Sept. 17, 2025

Near-Death Experiences (NDEs)

Near-Death Experiences (NDEs)
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We're back from summer break this week to explore near-death experiences and the intriguing commonalities people have during these moments. From overwhelming peace to moving towards a light, we consider how these experiences might be linked to the brain's chemical responses. 

Through stories of personal anecdotes and scientific insights, we delve into the stages of these experiences. Inviting listeners to ponder the mysteries of life and death with a touch of humor and curiosity. 

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Not all people experience the same exact thing, but like

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the overall the commonalities are very very similar.

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Yeah, okay, Yeah, everything that I've read, understood, and consumed

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kind of indicates that there are just like certain commonalities

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that most people report.

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I feel like the one everyone knows if you think

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about like dying or like go to the light. That's yeah,

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and that is part of this. It's one of the stages,

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but it's not the first stage.

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Oh hi, Caitlin, Hi Cassie, all Hi, creepy people, helly,

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this is PNW Haunts and Homicides In case you forgot.

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I know, we took a little bit of a break,

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like a half sea break.

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Yeah, but we're pretty much back full time now. So yeah,

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get sick of us. I like that. Have z's have

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zea break, have z e's. Yeah, I took a little

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longer break than plan, but I'm back now. Yeah. Surprise,

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I'm back with a let bubu. So if you're curious

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about that, join Patreon because there is a bonus and

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I'm not going to show it to you because we

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opened it on Patreon, so I'm not going to show it.

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It's a surprise. That's so fun. Caitlin took me to

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our gate keepy spot. Great, I don't anyway, this is

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anything we do well, I was going to finish. This

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is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we chat about true crime,

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the paranormal, and all things spooky, weird, creepy, other worldly.

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Deathly in the Pacific Northwest. Okay, great, I dontly. I

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think I meant to say deadly, not deathly. Deathly. It

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is deathly a word. Deathly is a word, I think

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in the context that you're trying to use it, I

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think deadly.

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I think, Yeah, I don't know either one.

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I feel like it's almost interchangeable, both just from the

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little like snippets that you have revealed to me throughout

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the day of what your topic may be.

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A but if it's like a deadly one, we do

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tear a reading at the end of every episode for

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a little palette cleanser and also a little deeper insight

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into our topic for the day. Yeah, we do, And

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we do that. I mean in every episode, not just

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if it's a scary deadly one. We do it in

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every episode. So yeah, yeah, so far, who knows, we're wild.

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We could change, we could change on you. We could

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up and change on you at any second, at a

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moment's notice.

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We're just like looking to harness that like blind box energy.

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We're looking for our next viral marketing scheme.

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Today is my episode. I'm back Hi here, I'm back

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with stories.

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Also, I'm feeling really bad because the last episode I

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did was about me, and then I'm like, let's just

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talk about me again. I want to talk about me.

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You want to talk about as we're going to rename

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the podcast Hants and Cassie and Caitlin is no longer involved.

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I was like, wait, haunts already is the Cassie. I'm

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just like doing the math like you're the Haunts. Now

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you did thet it's haunts and Cassie, you do the Haunts.

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I do the Cassie.

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Okay, But anyway, I apologize for constantly talking about my

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own self. But yeah, it's such Leo energy, it really is.

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I do have a Leo Leo Are you rising venus?

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Leo h Venus?

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Oh spicy, good for you?

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Spicy anyway, So now I feel like that, and now

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I feel like embarrassed because now people are looking at

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me like, oh, hi, Leo Venus. We know a lot

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about it. You anyway, maybe we should put this at

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the top of the episode tail and if you're sensitive

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about talking about details of dying and death, maybe sold

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one who would be that. I know, I know we

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talk about like, we talk about death all the time constantly.

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It's true crime, it's ghosts. But this is just like

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kind of what people go through as they're dying. So

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it's kind of very specific. So if you're just sensitive

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to that right now, you know, back to it, skip it.

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So do you Okay, I'll see you later.

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I know, I know.

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I felt like, yeah, I feel that. I know you're

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so good to see you. Guys. Oh sorry, you torture me,

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so I to you. This episode was inspired by real

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life events. And just like before anyone gets too scared,

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I did not die. I did not actually die. Okay,

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I didn't it almost die. Okay, So you're not podcasting

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from like the grade, yes, but this is they're going

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to see the title near death Experiences. And I didn't

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want people to panic for a minute.

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Okay.

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So this was inspired by something that happened to me. Code.

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Let's just say I'm a little traumatic sometimes. What I

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had an incident in my bathroom alone one day. Oh god.

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So I was just standing there like brush my teeth.

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That was at the end. I know, I'm not going

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to go into me. It's kind of detail. But it's fine.

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It's not stressful anymore. We're okay, We're not everything side.

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I love it. It's great. So I was standing doing

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like my mouth washed, looking in the mirror. I was

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like not bending, moving, I was standing just being a person,

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just standing there, just people in that type of thing,

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looking in the mirror, thinking about who knows what. Oh

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I was Actually I was watching a podcast. I was

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listening to the podcast, and my lower back popped like

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I had popped, like I had like moved, just did

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all of it like I had moved.

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And it popped so loud that it like startled me

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and it felt like I felt like the skeleton shift

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in my body.

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And it was very confusing. Uh. And this happened just

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like before super recent events. This happened like weeks ago. Yeah,

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just like a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, so before

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super recent events. So none nothing inspired this, Well something did,

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I'll tell you. Oh my god. I thought for a second,

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but I had like been shot because it was so

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loud and startling and out of nowhere. And I remember

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watching this documentary it was like and I survived or

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something when I was very young and someone had been

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shot and they didn't feel it. Yeah they because yep.

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So for some reason, like initially like in your back,

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in your spine, like and so for some reason, I

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just had this. I was like, did I just get

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like shot? It was the I don't know where it came.

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It was weird. And then I was very confused, as

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was staying there trying to figure out. Quickly, I realized, Okay,

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I didn't get shot, but I was like, something happened

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in my back, but I like, I can feel I'm

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not numb. I can feel things, but I'm not in

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pain at all.

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And and then I start my vision starts to.

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Go it like tunnel and I'm getting hot clammy. I'm

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looking in the mirror. I literally like see all the

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drain like or the drain blood from my face, all

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the blood drain from my face, all the drain blood

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from my face, and I'm like shit. And this happened

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like super fast but also very slow, like I had

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time to kind of think about things, but not really

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and I was like I'm about to pass out. So

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I got I was like, I gotta get low. I

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gotta get low to the ground. So I'm like grabbing

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the sink and I get low, and then like I

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don't remember anything after I get like my wasn't on

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the ground yet, and then I just I woke up

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in the corner of my bathroom.

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Oh, I really don't like this. I really really don't

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like this.

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And I was like, what the fuck just happened?

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Bro, I just painted in my hooking bathroom, And like

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I said, I did have a lot of time to

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think weirdly, because it was like slow motion almost. Yeah,

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but I feel like in the same like it's it's

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probably actually happening so fast, but it's like, but.

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It seemed very slow, yeah, the passing out of it,

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because I could feel myself like sinking into like passing out.

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And I feel like that's like something like neurologically where

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like you're it feels like it's happening really slow, but

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I feel like it's because your brain isn't like doing

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the brain stuff.

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Yeah, it might be like trying to help you out

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to like yeah, you know, get low, get low, hit

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your head on something, which I did not, thankfully, But

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I had time to think as I was like starting

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to pass out or like it was like getting black

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or I know, I was like holding onto the sync,

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but I was thinking about I like basically had my

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life flash before my eyes because like I knew I

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was passing out, but I didn't know why, and so

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I kind of just assumed I was dying.

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So I was like, Okay, I'm dying now, this is

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this is this bike, Cassie, this is the end.

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But I wasn't scared or anything, and it felt like

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very calm, very peaceful, Like I was like, Okay, I've

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had a pretty good life. I'm also not done yet.

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I do know that. Like I like I did realize,

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like I'm not ready to go. I have a lot

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of things to do, like not quite ready, but like okay,

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I was at peace with it, you know. So that

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was like that was very interesting to me, yeah, because

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it was like not scary. But again I wasn't actually dying,

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so maybe my body knew that, but my brain definitely

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did not know. I don't know. Yeah, so I felt

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like I kind of had a near death experience, not

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completely because I wasn't dying. But I did have that

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like I actually thought I was gonna die, and like

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I had this thought like fuck, my brother, my poor

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brother is gonna find me naked on the bathroom floor.

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God d like dang it, like I'm sorry, oh no,

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sorry joey.

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Uh.

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But then I woke up and the first thought I

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had was like very confused. I had to like think,

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I'm like, oh okay, like what happened. But then I

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was like, ah, shit, I didn't die, like man, I

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still got to pay my bills. Fuck, I'm still alive.

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I'm alive. So I did have that moment of like

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dang it, but it was good to know that the

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say it part was only literally like my thought was

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about I have to pay still, So that was very comforting.

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Like there's I felt I feel better about life and things,

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yes now, which is very it's very common of in

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your death experience, which we're gonna actually talk about today. Yeah,

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I am so excited for me. Do you have any

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questions for me about like what it was like to

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basically die. Do you guys have any questions?

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Okay, I feel like just for context, I am somebody

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that is very much on the fence about like in

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terms of like people say, like especially like once you

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get married, and you know, like as we get older,

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like you have to have conversations about if there are

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certain things that are meaningful or like important to you,

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about like kind of like end of life decisions like

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how do you want your remains to be handled?

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And you know, things like that.

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And I'm like, I'm very much like on the fence

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about cremation and things like that, just because I'm like,

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I am so afraid every time I hear like stories

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about the olden days where they had like the fucking

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bells you could ring from down inside the grave, and

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like people that, oh my.

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God, that's so funny that you say that. Okay, keep going.

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I I've also you know, I feel like this is

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more like from the perspective of like I think about

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instances where people didn't necessarily it wasn't that, oh we

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thought this person was dead. I think about it in

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both ways, because I think there are times in history

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where it's it's been proven like oh, this person was

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believed to be dead, but they just had like incredibly

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low heart rates something like that.

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When like but medical stuff is so advanced now.

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Yeah, and then they but then also intentionally, some people

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have just been like obviously burned alive and like the

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idea of being able to feel that until like just so,

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I have a lot of like body horror issues related

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to like certain aspects of death, and.

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I don't know, I'm not really sure how you process that.

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And I have thoughts. Yeah. First is you can't get

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buried alive because they ferment you, right or what's that called?

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And in term like they fill your body with chemicals?

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Oh well sure?

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Yeah.

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I was like I wasn't off with ferment. There's another

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what is the name for it? Like preserving you what,

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there's a isn't there a name there? There is, my mam,

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not preservation? No, okay, you think I would know. I'm

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like obsessed with this. I wanted to be a mortician

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in ball, Thank you. I was like, it's the thing

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morticians do. Yeah, that's what I wanted to do. And

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I can't think of the word I have brain bok embalming,

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thank you, because you get embalmed, so they're gonna I mean,

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you can't survive that, so there's no.

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Way you're going, right, But what if you were alive

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up to that point and somehow they didn't realize that

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you were. I'm just saying, like, I just hear these

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stories about people that are discovered and like, obviously that's

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such It's it's.

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Not a super common thing. But then there's also.

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The cases where people thought their loved ones were being

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handled in a certain way and then they find you know,

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mortuaries that have had these horrible, like horrific practices where

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it was like, oh, we just actually let your like.

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Loved one like rot and then abandoned. Maybe I should

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be a mortician. Yeah, no, I mean there's just a

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lot I would.

