.960
your goals. This card can also mean you're trying to

512
00:31:58.119 --> 00:32:02.240
muscle your way ahead, which will likely fail. Your position

513
00:32:02.599 --> 00:32:06.119
may not be as strong as you think. In a

514
00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:09.680
reading about love, you may be afraid to show your

515
00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:14.000
true feelings and put up a tough facade. However, this

516
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:18.400
won't bring the happiness you seek. Relinquish your defenses, put

517
00:32:18.440 --> 00:32:20.839
your ego aside, and open your heart to make a

518
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:21.839
relationship work.

519
00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:25.119
Hmm, what's going on over there? Giggle?

520
00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:25.440
Oh?

521
00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:29.359
I was thinking about Wait, I can't remember what you

522
00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:30.880
said before the loved one?

523
00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:32.759
What was like the last sentence you read?

524
00:32:33.799 --> 00:32:36.599
Your position may not be as strong as you think.

525
00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:39.079
I was thinking. Your biaber may not be as strong

526
00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:49.000
as you think. I mean, while she lived, so who

527
00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:50.960
knows how much biaber hair got pulled out?

528
00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:51.240
Though?

529
00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:56.319
Can you imagine having a fist full of dark and curlies.

530
00:32:56.519 --> 00:33:00.720
Oh my god, why you read that story too?

531
00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:04.680
You know, And I feel like I'm gonna live long

532
00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:07.920
enough to regret it, probably, but it was too funny.

533
00:33:08.119 --> 00:33:08.880
Oh man.

534
00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:13.680
It was quite shocking. And it was near the end

535
00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:17.920
of me researching this case, and there was so much

536
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:23.359
like background on kind of their you know, the family

537
00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:26.680
and the businesses and everything coming up in that area.

538
00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:28.839
And then I get to the bottom and I'm like,

539
00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:31.960
holy hell, oh.

540
00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:36.559
Man, that's funny. That was great. Thank you. I needed

541
00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:37.279
a good laugh.

542
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:40.440
Yeah, I have.

543
00:33:40.359 --> 00:33:41.519
A creepy as day.

544
00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:44.599
See you next Tuesday or whenever.

545
00:33:44.799 --> 00:33:47.880
We you know, there's your Patreon you get things whenever. Yeah,

546
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:54.640
we just do stuff. But like, protect your beavers. Don't

547
00:33:54.640 --> 00:33:56.720
be so creepy that you pull someone's beaver hair out

548
00:33:57.799 --> 00:34:04.279
seriously fistful of darkened girly. Oh no, I have to

549
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:04.400
go