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Yeah, I mean, unfortunately, it's just like anything in life

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where uh, you know, something are just like really tragic

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or they're uncomfortable to talk about, and people take advantage

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of the fact that like there's a certain amount of

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trust just like awful things happen.

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And I'm just thinking about like.

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If you are whether you're incapacitated but not deceased, or

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you are truly deceased, there are things that can be

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done to.

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You that are just really horrific.

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And it's like your suffering doesn't necessarily or at least

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maybe even your loved ones on your behalf. Like the

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suffering doesn't have to end just because your life has. Yeah,

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so I guess, okay, yeah, it's actually it's very nihilistic,

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but you're yeah.

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I'm My thought is like, if I'm dead, I don't

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really care what happens to my body. I mean, obviously

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I don't want me or anybody else to be like

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harmed or treated grossly in any way trying to like

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think of my Yeah, be careful with my words here,

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but yeah, like I don't really care, but yeah, I

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also do care because I want to be a skeleton. Yeah,

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so in a way, you kind of do care what

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happens to your body after you die. So I don't know. Yeah,

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I definitely like want to be buried. I want an

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old looking headstone. I want it to grow moss on it.

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I want to like decay and become a skeleton in

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a box in the ground. I mean, I wouldn't mind

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like a wooden box. I don't eny like fancy box

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or anything. I don't know if they put me in

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a wooden box these days, I think legally there, yeah, yeah,

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there's cheapest one. I don't care. I just want to

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be a skeleton. Yeah.

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In terms of like like regulatory incompliance like requirements.

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There are certain things that you can and cannot do.

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With human remains or really with any remain and it

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was just depending on Yeah, you're.

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Technically not allowed to like e scutch or them places,

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but everyone scatters them anyway. Yeah. So funny that you

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mentioned a bell, because I've always said, like, I want

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a bell on my headstone, just like for funsies. I

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think it would just be like cute and like I

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want like an old school headstone.

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I don't know, I mean it loves cemetery practical purpose

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at certain points in history, which is I think maybe

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I need to consume less in terms of like the

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things that I know are sort of my uh my

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bugaboos related to death and let the let let whatever

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mystery does remain just fucking remain and just not maybe

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maybe we don't think.

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About that so much. I have to think about it. Yeah, no,

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I know. But so I want to bell on my

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headstone just also because I can come back as a

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ghost and ring it and just like scare you and

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make you think I'm buried alive down there.

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So I think I think that's great. So yeah, but

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I will literally never reach cover from that.

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I'm going to do it too specifically.

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So I saw this headstone at Spirit the other day

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and it says return to Sender and it has one

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of the bells on it, and I took a little

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video of it.

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Here'stop it. You're relaxing.

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I want it.

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That's gonna be me, return Decender. I thought that was

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fucking hilarious. This is that's the headstone I want. So

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if anyone is wondering, I wanted to say, return to Cender,

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I want a bell on it. Okay, anyway, And then

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there was also, like you mentioned, like planning after death.

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I did have a thought as soon as I woke up,

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oh about a certain drawer in my house that maybe

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my mom or brother wouldn't want to make your dildo drawer?

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Is that? I said, a certain drawer? Okay, yeah, it

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is my dildo drawer. I'm just trying to kneel down, get.

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It side this giant nailer and get it. Do you guys,

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do you get it?

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Nail? Do you get it?

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She?

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So anyway, my giant dildo drawer. I did have a

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thought as I was like, you know, kind of coming

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to coming to also when I looked in the mirror

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when I was like getting up no blood in my lips.

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It was I mean, we can insert the picture maybe

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if you guys don't want to see it skip maybe

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I don't know, but I think it's an interesting picture.

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I look for dead, so dead.

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I just feel like maybe we should do a carousel

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of all of your appalling medical photos from over the summer.

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So like we've technically taken a break, but Cassie has

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just been like, I'm just gonna fuck up every inch

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of this fucking future court. Because I did go to

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the er. It was for something unrelated. I'm having a

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reaction with alcohol and my medication. It's fine, but I

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thought it was from the fainting. So we went to

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the eer to also fucking bees and like, oh, I've

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been stung by a bee this summer. Never been stung

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by a bee before. It was actually a fucking hornet. Yeah,

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I just yeah, I did. I have a couple of

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urgent care visits for some shots for some you know

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when you sent that picture and you were like, I

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guess I'm not allergic to bees. I'm like looking at

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the picture and I'm like, dude, no offense. But if

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this is you not allergic to bees. I'm I'm literally

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sprinting like it was like.

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Don't it so? I mean they're more intense, That's what

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I've heard.

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I no like Olympic sprinter from now on, anytime I

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see a bee, and I have.

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Always been like, the thing is though I didn't see it,

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hear it. I had no idea it was there.

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I didn't feel it until I felt a little pinch

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and I was like the fuck. And then I felt

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like when you get a shot like hot injecting. Yeah,

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like the hot and I was like, what.

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Freaking out? I freaked out, freaked out, freak Oh my god,

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freaked out. Never been stung before. What were we talking about?

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I don't know.

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Now, all of a sudden, I'm just like I have

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like the demonic urge to ask you, like, have you

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ever potato peeled your fingers? Oh? Yeah, oh yeah, I'm

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very feutful.

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Oh we were talking about my dildos. Yes, the dildo

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draish the story. This is the ADHD tangent episode A

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little bit. It's okay because it all really it's fine.

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So I texted my friend immediately, Brittany, and I was like,

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you need I sent her a picture of the door,

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and I was like, just so we know, we've kind

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of talked about this, like haha, kidding, but like I

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actually thought, like for real, but like for real, though,

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this is your You're in charge of this drawer. Come

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over immediately and make sure my mom doesn't look in there.

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My mom and brother no not to look in the drawer.

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So everyone knows about my drawer if you don't want

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to see what's.

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In there, okay, So like what's my status in relation

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to the drawer?

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If Brittany is with me and she also dies, you

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take care of the door.

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If it's like some sort of horrific car accident. I mean,

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it's not going to be knocking, would but someone take it.

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If everyone does creepy people drawer, I feel like I

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want to. I want to, like ring the bell with Chris,

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bring me salt.

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Anyway, now I'm realizing that I really should be more

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organized about my various unmentionables.

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Oh are they scattered?

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Yeah, I feel like there's a little bit of scattering.

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You got to keep them all in one. I'm like,

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keep it separate, right so they don't touch in the night,

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and get it on without you. I need a loop. Oh,

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I should tell them why I fainted, because it's not

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I don't have a medical condition. As far as I know,

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nothing is wrong with me. Everything's okay. Did hurt my back,

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did hurt? Then I overworked it and hurt it again.

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It's a whole thing. I'm better now. But I had

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vasal vagel, sin scope syncope, sinc pe syncope. Oh okay.

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I was like, I'm saying it wrong. Do I see

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basal vagel? Right? Yeah, I was more. Okay, I've said

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that word more than the other one. Yeah, thank you.

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It was that which is basically like your nervous system

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gets over stimulated by something. It can happen a lot

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of ways, like people see blood as like the most

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common people see blood and they faint. And I didn't.

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I didn't know that was just like an actual thing

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that your like body was reacting to. I thought it

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was like you just don't like blood, like it wasn't connecting.

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Yeah, no, I mean it's like a it's part of

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like a whole like chemical kind of reaction in your body.

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Like I mean, just to put it in like the

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most dumb, dumb terms, it's honestly like, yeah, I'm saying that,

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like I know anything, but it is.

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It is like a thing with me where if I

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think because I had my pelvis broken, yeah, so if

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I think something in my body is wrong or broken

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and broken, because I've thought my shoulder was out before

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and I almost had passed out, I remember that I

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had to sit down. I didn't actually pass out, So yeah,

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I think it was like I think my brain just

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like like you were able to process something was wrong

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in my body and it just gives me the freakouts.

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Yeah I did.

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No, I mean that is kind of one of those

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like lizard brain things where it's like your your your

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body and your brain like kind of trying to figure out,

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like what's the best way to help you in this situation.

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I don't know how fainting helps anybody in any situation. Yeah,

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I feel like, especially with like the way that a

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lot of people when that happens, and like what the

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trigger is, you kind of go like, how would that.

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Be the best option? Because like it's very possible if

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I didn't hold on to the fucking sink and get blow,

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I would have fallen and hit my head literally passing

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out might have been fatal.

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Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, I it could have been a

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very different situation. Evolutionarily, there are certain things where it's

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like it might have made sense at like a different

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point in human history, and how much sense it makes

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now is up for debate.

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It's also very I mean it is possible I was

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in pain, Like it was very painful and I just

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didn't know it.

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I didn't feel it. Yeah, because it was that so

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you thought you were shot. You may have gone into

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shock and like.

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Yeah, it's so crazy.

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No, I mean, like the things that your body and

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your brain can do that like you're like.

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I'm not.

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I didn't ask for this. I didn't tell it to

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do any of these things.

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It's wild, but I like, I kind of get it

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if you are in pain, if your body is in

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pain and it just wants you to like pass out

474
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to you like shut down, so you don't.

475
00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:26.519
Yeah, because in a way, and that's what I was

476
00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:29.119
gonna say, is like you know, with that response, it

477
00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:31.680
seems like in a lot of situations, it's like how

478
00:26:31.759 --> 00:26:35.440
can that be helpful? But if it's like a pain

479
00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:37.640
trigger thing, it could be just that your body is

480
00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:40.519
trying to help you by like okay, we go into

481
00:26:40.519 --> 00:26:44.119
shut down. Mode, and it's like going to force you

482
00:26:44.200 --> 00:26:47.960
to like kind of reboot or just like rest for

483
00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:50.960
just long enough, but like maybe you can, you know,

484
00:26:51.079 --> 00:26:52.039
recover yourself.

485
00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:56.240
Maybe it was like, oh my god, we are in

486
00:26:56.240 --> 00:26:56.759
a simulation.

487
00:26:56.880 --> 00:27:00.960
Simulation, it's a simulation, you guys, I got read, I

488
00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:01.880
got rebooted.

489
00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:07.240
Never remind me again, witch pell did you take either?

490
00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:12.079
It was also interesting just another note that I wasn't

491
00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:14.400
out for that long because the podcast I was listening

492
00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:16.359
to was like still kind of on the same topic

493
00:27:17.119 --> 00:27:20.039
like kind of Judge, the kind of judge. Yeah, I'm

494
00:27:20.079 --> 00:27:23.759
regretting now. I should have like gone back in the

495
00:27:23.839 --> 00:27:26.480
moment and like rewound it to see the last thing

496
00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:29.279
I had, like remember hearing to see exactly how long

497
00:27:29.319 --> 00:27:32.559
I was out, but I didn't. I wasn't thinking that.

498
00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:33.720
No.

499
00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:38.039
I would imagine you're not thinking like super clearly, like

500
00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:42.680
like yeah, yeah, but anyway, so that that's interesting.

501
00:27:42.680 --> 00:27:45.720
I wasn't out for very long. I would say less.

502
00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:48.400
Than a minute. I I think it was really that quick.

503
00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:50.640
I think so, yeah, okay, because.

504
00:27:50.400 --> 00:27:53.839
They really were still talking about and it's one of

505
00:27:53.839 --> 00:27:57.680
those podcasts that changes subjects a lot. Okay, So yeah,

506
00:27:58.759 --> 00:28:01.480
unless they did a tangent and then rounded about like

507
00:28:01.519 --> 00:28:04.200
we just did and came back. I don't know that

508
00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:07.480
could happen again. I don't remember what episode it was now.

509
00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:10.920
I don't think like maybe if I hear it again

510
00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:13.759
and then it triggers like the memory, like, oh I've

511
00:28:13.759 --> 00:28:16.839
heard this before. Yeah, yeah, I think I would remember,

512
00:28:16.839 --> 00:28:20.000
but I couldn't even tell you, like where it was

513
00:28:20.079 --> 00:28:22.039
just a random in the middle of.

514
00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:25.440
A bad cast, and I feel like you're processing so

515
00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:29.359
much other stimuli at that point that like that is

516
00:28:29.480 --> 00:28:34.799
just like such a microcosm of the experience. Yeah, gosh, Wow,

517
00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:37.279
we've been talking for a really long time about me.

518
00:28:37.960 --> 00:28:39.400
I guess I wasn't lying.

519
00:28:39.839 --> 00:28:45.000
Uh, I know, I'm like sorry, I'm probably like totally.

520
00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:48.680
Because like I don't have a ton of info. I

521
00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:50.519
just wanted to come to you guys with kind of

522
00:28:50.559 --> 00:28:54.200
like what other people experienced during near death experiences, because

523
00:28:54.200 --> 00:28:58.599
there's different stages of it. I think I was just

524
00:28:58.640 --> 00:29:02.559
like in the first stage, OK, where you're like thinking

525
00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:05.960
you're about your experience death. Yeah.

526
00:29:06.039 --> 00:29:09.599
Yeah, whether that's like factually accurate or not, I feel

527
00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:13.559
like your brain processing that is it.

528
00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:16.640
Yeah, it was real at the time. Yeah, for and

529
00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:18.079
I can see why you like.

530
00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:21.920
It feels like I can see how you kind of

531
00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:22.880
got there. Yeah.

532
00:29:23.119 --> 00:29:25.920
Yeah, Well, do you want to talk about some near

533
00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:27.359
death experiences?

534
00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:27.680
No?

535
00:29:27.799 --> 00:29:30.759
I think we should end it here, too bad. That's

536
00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:33.000
what this episode is about. Okay, great, we're done talk

537
00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:34.640
about me. We're going to talk about some other people.

538
00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:41.680
There were three people from the Evergreen State College in Olympia, Washington,

539
00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:46.000
in December nineteen eighty one. Oh, okay, who wrote a

540
00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:49.960
research paper on near death experiences in the Pacific Northwest

541
00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:51.079
American population.

542
00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:55.279
Oh, I really want to read this actually, yeah, yeah,

543
00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:56.000
I can send it to you.

544
00:29:56.119 --> 00:29:58.880
It's like twenty pages. It's really not that long, just

545
00:29:58.920 --> 00:30:02.519
like some light bedtime. Yeah, and honestly it is. I

546
00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:07.440
read it last night before bed it.

547
00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:11.880
Uh, the Evergreen Study, I don't know if that's part

548
00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:14.839
of the title. That's what it says. And it's James H.

549
00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:19.039
Lindley Sethan, It's se.

550
00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:22.440
T h y N, which is like a cool name. Sethan, Yeah,

551
00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:26.400
Seth and Bryan and Bob Connelly. So they all did

552
00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:30.400
this a research paper, I'm assuming. Yeah. They based it

553
00:30:30.440 --> 00:30:34.839
off of two other popular near death experience research papers

554
00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:37.039
that I will put Okay in my I did not

555
00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:41.559
write them down, but I'll put them in the sources, okay,

556
00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:44.519
but they they kind of worked off that and then

557
00:30:44.599 --> 00:30:48.440
did their own research. And since this is specifically Pacific Northwest,

558
00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:51.119
I'm going to just talk about this research paper and

559
00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:55.000
not go into like the older, more popular, well known research.

560
00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:59.599
Nineteen eighty one is like already a few years ago,

561
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:03.839
and anything older than that is like, okay, like you know,

562
00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:05.960
not exactly E merging sign.

563
00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:08.640
Yeah, And I don't know if I didn't really look

564
00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:11.119
into it, but the I don't know if there's more

565
00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:15.799
recent The one that they're referring to came out the

566
00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:18.200
year before. It's like nineteen eighty and then one of

567
00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:21.000
them was like the sixties or seventies or something. It

568
00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:23.039
was like earlier, So I don't know if there's anything

569
00:31:23.079 --> 00:31:25.160
after that. I didn't really look into that.

570
00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:29.759
There's got to be more recent study than that, certainly.

571
00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:31.240
But I'm sure. But we're going to talk about this

572
00:31:31.279 --> 00:31:35.960
one because it's specific Northwest and we're PNW A nasty podcast,

573
00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:38.240
which I think I forgot to say, or I did.

574
00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:41.319
That's okay, I was gonna let it lay. We forgive

575
00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:43.039
me because this episode is about me and I just

576
00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:46.880
was like so excited to start talking again. Yeah, because

577
00:31:46.880 --> 00:31:48.559
I haven't talked in a while. So I feel like

578
00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:53.519
I'm like really chatterboxy today. Hello, why do I need

579
00:31:53.559 --> 00:31:56.480
a podcast? Yeah, it's hard to say. I like to talk.

580
00:31:57.000 --> 00:31:58.799
So in their paper, they said that they find the

581
00:31:58.839 --> 00:32:02.640
most intriguing part of near death experiences is that it

582
00:32:02.839 --> 00:32:06.519
kind of doesn't vary which from person to person. It's

583
00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:10.680
not the differences, but it's the similarities that okay really consist.

584
00:32:12.680 --> 00:32:15.599
Not all people experience the same exact thing, but like

585
00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:19.200
the overall the commonalities are very very similar.

586
00:32:19.279 --> 00:32:23.319
Yeah, Okay, Yeah, I feel like there's I mean, and

587
00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:26.119
I have researched this in depth, but I feel like

588
00:32:26.519 --> 00:32:31.200
everything that I've read, understood and consumed kind of indicates

589
00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:34.839
that there are just like certain commonalities that most people report.

590
00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:37.160
I feel like the one everyone knows if you think

591
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:40.799
about like dying or like go to the life. Yeah,

592
00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:43.240
and that is part of this. It's one of the stages,

593
00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:44.839
but it's not the first stage.

594
00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:45.440
Oh.

595
00:32:46.279 --> 00:32:52.200
The first stage is overwhelming peace, in which all like

596
00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:54.119
pain ceases.

597
00:32:54.279 --> 00:32:58.240
Okay, so that's like a definite parallel for you, right, Definitely,

598
00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:01.200
it says oh, it's just got to I know me too,

599
00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:07.200
the feeling of like calmness, acceptance, which is definitely like

600
00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:08.480
I had that.

601
00:33:09.039 --> 00:33:10.880
Yeah, for sure, I was like okay, like I'm not

602
00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:14.279
quite done, but I'm accepting. Yeah, this is where I am.

603
00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:18.200
And I think they'll they'll kind of maybe go into

604
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:21.440
this in a minute. But that's kind of I think

605
00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:25.440
your brain like maybe protecting you a little bit, like, okay,

606
00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:27.880
so you're not scared in my final moments.

607
00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:30.960
Yeah, and that makes sense. I feel like the closest

608
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:35.000
thing that I can say, like is a parallel for

609
00:33:35.079 --> 00:33:38.240
me is like when I've had to take like benadru

610
00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:43.640
it just sort of is like shut down, like and

611
00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:44.400
it's just sort of.

612
00:33:44.359 --> 00:33:49.960
Like this is happening, Yeah, very calm, very peaceful.

613
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:53.079
I don't think that's exactly like what they're just I

614
00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:56.279
mean I kind of feels passing out a little bit. Yeah, yeah,

615
00:33:56.359 --> 00:33:57.880
I mean it is basically passing out.

616
00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:00.759
You're just yeah, you know what's happen on purpose.

617
00:34:01.319 --> 00:34:05.599
Yeah, I just feel like the like I've always heard

618
00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:10.920
it being described as a bit more euphoric than what I.

619
00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:13.880
Have experienced then like in that instance, and I think

620
00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:18.039
some people do go into like a very extreme euphoria

621
00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:20.280
and well we're going to get into that actually right now,

622
00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:22.800
which I did not have that like extreme. It was

623
00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:24.440
just calm and peaceful and like I was.

624
00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:28.679
Yeah, I think like people experience I probably on a spectrum.

625
00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:32.480
I don't know. There was a woman who was a

626
00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:37.559
drowning victim and she described her experience was that she

627
00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:39.920
was in agony and then like all of a sudden,

628
00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:43.800
it just became warm and floaty feeling. So she didn't

629
00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:47.400
start off like being like scared and in pain and

630
00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:49.920
then yeah, it all of a sudden, wasn't.

631
00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:53.760
I have always heard that drowning is supposed to be

632
00:34:53.840 --> 00:34:57.679
one of the most peaceful ways to die. Yeah, I

633
00:34:57.719 --> 00:35:00.360
know some people have a really hard time imagine that,

634
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:02.760
but like as opposed to like kind of the other

635
00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:07.920
end of the elemental spectrum, like death by fire to

636
00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:09.039
be like kind of.

637
00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:13.159
The most horrific. But I'm almost thinking, well, I don't okay,

638
00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:15.039
I don't have any facts to support this at all,

639
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:18.400
but it's just like where my brain is going, drowning

640
00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:21.599
you have kind of a chance of survival because you

641
00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:23.639
like pull you out of the water, do CPR. So

642
00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:25.800
I feel like maybe there might be more people who

643
00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:30.239
have drowned and experienced near death. Yeah, I mean obviously,

644
00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:33.840
I don't know. It just seems logical to me. Yeah,

645
00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:38.320
so maybe like it's peaceful in every type of like dying.

646
00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:41.320
But that's just the more people come back from drowning,

647
00:35:41.400 --> 00:35:42.639
So I could see that.

648
00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:45.119
I just think that, like, but I get it at

649
00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:50.679
least from like the scientific like a biological standpoint. They

650
00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:55.039
say that like the point at which like the certain

651
00:35:55.159 --> 00:36:01.119
brain chemicals are released when you are experiencing drown and

652
00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:03.559
then like like oppose, is.

653
00:36:03.480 --> 00:36:06.360
It drowning like specifically or just death in general.

654
00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:10.400
I don't know that it's actually death in general. I

655
00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:14.599
think there's like certain like chemical reactions that are that

656
00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:19.239
are occurring because of like the the way that.

657
00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:21.559
You're experiencing death. Interesting.

658
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:24.400
The other thing is, and this also has to do

659
00:36:24.440 --> 00:36:28.719
with how like the manner of death, right, But the

660
00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:33.119
other thing that kind of goes along with that is

661
00:36:33.159 --> 00:36:39.880
that like scientifically biologically they know that there are certain

662
00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:45.800
sensations just because of how like nerves and your brain

663
00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:49.400
and your other aspects of your body how they work

664
00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:56.159
that like you will feel whether it's you know, smoke

665
00:36:56.199 --> 00:36:58.719
inhalation or actual physical burning.

666
00:36:59.199 --> 00:37:01.360
They know, there's certain things.

667
00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:07.760
That you will feel until you like physically succumb and

668
00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:09.320
actually are dead.

669
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:13.880
Yeah, but we did talk about like earlier, maybe I'm

670
00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:17.840
hoping like your brain would shut off the pain, yesh

671
00:37:18.079 --> 00:37:18.599
and just.

672
00:37:18.760 --> 00:37:22.280
And I think like the shock response could also, like

673
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:25.280
I think that can play into almost any type.

674
00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:29.920
Of of death. But I that's the thing.

675
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:33.599
That's what I hate about this is that like like

676
00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:34.639
who can.

677
00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:39.119
Say, I know, you know, but drowning does like your

678
00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:42.840
floating waters, yeah, very peaceful, it's quiet, it's kind of

679
00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:43.519
a return.

680
00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:47.599
Yeah, right, because it's like that's why humans like water,

681
00:37:48.239 --> 00:37:51.400
because it reminds us of like the amniotic fluid.

682
00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:54.519
And and that is not to say that I want

683
00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:57.280
to drown or I wish drowning on anybody like that

684
00:37:57.400 --> 00:38:01.360
someone you know has drowned. That's I'm very sorry, super

685
00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:05.239
horrific I've had I've had that shit, not personally, but

686
00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:11.079
like in past family like ancestry, there's drowning and like,

687
00:38:11.159 --> 00:38:15.880
so I have a very It's okay, I have a very. Uh,

688
00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:19.079
I have a fear of water. So like I get it,

689
00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:22.960
like I feel like my people crave water. I love water.

690
00:38:23.199 --> 00:38:26.840
It's just I do have that a drowning fear, and

691
00:38:26.920 --> 00:38:29.199
I really think it's like from like my DNA, like

692
00:38:29.239 --> 00:38:33.480
my ancestors, my ancestor died young, as like a drowning.

693
00:38:33.719 --> 00:38:33.920
Yeah.

694
00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:36.519
No, they say that that is something that can be

695
00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:40.360
imparted in your DNA. They're finding more and more that

696
00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:45.159
there are certain things that like it. They don't understand

697
00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:49.960
how exactly, but that, you know, that's increasingly kind of

698
00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:54.440
the emerging belief. I believe it even in the scientific community.

699
00:38:54.599 --> 00:38:57.800
So I don't know anyway, we're just we're not scientists.

700
00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:01.320
We're just going over this research paper. It's so interesting,

701
00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:04.320
it is, we have more to talk about. So there

702
00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:10.039
was also a person who uh was hemorrhaging as a child,

703
00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:16.400
and they said that they they felt so good though that

704
00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:19.880
and like at peace and happy that they almost like

705
00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:23.320
they felt really guilty that they were feeling these things, knowing,

706
00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:27.360
oh wow, that they were like dying basically, but they

707
00:39:27.400 --> 00:39:31.000
felt so good. So that's that's kind of like how

708
00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:31.559
I felt.

709
00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:35.440
Definitely like that's like euphouria, like you were saying, like

710
00:39:35.480 --> 00:39:38.280
I didn't feel so good, but I felt guilty that

711
00:39:38.360 --> 00:39:41.599
I wasn't, like why am I not more upset. Yeah,

712
00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:45.840
like I was okay with that, Yeah happening, and like

713
00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:47.760
that's where the guilty part came in.

714
00:39:48.199 --> 00:39:51.239
Yeah, and that makes sense. I get that. I don't know.

715
00:39:51.320 --> 00:39:54.519
I like the sense of like painlessness, like take your body,

716
00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:56.239
taking care of you at the end, and like I

717
00:39:56.320 --> 00:39:59.119
make sure that you're not like scared and in pain.

718
00:39:59.519 --> 00:39:59.800
Yeah.

719
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:02.320
It's a really good thought. Yeah, and it makes you

720
00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:05.159
like it makes me not really scared. And that's very

721
00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:07.800
common too, Like it makes people. Once people experience this

722
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:11.880
and come back, they're not as scared of dying because

723
00:40:11.920 --> 00:40:14.599
they know, like it's going to be okay, it's peaceful

724
00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:18.679
and yeah, not scary. I still don't want to, don't

725
00:40:18.679 --> 00:40:19.239
get me wrong.

726
00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:24.480
Yeah, yeah, I think the manner of death matters to

727
00:40:24.760 --> 00:40:26.320
a lot of people, definitely.

728
00:40:26.400 --> 00:40:29.480
Yeah. Yeah. So in this research paper they say the

729
00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:33.400
first stage of death is kind of lea kind of lee.

730
00:40:35.079 --> 00:40:38.639
It's kind of the most easily explainable. Uh, and we

731
00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:43.480
kind of already talked about it, like biologically, the peacefulness

732
00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:47.760
is kind of just what happens when you die, Like

733
00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:53.679
your brain is releasing chemicals DMT, isn't it in doorphins? Okay,

734
00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:56.599
there we go. So your brain is like releasing endorphins,

735
00:40:56.639 --> 00:41:00.320
which are like morphine basically, well that's what this research.

736
00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:02.920
They're morphine like substances.

737
00:41:03.639 --> 00:41:07.719
Okay, I'm just gonna read this little part here dimethyl

738
00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:11.880
trip to mean. Some theories suggest that the psychedelic compound

739
00:41:11.960 --> 00:41:15.320
d MT is released in large amounts by the pineal

740
00:41:15.400 --> 00:41:20.239
gland during death. However, this is largely unproven speculation and

741
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:25.519
other neurochemicals are considered more plausible explanations for the effects

742
00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:25.920
of ND.

743
00:41:26.519 --> 00:41:28.760
I have Okay, I have heard this, and it's not

744
00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:31.960
recent in my brain because it's not in this research paper,

745
00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:35.239
I think because it's more recent. Yes, I definitely have

746
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:38.880
heard that, Yeah, which I think is possible. Yea too,

747
00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:44.679
So we just trip. So they think that that happens

748
00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:48.079
not only so you're not in pain or fearful when

749
00:41:48.119 --> 00:41:50.760
you're dying, but they think it is kind of more

750
00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:55.119
of a defensive mechanism to keep you like alive, and

751
00:41:55.239 --> 00:42:03.880
it not incapacity, incocapacitating, in facitated, in life threatening situations,

752
00:42:03.880 --> 00:42:08.280
So they it's kind of keeping you mobile.

753
00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:13.440
Like sustaining, yes or whatever, like body systems or brain function,

754
00:42:14.199 --> 00:42:17.519
so you can have time to save yourself or maybe

755
00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:20.760
somebody else too, so yeah, they think that's kind of

756
00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:21.599
why that happens.

757
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:25.800
This has also been something that they've noticed in terminally

758
00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:28.719
ill patients. So there's kind of like a period of

759
00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:34.440
remission before dying. And I can't remember. I just watched

760
00:42:34.440 --> 00:42:37.239
this movie or the show called Dying for Sex. Have

761
00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:40.119
you seen that one yet? I haven't. No, it's really

762
00:42:40.159 --> 00:42:44.480
really good. It's this person who's got cancer and she's

763
00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:48.599
terminally ill. She knows she's going to be dying, and

764
00:42:48.679 --> 00:42:50.719
so she wants to like have I don't think she's

765
00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:52.920
had an orgasm or something, so like that's her goal

766
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:55.800
before she died. Okay, haven't I mean get it. It's

767
00:42:55.840 --> 00:42:58.960
really good and like it's like not just about sex.

768
00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:01.599
It's like about life and family and friendship.

769
00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:05.519
I feel like that's just about processing so many aspects

770
00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:06.719
of the human experience.

771
00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:09.679
Yeah, yeah, it's a really beautiful movie. But they do

772
00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:12.320
kind of show that part of it of like her

773
00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:15.519
little bit of remission while she's in hospice. And yeah,

774
00:43:15.880 --> 00:43:19.039
they call it something and I can't remember what. It's

775
00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:22.239
some cute, like beautiful name. But I love that. Yeah,

776
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:24.079
I really just watch the show. We don't need to

777
00:43:24.119 --> 00:43:26.599
look everything up for you. You figure it out. So

778
00:43:26.719 --> 00:43:29.119
this is a little bit different from the first stage

779
00:43:29.119 --> 00:43:31.880
of death. It's a little bit less, like the feelings

780
00:43:31.880 --> 00:43:34.920
of euphoria are a little bit less. So it's not

781
00:43:35.079 --> 00:43:37.800
quite the same. And I'm I'm not sure on the

782
00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:41.760
research as of this research paper wasn't about that, so

783
00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:44.480
they didn't really say, like why they think that happens

784
00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:47.559
with terminally ill patients towards the end of life.

785
00:43:47.840 --> 00:43:52.159
So they didn't just like research process and analyze every

786
00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:53.679
aspect of death forever.

787
00:43:53.960 --> 00:43:56.320
No, they didn't. And I didn't go down that. I

788
00:43:56.360 --> 00:43:58.800
didn't pull it that little thread because you know it,

789
00:43:58.840 --> 00:44:01.079
we're getting a little lengthy or two, so we don't

790
00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:03.400
need to just pull every thread. But I just thought

791
00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:06.719
that was interesting to bring up. But it still happens

792
00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:10.360
in some form, whether you're dying, like in the moment,

793
00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:11.840
or if you're.

794
00:44:11.679 --> 00:44:16.000
Like getting ready to yeah, because I think the same

795
00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:20.239
kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, because there can be like

796
00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:23.400
a protracted experience of dying.

797
00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:27.559
Yeah, okay, so you're ready to move on the second stage.

798
00:44:27.639 --> 00:44:31.840
I don't know, maybe I'm dying, Okay. This is kind

799
00:44:31.840 --> 00:44:34.400
of a sense of separation from your body. So this

800
00:44:34.519 --> 00:44:38.679
is an out of body experience. Okay, okay, okay, yeah, yeah,

801
00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:43.679
so where you're then this does happen to people when

802
00:44:43.679 --> 00:44:47.239
you're not dying, when you're sleeping, right, it happens to

803
00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:49.480
people like in surgery sometimes.

804
00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:51.440
Yeah, I was going to say out of body is

805
00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:55.039
something like that's an experience people have aside from death.

806
00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:59.639
But it's interesting that it's like a commonality with near

807
00:44:59.679 --> 00:45:00.679
death experiences.

808
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:03.039
Yeah, it is kind of interesting because it just makes

809
00:45:03.039 --> 00:45:06.199
you think, like your consciousness is it can leave your

810
00:45:06.199 --> 00:45:11.199
body while you're still alive too, that I can come back.

811
00:45:11.639 --> 00:45:15.440
I just want, like all of the the bits to

812
00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:17.840
just just stay.

813
00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:23.559
In it's assigned seats and you you do until your

814
00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:24.159
time is up.

815
00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:28.079
Because please don't stay in my body when I'm actually dead.

816
00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:31.840
Please consciousness leave my body that's.

817
00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:34.480
Alive.

818
00:45:34.599 --> 00:45:36.920
Oh wait, same fears are blocked.

819
00:45:38.599 --> 00:45:42.800
Take a drink plus the realm boys gun.

820
00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:47.199
Some people say when they experience this, they kind of

821
00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:50.440
like they're able to move away from their body. They

822
00:45:50.440 --> 00:45:53.400
can like leave the room, they can see things that

823
00:45:53.440 --> 00:45:57.400
are going on in other rooms. They things that are

824
00:45:57.440 --> 00:46:00.840
going on, So they'll oftentimes come back with like, hey,

825
00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:04.360
this person was wearing like this specific shirt out in

826
00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:06.960
the waiting room and they hadn't come even in the

827
00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:10.119
room yet, yeah, or something that they're talking about out there.

828
00:46:10.159 --> 00:46:12.400
So the comeback with kind of like proof was like, wait,

829
00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:13.760
how the fuck did you get that?

830
00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:17.400
Like these things that it's like, there's just not any

831
00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:20.719
way that you could have known this information.

832
00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:27.599
Yeah, there's one instance where this person reported that they

833
00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:31.239
were floating above their body in the hospital bed and

834
00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:33.400
they looked at their body and it was like a

835
00:46:33.440 --> 00:46:36.760
greenish gray color. I don't like that, and so they

836
00:46:36.920 --> 00:46:39.880
just like were like, oh, I look dead, and then

837
00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:43.000
the nurse was yelling a coated message over the intercom.

838
00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:45.719
Then it like dawned on this person. They were actually

839
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:47.760
they're like, oh shit, I am coding.

840
00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:48.639
They were dying.

841
00:46:48.800 --> 00:46:53.079
So they experienced like watching their own body. That would

842
00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:55.840
be that would be very intent. Like this game, the

843
00:46:55.880 --> 00:47:00.000
deeper stages do get more intense. Yeah, So the third stage,

844
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:04.960
this is where people say they move into like avoid

845
00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:09.159
or maybe traveling down along tunnel. So this is kind

846
00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:12.079
of like light at the end of the tunnel, but

847
00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:14.920
we're not at the light part yet. We're in the dark, right,

848
00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:19.360
which doesn't sound great. No, they think this is kind

849
00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:22.400
of like the intermediate stage, like a what's that called

850
00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:25.400
like kind of like a purgatory stage. Yeah, like an

851
00:47:25.400 --> 00:47:30.119
in between you're in between leaving like stage two or

852
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:31.280
you're like leaving your body.

853
00:47:31.480 --> 00:47:36.119
This is where you're traveling into another place basically, right,

854
00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:40.039
And this is the thing that makes little the Catholics

855
00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:41.519
loser shit is it?

856
00:47:42.039 --> 00:47:46.239
Yeah? Purgatory is like Oh.

857
00:47:44.960 --> 00:47:47.400
That's like that's why, like because you could like get

858
00:47:47.400 --> 00:47:50.960
stuck there, right, That's that's purgatory. It's like you're between

859
00:47:51.039 --> 00:47:54.360
heaven and how kind of you're like between this world

860
00:47:54.400 --> 00:47:57.280
and the next, and you're not in You're like in

861
00:47:57.320 --> 00:47:58.159
the in between.

862
00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:01.320
This is like you either get sucked up or sucked down,

863
00:48:01.480 --> 00:48:03.760
sucked off, or sucked sucked under.

864
00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:09.320
No, but like that's why, like you know, uh, people's

865
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:14.519
like grandparents are like, you know, like you gotta get

866
00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:19.039
you got to get a baby baptized, because unbaptized, Oh.

867
00:48:18.440 --> 00:48:20.360
You just get stuck in the tunnel forever.

868
00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:23.559
Yeah, which which is why you know that religion is

869
00:48:24.159 --> 00:48:26.559
like in some ways really kind of shitty because like

870
00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:31.679
how do you take this completely innocent, faultless creature of

871
00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:36.639
you know, a baby that is unbaptized or I think

872
00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:41.360
also unborn babies. If you're looking for something that's gonna

873
00:48:41.360 --> 00:48:44.320
make you real sad just for no good goddamn reason,

874
00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:45.440
that just makes.

875
00:48:45.239 --> 00:48:46.400
Me real angry.

876
00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:48.960
Yeah, well, I think and that refers to like even

877
00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:53.840
like still born, right, that's not like that seems like

878
00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:55.920
why are we going to make people feel guilty for

879
00:48:56.000 --> 00:49:01.760
things even were so frequently you cannot control. That's okay,

880
00:49:01.880 --> 00:49:04.960
that's neat nice. I love that we added that in

881
00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:05.719
this episode.

882
00:49:05.880 --> 00:49:08.320
Yeah, and you can cut that fact teck it.

883
00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:13.679
I don't know, that's my understanding, and I believe that though. Yeah,

884
00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:16.519
I'm pretty sure about it. If I'm being honest.

885
00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:18.280
I think we should leave it in. But that is

886
00:49:18.320 --> 00:49:20.920
interesting though, that you bring up other religions, because that

887
00:49:21.079 --> 00:49:23.840
is something that they brought up as throughout all the

888
00:49:23.880 --> 00:49:29.360
different religions, there's that's like things sort of similar parallel. Yeah, yeah,

889
00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:33.199
but in certain stages, like the ending stages, depending on

890
00:49:33.239 --> 00:49:36.800
your religion, like things yeah, are different, things get different,

891
00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:40.639
Things do get different, which is interesting that your beliefs

892
00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:46.079
and thoughts in your mortal brain also are translating over

893
00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:48.039
when you past.

894
00:49:48.119 --> 00:49:54.159
Like it's it's impacting, it's you know, influencing your experience

895
00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:55.480
in a way potentially.

896
00:49:55.880 --> 00:50:00.360
Yeah, what is and by interesting I mean horror? Fy oh,

897
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:04.159
it's not scary to die. This is the lesson in

898
00:50:04.199 --> 00:50:12.000
this Episodemagods jobin limbo. Limbo. That's another one up.

899
00:50:12.159 --> 00:50:12.400
Yeah.

900
00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:17.519
Yeah, So Catholics no longer officially teach that unbaptized babies

901
00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:19.000
go to a place called limbo.

902
00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:21.199
No longer, but they did at one point.

903
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:24.880
So I think that's I don't know how purgatory and

904
00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:25.920
limbo differ.

905
00:50:26.719 --> 00:50:30.800
Oh okay, so I love this. This is really fun. Okay.

906
00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:36.079
So Limbo is a theoretical state no longer considered official

907
00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:40.360
Catholic doctrine, where unbaptized infants or righteous people who died

908
00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:44.920
before Christ were thought to reside experiencing natural joy, but

909
00:50:45.039 --> 00:50:49.599
not the divine vision of heaven. Oh so they're like,

910
00:50:50.039 --> 00:50:55.159
it's like, okay, it's like you gotta b minus instead

911
00:50:55.199 --> 00:51:01.239
of an A purgatory, in contrast, is a confirmed Catholic

912
00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:06.079
doctrine in a state of temporary purification after death for

913
00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:11.320
those destined for heaven, cleansing them of remaining imperfections so

914
00:51:11.360 --> 00:51:12.840
they can enter God's presence.

915
00:51:13.280 --> 00:51:15.119
Ah.

916
00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:20.039
So, people who were baptized, die go into purgatory, get

917
00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:21.519
cleans this fucking then.

918
00:51:21.400 --> 00:51:24.519
Go to heaven if they need it. So it's kind

919
00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:27.119
of you're gonna need it because you're human and all

920
00:51:27.159 --> 00:51:28.480
of us. Wow.

921
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:31.320
Also that's the whole thing, right is it's like, be

922
00:51:31.639 --> 00:51:35.360
really really good, okay, but if you're not, you'll just

923
00:51:35.360 --> 00:51:37.960
get cleansed and purgatory and it's fine, but you better

924
00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:41.239
be fucking baptized though, you know, assuming that you you know,

925
00:51:41.360 --> 00:51:44.039
you ate the right crackers at the right you know

926
00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:49.239
you had the baby splashed, you know all that, so

927
00:51:49.280 --> 00:51:51.440
you can go to the light. The fourth stage is

928
00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:51.800
the light.

929
00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:53.639
We're at the light, you guys. We're at the light.

930
00:51:53.679 --> 00:51:58.280
We're walking into it. Okay. This is almost always described

931
00:51:58.400 --> 00:52:03.519
as white or gold olden, or like an indescribable brilliance,

932
00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:05.519
like just something so bright that you don't even know

933
00:52:05.559 --> 00:52:08.000
what color it is, which to me would be white.

934
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:12.239
But yeah, yeah, or like almost that like iridescent like

935
00:52:12.280 --> 00:52:15.639
effect of like a rainbow, you know, like when like

936
00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:17.239
a crystal catches the light.

937
00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:22.400
That's what my heaven looks like. Yeah, for crystals, crystal light. Yeah,

938
00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:27.400
I love that. Yeah, I'm glad I didn't see my heaven.

939
00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:30.559
Though yet we didn't get to stage four, and I'm like,

940
00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:32.079
Copeter is about to get to stage.

941
00:52:31.840 --> 00:52:33.360
Four though, oh oh no.

942
00:52:33.880 --> 00:52:36.280
One person described it as like a grid of light,

943
00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:37.280
like a spider one.

944
00:52:38.199 --> 00:52:41.119
Oh and I thought that was really cool. That's interesting,

945
00:52:41.199 --> 00:52:45.159
So now I want spider webs of like rainbow crystal light,

946
00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:50.639
refract refracting, refracting, refracting. Yeah, so this one, this is

947
00:52:50.719 --> 00:52:53.639
kind of where they think you get transported. So if

948
00:52:53.639 --> 00:52:56.239
you go through the light, then you're in a different

949
00:52:56.280 --> 00:52:59.159
stage in another world. So they technically have a fifth

950
00:52:59.199 --> 00:53:02.320
stage that they called inner setting. Like getting to the

951
00:53:02.440 --> 00:53:04.599
light is one thing, but then like going through the

952
00:53:04.679 --> 00:53:08.400
light and entering another world or another dimension or whatever,

953
00:53:08.480 --> 00:53:12.440
that's what people say it. It's like, oh so stage

954
00:53:12.440 --> 00:53:16.480
five is going to that other world. Oh okay, yeah,

955
00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:19.119
oh sorry, okay, back to the light. Yeah, this is

956
00:53:19.159 --> 00:53:20.920
kind of where it depends on like your religion.

957
00:53:20.960 --> 00:53:24.199
Some people think the light is like God or Jesus

958
00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:26.920
or oh yeah, like like a religion figure.

959
00:53:27.199 --> 00:53:30.599
Yeah, like a deity. But I think some people actually see,

960
00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:33.519
like when they go into stage five, I think they

961
00:53:33.719 --> 00:53:39.079
see like built the actual figures of these people. So

962
00:53:39.800 --> 00:53:43.239
it kind of that's like where your religion. I'm curious,

963
00:53:43.280 --> 00:53:45.239
like what I would see. I know some people see

964
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:48.960
like Elvis. Isn't that weird? Oh I kind of love that.

965
00:53:49.079 --> 00:53:51.880
I've heard that in a lot of kind I kind

966
00:53:51.880 --> 00:53:52.400
of love that.

967
00:53:52.679 --> 00:53:58.519
I know. Okay, I would see Taylor Swift obviously, like

968
00:53:59.199 --> 00:54:03.320
all a, you know, Hurricane Candle. Yeah, even if she's

969
00:54:03.360 --> 00:54:07.079
not dead yet. Oh yeah, no, for sure, my Jesus

970
00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:10.119
is Tailor's with. Yeah.

971
00:54:10.519 --> 00:54:13.239
Also in this place, most people describe it like a

972
00:54:13.360 --> 00:54:17.079
natural setting like a field, or would see a meadow,

973
00:54:17.199 --> 00:54:21.800
a valley, a garden like something like outdoorsy. It's not yeah,

974
00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:25.760
like a natural habitat. Some people say they spend time, Well,

975
00:54:25.800 --> 00:54:28.639
I guess the people that come back from this, because

976
00:54:28.760 --> 00:54:30.920
if you're not coming back, you're not reporting it. Yeah,

977
00:54:31.119 --> 00:54:33.679
but they say they spend time there, like reflecting on

978
00:54:33.719 --> 00:54:35.840
their life and kind of deciding if they want to

979
00:54:35.880 --> 00:54:40.320
come back. Oh interesting, Okay, yeah, yeah, I don't know.

980
00:54:41.119 --> 00:54:43.159
I'm not saying like you always have a choice and

981
00:54:43.199 --> 00:54:45.440
like the people who die choose not to come back.

982
00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:48.280
Like I'm not saying that this is just what people

983
00:54:48.280 --> 00:54:52.079
are reporting. Yeah, when they have come back, I mean, no,

984
00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:55.360
nobody knows what happens over there, but I'm sure it's

985
00:54:55.400 --> 00:54:59.000
not the case for every single person like choose to lead.

986
00:54:58.880 --> 00:55:03.400
Right, well, and I think probably near death versus like

987
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:09.320
actual you know death, like it's you know sometimes I

988
00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:12.320
think like that. Yeah, yeah, there's I don't I don't

989
00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:15.000
know that there could always be a choice because it's

990
00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:17.639
like well sorry, And I think that could just be

991
00:55:17.800 --> 00:55:20.840
like their perception of it too. Maybe yeah, because they

992
00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:25.320
were there thinking on things, maybe they perceived that they

993
00:55:25.400 --> 00:55:27.440
chose to come back other than like they were going

994
00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:28.440
to come back anyway.

995
00:55:28.880 --> 00:55:30.679
Yeah, you know, so it could just be.

996
00:55:31.119 --> 00:55:34.880
First maybe that's how your brain allows you to process that. Yeah,

997
00:55:34.960 --> 00:55:38.000
that could be too. I definitely don't have the answer there.

998
00:55:38.440 --> 00:55:38.760
Uh.

999
00:55:38.800 --> 00:55:41.920
This did happen though in a book I was reading recently,

1000
00:55:41.960 --> 00:55:44.119
and it was very sad because it was this what

1001
00:55:44.239 --> 00:55:48.000
this girl's best friend died and she wanted her to

1002
00:55:48.039 --> 00:55:51.400
come back so bad and she decided not to that

1003
00:55:51.480 --> 00:55:54.440
she wanted to die, but then the girl brought her

1004
00:55:54.480 --> 00:55:57.360
back anyway, I don't know, and then she was very

1005
00:55:57.599 --> 00:56:00.400
not happy with her life. Yeah, I'm not going to

1006
00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:04.800
say what happens. There's one thing people experience, and it's

1007
00:56:04.840 --> 00:56:08.599
not very common. It's kind of it's like nine percent

1008
00:56:08.719 --> 00:56:13.679
in this report, but they experience a life review. Oh,

1009
00:56:13.719 --> 00:56:19.599
and they think it's it happens when it's unexpected, a

1010
00:56:19.719 --> 00:56:23.599
very sudden like a heart attack or just something very

1011
00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:27.239
unexpected happens. Is when you go into the life review.

1012
00:56:27.320 --> 00:56:30.159
That's what they think interesting. And it's kind of like

1013
00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:32.360
it play it literally is what it sounds like. It

1014
00:56:32.559 --> 00:56:35.920
like it plays scenes from your entire life, like in

1015
00:56:36.320 --> 00:56:41.880
chronological order. Oh. It kind of like makes you like evaluate.

1016
00:56:41.360 --> 00:56:44.960
Review your life like it's what it sounds like, life review.

1017
00:56:45.239 --> 00:56:49.599
That's so interesting. And I really don't know why. Maybe

1018
00:56:49.599 --> 00:56:52.079
it's just so you come back with like some perspective

1019
00:56:52.280 --> 00:56:55.480
on your life and like maybe things to change. And yeah,

1020
00:56:55.639 --> 00:56:58.639
and that does happen, you know. Most people report like

1021
00:56:58.800 --> 00:57:03.719
they do change their change their life after Yeah, they

1022
00:57:03.880 --> 00:57:09.280
appreciate things more, you know. Yeah, just gives you, I think,

1023
00:57:10.519 --> 00:57:12.360
I don't know, just like a sense of peace about life.

1024
00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:14.159
That's how I feel about it anyway.

1025
00:57:14.599 --> 00:57:16.880
Yeah, And I guess it could just definitely depend on

1026
00:57:16.960 --> 00:57:18.920
like your religion though for sure.

1027
00:57:19.360 --> 00:57:23.159
I feel like that's got to be very individual. And

1028
00:57:23.239 --> 00:57:25.199
like the lack of fear of death is a very

1029
00:57:25.239 --> 00:57:28.320
common thing too after experiences. I think I said that earlier,

1030
00:57:28.360 --> 00:57:34.360
but just in case they didn't. So they're saying they

1031
00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:37.599
don't really have they have an explanation maybe for stage one,

1032
00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:41.000
but they don't. They really don't have any explanations for

1033
00:57:41.119 --> 00:57:44.639
any of the stages after that follow Yeah, okay, like

1034
00:57:44.679 --> 00:57:46.960
the out of body, the light of the tunnel, like

1035
00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:50.360
seeing I can see that, the meadow, seeing God, they

1036
00:57:50.360 --> 00:57:53.039
really don't know. They don't know if it's your brain

1037
00:57:53.719 --> 00:58:00.920
just firing its last you know, hallucinations, right, dreams, I

1038
00:58:00.920 --> 00:58:04.840
don't know, Yah, it's passing away. There needs to be

1039
00:58:04.920 --> 00:58:07.199
just more studies on this. I think it's so interesting,

1040
00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:11.000
but like it kind of impossible to study really because

1041
00:58:11.039 --> 00:58:12.880
you don't know when someone's about to have a near

1042
00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:15.719
death experience. Obviously, you can't talk to people who haven't

1043
00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:20.039
come back from them. Hard to do. And it's like hearsay,

1044
00:58:20.199 --> 00:58:23.639
like you can't prove it other than like.

1045
00:58:24.039 --> 00:58:26.599
The people who have out of body and like see

1046
00:58:26.639 --> 00:58:29.119
details of that's right, the only like that thing you

1047
00:58:29.159 --> 00:58:32.199
can prove really, Yeah, And they feel like to a

1048
00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:35.679
certain degree it's like it. I think the argument could

1049
00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:40.119
be that it's like is that necessarily conclusive proof or

1050
00:58:40.239 --> 00:58:44.159
is that kind of like, is that really more categorized

1051
00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:50.679
as evidence of something? It doesn't maybe conclusively prove anything,

1052
00:58:50.840 --> 00:58:55.360
but it seems like really strong evidence or Yeah, I

1053
00:58:55.360 --> 00:58:57.639
feel like that's tough because I think we think of

1054
00:58:58.320 --> 00:58:59.960
things that are proof.

1055
00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:05.719
But evidence is proof, right, I don't know. Like I said,

1056
00:59:05.719 --> 00:59:13.159
we're not scientists, we're remote because we had to finish

1057
00:59:13.239 --> 00:59:16.519
up different day. So yeah, we're here doing taro for

1058
00:59:16.760 --> 00:59:21.599
the near death experiences or indies for sure. I don't

1059
00:59:21.599 --> 00:59:24.639
know if we even talked about that. Indies if you're nicety.

1060
00:59:24.559 --> 00:59:28.880
Yeah, indies if you're nice day or if you got

1061
00:59:28.920 --> 00:59:34.000
really sucked into that show the OA oh during COVID.

1062
00:59:34.199 --> 00:59:38.519
Hey you can't really see my altar too well behind me.

1063
00:59:38.599 --> 00:59:41.360
But I have a little fun headstone I just got

1064
00:59:41.400 --> 00:59:44.880
that says literally dead, and I thought that that worked

1065
00:59:44.880 --> 00:59:48.920
perfectly for this episode. It's so perfect because he can't

1066
00:59:49.039 --> 00:59:51.599
use this for like a true crime episode because that

1067
00:59:51.719 --> 00:59:53.400
is insensitive as fuck.

1068
00:59:53.800 --> 00:59:56.239
It's not great. It wouldn't be great for that. No

1069
00:59:56.679 --> 00:59:58.760
kind of funny when you're talking about near death and

1070
00:59:58.840 --> 01:00:02.320
your coming back from the because you were literally dead

1071
01:00:03.079 --> 01:00:06.320
and I was not. So it's still funny, and so

1072
01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:09.159
the tarot deck reason today I keep moving my head

1073
01:00:09.159 --> 01:00:12.239
from the microphone. It is Christina Ricci's.

1074
01:00:11.840 --> 01:00:16.639
Tarot deck called Cat full of Spiders, and my mom

1075
01:00:16.679 --> 01:00:18.880
got it for me for my birthday, I think my

1076
01:00:18.920 --> 01:00:21.760
birth Yeah, my birthday, I think whatever. My mom got

1077
01:00:21.800 --> 01:00:24.320
it for me at some point I may and I

1078
01:00:24.320 --> 01:00:25.960
thought it was kind of funny to use too for

1079
01:00:26.039 --> 01:00:29.000
the near death experiences because cats have like nine lives and.

1080
01:00:29.239 --> 01:00:32.679
You know, it's perfect. Yeah. I don't know if Christina

1081
01:00:32.760 --> 01:00:35.280
Ricci has ever had an indeed, maybe we should ask her.

1082
01:00:35.440 --> 01:00:37.880
Yeah, okay, so the next time I call her, I

1083
01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:39.440
will just all all ask.

1084
01:00:39.519 --> 01:00:41.440
I did Tiger in the story that I just made,

1085
01:00:41.480 --> 01:00:44.679
So maybe she'll see it and want to become besties.

1086
01:00:45.480 --> 01:00:49.400
That'd be great. We're using her tarot deck, yeah, because

1087
01:00:49.400 --> 01:00:53.719
we love her. Girl. Okay, So what I did earlier

1088
01:00:53.760 --> 01:00:55.599
is I haven't used this deck, so I kind of

1089
01:00:55.639 --> 01:00:56.320
like spread it.

1090
01:00:56.400 --> 01:00:58.360
You can see I like, oh yeah, I did the

1091
01:00:59.360 --> 01:01:03.239
all the spread. I just spread it all out and

1092
01:01:03.760 --> 01:01:05.760
you know, put it back together. So the cards are

1093
01:01:05.840 --> 01:01:09.760
real mixed up. They're all wonky donkey, they're like up

1094
01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:11.239
and down in sideways.

1095
01:01:11.559 --> 01:01:15.440
Yeah. I love that for us. I'm gonna I'm gonna

1096
01:01:15.440 --> 01:01:20.199
make them all go into a normal deck state and

1097
01:01:20.239 --> 01:01:26.760
then shuffle them. Alrighty, and they've been sitting on selenite. Nice.

1098
01:01:28.519 --> 01:01:31.599
Did I tell you that I put my laboo boo

1099
01:01:31.800 --> 01:01:38.039
on my selenite lamp in our bedroom? That's so cute. Yeah,

1100
01:01:38.079 --> 01:01:40.920
I hung my labooboo. Do we say I got a

1101
01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:41.639
la booo yet?

1102
01:01:41.679 --> 01:01:46.239
Spoiler? Because we did it. We did a Patreon bonus.

1103
01:01:46.360 --> 01:01:48.199
And I don't remember if we mentioned it in this

1104
01:01:48.440 --> 01:01:51.000
episode because it was like two days ago and that

1105
01:01:51.079 --> 01:01:52.280
was a long time ago.

1106
01:01:52.360 --> 01:01:55.960
But it was months ago. My labooo on my lamp,

1107
01:01:56.440 --> 01:01:58.960
not my Selenite lamp, but just my normal lamp. Like

1108
01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:02.159
where the the string as you pull it, there's a cord,

1109
01:02:02.800 --> 01:02:04.519
and so I hung it there and he just looks

1110
01:02:04.519 --> 01:02:08.920
so cute. I love it. Oh, it's a real stiff deck.

1111
01:02:09.400 --> 01:02:12.199
It's a real stiff yet. That's how we like it.

1112
01:02:14.639 --> 01:02:19.960
So we're picking a card for near death experiences cassies

1113
01:02:20.159 --> 01:02:23.880
or anybody else. Yeah, you didn't actually have one. She

1114
01:02:24.039 --> 01:02:25.519
just thought she did.

1115
01:02:26.280 --> 01:02:28.840
Hey, if it's real to you in the moment, I

1116
01:02:28.880 --> 01:02:30.719
think like that's all that matters.

1117
01:02:31.280 --> 01:02:33.679
Yeah, it's my party I'll die if I want to.

1118
01:02:34.440 --> 01:02:39.000
Oh love that for you. Do you have any feelings?

1119
01:02:40.280 --> 01:02:44.480
I feel I as usual, feel like it's going to

1120
01:02:44.559 --> 01:02:48.119
be somewhere kind of maybe just to the left of center.

1121
01:02:48.280 --> 01:02:50.840
Ish. This feeling was like popping out.

1122
01:02:51.079 --> 01:02:53.639
Yeah, it's like kind of center e. But it was like,

1123
01:02:53.800 --> 01:02:55.119
it feels like it wants to come out.

1124
01:02:55.119 --> 01:02:59.519
So let's see what it is. Ooh okay, we got christmasy,

1125
01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:02.360
we got a ton of pentacles and it was in reverse.

1126
01:03:03.079 --> 01:03:08.000
Oh okay, interesting this card that's kind of funny. And

1127
01:03:08.039 --> 01:03:10.360
we have a little interpretation book. I don't know what's

1128
01:03:10.400 --> 01:03:12.800
in it yet, so we're gonna find out together. I

1129
01:03:12.800 --> 01:03:14.400
don't know if it's just basic or if.

1130
01:03:14.239 --> 01:03:17.199
It's special things, if it has any info on Christina

1131
01:03:17.280 --> 01:03:19.239
Ricci and the card and the scene.

1132
01:03:19.320 --> 01:03:22.320
I don't know. I love that. I'm going to read

1133
01:03:22.360 --> 01:03:25.440
it upright and in reverse because they do look like

1134
01:03:25.480 --> 01:03:30.679
they have interesting little interpretations here. Okay, so upright says

1135
01:03:30.880 --> 01:03:40.039
happy as a kid on Christmas. You're feeling not preposterous prosperous? Yes,

1136
01:03:40.079 --> 01:03:40.480
thank you.

1137
01:03:42.719 --> 01:03:46.880
I was just guessing it's prosperous. Yeah, my brain was

1138
01:03:46.920 --> 01:03:52.960
like preposterous prosperous is preposterous. It's because the idea of

1139
01:03:53.119 --> 01:03:56.840
prosperity in the current era is just.

1140
01:03:56.880 --> 01:04:02.960
So preposterous Forredian slips. Is that what you call that? Yes,

1141
01:04:03.079 --> 01:04:06.639
that is one thousand percent what you call that. Okay,

1142
01:04:06.679 --> 01:04:09.039
so you're happy as a kid on Christmas. You're feeling

1143
01:04:09.519 --> 01:04:13.880
prosperous and grateful. You've been good all year and are

1144
01:04:14.239 --> 01:04:17.679
being rewarded for your efforts. Share your abundance with those

1145
01:04:17.719 --> 01:04:20.519
who helped you get where you are today. A thankful

1146
01:04:20.559 --> 01:04:22.760
heart attracts good fortune.

1147
01:04:23.360 --> 01:04:28.440
Oh and so the reverse says, outwardly, life seems perfect,

1148
01:04:28.559 --> 01:04:31.559
but it really isn't. Oh but is it really a

1149
01:04:31.639 --> 01:04:34.599
question mark? That was a question, not a statement. Yeah,

1150
01:04:34.599 --> 01:04:37.880
but it really isn't. You know, but it like really isn't?

1151
01:04:38.119 --> 01:04:38.519
Or wait?

1152
01:04:38.639 --> 01:04:42.920
Is it is discontent creeping in through the corners of

1153
01:04:42.960 --> 01:04:48.480
your life, like worrying factions spilling into the artificial utopic

1154
01:04:48.719 --> 01:04:52.280
town of Valley Port. That must be a very specific

1155
01:04:52.400 --> 01:04:54.920
reference to a movie or something that I don't understand.

1156
01:04:56.280 --> 01:04:59.480
It doesn't bring a bell for me either. Apologies, let

1157
01:04:59.599 --> 01:05:01.000
us know if you know what it is. We'd love

1158
01:05:01.119 --> 01:05:04.599
free to comment and tell us. Yeah, like, how dumb

1159
01:05:04.639 --> 01:05:08.360
we are for not knowing, Hey, no, I'm a smurty pants.

1160
01:05:08.880 --> 01:05:11.840
You're feeling unfulfilled by your cookie cutter life and are

1161
01:05:11.880 --> 01:05:18.000
afraid to speak up out of fear of disappointing others. Uh,

1162
01:05:18.079 --> 01:05:21.360
give yourself permission to break the status quo and find

1163
01:05:21.360 --> 01:05:24.079
what truly makes you happy. I think this totally fits

1164
01:05:24.079 --> 01:05:27.639
in with the episode. It totally does, yeah, because it's

1165
01:05:27.679 --> 01:05:29.840
kind of like what I was feeling. You know, I've

1166
01:05:29.920 --> 01:05:33.320
been yeah, I mean we've talked, we kind of talked

1167
01:05:33.320 --> 01:05:35.440
about it in the past. I've not always wanted to

1168
01:05:35.480 --> 01:05:38.760
particularly live on this planet. Yeah, I'm in therapy and

1169
01:05:38.800 --> 01:05:41.440
I'm fine now, but like you know, you always have

1170
01:05:41.519 --> 01:05:42.880
that thought in the back of your mind, like man,

1171
01:05:42.920 --> 01:05:45.880
it would be just like so much easier, yeah yeah,

1172
01:05:46.000 --> 01:05:48.599
or like, well things are getting boring here, like oh

1173
01:05:48.679 --> 01:05:49.719
yeah yeah.

1174
01:05:49.760 --> 01:05:51.719
And then you know, every time you think you feel

1175
01:05:51.719 --> 01:05:56.000
a little bit better, I find personally recently that the

1176
01:05:56.159 --> 01:05:59.360
planet is like, oh, you're you're thinking about sticking around.

1177
01:05:59.679 --> 01:06:04.559
Oh cool, hold my beer because I've got something else

1178
01:06:04.639 --> 01:06:05.440
for you.

1179
01:06:05.559 --> 01:06:09.760
Literally, So I feel like that's kind of like, you know,

1180
01:06:09.840 --> 01:06:11.639
how I was feeling. And then I was sort of

1181
01:06:11.719 --> 01:06:17.159
faced with this first stage of death basically and realized,

1182
01:06:17.519 --> 01:06:21.280
you know, I'm good here kind of like the upright

1183
01:06:21.360 --> 01:06:24.320
version of the card like happy as a kid on Christmas,

1184
01:06:24.400 --> 01:06:27.440
feeling grateful, so ton of pentacles.

1185
01:06:27.480 --> 01:06:38.360
Our keywords are abundance, fulfillment, inheritance that's interesting, good fortune, property,

1186
01:06:38.840 --> 01:06:44.400
and family resources. The card has connections with family, especially

1187
01:06:44.719 --> 01:06:50.400
family money and property, but also the legacy of inherited

1188
01:06:50.519 --> 01:06:54.760
resources such as good health, intelligence, cultural benefits, etc.

1189
01:06:55.719 --> 01:06:58.079
Which like just kind of I don't know. To me,

1190
01:06:58.239 --> 01:06:59.519
I'm like maybe I'm reaching.

1191
01:06:59.639 --> 01:07:04.239
But when you think about having a near death experience

1192
01:07:04.400 --> 01:07:08.079
or someone passing, it's like the next thing that comes

1193
01:07:08.199 --> 01:07:11.039
up is like, okay, everybody, we got to read the will.

1194
01:07:11.880 --> 01:07:15.280
Oh yeah, yeah that's true.

1195
01:07:15.519 --> 01:07:20.039
You have plenty and can now share your riches with others.

1196
01:07:20.679 --> 01:07:23.039
Oh that could be. That does remind me though of

1197
01:07:24.199 --> 01:07:26.719
like you have plenty, you can share your riches with others,

1198
01:07:26.760 --> 01:07:28.920
Like you can share your gratefulness. You can share your

1199
01:07:28.960 --> 01:07:31.519
story of your near death experience and maybe you know

1200
01:07:31.599 --> 01:07:34.840
someone else will also be more grateful for their life

1201
01:07:34.920 --> 01:07:36.760
or yeah something like that.

1202
01:07:37.159 --> 01:07:42.000
Yeah, people's stories can be really transformative, like even just

1203
01:07:42.079 --> 01:07:45.639
for people that are kind of hearing about them. In hindsight,

1204
01:07:46.079 --> 01:07:51.760
you know reflecting on that, I mean personally for the individual,

1205
01:07:51.840 --> 01:07:54.760
I think it obviously can be really transformative for them,

1206
01:07:55.280 --> 01:07:58.519
but even for as a third party, I guess is

1207
01:07:58.800 --> 01:08:04.280
what I'm saying. But okay, so a reverse interpretation, you

1208
01:08:04.360 --> 01:08:07.719
may be so established at this point that you're stagnating.

1209
01:08:08.360 --> 01:08:12.239
Maybe you've retired comfortably and now just sit around watching TV.

1210
01:08:13.480 --> 01:08:17.520
The reverse ten of pentacles can indicate problems with family members,

1211
01:08:18.039 --> 01:08:24.119
perhaps frustration, disagreements or responsibilities regarding a family business, property,

1212
01:08:24.279 --> 01:08:26.359
or inheritance.

1213
01:08:28.920 --> 01:08:31.960
Well, because if it's a near death experience, you're like, oh,

1214
01:08:32.000 --> 01:08:33.840
this person almost died. I'm not going to get their

1215
01:08:33.880 --> 01:08:35.079
inheritance because it came back.

1216
01:08:36.920 --> 01:08:40.600
I mean you still will eventually, right, eventually, Yeah, everybody dies,

1217
01:08:41.239 --> 01:08:45.760
just not today. Get over yourself. It's not your money yet.

1218
01:08:46.279 --> 01:08:49.479
In a reading about money, the reverse ten can represent

1219
01:08:49.640 --> 01:08:53.439
losses or debt, which may be related to family troubles

1220
01:08:53.560 --> 01:08:57.039
or obligations. The debt is funny because the first thing

1221
01:08:57.079 --> 01:08:59.239
I thought when I woke up was a little like, dang.

1222
01:08:59.039 --> 01:09:03.760
I got him a bills. That's so true.

1223
01:09:03.800 --> 01:09:06.680
I remember you saying that, and I was like, yes,

1224
01:09:06.960 --> 01:09:08.520
but also you're alive.

1225
01:09:10.640 --> 01:09:14.760
That's my biggest worry, I'm okay, oh my god.

1226
01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:18.479
Or it can mean you don't inherit as much as

1227
01:09:18.520 --> 01:09:22.199
you'd expect it. Well, that's pretty much part for the course.

1228
01:09:22.239 --> 01:09:25.960
I feel like covered that it's lining up with real

1229
01:09:26.000 --> 01:09:33.760
life family feuds over money slash property are possible, which

1230
01:09:33.760 --> 01:09:36.439
is definitely Again, it just goes to like the reading

1231
01:09:36.479 --> 01:09:38.680
of the will, like that's the vibe I feel like,

1232
01:09:39.279 --> 01:09:41.840
or you know, you were saying like you like be

1233
01:09:41.960 --> 01:09:45.399
prepared for a death, or maybe this will if you

1234
01:09:45.439 --> 01:09:48.399
have a near death experience, then after you'll be like, Okay, I.

1235
01:09:48.359 --> 01:09:51.640
Gotta get like my shit and order. I gotta get

1236
01:09:51.640 --> 01:09:54.920
my affairs in order. That's what exactly, Yes, get my

1237
01:09:55.000 --> 01:09:56.520
affairs an order. I love it.

1238
01:09:58.760 --> 01:10:02.880
This card can also point to fluctuations in the marketplace

1239
01:10:03.000 --> 01:10:06.359
or real estate values that threaten your security.

1240
01:10:08.479 --> 01:10:12.920
Joke's on you. I don't got none of that that

1241
01:10:13.479 --> 01:10:16.439
it's not applicable in this situation. Yeah yeah, yeah, I

1242
01:10:16.479 --> 01:10:19.640
mean I'm sure it applies to other people. That's fine, whatever.

1243
01:10:19.920 --> 01:10:28.359
What what's it like to own property? If the reading

1244
01:10:28.439 --> 01:10:30.880
is about your job, you may not be using your

1245
01:10:30.960 --> 01:10:34.680
resources and abilities fully, or you may not receive the

1246
01:10:34.760 --> 01:10:40.680
compensation and success you feel you deserve a business, perhaps

1247
01:10:40.680 --> 01:10:45.359
a family operation may hit hard times. Sometimes this card

1248
01:10:45.439 --> 01:10:49.199
shows you rejecting the material world for the spiritual one.

1249
01:10:49.720 --> 01:10:53.680
Oh yeah, that seems like a huge thing. People kind

1250
01:10:53.680 --> 01:10:57.159
of go through go through this, Yeah, I think so.

1251
01:10:58.920 --> 01:11:01.920
In a reading about love of financial and or family

1252
01:11:01.960 --> 01:11:07.680
problems may cause friction and unhappiness in a relationship. Responsibilities

1253
01:11:07.720 --> 01:11:11.479
for children or elderly parents might place strain on you.

1254
01:11:12.439 --> 01:11:16.279
Emotional baggage and old hurts may interfere with your happiness.

1255
01:11:18.079 --> 01:11:22.720
Let that shit go, man, doesn't matter. Do what makes

1256
01:11:22.760 --> 01:11:27.079
you happy. That's what I'm doing, not paying my bills

1257
01:11:27.079 --> 01:11:28.760
and just doing what makes me happy. That's what I've

1258
01:11:28.840 --> 01:11:29.800
learned from this experience.

1259
01:11:31.560 --> 01:11:34.399
Yeah, I love that that was your number one worry

1260
01:11:34.479 --> 01:11:37.000
when you came to and now you're like, ah.

1261
01:11:36.840 --> 01:11:41.800
Fuck it. I did think it was interesting because she's

1262
01:11:41.920 --> 01:11:44.479
like reaching for the star at the top of the tree,

1263
01:11:44.520 --> 01:11:47.000
and like the star is usually lit up, you know,

1264
01:11:47.800 --> 01:11:52.039
she's reaching for the light. Oh that could be a stretch.

1265
01:11:52.319 --> 01:11:54.720
Oh you know they kind of did, Okay, this is

1266
01:11:54.960 --> 01:11:57.840
this is interesting because they did kind of you know,

1267
01:11:57.920 --> 01:12:02.560
like the tunnel, the darkness, the void. No, I think

1268
01:12:02.600 --> 01:12:05.920
the imagery is there, like You're so right, And they

1269
01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:08.640
kind of described it as a funnel sometimes, like a

1270
01:12:08.680 --> 01:12:10.079
funnel going into the light.

1271
01:12:10.439 --> 01:12:15.119
That's kind of what I'm saying, dude.

1272
01:12:15.279 --> 01:12:21.600
I there, Well, wow, this has me really reflecting on

1273
01:12:21.680 --> 01:12:23.560
the holiday season in a different way.

1274
01:12:25.279 --> 01:12:29.399
Christmas equals death. That that is true, though, don't people

1275
01:12:29.520 --> 01:12:33.760
more people die by suicide like during the holidays. I

1276
01:12:33.800 --> 01:12:34.840
think people.

1277
01:12:36.319 --> 01:12:39.920
Like in general around a lot of major holidays, but

1278
01:12:40.000 --> 01:12:43.800
Christmas is a like that time of year because you know,

1279
01:12:43.920 --> 01:12:50.520
people are impacted by like seasonal depression when you have

1280
01:12:50.600 --> 01:12:54.000
like extended periods of time, like you know kind of

1281
01:12:54.000 --> 01:12:58.159
the depending on where you're at, like regionally and sort

1282
01:12:58.199 --> 01:13:02.880
of your socioeconomic like background and everything, like, you might

1283
01:13:03.000 --> 01:13:08.039
have not even just your immediate family, but you might

1284
01:13:08.079 --> 01:13:11.359
even have like extended family. That's like you guys are

1285
01:13:11.399 --> 01:13:15.520
kind of gathered for you know, a period in like

1286
01:13:15.600 --> 01:13:19.199
the window from like basically Thanksgiving to like New Year's

1287
01:13:19.720 --> 01:13:23.720
and so like it it exacerbates like any sort of

1288
01:13:23.880 --> 01:13:29.399
tension that's there, and that's part of intention like can

1289
01:13:29.479 --> 01:13:33.640
mean a lot of things. But during COVID, there was

1290
01:13:33.720 --> 01:13:37.800
such a spike in domestic violence and like really like

1291
01:13:37.840 --> 01:13:42.039
the worstening of those you know, family and home situations

1292
01:13:42.079 --> 01:13:45.000
because people had no escape from each other.

1293
01:13:45.800 --> 01:13:50.319
Ah, you need a break, and yeah, yeah, exactly, take

1294
01:13:50.439 --> 01:13:52.079
vacations from your vacations.

1295
01:13:52.439 --> 01:13:58.399
Yeah, I'm ready for my next vacation from a vacation.

1296
01:14:00.159 --> 01:14:00.279
Too.

1297
01:14:01.039 --> 01:14:05.760
I'm ready to take a real vacation, I know. Okay,

1298
01:14:05.800 --> 01:14:06.359
we'll get there.

1299
01:14:07.880 --> 01:14:09.880
You got to work first. We got to work first. Okay,

1300
01:14:09.880 --> 01:14:11.600
we can't do the fun things first this time.

1301
01:14:12.039 --> 01:14:17.279
I guess, have we not been working? I felt like

1302
01:14:17.359 --> 01:14:24.640
that's what we were doing more more, Yeah, I've done yet. Okay, well,

1303
01:14:24.680 --> 01:14:26.640
we are kind of done with this episode, I think,

1304
01:14:26.720 --> 01:14:29.760
unless there was any like extra exerpts or anything.

1305
01:14:30.279 --> 01:14:33.399
You know, it's funny you say that, because so this

1306
01:14:33.520 --> 01:14:37.800
is the uh ten of Pentacles, right, and then the

1307
01:14:37.840 --> 01:14:41.319
next page is chapter nine, and that begins the Suit

1308
01:14:41.359 --> 01:14:45.319
of Swords. There is an extra excerpt at like the

1309
01:14:45.359 --> 01:14:49.279
top of this page as it introduces the swords that

1310
01:14:49.399 --> 01:14:51.880
I was like, kind of just as I glanced down

1311
01:14:51.920 --> 01:14:56.399
at sort of like caught my eye. It says life

1312
01:14:56.520 --> 01:15:01.239
is pain. An old Chinese proverb says life is pain.

1313
01:15:02.079 --> 01:15:06.399
Pain makes you think, thinking makes you wise, and wisdom

1314
01:15:06.680 --> 01:15:13.279
makes life endurable. The swords represent this perspective, dude.

1315
01:15:14.239 --> 01:15:15.600
Yeah, I know.

1316
01:15:15.680 --> 01:15:17.880
I was like, I just glanced at it, and I

1317
01:15:17.920 --> 01:15:19.239
was like, oh, that's really interesting.

1318
01:15:19.239 --> 01:15:21.479
And I was like, what are the odds that we drew?

1319
01:15:22.000 --> 01:15:25.159
So here's the thing. What is it? Oh eyebroke. Okay,

1320
01:15:25.199 --> 01:15:27.199
so this is at the bottom that it caught my

1321
01:15:27.239 --> 01:15:31.760
eye too, oh swords, Yeah, because you know it's in

1322
01:15:31.800 --> 01:15:33.479
a cemetery. So I was like, oh, I really like

1323
01:15:33.560 --> 01:15:34.359
that card.

1324
01:15:34.800 --> 01:15:37.600
So the thing is is that, like the Ten of Pentacles,

1325
01:15:37.640 --> 01:15:40.880
it starts on page one twenty seven in this book,

1326
01:15:41.279 --> 01:15:46.640
but the reverse like very neatly, evenly perfectly falls onto

1327
01:15:46.680 --> 01:15:50.159
page like one twenty eight, and then at the very

1328
01:15:50.199 --> 01:15:52.600
bottom of the following pages where it has like the

1329
01:15:52.640 --> 01:15:57.840
intro to Swords, and that little extra excerpt is there

1330
01:15:58.000 --> 01:15:59.880
as part of the intro to Swords. And I was like,

1331
01:16:00.119 --> 01:16:04.720
that's so weird because if we had drawn, if we

1332
01:16:04.720 --> 01:16:07.439
had drawn this card in the upright position, I never

1333
01:16:07.640 --> 01:16:11.399
probably would have looked at that excerpt, because I wouldn't

1334
01:16:11.399 --> 01:16:15.239
have turned over the page and like been settled on

1335
01:16:15.319 --> 01:16:16.960
that and just kind of like scanning.

1336
01:16:17.880 --> 01:16:19.600
Yeah. I like that.

1337
01:16:19.760 --> 01:16:21.880
I like when stuff like that happens because it just

1338
01:16:21.920 --> 01:16:26.640
adds like a little extra thing you weren't expecting, or yeah,

1339
01:16:26.680 --> 01:16:29.920
and it totally fits, like what exactly what we're talking about?

1340
01:16:30.319 --> 01:16:34.279
Yeah, it did, was meant to be, twas meant to be.

1341
01:16:35.319 --> 01:16:37.560
Oh, I didn't even realize I put there's a spider

1342
01:16:37.680 --> 01:16:42.039
on on my headstone here? Oh yeah, the deck I

1343
01:16:42.119 --> 01:16:44.279
used this cap full of spiders.

1344
01:16:44.840 --> 01:16:46.439
Oh would you look at the app?

1345
01:16:47.039 --> 01:16:53.079
You're like, yeah, spider is Oh have a creepy day

1346
01:16:53.920 --> 01:16:58.880
seam next Tuesday, you better not die on this come that?

1347
01:16:59.239 --> 01:17:03.279
Yeah, if you die, come back please either way you're

1348
01:17:03.319 --> 01:17:03.920
coming back.

1349
01:17:05.359 --> 01:17:06.479
You've no choice.

1350
01:17:09.000 --> 01:17:14.319
Anyway. Why did it so well? Anyone else feel like?

1351
01:17:14.319 --> 01:17:15.720
It's hot and panickyan here